:00:14. > :00:17.Remember this? What happened is completely unacceptable, this is
:00:17. > :00:20.not the way we raise money in the Conservative Party, it shouldn't
:00:20. > :00:23.have happened, it is quite right that Peter Cruddas has resigned. I
:00:23. > :00:27.will make sure there is a proper party inquiry to make sure this
:00:27. > :00:31.can't happen again. That was March last year. Today Peter Cruddas won
:00:31. > :00:35.his libel action against the Sunday Times, when the court found he did
:00:35. > :00:42.not corruptly try to sell access to the Prime Minister. So is it time
:00:42. > :00:45.for Mr Cameron to apologise? Also tonight:
:00:45. > :00:48.Newsnight goes climbing the turbines of the Humber, they are a
:00:48. > :00:53.giant economic success story for Denmark. In terms of the
:00:53. > :00:57.Government's performance in off- shore wind strategy it has been an
:00:57. > :01:00.F-grade. They have given consistently conflicting messages,
:01:00. > :01:04.this was supposed to be the greenest Government ever? They
:01:04. > :01:07.campaigned on that, it has just been confusing. Perhaps the Energy
:01:07. > :01:11.Minister can explain. After 33 years in power Robert
:01:11. > :01:15.Mugabe still feels he has more to offer the long-suffering people of
:01:15. > :01:22.Zimbabwe. They have been going to the polls today, anyone like to
:01:22. > :01:29.guess who will win. If you let me speak to the people of the UK, go
:01:29. > :01:37.Arsenal. Why has Ang Lee taken up the virtual begging bowl to fund
:01:37. > :01:43.his next movie! -- why has Spike Leely taken up the virtual begging
:01:43. > :01:46.bowl to fund his next movie. The Sunday Times claimed that Mr
:01:46. > :01:49.Cruddas a former co-treasurer for the Conservative Party was
:01:49. > :01:52.supposedly in the business of corruptly selling access to the
:01:52. > :01:56.Prime Minister. He was dropped within two hours by his political
:01:56. > :02:00.friends. While today in the High Court Mr Cruddas won his libel
:02:00. > :02:03.action against the Sunday Times for publishing what he called malicious
:02:03. > :02:08.lies. The judge said that because of the false newspaper report the
:02:08. > :02:11.Prime Minister had subjected Peter Cruddas to massive public
:02:11. > :02:15.humiliation. Is there something seriously wrong with a political
:02:15. > :02:18.system in which people are rapidly tried, convicted and punished by
:02:18. > :02:22.the politicians, when what is necessary is to wait for the
:02:22. > :02:28.reasonable process of the law to find out the facts. We have been
:02:28. > :02:33.talking to Peter Cruddas. It looked like a scandal thought up
:02:33. > :02:37.in central casting, a Conservative donor caught on camera bragging
:02:37. > :02:42.that cash would buy you a place in the court of David Cameron.
:02:42. > :02:46.�100,000 is not Premier League. It is not bad, it is probably bottom
:02:46. > :02:51.of the Premier League. �200,000, �250,000 is Premier League. Within
:02:51. > :02:57.two hours of these front pages dropping Peter Cruddas, Tory
:02:57. > :03:01.treasurer for years, was treasureed by the Tory Party no more. What
:03:01. > :03:04.happened is completely unacceptable, this is not the way we raise money
:03:04. > :03:07.in the Conservative Party. It shouldn't have happened, it is
:03:07. > :03:10.quite right that Peter Cruddas has resigned. I will make sure there is
:03:10. > :03:14.a proper party inquiry to make sure this can't happen again. The party
:03:14. > :03:18.moved to distance themselves, and Peter Cruddas lost his unpaid Tory
:03:18. > :03:23.job within hours. Since no questions were asked of him, Peter
:03:23. > :03:28.Cruddas lost his respect for the party. Over the last 16 months he
:03:28. > :03:33.has fought the story in the High Court. Today a judge found in his
:03:33. > :03:38.favour. The judge found that Peter Cruddas's taped comments were in
:03:38. > :03:41.fact descriptions of agreed and legal party donations policy. The
:03:41. > :03:51.judge also revealed that elsewhere in the full transcript Mr Cruddas
:03:51. > :04:12.
:04:12. > :04:16.Today Peter Cruddas believes he's bested the newspaper that stung him.
:04:16. > :04:23.Now he's turning his sights on the Conservatives. The fact of the
:04:23. > :04:26.matter if you look at the sequence of events the party drafted my
:04:26. > :04:32.resignation statement, they issued it and really since then I haven't
:04:32. > :04:37.had any other contact. It is not closure for me. Because off the
:04:37. > :04:42.back of the story the Conservative Party decided that they were going
:04:42. > :04:47.to ostracise me, not support me and not only that they lined up to
:04:47. > :04:50.criticise me. Unfortunately the damage to my reputation was
:04:50. > :04:54.increased by their behaviour. this is the party that you have had
:04:54. > :04:59.a decade or more relationship with and then they judged you within two
:04:59. > :05:03.hours, through the media, how can you continue to have a functional
:05:03. > :05:07.relationship with them? I don't know. I don't know if I can, to be
:05:07. > :05:11.honest, but what I do know is I need closure and the fact of the
:05:11. > :05:16.matter is that I have been heavily criticised by them. They didn't
:05:16. > :05:20.know the facts. Perhaps they would like one day to hear my side of the
:05:20. > :05:25.story. I would be happy to tell them, or better still, why don't
:05:25. > :05:35.they read the judgment and see for themselves. The Sunday Times
:05:35. > :05:47.
:05:47. > :05:52.Do you think that if they offered you your old role back you would
:05:52. > :05:55.take it? Oh my God. What a question that is. I mean you know, six hours
:05:55. > :05:59.ago I was in the High Court, I was getting the judgment handed down to
:05:59. > :06:05.me, that is a massive feeling of relief, the dark cloud has lifted.
:06:05. > :06:11.I want to enjoy that moment. I honestly haven't thought about that.
:06:11. > :06:16.I mean I thought the party has disowned me, ignoring the fact that
:06:16. > :06:20.I won no to AV with them, and with the team I injected a lot of cash.
:06:20. > :06:23.I have supported David Cameron and given the Conservative Party �1.2
:06:24. > :06:31.million since David Cameron became leader. Do you think had you been
:06:31. > :06:38.one of David Cameron's mates, part of the famous cuum-oxcy, you would
:06:38. > :06:42.have been street -- chum-ocracy, you would be treated differently?
:06:42. > :06:47.Before this Mr Cameron treated me very nicely and well, I don't know
:06:47. > :06:51.why this happened, I never felt, I know that you know, I know why you
:06:51. > :06:54.are asking the question, he went to Eton and I went to Shoreditch
:06:54. > :07:01.Comprehensive. I actually found that Mr Cameron was always very
:07:01. > :07:07.fair to me and very supportive up until this incident. Why do you
:07:07. > :07:15.think he's backed someone like Lord Fellman who is accused of saying
:07:15. > :07:20.very damaging words that the party was "swivel-eyed loons", but so
:07:20. > :07:24.swift to dismiss you? That is a question I'm going to want answered.
:07:24. > :07:29.Will you vote Conservatives? Yes, I'm a Conservative always was and
:07:29. > :07:34.always will be, you can thank Lady Thatcher for that. No way UKIP for
:07:34. > :07:37.you? No.When the story broke the Prime Minister dropped Peter
:07:37. > :07:41.Cruddas after more than two hours. Today more than two hours after the
:07:41. > :07:44.new judgment Peter Cruddas has still not heard from the Prime
:07:44. > :07:48.Minister. David Cameron's team might want to reach out, his party
:07:48. > :07:52.is perceived as upper-class and out-of-touch. And there is one boy
:07:52. > :07:57.from Shoreditch Comprehensive who is keen to make friends again.
:07:57. > :08:01.It is obviously what he wants, he wants an apology from David Cameron,
:08:01. > :08:04.is he going to get it? It doesn't look like it right now. It is
:08:04. > :08:09.difficult to tell, all the key sources are on beaches in far flung
:08:09. > :08:14.places. They are not in policy drafting mode. But today we had a
:08:14. > :08:18.sign from the Tory Party chairman, who was asked seven-times to
:08:18. > :08:23.apologise on camera, he ducked and weaved and didn't apologise, it
:08:23. > :08:27.might have been, many you would say, easy. There are many colleagues who
:08:27. > :08:33.think just go ahead and do it. People who spoke again this evening
:08:33. > :08:38.to me who think he has been treated badly by dick defence and kicking
:08:38. > :08:45.him out after -- quick defensive, kicking him out after two hours.
:08:45. > :08:50.They think on a political level he is somebody who is not obviously a
:08:50. > :08:53.close friend of David Camerons or an old Etonian, and that is
:08:53. > :09:01.something that the party had massive problems and it wouldn't
:09:01. > :09:04.just be good manners it would be good politics to make amends.
:09:04. > :09:08.Conservative peer Lord Howell hit the headlines when he suggested
:09:08. > :09:12.fracking would be appropriate in the north-east of England because
:09:12. > :09:15.it was so desolate there. He has apologised and now claims he meant
:09:15. > :09:20.the North West. Tomorrow we will hear of another potential energy
:09:20. > :09:26.source producing jobs. The Government is due to launch its
:09:26. > :09:31.off-shore wind strategy, aimed at filling energy needs and creating
:09:31. > :09:40.jobs. It has certainly helped German and Danish workers. We have
:09:40. > :09:50.gone in search of those elusive green jobs.
:09:50. > :09:54.
:09:54. > :10:04.This may take some time. He has a rather long way to go. He is
:10:04. > :10:08.
:10:08. > :10:15.climbing an offshore wind turbine, taller than the London Eye. Out at
:10:15. > :10:25.sea, distances can be deceptive. This turbine's closest neighbour is
:10:25. > :10:32.500ms away. This is the new Lincs Windfarm, providing power to
:10:32. > :10:36.200,000 homes. Keeping the turbines turning is now the job of
:10:36. > :10:41.maintenance workers based at Grimsby docks. Many of them are ex-
:10:41. > :10:46.military. I think they are fantastic, I really do. I just
:10:46. > :10:52.think they are very peaceful to look at. There is something almost
:10:52. > :10:58.hypnotic about it. You just are harnessing mother nature.
:10:58. > :11:03.mother nature doesn't come cheap. This wind farm cost investors,
:11:03. > :11:10.including Centrica, �1 billion. No wonder this industry is subsidised.
:11:10. > :11:15.But apart from electricity, what is the taxpayer getting for its money?
:11:15. > :11:20.Well not the lion's share of the jobs. The turbines were built in
:11:20. > :11:25.Denmark. That is hardly surprising, there are no turbine manufacturers
:11:25. > :11:30.in the UK. Centrica says it is investing in the local work force.
:11:30. > :11:35.We have employed 100 individuals, predominantly locally there in
:11:35. > :11:38.highly-skilled jobs, engineering, technicians, vessel-type jobs. We
:11:38. > :11:42.are having a very positive impact in the local area. But you are
:11:42. > :11:46.still having to rely on the Germans and Danes when it comes to
:11:46. > :11:50.installation? To a certain extent we have to, to be honest. The
:11:50. > :11:57.technology is currently being constructed in Denmark and we have
:11:57. > :12:01.to bring that expertise in. That expertise is being flown in every
:12:01. > :12:07.day. Humberside Airport's only year-round international connection
:12:07. > :12:11.is from Amsterdam. The three daily KLM flights bring in Scandinavian
:12:11. > :12:17.off-shore workers. Such is the demand that soon there will be a
:12:17. > :12:20.daily flight from Copenhagen. Is it a good job? Yeah.Well paid?
:12:20. > :12:24.Of course. How long do you think you will be here for? For us it is
:12:24. > :12:30.only four weeks. Do you know which wind farm you will be working on?
:12:30. > :12:39.No. We don't know that yet. It is the first trip here so ...You
:12:39. > :12:43.from Sweden? Yeah. Legend has it that it was a Danish
:12:43. > :12:48.fisherman called Grim, who founded Grimsby in the 19th sent treatment
:12:48. > :12:53.by the mid-20th century it claimed to be the world's biggest fishing
:12:53. > :12:57.port. In this decaying factory they once manufactured ice to keep the
:12:57. > :13:05.catch fresh. The hope is that the docks can once again attract a
:13:05. > :13:09.large work force, this time in the offshore wind industry. For that to
:13:09. > :13:13.happen this renewable energy consultant says more must be done
:13:13. > :13:18.to recruit local people into the offshore jobs. Here on the Humber
:13:18. > :13:23.we have a long tradition, our economy is largely built around the
:13:23. > :13:27.marine industry, we have a wealth of experience and expertise in the
:13:27. > :13:30.oil and gas sector. It needs a firm commitment from the Government to
:13:30. > :13:34.the industry so employers can put their hand in the pocket and take
:13:34. > :13:38.the risk of spending tens of thousands of pounds to train
:13:38. > :13:41.somebody up to get them out there. Right now it is such an uncertain
:13:41. > :13:45.market it is dominated by contractors, people you can bring
:13:45. > :13:48.in and out when you need to. this industry certainty is all
:13:48. > :13:54.about knowing how much the Government will pay for electricity
:13:54. > :13:57.and how much electricity they actually want. After a long wait,
:13:57. > :14:02.long-term subsidy rates were recently' nounsed. But how much
:14:02. > :14:07.wind power the Government -- recently announced. How much wind
:14:07. > :14:13.power the Government wants is unclear. Today they generate 3.3
:14:13. > :14:16.gigawatts, the target for 2020 is 16 gigawatts, or 10% of the
:14:16. > :14:19.Government's generation capacity. Beyond that the industry says
:14:19. > :14:23.Government projections are uncertain. There is nothing
:14:23. > :14:28.abstract about the figures. They will help determine how many UK
:14:28. > :14:34.jobs are created. For example, at this dockyard in Hull it could be
:14:34. > :14:40.the site of Britain's first-ever turbine factory. Seem mens have
:14:40. > :14:44.been eying it up for the last -- sem mens have been eying it up for
:14:44. > :14:48.the last five years. But the Government wants more clarity from
:14:48. > :14:54.Government. At a community centre close to the site, this group are
:14:54. > :14:59.learning what it feels like to operate a digger using a simulator.
:14:59. > :15:03.They hope that one day they can help build the factory. Have you
:15:03. > :15:08.heard about this promise of green jobs in the area? Yeah, I read
:15:08. > :15:13.about it a few times in the paper. About like the wind turbine farms
:15:13. > :15:17.and how much job opportunities it will create. But it was like a big
:15:17. > :15:21.hype about a year ago and then it has just gone totally quiet, we
:15:21. > :15:25.haven't heard anything else since then. When we first heard about it
:15:25. > :15:28.I finished my apprenticeship in Brick Lane, and then I thought,
:15:28. > :15:34.great, there will be jobs for building the factory and stuff like
:15:34. > :15:39.that. What does all this talk of renewable mean, how important is it
:15:39. > :15:43.to the region? This region could survive because of it. Really we
:15:43. > :15:53.are not doing very well for ourselves. We could do a lot better.
:15:53. > :15:55.
:15:55. > :16:00.With this it would change everything. It is not just Hull
:16:00. > :16:04.that's hoping the factory comes, Tata Steel in Scunthorpe produces
:16:04. > :16:09.the steel plates that end up in the turbine, they are shipped overseas
:16:09. > :16:15.where manufacturers mould them into turbine towers. There is no
:16:16. > :16:20.guarantee that Seimens would buy their steel from here. Tata wants
:16:20. > :16:24.the Government to make local firms buy the supply chains. It needs to
:16:24. > :16:31.make clear to inward investors that they have a responsibility to the
:16:31. > :16:35.communities they are investing in. And secondly, the measures around
:16:35. > :16:41.local content and the wider economic benefit that they bring to
:16:41. > :16:47.the community need to be really well-defined, transparent and be
:16:47. > :16:50.able to be reported. Newsnight understands that tomorrow's
:16:50. > :16:54.strategy will propose that developers of large wind farms be
:16:55. > :16:59.required to provide the Government with a detailed supply plan. In
:16:59. > :17:05.other words, ministers are trying to link tax-payers' subsidies and
:17:05. > :17:08.UK jobs. Some though want the Government to go further and follow
:17:08. > :17:12.Europe's lead. Their ministers get practically involved in deals, they
:17:12. > :17:22.actually go out there and look out for local companies, we have just
:17:22. > :17:25.
:17:25. > :17:29.simply not had that to date from this Government. The links turbines
:17:29. > :17:32.are getting their final check -- the links turbines are getting
:17:32. > :17:38.their final checks by Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, who will
:17:38. > :17:41.officially open the farm, today he spoke of an Industrial Revolution
:17:41. > :17:44.led by the wind industry. The challenge now is to make that
:17:44. > :17:49.revolution British. The Energy Minister, Michael Fallon,
:17:49. > :17:53.is here. First of all you know this, you saw the flights coming in,
:17:53. > :17:57.bringing in Danes and Swedes and Germans and so on. Why not more
:17:57. > :18:01.British jobs for British workers? They were first into the wind farm,
:18:01. > :18:06.all this should have started years ago, they started meeting their
:18:06. > :18:12.renewables targets much earlier than we did. Catching up, there are
:18:12. > :18:16.4,000 jobs already in Britain, the foundations are made in Billing ham,
:18:16. > :18:21.and the steel work in Great Yarmouth. The strategy we are
:18:21. > :18:24.publishing tomorrow will require new developers putting up new
:18:24. > :18:28.turbines to have a supply chain plan that makes sure more of the
:18:28. > :18:32.work is done in Britain. We are publishing tomorrow more incentives
:18:32. > :18:37.for the foreign manufacturers, like Seimens to do their manufacturing,
:18:38. > :18:42.their fabrication, their assembly, the installation work in Britain.
:18:42. > :18:50.Do you think that would happen, the Seimens deal would be very big,
:18:50. > :18:54.will that happen? We have worked hard to get Siemens into the Humber,
:18:54. > :18:57.we want more assembly work done by them. It creates more jobs for the
:18:57. > :19:03.small businesses and the rest of the supply chain. There are 4,000
:19:03. > :19:10.at the moment. We hope to get that up to 30,000. This is the beginning
:19:10. > :19:13.of the North Sea oil in the 1970s. Why an F-grade, confusion, lack of
:19:13. > :19:17.leadership? We published the prices now, we brought that forward. The
:19:17. > :19:20.industry knows the support price that will be available if they want
:19:20. > :19:23.to invest. We have the legislation going through parliament at the
:19:23. > :19:27.moment. I know it has been frustrating, everybody wants
:19:27. > :19:31.clarity. We have published the prices right through to 2020, so
:19:31. > :19:34.the industry knows the background in which it can invest, there is
:19:35. > :19:38.more clarity and certainty now for people who want to take these
:19:38. > :19:42.decisions. Is part of this, implicit in the film of the bar
:19:42. > :19:46.again, we as tax-payers will pay for this, it will be clean energy,
:19:46. > :19:56.more expensive, but that will create a lot of employment. Have
:19:56. > :19:59.you had a figure of how many jobs? We think we can have jobs right
:19:59. > :20:03.across the east coast of Scotland and England and all the way down,
:20:03. > :20:07.30,000 jobs. Developments also in the Irish Sea and Scotland as well.
:20:07. > :20:10.Around 30,000 jobs in total. There is no form of cheap, free energy.
:20:10. > :20:14.If you want people to invest in wind turbines, like nuclear, that
:20:14. > :20:18.has to be paid for and you have to give them some certainty they will
:20:18. > :20:22.get their money back years ahead. The other energy question, which
:20:22. > :20:26.has been raised, yet again today, by Lord Howell, was this question
:20:26. > :20:30.of tracking. He said it would be appropriate in the north-east
:20:30. > :20:34.because it is desolate there. He has apologised and said he meant
:20:34. > :20:38.the North West. He right about the prospects for fracking and the fact
:20:38. > :20:43.we should get on with it? We should certainly get on with it. We know
:20:43. > :20:47.already there is probably twice as much shale gas in the north as we
:20:47. > :20:52.originally thought. We are having another study doing done on the
:20:52. > :20:55.second-largest basin in the south, Dorset, Sussex and Kent, we will
:20:56. > :21:00.publish an investment in the spring. It looks like there is more shale
:21:00. > :21:03.gas here than anybody realises. It looks like it is thicker than the
:21:04. > :21:07.shale in the United States where there have been dramatic reductions
:21:07. > :21:11.in people's gas bills and cost of energy for business. We don't know
:21:11. > :21:15.if we can get it out as efficient low as cheaply as they have been
:21:15. > :21:18.able to get it out in the United States. That is the purpose of the
:21:18. > :21:21.explorations. You used the word "frustration" about some of the
:21:21. > :21:24.things we have seen in Lincolnshire. There will be frustration from
:21:24. > :21:28.those in the industry. We will get on to the environmental concerns,
:21:28. > :21:33.but you are not getting on with the fracking quickly enough? We have
:21:34. > :21:37.put the tax ray genome in, the planning system is simplified, we
:21:37. > :21:43.make sure they know the permits from the Environment Agency. There
:21:43. > :21:49.are 170 licenses out there, there is nothing stopping developers
:21:49. > :21:58.going and exploring now, digging the exploratory we wills and asking
:21:58. > :22:03.permission to -- well -- exploratory wells and asking
:22:03. > :22:06.permission to do that. There is the issue of Lord Howell? He has
:22:06. > :22:11.apologised. Shale is in the north and south, some in Scotland, some
:22:11. > :22:15.of it all over the country. One- nation fracking we shall have?
:22:15. > :22:18.Indeed, we are sitting on the shale, we do owe it to the next generation
:22:18. > :22:22.to go down there and find out whether we can extract it and
:22:22. > :22:26.whether this is a new large source of cheap energy. One final point,
:22:26. > :22:29.while you are here. David Cameron's been asked to apologise for Peter
:22:29. > :22:33.Cruddas, I wondered what your thoughts on that, whether he should
:22:34. > :22:38.or not? Peter Cruddas has won his action against the Sunday Times, it
:22:38. > :22:42.is the Sunday Times who should have been apologising, they have
:22:43. > :22:46.libelled him badly. They should apologise. He has been dropped like
:22:47. > :22:50.a hot potato by Mr Cameron? resigned precisely to establish
:22:51. > :22:54.that there was no link between donations to the Conservative Party
:22:54. > :22:57.and any influence over policy. judgment was quick by the Prime
:22:57. > :23:00.Minister? The judgment was pretty clear that he was libelled by the
:23:00. > :23:03.Sunday Times, it is the Sunday Times that owes him the biggest
:23:03. > :23:06.apology of all. Thank you very much.
:23:06. > :23:10.There have been further developments in the row about rape
:23:10. > :23:14.threats against women on Twitter, Paul Mason has been on the case.
:23:14. > :23:20.Let's start with the police developments first of all? The man
:23:20. > :23:22.from South Shields, the 25-year-old arrested yesterday, after
:23:22. > :23:26.Newsnight's investigation, identified the source, the apparent
:23:26. > :23:30.source of one of the Twitter rape threat accounts has been released
:23:30. > :23:33.on bail. He was arrested on suspicion of harassment. That's the
:23:33. > :23:37.first thing. There have been more threats today? There have been more
:23:37. > :23:42.threat. There have been more rape threats against the usual women,
:23:42. > :23:45.there have been worryingly death threats, a specific death threat
:23:45. > :23:49.issued against five people. Caroline Criado-Perez, the
:23:49. > :23:56.campaigner, Stella Cerasy MP, and three other women in public life
:23:56. > :24:01.got this today. This is car bomb outside your house, don't call the
:24:01. > :24:05.police we will blow you up, around about now. So distressing as this
:24:05. > :24:09.is, and ludicrous at one level, it is a crime. The police are having
:24:09. > :24:13.to investigate these crimes. I have talked to the Metropolitan Police
:24:13. > :24:18.today, they have spade the problem, they are certainly taking that
:24:18. > :24:23.seriously. The problem is they are even now, only at the stage of
:24:23. > :24:27."scoping" the investigation into the original flurry of on-line rape
:24:27. > :24:32.threats over the weekend. That means they don't even know how many
:24:32. > :24:35.perpetrators there are. There is no, for example, "operation this or
:24:36. > :24:40.that". There is no name for the operation. That is how much work
:24:40. > :24:43.lies ahead of them. We got into last night this whole question of
:24:43. > :24:47.how can you technically block some of the stuff, or stop it, there is
:24:47. > :24:50.evidence yet again of how tricky this is going to be? I'm hoping
:24:50. > :24:53.there is not a lot of our viewers who have no idea what we are
:24:53. > :24:57.talking about. But people who can use Twitter can block people
:24:57. > :25:02.individually. The idea is if it completes itself the best way would
:25:02. > :25:05.be -- if it can police itself, the best way is to get together
:25:05. > :25:10.collectively and let's make a list and throw them off, or keep them to
:25:10. > :25:16.one side, blocked. We looked at one technology that does that last
:25:16. > :25:21.tight night. It has been interesting -- night. It works on
:25:21. > :25:26.levels, violent rape threats, abusers and those who are just
:25:26. > :25:30.annoying. I have been contacted today by numerous people, internet
:25:30. > :25:33.Twitter people who say they have been put on the annoying list, and
:25:34. > :25:37.been through many of the serious ones but the people on the annoying
:25:37. > :25:44.list see that as a form of harassment, because they have been
:25:44. > :25:47.named in the same ball park as serious stuff. So it is a said/she
:25:47. > :25:51.said situation. Why does it matter and to people watching, because the
:25:51. > :25:55.police are asking Twitter and its users to police themselves. But it
:25:55. > :25:59.just gets you into all kinds of confusion that I have been spending
:25:59. > :26:03.all day today trying to get through, it is almost impossible. Last
:26:04. > :26:06.night's Newsnight caused a bit of a stir on Twitter? It did, in the
:26:06. > :26:11.studio there was this debate between Stella Cerasy and Toby
:26:11. > :26:16.Young the journalist, during that debate, somebody in the Scottish
:26:16. > :26:20.police force used the Scottish police official account to tweet
:26:20. > :26:24.this, Stella Cerasy had called him into account about his tweet over a
:26:24. > :26:30.female MP's breasts, I think we will let our viewers read for
:26:30. > :26:33.themselves what the police official account said about Toby Young.
:26:33. > :26:38.There will be somebody helping the Scottish police with their
:26:38. > :26:42.inquiries over that. It has been withdrawn. The problem is, for all
:26:42. > :26:45.of that, watch what you tweet. Tweet safely? But there is some
:26:45. > :26:50.serious stuff out there. Thank you very much.
:26:50. > :26:54.A cartoon in today's Times newspaper gives a flavour of how
:26:54. > :26:57.Zimbabwe's election today is seen in many parts of the world, the
:26:57. > :27:01.cartoon President Robert Mugabe says he would like to thank the
:27:01. > :27:05.people of Zimbabwe for his election victory tomorrow. At 89 years old
:27:05. > :27:09.he's Africa's longest-serving leader and reports that eight
:27:09. > :27:19.million ballot papers have been printed for an license rate of just
:27:19. > :27:21.
:27:21. > :27:27.over six million. Suggest -- a population of just over six million.
:27:28. > :27:32.He talks about the ballot box. Robert Mugabe do swear that I will
:27:32. > :27:35.be faithful...To Some Mugabe is the ultimate cartoon villain, a
:27:35. > :27:42.ruthless leader who has used violence and electoral fraud to
:27:42. > :27:46.cling to power for 33 years in Zimbabwe. He was lauded by royalty
:27:46. > :27:51.when sworn in as the new country's leader. The former liberation
:27:51. > :27:54.fighter like Nelson Mandela initially brought hopes of
:27:54. > :27:59.reconciliation between black Zimbabwean and white. Within a few
:27:59. > :28:04.years he put down a small rebellion by former guerrillas with such
:28:04. > :28:08.violence thousands of civilians were killed. Then came the land
:28:08. > :28:12.reclaimation programme, which saw thousands of white farmers evicted.
:28:12. > :28:16.Their land handed to Mugabe cronies. Western sanctions followed, that
:28:16. > :28:23.plus mismanagement brought about economic collapse. Hyperinflation
:28:23. > :28:30.and a basket base currency. By the end of the last decade millions had
:28:30. > :28:33.fled the country and 40% of those remaining were reliant on food aid.
:28:33. > :28:36.Opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai stepped forward to take on the
:28:36. > :28:39.increasing tyrannical regime. But after an organised campaign of
:28:39. > :28:45.violence in which hundreds of his supporters were killed, injured or
:28:45. > :28:52.jailed, he pulled out of the rigged 2008 elections. Mugabe eventually
:28:52. > :28:55.agreed to share power, and the two men have led an uneasy coalition
:28:55. > :28:59.since 2009. These days things appear brighter in Zimbabwe, where
:28:59. > :29:05.the economy has stablised and today's election has been conducted
:29:05. > :29:11.without the violence of the past. At 89 Robert Mugabe promised voting
:29:11. > :29:15.would be free and fair he will step down if defeated. Years ago he
:29:16. > :29:22.promised to turn the grand Government house into an orphanage,
:29:22. > :29:26.the first of many promises he would break. Observers in Zimbabwe
:29:26. > :29:29.reported a large turnout, with elections passing peacefully.
:29:29. > :29:34.Morgan Tsvangirai appeared confident as he cast his vote
:29:34. > :29:38.earlier, his party has expressed concern over alleged irregularities
:29:38. > :29:44.on the voters' role. Counting was due to begin tonight, it is thought
:29:44. > :29:51.the results could be close with the candidates facing the prospect of a
:29:51. > :29:54.run-off election. I'm joined by my guests in the studio.
:29:54. > :29:58.If Tsvangirai win, will Mugabe leave power? Tsvangirai is not
:29:58. > :30:04.going to win the election, because there is no evidence that suggests
:30:04. > :30:07.that he will. You need to turn the argument in slightly different ways.
:30:07. > :30:10.Presumably you believe the people have a chance to vote. There must
:30:10. > :30:14.be a chance for Tsvangirai to win? There isn't a chance, because the
:30:14. > :30:20.evidence tells us something else. What does it tell you? If we look
:30:20. > :30:26.at the pattern of the prime rows across all political parties, the
:30:26. > :30:30.participation of members of the public at all rallies, the evidence
:30:30. > :30:36.provided by independent pollsters not ones associated with any
:30:36. > :30:43.political institutions, over the last year or so, they all indicate
:30:43. > :30:48.ZANU-PF victory. That is my starting point. So the Times
:30:48. > :30:51.cartoon is right, thank you for the victory tomorrow? The odds are
:30:52. > :30:55.stacked against Morgan Tsvangirai, there is ballot rigging and a
:30:55. > :30:59.campaign to manipulate the ballot with millions of extra voters,
:30:59. > :31:03.keeping out the young voters and inflating the numbers of elderly
:31:03. > :31:06.and rural voters more likely to support Mugabe. In 23
:31:06. > :31:16.constituencies there is more people on the register that live there.
:31:16. > :31:16.
:31:16. > :31:24.There is 109,000 people over 100, there is 129% of votes than should
:31:24. > :31:28.be there. Dead people can vote? Just a month ago there is a
:31:28. > :31:33.referendum where they went around campaigning for the yes vote. They
:31:33. > :31:37.used the same voters' role. In the coalition Government the MDC that
:31:37. > :31:42.knew the election would take place this month, this year, July, did
:31:42. > :31:47.nothing to contest those figures, to contest the ballot papers. If I
:31:47. > :31:54.could just finish. Every time the MDC makes these allegations, when
:31:54. > :32:02.you ask them to produce the evidence that cor relates the
:32:02. > :32:07.evidence to the claim of ballot rig, -- co-relates the evidence of the
:32:07. > :32:11.claim of ballot rigging. It is possible the MDC will lose? If it
:32:11. > :32:15.was a free election. It is more likely the MDC will win
:32:15. > :32:18.convincingly. The truth is it is not just the MDC saying this, it is
:32:18. > :32:22.independent auditors who have been through it and come up with the
:32:22. > :32:25.same thing. Indeed when I was there, I was given internal papers
:32:25. > :32:31.belonging to the highest levels of security explaining precisely how
:32:31. > :32:35.they were going to rig the election, who was funding it and the
:32:35. > :32:40.mechanisms they were using to do it. It is a total manipulation of the
:32:40. > :32:44.register, it has gown on before? Just a minute, let me look at this,
:32:44. > :32:49.the Catholic justice committee, not a firm friend of ZANU-PF today has
:32:49. > :32:54.issued a statement that the election is free and fair. Others
:32:54. > :32:59.say the same, the Chinese have said the same, the AU is saying the same.
:32:59. > :33:04.I want to see the evidence that backs up the allegations and claims
:33:04. > :33:09.that he this make. I haven't seen it. I printed it for you, it shows
:33:09. > :33:12.the Chinese are helping ZANU-PF steal the election. The Chinese are
:33:12. > :33:17.there. It is telling of the election observers allowed into the
:33:17. > :33:22.country the UN was not allowed in the EU of not allowed in, the Jimmy
:33:22. > :33:26.Carter Centre was not allowed in, who was allowed in? Belarus, Iran,
:33:26. > :33:30.China, Venezuela, they are not bastions of democracy. They are the
:33:30. > :33:35.sort of countries allowed in? need to distinguish between the
:33:35. > :33:40.hate campaign. It is not a hate campaign, it is support for
:33:40. > :33:44.democracy. The hate campaign against, the kind of demonisation
:33:44. > :33:50.of the institution, that is the favourite hobby horse of western
:33:50. > :33:54.institutions. There are 600 observer people within Zimbabwe,
:33:54. > :33:58.they know Zimbabwe. Western diplomats are in Zimbabwe, they
:33:58. > :34:01.know it. What is it that the west sees that the rest of Africa
:34:02. > :34:07.doesn't see what is this claim, what is this claim? The answer is
:34:07. > :34:11.easy to that, in 2002 you wrote that Robert Mugabe was a person
:34:11. > :34:14.best placed to improve public services there, and to prevent HIV
:34:14. > :34:18.AIDS from ripping through the country, five years later after the
:34:18. > :34:23.man you supported had been in Government it had the second worst
:34:23. > :34:30.hyper-inflation in history, it had no food in the shops, hospitals
:34:30. > :34:33.with doors looked and the life expectancy had halved. It is not us
:34:34. > :34:37.who are demonising Robert Mugabe, it is the people there suffering
:34:37. > :34:41.very, very badly, and have suffered underneath him, they are the people
:34:41. > :34:45.who are angry. In 2008, let's not forget, it was Robert Mugabe's
:34:45. > :34:49.forces and the generals really running the country behind him who
:34:49. > :34:55.unleashed the most hidious violence against ordinary supporters of the
:34:55. > :35:00.MDC. You can play the argument that you have run over the last 15 years
:35:00. > :35:05.add naus yum, in news speak we all austerity measure, they were
:35:06. > :35:10.imposed upon Zimbabwe, in the years loading up to 20008, and they
:35:10. > :35:19.created conditions in which the largest exit of public sector
:35:19. > :35:23.workers left Zimbabwe. We are running out of time. It is all the
:35:23. > :35:29.outsiders' fault? No, the reasons caused for the crisis are not by
:35:29. > :35:33.Robert Mugabe alone. We have to ask who made the Zimbabwe economy
:35:33. > :35:37.scream. Robert Mugabe.No the EU directors were set up to do exactly
:35:37. > :35:41.that. You have both been very clear thank you very much. What's going
:35:41. > :35:44.on and going wrong in Hollywood, some of the summer block busters,
:35:44. > :35:48.Pacific Rim, Lone Ranger and After Earth, just aren't bringing the
:35:48. > :35:53.punters to the cinema. One of America's great directors, Steven
:35:53. > :35:57.Soderbergh, chose to make his critically acclaimed movie about
:35:57. > :36:04.Liberace, Behind The Candelabra for American TV. Now Spike Leely is
:36:05. > :36:14.asking his fans to fund his next -- Spike Lee is asking his fans to
:36:14. > :36:22.fund his next movie. First a low- budget B movie from Stephen Smith.
:36:22. > :36:26.Look at her? She's gone Hollywood. He's the same. Meet the backers of
:36:26. > :36:36.Spike Le, he's new film, anybody, it could be you or me. Maybe not
:36:36. > :36:40.
:36:40. > :36:43.you. The Oscar-nominated Lee is crowd-funding his new movie, some
:36:43. > :36:53.say Joint, said to be a vampire picture. He has turned his back on
:36:53. > :36:54.
:36:54. > :37:01.the big studio, or is it the other way round? While you weigh up
:37:01. > :37:09.whether you fancy investing or not, here is a reminder of Lee's work.
:37:09. > :37:14.From his debut picture, She's Gotta Have It. Are you following me.
:37:14. > :37:18.were following me. Oh. I was. But I was minding my own business waiting
:37:18. > :37:22.for the 41 bus when you walked by. I know it sounds corny but if I
:37:22. > :37:32.didn't follow I might not ever see you again. Jo you are right, that
:37:32. > :37:32.
:37:32. > :37:35.does sound corny. The lower budget film which is
:37:35. > :37:40.swimming in and tends to get squeezed. The sorts of films we
:37:40. > :37:47.like to make and that Spike likes to make may be more dramatic, less
:37:47. > :37:51.obvious, if you like, in a quick sell. Almost definitely have no
:37:51. > :37:55.sequel potential. And also are probably what we call quite a small
:37:55. > :38:05.bullseye, you have to make a good movie to make an audience go out
:38:05. > :38:09.and see it. Is it a coincidence that Spike Leely's passing the hat
:38:09. > :38:15.around after a number of Hollywood big ticket summer releases
:38:15. > :38:20.underperformed. Take Johnny Depp in the Lone Ranger, which reportedly
:38:20. > :38:27.cost $250 million. It is not out here yet, but in the states the
:38:27. > :38:37.Lone Ranger turned out to be all "high ho" and no silver. Taking $85
:38:37. > :38:43.million. Never mind, let's put some actors in robot suits and have them
:38:43. > :38:48.fight monsters and blow getting on for $200 million. What's not to
:38:48. > :38:55.like, the takings, that is what. Pacific Rim has earned less than
:38:55. > :38:59.half its cost, $84 million. All of Hollywood's prejudices have been
:38:59. > :39:04.confirmed this summer. They believe very strongly in tranchiess,
:39:04. > :39:07.sequels to existing properties, and also to films based on what they
:39:07. > :39:12.lovingly called established properties, existing characters and
:39:12. > :39:20.so those films, whether based on a famous character like Superman, or
:39:20. > :39:26.a sequel, like Iron Man, Star Trek, Fast & Furious 6, Dispeckable Me,
:39:26. > :39:31.they have done all done very well. So much so the movies are planning
:39:31. > :39:36.aure with Superman and Batman, they announced this at a comic beacon
:39:36. > :39:41.veings, to a thrilled audience of men with no dependants. To get a
:39:41. > :39:51.win in Hollywood you need a man who can fly, they have two, that puts
:39:51. > :40:00.them ahead of anybody else. Let's talk about us, if we back Spike
:40:00. > :40:03.Leely's film, we will have our names in lights. Won't we?
:40:03. > :40:08.investors don't get an awful lot from that. They will get
:40:08. > :40:12.potentially, depending on the level of Government, maybe a signed DVD
:40:12. > :40:16.or invited to the premier, or a non--speaking role. But the model
:40:16. > :40:21.is not that they will -- non- speaking role. The model is not
:40:21. > :40:26.that they will recoup their investment. All right Spike I'm in.
:40:26. > :40:33.I spoke to the director Spike Lee a moment ago and asked why studios
:40:33. > :40:39.are not putting money into Spike Lee? This particular film is not a
:40:39. > :40:45.film they think that they can make a trillion dollars on. This is a
:40:45. > :40:51.small, personal film, so I'm not, I want you to understand clearly I'm
:40:51. > :40:57.not condemning Hollywood. I'm not saying I won't work with Hollywood,
:40:57. > :41:02.the film that is coming outd in the fall Oh Boy is a studio film. Some
:41:02. > :41:08.films they will do with me, and my more personal films they are not
:41:08. > :41:13.going to do, he's fine, that is why I'm appealing directly to my fans,
:41:13. > :41:19.especially the ones in the UK who have may have loved my films since
:41:19. > :41:23.going back to 1986 with She's Gotta Have It. I have a lot of fans in
:41:23. > :41:26.the UK. You do. But you have got to tell the fans what the film is
:41:26. > :41:31.about? Otherwise what are they backing? This is a film about human
:41:31. > :41:40.beings who are addicted to blood. They are not vampires, we're not
:41:40. > :41:47.doing a black Twilight, we are not remaking the blackexploitation film,
:41:47. > :41:54.Blacula. We can have many addictions, sex, drugs, alcohol,
:41:54. > :42:00.power, money, this is a film, my vision about people who are
:42:00. > :42:05.addicted to blood. And what they will do to keep living. I tell
:42:05. > :42:11.people when they ask the question, just like you asked, I would say it
:42:11. > :42:17.is a psychological bloody thriller, a sexy psychological bloody
:42:17. > :42:25.thriller. How much of a risk is it to do this on Kickstarter, you have
:42:25. > :42:29.until the end of August to race $1.25 million? We have 21 more days,
:42:29. > :42:37.sir and my whole career has been about risk. When I was in film
:42:37. > :42:42.school, when I was back in film school from 1979-1982, NYU graduate
:42:42. > :42:49.film school, where Ang Lee was my classmate, there was only one
:42:49. > :42:54.African-American working in Hollywood. Only one. So from the
:42:54. > :42:59.very beginning I have not let risk stop me from doing what I feel I
:42:59. > :43:06.need to do. Will you get the money? No, I'm just saying overall, in my
:43:06. > :43:12.film career I have not let risk stop me from achieving my vision,
:43:12. > :43:15.my goal. Do you think a young Spike Lee would make it in Hollywood
:43:15. > :43:25.today? Even Spielberg and Lucas have said it, the industry has
:43:25. > :43:26.
:43:26. > :43:36.changed. The world of film in 1986 where I made my first film, She's
:43:36. > :43:37.
:43:37. > :43:44.Gotta Have It, which I raised the money myself. $175,000, it went on
:43:44. > :43:47.to make so much at the box-office, that world has gone. I have been
:43:47. > :43:52.doing Kickstarter before there was Kickstarter. I was writing letters,
:43:52. > :44:01.writing postcards, making phone calls, but now there is more
:44:01. > :44:09.technology. There is technology now, social media, so I'm using the new
:44:09. > :44:14.tools but I was doing this way back in 1986. I self-financed my last
:44:14. > :44:17.film, Red Hook Summer, hi to use a Kickstarter method -- I had to use
:44:17. > :44:26.a Kickstarter method before there was Kickstarter to finish Malcolm X.
:44:26. > :44:32.The only reason it got finished is because I had to call up personally
:44:32. > :44:39.Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey, Prince, Janet
:44:39. > :44:43.Jackson, and others who gave me the money to finish the film. Just a
:44:43. > :44:48.final thought, in ten years time will you be making films this way?
:44:48. > :44:57.Asking your fans do you think this is the future? I think this is
:44:57. > :45:01.something you only do once. So I hope that with me being a success
:45:01. > :45:10.this is a perfect example for young film makers that it can be done. It
:45:10. > :45:20.was done before Veronica Mar s which was a cancelled TV show, they
:45:20. > :45:21.
:45:21. > :45:25.mazeed $5.5 million, and the actor ZacBraff raised $3.5 million. They
:45:25. > :45:30.were successes before we are doing it now. Thank you very much?Thank
:45:30. > :45:37.you for letting me speak to the people of the UK, go Arsenal.
:45:37. > :45:40.Thanks to Mrs Tiggy Wrinkle, the hedgehog has had a special place in
:45:40. > :45:47.Britain, the position is now cemented, it won a national
:45:47. > :45:51.popularity poll by BBC Wildlife, by a healthy 42%. We like hedgehogs as