:00:00. > :00:07.This programme contains strong language.
:00:08. > :00:11.Out today, the Scottish government's blueprint for an independent
:00:12. > :00:16.country, but is it a game-changer? Journalists from all over the world
:00:17. > :00:21.descended on Glasgow to hear the pitch for independence. A Newsnight,
:00:22. > :00:25.Alex Salmond throws down the gauntlet. We are entitled to a share
:00:26. > :00:29.of the asset. This is as much our pound as London's pound. It's
:00:30. > :00:34.certainly not George Osborne's pound. The children's commissioner
:00:35. > :00:38.for England find out children as young as 11 mete out sexual violence
:00:39. > :00:43.to others just as young. Loads of stories, you will be at a party, and
:00:44. > :00:46.see one girl and go to different boys. I've been at a party and seen
:00:47. > :00:50.one girl go through about ten different boys in one night. We talk
:00:51. > :00:57.to a former gang member and David Lamy MP. Another twist in the
:00:58. > :01:04.plebgate row: one out of the eight officers involved will face criminal
:01:05. > :01:07.charges. After a ?250,000 spend and one year on, we still don't know who
:01:08. > :01:13.said what at the gates of Downing Street. My reputation was destroyed.
:01:14. > :01:27.I was vilified relentlessly over 33 days.
:01:28. > :01:30.Good evening, it's not War and Peace, and it's very long, and its
:01:31. > :01:33.critics have dubbed it a work of fiction, but today the Scottish
:01:34. > :01:39.government made clear what they want to happen if Scotland votes yes next
:01:40. > :01:43.September. The document reiterates the desire to keep the pound and a
:01:44. > :01:46.currency union and retain membership of the EU and NATO, but the desire
:01:47. > :01:51.and the hard reality might be very different. What we do know for sure
:01:52. > :01:55.is that an independent Scotland would keep the monarchy and
:01:56. > :02:00.EastEnders. Allan Little is in Edinburgh. What is actually new?
:02:01. > :02:06.What did we learn today? Not very much for a document that runs to 670
:02:07. > :02:10.pages, except this: the detail, the detail is new, and it is new that it
:02:11. > :02:16.is a comprehensive account of the shape, and character, and spirit of
:02:17. > :02:19.the kind of society and independent Scotland that Alex Salmond and
:02:20. > :02:22.others want to see. This is meant to be a comprehensive account. This is
:02:23. > :02:27.meant to ask all the questions that people ask when they say, "I haven't
:02:28. > :02:30.yet got information information." Ask when they say, "I haven't yet
:02:31. > :02:32.got information information. " -- enough information." They hope the
:02:33. > :02:35.Scottish public will turn to this online or in any paper forms it
:02:36. > :02:37.comes in, and seek reassurance about the kind of ambitions that the
:02:38. > :02:42.Scottish government has. One big thing that is new is that they're
:02:43. > :02:45.promising what they call a revolutionary spans, an extension of
:02:46. > :02:50.childcare for children under school age so that they can encourage more
:02:51. > :02:53.women to go back into the workplace on a kind of Scandinavian model, if
:02:54. > :02:56.you like, encourage more women to become part of the productive
:02:57. > :02:59.economy, and help the kind of economic growth that they would want
:03:00. > :03:02.in a independent Scotland, and it would pay for many of the
:03:03. > :03:07.commitments that they make in this document. What is new, really, is
:03:08. > :03:13.the comprehensive nature of the aspiration that they are make. What
:03:14. > :03:19.do you think is their biggest asset? It was impressive watching Salmond
:03:20. > :03:22.who, as everybody knows, is a master political operator, and increasingly
:03:23. > :03:25.Nicola Sturgeon, speak today, because although it was an
:03:26. > :03:29.exhilarating moment for their supporters, you could taste the
:03:30. > :03:32.excitement in the air. Many of the members of the Scottish government
:03:33. > :03:36.were there and for them it was a major landmark on their long, long
:03:37. > :03:41.march for what they think is independence - remember, many have
:03:42. > :03:45.been in it for 30 to 40 years. Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon spoke
:03:46. > :03:47.dispassionately, almost as if they wanted to take the political grand
:03:48. > :03:51.standing out of it and speak as if there was nothing controversial
:03:52. > :03:56.left, nothing was controversial at all from the way they were speaking,
:03:57. > :04:01.speaking about it as if it was a technocratic now from now to
:04:02. > :04:05.independence. I think the danger for the Better Together campaign, the
:04:06. > :04:10.pro-union campaign is that as the campaign goes on, they will be
:04:11. > :04:14.sounding more and more negative, and many pro-independence people will
:04:15. > :04:18.see this as a simple choice between the sunny optimism of the
:04:19. > :04:27.possibility of a new start, as they see it, and the can you remember
:04:28. > :04:33.amongonly fearful caution of the Curmogeolnly fearful caution of the
:04:34. > :04:38.Better Together, and people are perceiving it that way. And It had
:04:39. > :04:43.to fall to several of our team to drill down into the white
:04:44. > :04:48.It is a big moment in the independence debate, and I think
:04:49. > :04:52.people will enjoy reading. It's going to be a substantial mark in
:04:53. > :04:55.our politics. I would say the most important political document in
:04:56. > :04:58.Scotland's history. Described in some quarters as the most
:04:59. > :05:04.significant document in Scottish history. The other great analogy is
:05:05. > :05:08.to the declaration of independence. Ultimately, at the heart of this
:05:09. > :05:12.debate, there's only one question, or one choice: do we, the people who
:05:13. > :05:19.live and work in Scotland, believe that we are the best people to take
:05:20. > :05:25.the big decisions about our future? This is a brochure for a country
:05:26. > :05:29.that doesn't yet exist - an independent Scotland. A 650-page
:05:30. > :05:33.travel guide to try and tempt people to live here. Many opinion polls
:05:34. > :05:42.suggest, for plenty, they don't yet wish to be here. This brochure will
:05:43. > :05:46.try to change that. The guide book is clear: an
:05:47. > :05:50.independent Scotland would keep the pound.
:05:51. > :05:54.We've putting forward an objective position of why a sterling area is
:05:55. > :05:59.not just in the best interests of Scotland but the best interests of
:06:00. > :06:03.the rest of the United Kingdom. But critics watching on campaigning to
:06:04. > :06:07.keep the union are simply not convinced. I think the most
:06:08. > :06:11.significant area of weakness is the fundamental one, and that is what
:06:12. > :06:16.currency would we use? If we didn't agree to the terms and conditions
:06:17. > :06:21.like the Eurozone, a currency union, what would that mean? Would we have
:06:22. > :06:26.our own currency? Join the Euro. They need to answer these questions,
:06:27. > :06:31.and they've ducked it. Amongst the big stuff, the pound, the Euro-or
:06:32. > :06:34.whatever it might be rattling around your pocket, Alex Salmond wanted to
:06:35. > :06:38.set out some economic goodies he would promise as for him, so there
:06:39. > :06:42.would be help for childcare, he would raise the personal allowance
:06:43. > :06:45.for income tax, he would raise the minimum wage at least in line with
:06:46. > :06:50.inflation. He would also cut corporation tax and cut the air
:06:51. > :06:54.passenger duty - retail political offers rather than just a big
:06:55. > :06:58.constitutional argument. But the question is how will this be
:06:59. > :07:03.paid for? The general principles that were set out for reform of the
:07:04. > :07:07.tax and welfare system in an independent Scotland were very
:07:08. > :07:12.laudable but there was an awful lot more detail about areas where they
:07:13. > :07:16.would choose to give money away, so in particular mentioning cutting the
:07:17. > :07:19.corporation tax rate, cutting employers' National Insurance, and
:07:20. > :07:24.reversing the bedroom tax that the current UK government has
:07:25. > :07:27.implemented in the longer run, what there was less mention of in the
:07:28. > :07:31.white paper is the fact that Scotland may have to face a more
:07:32. > :07:35.challenging fiscal tightening over the next few decades than the UK as
:07:36. > :07:39.a whole would. So what does our travel guide say about defence and
:07:40. > :07:45.relations with the European Union? Well, it sets out that we will
:07:46. > :07:49.continue to be a member of the EU. There's a view to remove Trident
:07:50. > :07:51.within the first term of the Scottish Parliament following
:07:52. > :07:58.independence, and Scotland would take its place as one of the many
:07:59. > :08:02.non-nuclear members of NATO. Why do we think Scotland will be
:08:03. > :08:07.welcomed into NATO? It's a North Atlantic treaty organisation. It
:08:08. > :08:10.would have a slight difficulty if a large part of the territorial area
:08:11. > :08:19.of the north Atlantic weren't part of NATO. But some are sceptical, and
:08:20. > :08:23.think the nationalists are naive. 670 pages of assertion, uncertainty.
:08:24. > :08:31.The much-vaunted legal opinion on our EU membership, noticeable only
:08:32. > :08:36.by its absence. The brochure commits an independent
:08:37. > :08:39.Scotland to create a new public service broadcaster. Scotland will
:08:40. > :08:45.remain a constitutional monarchy, and there will be no border checks.
:08:46. > :08:49.All of this isn't just about weighty fodder like the public finances,
:08:50. > :08:56.sovereignty, and nationalism, what about being able to see Strictly
:08:57. > :09:00.Come Dancing? Panic not, says Alex Salmond, that will still be on the
:09:01. > :09:03.telly. What about using a passport to visit here or travel elsewhere
:09:04. > :09:06.around the parish isles? You wouldn't need one. What about the
:09:07. > :09:13.National Anthem. There wouldn't be one at first. That would be decided
:09:14. > :09:17.after the referendum. Of of us watch Scottish football. I
:09:18. > :09:21.know Alex Hansen is leaving Match of the Day, but not to watch this
:09:22. > :09:24.regular slot, and have to be reduced to endless Celtic versus Rangers
:09:25. > :09:28.games, that could be a deciding factor in the vote for some of us.
:09:29. > :09:32.So plenty for people here to consider before next autumn's
:09:33. > :09:38.referendum, and plenty of reading for those consulting this guide book
:09:39. > :09:42.on Scotland's possible future. Earlier, I spoke to Alex Salmond and
:09:43. > :09:46.put it to him that today's white paper was little more than a wish
:09:47. > :09:52.list and won't necessarily deliver on a single promise. No, it is a
:09:53. > :09:55.very substantial document that accounts to people not just how we
:09:56. > :10:00.get to independence but perhaps crucially, and this is why it is a
:10:01. > :10:04.game-change, of the sort of things we can do with the independent
:10:05. > :10:09.Scotland once we have it, and the commits on childcare, pensions,
:10:10. > :10:12.getting back to work, unbidding the bedroom tax - all of these are
:10:13. > :10:16.things which are of huge interest to hundreds of thousands of families in
:10:17. > :10:19.Scotland, they're a positive vision and that's why we will win the
:10:20. > :10:24.campaign. They're a vision, and they will be determined by a lot of
:10:25. > :10:27.factor before that, not least things, for example, currency union.
:10:28. > :10:31.That is your plan A. You say you have no plan B. But currency union
:10:32. > :10:34.requires the goodwill of the rest of the United Kingdom, and they may not
:10:35. > :10:39.be minded to give you it. In fact, right now, they're saying it is not
:10:40. > :10:42.an option. We put forward an argument as to why it is in the
:10:43. > :10:45.interests of Scotland and in the interests of the rest of the UK to
:10:46. > :10:51.retain sterling, the pound, as our currency. That option of course was
:10:52. > :10:55.described as logical and desirable and Newsnight by Alistair Darling,
:10:56. > :10:59.the leader of the no campaign earlier this year. I know he has
:11:00. > :11:03.been got at by the campaign fever since, but nonetheless, at the going
:11:04. > :11:07.to have to decide why he thought it was logical and desirable in January
:11:08. > :11:10.but now argue, the opposite position. What we put forward is the
:11:11. > :11:14.consistent argument that keeping the pound is as much in our interests as
:11:15. > :11:17.in the interests of the rest of the UK, and on that basis it is a
:11:18. > :11:20.reasonable proposition to put forward. If the rest of the United
:11:21. > :11:24.Kingdom doesn't agree, then what happens? Because there seems to be a
:11:25. > :11:28.situation where you're saying if they don't agree, then you may well
:11:29. > :11:33.withhold the debt. Isn't that just a straightforward thuggish threat? No.
:11:34. > :11:38.The arguments mutual self-interest and trade. England is our biggest
:11:39. > :11:42.market; we're England's second biggest market. It would cost the UK
:11:43. > :11:45.businesses ?500 million in transaction costs to try and force
:11:46. > :11:50.Scotland out of a currency union. Secondly, we provide about 39
:11:51. > :11:54.billion of protection for the sterling balance of payments from
:11:55. > :11:57.oil and gas, it would knock a huge hole and sterling if that wasn't
:11:58. > :12:01.available. Thirdly, Kirsty, it is an argument about assets and
:12:02. > :12:04.liabilities: the Bank of England, sterling, is part of the assets of
:12:05. > :12:07.the country. We are entitled to a share of the assets. This is as much
:12:08. > :12:10.our pound as London's pound. It is certainly not George Osborne's
:12:11. > :12:15.pound, and the reason that we have accounted for paying a share of t
:12:16. > :12:19.liabilities, financing the incredible debt that George Osborne
:12:20. > :12:22.and Alistair Darling have built up - Can you go into these negotiations
:12:23. > :12:26.when you've already said, and it is not a gesture of goodwill, you said
:12:27. > :12:30.you're going to cut corporation tax for up to three per cent, that will,
:12:31. > :12:33.in order to try and put businesses a better position than they are in
:12:34. > :12:36.England, that's not a gesture of goodwill, is it? I was going to
:12:37. > :12:40.complete the point that we are saying we will accept the share of
:12:41. > :12:43.assets. We are entitled to that, and therefore will accept a share of
:12:44. > :12:46.finance and liabilities of the enormous debt that the two previous
:12:47. > :12:49.chancellors have built up. On the question of corporation tax, we put
:12:50. > :12:52.forward a competitive policy for Scotland. There have been many
:12:53. > :12:57.countries - Belgium and Luxembourg, for example - shared a currency for
:12:58. > :13:00.generations and had different rates of corporation tax because they did
:13:01. > :13:03.what they thought was best for their economies and their countries.
:13:04. > :13:06.That's a perfectly viable thing to put forward. Of course, the UK
:13:07. > :13:09.government can put forward its taxation policies as it wishes.
:13:10. > :13:13.That's the way you can handle these things: do what is in the interests
:13:14. > :13:17.of your economy to generate jobs and investment. Let's take something
:13:18. > :13:21.like Trident. What has been said in the Scotland's future is we are
:13:22. > :13:24.going for the speediest, safe withdrawal of nuclear weapons from
:13:25. > :13:28.Scotland, and you say it should be within the lifetime of the first
:13:29. > :13:31.parliament, 2020. What if that is not the speediest, safest
:13:32. > :13:34.withdrawal. Will you be prepared to delay? Safety will be paramount.
:13:35. > :13:37.That's why we expressed the commitment in the way that we do,
:13:38. > :13:42.the speediest safe withdrawal, but estimates have been provided for
:13:43. > :13:47.that, including by Commons committees which have very short
:13:48. > :13:53.timescale indeed. So much of this is comes down to Scotland voting yes,
:13:54. > :13:57.that you might have to trade Trident for staying? Currency union. It
:13:58. > :14:01.might be as crude as that? No, you know the position of a lot of the
:14:02. > :14:03.Scottish public, the SNP, and the Green Party, and others well enough
:14:04. > :14:06.to know that, for us, the nuclear weapons are something that must be
:14:07. > :14:10.removed from Scotland as speedily and as safely as possible. Let's
:14:11. > :14:15.deal with Europe now. What you're banking on is Scotland, an
:14:16. > :14:18.independent Scotland, being a continuum in the EU. You can't
:14:19. > :14:24.guarantee that, either. You may have to reapply, and if you do reapply,
:14:25. > :14:27.you have to to have the unanimous say-so of the other member
:14:28. > :14:31.countries. Spain might say no? Well, we put forward a position under
:14:32. > :14:34.Article 48 which obviously is consistent with the advice we've
:14:35. > :14:37.received from the Lord Advocate of Scotland which puts forward the
:14:38. > :14:42.mechanism by which Scotland can continue as a member of the European
:14:43. > :14:45.Union. Of course, there is a threat to Scotland's membership of the
:14:46. > :14:49.European Union, and that comes quite clearly from the commitment by David
:14:50. > :14:52.Cameron to hold an in-out referendum in the UK. That is the threat to
:14:53. > :14:59.Scotland's membership of the European Union. This is all
:15:00. > :15:05.predicated on a particular position of whoever is Chancellor or on the
:15:06. > :15:11.question of currency, Trident. You can't deliver any of these things,
:15:12. > :15:15.and elements like the bedroom tax, and childcare, they're promises that
:15:16. > :15:19.you might not be able to deliver either? Well, obviously, we can bin
:15:20. > :15:23.the bedroom tax. When Scotland becomes independent, we will have
:15:24. > :15:26.control of our social security. We can decide not to have a bedroom tax
:15:27. > :15:32.and do that in the first year. On the childcare, that's an interesting
:15:33. > :15:36.debate to open up. We point out if we move to Scandinavian levels of
:15:37. > :15:40.childcare, we attract far more women back into the worse workforce, give
:15:41. > :15:45.people an equal chance to work, that generates up to ?700 million much
:15:46. > :15:51.extra revenue. Right now under devolution, that will fall into the
:15:52. > :15:57.maws of George Osborne. It will accrue to a Scottish exchequer and
:15:58. > :16:01.make the policy affordable and sustainable. This is no more than an
:16:02. > :16:06.SNP manifesto. If Scotland were to vote yes next September, then on 24
:16:07. > :16:08.March 2016, you would have independence day, you would have a
:16:09. > :16:12.general election less than six weeks later, you might not be in power?
:16:13. > :16:16.We've not acknowledged that point, we embrace that point in the white
:16:17. > :16:18.paper published today, and, of course, the whole essence of
:16:19. > :16:21.independence is that people would have the choice. We would always in
:16:22. > :16:25.Scotland get the government that we vote for as opposed to having
:16:26. > :16:28.governments foisted upon us like at present which we didn't vote for.
:16:29. > :16:33.Alex Salmond, thank you very much. Great pleasure, thank you. Boys are
:16:34. > :16:38.predators, girls are prey - that remark by one teenager sums up the
:16:39. > :16:42.findings of a two-year report into young people and sexual violence
:16:43. > :16:45.published today by the children's commissioner for England. It makes
:16:46. > :16:48.for some tough reading, pointed to thousands of cases of invisible
:16:49. > :16:50.sexual abuse committed by children on children which the authorities
:16:51. > :16:55.are missing. Those problems are greatest in parts
:16:56. > :16:58.of the country where street gangs operate with impunity.
:16:59. > :17:11.This film contains some strong language.
:17:12. > :17:19.Hidden away in towns and cities, behind closed doors, and shut
:17:20. > :17:20.windows, what is described by the Children's
:17:21. > :17:25.Hidden away in towns and cities, behind closed doors, and shut
:17:26. > :17:26.windows, what is described by the Children's Commissioner as an
:17:27. > :17:28."invisible problem, a disturbing reality".
:17:29. > :17:33.A young woman considering, or even belonging to a gang faces the
:17:34. > :17:37.possibility of rape. That can be rape and a relationship
:17:38. > :17:40.or group rape. If a girl is easy, and they boast about possibility of
:17:41. > :17:43.rape. That can be rape and a relationship
:17:44. > :17:46.or group rape. If a girl is easy, and they boast about it, "I got this
:17:47. > :17:49.girl" the friends are like, "I might as well have a go." They get
:17:50. > :17:54.involved, tell their friends, and the girl is getting the name quick.
:17:55. > :17:57.If you're seen as a slag, you can risk a lot with loads of different
:17:58. > :18:01.men, she's not getting rid of that name, to every boy she will be
:18:02. > :18:06.nothing but sex. Today's report is warning that some
:18:07. > :18:11.forms of sexual violence are being completely missed by police, social
:18:12. > :18:15.workers, teachers, everyone. Teenagers often face abuse not from
:18:16. > :18:19.much older men but from other young teenagers, and much of the time,
:18:20. > :18:27.that abuse is hidden away, well beneath the surface.
:18:28. > :18:32.Michelle - not her real name - had just started secondary school when
:18:33. > :18:36.she was taken in a park in East London by a gang of boys aged 13 and
:18:37. > :18:40.14. It happened more than once. I was out with friends. Some of the
:18:41. > :18:44.girls knew the boys, so they approached us.
:18:45. > :18:47.As soon as I saw them, I had this kind of I don't know, impression
:18:48. > :18:50.that they were not nice people and they were kind of aggressive. They
:18:51. > :18:58.told us to get on the bus. We went to the local park and...
:18:59. > :19:02.Then it just happened. I don't know how to say it.
:19:03. > :19:08.Did you think of it as rape at the time? No. I didn't know what rape
:19:09. > :19:11.was at the time. To me, it was just something terrible because it made
:19:12. > :19:14.me feel upset. It frightened me. I said no.
:19:15. > :19:20.But it wasn't a thing where they were listening to me, like I could
:19:21. > :19:24.cry. I could scream. They wasn't ever listening. Did you ever come
:19:25. > :19:27.forward and tell anyone about it? I didn't tell anyone. All the young
:19:28. > :19:32.people knew it was going on. But they made out I wanted to do it.
:19:33. > :19:38.And they didn't know the full story. But as far as me telling somebody, I
:19:39. > :19:43.didn't feel like I could. Michelle's Nan eventually found out and two of
:19:44. > :19:49.the gang were convicted. Certainliual violence is not just a
:19:50. > :19:52.big-city phenomenon, but today's report based on two years of field
:19:53. > :19:55.work by the University of Bedfordshire suggests teenagers are
:19:56. > :19:57.particularly at risk in neighbourhoods like this one in
:19:58. > :20:06.South London where local gangs have power and influence.
:20:07. > :20:10.The authors spoke to 188 young people in six research sites across
:20:11. > :20:16.England. Of those prepared to talk about sex, 65 per cent knew of cases
:20:17. > :20:21.of girlsing pressured into sexual activity. 41 per cent identified
:20:22. > :20:25.cases of rape; 44 per cent of gang rape. We are all trained youth
:20:26. > :20:30.workers, social workers, we've got a lot of experience. We would very -
:20:31. > :20:34.we were very genuinely shocked by the amount of sexual violence that
:20:35. > :20:39.we were coming across. As time went on, we began to find that we were
:20:40. > :20:44.accepting it almost as normal in a similar sort of way as the young
:20:45. > :20:49.people were, and that really frightened us. Speak to teenagers in
:20:50. > :20:52.places like this, and what comes across is just how routine that sort
:20:53. > :20:57.of abuse can feel. Loads of stories like you will be at
:20:58. > :21:00.a party, and you'll see one girl go through different boys, like I've
:21:01. > :21:03.been at a party, and I've seen one girl go through about ten different
:21:04. > :21:07.boys in one night. You don't know if that boy has drugged them in their
:21:08. > :21:10.drink or spiked their drink, and then like they obviously take them
:21:11. > :21:14.to the bedroom and then they get all their mates to do it. Would anyone
:21:15. > :21:17.ever report it? No, because they're too scared because what about if
:21:18. > :21:21.they threaten them while they're doing it, if you go to the police, I
:21:22. > :21:24.will do it again but with different people, I am going to slap you up.
:21:25. > :21:28.Not just that, if you report it, like not just could happen to you
:21:29. > :21:32.but what could happen to your family, you get labelled as a snake.
:21:33. > :21:35.Once you've got labelled as a snake, you're known as a snake, you can't
:21:36. > :21:39.be trusted because you run to the police. You're just their little
:21:40. > :21:43.like informer. You're nothing. You're just a snake.
:21:44. > :21:48.The scale of this problem still is not clear, but the best guess is
:21:49. > :21:51.that 5,000 young women are at risk of gang-related sexual violence in
:21:52. > :21:56.London alone. There is no national figure.
:21:57. > :22:00.Very loving, very safe to live in... Cherie Johnson grew up in
:22:01. > :22:04.South London. Her mother spent time in prison for smuggling drugs. Her
:22:05. > :22:09.dad was a well-known dealer. She qualified as a probation officer and
:22:10. > :22:13.social worker, and now runs her own project helping other girls trying
:22:14. > :22:19.to leave that ceremony environment. Girls have two roles: you are either
:22:20. > :22:22.the victim of the group or you're a perpetrator with the group. So if
:22:23. > :22:27.you're a victim, you will be used as a sex toy, you will be passed
:22:28. > :22:31.around, you will be shared, you will be encouraged to hold drugs, store
:22:32. > :22:35.guns, and stuff like that. If you're the perpetrator, your status is a
:22:36. > :22:39.little bit more high. For example, the males in the gangs respect you a
:22:40. > :22:43.little bit more. Just one in 12 of the young people
:22:44. > :22:48.in the study said they would ever talk about or report an incident of
:22:49. > :22:51.sexual violence. Young women often viewed abuse from boyfriends or
:22:52. > :22:55.partners as simply part of life. Those victims were often seen as
:22:56. > :23:01.having brought harm on themselves by their own actions.
:23:02. > :23:04.Among some young men, there is a sharp distinction between
:23:05. > :23:08.girlfriends who might be treated with respect and another type of
:23:09. > :23:13.girl used for casual sex. Those connected to gangs would only speak
:23:14. > :23:17.openly if we agreed to hide their identities.
:23:18. > :23:21.You've got your hood, girls. Would you class as hood chicks? And your
:23:22. > :23:24.wife which is a girl you keep at home and nobody knows.
:23:25. > :23:27.You don't bring her involved or anything.
:23:28. > :23:32.She's the one you treat nice. What is the difference in the way you
:23:33. > :23:36.treat the hood girls and the wives in terms of the way they get
:23:37. > :23:39.treated? It's the way you speak to them.
:23:40. > :23:42.What you do after you finish after having sex with them. They don't
:23:43. > :23:47.mean nothing to you. It is just there for convenience.
:23:48. > :23:51.It could happen anywhere, just the boys chilling together, and they're
:23:52. > :23:55.they're lying, you know, I want to get my Dick out, let's phone
:23:56. > :24:00.whoever, phone someone and say, "Yes, we are here chilling, come and
:24:01. > :24:04.suck our dicks." Then the girl will turn up, she will know what it is
:24:05. > :24:07.before she even got there, so I don't know. It's like they think it
:24:08. > :24:11.is cool. They don't see it as a problem.
:24:12. > :24:15.If you're in a gang and you see a girl who is a slag, then you ask
:24:16. > :24:22.them, are you on it? They will be like, yes, yes, yes, and then take
:24:23. > :24:27.them wherever, in the block, you and your friends, and just lock them,
:24:28. > :24:31.innit. I know people that have done it. They enjoyed it. What do the
:24:32. > :24:36.girls say afterwards? Nothing. They just get ready and leave. Are they
:24:37. > :24:40.upset, look upset, worried or not? Normal day to them, isn't it? If
:24:41. > :24:46.they wear short skirts, high heels, belly tops, that's putting yourself
:24:47. > :24:51.out there saying, "Look at me, come and lock me." Do they deserve to get
:24:52. > :24:57.- Raped? Of course they do, not really, but if you're like that
:24:58. > :25:01.every day then expect to get raped - innit. It might be the way they want
:25:02. > :25:06.to dress. Yes, true, never know, though.
:25:07. > :25:10.Of course, not all teenage boys living in estates will think like
:25:11. > :25:15.that. These three are not directly connected to gangs at all but all
:25:16. > :25:19.have grown up in areas where gang culture is strong, and losing your
:25:20. > :25:22.virginity is crucial for your reputation.
:25:23. > :25:27.In school mainly, like when you're in school them times, like there's a
:25:28. > :25:31.lot of pressure on them times, and then if you haven't lost it as you
:25:32. > :25:36.get older, people look at you like you've got no game, nothing like
:25:37. > :25:42.this, and so it's embarrassing sort of thing. Another thing, if you're
:25:43. > :25:45.in a gang and you haven't lost your virginity, if you don't have sex
:25:46. > :25:49.with the girl, they're going to beat you up, like you're going to take a
:25:50. > :25:52.beating, and you have to phone the beating, so you don't have no
:25:53. > :25:56.option, no nothing. So basically you have to do it. That could be the
:25:57. > :26:03.case even if the girl doesn't really want to do it? Yes.
:26:04. > :26:07.Pressure to have sex has long been part of teenage life, but in pockets
:26:08. > :26:12.of our inner cities, and even outside those areas, this report
:26:13. > :26:17.argues a culture of violence and sex has emerged. It is a culture adults
:26:18. > :26:21.know very little about that will have to change if young victims of
:26:22. > :26:27.abuse are going to get the help they really need.
:26:28. > :26:32.Joining me now is Isha Nembhar, a former gang member who now works
:26:33. > :26:38.with young offenders, including those in gangs at Foundation For
:26:39. > :26:40.Life, and David Lamy. First of all, in London alone, five girls, subject
:26:41. > :26:48.to this kind of sexual violence and rape. Does it surprise you at all?
:26:49. > :26:52.No, it doesn't. I've been working alongside Foundation for Life for a
:26:53. > :26:54.long time now, and this is what the problem is. It has been the problem,
:26:55. > :26:59.and the longer and longer it has been, it has been normalised as
:27:00. > :27:03.well. But why do young boys have this attitude towards women, towards
:27:04. > :27:08.girls? A lot of these young men, they don't have no role models at
:27:09. > :27:14.home, first of all, so they've got a broken home. A lot of - nine out of
:27:15. > :27:16.ten, they don't have father figures at home. They haven't got that
:27:17. > :27:22.positive role model to say you must treat a woman like this. They know
:27:23. > :27:25.right and wrong because they've got this one woman at home that's okay
:27:26. > :27:28.and they rape others. Because some girls, as they say, put it out
:27:29. > :27:33.there, they feel like they deserve it. David Lamy, you've written about
:27:34. > :27:37.this before, but even since you've written about it, it seems to have
:27:38. > :27:42.got worse, not better. Look, I think that the gang issue in Britain has
:27:43. > :27:45.been going on now for, or the acceleration of it, for at least 15
:27:46. > :27:49.years, and, frankly, it's getting worse. We have had reports, we had
:27:50. > :27:58.one recently into the riots - nothing has happened. Where does the
:27:59. > :28:02.problem lie in attitudes? Is it male role models or something else that
:28:03. > :28:05.is driving this? Of course it's role models but you can do something
:28:06. > :28:08.about it with mentors, and supporting young fathers. Where is
:28:09. > :28:11.the sex education in our schools of any quality? It is totally about the
:28:12. > :28:15.mechanics and not about the real life. That's how you intervene to
:28:16. > :28:18.make a difference. These young women doesn't feel, one in 12 of these
:28:19. > :28:22.girls wouldn't ever dream of going anywhere and reporting it. There is
:28:23. > :28:27.no safe space for them to report it. Because the community let these
:28:28. > :28:33.young kids do what they need to do and leave them to do it. They need
:28:34. > :28:37.local schools, you know, projects like Families For Life, social
:28:38. > :28:42.workers, the police, they need to have relationships with these young
:28:43. > :28:46.people. It is interesting one of the young women didn't know it was rape.
:28:47. > :28:50.That, frankly, is a regression in where we've come to understand a
:28:51. > :28:55.woman's privacy, her intimacy, and the fact that her body is her own.
:28:56. > :28:58.We've relessed, allowed that -- regressed, and allowed that to
:28:59. > :29:01.happen and it is happening because schools are not able to grip this in
:29:02. > :29:07.education. Families certainly are where they are broken, and we need
:29:08. > :29:12.the intervention of all services working together to challenge the
:29:13. > :29:16.idea that casual sex is fine. Are boys hearing this from other
:29:17. > :29:21.boys? What do they do? Why do they think that this is normal behaviour?
:29:22. > :29:26.Is it anything to do with online. What drives it apart from the fact
:29:27. > :29:30.there are no male models? The media, a lot of young males are watching
:29:31. > :29:36.porn on TV, so the way they feel they should have sex and treat a
:29:37. > :29:39.woman is wrong, its violent, and the way they certain songs that they
:29:40. > :29:43.listen to, I think that's got to do with it as well. I think two things:
:29:44. > :29:48.where there's a turf war - and there is in some of these communities -
:29:49. > :29:51.violence, status symbols, and, of course, sex and women defined by
:29:52. > :29:58.that is what you get. That's why we've got to intervene to challenge
:29:59. > :30:02.it, and there are cultural norms around grime, and popular culture,
:30:03. > :30:05.the games industry that is driving this -- crime. Many of these young
:30:06. > :30:09.people are exposed to nothing else. That's where it becomes a challenge.
:30:10. > :30:12.The idea if there is an idea, there are charities of course and there is
:30:13. > :30:15.work that you're doing, and there is work the young woman was doing in
:30:16. > :30:20.the film, but for many people they report it, and the reprisals will be
:30:21. > :30:25.horrific. Yes, there is definitely a culture of not grassing, if you
:30:26. > :30:28.like. Yes. That gets back to policing, people's attitude to what
:30:29. > :30:33.happens when you grass, who gets convicted, who doesn't, and the way
:30:34. > :30:36.in which some of these communities are not just local they are
:30:37. > :30:43.parochial - that's why you get the post code. Very, very small, your
:30:44. > :30:48.life is very small. Literally, the gangs develops because a few streets
:30:49. > :30:51.away another gang owns the turf. This phenomenon is American, it is
:30:52. > :30:55.come to Britain in a real and deep way and it is now endemic. What will
:30:56. > :30:59.it take to sort this out? It will take the whole community, schools,
:31:00. > :31:04.police, local services to work alongside with males and females,
:31:05. > :31:07.you know? You know, you need one-to-ones, you need intervention.
:31:08. > :31:12.You need all of these things to stop this going on, really.
:31:13. > :31:15.Is it because it is so localised and hidden that actually it takes
:31:16. > :31:19.something like the Children's Commission to do a two-year report
:31:20. > :31:25.to find out about it comprehensively or should it be known toe all of us?
:31:26. > :31:30.It should be known to everyone. If we tackle this, like we tackle the
:31:31. > :31:33.economy - That's about the will. That will solve the problem. Do you
:31:34. > :31:36.think there is the will to make this a priority? No. We would have done
:31:37. > :31:42.something. We are sleep-walking towards some of the worst scenes
:31:43. > :31:45.that we see in the United States in this country, and the pace at which
:31:46. > :31:48.we are challenging some of this, the fact that we are having this
:31:49. > :31:52.conversation, and this has been on Newsnight on regular occasions, is
:31:53. > :31:57.deeply worrying. Thank you both very much indeed.
:31:58. > :32:00.The Co-Op Bank saga rumbles on, with police arresting two men today in
:32:01. > :32:05.connection with allegations of supplying drugs to the bank's
:32:06. > :32:13.disgraced former boss, Paul Flowers. I think that's 300. Let me check it.
:32:14. > :32:17.20, 40, 60... The dramatic fall from grace of Reverend Flowers has
:32:18. > :32:21.grabbed the headlines, but the Co-Op's financial difficulties
:32:22. > :32:25.predated his arrival at chairman. The bank's disastrous merger with
:32:26. > :32:31.the Britannia building society left it with ?500 million of bad loans on
:32:32. > :32:35.its books, and a 1.5 billion capital short fall. How could this have
:32:36. > :32:38.happened at the height of the banking crisis when regulators
:32:39. > :32:42.should have been on their guard? Questions are being asked about how
:32:43. > :32:47.the Co-Op was allowed to get into this mess, and how a man like the
:32:48. > :32:51.Reverend flowers with in connection to no banking experience was allowed
:32:52. > :32:57.to run the company. Lord Turner was chair of the now defunct financial
:32:58. > :33:01.services watchdog, the FSA, when the Britannia merger and the appointment
:33:02. > :33:06.of Paul Flowers all took place. He joins me now. When you approved Paul
:33:07. > :33:10.Flowers as non-executive director at the Co-Op, what went wrong? That is
:33:11. > :33:16.what the inquiry will have to look at. I mean, broadly speaking, the
:33:17. > :33:22.story of the FSA on this particular issue of how we approved people for
:33:23. > :33:26.a directorship or chairmanships was a process of continual change during
:33:27. > :33:31.the four years that I was there, and we greatly improved the procedures,
:33:32. > :33:36.moved to aggressive interviews, moved to more searching approach.
:33:37. > :33:39.Now, I don't know where in that transition this particular event
:33:40. > :33:44.occurred; it was completely different by the time I ended at the
:33:45. > :33:47.FSA than we were at the beginning. I think it has fundamentally changed.
:33:48. > :33:51.We've got to look at it again, and see whether there are lessons to be
:33:52. > :33:55.learned about still further improvements in that. Having said
:33:56. > :34:00.that, I think we should be very cautious of believing that the
:34:01. > :34:04.problems of the Co-Op can be strongly identified with this
:34:05. > :34:07.particular individual. There were lots of executives at the Co-Op who
:34:08. > :34:12.had lots of banking experience, and let us remember that there were lots
:34:13. > :34:17.of people with lots and lots of banking experience at the big banks
:34:18. > :34:21.which went bankrupt, which failed, with far bigger impact on the
:34:22. > :34:25.economy, in the UK and the US, in 2008. So we've got to be very
:34:26. > :34:28.careful leaping in and staying just if behad good professional bankers,
:34:29. > :34:32.we will solve the problem. We come on to that, because that makes the
:34:33. > :34:37.task of whoever is sorting the wheat from the chaff very different if
:34:38. > :34:40.they are faced with all these banking qualifications. Just on the
:34:41. > :34:43.question of Paul Flowers, did his appointment cross your desk? No, it
:34:44. > :34:46.wouldn't have. Again, I am pretty sure that that is the case. I don't
:34:47. > :34:49.want to get into the details of that because it is subject to an
:34:50. > :34:52.inquiries process, they will be exploring that, but it wouldn't
:34:53. > :34:55.normally have been something. At this stage of a non-executive
:34:56. > :34:58.director? I may have been informed of it, but I wouldn't imagine I
:34:59. > :35:03.would have even been informed about it. One non-executive director of
:35:04. > :35:05.what is a relatively small bank wouldn't necessarily or not
:35:06. > :35:08.naturally come to the level of the Chairman of the board. That is
:35:09. > :35:11.interesting because I think what we understand is as a non-executive
:35:12. > :35:18.director, the person who dealt with that was a kind of case load worker
:35:19. > :35:22.who looked at non-ex-ex, but but the time you became Chairman, we knew
:35:23. > :35:25.the Co-Op was in a really difficult situation, and yet. I am not sure
:35:26. > :35:28.that that is the case. I think again, I don't want to go through
:35:29. > :35:33.the details of this, because this is something that should come out with
:35:34. > :35:36.public information from the PRA itself, but if you actually look at
:35:37. > :35:40.the very good description that Andrew Bailey, the head of the PRA
:35:41. > :35:45.who was previously head of banking supervision at the - I think he
:35:46. > :35:48.might have - Gave to the TFC. I think he might have interviewed Paul
:35:49. > :35:50.Flowers. I am not sure that's the case, but I can't comment on that
:35:51. > :35:56.because I haven't looked at the files, but he gave a very good
:35:57. > :36:00.examine the to the TFC a couple of weeks ago of what occurred, and that
:36:01. > :36:06.makes it plain that a lot of the problems of the Co-Op really only
:36:07. > :36:10.became clear in the course of 2011 and 2012 when I actually think the
:36:11. > :36:13.FSA did a very good job of making sure that the fundamental questions
:36:14. > :36:19.were being asked before, and making sure they didn't go ahead with the
:36:20. > :36:24.Veridat decision unless those questions were asked. On the vetting
:36:25. > :36:27.procedure yourself, have you ever turned a candidate down? Yes,
:36:28. > :36:31.they've been turned down occasionally. The difficulty is of
:36:32. > :36:34.course when you have people not like Paul Flowers with such a limited
:36:35. > :36:37.banking experience, but you're having senior bankers making massive
:36:38. > :36:42.mistakes. I think this is the crucial point. The Co-Op is an
:36:43. > :36:47.important issue, but it has not involved taxpayer support, and it
:36:48. > :36:55.has not involved a deposit and losses, and it is not a massive big
:36:56. > :36:58.bank. Back in2008, in order to stop depositor losses and a complete
:36:59. > :37:03.collapse of the banking system, we had to put taxpayer money in the UK
:37:04. > :37:06.and in the US into banks which had people with thousands and thousands
:37:07. > :37:11.of years of banking experience. There was nothing about that banking
:37:12. > :37:15.experience which stopped those banks reaching problems. What I think that
:37:16. > :37:19.illustrates, actually, is that although we talk about these issues
:37:20. > :37:22.of interviews and vetting, and licensing, I think they're less
:37:23. > :37:25.important than some really structural issues about why the
:37:26. > :37:30.banking system is unstable. When it comes to the takeover of Britannia
:37:31. > :37:35.and the possible takeover of Lloyds, do you think there was pressure put
:37:36. > :37:42.there for the Code to be successful? No, the FSA, I think, did its job
:37:43. > :37:45.correctly. The FSA looked at the capital requirements in relation in
:37:46. > :37:50.particular to the - They can look good for a challenger bank to be
:37:51. > :37:55.won? Again, I think that has to be left to the inquiries, et cetera,
:37:56. > :38:03.but you will say is the FSA quite clearly, as Andrew Bailey said out
:38:04. > :38:08.in the TSC, did its job in relation to the Verdiac. It asked the right
:38:09. > :38:13.questions. Moving on to the question of payday loans, the whole
:38:14. > :38:17.application for payday loans doubled under your tenureship of the FSA.
:38:18. > :38:22.Are you glad now the government has put a cap on it? Personally, I am.
:38:23. > :38:27.The FCA only gets responsibility for anything to do with consumer credit
:38:28. > :38:31.in March of next year. I remember saying to the board, and to my suck
:38:32. > :38:34.severs, one of your biggest issues will be consumer credit, and I think
:38:35. > :38:38.it is a very big issue for society, and I think we need to take some
:38:39. > :38:42.pretty tough action. Thank you very much indeed. At its height, the
:38:43. > :38:47.plebgate investigation involved 30 police officers and overall 1,000
:38:48. > :38:51.statements, 500 exhibits and seized documents. Now, the former Chief
:38:52. > :38:54.Whip, Andrew Mitchell, said he has been stitched up after just o of
:38:55. > :38:57.eight officers under criminal investigation has been charged. That
:38:58. > :39:00.is not the Downing Street police officer who claimed Andrew Mitchell
:39:01. > :39:03.called eet police officer who claimed Andrew Mitchell called him a
:39:04. > :39:06."pleb". He is standing by his account, and the Conservative MP who
:39:07. > :39:10.has always denied using the word is calling for the Constable to give
:39:11. > :39:13.evidence under oath. As a press conference today, Andrew Mitchell
:39:14. > :39:19.firm lip blamed police for the cost of his job and his reputation. I was
:39:20. > :39:23.vilified relentlessly over 33 days with over 800 hate e-mails received
:39:24. > :39:27.during the course of that first week.
:39:28. > :39:30.Eight I and my family were driven from our home with as many as 20
:39:31. > :39:33.journalists and photographers camped outside.
:39:34. > :39:37.My children were followed by the press.
:39:38. > :39:41.My 92-year-old mother-in-law was pursued in Swansea. I was spat at in
:39:42. > :39:46.the street. I lost my job after a career
:39:47. > :39:51.spanning more than 25 years in parliament, serving my constituents,
:39:52. > :39:55.my party, and my country. Well, I am joined now in the studio
:39:56. > :39:59.by the BBC's home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw. Danny,
:40:00. > :40:04.first of all, we've just heard about the trouble caused for Andrew
:40:05. > :40:08.Mitchell. However, of the affair damaged the police. This is very
:40:09. > :40:12.damaging to the police. Whenever you talk to police officers about
:40:13. > :40:16.plebgate, they sigh, they gasp, they're frustrated that such a minor
:40:17. > :40:22.incident could do such damage to the reputation of the service. But,
:40:23. > :40:26.today -- but today could have been a lot worse for police. You've got one
:40:27. > :40:29.officer facing criminal charges, and the other disciplinary charges,
:40:30. > :40:34.serious nonetheless, and the central account of the officer at the gate,
:40:35. > :40:40.that remains in place. He is not facing criminal charges, he is not
:40:41. > :40:42.facing disciplinary charges, and the Crown Prosecution Service and the I
:40:43. > :40:46.wanted pen police complaints commission say we can't prove either
:40:47. > :40:52.way whether he was telling the truth. Where does this leave the
:40:53. > :40:58.Metropolitan Police police commissioner Bernhard hoeing Juanan.
:40:59. > :41:01.He was heaviliorised today for undermining what Andrew Mitchell
:41:02. > :41:05.said because he said he made comments which appeared to support
:41:06. > :41:08.the experts very earliy on in the investigation. This raises questions
:41:09. > :41:13.over his judgment of the matter. Is this the end of this? Are regoing to
:41:14. > :41:17.hear a lot more of this? We will probably still be talking about it
:41:18. > :41:21.in a year's time. We've got a criminal trial coming up; we've got
:41:22. > :41:25.disciplinaries proceedings, and also the prospect of the after libel case
:41:26. > :41:27.coming up between Andrew Mitchell and the Sun newspaper which tonight
:41:28. > :41:31.has issued a statement saying effectively, "See you in court."
:41:32. > :41:34.Toby Rowland, the officer at the centre of all this, has also issued
:41:35. > :41:39.a statement tonight saying he stands by every word that he has said, and
:41:40. > :41:44.he will, as Andrew Mitchell has challenged him to, take the oath and
:41:45. > :41:49.swear by what he said in a court of law. Thank you very much indeed.
:41:50. > :41:52.The publication of the Scottish government's blueprint for
:41:53. > :41:56.independence meant Scotland got to steal of of the limelight today, so
:41:57. > :42:01.we thought we would fish tonight south of the border. Colchester is
:42:02. > :42:09.best known as the town destroyed by Boudica, but it was on the map long
:42:10. > :42:14.before the Romans pitched up. We asked the residents there what they
:42:15. > :42:19.made of this historic day. England doesn't get a lot more
:42:20. > :42:24.English than Colchester, the oldest recorded town in the country, and
:42:25. > :42:28.birthplace of John Constable, and Blur.
:42:29. > :42:32.Not only have the people of Colchester been poring over the SNP
:42:33. > :42:43.blueprint today, but there was a breakout at the town zoo.
:42:44. > :42:46.ANSMIT (wolf howls) three wolves escaped. It's a perfect storm much
:42:47. > :42:51.news - Scottish politicians and wolves. Their defensive and mark out
:42:52. > :42:59.their ground by howling at each other. These wolves behave much the
:43:00. > :43:06.same way. By this evening, much of the wolves
:43:07. > :43:11.had sadly been put down, leaving one rogue animal at large.
:43:12. > :43:14.The streets of Colchester are all but decertificatesed tonight. Is
:43:15. > :43:19.everyone inside reading the SNP document? Or have they bolted their
:43:20. > :43:24.doors against that escaped wolf? Lupus Lupus, so bad they named it
:43:25. > :43:28.twice. We do have quite a big Scottish community here, so the
:43:29. > :43:35.independence of Scotland, I think, would probably be of interest to a
:43:36. > :43:40.lot of people in Colchester. We have an annual event called Scotland in
:43:41. > :43:44.Colchester where we have pipe bands. Why on earth do they do that?
:43:45. > :43:47.Because there is a huge Scottish community here in Colchester, not
:43:48. > :43:52.only is Colchester the second largest guardries son outside of
:43:53. > :43:55.Aldershot, so we have a lot of Scottish people who have been here
:43:56. > :43:58.through the army, a lot of people came down from Scotland, at the turn
:43:59. > :44:02.of the 19th century to farm here. What changed your mind about the
:44:03. > :44:06.news today? It made me think are we doing the right thing or not, yes. I
:44:07. > :44:10.don't like the idea of the break-up of Great Britain, quite honestly. We
:44:11. > :44:15.are one island. It seems silly to sort of break it up into little
:44:16. > :44:18.pieces again. I met the people there, and they're very different to
:44:19. > :44:24.the people in the rest of Britain. I would say that they already are
:44:25. > :44:29.fairly independent, and I think it would be a much more peaceful and
:44:30. > :44:32.better situation if they were fully independent. I've lived in Glasgow
:44:33. > :44:37.the majority of my life, and I've obviously had an experience of
:44:38. > :44:42.living down south in England for a number of years, so I am very much
:44:43. > :44:46.of the opinion that Scotland are in a position to contribute enough to
:44:47. > :44:50.go independent. If opponents of Scottish
:44:51. > :44:55.independence claim that the English are against it, our unreliable
:44:56. > :44:59.evidence from very English Colchester is that they may be
:45:00. > :45:03.crying wolf. Tomorrow morning's front pages,
:45:04. > :45:08.giving with the FT: Royal Bank of Scotland faces criminal proceed into
:45:09. > :45:13.SME cases. The Guardian claims of police lies
:45:14. > :45:17.reignites the plebgate row, and the cross word master dies at 92.
:45:18. > :45:22.The Daily Mirror and the Daily Express both have sensational
:45:23. > :45:30.allegations about Nigella Lawson that she was off her head every day
:45:31. > :45:35.for a decade. Saatchi's fury over the guilty secret, court is told.
:45:36. > :45:40.The Daily Express says that allegations that Nigella was off her
:45:41. > :45:43.head on cocaine, she took drugs daily for ten years, the court
:45:44. > :45:47.hears. That is all for tonight. We leave
:45:48. > :45:51.you with images from the latest exhibition of the National Maritime
:45:52. > :45:58.Museum, Turner and the Sea. Good night.