:01:42. > :02:05.He might have a reputation for noise and bluster, but this news was kept
:02:05. > :02:09.very quiet indeed. After four years trying to run the English Defence
:02:09. > :02:15.League, the man who calls himself Tommy Robinson is now suddenly
:02:15. > :02:20.walking away. He sat between two former Muslim Jihadists to make his
:02:21. > :02:24.point, that the EDL is becoming too extreme and loud and violent
:02:24. > :02:27.demonstrations are just not working. I am asking all my supporters who
:02:27. > :02:33.followed me to put faith in the decision we are making, and follow
:02:33. > :02:35.in, I don't believe, street protests and the way it is going is the way
:02:35. > :02:39.in, I don't believe, street protests forward. I believe an opportunity
:02:39. > :02:44.has to be given to see if this can progress. It can progress to be a
:02:44. > :02:51.debate, instead of being on the street, can be had an arena that it
:02:51. > :02:55.is supposed to be had. It was this demonstration in 2009 that changed
:02:55. > :03:00.everything for Tommy Robinson. Muslim protesters shouted insults as
:03:00. > :03:05.the royal anningian regiment marched through Luton town centre. Robinson
:03:05. > :03:11.led a counter demonstration that eventually turned into the EDL. The
:03:11. > :03:15.group has no normal joining procedures and no membership list.
:03:15. > :03:21.Its street protests often descend into violence and arrests. But
:03:21. > :03:25.people who watch the EDL say Robinson is in fact one of its less
:03:25. > :03:28.extreme members. He has been followed by a camera crew as he was
:03:28. > :03:32.brought together with modderate Muslims. The vast majority of the
:03:32. > :03:39.people in this country would want Muslims. The vast majority of the
:03:39. > :03:44.the burqa banned. In the process of making the film to be broadcast on
:03:44. > :03:52.the BBC this Ute um he was introduced to the anti-extremist
:03:52. > :03:56.group the quill yam foundation. They have demonstrated a level of courage
:03:56. > :04:00.because let's not forget there are elements within the EDL that will be
:04:00. > :04:06.furious right now. They will consider them traitors. I know that
:04:06. > :04:08.because there were elements within my movement that considered me a
:04:08. > :04:21.traitor. The reaction from EDL supporters is
:04:21. > :04:25.hard to measure at this stage. On internet forums there are plenty of
:04:25. > :04:43.comments for support for Robinson. Many of disbelief.
:04:43. > :04:48.In some ways Tommy Robinson is a spokesperson for a number of
:04:48. > :04:57.regional English Defence Leagues. That, however, is a problem. It is
:04:57. > :05:00.far easier for the police to contain and to control demonstrations that
:05:00. > :05:05.the English Defence League has when there is one leader and one group.
:05:05. > :05:09.Actually if the group fragments and turns into a large number of
:05:09. > :05:13.smaller, sometimes quite nasty groups, it's going to be far harder
:05:13. > :05:18.to police. As for Tommy Robinson, there is now talk of leading a new
:05:18. > :05:23.political group. The question for many is whether that will just be a
:05:23. > :05:28.watered down version of the English Defence League or it can be
:05:28. > :05:32.something different, genuinely non-violent and genuinely
:05:32. > :05:40.non-racist. Tommy Robinson is here. When did you decide that you had to
:05:40. > :05:45.leave? I decided in February. I spent 18 weeks on Her Majesty's
:05:45. > :05:48.pleasure and was in solitary confinement and it was the best
:05:48. > :05:53.thing that happened to me. I had a long time think where I was going
:05:53. > :05:59.and where the movement was going. When I came out of prison, I see the
:05:59. > :06:04.organisation, elements of the organisation, fringe elements on the
:06:04. > :06:09.outskirts had been welcomed back. I had battled to keep racists out of
:06:09. > :06:13.this movement, and they were invited back and I felt let down by the
:06:13. > :06:17.people in the organisation that were in positions, the same people
:06:17. > :06:20.calling me a traitor now, in positions that invited Nazis to
:06:20. > :06:25.stand with them in the face. It is my face that is up for this. I have
:06:25. > :06:31.to be true to myself. I despies Nazis and I despies racism. That was
:06:31. > :06:37.one thing, I had made that decision, I hadn't left. What was the EDL,
:06:37. > :06:41.what is the EDL if it is not racist. I want to say a personal thank you
:06:41. > :06:45.to supporters of the English Defence League, because it is become my
:06:45. > :06:50.life. I see this as a massive step forward in the fight against Islamic
:06:50. > :06:53.extremism and far-right extremism. The EDL is a collective group of
:06:53. > :06:56.ordinary people, the majority of people in the movement are ordinary
:06:56. > :07:00.people with heart felt concerns and they have been branded racists for
:07:00. > :07:04.four-and-a-half years, everyone has called me a racist. You did say
:07:04. > :07:10.there should be no more Mosques built in Britain. I said there
:07:10. > :07:17.should be no more Mosques unless they are regulated like schools are
:07:17. > :07:21.with Ofsted. We need British born Muslims in control of the Mosques.
:07:21. > :07:27.What is coming out of this, everyone saying the EDL is being taken over
:07:27. > :07:32.by Nazis. The first demonstration I didn't go to was Manchester, they
:07:32. > :07:36.were welcomed back. There was splinter groups gave speeches, so
:07:36. > :07:40.for me, this is all about being a public face, we have done this for
:07:40. > :07:44.four years, raised the profile, it has been successful in bringing
:07:44. > :07:50.things to the forefront. Have you changed your views? I want people to
:07:50. > :07:55.listen to my views. What people portray my views is not what they
:07:55. > :07:59.are. I don't hate Muslims. Why do you want to stop Mosques being
:07:59. > :08:02.built. Unless they are moderated and regulated. Because I believe there
:08:02. > :08:05.is a problem. We see problems in documentaries and they say that's
:08:05. > :08:09.not Islam and it is not representative, but there is a
:08:09. > :08:14.problem. For me, this leaving is about, we are four years in, I see
:08:14. > :08:17.it as a step forward, I see it as an nechltable progression into what we
:08:17. > :08:20.were doing and I don't see beneficial doing what we were doing.
:08:20. > :08:25.Do you think this country is in danger? I have sat in there and
:08:25. > :08:31.watched the news and we have 2,000 British people fight fighting
:08:31. > :08:36.al-Sheebab. The biggest threat to this country is Islamist terrorist
:08:36. > :08:40.extremism. I despies far-right extremism. I have battled through
:08:40. > :08:45.this organisation to be true and steer it in what me and my cousin
:08:45. > :08:49.have built it on. You haven't changed your views? No, basically
:08:49. > :08:52.no-one is listening to what I have said for four-and-a-half years. Our
:08:52. > :08:57.message has been lost in translation because of the actions of minority.
:08:57. > :09:01.This is more serious than marching through streets. I have three
:09:01. > :09:07.beautiful children and I want them to grow up in a safe Britain and the
:09:07. > :09:12.same, when I met these lads with quill yam, to anyone saying I have
:09:12. > :09:16.bottled out, when I met this week with a Pakistani girl who is working
:09:16. > :09:19.within that organisation and they have set up offices in Pakistan
:09:19. > :09:23.where the Taliban are operating and they are there on the ground
:09:23. > :09:25.tackling extremism, that is not bottling out. That is putting your
:09:25. > :09:29.life on the front line to tackle bottling out. That is putting your
:09:29. > :09:33.extremism. That is what I want to do. I don't want to let these
:09:33. > :09:36.supporters down, who have meant everything to me and got three
:09:36. > :09:40.through four years, because a voice has been built for them and that is
:09:40. > :09:45.what this has become, a voice for working class people. I want to use
:09:45. > :09:48.the voice in a positive way. Not in a positive way where it is
:09:48. > :09:54.discriminating against Muslims. I will take this opportunity to say to
:09:54. > :10:01.Muslim, if anyone has felt fear and intimidation, I apologise for that.
:10:01. > :10:04.I ask them to listen, that British women and non-Muslim women are
:10:04. > :10:08.feeling scared. It is about showing people the right way. When I am
:10:08. > :10:12.asking my supporters, I see this as the right step forward. I see
:10:12. > :10:16.working with quill yam, working with Muslim reformists and
:10:16. > :10:20.anti-extremists, I see it as the way to go. I ask them to put faith in
:10:20. > :10:24.me. This has been the biggest decision of my life. This is the
:10:24. > :10:29.hardest thing I have had to do. All the things I have wanted to do, this
:10:29. > :10:36.has been the hardest thing. Are you more optimistic now? I am more
:10:36. > :10:49.optimistic after meet meeting with quill yam. It is a massive blow to
:10:49. > :10:56.extremism. I want to be true to my representation. Half my best
:10:56. > :11:01.friends- I am not willing for demonstrations to go on that I can't
:11:01. > :11:07.attend and me be the public face. Not so long ago you were saying EDL
:11:07. > :11:12.till I die. People are saying I have surrendered. I see this as taking
:11:12. > :11:18.two steps forward. I see this as a massive, massive move forward and a
:11:18. > :11:22.massive blow to the Islamist ideology in this country. To
:11:22. > :11:36.overcome the threat, we have to work with must lemmings. Is Do you think
:11:36. > :11:41.there are too many Muslims in this country? We have to protect our
:11:41. > :11:45.culture. We have to protect immigration. I want an end to
:11:45. > :11:51.immigration, Islamic imgroupings, until the problem is solved. You can
:11:51. > :11:55.carry on building Mosques when they are moderated and regulated. But
:11:55. > :11:57.there has to be movement on either side. I want what is best for this
:11:57. > :12:03.country. You can be British and side. I want what is best for this
:12:03. > :12:09.black and you can be a Muslim British? You can be English and be a
:12:10. > :12:16.Muslim. The man from Essex, I am from Luton tourngs there is no
:12:16. > :12:22.difference between us. If Pakistani heritage Muslims, wearing England
:12:22. > :12:25.tops and proud to embrace the Union Jack, every one of those supporters
:12:25. > :12:29.would be happy much the way these supporters are judged is so unfair.
:12:29. > :12:33.I have spent time with them. They are all decent people. There is an
:12:33. > :12:39.element that I have battled and for me it is about moving forward what I
:12:39. > :12:43.think is right, at the same time, it is about I am the public face. What
:12:43. > :12:47.people forget, when they left their top-up and there is a picture of a
:12:47. > :12:52.mosque with boom on it, that is my face that is being represented with
:12:52. > :13:00.that. Such strong issues, I am spending all my time fight against
:13:00. > :13:04.elements in the EDL. Thank you. Coming up Heinz Wolff is figuring
:13:04. > :13:12.out how to build a Hadron Collider with a golf ball, a torch, and a
:13:12. > :13:15.pebble. America is still celebrating the
:13:15. > :13:19.capture at the weekend of Anas al-Libby, the Libyan seized by US
:13:20. > :13:24.forces on suspicious of terrorist outrages. His presence in the
:13:24. > :13:27.country is a further sign that more than two years since western
:13:27. > :13:31.intervention in Libya, it is a far from security and settled state.
:13:31. > :13:36.Britain played a prominent part in the intervention. Now, our reporter
:13:36. > :13:43.has returned to eastern Libya where the revolt began and where it was
:13:43. > :13:48.declared victorious. They fought Guadalajara, now they
:13:48. > :13:52.are ready to fight the revolutionary government they replaced him with
:13:52. > :13:57.T Two years ago Britain and other
:13:57. > :14:02.western powers helped Libyan militias like this win freedom from
:14:02. > :14:07.tyranny now Britain is being asked to help free the countries from the
:14:07. > :14:12.militias themselves as they become the new tyrants. The oil that should
:14:12. > :14:18.fle from this term nail is Libya's main source of wealth. But the
:14:18. > :14:24.militia have shut the industry down. That is losing the country $130
:14:25. > :14:31.million a day. Former rebel commanders refuse to return to
:14:31. > :14:36.civilian life. We were hoping to lay down our weapons and go home but we
:14:36. > :14:40.realise if we do that now, revolutionaries like us will be
:14:40. > :14:45.killed on our doorsteps. The revolution has been stolen from us.
:14:45. > :14:49.Ex Exports won't restart until the east of the country, which has most
:14:49. > :14:55.of the oil, is allowed to keep most of the revenue for itself. Their
:14:55. > :15:02.leader, a prisoner under Gaddafi, is holding the country to ransome. Our
:15:02. > :15:09.numbers are more than 20,000 and growing. People joining from various
:15:09. > :15:14.ex-army units, police and border patrols. All we want is for everyone
:15:14. > :15:20.to have their fair share. If the government thinks of attack
:15:20. > :15:23.attacking us it will lead to a real civil war but we know they don't
:15:23. > :15:28.have the power to do that. Along the road from the term nail, the remains
:15:28. > :15:33.of the battle that saved eastern Libya for the rebels two years ago.
:15:33. > :15:37.Gaddafi's forces were smashed first by French and then by British
:15:37. > :15:46.missiles as the dictator attempted a counter offensive. In total Britain
:15:46. > :16:07.spent £212 million on its air campaign in Libya.
:16:07. > :16:16.Your city was an inspiration to the world as you threw off a dictator
:16:16. > :16:23.and chose freedom. Now Ben GAZ-24y so dangerous no western official
:16:23. > :16:27.will set foot here. Two years on from David Cameron's appearance
:16:27. > :16:32.here, it's clear that gnat toe missiles didn't only depose a
:16:32. > :16:36.dictator, they helped destroy a state. Before Libyans were terrified
:16:36. > :16:41.of the police. Now they are terrified by the lack of them.
:16:41. > :16:45.Gaddafi warned that he would be replaced by tribalism, Islamic
:16:45. > :16:52.extremism and anarchy. And in large measure he's been proved right. This
:16:52. > :16:56.police station is one of several here that had been bombed
:16:56. > :17:00.repeatedly. The attackers unknown. There are almost daily assassination
:17:00. > :17:07.attempts on military officers or public figures. Flying openly over
:17:07. > :17:13.parts of the city, the black flag of Jihad. What we have here, we have a
:17:13. > :17:20.geographical region that is void of the presence of a state. This region
:17:20. > :17:25.is under the control of extremist radical movements that are either
:17:25. > :17:32.sympathetic or in full co-operation with Al-Qaeda. This suspected
:17:32. > :17:37.Al-Qaeda leader is now being intergrated on an American warship
:17:37. > :17:44.on the med after being snatched by US forces at the weekend from his
:17:44. > :17:53.on the med after being snatched by car in Tripoli where he was living
:17:53. > :17:58.legally. These are the kind of recyclable weapons they could get
:17:58. > :18:02.their hands on. This pile of order Nantes recovered from bunkers has
:18:02. > :18:07.been secured by a British demining charity but many similar sites, with
:18:07. > :18:12.serviceable weapons have been taken over by militias, or left open to
:18:12. > :18:18.looters. We have this particular ammunition storage area, we have
:18:18. > :18:24.removed up wards of 35 tonnes of explosive content which equates to
:18:24. > :18:29.probably 70,000 plus individual items of ordnance. If you take this
:18:29. > :18:33.as a snapshot and times that by 400, that gives you a bit of an estimate
:18:33. > :18:40.of how big the problem here really is. Libya is now thought to have the
:18:40. > :18:46.world's largest unsecured arms scabbing pile. Millions of tonnes of
:18:46. > :18:50.weapons are unaccounted for, including up to 8,000 manpowered
:18:50. > :19:14.portable missile systems. Even Libya's Prime Minister
:19:14. > :19:22.acknowledges the scale of the threat. Weapons are being smuggled
:19:22. > :19:27.from and into Libya by groups which are trying to murder people and
:19:27. > :19:29.spread terror. The movement of these weapons is also putting our
:19:29. > :19:33.neighbouring countries at risk. We weapons is also putting our
:19:33. > :19:41.need international co-operation to stop it. Not all militia are
:19:41. > :19:43.extremists. These aren't. But there will be no order until they are all
:19:43. > :19:47.extremists. These aren't. But there forged into a national army. That's
:19:47. > :19:51.where Libya most needs foreign help. Hundreds of fighters will be sent
:19:51. > :19:55.for training to Britain and other countries later this year. But it
:19:55. > :19:57.will be a slow process, partly because militias have supporters
:19:57. > :20:01.will be a slow process, partly within the government. They are paid
:20:01. > :20:07.huge sums by the state, even when they oppose it. The extremist
:20:07. > :20:12.militias understood from the very beginning of the revolution that
:20:12. > :20:19.their main foe in the future would be a military institution. Thus they
:20:19. > :20:22.chose to control the Ministry of Defence and the Prime Ministerry and
:20:22. > :20:27.parliament in order to prevent the creation of a proper army that would
:20:27. > :20:34.serve the people and the interests of the people. In this home, a
:20:34. > :20:39.former rebel commander is keeping his weapons safe. His Islamist
:20:40. > :20:43.militia was driven off the streets by popular protest but he thinks
:20:43. > :20:50.they will be back. You keep these here all the time? Yes. Sometimes
:20:50. > :20:54.you may get the impression that people hate the brigades but that's
:20:55. > :21:00.not completely true. Now a year on there are people who are demanding
:21:00. > :21:08.our return. The Prime Minister admits his power is very limited. We
:21:08. > :21:13.are in a state of revolution, so we have no choice. The Libyan state has
:21:13. > :21:20.no control over the repercussions of the revolution because the state is
:21:20. > :21:24.weak. Now with no end in sight to the oil blockade, the state is
:21:24. > :21:28.getting weaker by the day. America's raid on Tripoli may reflect a new
:21:28. > :21:31.estimation in Washington that the government can't turn the corner,
:21:31. > :21:37.the failing state could become a failed one. Look at Libya, President
:21:37. > :21:42.Assad said recently, for a lesson in the results of outside intervention
:21:42. > :21:48.in a civil war. He would say that of course, but now there may be former
:21:48. > :21:53.interventionists who would agree. Oliver Miles is the former British
:21:53. > :21:57.ambassador to Libya and he is here with Rory Stewart. Taking up the
:21:57. > :22:01.point there, when you look at the state that cannot secure itself,
:22:01. > :22:06.cannot even protect its own main source of income it is close to a
:22:06. > :22:12.failed state. I think that is exaggerated. I think it is a long
:22:12. > :22:18.way from being a failed state. I think that there are real problems,
:22:18. > :22:24.it is very fragile but considering they had a real revolution only two
:22:24. > :22:30.years ago and they replace replaced a vile dictatorship, which was
:22:30. > :22:33.unique in the way it had absolutely flattened all institutions in Libya,
:22:33. > :22:36.destroyed every institution, including the mosque, including the
:22:36. > :22:39.army, including the police, there was nothing, so they are build from
:22:39. > :22:43.nothing, it is a very difficult task. Do you reckon it is a failed
:22:43. > :22:47.state for close to it? It is close to it. It is a very, very awful
:22:47. > :22:52.situation. It is not yet a full out civil war. It may be and it is a
:22:52. > :22:56.terrible thing to say, but it may be better than living under Gaddafi but
:22:56. > :23:02.it is a terrible situation. It does prove that Gaddafi was possibly
:23:02. > :23:07.right in saying that a country like that required a very, very strong
:23:07. > :23:12.tire an cal government. This is what all these people say, it is what
:23:12. > :23:15.Assad said, what Saddam said, it is the obvious thing to say in the
:23:15. > :23:19.Middle East. They are right. Certainly when the strong man goes
:23:19. > :23:22.you have a lot of trouble. The question is what do you do, do you
:23:22. > :23:26.put up with someone like Assad, because what he is saying at the
:23:26. > :23:30.moment is I am the man who keeps order. He is maintaining a civil
:23:30. > :23:35.war. Would you say the same of Mussolini, he ran the place before
:23:35. > :23:41.Gaddafi, are you saying they need a Mussolini, surely not. When you look
:23:41. > :23:47.at western interveinings, what Karzai said about Afghanistan, they
:23:47. > :23:53.are hardly happy Presidents? No they are not, I would was very doubtful
:23:53. > :23:57.about intervention in Libya, I was against t but I was wrong. Having
:23:57. > :24:01.been to Libya since the revolution and seen what a happy country it is
:24:01. > :24:06.compared to the way it was before, I think what we did was right. On that
:24:06. > :24:11.one, I was struck on the two trips I went to Libya, I went pessimistic, I
:24:11. > :24:17.turned up the day after Gaddafi had fallen, you can see the groups
:24:17. > :24:21.deafing, but it was much better -- developing: It is a terrible thing
:24:21. > :24:25.to say, but it is better than it could have been. It isn't yet an all
:24:25. > :24:30.out civil war. It still has a hope. It is a very, very worrying
:24:30. > :24:35.situation, when you have all these vast numbers of untracked weapons.
:24:35. > :24:40.Sure, that is a very serious problem. It is a problem that may
:24:40. > :24:43.yet cause very serious trouble not only in Libya but elsewhere. But
:24:43. > :24:47.that is a different issue from whether it is a failed state. We
:24:47. > :24:50.need to be realistic about intervention and understand that
:24:50. > :24:53.with these sorts of interventions we may have to accept this is a
:24:53. > :24:57.possibility. When we do these things over the next 20 years, people need
:24:57. > :25:01.to realise there are no good choices. You don't think better not
:25:01. > :25:06.to do them? Either better not to do them is one view. But what I don't
:25:06. > :25:11.think is the idea we should be dragged into nation building. This
:25:11. > :25:17.failed state, Gaddafi didn't have a state himself, he ran is in a
:25:17. > :25:22.bizarre fashion. There wasn't much of a state to take over. Correct. In
:25:22. > :25:26.ewapiti for example, when push came to shove they turned to the army.
:25:26. > :25:32.There is no army to turn to in libbia, there's nothing. The
:25:32. > :25:37.alternative will look like Algeria, military oppression against
:25:37. > :25:44.Islamists. That looks very nasty too. Algeria was a civil war in
:25:44. > :25:48.which hundreds of thousands of people were killed, it went on for
:25:48. > :25:53.20 years, it is a similar country to labouria. What we are praying for
:25:53. > :26:04.Libya that it is a leadership that can emerge will avoid that. There's
:26:04. > :26:09.been this interference with the oil Simplirix which was essentially
:26:09. > :26:13.because the people who were guarding the oil facilities were not being
:26:13. > :26:16.paid and they took the law into their own hands, which was a
:26:16. > :26:20.suicidal thing to do for the country, not for them individually.
:26:20. > :26:26.But that problem has been partly solved. Similar thing happened with
:26:26. > :26:32.the water. That has been solved. There are moves in the right
:26:32. > :26:36.direction. The militias which were controlling the airport and frontier
:26:36. > :26:42.posts a year ago are no longer doing so. It's now being done centrally.
:26:42. > :26:47.You have to keep these things in perspective. One of the things the
:26:47. > :26:51.report mentioned was that now in eastern Libya there is an
:26:51. > :26:57.assassination attempt almost every day. In Iraq, 1,000 people were
:26:57. > :27:04.murdered last month and 1,000 people the month before that. Egypt, Syria,
:27:04. > :27:08.Iraq, Algeria, this is the context in which we need to see what is
:27:08. > :27:14.happening in Libya. It is a tragic situation but I still feel Gaddafi
:27:14. > :27:19.had to go. Thank you very much. A woman's right to shoes was the way
:27:19. > :27:25.one character put it in Sex And The City. There is no question that
:27:25. > :27:28.shoes in one form or another, high heels or loafers, or cowboy boots
:27:28. > :27:32.are the fashion obsession of the 21st century. There are still people
:27:32. > :27:34.living in places like carnes house who remain proud of the pair which
:27:34. > :27:59.living in places like carnes house has served them for 40 years.
:27:59. > :28:05.Tamara Mellon, I want to start with Jimmy Choo, you built a spectacular
:28:06. > :28:10.brand, but your whole business model sounds like it was incredibly
:28:10. > :28:15.painful. It was very difficult because we had private equity come
:28:15. > :28:20.into the business and very often their interests are not aligned with
:28:20. > :28:25.yours. I believe that private equity has turned into something that was
:28:25. > :28:29.never meant to be. It's become a way for guys to get fees by flipping
:28:29. > :28:33.companies. So they want to come in and out of a company within two to
:28:33. > :28:38.three years and for a management team to go through a sale process
:28:38. > :28:43.every two, three years is just not sustainable. I geese people will be
:28:43. > :28:49.listening to this and say private equity made you incredibly rich. I
:28:49. > :28:54.would say I made them incredibly rich. They are not experts in the
:28:54. > :28:58.luxury business, none of them had been in it before. I think there is
:28:58. > :29:03.a big misconception about them funding the business. They don't
:29:03. > :29:08.fund the business. They take debt to buy shares and the company pays the
:29:08. > :29:10.interest on their debt. In fact it is a burden on the business rather
:29:10. > :29:22.than a help. Do you think there were gender
:29:22. > :29:26.assumptions or do you think you were difficult to work with? That is such
:29:26. > :29:33.an easy comment to make about a woman in business. I have had other
:29:33. > :29:39.comments like she's just wants to be a celebrity. I don't think we in
:29:39. > :29:41.this country should be discouraging women entrepreneurs in that way.
:29:41. > :29:45.this country should be discouraging That is a very sexist slander. It's
:29:45. > :29:50.not a slander, I am asking you the question, what was it that you think
:29:50. > :29:54.came from them? I think because they have a fear of women in business and
:29:54. > :30:00.I think they believe that the only way to work with women is to bully
:30:00. > :30:04.and control, rather than understand this person's an asset and if we
:30:04. > :30:11.collaborate we are going to get so much more out of this.
:30:11. > :30:23.What do you think accounted for the success of Jimmy Choo, was it the
:30:23. > :30:26.tailormanship, was it the design or was it the branding, the marketing?
:30:26. > :30:30.It was a combination of everything. I couldn't have done it if I didn't
:30:30. > :30:34.have the product. Everything always has to come back to the product. The
:30:35. > :30:41.most important thing for a luxury brand is quality and innovation.
:30:42. > :30:46.Innovation is a curious word because you found Jimmy Choo by all accounts
:30:46. > :30:50.who, you said never designed a single shoe. The plan was for Jimmy
:30:50. > :30:54.to design the collection and I would run the operations of the business.
:30:54. > :30:59.But it became very clear that Jimmy's technical skill was in, he
:30:59. > :31:10.was connectically skilled in making a shoe but didn't have the creative
:31:10. > :31:16.vision to design a collection. Wait! I lost my Khoo. How key do you think
:31:16. > :31:19.Sex And The City was to that whole brand understanding for Jimmy Choo?
:31:19. > :31:23.Sex And The City was to that whole That was a big milestone for us. It
:31:23. > :31:27.was huge, because it turns you into a household name overnight. Being in
:31:27. > :31:32.a glossy magazine is amazing and it value dates you, but that is the
:31:32. > :31:35.type of thing that you are just a household name and not all those
:31:35. > :31:40.people will buy your core product but it leads you into being able to
:31:40. > :31:46.do fragrance and sunglasses and the aspirational product that people can
:31:46. > :31:52.buy into. And that programme, your brand, sold the heel as a power tool
:31:53. > :32:00.for women. It was a you can do anything. The truth is, the heel is
:32:00. > :32:06.crippling, slow you down, make you precarious, don't give you power,
:32:06. > :32:11.they give you bunions. I could argue it the other way. I know that I feel
:32:11. > :32:17.more empowered when I am taller, I can look a man in the eye, and I
:32:17. > :32:23.like the way it holds my posture. And shoes, high heels should not be
:32:23. > :32:28.painful. Come on, tell me you have never had an uncomfortable pair? I
:32:28. > :32:33.have, but most shoe designers are men. This time round I have been
:32:33. > :32:36.back to the last factory in Italy and worked with the last maker to
:32:36. > :32:40.back to the last factory in Italy make sure my heels are comfortable,
:32:40. > :32:43.I don't want to be in pain. The Culture Secretary says she's hoping
:32:44. > :32:49.to say on Friday what the Government wants to do about regulating the
:32:49. > :32:53.press. Reported last night the sub-committee of the Privy Council
:32:53. > :32:54.considering the newspapers own ideas on the subject had Chucked them out
:32:54. > :32:59.considering the newspapers own ideas much the Government is now ducking
:32:59. > :33:03.and driving to try to find some form of words which might satisfy
:33:03. > :33:07.everyone not least Labour and the Liberal Democrats, who thought there
:33:07. > :33:15.was an agreed cross-party position on the issue. Here is an update on
:33:15. > :33:20.where we are now. In July 2011 the Leveson Inquiry was
:33:20. > :33:25.set up into phone hacking and so began a 30-month fight between the
:33:25. > :33:30.press and politicians. In November 2012 its report said hacking had
:33:30. > :33:33.wreaked havoc with lives of innocent people. By March 2013 all political
:33:33. > :33:38.parties supported a royal charter people. By March 2013 all political
:33:38. > :33:43.for press regulation. By April this would be rejected by all but two of
:33:43. > :33:47.Britain's 11 national newspapers. The other nine put forward their own
:33:47. > :33:51.royal charter and since early summer, a small group of cabinet
:33:51. > :33:57.ministers has been considering it. They wrapped up on Monday. Yesterday
:33:57. > :34:02.Newsnight revealed that the Cabinet ministers charged with reviewing the
:34:02. > :34:07.press's charter had rejected it and today following our revelations, the
:34:07. > :34:11.Culture Secretary came to the House of Commons to make an unscheduled
:34:11. > :34:15.statement. Yes, the Government would be rejecting the press's charter,
:34:15. > :34:22.but they had some compromises within it. The committee of the Privy
:34:22. > :34:29.Council is unable to recommend the press proposal for a royal charter
:34:29. > :34:34.be granted. Whilst there are areas where it is acceptable it is unable
:34:34. > :34:38.to comply with some important Leveson principles, having
:34:38. > :34:41.considered the press charter the committee has identified two
:34:41. > :34:47.substantive areas, access to arbitration and the editor's code.
:34:47. > :34:52.Where we could improve what's in the 18th March draft. Newsnight
:34:52. > :34:55.understands that Tory cabinet ministers on the Privy Council more
:34:55. > :34:59.mindful of newspapers a concerns pushed for two of their own
:34:59. > :35:03.overtures to the press, but another significant element revealed today
:35:03. > :35:08.was that the Tories accepted the eventual charter needs to be agreed
:35:08. > :35:11.by all three parties and so Labour has to approve everything in order
:35:11. > :35:16.for the eventual proposal to remain a cross-party one. We believe the
:35:16. > :35:18.charter should have been submitted for consideration at the Privy
:35:18. > :35:21.charter should have been submitted Council meeting tomorrow but it will
:35:21. > :35:25.not be going to that meeting because the Prime Minister has chosen to
:35:25. > :35:29.delay its submission to the end of this month. We regret this because
:35:29. > :35:33.there has been nearly a year since Leveson reported and six months
:35:33. > :35:37.since the House agreed the draft charter. Mr Speaker, there has
:35:37. > :35:41.already been too much delay. All involved know the victims of phone
:35:41. > :35:46.hacking are getting fed up with waiting, so the Labour Party now has
:35:46. > :35:51.to make decisions at a breakneck speed. Newsnight understands they
:35:52. > :35:59.feel they can wear one Tory compromise but are more concerned by
:35:59. > :36:03.a second one, over the editors code. All political parties must have
:36:03. > :36:09.agreed a final draft text by this Friday. If this new charter can't be
:36:09. > :36:13.agreed by then, then on October 30th the original cross-party charter so
:36:13. > :36:17.loathed by the press will be rubber-stamped.
:36:17. > :36:21.With us now is Jacqui Hames, the former police officer who had her
:36:21. > :36:24.phone hacked and is now a spokesperson for the Hacked Off
:36:24. > :36:31.campaign, and Roger altogetheron Executive Editor of the Times but is
:36:31. > :36:39.here as a hummable human being. All over for you guys, isn't it?
:36:39. > :36:43.Well, I wouldn't talk about one of the most important struggles for a
:36:43. > :36:48.key aspect of our democracy, freedom of the press as if it is Arsenal
:36:48. > :36:53.versus Norwich, and I think there is a very, very long way to go. The
:36:53. > :37:01.industry has made extraordinary concessions. Three days. Three days
:37:01. > :37:05.before the Privy Council decides whether to accept T there will be a
:37:05. > :37:09.lot of bargaining over the next few days. I think it won't work. Then we
:37:09. > :37:15.have to move on to the next step. The idea what the press which is
:37:15. > :37:20.given so much away, a million pound fines, massive investigatory powers,
:37:20. > :37:25.is going to accept something that nobody wants. It can't have a
:37:25. > :37:30.voluntary system of self-regulation. What do you mean nobody wants, you
:37:30. > :37:35.want it? I think so, the majority of the readers of the Times want T
:37:35. > :37:39.there was a U Gough poll commissioned by yourselves and your
:37:39. > :37:45.readers want you to accept the independent regulation that we are
:37:45. > :37:48.supporting. We completely accept the need to change the nature of
:37:48. > :37:56.regulation. We have put in place a hole heap of things. We don't want a
:37:56. > :38:00.stat tribody because that is the end of 300 years of the free press. You
:38:00. > :38:08.have to accept that. I Don't accept it whatsoever. By proposing your own
:38:08. > :38:10.own version of the royal charter aren't you accepting that is the
:38:10. > :38:15.own version of the royal charter mechanism to do this. There are two
:38:15. > :38:22.choices, one which is compliant with the representations of a judge who
:38:22. > :38:27.sat down and had a very intensive inquiry and his recommendations are
:38:27. > :38:31.accepted not only by parliament, all three parties for the first time in
:38:31. > :38:36.goodness knows how many years have agreed but also by the majority of
:38:36. > :38:40.the public. Your readership, they want you to be regulated
:38:40. > :38:50.independently. You know the public's on her side. I question that.
:38:50. > :38:54.Really? The we have one of the great raucous Viteal presses in the Welsh
:38:54. > :38:59.world. Which goes around hacking people's phones. Those were shocking
:38:59. > :39:04.criminal offences and a heap of trials are about to take place. Do
:39:04. > :39:08.we need more laws. There are laws engulfing the press. You don't want
:39:08. > :39:14.to have parliament involved. You must admit that. Hacked off doesn't
:39:14. > :39:22.like the press. What you have to look at is the press charter had
:39:23. > :39:27.more opportunities within it for politicians to be involved than the
:39:27. > :39:32.one that Lord Justice Leveson is compliant. You have to actually take
:39:32. > :39:35.a bit of a calmer view. I know it is passionate, we all feel passionate
:39:35. > :39:42.about free speech. I would not be sitting here if I thought for one
:39:42. > :39:46.moment that was in danger. If this particular proposal kills off some
:39:46. > :39:53.newspapers as the newspaper industry say, it may well local newspapers,
:39:53. > :39:58.then would that be a good outcome? , don't think that is the case,
:39:58. > :40:01.clearly there is a revolution going on with technology and news
:40:01. > :40:06.gathering and output in the way that it is consumed by the public. I
:40:06. > :40:11.think that is every industry is going through that because of the
:40:11. > :40:15.world, the electronic world we live in. That is nothing to do with the
:40:15. > :40:19.fact that the public are sick of being bullied and having this
:40:19. > :40:27.culture of newspapers taking advantage of their power. You can't
:40:27. > :40:34.have a voluntary system where the volunteers don't want to volunteer.
:40:34. > :40:39.I think what will happen is judicial review possibility. I think that you
:40:39. > :40:42.could go to Europe because we think it is an unjust law and see what
:40:42. > :40:47.Europe has to say. The idea papers are going to roll over and do
:40:47. > :40:51.something they don't believe in is unlikely. I would hope we don't. I
:40:51. > :40:58.would rather do anything than submit to something that is such a brazen
:40:58. > :41:03.blockage on a great, great institution in Britain. The sad
:41:03. > :41:06.thing is you need to read the recommendations of Leveson and you
:41:06. > :41:15.will realise it enshrines free speech. He has had them. One thing
:41:15. > :41:20.you can guarantee he has read them. The recognition body, whether that
:41:20. > :41:26.is parliamentary or whether it is set up in the way we would... There
:41:26. > :41:31.are plenty of safeguards to ensure you would need three-quarters of the
:41:31. > :41:41.Houses of Parliament to agree to start change changing it. Certainly
:41:41. > :41:46.that there are more safeguards... Thank you very much. Two October
:41:46. > :41:53.general areas achieved a triumph today when they were awarded the
:41:53. > :42:02.Nobel Prize for physics. One was a Belgian, the other is Peter Higgs of
:42:02. > :42:13.Edinburgh University, the man after the Higgs boson was named.
:42:13. > :42:17.Dr Heinz Wolff is going to tell us about it, but first here is the man
:42:17. > :42:24.himself explaining what a Higgs boson is.
:42:24. > :42:40.The Higgs boson is associated with this field, it is the relation
:42:40. > :42:49.between waves and particles, electro electromagnetive waves, waves in
:42:49. > :42:58.this quantity which oz lates up and down that trough. That probably
:42:58. > :43:04.tells you nothing. So, to assist us is another October general area, Dr
:43:04. > :43:10.Heinz Wolff, how old are you? 85. You are in sprightly form. Explain
:43:10. > :43:14.to us what is the Higgs boson. Let me explain something else, I have a
:43:14. > :43:22.pebble here, and it has a property, a mass, if I throw it at you, you
:43:22. > :43:29.would get hurt, you get hurt because the speed of the particle and the
:43:29. > :43:33.mass which conveys the energy. Physicists have tried to get a
:43:33. > :43:41.unified theory of how mass actually works. The theory was, if there are
:43:41. > :43:46.three particles which were essentially massless. There was a
:43:46. > :43:50.gap, like having built a Lego model and there is a hole in it and you
:43:50. > :44:00.have to find a piece to fill the hole. Peter Higgs, 40 years ago,
:44:00. > :44:06.operating at a mental level of mathematics and theoretical physics,
:44:06. > :44:11.said there must be a particle which fits the hole, which conveys a
:44:11. > :44:21.property of mass to all other particles. People People built huge
:44:21. > :44:29.pieces of machinery. The Higgs boson particles. People People built huge
:44:29. > :44:33.was produced. He had thought of it, but it was produced. What is the
:44:33. > :44:39.golf ball and torch got to do with it? I was just, the torch I brought
:44:39. > :44:44.because to make particles isn't very difficult, there are particles
:44:45. > :44:50.coming out of the front of here now. They are don't have mass because
:44:50. > :45:01.they have frequency. I can't make the other particles. What he had
:45:01. > :45:07.worked out in his mind turned out 20 decades later to be true. That is a
:45:08. > :45:10.very considerable achievement. And it's taken billions of pounds and
:45:10. > :45:14.very considerable achievement. And hundreds of engineers and hundreds
:45:14. > :45:21.of scientists to construct a machine which was capable of producing the
:45:21. > :45:27.huge energies which are required to liberate the Higgs boson. There may
:45:27. > :45:35.be more than one, but people now believe that the theory is very
:45:35. > :45:40.nearly complete and the physicist can explain by enlarge what matters
:45:40. > :45:44.are made of and why it has mass. If you think about the Higgs boson, it
:45:44. > :45:48.isn't the particles, they aren't spheres, but they have a force field
:45:48. > :45:57.around them. Any other particle which is in that field requires
:45:57. > :46:03.mass. Therefore can convey energy. That is what it is. Part of the
:46:03. > :46:09.problem was the difficulty of making it, because it could only be made by
:46:09. > :46:13.getting two protons, which are particles that do have mass, to
:46:13. > :46:17.collide in a very large piece of machinery at the speed of light, and
:46:17. > :46:23.the fragments that come out of this, one of them turned out to be the
:46:23. > :46:28.Higgs boson. Brilliant, I am almost there, thank you very much.
:46:28. > :46:33.Tomorrow morning's front pages, almost all of them go with the
:46:33. > :46:39.accusation that The Guardian has haven'ted a gift to terrorist with
:46:39. > :46:44.its revelations about surveillance mechanisms. That is about it for
:46:44. > :46:51.tonight. We will be back tomorrow. Before we go, they are remaking the
:46:51. > :46:56.famous horror movie Carrie, about a girl who uses her telly Kennetic
:46:56. > :47:01.powers to exact revenge on her tormentors. A new film-maker has
:47:01. > :47:04.modified a New York coffee shop and hired actors and cameras among the
:47:04. > :47:06.modified a New York coffee shop and real customers. This is what
:47:06. > :47:13.happened. Good night.
:47:13. > :47:21.Oh my God. You just ruined all of my stuff. It's nap kins, clean it up.
:47:22. > :47:26.There is coffee inside my computer. Just get away from me.