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:00:10. > :00:15.After 70 days in a Russian jail, the Greenpeace activists are released.

:00:16. > :00:19.We speak exclusively to one about life behind bars and whether it has

:00:20. > :00:24.changed his beliefs. I spend a lot of time in handcuffs and small

:00:25. > :00:31.spaces, being transported around. It is a very claustrophobic place,

:00:32. > :00:37.prison. Have we reached tipping point for the Bitcoin, what began as

:00:38. > :00:43.a subversive virtual currency, is now recognised by the fed. Does it

:00:44. > :00:48.ruin it? The Chingford boy who designed the iPod has teemed up with

:00:49. > :00:52.Bono, a warning, there will be singing. There is a tune I wrote

:00:53. > :00:58.earlier on it. # Strangers in the night (plays out

:00:59. > :01:06.of tune) # Exchanging glances, lovers at

:01:07. > :01:10.first sight! A diet of fish soup, court

:01:11. > :01:14.appearances in cages and two months in a Russian jail, there must have

:01:15. > :01:17.been times when the Greenpeace activists wondered if their trek

:01:18. > :01:21.into Arctic waters had really been worth it. But today came freedom of

:01:22. > :01:24.sorts. The release of 29 of the Arctic 30 on bail. Tonight we speak

:01:25. > :01:29.exclusively to one of the British men freed and asked about his

:01:30. > :01:32.experienced behind bars, and what taught him about Russia, prison and

:01:33. > :01:39.the effectiveness of direct action. First a reminder of how it all

:01:40. > :01:44.began. (Gunfire) It was this attempt by the protestors in September to

:01:45. > :01:50.board an Arctic oil rig, owned by the Russian company, Gazprom, that

:01:51. > :02:00.prompted the authorities to arrest them and charge them, first for

:02:01. > :02:04.trespassing and then hooliganism. This wasn't the first time they were

:02:05. > :02:08.on the rig, a year ago they got a warning from the Russians but no

:02:09. > :02:12.arrests. Court images like this brought worldwide condemnation of

:02:13. > :02:15.the activists' treatments. It is not just grassroots supporters is that

:02:16. > :02:19.have been campaigning for their release. Celebrities have got in on

:02:20. > :02:23.the act as well, causing widespread focus on the Russians and their

:02:24. > :02:32.reaction. Focus perhaps not entirely welcome ahead of the 2014 winter

:02:33. > :02:39.Olympics. How are you feeling? Feels very good to be out. The granting of

:02:40. > :02:43.the bail for 29 of the 30 held in detention came just after a maritime

:02:44. > :02:50.court ordered them to release the vessel and the crew on the payment

:02:51. > :02:55.of a three. Six million euro bond. Russia was dismissive of the case

:02:56. > :03:03.and said it didn't fall under the international tribunal of the law of

:03:04. > :03:06.the see. But President Putnam said Putin -- Putin said he didn't want

:03:07. > :03:13.to aggravate the situation. Whether they will be allowed to leave the

:03:14. > :03:19.country we do not know. I asked one of the freed how he felt to be free?

:03:20. > :03:24.I was jubilant this morning, the prevailing emotion most of the day.

:03:25. > :03:32.I still feel very strongly about our cause and you know the campaign to

:03:33. > :03:38.save the Arctic. Yeah, the period inside hasn't daunted me in the

:03:39. > :03:45.task, but you can't spend two months in Russian prisons without really

:03:46. > :03:52.taking a look at the whole issue and your own circumstances as well. I

:03:53. > :03:57.have had highs and lows. You mentioned the highs and the lows,

:03:58. > :04:01.what were the lows? The greatest low came last week when I heard that

:04:02. > :04:08.they had applied for a three-month extension for the investigation.

:04:09. > :04:15.Which really spelt out that there was the potential for us to be

:04:16. > :04:19.staying in the -- jail until late February. That was worrying from the

:04:20. > :04:22.point of view I wouldn't see my partner and I was going to miss

:04:23. > :04:27.Christmas and I wouldn't see my family. But, yeah, I was prepared

:04:28. > :04:33.for it. It was just a bit of a low point. But I think that the lowest

:04:34. > :04:37.point was when I ran out of reading materials. You know when you are

:04:38. > :04:42.sat, left alone with your thoughts, at that point you can get quite low.

:04:43. > :04:48.You have only been out a few hours, just describe what you have decided

:04:49. > :04:56.mentally you never want to do or see again? What do I never want to see

:04:57. > :04:59.again? That is Russian fish soup. Yeah, I haven't made any massive

:05:00. > :05:05.resolutions to change my way of life in any way. Did you ever question

:05:06. > :05:18.why you had ended up where you had? No, not at all. I was there for a

:05:19. > :05:23.reason, I have never doubted my Reasons. My resolve has never been

:05:24. > :05:28.stronger to fight for environmental issues, particularly the campaign of

:05:29. > :05:31.saving the Arctic and combatting climate change. Stepping back you

:05:32. > :05:36.could say none of your actions have yet impacted on what Russia, Gazprom

:05:37. > :05:40.or Shell are doing there, so has the direct action even worked? Had I not

:05:41. > :05:46.have done that I wouldn't be speaking to you now I doubt. My

:05:47. > :05:52.message is very much that humanity has to take a holistic view and

:05:53. > :05:56.really start doing some serious work towards preventing climate

:05:57. > :06:01.catastrophe. What we really need to do is get some kind of legal

:06:02. > :06:06.low-binding agreement to make an Arctic refuge, and that's what

:06:07. > :06:11.really you are aiming for, with the whole Save The Arctic Campaign. This

:06:12. > :06:16.was a small battle in that campaign. So I think it has been absolutely

:06:17. > :06:22.worth it. It certainly brought it to the attention of the Russian voters,

:06:23. > :06:26.you know, hopefully it is bringing it to the dinner tables around the

:06:27. > :06:29.world. For the conversations that will work both ways, some people

:06:30. > :06:32.watching this will say you left the Russians no choice. They had warned

:06:33. > :06:37.you a year ago, and those warnings hadn't been heeded, and they saw you

:06:38. > :06:41.boarding an oil rig, they had to take the action that they took. Do

:06:42. > :06:45.you agree with that? I think that works both ways. You know, they felt

:06:46. > :06:50.that they had to take action but we also feel that we have to take

:06:51. > :06:56.action. They felt what we were doing is wrong, but we know what they are

:06:57. > :07:02.doing is wrong. Scientific fact states that the climate is changing.

:07:03. > :07:07.And the icecaps are receding. If we don't do something who will stand up

:07:08. > :07:12.and say now is the time to act. We can't leave it too long. There are

:07:13. > :07:16.no constituents for the planet. We need it all realise we have to do

:07:17. > :07:20.something for it now. I have been frustrated at times, I have been

:07:21. > :07:27.very angry at times, but ultimately this is the price for standing up to

:07:28. > :07:31.be counted. I would do nothing different. I'm not saying that we

:07:32. > :07:37.should go out and do the exact same thing again. That wouldn't be

:07:38. > :07:40.helpful or creative. I think Greenpeace has shown that it is

:07:41. > :07:45.constantly creative in the way in which it tries to fight climate

:07:46. > :07:49.change and I think this has been done, so something else will be done

:07:50. > :07:54.next time. It has certainly got the conversation going in Russia and I

:07:55. > :08:00.think to that end we have succeeded greatly.

:08:01. > :08:04.Thank you very much indeed. A US senator has acted on the story

:08:05. > :08:08.broken earlier this month by Newsnight that Saudi Arabia had

:08:09. > :08:14.invested in Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme and in turn could

:08:15. > :08:18.obtain atomic bombs at will. Ed Markey who sits on the committee of

:08:19. > :08:24.foreign relations sought reassurance from the White House. What is the

:08:25. > :08:29.senator actually requesting? He's clearly concerned that while the

:08:30. > :08:33.attention has been on Iran, Saudi Arabia has been making preparations.

:08:34. > :08:36.It has been saying explicitly to the US for years that it was making

:08:37. > :08:40.preparations to go nuclear if Iran was ready to do the same. In his

:08:41. > :08:53.letter to the President, which we have obtained, he says:

:08:54. > :08:59.Essentially he's asking President Obama is this right? That the Saudis

:09:00. > :09:05.and Pakistanies have this understanding that in extremists the

:09:06. > :09:09.Saudis could get nuclear warheads and what is he going to do about it.

:09:10. > :09:15.Pakistan has denied the story, what if their side is right? They have

:09:16. > :09:18.denied it, we had Pakistani sources, former officials who said they

:09:19. > :09:23.believed the story of the deal with Saudi Arabia was true. But they have

:09:24. > :09:26.denied it. Saudi Arabia hasn't. That is causing some people to think,

:09:27. > :09:30.well could the Saudis have some other track to nuclear weapons,

:09:31. > :09:36.possibly. Something that might even continue even if there is a deal on

:09:37. > :09:39.the Iranian nuclear programme, and Senator Markey is particularly

:09:40. > :09:43.concerned about reports that the US has been negotiating a nuclear

:09:44. > :09:49.technology-sharing agreement with Saudi Arabia. He writes to the

:09:50. > :10:02.President: Of course the President may well

:10:03. > :10:06.argue that the most important thing he can do to address these concerns

:10:07. > :10:11.is complete this deal with the Iranians to halt their programme and

:10:12. > :10:15.therefore calm the regional situation, news tonight, Foreign

:10:16. > :10:18.Minister Lavrov has gone to Geneva where those talks are taking place.

:10:19. > :10:22.Mr Hague, the British Foreign Secretary will go tomorrow morning.

:10:23. > :10:26.John Kerry also on his way, they may be close to some sort of interim

:10:27. > :10:39.deal on the Iranian nuclear question. The Peercoin, the other

:10:40. > :10:44.coins making the Bitcoin look passe. They have exploded on to the public

:10:45. > :10:48.imagination, fans are hoping it is the passport to the quick fortune.

:10:49. > :10:51.These currencies bypass Governments and central banks, regulation and

:10:52. > :10:55.oversight. It is the thing that makes them so attractive, but

:10:56. > :10:59.ultimately uncontrollable. They have been seen since their inception a

:11:00. > :11:04.shadowy form of trade. This week they got the seal of approval, or at

:11:05. > :11:11.least recognition by none other than the Fed chairman. Has their time

:11:12. > :11:14.come? # There is nothing quite as

:11:15. > :11:19.beautiful as money # There is nothing quite as

:11:20. > :11:25.beautiful as cash # With money you can make a splash!

:11:26. > :11:31.What is money? For most people it means cash, here in this East End

:11:32. > :11:35.market the only way is cash. Fold it up, put it in your pocket or stuff

:11:36. > :11:39.it in your mattress, it is something you can believe in. In some quarters

:11:40. > :11:43.that belief in paper money is beginning to crumble. Some things

:11:44. > :11:48.have value because they are either desirable or rare. Like gold,

:11:49. > :11:51.diamonds or famous works of art. The problem with money is that it is

:11:52. > :11:54.anything but rare. Central banks around the world are printing the

:11:55. > :12:00.stuff like it is going out of fashion. For some people it already

:12:01. > :12:03.has. Using horribly complicated computer code, programmers have

:12:04. > :12:08.replicated some of the qualities we value in something like gold.

:12:09. > :12:12.Powerful computers compete like prospectors to unearth or mine the

:12:13. > :12:17.coins in cyberspace, but there is a fine night supply of them. Here you

:12:18. > :12:23.have a token, which is impossible to dilute, impossible to counterfeit,

:12:24. > :12:29.and just like people would consider buying gold during inflationary

:12:30. > :12:31.times, they are considering buying Bitcoin and buying Bitcoin, many

:12:32. > :12:35.people are buying Bitcoin because they are afraid of inflation. All

:12:36. > :12:39.very clever, what is the use of something that only exists in the

:12:40. > :12:46.ether. You can't take that down the pub. Well actually you can! Right, a

:12:47. > :12:52.drink I think. To buy a drink I'm going to need one of these, or one

:12:53. > :13:01.of these. There you go. That will be ?3. 20. Thank you very much, that

:13:02. > :13:04.was zero. 0071 Bitcoins to pay. So far virtual currencies have been in

:13:05. > :13:09.the shadows of the financial system, an experiment in creating a new form

:13:10. > :13:11.of exchange. But when the world's most powerful banker name checks

:13:12. > :13:27.them, people sit up and listen. A word or phrase from the Fed

:13:28. > :13:31.chairman can move markets, this was no exception, Bitcoins soared in

:13:32. > :13:38.value after the recent comments. Bitcoins are now worth ?730 each,

:13:39. > :13:45.two years ago it was three. Virtual currencies have been used across

:13:46. > :16:11.cyberspace. currencies have been used across

:16:12. > :16:31.two years ago it was three. Virtual currencies have been used across

:16:32. > :16:31.two years ago it was three. Virtual happening in the central blanks. And

:16:32. > :16:59.two years ago it was three. Virtual moving into something that they

:17:00. > :17:04.It is a socioeconomic movement we are going through at the moment,

:17:05. > :17:07.every time you have that you have to have the money behind it, a currency

:17:08. > :17:11.behind that, be that golden. At the moment this seems to be Bitcoin.

:17:12. > :17:14.What do you mean it is a socioeconomic move? It is a

:17:15. > :17:18.libertarian movement, it is a "by the people for the people" get away

:17:19. > :17:23.from big Government and big industry, get away from the people

:17:24. > :17:29.polluting the seas, the Internet and the global financial crisis. The

:17:30. > :17:34.LIBOR scandals, the scandals in HSBC, they are talking about Silk

:17:35. > :17:37.Road and HSBC, the current scandal can Co-Op bank, people are scared by

:17:38. > :17:41.the banking in this country and around the world. But you heard the

:17:42. > :17:44.point the commentator made that people think it is a post-Government

:17:45. > :17:47.currency, it is not, because the Government can step on it or stamp

:17:48. > :17:55.it out if they want to? That is false. Why? Because it is completely

:17:56. > :18:00.outside, it is like P-to-P file swapping hitting the music industry,

:18:01. > :18:04.this is the same thing with money. With the current regulatory

:18:05. > :18:08.environment will be as effective at stopping that as the music industry.

:18:09. > :18:12.Governments have already seized Bitcoins. And they couldn't hack

:18:13. > :18:17.into it. The Bitcoins... If they see it as a threat they will take it off

:18:18. > :18:21.the people, we all know that. How do they do that then? How do they take

:18:22. > :18:26.it off people? It is just like I have cash in my waet now, there is

:18:27. > :18:29.no way of insuring your Bitcoins against loss. That is one of the

:18:30. > :18:33.fears. They can take it off you or get it off your computer. This is

:18:34. > :18:38.what is happening in this industry, the environment in the US and the UK

:18:39. > :18:41.versus the rest of the world, China, India, around the world, Bitcoin is

:18:42. > :18:46.the unbanked of the world. Six billion people don't have access to

:18:47. > :18:48.banking infrastructure as such are now using these currencies with

:18:49. > :18:52.their mobile technologies, and they will lead this market. The number

:18:53. > :18:57.one market for Bitcoin is in China. If the US and the UK don't want to

:18:58. > :19:00.compete in this market they can go home, we don't want them to compete

:19:01. > :19:03.in this market. When you say Bitcoin to people, a lot of people will

:19:04. > :19:07.think of the dark net, the drugs, the child porn, the rather seedy

:19:08. > :19:11.side of the transactions that people don't want to do up front. Isn't

:19:12. > :19:17.that where Bitcoin is going to stay? No, of course not. That is a very

:19:18. > :19:21.minor part. When Silk Road was busted the Bitcoin started to move

:19:22. > :19:24.up in value because you got rid of what was perceived a bad agent in

:19:25. > :19:29.the market. There is a commerce element to Bitcoin, fine, the

:19:30. > :19:33.majority of reason we are looking at Bitcoin now is the increase in

:19:34. > :19:39.price. That is what takes it way in currency. If I owe you ?200 and it

:19:40. > :19:43.is trading at ?2 and I give you a Bitcoin and say the debt is done,

:19:44. > :19:52.tomorrow the Bitcoin halves and I get away with not paying you ?100.

:19:53. > :19:59.The market is so volatile people can't use it as exchange currency.

:20:00. > :20:05.There is no currency. 16% risk we are seeing on daily basis the

:20:06. > :20:08.Instant transaction like bit-pay. Which not many people will take at

:20:09. > :20:12.the moment? It is a huge industry. What about all the other currency, I

:20:13. > :20:17.mentioned at the beginning there, the Peercoin, and the lobe bow nick

:20:18. > :20:33.Celt and all the rest of it. If you can do an algorithm you want to code

:20:34. > :20:36.a new coin? Internet affect -- internet affectation. Would you

:20:37. > :20:41.invest in it? I had a look at it a couple of years ago looked at the

:20:42. > :20:44.infrastructure and sold it back. Sir Richard brandson is looking at

:20:45. > :20:49.Bitcoin for his interspacial flight new programme, he has already booked

:20:50. > :20:55.a quarter of a million dollar seat with it. There are 20,000 merchants

:20:56. > :20:58.that accept Bitcoin and it is growing in popularity. Thank you.

:20:59. > :21:06.Probably the most influential man you have never heard of, the

:21:07. > :21:12.Chingford-born design genius behind some of apple's most ubiquitous

:21:13. > :21:20.products. In keeping with their it is a ternity, tacit ternity, he

:21:21. > :21:34.rarely gives interviews. Joining with Bono for a charity event he

:21:35. > :21:39.broke his silence. Designed doesn't get any more rarified and bespoke

:21:40. > :21:44.than this. 43 one-off pieces, specially commissioned for an

:21:45. > :21:52.auction in New York. The famous face of the sale is the singer Bono. But

:21:53. > :21:57.apple's design supremo Sir Johnny Ine is the man sweating over the

:21:58. > :22:01.nuts and bolts, you would be hard pressed to find one here. What is

:22:02. > :22:06.interesting about these things is they are so purposeful, and there is

:22:07. > :22:11.incredible beauty cons Kent of just how focussed and -- consequent of

:22:12. > :22:15.how focussed and beautiful they are. Mostly you don't know who designed

:22:16. > :22:20.them or their biography, but you see what they do, and they do it so

:22:21. > :22:25.beautifully. A private view of the lot, before they are auctioned

:22:26. > :22:30.tomorrow more Bono's Product Red Charity. Which raises money to

:22:31. > :22:35.tackle AIDS, Malaria and TB in Africa. This is a tune earlier I

:22:36. > :22:39.wrote on it. # Strangers in the night (plays out

:22:40. > :22:45.of tune # Exchanging glances

:22:46. > :23:20.# Lovers at first sight. Don't give up the day job,

:23:21. > :23:23.to get ready. I thought OK, I thought I would see all of them, and

:23:24. > :23:29.be trusted to see all the new apple products. And I walked in. I hope

:23:30. > :23:33.you will tell us about it, these guys won't? They had them all

:23:34. > :23:40.covered which was upsetting. I just saws desks -- saw desks everywhere

:23:41. > :23:49.with these cloths, as well as hurt I thought that was a very dull grey.

:23:50. > :23:53.Despite apple's strange approach of pre-viewing its goodies, I was

:23:54. > :23:58.willing to discuss this computer, spoiler alert it is not out yet.

:23:59. > :24:07.This is the MacPro, just launched. It is like a number of the PCs here,

:24:08. > :24:16.it is made from alluminium, we experimented with anodisinging it in

:24:17. > :24:20.-- anodising it. The apple product will be in the grey, but this is the

:24:21. > :24:25.only one. What if there is a huge demand, it is too bad? There is just

:24:26. > :24:30.one. The approach was just to have essentially CPU, just the actual

:24:31. > :24:33.computing brain. And make that as fast as possible. But the cooling

:24:34. > :24:38.system actually means that it runs very quietly. Is it inspired by a

:24:39. > :24:42.wine cooler, because it lose look a little like a very sophisticated one

:24:43. > :24:45.doesn't it? I think what is more interesting is the inside. You

:24:46. > :24:49.actually see how it has been infigured about this central

:24:50. > :25:48.chimney, the air is pulled in through the bottom. That is a handle

:25:49. > :25:51.. I think as part of the human condition we sense when people care.

:25:52. > :25:57.We probably sense more when people don't care. And the majority of our

:25:58. > :26:04.manufactured environment, testifies to people actually not really caring

:26:05. > :26:10.about us. Space, in fact, and fiction, has been a major influence

:26:11. > :26:13.on apple's lead designer. No wonder he has included a space shuttle in

:26:14. > :26:18.the auction. Not a whole one. This is a window. And also I think the

:26:19. > :26:23.shape is just extraordinary as well. Do you think design and engineering

:26:24. > :26:29.gets the credit it deserves? Does Government give it enough attention,

:26:30. > :26:35.is it, is enough time spent on it at school and university. Are we

:26:36. > :26:41.encouraging people to be good at what you guys are exemplares of?

:26:42. > :26:47.There is certainly an issue, it is an expensive subject to teach.

:26:48. > :26:52.Because it requires workshops and machinery. So sadly there is not

:26:53. > :26:59.the, you know when we were growing up and certainly in the UK the UK

:27:00. > :27:03.has had an incredible tradition of design education. There is certainly

:27:04. > :27:08.not the same commitment, you don't see as many workshops when you work

:27:09. > :27:12.around schools now. Some may feel there is a large element of boys

:27:13. > :27:19.toys about this show and this auction. And they may think that it

:27:20. > :27:23.might be better and easier if apple and you didn't just reach into your

:27:24. > :27:27.pockets and make a contribution that way? You know apple are leading

:27:28. > :27:32.right out front. They are the largest corporate donor to the

:27:33. > :27:35.global fund, which is the mechanism to get these AIDS drugs to people

:27:36. > :27:38.who don't have them. They are very quiet about it, they are very apple

:27:39. > :27:44.about it, it is annoying sometimes, because they are doing such great

:27:45. > :27:50.work. Again, I just say to you, this is quite a sly political tool. And

:27:51. > :27:57.we can all give and do you know, our band, U two is also Red, but that's

:27:58. > :28:02.the point is the neon, the excitement, the sort of making this

:28:03. > :28:08.a political priority by keeping it in the public discussion. There is

:28:09. > :28:17.still time to get your bids in. Though a Russian oligarch is said to

:28:18. > :29:23.be determined to snap up the Soyuz spacesuit. Just the papers before

:29:24. > :29:28.That is all tonight, but those of a certain age can remember where they

:29:29. > :29:33.were 50 years ago today when they heard the news, that of President

:29:34. > :29:37.Kennedy's assassination. We will leave you with the sharp images of

:29:38. > :29:44.those moments in 1963. Good night.