:00:12. > :00:17.When it comes to the food on our plates, who can we trust?
:00:17. > :00:22.Can we trust anyone? When schools and hospitals serve
:00:22. > :00:26.beef adulterated with horsemeat. Cottage pies become the latest to
:00:26. > :00:30.fail the horse test. Police raid new premises and new cases are
:00:30. > :00:33.found across Europe. As the Government criticise the
:00:33. > :00:37.supermarkets for not being o. We have Sainsbury's boss here to
:00:37. > :00:43.respond. As tonight as the Lib Dem high
:00:43. > :00:53.command fights to hang on to Chris Huhne's old seat, horsemeat leads
:00:53. > :00:59.to some political points scoring. We had the horsemeat lasagne and
:00:59. > :01:02.tested it and it was 100% Tory. is a box-office smash, even if the
:01:02. > :01:09.singing doesn't do it for everyone. Tonight The Missing Ink director
:01:09. > :01:17.explains how it works. You have the naturalism die oing, and the key
:01:17. > :01:23.change singing, there is a simple point of singing.
:01:23. > :01:27.# If you wondered why I was singing # Why on earth now.
:01:27. > :01:32.Good evening, school meals, hospital food, Westminster and
:01:32. > :01:37.retailers, we don't know how horsemeat began to be passed off as
:01:37. > :01:42.beat, where, or how long it has gone on. Everyone agrees making
:01:42. > :01:47.more money was the motive. In a moment the Sainsbury's boss on how
:01:47. > :01:52.the food industry can begin to build trust. First we have been
:01:52. > :01:57.following the trail from farms to suppliers, via regulators and
:01:57. > :02:01.retailers, to the consumer. Everyone had been waiting for
:02:01. > :02:05.today's first batch of industry- wide test results, to get a feel
:02:05. > :02:10.for how big the horsemeat problem might be. It turned out that all
:02:10. > :02:17.the positives were in projuncts we already knew about. Up until about
:02:17. > :02:22.10.00am, the Food Standards Agency had received 2501 results. 2472
:02:22. > :02:27.were negative. 29 were positive. That means more than 1% of the meat
:02:27. > :02:32.content was horse. Those positive results include different sized
:02:32. > :02:38.portion of the same product. So, in total, we are talking about only
:02:38. > :02:48.seven products. 15 of the positives were on various sizes of packets of
:02:48. > :02:54.Findus beef last sangria. But do the DN -- Lasagne. Do the DNA
:02:54. > :02:58.results reflect the size of the problem. The hotel and catering
:02:58. > :03:06.company, Compass and Whitbread, and Lancashire County Council said they
:03:07. > :03:10.found products positive for horse. Other places are still testing.
:03:10. > :03:14.47self of Lancashires primary schools been sent food with
:03:14. > :03:18.horsemeat. Had children even the the meals that tested positive.
:03:18. > :03:23.sorry to have to say there is no doubt the children have eaten it T
:03:23. > :03:28.that is why I'm so concerned and angry, that the suppliers have done
:03:28. > :03:33.this. We are in exactly the same position as a private individual
:03:33. > :03:38.who goes into the supermarket and buys a Findus lasagne. We are just
:03:38. > :03:40.as angry as those people. It is entirely unacceptable, we found it
:03:40. > :03:43.because we carried out our own tests, they have done something
:03:43. > :03:49.about it. I asked the head of the FSA how
:03:49. > :03:54.parents should react to this news? The advice from the Chief Medical
:03:54. > :04:00.Officer is very clear, there is no need for people to be concerned on
:04:00. > :04:04.any health grounds at all. I think anybody who has eaten something
:04:04. > :04:09.which has been misdescribed to them, or whose child as eaten something
:04:09. > :04:14.that was not what they expected them to be eating has every right
:04:14. > :04:18.to be extremely angry and indignant. You can imagine the scenes, can't
:04:18. > :04:22.you, at the school gate, they will be saying, what do you make of this,
:04:22. > :04:29.our kids have been eating horse. They will be really upset, won't
:04:29. > :04:34.they? It is completely unacceptable. It is completely unacceptable that
:04:34. > :04:37.people are being told that product is beef, when it is horse.
:04:37. > :04:41.They might also, they will presumably be upset with the
:04:41. > :04:44.company that sold that material to the school. But if they know about
:04:44. > :04:48.the Food Standards Agency, they will be probably pretty shocked
:04:48. > :04:52.that you hadn't found that out before? I think they should be
:04:52. > :04:56.reassured that we are now in the process of get to go the bottom of
:04:56. > :04:59.this. From the news yesterday around the result of our
:04:59. > :05:04.investigations and how we are following through, you can see that
:05:04. > :05:07.we are finding out who are responsible for these things. We
:05:07. > :05:10.are taking vigorous measures against them, that will ultimately
:05:10. > :05:17.enable us to get back to the situation that we all know we need
:05:17. > :05:21.to be in. Nothing is more important to us at
:05:21. > :05:26.Tesco than the trust of our customers. Tesco said today it will
:05:26. > :05:30.build a world-class tracability and DNA testing system. In a poll for
:05:30. > :05:34.the Grocer Magazine, of more than 2,000 consumers, half said they
:05:34. > :05:38.weren't prepared to pay a penny more to ensure their meat does not
:05:38. > :05:43.contain horse. The Grocer survey found that consumers are not
:05:43. > :05:46.prepared to pay more money to guarantee that the food they eat is
:05:47. > :05:50.horse-free. What I think that tells us is that consumers think this is
:05:50. > :05:55.the industry's mess, and it is up to the industry to sort it out. And
:05:55. > :05:58.why should they pick up the bill? There are still thousands of test
:05:58. > :06:04.results to come in. They have got through a quarter so far. They
:06:04. > :06:07.asked companies to look at the high-risk products first. So, they
:06:07. > :06:11.think we may have heard the worst of it T they seemed overwhelmed by
:06:12. > :06:15.the volume of data coming in, even at the last minute.
:06:15. > :06:19.Across Europe, countries have withdrawn products found to be
:06:19. > :06:24.contaminated with horsemeat. There appear to be two meat trails, which
:06:24. > :06:28.may have introduced horsemeat into the UK. One involving Romania,
:06:28. > :06:35.France and the Netherlands, the other Poland and Ireland. It
:06:35. > :06:39.remains unclear precisely how the UK fits in. Until recently,
:06:39. > :06:45.Professor Morris was an adviser to the British Horseracing Authority.
:06:45. > :06:49.He told me horses have a passport system, that is supposed to keep
:06:49. > :06:56.veterinary medicines, like bute, out of the food chain. Yesterday it
:06:56. > :07:00.confirmed that bute has been found in a small number of horse
:07:00. > :07:04.carcasses for food. The principle is drugs shouldn't be in food. The
:07:04. > :07:09.point of the masses of paperwork, instructions to owners, signing
:07:09. > :07:13.horses out of the food chain if they do have bute, is to protect
:07:13. > :07:18.consumers. It is a marker that the system isn't working. I think that
:07:18. > :07:25.consumers can be reassured that in this particular instance, there
:07:25. > :07:28.isn't a food safety issue, it is a wake-up call. Meanwhile the
:07:28. > :07:32.criminal investigations continue. Three premises, two in North London,
:07:32. > :07:35.one in Hull have been raided. There have been three arrests in Wales
:07:35. > :07:40.and Yorkshire. With me is King, the chief
:07:40. > :07:45.executive of Sainsbury's. None of whose meat is so far shown to
:07:45. > :07:48.contain horsemeat. Although, only a quarter of beef products have been
:07:49. > :07:52.tested. You are not out of the woods yet? I don't think anyone can
:07:52. > :07:55.say they are out of the woods. As it happens in Sainsbury's, we are
:07:55. > :07:59.three-quarters of the way through our testing. Indeed it is one of
:07:59. > :08:03.the reasons I'm able to talk to you tonight. We have done around 200 of
:08:03. > :08:06.the, nearly 300 products we have to do. Nobody can say they are out of
:08:06. > :08:09.the woods. There is a long way to go before we can truly say we
:08:09. > :08:13.understand how this came about, and therefore, what we need to do
:08:13. > :08:17.differently going forward. You say a long way to go. The fact is, we
:08:17. > :08:22.are one month into this, since the stories first started to emerge.
:08:22. > :08:26.Help us understand why it is at this point we don't know how
:08:26. > :08:29.extensive this is, how long it has been going on for, and how the
:08:29. > :08:36.horsemeat got into the products in the first place? We are in the
:08:36. > :08:40.middle of the biggest set of tests ever done, DNA tests on beef. The
:08:40. > :08:44.first discovery in Ireland was in the middle of January. Most
:08:44. > :08:48.retailers, ourselves included, started a testing process
:08:48. > :08:52.immediately after that. One of the reassuring things about today's
:08:52. > :08:58.news, is of the thousands or so tests back from grocery retailers,
:08:58. > :09:01.there is no new news. The five grocery products known to contain
:09:01. > :09:04.horsemeat have already been announced. We have new news is food
:09:04. > :09:10.service, and as we heard earlier, some schools. There is still more
:09:10. > :09:13.to find out, as you heard from the FSA. He there is some reassurance
:09:13. > :09:16.in today's data that we are starting to get to the end of the
:09:16. > :09:21.bad news. Before all of this, having a look at your website, you
:09:21. > :09:26.have clearly put a lot of emphasis on tracability. You talk about how
:09:26. > :09:31.a secure, traceable supply chain, a British supply chain is the key to
:09:31. > :09:35.consumer confidence. I wonder if you feel why is it your job to
:09:35. > :09:38.assure the consumers in that way. We have all sorts of other bodies
:09:38. > :09:42.and regulatory frameworks that are supposed to be playing a role on
:09:42. > :09:47.this. Is it their job our your's? It is our job, we value our brand,
:09:47. > :09:52.we have been delivering safe food to our customers since 1869. That
:09:52. > :09:57.was how Sainsbury's was founded, on the back of a milk food scare in
:09:57. > :10:01.the mid-Victorian era. What is the Food Standards Agency for if it is
:10:01. > :10:04.your job to do all the testing and police yourselves? You have to have
:10:04. > :10:07.a police force in any system, of course you do. Not everybody values
:10:07. > :10:10.their brand as highly as Sainsbury's does. We have to
:10:10. > :10:14.reassure our customer, we take responsibility for that. That is
:10:14. > :10:17.why I think we have been a little bit ahead of the curve in this. The
:10:17. > :10:21.Food Standards Agency have a role to look much more widely, and the
:10:21. > :10:26.role that they will play is they will weave together the bits of
:10:26. > :10:30.information that they have, it does seem, at the moment, that horse has
:10:30. > :10:33.entered the food supply chain outside of the UK. You mentioned
:10:33. > :10:37.our beef in our ready meals is only sourced in the UK, that is probably
:10:37. > :10:42.one of the reasons why we have not had this issue so far. Is the
:10:42. > :10:45.police force not working as it should? The fact is, it may not be
:10:45. > :10:49.in Sainsbury's products as far as we know. But it is still out there.
:10:49. > :10:53.Who is makes the mistakes? As I understand it, the Food Standards
:10:53. > :10:57.Agency have not tests for horse DNA for eight or nine years. It is not
:10:57. > :11:02.a safety issue. Therefore, their focus has been on safety-related
:11:02. > :11:05.issues. The question is whether it was possible for them to have
:11:05. > :11:08.better evidence earlier, that would have allowed them to target.
:11:09. > :11:12.it? I don't think we know. Over the next month or so, as we become
:11:12. > :11:15.clearer on where this got into the food chain, it will be legitimate
:11:15. > :11:18.then to ask, could we have seen it coming sooner. What are you going
:11:18. > :11:23.to do in the future, have you stepped up the amount of testing
:11:23. > :11:26.that you plan to do in general, beyond this crisis. Will you be
:11:26. > :11:30.testing for more possible contaminants, for instance? We are
:11:30. > :11:34.in the middle of a major step up, as we have already described. DNA
:11:34. > :11:38.testing is part of the normal testing of the supply chain, we
:11:38. > :11:43.require that of the suppliers too. We test for country of origin, we
:11:43. > :11:47.test and we do for whether meat in particular has been previously
:11:47. > :11:51.frozen all of these things provide a safety net. For anyone to say
:11:51. > :11:57.they will not do anything different in the future loob fool hard yo. We
:11:57. > :12:02.have to look at what this -- will be foolhardy. We have to look at
:12:02. > :12:06.what will happen in future. Your emphasis is on British, is
:12:06. > :12:12.that because you acknowledge that it is much harder, if possible to
:12:12. > :12:17.have the same level of confidence in a supply chain generated abroad?
:12:17. > :12:20.That is not our emphasise on British, our emphasis on British is
:12:21. > :12:25.that is what customers expect. They expect the food to come as close to
:12:25. > :12:29.home as possible. We all eat food from all around the world .0% of
:12:29. > :12:33.what we sell in Sainsbury's is sourced in the UK. Our customers
:12:33. > :12:37.have been clear to us, if you can source it in the UK you should.
:12:37. > :12:43.That has always been our policy S You know what people say about the
:12:43. > :12:48.supermarkets in general. It is the drive for cheaper food that is
:12:48. > :12:55.pushing the search for cheaper meat outside the UK. That is why there
:12:55. > :12:58.is more and more non-British meat endering the food chain? People
:12:58. > :13:01.have to ask themselves whether or not the shop they go to has meat
:13:01. > :13:04.from the UK. There are no differences, I would say this of
:13:04. > :13:07.Sainsbury's, of course, I believe this to be true of the whole of the
:13:07. > :13:10.grocery supermarkets in the UK, there are no differences in the
:13:10. > :13:14.safety approach that supermarkets take for the cheapest food that
:13:14. > :13:19.they sell, the most affordable food they sell, and the more expensive.
:13:19. > :13:22.Safety is an absolute. Even when it originates abroad, you can't go
:13:22. > :13:27.checking on a supply that originates abroad than one in the
:13:27. > :13:30.UK? You can, but safety is an absolute. The issue here is an
:13:30. > :13:34.ingredient that is in our food supply chain, that is not a safety
:13:34. > :13:38.issue. But it shouldn't be there. What is on the packet, what it says
:13:38. > :13:41.the ingredients are, should always be what it says on the tin. And the
:13:41. > :13:46.issue here is that we have found that meat has got into the food
:13:46. > :13:50.supply chain. As I said earlier, probably overseas. It then has led
:13:50. > :13:53.to people misleading customers. That is unacceptable, even if there
:13:53. > :13:57.was only one instance of that. did you feel when the Government
:13:57. > :13:59.started to come out today and really put the focus on
:13:59. > :14:02.supermarkets, saying essentially that the industry, your industry
:14:02. > :14:06.should have been a lot more open in the first place, and you should
:14:06. > :14:11.have been doing media interviews, like this one, from day one to try
:14:11. > :14:15.to reassure people. You are only really starting to do it now?
:14:15. > :14:18.conversation was premature, we knew and have known since the meeting of
:14:18. > :14:21.the industry in Government last Saturday, that there were going to
:14:21. > :14:25.be significant numbers of tests coming out today. I'm doing this
:14:25. > :14:28.interview now, because it is the first possible moment I could have
:14:28. > :14:34.done that interview. We had 150 tests coming in today, bringing the
:14:34. > :14:38.total to just short of 200. Some about 7.00pm. It was unfair of that
:14:38. > :14:42.suggestion to come out today? we had was a pregnant pause ahead
:14:42. > :14:45.of this news. Nobody knew what was going to come out today. Today's
:14:45. > :14:49.news story, ahead of the news coming out was who was going to say
:14:49. > :14:52.what. I hope on behalf of Sainsbury's I can provide
:14:52. > :14:56.reassurance through doing this interview, but also, the industry
:14:56. > :14:59.has started to demonstrate that it is prepared to take its absolute
:14:59. > :15:03.responsibility on this. Other chief executives have spoken to me too.
:15:03. > :15:08.I'm sure you have seen the same poll that we have been looking at
:15:08. > :15:12.from the Grocer. Many consumers feel this is the tip of the iceberg
:15:12. > :15:15.about finding out about our food. As you look at it, how big a crisis
:15:15. > :15:19.do you think your industry is in? don't think it is the tip of an
:15:19. > :15:23.iceberg. As I said, there are encouraging signs from today's test
:15:23. > :15:27.that is we are starting to get to the bottom of this particular issue.
:15:27. > :15:31.More widely, the Ishikawa uis what it says on the tin in the tin, we
:15:31. > :15:37.can be very confident that the answer to that is, yes. We in
:15:37. > :15:41.Sainsbury's have a huge testing programme. We have 250-odd people
:15:41. > :15:45.whose job is to test products, the raw materials, the product
:15:45. > :15:49.delivered to warehouse, and we buy product to test it too, as
:15:49. > :15:53.customers do. Most in the industry would say something similar. We go
:15:53. > :15:56.to great lengths to ensure our food is what we expect it to be. Trust
:15:56. > :16:02.is the score of our businesses, without trust we don't have
:16:02. > :16:06.customers, we understand that and work hard to win it. Are you going
:16:06. > :16:12.to do what Tesco's is doing, a world class specific website, you
:16:12. > :16:17.can look exactly where they are on DNA testing? I'm not sure about the
:16:17. > :16:20.website, we already do the most testing of any people in the
:16:20. > :16:25.industry. The reason why we have the highest level of trust for food
:16:25. > :16:28.by our customers, is our customers know it is this the way of
:16:28. > :16:38.Sainsbury's doing business for many years. We will have to step up, but
:16:38. > :16:45.we also have a proud record on this already. Still to come:
:16:45. > :16:49.The director of Les Mis on when not to burst into song.
:16:49. > :16:53.Could the future of the coalition be decided by a small town in
:16:53. > :16:57.Hampshire. The voters in Eastleigh are being closely fought over with
:16:57. > :16:59.less than two weeks to go before the by-election sparked by Chris
:16:59. > :17:03.Huhne's resignation. The Conservatives are hoping to snatch
:17:03. > :17:08.the seat away from the Lib Dems, Labour is hoping the suggestion it
:17:08. > :17:17.could bring back the 10p tax rate will help it breakthrough. UKIP are
:17:17. > :17:22.in the hunt also. Learning a new skill on a Thursday
:17:22. > :17:26.night in February, when the memory of new year's resolutions still nag,
:17:26. > :17:30.some therapeutic exercise, but while all inside is tranquil, the
:17:30. > :17:34.moment they leave this room, these women can expect to walk into the
:17:34. > :17:37.brutish machinery of a British by- election. It is Eastleigh, supposed
:17:37. > :17:41.to be one NUT cracker of a by- election.
:17:41. > :17:45.-- nut cracker of a by-election. This by-election is the first of
:17:45. > :17:50.the parliament that pits the two coalition partners against each
:17:50. > :17:54.other. For that reason, many see it as last Tango, probably so
:17:54. > :17:58.acrimonious they couldn't work together afterwards. So far so
:17:58. > :18:02.disappointing. They have strecheded every sinew to make sure it is
:18:02. > :18:07.quite a gentile affair. But there are two weeks left. This by-
:18:07. > :18:13.election matters for both the port and starboard side of the coalition.
:18:13. > :18:18.The Conservatives are placed second to the Lib Dems, thanks to votes
:18:18. > :18:22.froms like this here. To get majority in 2015, the Tories need
:18:22. > :18:25.20 seats off Lib Dem colleagues. Eastleigh is one such seat. It is a
:18:25. > :18:29.test of whether the Prime Minister is in control. The Liberal
:18:29. > :18:34.Democrats believe they too can reach dry land. Their national
:18:34. > :18:40.ratings may suggest ruin in 2015, but, they say, they mask a more
:18:40. > :18:45.local story of gritty determination. UKIP candidate, nice to meet you.
:18:45. > :18:49.Thank you very much for stopping there. This isn't a pure laboratory
:18:49. > :18:53.for the two parties in power. There are other parties keen for their
:18:53. > :18:57.own upset. The bill that has gone through with the marriage of gays
:18:57. > :19:00.in church. That is a big issue for us, as we are Christians.
:19:00. > :19:04.Gay marriage gets a mention on the doorsteps, but it is immigration
:19:04. > :19:10.that is UKIP's campaign priority. And it has a wide appeal. There
:19:10. > :19:13.needs to be a moratorium on immigration, for a period of time,
:19:13. > :19:16.to allow this country to absorb what is here already, and to
:19:16. > :19:20.develop a national Government policy which says who do we want,
:19:20. > :19:25.how do we want them, when do they come in, with what level of volume
:19:25. > :19:30.and frequency over time. Earlier in the week Diane James
:19:30. > :19:34.came under a lot of criticism for telling a newspaper that Romanian
:19:34. > :19:37.immigrants were associated with crime. Does she stand by those
:19:37. > :19:40.comments? I have already been accused in the Times article that
:19:40. > :19:46.appeared yesterday of being racist and a bigot. I contrast with the
:19:46. > :19:50.number of text messages, e-mail messages, telephone calls, saying
:19:50. > :19:53.Diane thank goodness somebody has actually voiced what we are all
:19:53. > :19:57.thinking. None of the other political parties will do that.
:19:57. > :20:01.Trying to topple the Lib Dems is the Tory candidate, Maria Hutchings
:20:01. > :20:04.a mother of four. Hutchings has been the Tory candidate for a near
:20:04. > :20:10.half decade. She has walked the streets of this constituency many
:20:10. > :20:13.times over. She's also trodden on many of her leadership's messages.
:20:13. > :20:17.She strayed away from their message on gay marriage, she's not in
:20:17. > :20:20.favour. And she would vote to leave in a future referendum on Europe.
:20:20. > :20:24.That morning the Prime Minister had been in Eastleigh hardening up the
:20:24. > :20:28.party line on immigration. I think the Conservative Party, as I said
:20:28. > :20:31.before, are the party that are going to do something about
:20:31. > :20:36.immigration. UKIP won't be running the country. Would you say that
:20:36. > :20:39.UKIP is wrong to go as far as saying there should be a moratorium
:20:39. > :20:43.on immigration? That is an issue for them. You don't agree with that,
:20:43. > :20:49.that is not something you would do? I think the policy we are looking
:20:49. > :20:53.at at the moment, is to assess what's immediately coming, in terms
:20:53. > :20:56.of immigration with Bulgaria and Romania. People around here will
:20:56. > :21:03.say that is waffle? How can you have a moratorium on immigration,
:21:03. > :21:06.when you are talking about immigration from outside Europe and
:21:06. > :21:11.inside Europe. Eastleigh's unemployment figures are not as
:21:11. > :21:15.poor as some parts of the country. But the town's economy is still
:21:15. > :21:20.pretty vacant. Eastleigh contains multitudes, it is the have-yachts
:21:20. > :21:23.and the have-nots, for Labour and Miliband to show they have no
:21:23. > :21:29.southern England discomfort, they really need to be winning in a seat
:21:29. > :21:33.like this. So, at a local coffee shop we
:21:33. > :21:39.caught up with Ed Miliband's celebrity candidate, author of
:21:39. > :21:45.Things Can Only Get Better, a memoir of a Labour activist in the
:21:45. > :21:55.1980s and 1990s what he do if he reached Westminster? I would raise
:21:55. > :21:57.
:21:57. > :22:01.tax. This is me going off message. For the top bankers and football
:22:01. > :22:04.own - football club owners, how many houses do you need. In your
:22:04. > :22:07.book and such a recruiting place for the by-election. You said to
:22:07. > :22:12.your brother in the Richmond by- election, it is best to vote Lib
:22:12. > :22:15.Dem in your seat. Has that gone away forever as a trend because of
:22:15. > :22:18.the coalition? I think tactical voting still exists, people are so
:22:18. > :22:22.cross with the liberals, what do I do to get them out, the answer is
:22:22. > :22:27.vote Labour. We have been going around the supermarkets today
:22:27. > :22:32.explaining people, because we found these, this Lib Dem lasagne, we had
:22:32. > :22:35.it tested and at the found it was 100% Tory.
:22:36. > :22:41.Testing a Lib Dem lasagne, would once have revealed a lot of Labour
:22:41. > :22:44.inside it. Here are Vincent Cable and Danny Alexander, visiting an
:22:44. > :22:47.Eastleigh laser factor. Before they went into coalition, many Labour
:22:47. > :22:52.voters would vote Lib Dem around the country to keep out the local
:22:52. > :22:55.Conservative. This by-election will test whether that remains true.
:22:56. > :22:59.very confused by Labour's point of view. First of all they want to
:22:59. > :23:05.steal one of our policies, then they want to pick up a discarded
:23:05. > :23:10.policy that didn't work, try to introduce it and give us no detail
:23:10. > :23:16.on they are going to. Do that is their policy, not our's. What would
:23:16. > :23:20.you say to wavering Lib Dem voters who have voted tackically in the
:23:20. > :23:23.past. Why should they vote like that again in the next election?
:23:23. > :23:28.have shown we fight the Tories every day and make a huge
:23:29. > :23:33.difference to their lives by keeping taxes down and license
:23:33. > :23:39.looking after families. At the coalition level, without us, they
:23:39. > :23:45.know that the situation would be far worse for them.
:23:45. > :23:51.What do our dancers make of all of this? Originally I voted Lib Dem
:23:51. > :23:55.because it was very much the local candidate where I lived, and people
:23:55. > :24:00.were generally voting Lib Dem. But then I felt very comfortable with
:24:00. > :24:04.that. I carried on. I have to say this time I'm not sure what I will
:24:04. > :24:10.do. I used to be quite Conservative, but then with David Cameron as
:24:10. > :24:14.leader, he has not lived up to what I thought he was. David Cameron has
:24:14. > :24:19.also to live up to the expectations of his MPs. Though it is not just
:24:19. > :24:24.him. All-party leaders are under similar pressure to net Eastleigh
:24:24. > :24:27.for their team. It has been a gentle campaign, but still waters
:24:27. > :24:37.run deep. There are other candidates standing
:24:37. > :24:38.
:24:38. > :24:42.in Eastleigh, of course. Here they In a moment we will have a look at
:24:42. > :24:48.the front pages. First the film most likely playing at a cinema
:24:48. > :24:55.near you right now. It has had women throwing rowss at the screen.
:24:55. > :25:01.Mis-- roses at the screen. Les Mis is a hit, despite dubious singing
:25:01. > :25:06.by Crowe. It is hoping for Oscar glory. The director, Tom Hooper, is
:25:06. > :25:11.talking exclusively to Steve Smith, he's talking about bursting into
:25:12. > :25:21.song and whether Hollywood wants drama against. What about Les Mis?
:25:22. > :25:23.
:25:23. > :25:27.Beautifully pronounced! Yes. Charge. Well, yes, what about Les Mis? The
:25:27. > :25:35.story of life and love on the barricades, you might have heard by
:25:35. > :25:37.now it is a musical. # All the love I walk with till
:25:37. > :25:41.morning But you might not know every star
:25:41. > :25:45.had to sing for his supper at auditions.
:25:45. > :25:51.# Pretend I'm not the man I was before.
:25:51. > :25:56.Even crow crow crow, Jackman -- Russell Crowe, and Hugh Jackman.
:25:56. > :26:00.When Anne McIntosh who produced the music and was responsible for the
:26:00. > :26:05.musical himself. He said they should all audition. It has become
:26:05. > :26:09.so conventional that you can't ask a big star to audition, you just
:26:09. > :26:13.offer, the Hollywood system, I laughed and thought, calm ran, this
:26:13. > :26:16.won't work. He was right to say it is a special case, we could say
:26:16. > :26:21.with singing live we can't have surprises.
:26:22. > :26:25.Who did you say "next" to? I never say that to anyone.
:26:25. > :26:31.# Your time is up and your parole has begun
:26:31. > :26:33.# You know what that means # Yes it means I'm free
:26:33. > :26:37.# Unless you learn the meaning of the law.
:26:37. > :26:41.The singing in the movie was a revelation, Russell Crowe has a
:26:41. > :26:46.voice like an angel, who knew? Interestingly. Is that a fair
:26:46. > :26:50.comment would you say? Interestingly, Russell had started
:26:50. > :26:54.off in musical theatre in Sydney in the rock rock. How did he do that?
:26:54. > :27:01.That was where he got his break as an actor before his film career
:27:01. > :27:08.started. I remember having cast Hugh Jackman, and thinking for the
:27:08. > :27:12.film to have suspense, opposite Hugh I have to cast someone
:27:12. > :27:18.everyone could believe could vanquish Jackman. That is hard once
:27:18. > :27:22.you have cast Wolverine, it struck me that Gladiator was one of the
:27:22. > :27:28.legitimate characters who could destroy Wolverine. Unlike many
:27:28. > :27:34.musicals on film, this one is sung all the way through. With very
:27:34. > :27:38.little straight dialogue. # If I was suddenly to
:27:38. > :27:41.# Start ING singing to you now I think we should do the rest of
:27:42. > :27:46.the programme like that. Apologise. It would be weird if I suddenly
:27:46. > :27:50.broke into song after talking to you for ten minutes. That is the
:27:50. > :27:54.very thing that can happen in a musical that adopts that form that
:27:54. > :28:02.the gear changes are awkward. Hooper's mantle piece already sags
:28:02. > :28:06.under the weight of the Oscars garnered two years ago by the --
:28:06. > :28:10.The King's Speech. Isn't he in the wrong business, all the wise acres
:28:10. > :28:15.have been saying television, box sets are the place for drama.
:28:15. > :28:19.Before I did The King's Speech, the phrase "the drama is dead" had
:28:19. > :28:25.become a common place phrase in Hollywood. To a director like me,
:28:25. > :28:29.and a lot of directors I knew it was a great sadness. It felt like
:28:29. > :28:35.the business had polarised into the big event movie and the teen comedy,
:28:35. > :28:41.there wasn't a lot inbetween. And the fact that this year sees not
:28:41. > :28:45.only the resurgence of drama, and you have Lincoln doing �150 million
:28:45. > :28:49.domestically, you have Zero Dark Thirty, Argo, all doing well, these
:28:49. > :28:52.are dramas in the classical tradition of a film drama. I think
:28:52. > :28:58.there is a lot to take comfort from at the moment. There is an
:28:58. > :29:01.impressive crop of movies up for the Oscars next week, but some have
:29:01. > :29:05.said that they are rather on the long side. Do you have any sympathy
:29:05. > :29:10.for the audience and their stiffening buttocks! My frustration
:29:10. > :29:14.when you make a long time is the awareness that the programme before
:29:14. > :29:20.the movie even starts can be as long as half an hour, in this
:29:20. > :29:24.country. All the ads do you mean? If you make a two-and-a-half hour
:29:24. > :29:28.movie, because of the programme you are into a three-hour movie
:29:28. > :29:32.experience. In the hey day of the long film, the 1960s when longer
:29:32. > :29:38.movies were less usual, you would sit down and the film would start.
:29:38. > :29:48.You didn't have to contend with the 30 minutes of ads and trailers.
:29:48. > :29:49.
:29:49. > :29:54.Hooper directed Michael Sheen as the brilliantly spikey football
:29:54. > :30:00.matcher Brian Clough. What about the director himself, is he
:30:00. > :30:10.confident of more silverwear next week, make that goldwear. Are you
:30:10. > :30:15.going to William Hill's to put money on your film? I'm feeling
:30:15. > :30:20.good about it. I'm pleased with the BAFTAs, I'm very pleased to be
:30:20. > :30:25.there with eight nominations. It is very exciting to be there two years
:30:25. > :30:33.after The King's Speech. There is a diplomatic answer for
:30:33. > :30:38.you. Review is up next with Kirsty. Tonight, my guests gaze at the sea
:30:38. > :30:43.of souls and the cast including Tom Hanks, Halle Berry and Jim
:30:43. > :30:48.Broadbent in Cloud Atlas. Multiple roles in the 360 degree work by