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:00:10. > :00:19.Could a business degree boost your job prospects? Look no further and

:00:20. > :00:24.don't worry about studying. JTSDZ we are starting with high-level

:00:25. > :00:32.macro-economics. It cost our friend Pete of Battersea Dogs Home just ?50

:00:33. > :00:36.to enrol with an MBA with a virtual guarantee for an MBA at the end of

:00:37. > :00:39.it. A former Prime Minister wades into

:00:40. > :00:43.the energy row and calls for a windfall tax. I think it would be

:00:44. > :00:49.entirely reasonable for the Chancellor then to recoup that money

:00:50. > :00:53.back from the energy company in a one-off impost. The Prime Minister

:00:54. > :00:59.definitely doesn't like it. Why would Facebook want to be used to

:01:00. > :01:02.show pictures of people being beheaded?

:01:03. > :01:05.And in Kabul, we're on the touch-line reporting a good news

:01:06. > :01:09.story. In a country still suffering from

:01:10. > :01:13.the chaos and injustice of war they are celebrating a game where you

:01:14. > :01:25.play by the rules. Where the referee's word is final. As anyone

:01:26. > :01:28.who has slogged their way to get there and then slogged their way

:01:29. > :01:34.through years of study there, a university degree can be a hard won

:01:35. > :01:37.thing, and expensive nowadays too. But supposing that you could pay

:01:38. > :01:42.some money and get a degree without having to do any work at all. A

:01:43. > :01:47.Newsnight investigation has found one on-line university, offering a

:01:48. > :01:49.high-level degree, in exchange for nothing other than thousands of

:01:50. > :01:54.pounds. Crickets say that unless something is done to crack down, the

:01:55. > :02:09.good name of British education could be dragged through the mud.

:02:10. > :02:20.Lectures and libraries, books and examples, taily life for most

:02:21. > :02:26.students. Higher education is meant to be something you can trust,

:02:27. > :02:31.standard recognised around the world. Too often though things may

:02:32. > :02:40.not be quite what they seem. There is place where it's possible to get

:02:41. > :02:44.hold of top degrees and diplomas, no checks, regulations or standards.

:02:45. > :02:48.Away from the real world on the Internet, it can seem that more or

:02:49. > :02:53.less anything goes. Dodgy degrees are nothing new. Black markets in

:02:54. > :02:56.fake bits of parchment go back to 14th century Europe. But the

:02:57. > :03:03.Internet has transformed the business of dubious qualifications

:03:04. > :03:09.into a billion dollar industry. It is now thought 200,000 degrees are

:03:10. > :03:14.dished out each year by unrecognised virtual universities, based entirely

:03:15. > :03:16.on-line. Carolyn Campbell runs the international section of the quality

:03:17. > :03:23.assurance agency which checks standards in British universities.

:03:24. > :03:29.Nowadays we see that these diploma and Boeing news providers are able

:03:30. > :03:33.to adopt the apparatus of regular universities. They can see what goes

:03:34. > :03:36.on in these institutions and they replicate it. They are very

:03:37. > :03:44.difficult to track. They are very difficult to find, actually, because

:03:45. > :03:50.they are operating on the Internet. So, armed with just a laptop, we

:03:51. > :03:53.started to look into this lucrative business. To hand out a British

:03:54. > :03:58.degree you have to be recognised by parliament. But there is a loophole,

:03:59. > :04:03.it is perfectly legal to give the impression a university is run here

:04:04. > :04:09.but in reality incorporate it on an obscure island with no regulation.

:04:10. > :04:12.It is thought there are now around 350 unaccredited universities, just

:04:13. > :04:20.like that, linked to the UK. Triple the number of officially recognised

:04:21. > :04:25.institutions. Take the American University of London, founded by

:04:26. > :04:46.this man, Professor Michael It describes itself as one of the

:04:47. > :04:56.leading distance universities in the world, with more than 100 thousand

:04:57. > :05:00.students since it was founded. This is an investigative journalist

:05:01. > :05:08.specialising in internet verge, we worked with him to take a closer

:05:09. > :05:12.look at the university. It might be called the American University of

:05:13. > :05:18.London, you can see it is incorporated in St Kitts and Nevis,

:05:19. > :05:22.an island where a lot of these institutions are based. That is a

:05:23. > :05:26.few thousand miles away from where it is suggested it is based here in

:05:27. > :05:29.London. Here is the location of the Post Office box, there is nothing

:05:30. > :05:33.there, they don't seem to have a physical location in London at all.

:05:34. > :05:36.What about the people actually running the university, what do we

:05:37. > :05:44.know about them? On the website there is a video of them both. There

:05:45. > :05:51.is Professor Michael Nimier, and Sonya Grime, a registrar. From

:05:52. > :05:55.public records we know they are living in beckons field in the UK.

:05:56. > :06:06.The phone number that the university lists is a by-election cons field --

:06:07. > :06:12.Beconsfield area and the tuition fees go in to bank in the local

:06:13. > :06:17.area. While it is based in St Kitts, it appears the company is operated

:06:18. > :06:20.out of the UK. On its web side the American University of London says

:06:21. > :06:24.it does not award British qualifications, it has claimed to be

:06:25. > :06:27.recognised by three different American institutions. All these

:06:28. > :06:31.themselves are unofficial and unrecognised. It used to say it was

:06:32. > :06:34.accredited in Norway, but the people there said that never happened. It

:06:35. > :06:39.is though listed as bogus by the agency that values degrees for the

:06:40. > :06:44.Italian Government. It has been blacklisted in five US states,

:06:45. > :06:50.including Texas, where it is illegal to use any of its qualifications to

:06:51. > :06:54.get a job. Looking on-line the university does boast an impressive

:06:55. > :06:57.faculty list, with some well-qualified superviser, but when

:06:58. > :07:01.we contacted five western academics on that list, all said that he had

:07:02. > :07:07.never worked there and never agreed for their names to be used. The

:07:08. > :07:14.American academic George Golin has spent much of his year researching

:07:15. > :07:17.the murky world of unaccredited education. If you look closely they

:07:18. > :07:20.American University of London, it doesn't hold up and doesn't have

:07:21. > :07:25.legal authority for degrees, they are not degrees just pieces of

:07:26. > :07:29.paper. They are charging a lot for a product that does not stand up to

:07:30. > :07:34.scrutiny. I am GAESing they are not able to -- I'm guessing they are not

:07:35. > :07:39.able to sell many degrees into countries where English is the first

:07:40. > :07:42.language. The university says most graduates study at independent

:07:43. > :07:46.colleges overseas. Those affiliated are independent with their own

:07:47. > :07:51.staff, subject to their own local laws. The American University of

:07:52. > :07:55.London, simply takes a fee to set the curriculum, and issues

:07:56. > :07:58.graduation certificates in its own name. Given the web of colleges

:07:59. > :08:02.involved, it is hard to know how much work these students have done

:08:03. > :08:09.and what the quality of teaching is like. We wanted to see how easy it

:08:10. > :08:16.might be to get a degree direct from the university itself. What we are

:08:17. > :08:20.looking at here is the holey GRAL of macro-economics by Richard Coup. We

:08:21. > :08:23.found one crack student and got to work training him up. Notice in

:08:24. > :08:27.chapter seven there is a whole section here about Japanese interest

:08:28. > :08:32.rates from 1990 right the way through to 2007. If you could pay

:08:33. > :08:37.attention for a second. Meet Pete from Battersea, we drew up a

:08:38. > :08:41.one-page CV for Pete in the name of an invented 36-year-old management

:08:42. > :08:50.consultant. With 15 years work experience and a 2. . . : 1 degree.

:08:51. > :08:54.Standard background for the masters in business he was applying for. In

:08:55. > :09:13.just four days the decision came Just two weeks, he wouldn't be

:09:14. > :09:33.expected to submit any more work? We applied for a masters degree,

:09:34. > :09:37.based only on life skills and work experience. It was awarded straight

:09:38. > :09:44.away. We were told no studying or extra work was needed whatsoever. So

:09:45. > :09:51.long as we paid the ?4,500 fee. I wouldn't want you to think that I'm

:09:52. > :09:59.cynical but this CV in itself is weak. And so at the moment just

:10:00. > :10:04.having a first glance of this warning bells are going off in my

:10:05. > :10:15.ear. We showed our written application to Jan Banford at London

:10:16. > :10:19.Metropolitan University that runs accredited courses. I don't know how

:10:20. > :10:23.true this is, I can't believe you get an offer. Would this be enough

:10:24. > :10:30.for a legitimate university to award an MBA? It is nonsense. Absolutely,

:10:31. > :10:34.I find it incredible any organisation awarding an MBA on what

:10:35. > :10:37.essentially amounts to an application form there, but the

:10:38. > :10:43.evidence is one piece of paper. None of this would matter, of course, if

:10:44. > :10:47.the American University of London had no students. But on professional

:10:48. > :10:51.networking sites there are hundreds of senior executives, all graduates

:10:52. > :10:56.of the university. We found the chief executive of a multinational

:10:57. > :11:00.drugs company and an expert in terrorist rehabilitation to who

:11:01. > :11:03.served in Iraq. Others with senior qualifications include a

:11:04. > :11:09.psychologist from Birmingham who gives expert testimony in court

:11:10. > :11:13.cases. Dr Robert Oakes was awarded his PhD, five months after first

:11:14. > :11:17.submitting workment he told us he had spent 18 months on his own

:11:18. > :11:21.background research. He was already a registered forensic psychologist,

:11:22. > :11:26.based on a previous degree. He said he believed the American University

:11:27. > :11:31.of London was properly accredited, but has now taken the accreditation

:11:32. > :11:37.off his CV. We found a senior executive in the nuclear power

:11:38. > :11:43.industry. Dr Rita Bowser was in charge of selling nuclear reactors

:11:44. > :11:47.in the UK. He was awarded her DBA after what she describes significant

:11:48. > :11:50.amounts of course work. Her employer says she's well qualified for her

:11:51. > :11:55.job, with 30 years experience and two previous degrees, including a

:11:56. > :11:58.masters from Georgia Tech, a respected university. All of those

:11:59. > :12:03.individuals have told us they did submit work to get their degree. But

:12:04. > :12:08.the point is, because the American University of London is not checked

:12:09. > :12:11.or accredited by any recognised body we can't know what the standard was

:12:12. > :12:17.like or how much work they did. What we do know is that as in our case

:12:18. > :12:22.the bar can be as low ascending off one fictitious made-up CV and

:12:23. > :12:25.getting a degree back two weeks later. Why is it these private

:12:26. > :12:30.institutions don't have the same checks and balances that

:12:31. > :12:33.universities have? I think it is a huge concern.

:12:34. > :12:38.It undermines the very essence of the education process that people

:12:39. > :12:45.can gain a diploma, or offer one without any of the processes that

:12:46. > :12:50.are required by universities. All right Already there is pressure

:12:51. > :12:55.on our university system, this week the Government said places will have

:12:56. > :12:59.to rise by a quarter to meet demand. On-line learning is meant to fill

:13:00. > :13:03.some of that gap. But with few standards and little regulation, we

:13:04. > :13:10.might have some way to go until we can really trust education on the

:13:11. > :13:41.Worldwide Web. In statement the American University of London

:13:42. > :13:47.The man who you saw in that piece and worked on the investigation is

:13:48. > :13:51.here now. How widespread is this problem? There is thousands of

:13:52. > :13:56.people at that university alone, CEOs, very senior executives, and

:13:57. > :14:00.thousands of others at the other 300 institutions in the UK. It is a

:14:01. > :14:05.multibillion dollar problem, it doesn't seem to be going away. It

:14:06. > :14:09.has been brought to the governments attention, what are they doing about

:14:10. > :14:12.it? The Department of Business, innovation and skills were told

:14:13. > :14:17.about it. They said Companies House needs to investigate. They said it

:14:18. > :14:20.is not their problem. They are not based here, they are based overseas,

:14:21. > :14:24.OK Trading Standards were looking into it. Trading Standards said the

:14:25. > :14:29.same thing, it is based in St Kitts and Nevis it is not our problem. We

:14:30. > :14:33.sent a whole dossier of material and said they are based, the people are

:14:34. > :14:39.based in the UK, there should be something that can be done about it.

:14:40. > :14:43.Most importantly, the very well qualified dog what has become of

:14:44. > :14:47.him? I'm hearing the dog is still at Battersea, but very well qualified

:14:48. > :14:52.for the position's about to fill. I imagine we will be besieged, or

:14:53. > :14:56.Battersea will be besieged by anxious would-be owners of a very

:14:57. > :15:01.well-qualified pet. Thank you very much. Coming up:

:15:02. > :15:07.Newsnight thought that you would be suffering from withdrawal symptoms

:15:08. > :15:14.from the Great British Bake Off, for your enjoyment, the Newsnight Orange

:15:15. > :15:20.SKA Lemon Cake, the most important ingredient, a little glass of wine.

:15:21. > :15:23.The row over energy prices drew in another senior politician today, the

:15:24. > :15:26.former Prime Minister, John Major, a man who doesn't normally say much

:15:27. > :15:30.about anything wondered about bringing in a windfall tax on the

:15:31. > :15:35.energy companies which have hiked their prices. David Cameron's glove

:15:36. > :15:39.puppet called it an interesting contribution, which is another way

:15:40. > :15:45.of saying, thanks for nothing! The Government has no plans for a

:15:46. > :15:49.windfall tax and meanwhile knows how popular is Ed Miliband's campaign

:15:50. > :15:56.that he will freeze energy prices should he get elected. A man who had

:15:57. > :16:00.power and one who wants it, together at Margaret Thatcher's funeral. And

:16:01. > :16:05.again today Sir John Major appeared close to Ed Miliband on energy

:16:06. > :16:09.prices. There are a number of ideas I think the suggestion made by Mr

:16:10. > :16:13.Miliband shows his head is in the right place. I don't think it is a

:16:14. > :16:17.workable proposition. I do think without some action if we have a

:16:18. > :16:21.hard winter, which is quite likely, there are many people this winter

:16:22. > :16:24.who will have to choose between keeping warm and eating. I don't

:16:25. > :16:26.think that is acceptable. I think there is a very real chance this

:16:27. > :16:30.winter that the Government will be forced by events to provide more

:16:31. > :16:34.assistance to people facing real difficulties. If that proves to be

:16:35. > :16:37.the case, then I think it would be entirely reasonable for the

:16:38. > :16:42.Chancellor then to recoup that money back from the energy companies in a

:16:43. > :16:47.one-off impost, given the SKAFL their profits and the unjustified

:16:48. > :16:52.nature of the very high increases they have imposed. For Sir John to

:16:53. > :16:58.clamber back on his soapbox things must be bad, in 1997, then Prime

:16:59. > :17:04.Minister, he opposed Labour's plan for a windfall tax on privatised

:17:05. > :17:07.utilities. Labour's windfall tax would drain the profits of

:17:08. > :17:19.privatised companies in order to pay for their own spending plans. Those

:17:20. > :17:23.Sir John -- though Sir John quibbles with Ed Miliband's method, the

:17:24. > :17:27.backbenchers want action too? I welcome the idea of a windfall tax,

:17:28. > :17:32.I have been proposing that for some time, not just energy companies, but

:17:33. > :17:36.all utility companies, looking at water bills and other companies as

:17:37. > :17:40.well. The way it would work is the company would eithering fined by the

:17:41. > :17:44.regulators if they are under performing and charging excessive

:17:45. > :17:48.amounts to the public, which many of them are for the moment. The

:17:49. > :17:52.regulator or the Government would take it and give it back to the

:17:53. > :17:56.consumer in the form of lower prices. Thatcher taxed oil in the

:17:57. > :18:02.1980s and George Osborne imposed emergency levels on the banks --

:18:03. > :18:09.levies on the banks. Windfalls are not Anwar nat MA to the Tories.

:18:10. > :18:14.Is Sir John kite flying for the Government, on this occasion as he

:18:15. > :18:18.has done on so many previous ones. It is quite difficult to call, but

:18:19. > :18:22.it appears probably not. The reason is this, this week was supposed to

:18:23. > :18:27.be the week when the Government changed the story from Ed Miliband's

:18:28. > :18:31.energy price freeze to George Osborne's thaw in the British

:18:32. > :18:34.economy. With Sir John's intervention it becomes a bit more

:18:35. > :18:39.difficult for the Conservatives. Today many at the top of the Tory

:18:40. > :18:44.Party might be hoping that the grey man of British politics had been a

:18:45. > :18:48.little bit more DPRA. Today Downing Street's reaction was cool. Sir

:18:49. > :18:54.John's intervention was "interesting "they said, except this are no plans

:18:55. > :18:57.for it. As Lib Demes fought Tory plans to cut green taxes from energy

:18:58. > :19:06.bills, the Conservatives want more to say on this hot subject. -- the

:19:07. > :19:12.Lib Demes want more to say on the hot DUBT. We have our guests with

:19:13. > :19:17.us, Brooks Newmar, if you did this you might become popular again? Is

:19:18. > :19:22.that a question? Yes it is, a suggestion, a helpful suggestion,

:19:23. > :19:27.follow John Prescott's advice? I'm sure as David Cameron has had his

:19:28. > :19:31.interesting idea, I suspect it will be kicked into touch. The reason for

:19:32. > :19:35.is if you target companies through taxation that price rise will be

:19:36. > :19:39.passed on to the consumer. A much better way of approaching this

:19:40. > :19:42.problem is through the regulator. The big flaw in that argument is

:19:43. > :19:48.that John Major is man who knows how to win elections and David Cameron

:19:49. > :19:53.has never won a general election has he? Well we made huge strides in

:19:54. > :19:57.2010, but I think on the subject which you were discussing here,

:19:58. > :20:00.which is whether to have a tax or have a more robust policy with the

:20:01. > :20:05.regulator to control prices that way, that's a much better approach,

:20:06. > :20:10.I think. So you are ruling out although it is advice for from man

:20:11. > :20:15.with a proven record? I'm just disagreeing with John Major who is

:20:16. > :20:21.now an ordinary citizen, he's no longer Prime Minister. Yes, but he

:20:22. > :20:26.could win elections? I'm giving you my view. Flintoff do you support --

:20:27. > :20:31.Caroline Flint do you support the windfall tax? I don't, because I

:20:32. > :20:36.think the freeze is better and is good for everyone who is a bill

:20:37. > :20:39.payer. You would oppose the Government taking the advice? We

:20:40. > :20:43.support a freeze ander urging David Cameron to do that. That is after

:20:44. > :20:47.the next election? But the reason is because a freeze is simple to

:20:48. > :20:51.implement but benefits every bill pay e and behind what we need to

:20:52. > :20:55.address what John Major said today about excessive profits and

:20:56. > :21:00.unacceptable IP creases is the fact we haven't got -- increases and the

:21:01. > :21:03.fact we haven't a strong regulator and Labour is answering those

:21:04. > :21:07.questions as well which the Government isn't. Tony Blair wasn't

:21:08. > :21:11.afraid of a windfall tax was he? If you remember the windfall tax on the

:21:12. > :21:15.utilities there, we felt strongly and believed, and were right to do

:21:16. > :21:18.so that it was undervalued when it was sold into private hands.

:21:19. > :21:23.Therefore we were recouping a sale that went ahead that was undervalued

:21:24. > :21:27.and bringing some money back to the taxpayer to pay for young unemployed

:21:28. > :21:32.people. Today it is different, we are tackling the problem of

:21:33. > :21:35.overcharging and the customer paying the price. The similarity, of

:21:36. > :21:40.course, is he too was a man who knew how to win elections. Yes, he was.

:21:41. > :21:43.He was very good at it. But the truth is as well is that we need a

:21:44. > :21:46.different prescription for the problem we have today. That problem

:21:47. > :21:50.is about a market that is not competitive enough and a regulator

:21:51. > :21:53.that hasn't got any teeth. If the Government does take up John Major's

:21:54. > :21:58.advice, just to be clear about this, and brings in a windfall tax, you

:21:59. > :22:01.will vote against it? We will be pursuing our policy of a freeze. We

:22:02. > :22:05.are urging the Government to do that. That is not an answer. At the

:22:06. > :22:08.moment what we have heard today is that the Government think it is

:22:09. > :22:11."interesting "what Sir John Major said and they will not sign up to

:22:12. > :22:15.it. The truth is they have no policies to address the fact that we

:22:16. > :22:18.haven't got enough competition and the regulator doesn't work. We are

:22:19. > :22:21.sticking with our package, it is clear, simple and about addressing

:22:22. > :22:26.fundamental problems of why this market is not working as well as it

:22:27. > :22:30.should. If they were to decide on the windfall tax, you might vote for

:22:31. > :22:35.it, clearly. Let's see what they come up with, they are all over the

:22:36. > :22:38.shop because they cannot make up their minds, they know they have a

:22:39. > :22:41.problem. And John Major has added fuel on the flames today about the

:22:42. > :22:44.problems they are facial. We have a clear plan. -- facing. We have a

:22:45. > :22:49.clear plan. Why doesn't the Government accept that to tackle

:22:50. > :22:52.regulation and competition our proposals around separating

:22:53. > :22:58.generation and retail, having a pool and new regulator are the answer.

:22:59. > :23:03.Can I answer her on that? I think I know what she is going to

:23:04. > :23:06.say. They are even asking you for answers because they haven't any

:23:07. > :23:10.answers to the problem. She is getting very interesting there. Why

:23:11. > :23:13.is it your party seems uniquely to be the only one that doesn't

:23:14. > :23:17.recognise there is something gone seriously wrong with the way this

:23:18. > :23:20.alleged market works? There are two answers to, that the Government has

:23:21. > :23:23.approached it and the Prime Minister has made it very clear that we will

:23:24. > :23:30.simplify the number of tiers there are to ensure. Tiers, what tiers? To

:23:31. > :23:32.ensure the consumer better understands the price points people

:23:33. > :23:37.can purchase their energy. Number one, there is a simplification

:23:38. > :23:41.process? Of tarrifs. Of tarrifs, which ensures that people can try

:23:42. > :23:50.and get the lowest price available. The second thing is, unlike king can

:23:51. > :23:55.NUT -- King Canute, which Ed Miliband thinks he is, we can't take

:23:56. > :23:59.on market forces and prices. We can't go back to the 1970s with

:24:00. > :24:05.price controls. What we can do is agree on one thing which is that the

:24:06. > :24:09.regulate to. So no change. So the regulator needs more teeth, you and

:24:10. > :24:14.I will agree on that, nothing else. Nobody agrees -- everyone agrees

:24:15. > :24:22.with simplifying the tarrifs, it is not enough. We have four years of

:24:23. > :24:26.data from Ofgem. You #130R the Government -- you support the

:24:27. > :24:31.Government's plan to simplify tarrifs? Of course, but it is not UN

:24:32. > :24:35.wholesale prices have dropped, that hasn't been passeden to the

:24:36. > :24:39.consumer, and the chief executive of Ovo, a small supplier, said over

:24:40. > :24:42.this week since 2011 wholesale prices haven't increased, what is

:24:43. > :24:46.going on. All you is surmise out of this, that somewhere within the

:24:47. > :24:50.self-supply that these companies operate, and they generate and sell

:24:51. > :24:53.to themselves, they are overhyping the wholesale cost and we are paying

:24:54. > :24:56.the price and your Prime Minister isn't dealing with that. The best

:24:57. > :25:02.way to deal with it is through the regulator, not increasing tax,

:25:03. > :25:07.because they are passed on to the Consumer with higher prices. Even

:25:08. > :25:10.the presence of no fewer than 11 foreign ministers all wanting much

:25:11. > :25:15.the same thing couldn't produce a clear result when the Syrian Civil

:25:16. > :25:18.War was discussed in London today. William Hague made the unsurprising

:25:19. > :25:28.observation that finding way of ending a war which has already gone

:25:29. > :25:34.on for over two years will be "formidably D ifficult". We have

:25:35. > :25:42.this report and it contains flash YOEFy. -- photography.

:25:43. > :25:45.The friend of Syria convened in London, neighbours and opposition

:25:46. > :25:49.supporters such as the UK, US and France. Now that there is date in

:25:50. > :25:55.the diary for a peace conference in Geneva, it is time to focus minds.

:25:56. > :26:01.But even the host didn't sound too optimistic. I don't want to minimise

:26:02. > :26:07.in any way the difficulties and the enormous challenges in making a

:26:08. > :26:10.success of Geneva II as it has become known. Never the less we

:26:11. > :26:15.believe it is very important to begin that process. It is a process

:26:16. > :26:19.rather than an event. It isn't a meeting that takes place for one or

:26:20. > :26:24.two days and everybody has reached agreement. It is a, it is the

:26:25. > :26:32.beginning of a process. That is very important to try. And how to get

:26:33. > :26:37.meaningful dialogue? Saudi Arabia mocks the process and backs a rebel

:26:38. > :26:42.umbrella group that won't even be at Geneva. Russia, for its part, will

:26:43. > :26:47.talk about transition in Syria but doesn't accept that President Assad

:26:48. > :26:52.has to accept down. He has just hinted that he might run for

:26:53. > :26:56.President next year. The Syrian opposition coalition, the

:26:57. > :26:59.westerners' main hope in this, who haven't confirmed they will be at

:27:00. > :27:11.the Geneva table were asked today how they could possibly attend under

:27:12. > :27:16.these circumstances? TRANSLATION: They are going to Geneva II with the

:27:17. > :27:19.understanding of Geneva I, which states specifically that Al-Assad

:27:20. > :27:27.will not be part of the solution, that Al-Assad will leave and

:27:28. > :27:30.Al-Assad will not be there. His opposition group will decide the

:27:31. > :27:36.week after next whether to go to Geneva. There the moderates, many of

:27:37. > :27:42.the most effective militant brigades won't go near the table, which begs

:27:43. > :27:47.the question, why should the Assad Government go to Geneva if the

:27:48. > :27:51.participants can't even deliver a deal. Mark has put on his best suit

:27:52. > :27:57.and joined us now. If the prospect is so bad, why are they even

:27:58. > :28:02.thinking about it? Well, it is a very legitimate question, they would

:28:03. > :28:05.say that they think it can work, the conference can be convened, but they

:28:06. > :28:10.have been trying to get this together throughout the summer, the

:28:11. > :28:15.idea was first mooted several months ago, the deadline slipped from May

:28:16. > :28:19.to June, they seem to think that by fixing date in the diary they might

:28:20. > :28:24.force people to come to their senses and come to it. My honest view is I

:28:25. > :28:28.think it is simply because the diplomats in the UK, in France, in

:28:29. > :28:33.the US feel there has to be some hope. That if they admit this is

:28:34. > :28:37.impossible it will simply become a self-fulfilling prophesy and they

:28:38. > :28:41.should try to do it. Some fascinating remarks tonight though

:28:42. > :28:46.about whether or not President Assad can survive. Now, of course, both

:28:47. > :28:50.John Kerry in London today and William Hague were saying this

:28:51. > :28:54.process we are asking people to sign up to involves a transition from the

:28:55. > :28:59.Assad Government to a successor democratic Government. Bob Gate, the

:29:00. > :29:03.former US Defence Secretary, we are hearing tonight an academic meeting

:29:04. > :29:07.said by agreeing to the chemical weapons deal with Assad, the US and

:29:08. > :29:10.others may be prolonging his survival. If he isn't there to

:29:11. > :29:17.deliver the deal then how on earth is this going to work? That may be

:29:18. > :29:21.one reason why Mr Assad is feeling more emboldened, and just been the

:29:22. > :29:55.past 24 hours suggested he may run for President again next summer.

:29:56. > :30:03.It doesn't the billionares in California, one jot, we report

:30:04. > :30:07.Today's news-based quiz question, please say which of the following

:30:08. > :30:13.you find most offensive, someone rolling a joint, someone's naked

:30:14. > :30:18.breasts not engaged in the act of breast-feeding, someone taking the

:30:19. > :30:25.air as nature intended, or a video of someone being decapitated. For

:30:26. > :30:29.many the answer is so obvious to render the question absurd. Which is

:30:30. > :30:38.why the decision of Facebook to allow again the posting of videos

:30:39. > :30:45.depicting beheadings is bizarre says the Prime Minister. He said today:

:30:46. > :30:49.The Home Office Minister, James Brokenshire says Facebook needs a

:30:50. > :30:54.re-think. I think many parents across the country will be deeply

:30:55. > :31:00.disturbed and shocked by this sudden decision of Facebook to allow these

:31:01. > :31:03.grossly offensive videos back on to their website. They clearly

:31:04. > :31:07.recognised there was a serious problem when they decided that this

:31:08. > :31:11.material needed to be taken down earlier this year. It is strange

:31:12. > :31:17.that they have now sought to put this back on without any clarity as

:31:18. > :31:20.to the protections afforded to children and giving parents that

:31:21. > :31:24.assurance that these issues will be dealt with properly. The Prime

:31:25. > :31:29.Minister copped a bit of ridicule for his TWEET about Facebook posting

:31:30. > :31:33.videos when of course Facebook is platform, it is the users who post

:31:34. > :31:39.videos. But even so, the question is why allow such appalling content

:31:40. > :32:02.back on to the site? In a statement the company said: back

:32:03. > :32:09.The company is determined to preserve Facebook's capacity to

:32:10. > :32:13.harness international outrage, to be a medium for social change. To

:32:14. > :32:21.spread news of human rights violations right around the world.

:32:22. > :32:26.As an example of this social action, here is the 2012 campaign to

:32:27. > :32:34.publicise the war crimes of the Ugandan guerrilla leader, Joesph

:32:35. > :32:39.Kony. Anticensorship campaigners say context is everything. It is a huge

:32:40. > :32:45.platform Facebook, and it is used for a lot of different purposes,

:32:46. > :32:50.from sharing pictures of family to as Facebook say discussing news

:32:51. > :32:53.events and politics. I think they want platform as open as possible

:32:54. > :33:01.and allows people to use it in a variety of ways. These videos are no

:33:02. > :33:04.doubt HOR rend -- horrendous, but if people want to talk about the

:33:05. > :33:08.brutality of war and terror, they should be allowed to view these

:33:09. > :33:12.things. This afternoon as a result of the pressure they have been

:33:13. > :33:17.under, Facebook began posting warnings alongside the videos.

:33:18. > :33:20.Children are inquisitive, the likelihood is they will open the

:33:21. > :33:24.sites and have a look. What I would like to see really is more

:33:25. > :33:27.discussion with Facebook, which we are having about whether it is

:33:28. > :33:30.feasible to perhaps have different settings for different ages on

:33:31. > :33:34.Facebook. That is something I'm sure they will be looking at. However, I

:33:35. > :33:39.think we do need to be ware of course all this information say

:33:40. > :33:44.veilable elsewhere on the inter-- is available elsewhere on the Internet.

:33:45. > :33:47.It is not just a Facebook issue. They do have a responsibility to

:33:48. > :33:51.young users and we need to be mindful that significant harm could

:33:52. > :33:58.come to them if they see this content. With over a billion user,

:33:59. > :34:02.Facebook could never please everyone, what is offensive? What

:34:03. > :34:07.should be allowed? Indeed how much responsibility the company has

:34:08. > :34:11.itself on what its users choose to post, these are all questions they

:34:12. > :34:17.and we are still grappling with. With us now is the cofounder of the

:34:18. > :34:23.website Lively, where you can see a very large number of videos of that

:34:24. > :34:30.kind if you wish to. Also with us is Colin Freeman the Sunday Telegraph's

:34:31. > :34:38.chief correspondent who spent five weeks being held hostage in Somalia

:34:39. > :34:43.in 2008. Are there any kinds of violence you won't allow on your

:34:44. > :34:47.site? We don't allow multiples, there is not that a lot of that type

:34:48. > :34:53.of media on the site. There are some but there are certain things we

:34:54. > :34:57.can't and can't show. Why do you allow them? It falls within a

:34:58. > :35:01.certain sense of freedom. There is always extreme with any kind of

:35:02. > :35:07.freedom. Some adults wish to see it, for whatever reason. It is also

:35:08. > :35:12.always purrant as people claim, it is a general human condition we look

:35:13. > :35:17.at the extreme, the horrific, some people choose to, if they wish to

:35:18. > :35:22.they can view them, if they don't then... What is your perspective

:35:23. > :35:26.after your experience? I luckily I didn't end up in a beheading video,

:35:27. > :35:31.the people who took me weren't that kind of people. Many people have

:35:32. > :35:37.done. Their relatives, unlike them are still alive, and the prospect of

:35:38. > :35:43.these videos being PUNTed around, you know, is not pleasant for them

:35:44. > :35:48.to say the least. I spoke to someone earlier this evening before I came

:35:49. > :35:53.on, one of whose relatives died in a video leaked on to the Internet. Say

:35:54. > :35:58.leaked but put on deliberately, he says it is horrific the idea these

:35:59. > :36:02.things are around. He has to worry about his young kids and other young

:36:03. > :36:06.relatives in his extended family finding these things on the

:36:07. > :36:10.Internet. What do you think when you hear that sort of testimony? Of

:36:11. > :36:16.course it is absolutely horrific, for any family, who could deny that,

:36:17. > :36:20.it would be ridiculous to. We see things on the news every day where

:36:21. > :36:24.people die in a less immediate and graphic manager, we are shown the

:36:25. > :36:28.planes smashing into the buildings all the time, families hurt all the

:36:29. > :36:33.time by that. You don't see beheadings on the television, it is

:36:34. > :36:38.regulated? There is a limit, death as long as it is less personal and

:36:39. > :36:42.graphic. That is understandable. I'm an advocate for responsible titling

:36:43. > :36:45.and information, trying to ensure people know what they are going to

:36:46. > :36:49.see. When it comes to when you say children viewing it and things of

:36:50. > :36:52.that nature, there needs to be some education for the parents there as

:36:53. > :37:04.well. Facebook is a medium that is in virtually every home now, isn't

:37:05. > :37:13.it. Ubiquitous as television? I don't promote graphic media on

:37:14. > :37:18.Facebook that is for such a range of people. What is your reading of the

:37:19. > :37:23.Facebook position? I would agree in a sense it is not the appropriate

:37:24. > :37:32.forum, it normalises this kind of thing, to some extent. And it says

:37:33. > :37:36.this is normal to see this kind of thing. More generally, if you have

:37:37. > :37:41.the sort of stuff out there, there is, you know, the impact that it has

:37:42. > :37:44.on someone who has lost a loved one, they are trying to make a

:37:45. > :37:49.psychological recovery from a horrific ordeal and this stuff is

:37:50. > :37:55.out there potentially reminding them all the time of what happened. You

:37:56. > :38:28.know, particular effect from -- Kat that

:38:29. > :38:34.particular effect from -- cathartic effect of seeing that happen? One of

:38:35. > :38:39.the things from the Arab springs was a video shot of a man beaten to

:38:40. > :38:45.death in custody, his face was shaped into a kind of garage GOIL

:38:46. > :38:50.death mask, his family shot the video and put it on-line. The

:38:51. > :38:55.context is everything to some exTEPT. When you are putting a --

:38:56. > :38:58.extent. When you are putting a hostage video the person who

:38:59. > :39:03.intended that video to go out is the terrorist, you are doing their

:39:04. > :39:06.bidding by deseminating it, that is what they want. It causes terror

:39:07. > :39:10.among the people who have seen it and terror amongst others. What do

:39:11. > :39:15.you make of that? The actual effect of those videos? Not that so much,

:39:16. > :39:22.the man who has been beheaded clearly has no desire to see the

:39:23. > :39:29.video posts anywhere? But the horrible irony, in no way humourous

:39:30. > :39:32.is the releasing of these videos, we only see these in truth when they

:39:33. > :39:36.are killing westerners. It was the lease of the videos and the reaction

:39:37. > :39:40.to them, which is why they stopped pretty much from that region in the

:39:41. > :39:44.world. It was totally counter-productive to them, it is

:39:45. > :39:47.not a good thing that people were beheaded, but it was a

:39:48. > :39:50.counter-productive act on their part. It worked against what they

:39:51. > :39:56.wanted to achieve. There is some truth in that but it didn't stop

:39:57. > :39:59.them happening. One or two Al-Qaeda groups may have said that didn't

:40:00. > :40:06.work, but it hasn't stopped that kind of thing going on. It is not

:40:07. > :40:10.anything like it was in 2005-2007. Now the sports news, there is a

:40:11. > :40:14.spring in the step of football fans in Afghanistan. The country has just

:40:15. > :40:20.won its first international trophy by beating India 2-0 in the South

:40:21. > :40:34.Asian Championship Cup Final. It is still ranked 139th in the world. But

:40:35. > :40:45.the final -- in the final all the country was praying for a win.

:40:46. > :40:50.Lis Ducet has been charmed by the Premier League there to join a

:40:51. > :40:54.country torn apart by war. Days like this are rare for a

:40:55. > :41:02.generation that has only known war, division and destruction.

:41:03. > :41:15.Sport is now building a new spirit. Making the people proud to be

:41:16. > :41:20.Afghans. The war hasn't gone away, and NATO helicopters land at a

:41:21. > :41:28.nearby base. But Afghan forces protect these grounds. Kabul in

:41:29. > :41:31.yellow take on the northern team in this brand new stadium. They are the

:41:32. > :41:40.best of eight clubs that cut across the ethnic lines, that still divide

:41:41. > :41:48.this society. Number four dreamed of being a footballer from the first

:41:49. > :41:53.day he set foot in Kabul's old Ghazi stadium, made infamous where the

:41:54. > :42:00.Taliban carried out harsh Islamic punishments. At home with his

:42:01. > :42:07.family, 26-year-old Mustaba remembers those years as the worst

:42:08. > :42:11.in his career. TRAN Before one match -- TRANSLATION: Before the match the

:42:12. > :42:16.Taliban brought in one person and shot him four times, another one's

:42:17. > :42:20.hands were amputated. After that no-one was interested in seeing

:42:21. > :42:25.football in the stadium. Now the nation is watching. From the

:42:26. > :42:32.President to 12-year-old Sammi, who says he wants to be a footballer

:42:33. > :42:39.just like his brother. Live coverage on TV brings football into Afghan

:42:40. > :42:44.homes, unthinkable years ago. The Premier League was even created

:42:45. > :42:52.through a reality TV show and on the popular network. In messages played

:42:53. > :42:58.at half time, footballers use their new fame to urge kids to stay off

:42:59. > :43:02.drugs, and stay in school. They are heros for a lot of Afghans around

:43:03. > :43:07.the country. If the players are going back to their villages, to the

:43:08. > :43:16.district and province, everybody knows them. They are, they can play

:43:17. > :43:22.goodwill ambassadors for a lot of issues. But at the same time they

:43:23. > :43:26.are role models for millions of kids and young Afghans.

:43:27. > :43:32.But they still have to play well and strictly by the rules. In this world

:43:33. > :43:53.misbehaviour is punished immediately. And the Kabul team gets

:43:54. > :43:56.instant justice. In a country still suffering from the chaos and

:43:57. > :44:00.injustice of war, they are celebrating a game where you play by

:44:01. > :44:06.the rules, where the referee's word is final. And they are hoping that

:44:07. > :44:13.some day fair play will define Afghanistan too. Activists like

:44:14. > :44:18.Ahmed usually spend their time worrying about human rights abuses.

:44:19. > :44:36.A day out with the boys, even brings him a bit of cheer. When he meets

:44:37. > :44:39.fellow activists at their usual hangout, football is now part of the

:44:40. > :44:44.political debate, especially the national side's recent triumph over

:44:45. > :44:49.India. Which made them regional champions. There were 11 men who

:44:50. > :44:56.TLIEL brought pride to -- who actually brought pride to 32 million

:44:57. > :45:00.people, and none were holding a gun. You are seeing a new narrative.

:45:01. > :45:03.Leaders in this election realise that. There is still some space

:45:04. > :45:09.between the dominant political actors and the new wave since 2001.

:45:10. > :45:12.Now that is going to play out in the elections remains to be seen, the

:45:13. > :45:17.hope that we are striving towards is to get them to play at least by some

:45:18. > :45:20.rules. Is sport so powerful that it could change a much harder

:45:21. > :45:29.potentially violent political culture? If we play together, if we

:45:30. > :45:32.have a common goal and if we don't think about it as a short-term

:45:33. > :45:36.benefit and think about the bigger vision and goal, we can repeat the

:45:37. > :45:42.success we had in sport on the political field as well. In sport

:45:43. > :45:49.there is only one winner. The Kabul team triumphs, 3-1 in extra time.

:45:50. > :45:54.For Mushtaba there is another victory. TRANSLATION: My happiness

:45:55. > :45:59.has doubled, I have always dreamed of being the best player, we won the

:46:00. > :46:05.game and I'm the Man of the Match. Well done! And that's how it feels

:46:06. > :46:09.when you are a winner in Afghanistan, it is great day for the

:46:10. > :46:12.Kabul team, but just look how the crowds have been acting today. This

:46:13. > :46:22.is game where it is win-win for a country which has had all too little

:46:23. > :46:27.of this kind of celebration. A feel-good moment is precious,

:46:28. > :46:31.changing decades of violent division much harder. But this rare presence

:46:32. > :46:39.of hope creates a powerful sense of what could be possible.

:46:40. > :46:43.That's it, you may perhaps have noticed that it was the final of the

:46:44. > :46:47.Great British Bake Off earlier tonight, so below stairs in her

:46:48. > :46:52.Glasgow Stately Home Kirsty is making a very easy orange and lemon

:46:53. > :46:58.cake from a recipe invented by someone else, she's giving it her

:46:59. > :47:02.own twist with the help of nutmeg and almonds and other things she has

:47:03. > :47:07.found in the butler's pantry, including a bottle of wine. We have

:47:08. > :47:27.tweeted the recipe. Welcome to the Newsnight morning and lemon cake. It

:47:28. > :47:35.is an incredibly simple recipe. I'm going to put the zest of a lime in.

:47:36. > :47:53.I feel Mary Berry is at my shoulder! Plenty of greated nutmeg. There is

:47:54. > :48:03.the cake. That goes into a medium oven for an hour. That is ready.

:48:04. > :48:11.Let's see if it is ready. I think it is. Paul Hollywood eat your heart

:48:12. > :48:26.out! Good evening, Wednesday is set to

:48:27. > :48:28.get off to a