:00:08. > :01:22.It is some sort of non- nonverbal language of ourure.
:01:22. > :01:34.They crossed war-torn Somalia and a desert. They were half a mile away
:01:34. > :01:38.from shore, the island of lap launch. Today, the death toll of
:01:38. > :01:44.those killed off the tiny island stands at 100. There are warnings it
:01:44. > :01:48.will rise significantly. The it Italian Prime Minister has declared
:01:48. > :01:53.the tragedy one for the whole continent. Tonight Tim Whewell
:01:53. > :01:59.reports on the migrants' journey on what keeps going wrong. Now, deep
:01:59. > :02:03.under water, the ramshackle boat that was a death trap for so many
:02:03. > :02:09.seeking a better life in Europe. Rescued from the sea and more than
:02:09. > :02:16.150 of the migrants, mainly eerie trayians and some Malis who set off
:02:16. > :02:19.from the coast. More bodies are being brought ashore to the tiny
:02:19. > :02:24.island, far more than they have coffins for. Less than 200 miles to
:02:24. > :02:28.the south, the Libyan shore, where the migrants began their journey,
:02:28. > :02:32.the Libyan economy depends on workers from sub Saharan Africa.
:02:33. > :02:38.Hundreds of thousands live here, although few are given official
:02:38. > :02:47.papers. Some are happy to stay, but many want to move on further north.
:02:47. > :02:53.This man came 13 years ago. He came to work as a security guard. He has
:02:53. > :02:59.not seen his family since. Most want to go to Europe. They come to here.
:02:59. > :03:10.They find jobs that get more money, to take the risk from the sea and go
:03:10. > :03:17.to Europe. He tried and failed three times to go to Italy. They catch
:03:17. > :03:23.everybody. Who caught you? Soldiers. Libyan
:03:23. > :03:32.soldiers? Libyan soldiers. What happened? Libyan soldiers, they have
:03:32. > :03:37.to see us from there, from the sea. They came to arrest everybody. Libya
:03:37. > :03:41.is one of the main transit countries for economic migrants and those
:03:41. > :03:47.escaping conflict further south. They enter across the open borders
:03:47. > :03:53.and try and reach Europe from the long Mediterranean coastline. So
:03:53. > :03:58.far, this year, 19, 400 migrants have reached Italy from Libya. More
:03:58. > :04:03.than half of those, 10, 300, since the beginning of August. European
:04:03. > :04:08.diplomats believe there are 20,000 more waiting to cross from Libya.
:04:08. > :04:14.Newsnight understands from European diplomatic sources that Libya has
:04:14. > :04:22.only about 20 Naval vessels to patrol the 11-00 -- 1100-mile
:04:22. > :04:27.coastline. There are equally few resources to police the long desert
:04:27. > :04:31.borders in the south. There, illegal immigrants are often rounded up by
:04:31. > :04:36.armed groups linked to smuggling gangs. Libya's Defence Minister
:04:36. > :04:40.promises a new surveillance system to guard the southern borders within
:04:40. > :04:46.two years and controls on the coast too.
:04:46. > :04:49.TRANSLATION: However many ships you have, you cannot control illegal
:04:49. > :04:54.immigration, unless you control the shores. We are trying to find a
:04:54. > :04:59.system to protect the beaches. A system based on informants, on men
:04:59. > :05:06.working secretly to find smugglers. But that is an ambitious plan for a
:05:06. > :05:10.country still in a state of anarchy after the overthrow of Muammar
:05:10. > :05:15.Gaddafi. Even western diplomats don't expect
:05:15. > :05:18.much from Libya at this stage. There'll have to be more
:05:18. > :05:22.recognition, they say, that stopping the smuggling that caused this
:05:22. > :05:28.tragedy must be a pan-European and not just an Italian task. Tim
:05:28. > :05:35.Whewell. Well, the word disgraced comes to mind said the Pope of this
:05:35. > :05:42.tragedy. When I speak to the UN UN Special Rapporteur I asked him whose
:05:42. > :05:46.disgrace it was. I would say it is a disgrace for the states that create
:05:46. > :05:57.the migration policies that result in those deaths. It is also a
:05:57. > :06:02.disgrace for the people who provide these migrants with non-sea worthy
:06:02. > :06:05.vessels. It is a disgrace, the whole picture. Everybody has a
:06:05. > :06:08.responsibility. Migrants have a responsibility as well. Often they
:06:08. > :06:13.don't know anything about what will happen to them. I guess you could
:06:13. > :06:19.say that the pull factor is just the EU. That is the magnet for all these
:06:19. > :06:25.people. The magnet is not the EU itself. The magnet is that they have
:06:25. > :06:29.family or friends inside the EU who tell them, I'll find you a job.
:06:29. > :06:36.Because there are jobs. These people in the E U, especially migrants,
:06:36. > :06:39.they are not on welfare. In most countries they don't have access to
:06:39. > :06:44.welfare payments or things like that. They all work. They work in
:06:44. > :06:49.restaurants n the hospitality industry, in agriculture... They
:06:49. > :06:54.work - they are employed by employers, local employers. What is
:06:54. > :06:59.the solution then? You will not stop all these kind of industries using
:07:00. > :07:03.migrant workforce? I am calling for political courage and leadership to
:07:03. > :07:08.recognise that we need migrants and to create the kind of public
:07:08. > :07:13.discourse that says that limiting migration is not the way to go for
:07:13. > :07:18.the future. We have to recognise the needs for migrants at all, in all
:07:18. > :07:22.categories, including low-skilled migrants. We will need them to
:07:22. > :07:27.perform all the tasks that we don't want to perform at a certain cost.
:07:27. > :07:34.So, you are saying open our borders then? Open our borders to these
:07:34. > :07:39.people? No. Not open the borders, but create legal channels for
:07:39. > :07:43.migration, much more, many more legal channels for migration,
:07:43. > :07:50.including for low-skilled workers, because we need them. If we do that,
:07:50. > :07:55.we are going to reduce, probably never eradicate, but reduce the
:07:55. > :07:58.number of people who have to use smugglers to move. We are going to
:07:58. > :08:05.reduce the number of deaths at sea or in deserts. We will reduce the
:08:05. > :08:09.vulnerability of those migrants who suffer terrible fates while en route
:08:09. > :08:19.towards our countries. We are too tough at the moment? At the moment I
:08:19. > :08:24.think that countries are voluntarily not discussing the issue of the
:08:24. > :08:30.labour needs for the next 20-40 years. I think there is sort of a
:08:30. > :08:35.political consensus to not discuss this because it is a toxic issue at
:08:35. > :08:37.electoral level. We have run out of time, but thank you for your time
:08:37. > :08:53.this evening. Thank you. Goodbye. We talk to the film composer Hans
:08:53. > :09:00.Zimmer. The director of a private company
:09:00. > :09:03.with a lucrative contract to train apprentices at Morrisons has
:09:03. > :09:08.resigned. Elmfield Training has been given more than £100,000 of
:09:08. > :09:15.taxpayers' money over the past three years. Tonight, we hear from two
:09:15. > :09:18.former employees with who had to change documents to boost the amount
:09:18. > :09:23.of money the company could claim. What is the connection between this
:09:23. > :09:28.luxury house, this apprenticeship scheme and this rich businessman?
:09:28. > :09:34.Answer - you, the taxpayer helped to pay for them. How? Well, it all
:09:34. > :09:38.started with an ambition training programme at Morrisons, backed by
:09:38. > :09:45.the Government which was outsource tods a private company -- outsourced
:09:45. > :09:47.to a private company called Elmfield. A staggering four in ten
:09:47. > :09:53.of all Morrisons staff were Elmfield. A staggering four in ten
:09:53. > :09:57.apparently apprentices. These were no ordinary apprentices recruited
:09:57. > :10:02.fresh from school. Most worked for MORI sons and were over 20 -- for
:10:02. > :10:05.Morrisons and were over 25. There seemed to be very little job
:10:05. > :10:12.training involved. This man was sceptical at the time.
:10:12. > :10:13.It was really very unrealistic to do a high-quality programme with that
:10:13. > :10:17.volume and under the pressure of a high-quality programme with that
:10:17. > :10:21.that speed, really, bearing in mind the staffing requirements and the
:10:21. > :10:27.time away from the shop floor which should have been needed were they to
:10:27. > :10:33.be quality apprenticeships. In the first Year of the Contract Elmfield
:10:33. > :10:37.made a £12 million profit. £3 million went to the chief executive.
:10:37. > :10:41.He was grilled by a Government Select Committee 18 months ago. How
:10:41. > :10:45.much of that £12 million was Government money? It was all
:10:45. > :10:53.Government money. I think that much money money made
:10:53. > :10:58.out of a business of your kind is a rippoff. Now we can reveal, unknown
:10:58. > :11:02.to Morrison, what was going on behind the scenes. Two former
:11:02. > :11:06.assessors for elms field have told Newsnight they were routinely asked
:11:06. > :11:11.to change documents to claim Government funding for Morrisons'
:11:11. > :11:16.staff. Staff who never wanted to be apprentices. Their claims are backed
:11:16. > :11:20.up by an e-mail trail spanning two years, written by a number of senior
:11:20. > :11:38.managers, like this one from January, 2011.
:11:38. > :11:44.What I took from it was everybody was to be signed up as an
:11:44. > :11:47.apprentice, regardless of whether was to be signed up as an
:11:47. > :11:52.they wanted to do it or not. Many Morrisons staff didn't want to do
:11:52. > :11:54.the English or maths required to complete an apprenticeship. This was
:11:54. > :12:08.the e-mail instruction to assessors. It warns that the full words should
:12:08. > :12:14.not be entered on to the paperwork. On this file then, what does the D
:12:14. > :12:20.stand for? That stands for declined F the learner didn't want to do --.
:12:20. > :12:26.If the learner didn't want to do it, then we would put D, for declined.
:12:26. > :12:29.So the money is claimed for them to do an apprenticeship, but you know
:12:29. > :12:34.they don't want to do it? Yes. What do you think of that? It is an
:12:34. > :12:40.abuse. The learner shouldn't have been signed up at all. If the
:12:40. > :12:44.funding is there to deliver the main qualification that it was not
:12:44. > :12:50.suitable for them. Each apprenticeship was worth £1300 to
:12:50. > :12:52.Elmfield. By March, 2012, the number not completing the apprenticeship
:12:52. > :13:10.was becoming a problem. Elmfield were enrolling employees on
:13:10. > :13:15.these qualifications, knowing they had declined to do them. That is not
:13:15. > :13:17.allowed. It is as serious as the learner not even existing in the
:13:17. > :13:22.circumstances where a qualification is not being delivered.
:13:22. > :13:24.We showed the internal e-mails to the chair of the Select Committee
:13:24. > :13:29.that grilled Elmfield's chief the chair of the Select Committee
:13:29. > :13:38.executive 18 months ago. I was astonished to see it. Horrified. I
:13:38. > :13:43.really regret we did not have that e-mail trail prior to the committee
:13:43. > :13:45.inquiry. If we had, then we could really put the chief executive of
:13:45. > :13:48.inquiry. If we had, then we could Elmfield on the spot, the minister
:13:48. > :13:53.on the spot and the skills funding agency on the spot. You cannot help
:13:53. > :13:58.but feel there is a political agenda here. Drive up numbers of
:13:58. > :14:02.apprenticeships. Don't check too close about the quality. Don't be
:14:02. > :14:07.too concerned about the amount of money ploughed into them. The
:14:07. > :14:10.warning bells that something was not right were ringing 18 months ago.
:14:11. > :14:15.Yet, the Government continued to pour millions of pounds of public
:14:15. > :14:21.money into its training for Morrisons. No-one thought to look
:14:21. > :14:25.behind the scenes until a recent routine Ofsted inspection. The
:14:25. > :14:30.training furore sons got the lowest score of four. Inadequate. Its
:14:30. > :14:37.apprenticeship pass rate was unacceptably low.
:14:37. > :14:43.Morrisons stopped using Elmfield for training in August. The owner
:14:43. > :14:47.resigned as a director - the same day we presented our evidence. The
:14:47. > :14:53.new board of directors told Newsnight they have launched a
:14:53. > :15:13.review. The skills funding agency says it is
:15:13. > :15:17.currently investigating allegations against Elmfield. The company is not
:15:17. > :15:24.allowed to take on any new business for the moment. But Elmfield has
:15:24. > :15:27.already earned more than £60 million from Morrisons apprentices. Half of
:15:27. > :15:30.already earned more than £60 million whom never completed the course.
:15:30. > :15:34.What has become of all that taxpayers' cash? The company used
:15:34. > :15:42.some to buy expensive houses like this one and this one - home to Mr
:15:42. > :15:48.Syddall's daughter. He says she pays full market rent. He lives next door
:15:48. > :15:59.and took a dividend of £1 million in 2012, the same year his -- company
:15:59. > :16:04.said it had a loss. Shouldn't the Government scrutinise whether this
:16:04. > :16:06.was taxpayers' money well spent? We asked if a minister from the
:16:07. > :16:11.department of business could join us to discuss this, but no-one was
:16:11. > :16:14.available this evening. After Ed Miliband's conference address last
:16:14. > :16:17.week, the joke doing the rounds from those on the right is he had given
:16:17. > :16:21.the longest suicide speech in history. It with us a reference to
:16:22. > :16:26.the 1983 Labour manifesto, to which they claimed he had just returned.
:16:26. > :16:30.The starting gun for the general election is now fired. The question
:16:30. > :16:35.for the next 18 months is this - has a real ideological divide opened up
:16:35. > :16:42.between the two main parties? Is Labour really lookingback wards? It
:16:42. > :16:46.will bring a freeze... Ed Miliband standing by his vow to freeze energy
:16:46. > :16:50.bills. When he insisted last week that if they won the election this
:16:50. > :16:55.would be the case, it wasn't just the big six firms whose backs he got
:16:55. > :17:01.up. The Daily Mail decided that Ed was getting too red, inferring he
:17:01. > :17:07.might have been influenced by his late father, who they claimed hated
:17:07. > :17:13.Britain. There has been disillusionment from. Lord
:17:13. > :17:18.Sainsbury's who gave in the Brown and Blar years stopped in 2010. He
:17:19. > :17:23.referred to Ed Miliband as "average." He a argues a 70s type of
:17:23. > :17:27.socialism, which critics claim they "average." He a argues a 70s type of
:17:27. > :17:30.cling on to doesn't work, nor does the liberalism which dominated the
:17:30. > :17:44.thinking of Thatcher and Reagan. Well Lord Sainsbury is with me now,
:17:44. > :17:49.joined by Fraser Nelson, the editor of The Spectator. Talk us through
:17:49. > :17:54.progressive capitalism. How is it different to what we have seen
:17:54. > :17:59.before? It is different. It is based on really a belief in capitalism. It
:17:59. > :18:03.says, if capitalism is going to work, there have to be rules and
:18:03. > :18:06.regulations about how it happens. There have to be institutions. And
:18:06. > :18:09.the state or the Government has to set those rules and regulations
:18:09. > :18:14.because they deal with conflicting interests. Wasn't that what we saw
:18:14. > :18:21.under new Labour? I think we didn't see enough of that. We were actually
:18:21. > :18:26.very persuaded by this sort of laissez-faire capitalism. We saw it
:18:26. > :18:29.over that particular period. We didn't give enough attention to the
:18:29. > :18:33.areas where we should have had regulation. As a result of that, we
:18:33. > :18:38.missed the fact that there were some very serious failures taking place
:18:38. > :18:41.in capitalism. That is how things went so badly wrong in 2008? Not
:18:41. > :18:49.quite. It was not so much too much went so badly wrong in 2008? Not
:18:49. > :18:52.regulation, it was the wrong sort of regulation, fractured. Wrong touch
:18:52. > :18:57.rather than hard touch. The problem, of course, now is that we need to
:18:57. > :19:04.get back to something whereby Government regulates properly. Right
:19:04. > :19:10.now Lord Sainsburies is arguing for more -- Lord Sainsbury is arguing
:19:10. > :19:15.for more. It is a blueprint for what Ed Miliband wants to believe. Has he
:19:15. > :19:19.read this? I don't know. I sent a copy. You talk about the race to the
:19:19. > :19:23.bottom. No, a race to the top. It is very important. It is the race to
:19:23. > :19:27.the top, not to the bottom. This thing of, it was the fault of the
:19:27. > :19:32.regulators - this is nonsense. Take the situation with the banks. The
:19:32. > :19:38.banks were running the banks on an absurd basis. First of all, they had
:19:38. > :19:42.not got enough equity. Secondly, they made their balance sheets look
:19:42. > :19:44.very goodbye taking things off the balance sheet. Does Fraser think
:19:44. > :19:48.this is the way that capitalism balance sheet. Does Fraser think
:19:48. > :19:52.should run? Should the state actually take some interest in
:19:52. > :19:56.making sure these things don't happen? Let me take a very current
:19:56. > :20:01.significant problem - energy prices - the cost of living. We heard the
:20:01. > :20:06.remedy that Ed Miliband is proposing. How would progressive
:20:06. > :20:12.capitalism work on that? I am not here as an apologise for Ed
:20:12. > :20:16.Miliband. I don't think any... How do you apply your philosophy to a
:20:16. > :20:22.practical solution? I think you do have to have, in areas where it is
:20:22. > :20:27.doubtful there is proper competition taking place, you do need to have
:20:27. > :20:32.some kind of regulation by a body like Ofgem and that we have Ofgem
:20:32. > :20:35.and the question is, how it works and whether that is a good thing.
:20:35. > :20:41.Ofgem, incidentally, was set up by and whether that is a good thing.
:20:41. > :20:47.Mrs Thatcher. When I came into Government it was regulating the
:20:47. > :20:51.energy situation very carefully. There was something called re tal
:20:52. > :20:55.prices less 1%. That was the There was something called re tal
:20:55. > :21:00.regulation of the market. Do you believe that the big six need
:21:00. > :21:06.regulation? Well, of course they do. Absolutely. I am not a market
:21:06. > :21:10.fundamentalist nor is anybody else. If you want to make electricity
:21:10. > :21:13.cheaper, then takeaway all the green taxes that are now embedded in them.
:21:13. > :21:17.That is a problem the Government has been using the Energy Bills to do
:21:17. > :21:22.the brunt of its taxation work for all of these windmills and what have
:21:22. > :21:28.you. You can reduce energy bills simply by not... By getting rid of
:21:28. > :21:31.the windmills and what have you. That was a perfect example of
:21:31. > :21:35.the windmills and what have you. progressive capitalism. It says, we
:21:35. > :21:39.believe in capitalism, but you have to have some rules and regulations
:21:39. > :21:44.about how things work, particularly in cases where it's not a really
:21:44. > :21:50.good competitive market. So, I mean we probably agree. Let's take, for
:21:50. > :21:56.example, the potential of a house housing bubble. What would be the
:21:56. > :22:00.solutions that your book, that progressive capitalism would impose
:22:00. > :22:04.on that? My book is not greatly about macro-economics. It is about
:22:04. > :22:08.how markets work. The question there is a different one, it is about
:22:08. > :22:12.macro-economics and the question is - is it a sensible thing to do to
:22:13. > :22:18.try and get growth by pouring money into the economy? Would you
:22:18. > :22:23.intervene in that situation? There's no question of intervening, there is
:22:23. > :22:27.intervention taking place. The Bank of England is pouring money into the
:22:27. > :22:31.economy. The question is - is that a sensible economic policy? I think he
:22:31. > :22:39.is being hard in his own book. He suggests that the problem last time
:22:39. > :22:43.was too much cheap debt. We are seeing the same now. There shouldn't
:22:43. > :22:49.be. You are asking for trouble. One other thing is an end to big donor
:22:49. > :22:51.culture. You have suggested a cap of £10,000. Many will look at you and
:22:52. > :22:56.say this man has donated £15 million £10,000. Many will look at you and
:22:56. > :23:00.to Labour. Could you see yourself donating to Labour in the future,
:23:00. > :23:03.particularly if the unions pull out? Well, I have said, very clearly,
:23:03. > :23:08.that I'm not really in the business at the moment of supporting
:23:08. > :23:13.political parties. I have two jobs, one as Chancellor of dame bridge and
:23:13. > :23:17.the other is I chair the institute of Government. Both these parties, I
:23:17. > :23:22.think it is much easier if I am not seen to be... Is that no to the next
:23:22. > :23:25.election for Labour? It is a no to any political party because I don't
:23:25. > :23:30.want to get involved in politics in the situation where I need to be
:23:30. > :23:34.seen to be independent. And I guess this week could have been dominated
:23:34. > :23:38.by discussion of the ideological water starting to open up between
:23:38. > :23:43.the two leaders. Instead it has been dominated by Ed Miliband and the
:23:43. > :23:47.Mail. Was he right to wade in, do you think? He is entitled to
:23:47. > :23:51.complain as any reader of a newspaper. It is a shame because it
:23:51. > :23:56.has taken the discussion away from what I think is a hugely interesting
:23:56. > :24:02.intellectual space he's opened with the Tories. You quite like what he
:24:02. > :24:08.has to say - he's your kind of guy. Was he right to wade in? Yes. I
:24:08. > :24:12.think what the Daily Mail did was extremely distasteful. I don't think
:24:12. > :24:16.anyone is supporting it. And if someone attacked my father on a
:24:16. > :24:21.totally wrong reason, I would speak out as well. I think most people in
:24:21. > :24:26.the country share that view. Thank you both very much.
:24:26. > :24:32.From Thelma and Louise, The Dark Knight to Rush, Hans Zimmer has
:24:32. > :24:36.scored more than 100 films. He can create the atmosphere with a
:24:36. > :24:40.singlevy lin note or the extraordinary drumming by 12 of the
:24:40. > :24:45.best session drummers as in Man of Steel. He had two weeks of piano
:24:45. > :24:51.lessons and was involved in the first ever music video on MTV, radio
:24:51. > :25:01.killed the video star. -- video kil d Video Killed the
:25:01. > :25:13.Radio Star. They tell me the story. I sit there
:25:13. > :25:18.and try and come up with the thing that they cannot think.
:25:18. > :25:23.That's the job. Your job is to surprise them.
:25:23. > :25:28.He has scored sound track after sound track for a generation. He was
:25:28. > :25:32.recognised by his peers and then rewarded them with a familiar sound
:25:32. > :25:46.from Inception. Not one, but two more awards. Your
:25:46. > :25:50.shelves are groaning now! Obviously your lack of formal musical
:25:50. > :25:55.education has not held you back? No it has not held me back. If
:25:55. > :26:03.anything, I was thinking about this last night, it sort of helped - I am
:26:03. > :26:07.not set in my style. I am not trying to develop my style. I go, oh, this
:26:07. > :26:11.is interesting. Let's go over here and make a record with this. Let's
:26:11. > :26:18.go to a foreign country and figure something out here. I think it is
:26:18. > :26:23.actually, I'm not stuck in trying to be Hans Zimmer. Do you ever feel the
:26:23. > :26:28.lack of being able to play? Do you feel yourself as being an enabler
:26:28. > :26:35.who allows others to play? That is the point. You use the word twice -
:26:35. > :26:40.play is the operative word. Playfulness, playing. Getting people
:26:40. > :26:46.involved. The notes are just, you know, some architectural instruction
:26:46. > :26:51.manual. You go up, you go down, whatever. To actually give them
:26:51. > :26:58.purpose, to give them context, that comes from the music. You obviously
:26:58. > :27:04.love musicians. There is a wonderful footage from Man of Steel of the 12
:27:04. > :27:13.drummers - the best session musicians.
:27:13. > :27:20.It was so easy. Williams, who is the busiest human being on earth, lives
:27:20. > :27:24.in Miami, I gots Jason to come from Miami. I said, come on, you have to
:27:24. > :27:29.be part of it. He not only gives people what they want. He gives
:27:29. > :27:35.people something they didn't realise they need. That is because it is his
:27:35. > :27:46.mentality to always overgive and really dive i.
:27:46. > :27:54.You do so many films It is my heart and soul. It is my heart and soul
:27:54. > :27:58.because I love doing it. I get excited when somebody comes along
:27:58. > :28:02.and they show you some images and they have an idea and they are
:28:02. > :28:06.excited. You pay tribute to musicians, because you say, what
:28:06. > :28:13.would you be without the musicians? Vy suspicion as well. This is my
:28:13. > :28:19.suspicion, that the idea of a symphony orchestra or an orchestra
:28:19. > :28:28.or string quartet, or whatever, that is more than music, it is some sort
:28:28. > :28:34.of non- nonverbal language cornerstone of our culture.
:28:34. > :28:41.If we lose that, we will lose something far beyond just the music.
:28:41. > :28:46.That is my gripe with the BBC - with all television stations. They all
:28:46. > :28:53.go, oh, well, you can do it in your bedroom on a sin ther sizer. It is
:28:53. > :28:58.only getting away with it. It is not making things better. It is not
:28:58. > :29:04.really adding true emotion. It is not really connecting the audience
:29:04. > :29:08.to the emotion that a musician, you know, the great craftsmanship and
:29:08. > :29:14.art that a musician brings to something. Is there something you
:29:14. > :29:19.like more than other? Do you like darker films? I have been thinking
:29:19. > :29:24.about this. Everybody is the internal angst and thaw stuff. Every
:29:24. > :29:32.character -- and all that stuff. Every character... What about a good
:29:32. > :29:37.rom com? I have - look I have done a lot of rom comes. The idea that, for
:29:37. > :29:42.instance, that in the '70s, when you have the space programme, we look
:29:42. > :29:53.out to the stars. We would, we would see some sort of a future that was
:29:53. > :29:58.beyond our own little miserable analysed self. It is just the idea
:29:58. > :30:03.that maybe it is time to reinvent some of this stuff and just look
:30:03. > :30:08.outwards a bit more. Aren't we a little bored with our own paranoia.
:30:08. > :30:14.Aren't people just a little bored with it? A great, big beautiful
:30:14. > :30:18.world out there, if you just look at it.
:30:18. > :30:27.The great Hans Zimmer. Let me take you through the front-pages of
:30:27. > :30:32.Saturday's papers. The Times has Briton's behind terror group's bid
:30:32. > :30:37.to wage chemical war. Fears that Al-Qaeda will use them on
:30:37. > :30:42.western targets N the Guardian, we have hunt on commission course as he
:30:42. > :30:48.says no to NHS pay rises. Ministers sparked a new confrontation by
:30:48. > :30:55.trying to derail a pay rise. The Daily Mirror has - "we tried to kill
:30:55. > :31:02.Harry many times." FT, 75% of new vehicles bought with
:31:02. > :31:06.loans. In New York, the subway expansion
:31:06. > :31:13.project has moved with the times and dispensed with the City's legendary
:31:13. > :31:20.side walk ventilation greats, immortalised by 20th Century Fox in
:31:20. > :31:23.the Seven Year Itch.