:00:13. > :00:17.Will Brazil be engulfed by protests this weekend. Lauded as an economic
:00:17. > :00:20.success with an apparently popular and long-serving left-wing
:00:20. > :00:24.Government. Last night more than a million people took to the streets,
:00:24. > :00:29.with bigger demonstrations promised to come, where will it end?
:00:29. > :00:32.Also tonight our very own spy agency, GCHQ, is reported to be
:00:32. > :00:36.secretly trawling the Internet and holding massive amounts of our
:00:36. > :00:40.personal data. It is not illegal, but should it be?
:00:40. > :00:46.This, playing and talking live in the studio the Bond quartet, is
:00:46. > :00:56.their success down to their beauty or classical musical skills and
:00:56. > :00:59.does it matter either way? Good evening, Brazil's President
:01:00. > :01:04.emerged from an emergency cabinet meeting today without any message
:01:04. > :01:07.or apparent plan to quell the protests that have snowballed to
:01:07. > :01:15.such an extent that it was said last night more than a million
:01:15. > :01:19.people were on the streets in more many cities. A rise in bus fares
:01:19. > :01:22.and the hosting of World Cup and the Olympics, may not be the
:01:22. > :01:28.circumstances to aggregate the state of the country, but it
:01:28. > :01:31.appears to be what's happening. Now how will the Government react for
:01:31. > :01:35.the protests planned for the weekend.
:01:35. > :01:39.First of all, there was no apparent message from the cabinet meeting,
:01:39. > :01:43.are you hearing anything now? we have been told within the last
:01:43. > :01:46.couple of hours that President Dilma Rousseff is preparing to
:01:46. > :01:50.address the nation. A lot of people were asking on social networks
:01:50. > :01:54.today and last night at the peak of the violence where is our President.
:01:54. > :01:59.It is clear she is now going to speak to the nation, perhaps as
:01:59. > :02:05.soon as tonight, perhaps within the next few days. I think it will be
:02:05. > :02:10.the most critical broadcast of her presidency, a million people more
:02:10. > :02:13.on the streets of many Brazilian cities, a real test of the
:02:13. > :02:17.Government. Talking to a presidential spokesman, there was a
:02:17. > :02:20.wounded talk, they talked about the 40 million lifted out of poverty in
:02:20. > :02:24.recent years, the expansion of the health and education system. They
:02:24. > :02:29.say they don't disagree with the demonstrators, they want to talk to
:02:29. > :02:32.them. When the protestors were originally talking about the
:02:32. > :02:35.transport fares, those increases were immediately reversed. What
:02:35. > :02:39.will the President have to say in this message, would she have to
:02:39. > :02:42.show a change of policy, all this money going to the World Cup that
:02:42. > :02:46.apparently should be going to education, the protestors say,
:02:46. > :02:49.would she have to do something concrete to stop the protestors in
:02:49. > :02:53.their tracks? This is part of the challenge. I'm not entirely
:02:53. > :02:56.convinced the Government knows what to say. In talking to them they get
:02:56. > :02:59.a sense of surprise and shock and even alarm. One of the most
:02:59. > :03:03.striking images last night was of the demonstrators at the front of
:03:03. > :03:09.the Foreign Ministry, this landmark building in the sent of the capital,
:03:09. > :03:12.starting a fire. I think ministers were visibly shaken by that. Their
:03:12. > :03:15.challenge is the fact the movement is so diverse and people are
:03:15. > :03:17.raising so many concerns. They are talking about tax issues, they are
:03:18. > :03:21.talking about spending on education and health. They are talk about the
:03:21. > :03:25.vast cost of hosting the World Cup and the Olympics, and with so many
:03:25. > :03:29.issues it is difficult to know what the President can say beyond
:03:29. > :03:31.offering talks to try to understand better. They are saying to us
:03:32. > :03:37.tonight part of their difficulty is that this is a moment without a
:03:37. > :03:41.structure and without a clear leadership, who do we talk to.
:03:41. > :03:46.What is behind these protests and is it part of a bigger global
:03:46. > :03:50.phenomenon? Our Economics Editor Paul Mason reports.
:03:50. > :03:54.This is what its like when a million people decide economic
:03:54. > :04:04.growth is not enough. The streets of Rio last night proved that this
:04:04. > :04:05.
:04:05. > :04:11.has now gone way beyond a protest over bus fares.
:04:11. > :04:15.There was sporadic violence. The police here use a mixture of gas,
:04:15. > :04:20.stun grenades and plastic bullets. The protestors a mixture of fire
:04:20. > :04:29.and moral force. And in places this week the strains on law enforcement
:04:29. > :04:39.have shown. Here a riot cop refuses orders and is sent packing by his
:04:39. > :04:44.commander. Everywhere the symbolism of a protest led by educated youth.
:04:44. > :04:49.Irony, tolerance, the national flag and the football shirt. How did a
:04:49. > :04:54.movement over bus fares escalate to this, a protest poster says it all.
:04:54. > :05:00.A city of 11 million people with a distinctly minimalise underground
:05:00. > :05:04.railway map. -- minimalist underground railway
:05:04. > :05:08.map. This was the symbol of skewed priorities, Brazil instead had
:05:08. > :05:13.spent billions of stadiums and infrastructure to host the World
:05:13. > :05:17.Cup. And when people protested a familiar pattern emerged.
:05:17. > :05:22.started to get bigger when we started seeing that the police were
:05:22. > :05:25.really being aggressive to the protestors. Then there was this
:05:25. > :05:29.feeling of solidarity like this can't be happening, we have to have
:05:29. > :05:33.the freedom to express ourselves. It had been simplering for months
:05:33. > :05:39.if you knew where to look -- simplering for months if you knew
:05:39. > :05:43.where to look. Here a cup match amid the chaos has seen slum
:05:43. > :05:48.clearance on the perimeter. Overall 170,000 people will be affected by
:05:48. > :05:52.things like this. To make next year's World Cup happen the
:05:53. > :05:56.Government is spending $16 billion, not far short of the country's
:05:56. > :06:02.annual education budget. We are talking about a huge urban crisis
:06:02. > :06:10.in every city in Brazil. The policies are made for few, there is
:06:10. > :06:15.huge profit on for instance estate speculation. The World Cup issue is
:06:15. > :06:20.also an urban issue. Many of the works and investments being done
:06:20. > :06:24.for the World Cup are very unequal, they are, for instance, expeling
:06:24. > :06:28.lots of people from their homes. There is about 170,000 people who
:06:28. > :06:34.have been threatened or are under threat of losing their homes
:06:34. > :06:39.because they live around the Stadio, and the big infra-- Stadio, and the
:06:39. > :06:44.big infrastructure investments happening around the stadiums.
:06:44. > :06:49.Brazil is among the four big countries, the BRIC, that made the
:06:49. > :06:52.term "Third World" go out of fashion. Rapid growth has pulled 36
:06:52. > :07:02.million people into the middle- class. Even the technical measure
:07:02. > :07:02.
:07:02. > :07:06.of inequality is falling. Now inflation is rising, above 6%. If
:07:06. > :07:11.the protests started on the left and the educatedout, it is now
:07:11. > :07:16.drawing in the trade unions and people from the slums. Its focus
:07:16. > :07:22.has turned to corruption, cronyism and the political elite, full stop.
:07:22. > :07:27.The city of Sao Paulo the activists are trying to call it off. It has
:07:27. > :07:33.now got completely blurred, people yesterday burned flags of all the
:07:33. > :07:36.party, some of them were absolutely against any party. And that's why
:07:36. > :07:41.the left-wing moreed traditional movements have decided not to
:07:41. > :07:44.protest any more here in Sao Paulo. Including the free press movement
:07:44. > :07:48.have said their demand was met and they are not going to protest any
:07:48. > :07:52.more. But in mass revolts things will get
:07:52. > :07:58.out of hand. Brazil's President, a former Marxist guerrilla has
:07:58. > :08:03.promised to address the nation soon. For now she's reliant on force,
:08:03. > :08:10.concessions and a U-turn by activists to make this particular
:08:10. > :08:13.carnival go away. Paul is with me now. This danger
:08:13. > :08:18.that without a leadership we have anarchy and without any leadership
:08:18. > :08:22.you have more violence? Brazil is one of the BRIC countries, and
:08:22. > :08:26.three out of the four BRIC countries have now had unrest in
:08:26. > :08:31.the past 18 months, the Russian post electoral unrest, the Indian
:08:31. > :08:36.unrest following the gang rape and now this. Own in Turkey two weeks
:08:36. > :08:42.ago an honourary BRIC country we are seeing now the emergence across
:08:42. > :08:45.the rapidly developing world of a problem of young urban educated
:08:45. > :08:49.people who, wherever the initial spark is, whatever the initial
:08:49. > :08:52.problem is, they come to the streets and they express a general
:08:52. > :08:57.frustration with, not the economic deal they are getting, but the
:08:57. > :09:02.political, the freedom, the ability to express, all these minutor
:09:02. > :09:05.demands, relatively minor. It is a left-wing Government? It is
:09:05. > :09:08.democratically elected and loft wing. Its priority for ten years
:09:08. > :09:13.and more, even before power, has been to develop Brazil for the poor.
:09:13. > :09:18.These are the people who some of them used to be the poor, but they
:09:18. > :09:22.are the Facebookers, and people I'm interacting with on Twitter right
:09:22. > :09:26.now are there, their perspective on that is they want a modern country
:09:26. > :09:29.where they can affect things. was said within the last hour that
:09:29. > :09:33.it was announced that President Rousseff is going to address the
:09:33. > :09:37.nation as early as tomorrow. Is there anything she can actually say
:09:37. > :09:40.do you think that will break this down? The workers party, the PT,
:09:40. > :09:45.the ruling party has a massive machine. It has the kind of machine
:09:45. > :09:49.that, in fact, the ruler of Turkey had and on this occasion it is kind
:09:49. > :09:53.of embedded among the masses. Some of whom will be protesting. It can
:09:53. > :09:56.help deflate this. But what it needs to do is to be able to find
:09:56. > :10:00.leaders to talk to, find out what their demands are. We are pretty
:10:00. > :10:05.clear what they are, and then do things. And that's a challenge if
:10:05. > :10:10.you have never faced this kind of protest before. Thank you very much
:10:10. > :10:15.indeed. I'm joined by the Brazilian ambassador to the UK. It is a
:10:15. > :10:18.pretty sorry scene to see stun guns and teargas and so forth out there
:10:18. > :10:22.on the streets. When these are essentially people that have
:10:22. > :10:26.supported this Government? It is quite true, of course when you have
:10:26. > :10:29.one million people mass mobility, it creates different types of
:10:29. > :10:32.volatility. You don't have control of the streets? It is difficult,
:10:32. > :10:37.but of course we have the police there to protect the protestors
:10:37. > :10:41.themselves and protect property, because looters infiltrate and they
:10:41. > :10:46.create havoc. But we see what happened, we were just talking
:10:46. > :10:49.about it in Turkey. When the educated young middle-class
:10:49. > :10:53.disaffected are outen on the streets, they are hard to shift --
:10:53. > :10:57.out on the streets, they are hard to shift? Brazil is a little
:10:57. > :11:03.different to the scenario. We have a thorough democratic process, the
:11:03. > :11:07.full participation of everybody. The movement shows some people feel
:11:07. > :11:13.not adequately represented. We have had a news flash that the President
:11:13. > :11:19.will speak in two hours time, 1.00am our time. It shows the
:11:19. > :11:24.urgency she is addressing, we know the road to the Sao Paulo Airport
:11:24. > :11:28.is shut and protests are planned. Will she announce a change of
:11:28. > :11:32.policy? She will announce what she already annuciated. She hears and
:11:32. > :11:38.wants to be able to perceive the message and to see what can be done.
:11:38. > :11:41.If you have $16 million spent on the World Cup and people protesting
:11:41. > :11:45.that really is the equivalent of what is spent on education and what
:11:45. > :11:49.is spent on education is falling far short. What does she do, does
:11:49. > :11:52.she announce a big financial project? I think there is a
:11:52. > :11:58.volatility, there is a difusion in the message. You have to understand
:11:58. > :12:01.when the World Cup was announced to Brazil it was global jubilation,
:12:01. > :12:07.among all the people. The same thing with the Olympic Games. There
:12:07. > :12:11.is a volatility in this issue. Of course hosting the World Cup brings
:12:11. > :12:17.enormous possibilities as well. When you have something as iconic,
:12:17. > :12:21.for example in Turkey and Taksim Square, as initially a garden
:12:21. > :12:25.project, when you have favelas removed for the World Cup, it is
:12:25. > :12:29.those things that spark bigger things? You would if you had
:12:29. > :12:34.favelas being moved, that is not the case. We had stadia being built
:12:35. > :12:37.which got significant investments. We have significant improvement in
:12:37. > :12:41.transportation which is very beneficial to the population in
:12:41. > :12:44.general. So a number of investments were required any way. At the
:12:44. > :12:51.moment though the Confederation Cup is going on, which is the precursor
:12:51. > :12:55.to the World Cup, do you think you will get to the World Cup, will it
:12:55. > :12:59.still be held in Brazil? I have no doubt whatsoever. Amongst one
:12:59. > :13:03.million protestors the games of the Confederation Cup were held and
:13:03. > :13:06.very well without any individual with issues in the games themselves.
:13:07. > :13:12.If this was to happen next year, with the influx of people coming to
:13:12. > :13:16.the World Cup, that would be disastrous for BR sill, you have to
:13:16. > :13:20.get it sorted out -- Brazil, you have to get it sorted out? We don't
:13:20. > :13:23.want to control people, but we have a responsibility to incorporate
:13:23. > :13:27.them into the democratic process. That is what we want to do. You say
:13:27. > :13:30.you can't control people, when the images are flashed around on social
:13:30. > :13:33.media are of police controlling for their own safety, but coming up
:13:33. > :13:41.against rioters, for whatever reason, that does not look like a
:13:41. > :13:44.Government in control? Well as I said, the mobility and mass
:13:44. > :13:48.mobilisation generates their own volatility of that nature, this
:13:48. > :13:53.happens everywhere. It is important to avoid that these mass
:13:53. > :13:58.demonstrations don't form into looting and damaging Government or
:13:58. > :14:03.private property. What Paul has said and what is true, you pooled
:14:03. > :14:07.$36 million into the middle -- you pould36 million people into the
:14:07. > :14:10.middle-class, but people see high taxes and corruption in the
:14:10. > :14:15.Government and appalling transport system. A lot of people don't feel
:14:15. > :14:19.they are getting the share of the action they should get for being a
:14:19. > :14:23.BRIC country? Brazil is a big and developing country with many
:14:23. > :14:28.challenges. It is an ar aic country in many dimensions but very modern
:14:28. > :14:31.in other dimensions. What we are witnessing here is besides the
:14:31. > :14:34.traditional problems which are the central problems, incorporating
:14:34. > :14:37.everybody into full citizenship. We have more than problems that you
:14:37. > :14:41.witness everywhere, including here in Europe where you see people who
:14:41. > :14:44.don't feel represented, they chose to have different types of
:14:44. > :14:48.representation in different relations throughout the continent.
:14:48. > :14:53.In Brazil obviously this is happening as well. But this is a
:14:53. > :14:57.different characteristic of problems. It would be ironic for
:14:57. > :15:01.President Rousseff, who herself used to be a guerrilla, if there
:15:01. > :15:04.ended up being revolution in Brazil? I don't see it that way.
:15:04. > :15:10.First of all revolution is not really the process in Brazil. We
:15:10. > :15:13.are a very tolerant country and a co-operative country and diverse
:15:13. > :15:16.country and we pride ourselves on that. You used to have military
:15:16. > :15:19.coup, have you gone beyond that? Very much so, I think we have
:15:19. > :15:23.established two or three things that have been fundamental, the
:15:23. > :15:26.democratic process, a social inclusion process and an economic
:15:26. > :15:36.growth process. You will be listening out for the message in
:15:36. > :15:42.
:15:42. > :15:48.two hours time? Certainly I will. In a moment the Bond quartet. Now
:15:48. > :15:51.the UK's listening post, QCHQ can tap more global e-mails, Facebook
:15:51. > :15:54.posts and internet traffic, including calls, than any other
:15:55. > :15:58.surveillance agency in the world, according to documents shown to the
:15:58. > :16:05.Guardian by the National Security Agency's whistleblower, Edward
:16:05. > :16:08.Snowdon. This latest revelations claims GCHQ's operation, code named
:16:08. > :16:12.Tempora, has been running for 18 months and the information is
:16:12. > :16:18.shared with the American NSA. If so what is the information worth and
:16:18. > :16:23.to whom? I'm joined by our diplomatic editor Mark Urban. Tell
:16:23. > :16:30.me what is it that GCHQ has been doing? Another set of revelations
:16:30. > :16:35.based on e-mails from the agency in the Guardian. E seingsly --
:16:35. > :16:40.essentially some years back a lot of traffic was from phone lines and
:16:40. > :16:44.on to fibre optic, GCHQ wanted to tap into those and they hit on the
:16:44. > :16:50.idea of physically tapping into the fibre optics where they enter and
:16:50. > :16:55.leave the UK. We know under this operation Tempora, or Project
:16:55. > :17:00.Tempora, by 2011 they were tapping in physically tapping into the
:17:00. > :17:04.infrastructure more than 200 points around the UK. Now obviously
:17:04. > :17:09.billions of bits of data streaming by, you can only hold it in this
:17:09. > :17:13.buffer because of the quantity of data for three days with the
:17:13. > :17:17.content phone call, e-mails, all the rest of it. After that it slips
:17:17. > :17:21.out, the metadata, the numbers called, the e-mail address, that
:17:21. > :17:25.kind of thing, stay in the system for 30 days then that goes too.
:17:25. > :17:29.Even while it is being held in that system it has to be massively
:17:29. > :17:32.narrowed down, there is a process of reduction based on the type of
:17:32. > :17:35.files, whether they have attachments all this kind of stuff
:17:35. > :17:38.designed to zero right in on 40,000 selectors programmed into the
:17:38. > :17:43.system. That could be a single person's phone number or e-mail
:17:43. > :17:45.address or it could be a term used in the e-mail like a name of a
:17:45. > :17:51.particular chemical used in refining drugs or anything like
:17:51. > :17:55.that and 31,000 of those selectors from the NSA. That is the scope of
:17:55. > :17:59.the programme that the Guardian has said it has uncovered. That is the
:17:59. > :18:03.scope, but how you are pricing is it? There is -- surprising is it?
:18:03. > :18:08.There is always a difference between capability and performance
:18:08. > :18:14.in this technical gathering programme s of intelligence. I have
:18:14. > :18:17.to admit I find it moderately surprising that GCHQ was operating
:18:17. > :18:21.on this scale. We have to remember these slides that Edward Snowdon
:18:21. > :18:25.first brought into the public domain from the NSA, these e-mails
:18:25. > :18:28.and other presentations given by GCHQ they are selling jobs. They
:18:28. > :18:31.are showing off? They are institutional showing off to other
:18:31. > :18:35.members of the intelligence community and Governments more
:18:35. > :18:40.widely, we can do this and that for you. Hence some of the
:18:40. > :18:43.misunderstandings actually early on was what Prism was, was it going to
:18:43. > :18:49.the companies without them knowing. We know it wasn't now. In the UK
:18:49. > :18:54.test the limbtations are still there. Of processing power, of law
:18:54. > :18:58.and of storage of data that mean that although they are handling
:18:58. > :19:04.this massive amount, and boasting that this is more at any one moment
:19:04. > :19:08.than the NSA can handle, the actual use they can make of it is more
:19:08. > :19:12.limited than the NSA with its massive resources. Where does it
:19:12. > :19:15.take the debate, we are in the midst of the arguments about the
:19:15. > :19:19.called snooper's charter? argument that is made in the
:19:19. > :19:23.articles this evening is that the Regulation of Investigatory Powers
:19:23. > :19:33.Act of 2000, the law under which it is done is out of date. Britain
:19:33. > :19:33.
:19:33. > :19:36.needs to move on. The secure crates have been trying to move it on to
:19:36. > :19:40.things like BlackBerry message and other internet apps which they are
:19:40. > :19:43.not sure they have the legal authority to do. It may be that
:19:43. > :19:47.people on the other side of the argument create an opportunity for
:19:47. > :19:51.them. They are so appalled by what is going on that they demand new
:19:51. > :19:54.legislation that may allow the two sides to thrash it out and put this
:19:54. > :19:59.on a more proper legal basis. Thank you very much.
:19:59. > :20:07.Now Jenni Murray the presenter of Woman's Own, made her debut as a
:20:07. > :20:13.conductor with the BBC Philharmonic, with the overture to Bizet's kaerm
:20:13. > :20:17.men. She had a few hours training which hails kaerm men as a wild
:20:18. > :20:22.seductress. The choice of music might be more than opt. In an
:20:22. > :20:25.article penned for the Times she implied that women in classical
:20:25. > :20:35.music still have a tough time making it big, but using your looks
:20:35. > :20:37.
:20:37. > :20:41.goes a long way to help. They are the hard working artists bringing
:20:41. > :20:48.classical music to the masses. According to Jenni Murray to have
:20:48. > :20:53.to look right to play the part. She said despite the world of classical
:20:53. > :20:59.music becoming more female-friendly, the women seemed to be most welcome
:20:59. > :21:03.are the ones that go along with the idea that sex sells. She picked out
:21:03. > :21:10.the award winning Scottish violinist Nicola Benedetti being
:21:10. > :21:19.marketed in that way. As well as the trumpeter Alison Balsom. With
:21:19. > :21:24.me now are Tania, Elsbeth and Gaie from the group Bond.
:21:24. > :21:28.It seems Michael White that the argument that some seem to be
:21:28. > :21:32.eVinceing that by laweding these type of artist who are attractive
:21:32. > :21:42.and so forth and make popular classical music, in some way this
:21:42. > :21:43.
:21:43. > :21:50.is a dumbing down? And it is, I can understand why it happens. One
:21:50. > :21:55.thing that is the question on classical people at the moment is
:21:55. > :21:58.how do replace the ageing audience. One is investing in glamour
:21:58. > :22:02.palmaging, to some extent that works, but you have to be careful
:22:02. > :22:05.that you are not compromising what you are selling and you have to be
:22:05. > :22:09.careful you are not selling a lie. The lie can be that the pretty
:22:09. > :22:13.person is not the best person. can be the line because in the face
:22:13. > :22:18.of Bond all these women here are classically trained. Are you saying
:22:18. > :22:21.the kind of music they are playing sells them short? Bond are with
:22:21. > :22:27.what they are. I'm sure they are very successful at what they do.
:22:27. > :22:33.They are not my cup of tea but it is not the end of the world. That
:22:34. > :22:39.happens. I don't really want to criticise Bond for what they are.
:22:39. > :22:43.What you are essentially saying and it is, what you are essentially
:22:43. > :22:47.saying is if you are to all intents of what is regarded as being
:22:47. > :22:51.attractive, in a way that is a problem because it detracts from
:22:51. > :22:56.what you are doing? I think it can misdirect the public. If the public
:22:56. > :23:01.are encouraged to think that the pretty artist is the great artist
:23:01. > :23:05.then what happens to the artist who is short and fat and pimplely and
:23:05. > :23:08.unattractive. Sometimes it is the short fat artist who is the great
:23:08. > :23:12.artist. Sometimes it is the attractive artist. Let's just come
:23:13. > :23:17.back on this you two? Basically I think it is very unfair that the
:23:17. > :23:20.two artists who she has attacked they are fantastic musicians.
:23:20. > :23:25.Nicola Benedetti and Alison Balsom. They are classical performers. We
:23:25. > :23:28.are actually a crossover group we compose our own music we don't call
:23:28. > :23:32.ourselves classical, we see ourselves as another category. To
:23:32. > :23:38.pick on these two who just happen to be attractive women is sexist in
:23:38. > :23:42.a way itself. Do you think, are you concerned that what people say
:23:42. > :23:46.about you being glamorous detracts from your music or have you made a
:23:46. > :23:50.calculation that you just go for it any way? Right from the beginning
:23:50. > :23:53.when we started we wanted to do something different with Bond we
:23:53. > :23:57.formed to do something more of a pop presentation. We just wanted to
:23:57. > :24:02.dress in way that made us feel confident on stage. You say you are
:24:02. > :24:06.a crossover group. Are you concerned in a way that you are not
:24:06. > :24:13.playing what some people regard as challenging music? No, we compose
:24:13. > :24:18.and arrange and produce our music, we are classically trained
:24:18. > :24:21.performers. 15 years we have been working towards this? I'm sure they
:24:21. > :24:25.are great at what they do. But beauty is not the issue it is how
:24:25. > :24:29.you sound that is the issue. That is the basis on which you should be
:24:29. > :24:33.judged. Exactly, when Jenni Murray talks about Nicola Benedetti who an
:24:33. > :24:37.artist who has strived since a child, nobody practices more than
:24:37. > :24:40.Nicola and she is incredibly talented, is that fair or not?
:24:40. > :24:44.of the other points that Jenni Murray was making is there is too
:24:44. > :24:47.much pressure on people to look good. I don't agree with that the
:24:47. > :24:50.most famous classical musicians in the world are not the most
:24:50. > :24:56.beautiful but they still sell out Opera Houses and concerts and they
:24:56. > :25:00.have a market. The thing about the older audience, people tend to get
:25:00. > :25:04.into classical audience as they get older, I appreciate it more than as
:25:04. > :25:09.a teenager, it is not a declining market, everybody is getting old we
:25:09. > :25:12.will get to the concert hall at some point I feel. I'm not glins
:25:13. > :25:15.glamour and it is a useful marketing tool. It is a useful
:25:15. > :25:19.marketing tool. You have to be aware of the consequences. Of
:25:19. > :25:22.course you have to market classical music, you have to go and find an
:25:22. > :25:25.audience. At the moment you have to find a younger audience. You look
:25:25. > :25:30.around a concert and it is quite true there is hardly anybody under
:25:30. > :25:35.40 very often, what do you do about that. Yes, glamour and packaging is
:25:35. > :25:39.part of the solution. But it is a solution you have to use very, very
:25:39. > :25:44.carefully. Surely an audience can tell, somebody can be you know as
:25:44. > :25:47.beautiful as the Queen of Sheba, and not very good and they are not
:25:47. > :25:51.going to make it, are they? audience can't always tell. There
:25:51. > :25:57.is a very innocent audience out there. The audience can't tell?I
:25:57. > :26:00.think that is a little bit disrespectful to an audience. Also
:26:00. > :26:05.everybody has, we have had a lifetime of training and Nicola
:26:05. > :26:08.Benedetti, show has studied very hard and just because she as
:26:08. > :26:15.attractive she is discriminated against them. Would you say the
:26:15. > :26:19.same over handsome tenors? In an ideal world on a opera stage every
:26:20. > :26:25.romantic tenor would be tall and dark and handsome and every lead
:26:25. > :26:30.would be handsome too, that is not the case, you cast for the voice
:26:30. > :26:33.and talent. When you say you can expect audiences to know. You can't
:26:33. > :26:38.very often they are seduced by marketing and it can redirect your
:26:38. > :26:42.attention. I think of lots of different opera singers who are not
:26:42. > :26:45.particularly handsome? When you go to a concert and opera, opera has
:26:45. > :26:48.the visual but a classical concert is about the music. It could be
:26:48. > :26:52.anybody on the stage, if they can't move you emotionally it doesn't
:26:52. > :26:55.matter. Maybe we will see you play in jeans? We have done that before
:26:55. > :27:00.many times. I think you have to go and get ready for something. Thank
:27:00. > :27:10.you all very much indeed. And we have got tomorrow morning's front
:27:10. > :27:10.
:27:10. > :28:06.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 56 seconds
:28:06. > :28:10.pages. And we have got nationwide Well we finish tonight soon but at
:28:10. > :28:15.the end of the longest day of the year, with a performance by our
:28:15. > :28:25.guest Bond. Here they are with a piece penned by their cellist
:28:25. > :28:25.
:28:25. > :30:13.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 56 seconds
:30:13. > :30:17.Well this weekend is going to be cool, showery and with quite a
:30:17. > :30:21.strong wind especially across many western and southern areas of the
:30:21. > :30:23.UK. And the showers could be heavy as well. Possibly with hail and
:30:24. > :30:28.thunder, particularly across Northern Ireland and western parts
:30:28. > :30:33.of Scotland. So these two areas I think one or two downpours on the
:30:33. > :30:37.cards. If you live the other side of Scotland, Aberdeenshire, Murray,
:30:37. > :30:42.the weather may turn out fairly decent. Hopping across the border
:30:42. > :30:45.to England it is a mish-mash, sunny spells and showers. The weather
:30:45. > :30:48.could turn out to be quite good through the afternoon, but it will
:30:48. > :30:51.be windy. Through the Dover strait we are talking about a gale force
:30:51. > :30:55.wind. That wind will be strong across the southern coast, right
:30:55. > :30:59.down to the tip of Cornwall. In some spots winds will be gusting
:30:59. > :31:02.around about 40 or 50 miles an hour. If you are in the wind and rain it
:31:02. > :31:06.will feel on the cool side. Very similar weather across the southern
:31:06. > :31:09.coasts of Wales here around the bay as well. The weather won't change
:31:09. > :31:13.an awful lot through the course of Saturday and into Sunday either.
:31:13. > :31:18.Let's have a look at some other places around the world and see
:31:18. > :31:23.what is going on across Europe. In Oslo temperatures of 18 degrees,
:31:23. > :31:28.recently we had a heatwave here, now it is easing off but the real