:00:18. > :00:22.. The arch British of Canterbury vows to provide an alternative to
:00:22. > :00:28.the payday loan companies. How morally superior can a church be
:00:28. > :00:33.whose investment rules allow it to profit from arms, pornography and
:00:33. > :00:36.is it really wise for the modern church to enter the murky world of
:00:36. > :00:41.money lending? Also tonight the generals in Egypt
:00:41. > :00:47.mobilise thousands of supporters on to the streets. So is the army
:00:47. > :00:50.looking to smother its opponents? What a brilliant piece of skulling,
:00:50. > :00:56.they were marvellous. A year on from the London Olympics, why are
:00:56. > :01:00.so few women involved in sport. We asked an olympian to investigate.
:01:00. > :01:05.From an early age I developed a passion for football, rowing,
:01:05. > :01:15.tennis, but the health survey for England shows that only 12% of 14-
:01:15. > :01:16.
:01:16. > :01:19.year-old girls do enough physical activity to benefit their health.
:01:19. > :01:23.Good evening. The Archbishop of Canterbury's intention to bring
:01:23. > :01:26.money lending, not just on to the steps of the temple, but into the
:01:26. > :01:30.church itself should have dominated the headlines this week. But
:01:30. > :01:34.instead Justin Welby was left feeling embarrassed and irritate.
:01:34. > :01:38.He told the chief executive of the payday loan company, Wonga.com,
:01:38. > :01:43.that he would put him out of business by facilitating Credit
:01:43. > :01:48.Unions up and down the country. Then last might, to his woreor, he
:01:48. > :01:52.found out his own church invests in one of Wonga's key financial
:01:52. > :02:02.backers. More morally questionable investments have since been
:02:02. > :02:11.
:02:11. > :02:16.discovered. So, is the church in a The three monotheist religions all
:02:16. > :02:20.have a great deal to say about the lending of money. And ever since
:02:20. > :02:26.this man took offence to the interest rates on offer in the
:02:26. > :02:29.Jerusalem temple, Christians have been lensive to the sin of usury.
:02:29. > :02:33.Discovering yesterday we had investments in Wonga was very
:02:33. > :02:37.embarrassing. There is no two ways about it. I can't escape that. It
:02:37. > :02:40.doesn't alter what we think about the situation, or our commitment to
:02:40. > :02:45.supporting and working with others to build the Credit Union movement
:02:45. > :02:50.and to build alternative sources of community finance, particularly in
:02:50. > :02:54.the deprived areas, it is not what I would have liked to find out.
:02:54. > :02:58.Payday loan companies on the high street and internet lent out more
:02:58. > :03:02.than �2 billion last year. The best-known name in the industry,
:03:02. > :03:06.Wonga, spent �24 million on advertising in just the last 12
:03:07. > :03:11.months. Will thousands of stretched customers really swap all that and
:03:11. > :03:15.turn to the church to get them through to their next wage packet.
:03:15. > :03:19.Now Justin Welby says he wants to put the likes of Wonga out of
:03:19. > :03:24.business. Not by supporting extra regulation, but by encouraging
:03:24. > :03:30.competition and driving down interest rates. We think you can
:03:30. > :03:40.probably do it for an equivalent annual rate of 70-80%. Which again
:03:40. > :03:50.
:03:50. > :03:54.is? A huge sum of money. But it is In Weymouth in Dorset we get some
:03:54. > :04:00.idea of what the bishop's plan might look like. Here the church
:04:00. > :04:05.works with the local Credit Union, providing basic loan and saving
:04:05. > :04:09.products for people unlikely to get joy from the high street bank. The
:04:09. > :04:16.church acts almost like a local branch, letting residents take out
:04:16. > :04:20.loans and money almost from the pulpit. The Credit Union is people
:04:20. > :04:26.helping people, you get together and save together and lend. If in
:04:26. > :04:29.that sense it is strengthening communities. Why do people use
:04:29. > :04:34.payday lenders? Because they have a dramatic change of life
:04:34. > :04:38.circumstances, they lose a job, and they have no back-up, they go to
:04:38. > :04:43.the payday lender. If you encourage people to spend, they build up a
:04:43. > :04:46.pot and for the rainy day they have something to fall back on. It has
:04:46. > :04:51.worked in the Republic of Ireland, almost half people have signed up
:04:51. > :04:54.to the Credit Union. For some in the payday industry the idea of
:04:54. > :04:58.religious competition is not particularly alarming. No, purely
:04:58. > :05:01.because there is a need for the product in the market. If we didn't
:05:01. > :05:06.exist people would go to backstreet lending. I would like to know if
:05:06. > :05:09.the Archbishop think it is better to go to illegal lenders if they
:05:10. > :05:13.can't repay they may get physically injured, it is not a world we want
:05:13. > :05:17.to go back to. Wouldn't the world be a better place if there was no
:05:17. > :05:20.poverty and everybody had a meal and fresh water and illnesses, it
:05:20. > :05:23.is not real though. The world is the way it is, people need money
:05:23. > :05:33.for emergencies, that is why we are here. The banks aren't providing it,
:05:33. > :05:38.
:05:38. > :05:42.But, as bishop Welby knows, the financial industry, like the church,
:05:42. > :05:46.is a complex beast. The Church of England controls more than �5
:05:46. > :05:51.billion worth of investments. It now turns out some of that cash is
:05:51. > :05:54.funding one of Wonga's key financial backers. The church is
:05:54. > :05:58.always going to be compromised if it continues to try to maximise its
:05:58. > :06:02.profit. It is going to get caught out, because it is going to get its
:06:02. > :06:06.hands burnt. What people really object to is it isn't walking the
:06:06. > :06:10.talk, it is seen as hypocritical. The alternative is to put its money
:06:10. > :06:15.where its mouth is and invest in projects to do good which are about
:06:16. > :06:25.adding value to society rather than maximising profits and minimising
:06:26. > :06:37.
:06:37. > :06:40.damage. The church's advisory board That doesn't stop Lambeth Palace
:06:40. > :06:43.funding other large companies with a questionable ethical record.
:06:43. > :06:48.Newsnight has learned the church's pension fund currently owns shares
:06:48. > :06:52.in Google and Vodaphone, whose tax arrangements have both been
:06:52. > :06:56.criticised recently, and in multinational mining and energy
:06:56. > :07:00.firms. After the latest payday row the Archbishop now says he wants
:07:00. > :07:05.the church's investment guidelines to be reviewed.
:07:05. > :07:10.With me to discuss the clerical- capital relationship are two men
:07:10. > :07:18.helpfully both called Giles, first Giles Fraser, normer Canon
:07:18. > :07:22.Chancellor at St Paul's Cathedral, and Giles from Instant Payday
:07:22. > :07:26.Direct. Who decided that a 3% investment in porn would be OK with
:07:26. > :07:30.the Lord, but 4% might push them over the edge? It is extraordinary,
:07:30. > :07:33.we need to review where our money goes our investment for our pension
:07:33. > :07:37.funds. But to be honest it is a very complicated area. You invest
:07:37. > :07:42.in one thing, you seem to invest in everything else. If you get
:07:42. > :07:47.involved in the markets it does seem that you know you invest in a
:07:48. > :07:52.company that invests in other things, it is difficult to keep
:07:52. > :07:54.your hand clean. The truth of the matter is if you were only
:07:54. > :07:58.interested in keeping your hands clean you wouldn't get out into the
:07:58. > :08:02.world. It is embarrassing, this really has to be changed. I think
:08:02. > :08:05.the church has to be not quite so bothered about its own reputation
:08:05. > :08:10.and more bothered about getting out into the world and changing things.
:08:10. > :08:17.That is what is going on. Are you looking at a whole scale
:08:17. > :08:21.purification and purging ceremony, washing your hands. Things you are
:08:21. > :08:26.investing in now, oil companies, and companies that don't like to
:08:26. > :08:28.pay tax? That needs to be changed. Changed or given up? We have the
:08:28. > :08:32.Archbishop of Canterbury who understands the ways of the world,
:08:32. > :08:34.being a former banker, with his heart in the right place, he will
:08:34. > :08:38.make a difference to this. We shouldn't be investing in these
:08:38. > :08:42.sorts of companies, we need to have a wholesale review, that has been
:08:42. > :08:46.ordered. I want to know how far the remit of moral crusade goes with
:08:46. > :08:51.the Church of England, the front page of the Telegraph at the moment
:08:51. > :08:56.has a story, it is, if you like, the pornography Tsar for the
:08:56. > :08:59.Government, Claire Perry calling on the church to boycott Google or
:08:59. > :09:03.invest in Google any more because they are not doing enough. They are
:09:03. > :09:07.not doing enough to stop the kind of pornography that she is very
:09:07. > :09:13.much against from being available? I agree with that. One thing I have
:09:13. > :09:16.to say, this whole business about where the church has its money
:09:16. > :09:21.shouldn't obscure the real good that has been going on this week
:09:21. > :09:27.about the church addressing these issues of payday lenders. This is a
:09:27. > :09:30.very, very important issue. In a place like my parish where people
:09:31. > :09:34.are trapped in really terrible debt. That debt at very high rates of
:09:34. > :09:38.interest. The idea that the church is getting involved in that is a
:09:38. > :09:42.very good thing. Let's turn to Giles Coutts, you must be loving
:09:42. > :09:46.this, it is normally your lot accused of being immoral, here we
:09:46. > :09:51.are having a moral chat over here? For the man on the street they are
:09:51. > :09:55.a little bit confused you have the Archbishop coming out and naming a
:09:55. > :10:00.particular payday lender, it does annoy me that one company has got
:10:01. > :10:03.all the attention, and then to find out the ainvestment is in there.
:10:03. > :10:07.isn't lovely attention? Unfortunately for the Archbishop I
:10:07. > :10:11.feel a little bit sorry for, he has been ill-advised in not knowing
:10:11. > :10:16.about this before he has made an announcement to attack a particular
:10:16. > :10:18.payday lender. Let me put this to, at least this lot are showing they
:10:18. > :10:22.have a conscience, they are wriggling and spinning around
:10:22. > :10:28.trying to make sense of what has been going on and giving
:10:28. > :10:33.commitments that they might change things but what 820% APR? I mean,
:10:33. > :10:36.surely you should be doing a little more squirming when these numbers
:10:36. > :10:40.have been brought so sharply into the light of day? It is an
:10:40. > :10:44.annoyance of mine, and every lender will say the same, we are very low,
:10:44. > :10:50.that is 66p a day. You have major lenders, such as the Archbishop has
:10:50. > :10:54.mentioned at 5,000%. But you are not disputing 820%? That is 66p a
:10:54. > :10:57.day. Every lender has to have an operating cost, that's themselves
:10:58. > :11:02.borrowing the money, plus the administration of lending it out,
:11:02. > :11:05.and the risk of actually not returning that money. Here is the
:11:05. > :11:08.problem, you are the acceptable face of this industry in a way, and
:11:08. > :11:13.the unacceptable face won't ever sit in that chair. They won't be
:11:13. > :11:17.questioned in this way. That's one of the problems. The other problem
:11:17. > :11:22.is as an Friday 50% of your money is made from people who can't pay
:11:22. > :11:26.the loans back initially. That is a real problem. Your business model
:11:26. > :11:29.of the payday loan industry is for people to default, for them to
:11:29. > :11:33.actually, you are building into what your business is people's
:11:33. > :11:37.failure and misery to pay the money back that's the moral problem?
:11:37. > :11:41.These loans have been going on for four years, the Government and the
:11:41. > :11:45.OFT have been well aware of the loans. They could have stepped in
:11:45. > :11:52.sooner with a rulebook to say there are principle rules that say they
:11:52. > :11:56.aren't allowed to roll over. An annoying thing is they don't do
:11:56. > :12:01.employier's checks, you have talk about people being unemployed, why
:12:01. > :12:04.lend to an unemployed people. won't hold you to account for
:12:04. > :12:07.people who do that. What is interesting is the church will step
:12:07. > :12:10.into the breach, how exactly is your campaign going to work?
:12:10. > :12:14.way I understand it, it is a fairly long-term campaign, we're not going
:12:14. > :12:18.to be the money lenders in this situation. We're going to be
:12:18. > :12:23.providing our facilities, our churches, and our expertise. It is
:12:23. > :12:27.part of your long-term plan is to facilitate Credit Unions, and.
:12:27. > :12:30.Facilitate. And we hear the church is prepared to lend money as well?
:12:30. > :12:33.I haven't heard that, I don't know that is the case. What I understand
:12:33. > :12:37.to be going on here is the church will use its outlets, we have more
:12:37. > :12:41.outlets than the banks have, to actually help encourage Credit
:12:41. > :12:43.Unions. This is not a command and control thing from the centre, this
:12:43. > :12:47.will be something that grows organically from the ground.
:12:47. > :12:50.have been told that the church is very prepared where it can't
:12:50. > :12:53.facilitate a Credit Union to step into the breach and say they will
:12:53. > :12:56.lend the money. That begs the question how are you going to look
:12:56. > :13:00.somebody in the face and say I know you are telling me you can't afford
:13:00. > :13:05.to pay the gas bill tomorrow we want this money back? That is a
:13:05. > :13:10.real problem. Why are you getting involved in this? I think it is a
:13:10. > :13:14.real problem. If we can undercut very substantially, in terms of
:13:14. > :13:18.interest rates. With a Credit Union it is like 28% or going up to 40%,
:13:18. > :13:22.the difference between that and 5,000% is a major difference for
:13:22. > :13:24.people. Are you worried about them putting you out of business? Not at
:13:25. > :13:28.all. Because it is going to probably damage them more so than
:13:28. > :13:32.anything else. The church is one place that people will always see
:13:32. > :13:36.as a solid reputation. Going around and collecting money on the doors
:13:36. > :13:40.to say you have not paid us, number one. We have also proven that we
:13:40. > :13:44.are the cheapest in the market on- line, and it so far people are
:13:44. > :13:47.still going elsewhere. People aren't searching. We will leave it
:13:47. > :13:51.there, Giles Coutts and Giles Fraser thank you very much indeed.
:13:51. > :13:55.Later in the programme, one year after the Olympics, why is there
:13:55. > :14:02.still a gap between men and women in the country when it comes to
:14:03. > :14:06.sport? Thousands are protesting on the streets of Cairo tonight. Most
:14:06. > :14:09.have turned out to support the generals who currently run the
:14:09. > :14:12.country, clashes with supporters of the ousted President Mohamed Morsi
:14:12. > :14:16.have also been taking place and some people have been killed. Mr
:14:16. > :14:20.Morsi is the country's first democratically elected President,
:14:21. > :14:23.and he's still being held by the military. New allegations were
:14:23. > :14:27.levelled against him today alleging close links with the Palestinian
:14:27. > :14:31.militant group, Hamas. The UN has called for his immediate release,
:14:31. > :14:36.but it really doesn't look like that's going to happen any time
:14:36. > :14:40.soon. First of all, tell us what happened on the streets of Egypt
:14:40. > :14:44.today? Well essentially the military called for protests in
:14:44. > :14:50.support of what they had done. And just eased the crowds out on toe
:14:50. > :14:53.the streets, they cancelled the very popular soap operas, Ramadan
:14:53. > :14:56.soap operas on TV to help the cause along. There was always the
:14:56. > :15:00.potential for trouble, there are still many thousands of people,
:15:00. > :15:05.particularly after Friday prayers, who support the Muslim Brotherhood,
:15:05. > :15:12.President Morsi, who was removed from power. And there was a natural
:15:12. > :15:16.potential for clashes n Alex sand dreeia, the port city of -- Alex
:15:16. > :15:19.sand dreeia, the port city of Egypt, there were bad incidents, five
:15:19. > :15:23.people killed and several dozen wounded. It is wrong to say that is
:15:23. > :15:27.an every-day event, but since the takeover by the military more than
:15:27. > :15:31.200 people have been killed in this type of political violence. Where
:15:31. > :15:35.does it leave the transition to democracy? It leaves the plan and
:15:35. > :15:39.the messy realities and how they might evolve, they are not
:15:39. > :15:43.necessarily the same thing. We know the plan, the acting President,
:15:43. > :15:46.Adly Mansour, laid it out a couple of weeks ago, it involved in the
:15:46. > :15:50.first place convening a group of people to amend the constitution,
:15:50. > :15:55.that was supposed to happen a few days ago, they did get together and
:15:55. > :15:58.started to tinker with the constitution. The first area there
:15:58. > :16:02.for altering the quality of Egyptian democracy as how they
:16:02. > :16:06.alter the constitution. The people of Egypt will decide on the 20th of
:16:06. > :16:10.November, we are told, under this plan, whether or not they accept
:16:11. > :16:16.the new constitution and assuming they say, yes, then this will be a
:16:16. > :16:19.parliamentary election campaign leading to elections early in
:16:19. > :16:24.February 2014. At some point after that there is meant to be a new
:16:24. > :16:27.President elected. But the key thing is will the military try to
:16:27. > :16:31.influence the Electoral Commission, the courts, other things we saw in
:16:31. > :16:35.the run-up to the presidential election, in particular last year
:16:35. > :16:38.to actually shape this process and make sure that only its chosen
:16:39. > :16:42.people get through to the ballot box. There is one missing phrase in
:16:42. > :16:45.all of this, the Muslim Brotherhood? Do they figure in the
:16:45. > :16:50.new democracy or not? When the takeover happened, and of course
:16:50. > :16:55.there were statements of concern and condemnation from overseas, it
:16:55. > :16:59.was said, oh yeah when we hold these elections anybody can run,
:16:59. > :17:03.including the Muslim Brotherhood. People who support them can't help
:17:03. > :17:08.noticing things like today's news that charges are being levelled
:17:08. > :17:12.against ex-President Morsi, on these ground of being too close
:17:12. > :17:16.with Hamas and being involved in a jail break where two people were
:17:16. > :17:19.killed. They fear a show trial may be in the offing and the
:17:19. > :17:22.criminalisation of their organisation may be one of the
:17:22. > :17:28.things the military will do if it wants to gain support. They will
:17:28. > :17:31.ask whether or not they will be able to run. How the interim
:17:31. > :17:35.Government manages these next steps, led by the military, will be the
:17:35. > :17:38.most telling factor about how quickly the transition to democracy
:17:39. > :17:42.will, in fact, occur. There has been both good and bad things of
:17:42. > :17:48.what we have seen so far. The degree to which the Muslim
:17:48. > :17:51.Brotherhood will be willing to and allowed to engage in political
:17:52. > :17:56.dialogue will be one of the most telling factors and one of the key
:17:56. > :18:02.things to watch in the coming weeks and months. We can guarantee with
:18:02. > :18:05.that sort of scenario continuing street violence and tensions and
:18:05. > :18:12.manoeuvrering between the army and the Muslim Brotherhood.
:18:12. > :18:15.A year on from 2012 Usain Bolt of back in action tonight, in the
:18:15. > :18:21.Olympic Stadium in Stratford. He hasn't lost his lustre, nor
:18:21. > :18:26.memories of the game. According to a ComRes poll for the BBC, more
:18:26. > :18:30.than two thirds of people believe the �8.77 billion cost of the
:18:30. > :18:37.Olympics was worth the money. Even though this was the games that made
:18:37. > :18:40.icons of Ennis, Pendleton, Grainger and Trott, was it the breakthrough
:18:40. > :18:50.games for British women? One gold medallist has been finding out for
:18:50. > :18:53.
:18:53. > :18:58.It was billed as the women's Olympics. More women's medals up
:18:58. > :19:08.for grabs than ever before. The first games where women could take
:19:08. > :19:14.
:19:14. > :19:19.part in every sport. We were inspiring a generation. For the
:19:19. > :19:24.first time Great Britain had nearly equal numbers of male and female
:19:24. > :19:28.athletesk but women won only 36% of the medals. There are more medal
:19:28. > :19:34.events for men than women. But in the two other top-performing
:19:34. > :19:44.countries, China and the US, women outperformed the men. Part the
:19:44. > :19:44.
:19:44. > :19:48.problems, it seems, is men are just more active than women. The Active
:19:48. > :19:53.People's Survey, carried out by Sport England suggests only 30% of
:19:53. > :19:57.people do 30 minutes of physical activity a week, that is compared
:19:57. > :20:03.to 40% of men. That is a problem that starts to develop as early as
:20:03. > :20:07.primary school. At the age of eight or nine boys and girls do similar
:20:07. > :20:11.levels of physical activity. By the time they reach 10 or 11 a gap has
:20:12. > :20:16.started to appear. I grew up in a really sporty family, my parents
:20:16. > :20:19.always encouraged me to be active. From an early age I developed a
:20:19. > :20:24.passion for football, rowing, tennis, but the health survey for
:20:24. > :20:29.England shows that only 12% of 14- year-old girls do enough physical
:20:30. > :20:34.activity to benefit their health. In your teenage years everyone
:20:34. > :20:38.feels very self-conscious so the degree in which you are forced to
:20:38. > :20:42.take part in front of boys and what you are wearing, a lot needs to be
:20:42. > :20:45.done around sheer encouragement. Around that related to role
:20:45. > :20:47.modelling. For girls who get involved in sport still, they are
:20:48. > :20:51.going against the grain of what their peers will be doing. It is
:20:51. > :20:56.alarming that lots of girls say to us that sport is really for boys.
:20:56. > :20:59.They certainly recognise that boys get more encouragement. We have a
:20:59. > :21:07.cultural issue to deal with. Even within that context there is a lot
:21:07. > :21:12.to be done. Get up, get down. Choice of
:21:12. > :21:16.activity is one thing that help. This lunchtime zumba club at a
:21:16. > :21:19.school in Stockport gets more than 70 girls turning up each week. The
:21:19. > :21:24.aim is to build their confidence and getting them doing something
:21:24. > :21:30.they might continue after they leave school. I'm not very good at
:21:30. > :21:34.sports where other people can beat me. Dancing and zumba are sports
:21:34. > :21:38.where you can be yourself and be free. It is not necessarily that
:21:38. > :21:42.the most sporty things, but it get you having fun and you don't
:21:42. > :21:46.necessarily have to think about if you are doing it right. It doesn't
:21:46. > :21:50.matter if you go wrong you can enjoy it. Boys generally prefer
:21:50. > :21:54.sports. They like the whole team aspect of it, and it is like
:21:54. > :22:00.getting stuck in, girls seem to be a bit more reserved, worried about
:22:00. > :22:04.getting the rules wrong. Women's Sport and Fitness
:22:04. > :22:08.Foundation wants schools to make sure all-girls, not just the
:22:08. > :22:14.talented few are active. Are activities like zumba just as
:22:14. > :22:17.important as competitive-based sports. If you get involved in
:22:17. > :22:20.something and start to be fitter and healthier, the evidence is you
:22:20. > :22:23.will start taking up other activities and maybe sport, maybe
:22:23. > :22:33.team sport, the important thing for most people is being active and I
:22:33. > :22:37.think that should be the priority. At grassroots level sports which
:22:37. > :22:44.increase participation are rewarded with more funding from the national
:22:44. > :22:49.body Sport England. Netball is one of the few women's sports that has
:22:49. > :22:57.managed to grow. The number of women playing has gone up by more
:22:57. > :23:01.than 30% over the past four years. Netball England say it is because
:23:01. > :23:03.they managed to target women who played at school and want a
:23:03. > :23:09.friendly low-key environment to take it up again. I played at
:23:09. > :23:13.school and within I left in year 11 I hadn't played since, and I came
:23:13. > :23:17.back last year and started up again. What made you start sport at that
:23:17. > :23:21.age? When I went to college and boys and socialising, I lost
:23:21. > :23:25.interest. And then having my own kids and watching them and then
:23:25. > :23:29.missing it really just spurred me on to think no I will get back into
:23:29. > :23:32.it. I was encouraging her and I was thinking I'm not doing anything
:23:32. > :23:36.myself. Sport England says it is focused on getting more women
:23:36. > :23:43.active, it admits it is difficult to calculate whether investment
:23:43. > :23:47.benefit men and women equally. of it is easy because some sports
:23:47. > :23:50.are dominated by women, like netball, and some are evenly
:23:50. > :23:54.balanced like swimming and cycling. A lot of the money we invest in
:23:54. > :23:57.grassroots sports goes into facilities. Although we are very
:23:57. > :24:00.clear those facilities can't discriminate in any way, neither
:24:00. > :24:04.can we say it is absolutely balanced men and women, or
:24:04. > :24:07.necessarily dictate the flow. It can be hard to calculate. I think
:24:07. > :24:10.we need to keep challenging ourselves, are we doing enough for
:24:11. > :24:17.women? Is the investment we are putting in really reaching men and
:24:17. > :24:24.women in a balanced way? In America the success of female athletes has
:24:24. > :24:27.been attributed to legislation called "title 9". The law bans sex
:24:27. > :24:30.discrimination in any school or college receiving federal funds.
:24:30. > :24:37.The result was a ten-fold increase in the number of girls playing
:24:37. > :24:41.sport. Funding is one thing, but there are other issues. Women's
:24:41. > :24:49.sport receives just 0.5% of all sports sponsorship in the UK and
:24:49. > :24:54.gets less than 5% of the total sports coverage. The media has a
:24:54. > :24:59.huge role to play in raising awareness of women's sport and
:24:59. > :25:03.promoting female role models. It was only after the games when I
:25:03. > :25:07.visited schools that I understood what the tag line "inspire a
:25:07. > :25:11.generation" really meant. It is an easy thing to say but athletes,
:25:11. > :25:15.governing bodies and the media need to follow up on that promise. If
:25:15. > :25:25.they don't there is a risk that the gap between British girls and boys
:25:25. > :25:29.in sport will never close in schools or at the Olympics. Joining
:25:29. > :25:33.us now from Bristol is Samantha Murray, who won silver in the
:25:33. > :25:37.modern pentathlon, the very last event at the 2012 Olympics. Thank
:25:37. > :25:42.you very much for being with us. If it is true what we have just heard
:25:43. > :25:48.in the report, that girls seem to be hard wired to steer away from
:25:48. > :25:52.competition at a certain age, isn't it a bit hopeless, how do you go
:25:52. > :25:57.about rewiring? A lot is to do with the media, what is conveyed to
:25:57. > :26:01.young girls from a very young age in terms of what's acceptable and
:26:01. > :26:05.what's popular to be. People, a lot of girls I remember when I was at
:26:05. > :26:09.school everyone becomes quite self- conscious when they get to 11 or 12
:26:09. > :26:12.in their teens, and that means we don't want to be a part of
:26:12. > :26:16.competitive sport and rembering back to my time at school the
:26:16. > :26:22.shower facilities, the changing rooms, it was all quite grimy. It
:26:22. > :26:26.did put me off the idea of getting sweaty during a PE lesson and going
:26:26. > :26:29.on to a maths lesson afterwards, when like image and fitting in with
:26:29. > :26:35.the crowd was more a priority at the time. So I think that something
:26:35. > :26:39.that is quite important for young girls is creating a positive image
:26:39. > :26:45.about female sports people. And that was something we definitely
:26:45. > :26:48.saw at the Olympic Games, however, I don't feel as an athlete that was
:26:48. > :26:51.really harnessed and embraced well enough after the games. That is
:26:51. > :26:56.fascinating, is it that girls who are at school, particularly if they
:26:56. > :26:59.are at mixed schools, they shouldly get the notion that to be
:26:59. > :27:03.competitive and aggressive is some how to be less feminine, is that
:27:03. > :27:07.what happens? Definitely, I definitely get that impression, and
:27:07. > :27:11.I have been to a lot of schools after the Olympic Games, and I have
:27:11. > :27:15.seen that so many girls are set back from being involved in the
:27:15. > :27:19.competitive sports and getting stuck in, in PE. That self-
:27:19. > :27:24.consciousness and the image is so important to them. I think the
:27:24. > :27:28.media have a big role to play in what they convey in terms of what
:27:29. > :27:32.it is to be female and what it is to be a powerful female. That's one
:27:32. > :27:35.of the messages I suppose that comes from the media, but the other
:27:35. > :27:39.is how much coverage there is. Now somebody who runs a channel will
:27:39. > :27:46.say I will only run it if people will watch it and they don't want
:27:46. > :27:51.to watch it? That is a Catch 22 I think. Because although you know we
:27:51. > :27:55.have seen the woman's World Cup -- Women's World Cup has been aired on
:27:55. > :27:58.BBC, that is fantastic. If not enough people watch it the demand
:27:59. > :28:05.isn't there and the media won't put it on TV or in the newspapers. It
:28:05. > :28:08.is a difficult thing. It is a culturalish u, we do need to try to
:28:08. > :28:12.improve everything and get people more interested in women's sports
:28:12. > :28:17.and get the women more interested, more competitive, and in doing so
:28:17. > :28:21.adapt that image that we see in the media. The media is a driving force
:28:21. > :28:24.and it can massively change young people's perspectives about what is
:28:24. > :28:27.important. It can give them the confidence to pursue avenues that
:28:27. > :28:31.they could be really interested in but they just feel shy about
:28:31. > :28:39.because it might not seem the popular thing to do. One of the
:28:39. > :28:44.interesting things is in America is they changed the law and made
:28:44. > :28:47.things 50-50, would you like to see that? It would have a knock-on
:28:47. > :28:51.effect, it wouldn't do any harm. Something that should be done is
:28:51. > :28:54.more schemes and initiatives in schools. It would be great if role
:28:54. > :28:59.models and Olympic medallists could go into schools and specialised
:29:00. > :29:04.coaches and run some programmes, some lessons where they teach
:29:04. > :29:14.taekwondo, Judo, modern pentathlon, Olympic sports not always
:29:14. > :29:16.
:29:16. > :29:26.accessible to young girls and accessible to young girls and
:29:26. > :30:04.
:30:04. > :30:07.students. Thank you very much. Now That is all we have time for this
:30:07. > :30:13.week, we are back on Monday of course, we will leave you with some
:30:13. > :30:22.classic music from the Rolling Stones from 1971, why? Why not? Sir
:30:22. > :30:26.Mick Jagger turned 70 today, good night.
:30:26. > :30:31.# Get down on your knees brown sugar
:30:31. > :30:36.# How come you taste so good # Ah get down on the ground
:30:36. > :30:44.# Brown sugar # Just like a young girl should
:30:44. > :30:46.# I bet your momma was a tent Queen # And all your girlfriends were
:30:46. > :30:51.sweet 16 # I'm no schoolboy
:30:51. > :31:00.# But I know what I like # You should heard me just around
:31:00. > :31:03.midnight Good evening, the weekend weather
:31:03. > :31:08.prospects a bit mixed to say the least. I suppose broadly sunshine
:31:08. > :31:11.and showers on Saturday. But rather more extensive rain rather than
:31:11. > :31:15.showers across some southern areas as the day wears on, it is more of
:31:15. > :31:17.a mix across the northern half of the UK. Particularly Scotland,
:31:17. > :31:21.Northern Ireland and northern England. Inbetween the showers,
:31:21. > :31:28.when you get the sunshine coming through, it should feel pleasantly
:31:28. > :31:32.warm. Temperatures getting up into the low 20s. Misty across the
:31:32. > :31:36.northern Isles. Prone to that mist and fog. Northern England, many
:31:36. > :31:40.places will miss the showers, it will be harder to miss the rain
:31:40. > :31:45.through the Midlands, East Anglia and much of southern England. Still
:31:45. > :31:48.warm air, temperatures getting up to the 20 degrees mark, it won't be
:31:48. > :31:53.terribly pleasant. The rain turning heavy later on. Devon and Cornwall
:31:53. > :31:56.might get away with a dry afternoon, as will many northern parts of
:31:56. > :32:00.Wales, for central and southern parts of Wales prone to patchy
:32:00. > :32:05.outbreaks of rain as the afternoon wears on. What about further
:32:05. > :32:08.afield? You will find heavy showers too in Oslo and Berlin, high
:32:08. > :32:12.temperatures, look 36 in Berlin, for the second half of the weekend,
:32:12. > :32:15.just as hot in Rome and Athens under the very strong sunshine. We