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:02:13. > :02:16.Somewhere in Lambeth in south London, the details of what

:02:17. > :02:20.detectives are calling an extraordinary case are slowly

:02:21. > :02:25.starting to emerge. The specific remain vague, police say details are

:02:26. > :02:29.being held back for operational reasons. What we do know is a couple

:02:30. > :02:33.both in their late 60s were arrested at that house in south London

:02:34. > :02:37.accused of keeping three women in a state of domestic slavery for

:02:38. > :02:42.decades. The victims, now in a safe place are said to be traumatised.

:02:43. > :02:47.The police are working out exactly what happened but say it is likely

:02:48. > :02:51.to be a long drawn out process. At a press conference at Scotland Yard

:02:52. > :02:54.the detective in charge of the case said the women all had controlled

:02:55. > :02:59.lives and spent most of it indoors, but did have some limited freedom.

:03:00. > :03:07.We have established that all three women were held in this situation

:03:08. > :03:12.for at least 30 years. They did have some controlled freedom. The Human

:03:13. > :03:21.Trafficking Unit of the Metropolitan Police deals with many cases of

:03:22. > :03:24.servitude and forced Labour. We have dealt with cases where someone has

:03:25. > :03:28.been held for ten years but never this long before. It was a number of

:03:29. > :03:32.documentaries like this one on forced marriages that appeared to

:03:33. > :03:37.trigger this news. One of the women in the house called the Freedom

:03:38. > :03:41.Charity after seeing it. Police found her location and all three

:03:42. > :03:48.women escaped. It has now emerged that a 69-year-old Malaysian woman,

:03:49. > :03:51.a 57-year-old Irish woman and 30-year-old British woman were

:03:52. > :03:54.rescued from the house a month ago. The 30-year-old has spent her whole

:03:55. > :03:59.life in captivity. Officers are trying to establish whether she was

:04:00. > :04:03.born in the house. All three women were highly traumatised and taken to

:04:04. > :04:09.place of safety where they remain. They are in the care of a charity

:04:10. > :04:14.who deal with people who are deeply traumatised. These are deeply

:04:15. > :04:18.traumatised people and it is essential that we work sensitively

:04:19. > :04:21.to establish the facts in this case. Detectives say although they are

:04:22. > :04:27.aware of cases of people being held for up to ten years, they have never

:04:28. > :04:30.seen a case quite like this before. The Metropolitan Police's Human

:04:31. > :04:35.Trafficking Units receives reports of about 250 offences each year.

:04:36. > :04:40.People working on the ground say the figure is rarely reported and the

:04:41. > :04:47.real figure could be much higher. The Global Slavery Index estimated

:04:48. > :04:54.between 4,200-4,600 slaves in the UK. Detectives at the National Crime

:04:55. > :04:57.Agency think they encountered 2,225 potential victims of human traffics

:04:58. > :05:04.in the UK. Exploitation for sex and work were most common amongst

:05:05. > :05:09.traffiked People. Sex and petty crime for children. Campaigners say

:05:10. > :05:12.human trafficking as a whole has been overlooked for too long in the

:05:13. > :05:17.UK. The Government now plans to introduce a modern slavery bill next

:05:18. > :05:20.year to tighten up the law. I can't go into details because I don't know

:05:21. > :05:24.them, I can give you some clues, first of all I think slavery will be

:05:25. > :05:29.made an offence with life imprisonment. Two is we are going to

:05:30. > :05:32.have a commissioner, like an ombudsman who will be charged

:05:33. > :05:35.directly to the Prime Minister and the Home Secretary to find out

:05:36. > :05:38.what's wrong in this country and make a report every year to

:05:39. > :05:43.parliament identifying what can be done to improve it. As far as I'm

:05:44. > :05:48.concerned one of the most important things is going to be chasing

:05:49. > :05:53.traffickers. Only 11 convictions for trafficking last year. 11, in this

:05:54. > :06:00.country. OK there were other prosecutions but only specifically

:06:01. > :06:05.for trafficking. The movement to abolish the slave trade in the 18th

:06:06. > :06:09.century started here at this church in Lambeth. That was more than two

:06:10. > :06:12.centuries ago, and feels like ancient history. Campaigners say

:06:13. > :06:19.today's news is a shocking reminder that it isn't. We have the founder

:06:20. > :06:25.of the Freedom Charity, which was first contacted by one of the women,

:06:26. > :06:32.and helped negotiate their release. Frank Field is the chair of the

:06:33. > :06:35.modern slavery review. Tell us how the women are? They are very

:06:36. > :06:39.distressed about what's happened to them. But they are making steady

:06:40. > :06:44.progress and I have spent a great deal of time with them now and I

:06:45. > :06:48.think you know they are making as much progress as we can expect them

:06:49. > :06:54.to. It has been very, very difficult for them. One of the women managed

:06:55. > :06:57.to leave a message on your charity's 24-hour helpline? They spoke to one

:06:58. > :07:00.of our professionals at the other end of the phone who realised the

:07:01. > :07:03.seriousness of the call and immediately we started very

:07:04. > :07:06.sensitive negotiations with the ladies about how we would manage to

:07:07. > :07:10.get them out and manage their escape. What did she say in that

:07:11. > :07:15.first call? The first call was actually saying that she had been

:07:16. > :07:19.held against her will, and said it could, over 30 years she had been

:07:20. > :07:23.held, and then it was a drip by drip kind of process of her revealing

:07:24. > :07:26.information, and she just had one point of contact within the charity.

:07:27. > :07:30.And it was pre-aranged when she would call and how it was done. It

:07:31. > :07:34.was done very sensitively, I'm really fraud of Freedom Charity for

:07:35. > :07:38.the work they have done over this. The woman was able to use a mobile

:07:39. > :07:43.phone or landline? She was able to use a phone but in a secret way. The

:07:44. > :07:46.people in the house didn't know she had that phone. You made

:07:47. > :07:51.arrangements to contact them when the owners of the house were out? It

:07:52. > :07:54.was done in a way so nobody would know they were on the phone. That

:07:55. > :07:59.had to be done in that way, it was very secretive to ensure they

:08:00. > :08:03.weren't putting any further danger on themselves at all. How alongside

:08:04. > :08:06.the police did you help these women escape? Basically it was a process

:08:07. > :08:12.of just over a week where there were lots of phone calls and they gained

:08:13. > :08:15.the trust of the charity and by doing that they felt confident

:08:16. > :08:18.enough to reveal enough information, and at this point we have contacted

:08:19. > :08:22.the police they have got involved as well. They were on stand by, it was

:08:23. > :08:27.a textbook rescue, they managed to walk out of the house. When the

:08:28. > :08:31.owners were not there, clearly. When nobody was around they managed to

:08:32. > :08:34.leave. You and the police were waiting for them? Yes, and we

:08:35. > :08:36.managed to get them to place of safety where they are safe and

:08:37. > :08:39.secure and they are getting everything they need right now. The

:08:40. > :08:43.long-term worry is how this obviously has affected them and what

:08:44. > :08:47.their futures will hold. They walked out with nothing? They have nothing

:08:48. > :08:50.now and as a charity we are trying to support them the best we can.

:08:51. > :08:58.What was that like when you first met them? It is incredibly humbling,

:08:59. > :09:04.they threw their arms around me and thanked me for the work we have

:09:05. > :09:07.done, and they met the person doing the initial negotiations with them.

:09:08. > :09:11.It was a very, very emotional time. When we got the message that they

:09:12. > :09:17.were outside the front door, the whole call centre erupted in cheers

:09:18. > :09:20.and there were tears and everyone was incredibly emotional to know

:09:21. > :09:24.that we had helped to rescue three ladies that had been held in such

:09:25. > :09:28.horrific conditions. Can you tell us about those conditions, what had

:09:29. > :09:32.they said been happening? They were held against their L the other

:09:33. > :09:38.details, because obviously it is -- their will, the other details

:09:39. > :09:41.obviously pending the trial, we have to be careful. In London you

:09:42. > :09:45.wouldn't expect this to be going on, but it does happen. Let me bring you

:09:46. > :09:48.in on that point, do you think this is part of the problem, we don't

:09:49. > :09:53.really understand what slavery is in this country? No, we were talking

:09:54. > :09:58.earlier about 200 years ago most people thought it was acceptable and

:09:59. > :10:02.slaves were in shackles. And the great campaign was to change public

:10:03. > :10:07.opinion that it wasn't acceptable. Now, apart from those who deal in

:10:08. > :10:11.this evil trade the rest of the country I would think would be

:10:12. > :10:16.appalled by thek cyst tense of this. What do you understand domestic

:10:17. > :10:22.slavery to mean? It is not just domestic slavery, there will be

:10:23. > :10:27.slavery in the sex trade, in labouring, in crime, in fraud and so

:10:28. > :10:32.on, which is highly organised, let's hope this is not actually part of

:10:33. > :10:37.one of those organised crime rings. Do you think this case emphasises

:10:38. > :10:44.the need for further legislation? I think when you had a clip earlier on

:10:45. > :10:49.from the police, they have made other statements saying what they

:10:50. > :10:54.are looking for in the Bill so it will be used better, without the

:10:55. > :10:56.uncertainties that there is at the moment. There is that angle but

:10:57. > :11:03.there is another important angle. Although it was 30 years in

:11:04. > :11:10.imprisonment this occurred in London. Where we have a dedicated

:11:11. > :11:14.group of policemen who are to fight and counter modern day slavery. They

:11:15. > :11:19.have spent quite a bit of time trying to build up contact and trust

:11:20. > :11:24.amongst non-Government organisations. Like the Freedom

:11:25. > :11:27.Charity which has been crucial. Now in other parts of the country there

:11:28. > :11:31.is not that trust. So there is both the importance of changing the law

:11:32. > :11:35.to make it more friendly to prosecution, and more friendly to

:11:36. > :11:39.the victims of slavery, but there is also the job of how do we change

:11:40. > :11:48.attitudes and policy that follows from that. One of the women who you

:11:49. > :11:54.helped rescue is 30. Was she born in that house? She spent all her life

:11:55. > :11:58.in captivity, basically. She was born there? We can't say if she was

:11:59. > :12:01.born there. But she has spent her whole life there and known nothing

:12:02. > :12:05.different. This is the first time she has had the freedom of movement

:12:06. > :12:09.in being able to use a phone and experience some basic things in life

:12:10. > :12:14.that all of us take for granted. Thank you both, sorry you wanted to

:12:15. > :12:18.say something, quick final point? Key point is that we began our

:12:19. > :12:23.evidence session its with victims of slavery and we will end with victims

:12:24. > :12:27.of slavery, already they have made this very powerful case to have a

:12:28. > :12:32.commission whose job is to raise public awareness. Of course there is

:12:33. > :12:35.a need to change the law and change how policy operates, but there is

:12:36. > :12:42.also a need for us to be more aware that amongst us, maybe not far from

:12:43. > :12:47.us are people held in slavery. Thank you. Still to come, eventually.

:12:48. > :12:52.Sometimes I press the button and I can see the lift coming but it goes

:12:53. > :12:55.right past me, why does the lift hate me. It knows other people have

:12:56. > :13:02.been waiting longer than you, what it is trying to do is minimise the

:13:03. > :13:07.waiting for everyone. The Government promised that privatising parts of

:13:08. > :13:10.the Probation Service would mean savings for tax-payers and new

:13:11. > :13:14.innovative ways of managing offenders in the community, while at

:13:15. > :13:21.the same time he pro-tectiing the public. A us -- pro-tectiing the --

:13:22. > :13:24.protecting the public. After a Newsnight investigation we have

:13:25. > :13:30.found that it is fraught with problems. Last year Serco won a ?35

:13:31. > :13:33.million project in London to manage criminals doing community service or

:13:34. > :13:45.payback. As we report, it is now seeming that the company can't

:13:46. > :13:50.always open. It is a difficult balancing act, helping offenders

:13:51. > :13:53.reintegrate while keeping the public safe. It is the role of the

:13:54. > :13:57.Probation Service to maintain that balance. But controversial plans to

:13:58. > :14:03.privatise parts of the service in England and Wales will threaten

:14:04. > :14:07.that, say critics. The first major area of probation work to be handed

:14:08. > :14:12.to the private sector has been in London, where we have discovered

:14:13. > :14:16.serious failings. In October last year Serco took over the programme

:14:17. > :14:25.for running community service across London in partnership with the

:14:26. > :14:28.London Probation Trust. We spoke to people inside Serco and the Trust

:14:29. > :14:32.and we have seen documentary evidence that raises concerns for

:14:33. > :14:36.the safety of the public, the welfare of offenders and the

:14:37. > :14:40.delivery of justice. The ?35 million contract Serco won means they now

:14:41. > :14:45.have responsibility for community service projects on the ground. The

:14:46. > :14:48.Probation Trust, which also tendered for the contract, still has

:14:49. > :14:52.responsibility for offenders, assessing risk, monitoring progress

:14:53. > :14:57.and imposing sanctions if offenders fail to comply with their sentence.

:14:58. > :15:01.The day-to-day supervision of offenders rests with Serco, it is

:15:02. > :15:05.this breaking up of the service that is causing concern. The Government

:15:06. > :15:10.ran a competition for community payback in London. It admitted bids

:15:11. > :15:14.from various organisations and ultimately Serco won with a

:15:15. > :15:18.sub-contract with London Probation Trust, the main problem is it was

:15:19. > :15:22.price competitive. Whoever bid and whatever the quality of the bids the

:15:23. > :15:26.cheapest would always win. Serco and London Probation came in the

:15:27. > :15:38.cheapest and now the cracks are starting to show. Newsnight has seen

:15:39. > :15:42.a series of e-mails from the London Probation Trust's issue log,

:15:43. > :15:47.offenders turning up to projects to find no superviser. Difficulty

:15:48. > :15:53.getting through to Serco's control centre and attendance records wrong

:15:54. > :15:59.and incomplete. Whistleblowers at Serco and the London Probation Trust

:16:00. > :16:05.blame 40% staff cuts for pressures on the service. In our opinion there

:16:06. > :16:10.are not enough projects or staff, the projects are oversubscribed and

:16:11. > :16:13.anything oversubscribed causes problems. This was the Government's

:16:14. > :16:17.blueprint for the future running of the Probation Service. They say the

:16:18. > :16:21.way community service was run before Serco took over, didn't always

:16:22. > :16:25.command public confidence. I will pay for success, I'm happy the

:16:26. > :16:28.organisations working with me do well financially, but only if they

:16:29. > :16:33.deliver results. The importance of keeping accurate records of

:16:34. > :16:39.attendance is crucial to the smooth running of the Probation Service, if

:16:40. > :16:43.an offender doesn't comply or fails in their community service officer,

:16:44. > :16:48.the probation officer only as a short window to get them before a

:16:49. > :16:53.judge. Without those documents the Probation Service can't help the

:16:54. > :16:58.court enforce justice. In August the database where offender records were

:16:59. > :17:01.stored and updated switched to a national database, during the

:17:02. > :17:06.changeover records couldn't be updated for a week. Instead paper

:17:07. > :17:10.records were kept, creating a backlog. We understand Serco

:17:11. > :17:16.promised to have this dealt with by the end of August. It wasn't. There

:17:17. > :17:21.was a backlog prior to that any way, obviously it did get worse, we did

:17:22. > :17:24.have a week with no computer system, we in probation have been expected

:17:25. > :17:30.to catch up with the missed work in that week. Serco just do not have

:17:31. > :17:36.the staff to do it. We have received documents showing that between the

:17:37. > :17:41.1st September and the 6th October, 1,362 records were not updated by

:17:42. > :17:45.Serco. The Ministry of Justice estimate that is there are around

:17:46. > :17:50.960 people starting community payback each month. It is not a drop

:17:51. > :17:54.in the ocean. There was a change in IT systems and because of the bid

:17:55. > :17:57.they put into the Ministry of Justice was so lean it doesn't

:17:58. > :18:01.provide for any contingencies at all. If there is a change of IT or

:18:02. > :18:07.you need extra resources they couldn't cope with it. This internal

:18:08. > :18:12.e-mail shows that Serco were so overwhelmed with the backlog of

:18:13. > :18:18.records, they asked London probation staff to assist with overtime. 362

:18:19. > :18:22.records were still out of date in October. It is difficult for

:18:23. > :18:26.probation officers to sanction offenders through called breach

:18:27. > :18:29.proceedings. With the breaches if people fail to offend they get two

:18:30. > :18:33.chances, the first time they get a warning letter, the second time they

:18:34. > :18:37.get a breach letter. We have to get that into court, into the

:18:38. > :18:41.prosecutors within eight days. That's the target. We're not getting

:18:42. > :18:45.the information on a lot of cases until possibly four, five days after

:18:46. > :18:48.they have missed. There are a lot of cases where there is no point even

:18:49. > :18:55.sending them back to court, because it is not going to go through the

:18:56. > :18:59.court procedures. This document shows since Serco took over the

:19:00. > :19:02.contract, there have been consistent complaints of inaccurate and late

:19:03. > :19:07.reporting, peaking in October this year. We have seen evidence showing

:19:08. > :19:14.that right up until last week information collected by Serco used

:19:15. > :19:18.to pend offenders back to court was incorrect. In a small number of

:19:19. > :19:21.cases we are aware of, offenders have been sent back to court or

:19:22. > :19:25.failing to do community service, only for it to be withdrawn or

:19:26. > :19:29.thrown out of court, because the information was wrong. We're finding

:19:30. > :19:33.it increasingly hard to enforce justice in these cases, because the

:19:34. > :19:37.quality of the evidence often isn't there. We have to be sure that if

:19:38. > :19:42.we're taking breach action against an offender that we have a robust

:19:43. > :19:45.case. We are relying on Serco instead of our own information, that

:19:46. > :19:51.information is often incomplete or late or of dubious quality. What's

:19:52. > :19:55.more we have seen e-mails suggesting that prisoners on curfew who have

:19:56. > :19:59.been electronically tagged may not have been monitored properly in one

:20:00. > :20:02.borough of London, raising questions as to whether probation officers

:20:03. > :20:06.knew where offenders had been. This is not part of the community service

:20:07. > :20:12.contract, but the e-mail suggests that Serco had been sending

:20:13. > :20:17.incidents of curfew breaches to the wrong mailbox at the probation trust

:20:18. > :20:21.from September to October. The Ministry of Justice say they are

:20:22. > :20:26.investigating. When Serco was awarded the contract last year, the

:20:27. > :20:30.Chief Inspector of probation said it would be regrettable if work done

:20:31. > :20:33.with offenders became fragments with more providers being involved. She

:20:34. > :20:38.warrant it could increase the potential for communication

:20:39. > :20:44.problems. The The one we are looking at is information accuracy and

:20:45. > :20:49.timeliness... We took our evidence to a former Chief Inspector of

:20:50. > :20:54.probation. What I have seen in your evidence is a pattern of inaccuracy,

:20:55. > :20:58.it is difficult to judge as to whether these are isolated cases or

:20:59. > :21:01.whether they are getting better or worse, but you have shown me

:21:02. > :21:07.sufficient material that it calls in, it raises serious questions. In

:21:08. > :21:11.my judgment there is a sufficient quantity of evidence here for

:21:12. > :21:20.someone to be taking a very close look at it. The evidence we

:21:21. > :21:25.discovered shows a private company has struggled to keep on top key

:21:26. > :21:28.information, and they haven't been monitoring some offenders properly.

:21:29. > :21:32.Those in the service say the breaking up of the community payback

:21:33. > :21:35.scheme in London has had real consequences for the delivery of

:21:36. > :21:38.justice. It comes as questions are already being asked about the

:21:39. > :21:41.Government's wider plans for the privatisation of the Probation

:21:42. > :23:07.Service. We contacted Serco they gave us this

:23:08. > :23:12.What are the implications for the Government's plans to hand control

:23:13. > :23:16.of Probation Services to more private firms and charters across

:23:17. > :23:21.the country. Joining me Sue Hall chair of the Probation Chiefs

:23:22. > :23:26.Association, and Max Chambers from the Policy Exchange think-tank. Sue

:23:27. > :23:35.do you think there is a problem? Clearly the Allegations we have

:23:36. > :23:39.heard are serious. It could be teething problems then? We are

:23:40. > :23:46.talking about a contract 15 months in and inherited from London

:23:47. > :23:50.probation trust as a going concern. Community payback in London is one

:23:51. > :23:55.of 35 community payback schemes and the Government's plans will see next

:23:56. > :23:59.year, not just 34 other community payback schemes, put out to

:24:00. > :24:04.competition, but actually a much wider array of work with offenders,

:24:05. > :24:09.probably about 70% of the case load that probation currently manages. To

:24:10. > :24:13.move into that order of competition on the basis of very little

:24:14. > :24:18.experience, very little evidence of the private sector being able to

:24:19. > :24:24.manage probation work, competently, in the community, feels rash. Do you

:24:25. > :24:28.think there is a problem? I'm not quite sure having just seen the

:24:29. > :24:32.video how much that shows us about the wider implications. It doesn't

:24:33. > :24:38.look like public safety was put at risk at all in the video. And what

:24:39. > :24:42.we can be sure of as far as I'm aware, London Probation Trust and

:24:43. > :24:47.the Ministry of Justice are pretty happy with the contract being run.

:24:48. > :24:51.If supervision is deteriorating of the offenders doing the community

:24:52. > :24:55.payback, potentially those offenders could be reoffending but no-one

:24:56. > :25:00.would know? I think people would know, I mean reoffending rates are

:25:01. > :25:06.published and are very transparent, published by the Ministry of

:25:07. > :25:11.Justice. But the superviser, circumstance co-won't know -- Serco

:25:12. > :25:14.wouldn't know? I don't think there is evidence of supervision

:25:15. > :25:17.deteriorating and Serco as far as I'm aware are meeting and exceeding

:25:18. > :25:21.their performance targets. I think it is difficult to draw wider

:25:22. > :25:25.implications about whether the Government's reform, about reducing

:25:26. > :25:30.reoffending not just about community payback, it is hard to draw those

:25:31. > :25:34.links on the basis of an investigation that was

:25:35. > :25:37.whistleblowers rather than the people managing the service. The

:25:38. > :25:42.head of the London Probation Trust hasn't given you an interview, I'm

:25:43. > :25:47.not sure if she's happy with the service. My understanding is MOJ and

:25:48. > :25:53.the London Probation Service are happy with the contract as it is

:25:54. > :25:59.run. It is with an efficiency of 37% as well as maintaining a good

:26:00. > :26:03.standard of service. If we talk about reducing reoffending, case

:26:04. > :26:07.loads supervised by the Probation Service at the moment have a good

:26:08. > :26:11.track record of reducing reoffending. We have seen rates come

:26:12. > :26:14.down over the last ten years. The rational of privatising the

:26:15. > :26:18.Probation Service isn't because probation is a failing service.

:26:19. > :26:22.There is a group of offenders within the system, the short-term prisoners

:26:23. > :26:27.that currently are not supervised. It seems that the Government has

:26:28. > :26:30.made the leap from need to go provide services from that Europe to

:26:31. > :26:37.dismantling the Probation Service in order to provide the funding to do

:26:38. > :26:44.so. That's a really huge leap, it is like bedding the farm on the throw

:26:45. > :26:48.of a dice, that by doing this massive outsourcing you will provide

:26:49. > :26:51.better result I don't think there is the evidence around it at the

:26:52. > :26:55.moment, to give us confidence that will be so. In terms of the evidence

:26:56. > :26:58.we have got two schemes that are running are payments by results

:26:59. > :27:02.schemes. The Government is setting a clear objective and saying if you

:27:03. > :27:06.cut reoffending we will pay you in full. If you don't we won't. That is

:27:07. > :27:10.the incentive that Policy Exchange and the Government have been talking

:27:11. > :27:18.about. One of those schemes in pet borrow, the reoffending results of

:27:19. > :27:21.the cohort are 50 lower than the national -- 50% lower than the

:27:22. > :27:26.national average. In Peterborough there is 15 months yet to run of

:27:27. > :27:31.that, very, very early results on a very small sample. Can I put the

:27:32. > :27:37.point that the NAPA representative made in the film, it is increasingly

:27:38. > :27:42.hard enforce justice. Do you accept that? I don't accept that, I don't

:27:43. > :27:47.think we saw from the IT issues that all probation trusts were having

:27:48. > :27:50.that there is necessarily an issue around enforcing justice that is

:27:51. > :27:55.exclusive to the private sector. I don't think that the investigation

:27:56. > :28:00.proved that at all. What we're talking about is not just the

:28:01. > :28:03.running of community payback but the running of probation supervision in

:28:04. > :28:07.the round. What the Government is saying that the Probation Service

:28:08. > :28:11.has not performed well enough in terms of producing reoffending. The

:28:12. > :28:15.Government isn't saying that? The Government has said that. The

:28:16. > :28:19.Government is saying that reoffending rates in relation to

:28:20. > :28:26.under 12-month prisoners are too high, whom the Probation Service

:28:27. > :28:32.doesn't supervise. They are suggest issing you do it in a different way,

:28:33. > :28:36.and this contract costs tax-payers' ?25 million. If you were to

:28:37. > :28:40.extrapolate from the costs of the London pay grabbing contract to how

:28:41. > :28:44.much you would say down the country you would be Shahhedly mistaken.

:28:45. > :28:47.There is -- you would be sadly mistaken. You couldn't make those

:28:48. > :28:51.levels of savings across the country. Plans for privatisation

:28:52. > :28:57.which are ill thought through, are being driven into quickly, that puts

:28:58. > :29:09.the public at risk. If you have 70% of the case load and talking 190

:29:10. > :29:13.,000, supervised by the private sector, models untried and tested

:29:14. > :29:20.where there are even teething problems will put the public at

:29:21. > :29:28.risk. I think the reforms are not being of A rushed way. There are

:29:29. > :29:32.thousands of offenders not getting correct supervision and people

:29:33. > :29:36.reoffending, we need reforms and we hope the Government will see them

:29:37. > :29:39.through. P tonight the Ministry of Justice released a statement, public

:29:40. > :29:45.safety has not been compromised in the delivery of this contract which

:29:46. > :29:50.has provided one million hours of offender labour for London. Serco's

:29:51. > :29:55.performance is improving month on month, they are meeting key targets

:29:56. > :30:00.and outperforming the national average. 80% of offenders are now

:30:01. > :30:08.successfully completing payback, # % above national average. All

:30:09. > :30:13.offenders are deeply assessed. July figures show 90% of breach cases

:30:14. > :30:18.were followed through by enforcement action by Serco. They are offering

:30:19. > :30:23.enough placements to meet court demands in London. With innovative

:30:24. > :30:27.ways of working there were some bedding issues at the initial stage

:30:28. > :30:32.we are satisfied these have been resolved. We have asked the

:30:33. > :30:35.probation trust to inform us where they have not received correct

:30:36. > :30:40.paperwork that may have brought breached action. We will follow that

:30:41. > :30:44.up with Serbing KOECHLT The Ministry of Justice holds contracts with

:30:45. > :31:00.Serco and G 4. S and their investigation is on going.

:31:01. > :31:05.How good a footballer was buy Lione Messi, top flight clubs are vying to

:31:06. > :31:09.sign up an eight-year-old from Argentina, he has been watched on

:31:10. > :31:13.social media from around the world. How can the sporting skills shown by

:31:14. > :31:20.a primary school child be any measure of what sort of a footballer

:31:21. > :31:32.he will be like as an adult. We have more. This is Claudio Nachafiel,

:31:33. > :31:40.from Argentina and eight years old. Top clubs around the world are

:31:41. > :31:46.fighting to sign him. And who can blame them. Prodigies have

:31:47. > :31:51.mesmerised the world for centuries. The idea of young children zapped

:31:52. > :31:57.with genius from birth. These kids from the Westway Sports Club in

:31:58. > :32:05.London are hoping to be the next big thing in football. Does preordained

:32:06. > :32:12.genius exist and why do so many called prodigies burn out. Ed Smith

:32:13. > :32:16.is a former England international cricketer. Expectation works against

:32:17. > :32:22.the enjoyment in sport, which is enjoyment and joy. Kids who mature

:32:23. > :32:26.too early in expressing their talent don't develop the psychological

:32:27. > :32:30.robustness to enable them to actually have that great career,

:32:31. > :32:35.that perhaps they seemed predestined for. That is why there is evidence,

:32:36. > :32:40.I think, that the late run can you preferable. In my own cricket career

:32:41. > :32:44.I saw lots of people earmarked for greatness, get gradually overtaken

:32:45. > :32:52.by people who were mentally better equipped for life at the top. These

:32:53. > :32:57.kids are aiming high and the coaches are hoping to produce the next

:32:58. > :33:04.sensation. Boys don't worry, heads up, come on. Of course some

:33:05. > :33:13.supertalents like Lionel Messi, signed by Barcelona at 13, and Tiger

:33:14. > :33:16.Woods, were standing out early. Others like Gary Neville flourished

:33:17. > :33:24.rather later. Development seems to have a range of different at that

:33:25. > :33:32.ject trees. Kevin Pietersen who plays his whatever number game, at

:33:33. > :33:35.13 he was an offspinner Number Ten who was struggling to get into a

:33:36. > :33:38.side in South Africa. There was nothing in his childhood that

:33:39. > :33:43.suggested he was going to become one of the great batsmen of the modern

:33:44. > :33:47.era. But it was his ability to make up his own mind and his ability to

:33:48. > :33:51.be self-taught and not to have a track record of people having

:33:52. > :33:56.tinkered with him too much, that enabled him, when he did, if you

:33:57. > :34:00.like, get seized by ambition, to actually be in an optimal position

:34:01. > :34:04.to make the most of it. Scouting operations have become increasingly

:34:05. > :34:09.sophisticated. Premier League clubs are scrutinising players, deploying

:34:10. > :34:13.data analysis and psychometrics on children as young as ten. The

:34:14. > :34:21.pressure is ratcheting up, on players and parents. You can have a

:34:22. > :34:25.10, 11, 12-year-old child who suddenly has up to that period had

:34:26. > :34:32.their parents to guide them. All of a sudden you have agents involved.

:34:33. > :34:37.You have got coach, you have got nutritionists and ologyists or

:34:38. > :34:43.whatever, they all have an interest in that child. It changes the whole

:34:44. > :34:51.dynamic. It goes from being something that is fun and enjoyable

:34:52. > :34:55.and something to kind of do with your friends to being a full-time

:34:56. > :35:00.profession. The temptation, all too often is to push too hard. But the

:35:01. > :35:04.danger is if the young footballer or violinist is practising not for its

:35:05. > :35:08.own sake but to please a parent or coach, they are far more likely to

:35:09. > :35:12.burn out. The key in psychological terms is for the young performer,

:35:13. > :35:20.the aspiring champion to care about what they are doing from the inside.

:35:21. > :35:24.Even more the super talented excellence is a long journey.

:35:25. > :35:31.Resilience is probably more important than early promise. But if

:35:32. > :35:40.prodigies retain their joy and with a bit of God fortune, anything is

:35:41. > :35:47.possible. David Cameron showed how much he cared about the environment

:35:48. > :35:53.in 2006 by cavorting with huskies. The Hundred reports that David

:35:54. > :36:00.Cameron has told aides to "get rid of the green crap", is this the sign

:36:01. > :36:05.of David Cameron the moderniser or the right-wing populisim. We have

:36:06. > :36:10.our guests with us to discuss this. What did Mr Cameron mean? That he's

:36:11. > :36:15.realising that the priorities he outlined back in 2006 aren't really

:36:16. > :36:19.relevant now and the green stuff has become a lot more expensive and

:36:20. > :36:24.causing real pain in people's household budgets. His aim as Prime

:36:25. > :36:27.Minister is to get cheap not green energy. He has made this choice. Are

:36:28. > :36:32.you worried about the shift? It doesn't sound to me like the sorts

:36:33. > :36:38.of worse that David Cameron uses, it sound much more like Linton Crosby.

:36:39. > :36:42.You have to remember that there is nothing unconservative about

:36:43. > :36:46.spending a small sum of money and helping the oldest and poorest to

:36:47. > :36:50.insulate their homes. It is Conservative to support injuries

:36:51. > :36:58.thriving throughout the recession, and now beg bigger than the car and

:36:59. > :37:03.telecoms industries combined. Anti-green is antigrowth. In an age

:37:04. > :37:08.where politicians are not trusted, it would be mad for one so known for

:37:09. > :37:13.green policies to do a bolt. David Cameron is not very coherent? It is

:37:14. > :37:17.when the facts change. You change your mind. The energy debate has

:37:18. > :37:22.transformed since he got on the husky dogs a while ago. American is

:37:23. > :37:26.cutting down its carbon by going for fracking, we should do that here.

:37:27. > :37:30.Has it transformed because of what Ed Miliband said about freezing

:37:31. > :37:35.energy prices? He was able to call out David Cameron and his energy

:37:36. > :37:40.policies for jacking up bills. That is completely unacceptable, of

:37:41. > :37:44.course Ed Miliband's bill but David Cameron is realising he has been

:37:45. > :37:49.mugged by reality. The experience of Government has led him to revise

:37:50. > :37:53.what was plan for getting elected, didn't quite work. In office he's

:37:54. > :37:58.pivoting back, it is not so much moving to the right but to the

:37:59. > :38:02.people. thepeople. 'S pragmatist? No, what you are seeing is he has

:38:03. > :38:06.come under a lot of pressure from UKIP and certain sections of his own

:38:07. > :38:10.party. There has been a reductive tendency within Government, which is

:38:11. > :38:16.to go for the old fashioned policies that failed in the past under Hague

:38:17. > :38:21.and Michael Howard, which is a narrow and fearful agenda which is

:38:22. > :38:27.alienating young people and female voters, it isn't recruiting ethnic

:38:28. > :38:31.minorities. If he's dropping the "green crap" won't that chime to

:38:32. > :38:35.voters rather than undermining them?. It is undermining growth, why

:38:36. > :38:39.would you do that because it makes no sense whatsoever. People are

:38:40. > :38:42.worried about bills at the end of the month. One of the failures they

:38:43. > :38:46.have is to tackle the big corporates. We have a problem with

:38:47. > :38:51.capitalism in this country, not because there is too much, but there

:38:52. > :38:54.is too little. We have crony capitalism able to get away with too

:38:55. > :38:58.much. It is failure of regulation and complete myth to think that

:38:59. > :39:02.these ideas are saying to concern energy which are very, very

:39:03. > :39:09.conservative are the problem. That is the myth. Green policies have run

:39:10. > :39:14.Germany into the found, it wasn't the same as we thought it was, we

:39:15. > :39:24.does what any politician would do, chining his mind and quick. Is it a

:39:25. > :39:29.vote winner? It is, he is giving help to those who need it most. The

:39:30. > :39:34.polls show where they are at the moment isn't working. The polls show

:39:35. > :39:41.if you reduce a lot of things like this and you appeal to the moderate

:39:42. > :39:45.basis little it is over. The Conservative Party are challenged

:39:46. > :39:48.because they are not winning over the younger voters because the brand

:39:49. > :39:52.is so damaged. We weren't transformed in the election and

:39:53. > :39:59.still not now. Theseth will do more damage to the Conservatives. The

:40:00. > :40:03.Queen visited the shard in London today. We can assume she look a lift

:40:04. > :40:10.to the top and probably didn't have to wait for it. Nor did she have to

:40:11. > :40:14.wait for the lift when she visited BBC New Broadcasting House, and just

:40:15. > :40:18.as well, staff have been grumbling about waiting times for the lifts

:40:19. > :40:22.here since we move in. How many minutes do we average waiting for

:40:23. > :40:27.lifts. We have been hanging around in one or two lift lobbies for a few

:40:28. > :40:40.hours of his life, he won't be getting back. This report contains

:40:41. > :40:44.some strobing. The world is increasingly an urban place, more

:40:45. > :40:49.than half our planet's citizens live in cities. These cities are engines

:40:50. > :40:55.of innovation and economic activity, they can be good for the planet too.

:40:56. > :40:59.Because densely-packed cities thrive on bus, trains and subway systems

:41:00. > :41:04.rather than cars. But all of this would be impossible without one of

:41:05. > :41:11.the most underrated inventions of the past two centuries. It is the

:41:12. > :41:14.lift, and if you will forgive a little self-obsession here at

:41:15. > :41:19.Newsnight, we have been thinking a lot about lifts recently, we have

:41:20. > :41:23.moved to New Broadcasting House, a brand new building, but there is a

:41:24. > :41:28.problem with the lifts. It takes a long time for them to arrive. When

:41:29. > :41:39.they do they are packed like sardines and you can't get on.

:41:40. > :41:55.So how do engineers decide how many lifts go into a building, and how it

:41:56. > :41:59.works. We have an office building where with people all wanting to get

:42:00. > :42:04.to their desk. They are at work and want to get there. The hotel has

:42:05. > :42:09.different timing periods and might need more. Why not put more lifts in

:42:10. > :42:14.buildings so people don't have to wait any longer? The more you have,

:42:15. > :42:17.they take up more space, that is less space for the office and less

:42:18. > :42:22.rent for the landlord. There is more to the business of elevatoring than

:42:23. > :42:27.choosing right number of lifts. That is not a bad start. A modern

:42:28. > :42:31.elevator installation uses computer, monitoring, every lift call putten

:42:32. > :42:37.to and co-ordinating the response of every lift in the building. That may

:42:38. > :42:43.not sound like the world's toughest problem, there is a lot for the

:42:44. > :42:47.computer to think about. In a tall building with 20 lift call buttons

:42:48. > :42:52.pressed and eight lifts there are over a billion, billion different

:42:53. > :42:58.situation for the computer to send the lifts off to respond. Since

:42:59. > :43:02.nobody likes a sluggish lift, it all has to be done in a 50th of a

:43:03. > :43:10.second. If only there was somebody we could turn to? Somebody who could

:43:11. > :43:20.solve all of our elevator-based problems. Big or small. Dear lift

:43:21. > :43:24.doctor, sometimes I press the button and I can see the lift coming but it

:43:25. > :43:28.goes right past me, why does the lift hate me. The computer sees all

:43:29. > :43:32.the calls and all the lifts and it knows there might be some other

:43:33. > :43:38.people who have been waiting longer than you. It's trying to minimise

:43:39. > :43:43.the waiting for everyone, while you wait for the next lift overall it

:43:44. > :43:46.might be better for everyone. Dear lift doctor, I work in a busy

:43:47. > :43:52.building, in the morning everyone comes in at the same time and we are

:43:53. > :43:57.all hanging around in the lobby for an occasional lift to arrive and a

:43:58. > :44:04.few us to get in. Help us. You have only one button on the ground floor,

:44:05. > :44:08.so only one lift is sent and the others are brought back. It is good

:44:09. > :44:19.to make sure all the cars are brought back. Dear lift doctor, the

:44:20. > :44:26.problem is with the cafe and back. What can you do? You can give free

:44:27. > :44:31.tea and coffee on the floors, then people don't make extra trips to the

:44:32. > :44:36.cafeteri It is annoying to wait an extra minute for a lift. But a big

:44:37. > :44:43.building with a poorly designed elevator system would keep you

:44:44. > :44:49.longer than that. Five, ten minutes in a scraper the lifts have to be

:44:50. > :44:57.perfect. Modern skyscrapers use a destination control system. We swipe

:44:58. > :45:03.the card, enter our destination. Which in English you tell the

:45:04. > :45:08.elevator the floor you need and it assigns you the correct elevator.

:45:09. > :45:13.The system will group travellers together to a set number of floors.

:45:14. > :45:19.So the benefits system is it will travel to that certain number of

:45:20. > :45:22.floors without stopping everywhere. These are double-decker elevators is

:45:23. > :45:36.that common snooty The new technology? Twin elevators,

:45:37. > :45:40.similar to this but the cars are separated in the same cat but one

:45:41. > :45:47.car operating independently from the other car. Same principle, moves

:45:48. > :45:52.lots of people. One final element for the conscientious elevator

:45:53. > :46:03.scientist to consider. These lifts aren't moving cargo, they are moving

:46:04. > :46:08.people. And that means trouble. The BBC building managers at New

:46:09. > :46:12.Broadcasting House complain there is nothing wrong with the lifts, it is

:46:13. > :46:16.just that the users are doing it wrong. Apparently we overuse some

:46:17. > :46:21.banks of elevators and underuse others. In the future our robot

:46:22. > :46:26.over-Lords will take care of all of that. It may be that the security

:46:27. > :46:31.card that you carry to get into the building will already have your

:46:32. > :46:37.preferred floor coated into it, when you swipe your card through whatever

:46:38. > :46:42.entry device like a turnstile. The turnstile will have a screen

:46:43. > :46:47.embedded in it. You walk over to the elevator bank and get in, you won't

:46:48. > :46:50.have to touch anything. Cities are getting bigger, buildings getting

:46:51. > :46:56.taller, computers are getting faster and people are getting busier. That

:46:57. > :47:04.can only mean one thing, the dawn of the new age of the intelligence

:47:05. > :47:06.elevator is only just beginning. That's all for this evening, good