:00:09. > :00:18.If you live longer you will have to work longer, tomorrow the Chancellor
:00:19. > :00:22.of the Exchequer will I Austrailians nonce -- announce another rise in
:00:23. > :00:25.the able of those who collect a state pension. It won't happen for a
:00:26. > :00:31.while but it is already worrying today's pensioners. There are a lot
:00:32. > :00:34.of people you hear them say I want to retire in the next five years, I
:00:35. > :00:41.can't wait. Must be a horrible thing to look forward to, really. The
:00:42. > :00:50.people's peer accused of making off with ?600,000 of charity funds. To
:00:51. > :00:54.be accused by a charity of mitking them for ?625,000 that is breath
:00:55. > :00:58.taking. The MP who has told the world of his mental problems talks
:00:59. > :01:03.to us about what he hopes he has achieved. And the wounded soldiers
:01:04. > :01:17.who set off at lunchtime today to row the Atlantic.
:01:18. > :01:21.Now for how long should a person be expected to work for a living?
:01:22. > :01:24.According to well-placed sources the Chancellor of the Exchequer is going
:01:25. > :01:30.to suggest tomorrow that some of us aren't going to be entitled to a
:01:31. > :01:35.state pension until we're 69 or 70. That might not bother Bruce Forsyth,
:01:36. > :01:41.but it sure as hell will irk a lot of other people. Gorge will announce
:01:42. > :01:49.it in the Autumn Statement tomorrow. We have had something of what is
:01:50. > :01:55.inevitably called a "sneak preview". The out come years are not what they
:01:56. > :01:59.were, as the parade of older rockers still packing them in and putting on
:02:00. > :02:05.a show well past the state pension age shows. 60 is the new 40, or
:02:06. > :02:09.something like that. Chas and Dave, picking life on the tour bus over
:02:10. > :02:15.life with a bus pass. They have even got a new album out, it is called
:02:16. > :02:18.That's What Happens, if you are interested. It is according to what
:02:19. > :02:26.you do in life. Me and Dave have elected to do what we love doing any
:02:27. > :02:30.way and we would, if we weren't playing professionally we would be
:02:31. > :02:34.playing semiprofessionally doing exactly what we are doing. So we're
:02:35. > :02:40.lucky that we are doing something that we love to do and we get paid
:02:41. > :02:44.for it. There is a lot of people and you hear them talking, they can't
:02:45. > :02:47.wait until they retire, it must be a depressing thing to keep on saying
:02:48. > :02:51.that. There are a lot of people around that are living for the day
:02:52. > :02:56.when they retire. That's terrible for start. But I do feel sorry for
:02:57. > :03:02.them if they do put up the pension age. It will be, they are not going
:03:03. > :03:08.to find it very appealing. Back in 1945 a man aged 65 could expect to
:03:09. > :03:15.live another 12 years. A woman, slightly longer at 15, skip forward
:03:16. > :03:19.to people turning 65 in 2014 and men can expect to live another 22 years
:03:20. > :03:24.and women another 24, and the projections are going up. By 2043 it
:03:25. > :03:30.is expected men will live another 25 years and women another 28. I think
:03:31. > :03:34.we have really been living in a very unreal situation to imagine that
:03:35. > :03:39.more and more people could stop work at younger and younger ages and some
:03:40. > :03:44.how have enough money to live on or even be supported by a smaller
:03:45. > :03:49.number of younger people. That has just not been realistic. The process
:03:50. > :03:53.of increasing the state pension age was begun by the last Labour
:03:54. > :03:58.Government. They firstly introduced a timetable to equalise ages for men
:03:59. > :04:04.and women, and then ramp up that age, firstly to 66, then to 67, and
:04:05. > :04:09.68 over the coming decades. What the coalition did when they came in was
:04:10. > :04:12.accelerate that timetable. They have also introduced legislation that's
:04:13. > :04:18.going through parliament right now that would see a sort of automatic
:04:19. > :04:21.rise in state pension age as life expectancy increases. Roughly it
:04:22. > :04:26.means that we should spend two thirds of our adult life in work,
:04:27. > :04:31.around one third in retirement. The Chancellor is expected to announce
:04:32. > :04:35.one of those changes due to extra life expectancy tomorrow that the
:04:36. > :04:41.state pension age should go up to 69 from somewhere around the late
:04:42. > :04:46.2040s, but by then will an arbitary pension date mean anything at all? I
:04:47. > :04:51.think in five or ten years time, if you go to somebody who is, let as
:04:52. > :04:55.say having their 65th birthday, it will not be automatic that they will
:04:56. > :05:00.say, OK, I'm not going to work any more. There will be more of the how
:05:01. > :05:05.much work am I going to be doing, what kind of work might I be doing?
:05:06. > :05:09.Than oh, I have got my pension I'm not going to do anything. George
:05:10. > :05:14.Osborne discussing tomorrow's Autumn Statement with scientists, science
:05:15. > :05:17.research we are told will be getting more money as a result of that
:05:18. > :05:21.statement. The question how much will pushing up the state pension
:05:22. > :05:24.age affect the date at which George Osborne has to retire from being
:05:25. > :05:28.Chancellor? The Government's view is that voters will welcome and reward
:05:29. > :05:36.politicians for being straight with them. Here now is Alan Sugar's
:05:37. > :05:41.69-year-old right hand man, Hewer and Emma Soames editor at large from
:05:42. > :05:44.Saga magazine. This is obviously being driven by a financial need in
:05:45. > :05:49.the Treasury rather than it a question of being socially desirable
:05:50. > :05:53.s that wise, do you think? Let me tell you that I have looked into the
:05:54. > :05:58.subject very carefully, having made two documentaries with my friend
:05:59. > :06:03.Margaret Mountford about working into old age. I think that
:06:04. > :06:08.inevitably, let me tell you any new child born today will live, or a
:06:09. > :06:11.third of them will live to be 100, and any child born today by our
:06:12. > :06:15.estimates will not get a state pension until they are 77.
:06:16. > :06:22.Inevitably somebody has to pay for this. My argument, my strong belief
:06:23. > :06:26.and fury is that whilst you and I may well have been well paid and had
:06:27. > :06:29.enough money to set aside for our old age, there are many, many
:06:30. > :06:34.working men and women who haven't had that opportunity, and yet they
:06:35. > :06:38.were going to have to work so hard late into life that we have got to
:06:39. > :06:41.find a way whereby perhaps through taxation it is affordable. So the
:06:42. > :06:46.poor old young have to pay to support the old again. Their dads
:06:47. > :06:49.and their mums. What is your solution? Exactly, but the fact is
:06:50. > :06:54.that they are going to want to be able to work on. I think one of the
:06:55. > :06:58.great iniquities at the moment is that people are, you know, put on to
:06:59. > :07:03.the scrap heap of life, if you like at 65. When some of them would like
:07:04. > :07:09.to be, to work on. Some of them might, but if you are a builder's
:07:10. > :07:13.labourer, it is a different proposition at the age of 66 to 26?
:07:14. > :07:19.That is where the flexibility comes into it. But for the thousands and
:07:20. > :07:23.millions of desk jockies working on to 67, 68 right now is very
:07:24. > :07:27.desirable. Particularly when people dare to look at the pensions they
:07:28. > :07:33.have scraped together. Which with current interest rates is very
:07:34. > :07:40.minimal. Emma is right, and also in 10 or 20 years time advanced in
:07:41. > :07:45.health and medication and so forth, you know, one will be able to work
:07:46. > :07:54.longer. You are also right about the desk jockies as you call them,
:07:55. > :08:00.people who have had he issed dentary -- sedintary lives, my plea is for
:08:01. > :08:06.those ditch diggers, farm labourers, scaffolders, roofers, and in the
:08:07. > :08:14.programme we made for the BBC, we went up to Preston and looked at
:08:15. > :08:18.brick hairs up on the scaffolding up the ladders at age 74. As a
:08:19. > :08:24.civilised country we can't allow that. Presumably because they wanted
:08:25. > :08:28.to do that? No, because we tested it as a situation we invented it. Who
:08:29. > :08:33.would want their father at that age to be up on a roof in the snow in
:08:34. > :08:39.March or February. Do you think people have an en itlement to decide
:08:40. > :08:42.when they should stop supporting themselves then? That is a tricky
:08:43. > :08:47.question, it comes back to Emma's point about those people who have
:08:48. > :08:53.had a more easy life, like I or you have had in terms of the physicality
:08:54. > :08:58.of it? Given that people in physical occupations should certainly be
:08:59. > :09:03.allowed, but it should be sort of encouraged to retire earlier, but
:09:04. > :09:09.everybody else, you know, has got to earn the right to stop working. I'm
:09:10. > :09:14.of the last cohort of women who were able to stop work and pull a
:09:15. > :09:23.pension, a state pension when I was 60. My mother is 91. So let us
:09:24. > :09:28.assume that due to fabulous medicine I will probably live older than my
:09:29. > :09:34.mother. That means I will be pulling a state pension, or I could be for
:09:35. > :09:39.more than 30 years. I mean that is a big, big ask of any Government to
:09:40. > :09:45.support that. It is not Government it is your fellow citizens? Exactly.
:09:46. > :09:49.People have to pay taxes to keep old people alive? Exactly, what I'm
:09:50. > :09:54.saying is it has to go up. You mean the age at which the thing is paid?
:09:55. > :09:58.Exactly. What about my earlier question to Nick, which is have
:09:59. > :10:03.people got a right to decide that at some point in their older age they
:10:04. > :10:07.do not need to support themselves? Yeah, but then at that point I think
:10:08. > :10:15.they have got to recognise that they then will suffer financially. Right,
:10:16. > :10:18.if you were now say 25, 35 years old, how would you be living your
:10:19. > :10:23.life differently to the way that you lived it, do you think, when you
:10:24. > :10:28.were that age? I think putting money aside as furiously as possible in
:10:29. > :10:34.order to make provision for one's old age. I couldn't imagine being 40
:10:35. > :10:41.when I was younger and never mind 60, it happens? Did you not put
:10:42. > :10:44.money aside as a young man. No. I don't want pensions advice! I did
:10:45. > :10:48.because I would be horrified as a young man to think I was putting
:10:49. > :10:52.myself at risk. I think the young people have got to think my word I
:10:53. > :10:57.have to start making provision now, absolutely. The problem is hence
:10:58. > :11:04.pensions have had such a bad press with the cost of the administration,
:11:05. > :11:07.the scandals, the low interest rates, people think they would
:11:08. > :11:15.rather do anything other than put money into a pension. Real estate,
:11:16. > :11:19.their parents hopefully leaving them some money. They are certainly not
:11:20. > :11:26.looking at saving on a regular basis. On nearly the ex-continuity
:11:27. > :11:31.that they should. I think one of the big problems that currently we have
:11:32. > :11:35.is youngsters from what I hear in the papers are blowing their wage at
:11:36. > :11:40.the weekend because there is no point in trying to save up for that
:11:41. > :11:46.wretched deposit for instance, because houses are unaffordable. Who
:11:47. > :11:49.can lay your hands on ?40,000. They are unaffordable because old people
:11:50. > :11:57.keep on sitting in them, smugly watching their value increase I
:11:58. > :12:01.don't think so, it is because rich foreigners such as the Greeks and
:12:02. > :12:04.Chinese come in and buy up all the real estate. Or there is a shortage
:12:05. > :12:08.of real estate, whatever it is. The point is youngsters cannot lay their
:12:09. > :12:11.hands on the money therefore the thought of saving is completely
:12:12. > :12:15.foreign to them, they don't bother. Thank you very much both of you.
:12:16. > :12:19.With us now is staved Grossman, who is more of what -- David Grossman,
:12:20. > :12:24.who is more of what the Chancellor ordered. What is going to say
:12:25. > :12:29.tomorrow? The Treasury confidently predict that the Chancellor has a
:12:30. > :12:31.message that lays out an attractive story about how the economy is
:12:32. > :12:36.recovering and how they are looking it in. How they have done that by
:12:37. > :12:39.taking tough decision, tough decisions like raising the state
:12:40. > :12:44.pension age. There was some difficult news today that they got
:12:45. > :12:48.out early which is about cutting departmental spending. Non-protected
:12:49. > :12:52.departmental spending being cut even further, an extra billion pounds a
:12:53. > :12:56.year for the next three years, these are in unprotected departmental
:12:57. > :13:00.spending. Explain what that means? Some departments have been protected
:13:01. > :13:04.and will be protected from these cuts, like health, schools, aid,
:13:05. > :13:10.local Government, HMRC and the Security Services. That will hit, it
:13:11. > :13:13.will mean that places are hit will be the Home Office, the Department
:13:14. > :13:18.of Work and Pensions, the defence budget will be protected, we have
:13:19. > :13:21.given some leeway to carry forward underspending from previous years
:13:22. > :13:25.going forward. I should say that these savings, or these cuts are
:13:26. > :13:28.because the Treasury say that the department have been very good at
:13:29. > :13:33.saving money, and have underspent, and what they are going to do is
:13:34. > :13:38.lock those underspendings going forward and adding up to ?3 billion.
:13:39. > :13:43.Labour say it is warm words and no action on the economy, expect a big
:13:44. > :13:49.ding dong on all of this tomorrow. How can taking another ?3 billion
:13:50. > :13:54.out of the economy be nothing but warm words? Well, how can it be
:13:55. > :13:57.nothing other than warm words, what they are trying to say is the
:13:58. > :14:00.Government hasn't done nearly enough to get the economy moving in the
:14:01. > :14:06.direction it should be by this stage. Thank you very much. If you
:14:07. > :14:11.should find yourself given a seat in the House of Lords, you will be
:14:12. > :14:16.entitled to be addressed as the "Right Honourable Lord or Lady". One
:14:17. > :14:22.of these honourable figures is accused to helping himself to
:14:23. > :14:25.?600,000 of charity funds. He's Lord Bhatia, one of Tony Blair's called
:14:26. > :14:30."Peoples' Peers", he has already been suspended once from the House
:14:31. > :14:39.of Lords for a rather too free and easy approach to expenses. But this
:14:40. > :14:43.is different. This is Lord Bhatia OBE, one of the called "Peoples'
:14:44. > :14:47.Peers", introduced to the House of Lords by Tony Blair in 2001. A
:14:48. > :14:52.merchant banker, a million air strikes a philanthropist. But just
:14:53. > :14:56.three years ago he was caught up in the parliamentary expenses scandal,
:14:57. > :15:01.accused of fiddling the taxpayer out of tens of thousands of pounds by
:15:02. > :15:05.claiming for a second home he didn't live in. He was suspended from the
:15:06. > :15:11.House of Lords for eight months and had to repay ?27,000 to the public
:15:12. > :15:15.purse. BBC Newsnight has seen evidence suggesting that Lord Bhatia
:15:16. > :15:20.could once more be in trouble over abuse of his parliamentary expenses.
:15:21. > :15:24.But there is more. He also stands accused of allegedly mishandling
:15:25. > :15:31.hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of charity money to fund his
:15:32. > :15:38.own lifestyle. It is breath-taking. We're sadly used to expenses
:15:39. > :15:47.fiddling on what most people would think was a large scale in the
:15:48. > :15:55.Lords. But to be accused by a charity of milking them for
:15:56. > :16:00.?625,000, that is breath-taking. Could it really be that Lord Bhatia
:16:01. > :16:03.hadn't learned his lessons after his high-profile suspension from the
:16:04. > :16:08.House. To find out I had to get right inside the charity making the
:16:09. > :16:14.allegations, the Ethnic Minority Foundation, or EMF. The EMF brings
:16:15. > :16:18.in around a million pounds a year, mostly from its property portfolio,
:16:19. > :16:26.and usually spends it on good causes in India and in the UK. Former MP,
:16:27. > :16:31.John Barrett is a trustee, and became involved with EMF in 2012. He
:16:32. > :16:34.soon realised that all was not well. It looked like there was a cash
:16:35. > :16:37.crisis approaching, that shouldn't have been happening, because there
:16:38. > :16:43.should have been plenty of money in the bank. It became clear that far
:16:44. > :16:46.more mon had been going 0 out in the charity that could be -- going out
:16:47. > :16:51.of the charity that could be explained. I went to the charity's
:16:52. > :16:55.office to meet the man who first raised the alarm about the state of
:16:56. > :17:01.EMF's finances. Those miles are claimed here, you know. Chartered
:17:02. > :17:05.accountant here took over as treasurer in 2012? I asked the
:17:06. > :17:10.accountant to give me this and that, I see a transfer here and there, and
:17:11. > :17:16.I knew what was happening then, and I was shocked. My trust and respect
:17:17. > :17:22.for him as a Lord had withered away. Lord Bhatia had been chairman of the
:17:23. > :17:27.charity for ten years in an unpaid role until 2009. But when the
:17:28. > :17:30.charity's chief executive left to monitor its projects in India, Lord
:17:31. > :17:34.Bhatia said he would look after things in his absence. But Lord
:17:35. > :17:40.Bhatia's idea of looking after things was not what the trustees
:17:41. > :17:46.expected or sanctioned. He was using the charity to run his own really.
:17:47. > :17:50.That was wrong. That's not right. I mean I wouldn't claim anything at
:17:51. > :17:53.all, you know, from charity, even when I come here for mileage, I
:17:54. > :18:00.don't claim it, it is not necessarily. The trustees confronted
:18:01. > :18:06.Lord Bhatia in December last year, he immediately resigned. But they
:18:07. > :18:11.discovered major problems in the books, it was time to bring in a
:18:12. > :18:14.team of forensic accountants. It was only then the trustees became aware
:18:15. > :18:20.of the scale of the alleged mismanagement. The charity has
:18:21. > :18:24.passed a draft copy of the accountant's report to Newsnight.
:18:25. > :18:31.According to this Lord Bhatia owes EMF more than ?600,000. The thing
:18:32. > :18:34.they are most exercised about is having to foot the bill for Lord
:18:35. > :18:40.Bhatia's personal chauffeur. He was paid in excess of ?40,000 a year.
:18:41. > :18:45.But last January, Lord Bhatia wrote to him and enclosed a cheque in an
:18:46. > :18:51.apparent ?12,000 loan, yet on the same day awarded him a ?12,000 pay
:18:52. > :18:55.increase, effectively making it a gift from the charity. And he did
:18:56. > :19:00.this in the same week as asking the rest of the work force to take a
:19:01. > :19:04.voluntary pay cut. The for enIing accountant's report says this
:19:05. > :19:08.unauthorised gift to the driver could amount to theft by Lord
:19:09. > :19:12.Bhatia. Next the charity claim his contract of employment was never
:19:13. > :19:18.agreed by the board, was not even done on charity headed notepaper and
:19:19. > :19:23.is invalid. Its legitimacy is further challenged, since a letter
:19:24. > :19:27.enclosing the purports to be assigned by a chairman only assigned
:19:28. > :19:30.to that position six months after the letter was signed. Even if the
:19:31. > :19:36.contract is valid, the charity says the amount was excessive. It was a
:19:37. > :19:41.great shock to me to discover that Lord Bhatia was receiving a salary
:19:42. > :19:45.of ?100,000. It was greater shock to me to discover that his personal
:19:46. > :19:51.driver had been put on to the payroll of the charity. He is also
:19:52. > :19:55.said to have put a relative and long-term associate on the charity
:19:56. > :20:03.payroll, when they are alleged to have been his personal assistant,
:20:04. > :20:06.working solely for him. EMF once reimbursed medical costs for five
:20:07. > :20:10.members he charged to the charity. Add to that some other alleged
:20:11. > :20:15.inappropriate expense, many authorised by himself, contrary to
:20:16. > :20:24.the charity's policy and the grand total comes to ?625,961.
:20:25. > :20:29.Small scums and money, and in this -- small sums of money, and like in
:20:30. > :20:33.this case large sums of money, can save lives, to get clean water into
:20:34. > :20:38.a family home in India or Africa. To have someone treated against TB is
:20:39. > :20:42.worth doing and that's why I'm still involved, that is why I'm determined
:20:43. > :20:47.to stick with this. The charity is now engulfed in claim and counter
:20:48. > :20:53.claim. Lord Bhatia is suing for unfair dismissal and has launched
:20:54. > :20:57.separa proceedings against EMF to recover over ?250,000 which he says
:20:58. > :21:00.he loaned to the charity. The trustees say these were not
:21:01. > :21:07.loans but injections of cash to cover up the scale of his own
:21:08. > :21:11.mismanagement. Aside from the controversy over the alleged
:21:12. > :21:17.mishandling of charity funds, Lord Bhatia could yet find himself in yet
:21:18. > :21:20.more hot water. Documents seen by BBC Newsnight suggests that Lord
:21:21. > :21:28.Bhatia could once more stand accused of abusing his parliamentary
:21:29. > :21:34.expenses. During 2009 and 2010 Lord Bhatia was
:21:35. > :21:40.claiming his chauffeur-driven mileage expenses from the charity.
:21:41. > :21:46.These expense forms include a running total of the car mileage. If
:21:47. > :21:50.we take the 4th of February, for example, we can see the total
:21:51. > :21:56.mileage travelled that day was 80. This was claimed for and paid by the
:21:57. > :22:02.charity. But the problem is, if we look at his House of Lords expenses
:22:03. > :22:05.for that very same day, he's also submitted a claim for a 30-mile
:22:06. > :22:15.journey to Westminster. But this means he has been paid twice,
:22:16. > :22:19.because we know that day's full mileage has been paid by the
:22:20. > :22:24.charity. The records show Lord Bhatia appears to do this no fewer
:22:25. > :22:28.than 138 times. Resulting on payments from the tax-payers' purse
:22:29. > :22:35.of more than ?1500 that could have been claimed fraudulently. There can
:22:36. > :22:44.be no defence for claiming the same expenses from a charity and from the
:22:45. > :22:49.taxpayer. Lord Bhatia's alleged double claiming went on until July
:22:50. > :22:52.2010, just a few weeks before his suspension for flipping his second
:22:53. > :22:55.home. It didn't form part of the case against him back then. It is
:22:56. > :23:00.understood these allegations are being made for the first time. To be
:23:01. > :23:06.fair to Lord Bhatia, after he returned to his House of Lords
:23:07. > :23:12.suspension in 2011 and for the whole of 2012, he didn't claim any of his
:23:13. > :23:15.parliamentary allowances. But, following his acrimonious split from
:23:16. > :23:22.the charity in December last year, and his wages from there drying up
:23:23. > :23:27.as of January this year, he once more started claiming his daily
:23:28. > :23:32.announces from the taxpayer. Newsnight wanted to interview Lord
:23:33. > :23:35.Bhatia about the allegations but his lawyer said he was not able to,
:23:36. > :23:40.because of the pending court action. His lawyer also told us that Lord
:23:41. > :23:48.Bhatia believed the charity had mislead the BBC, that EMF, in fact,
:23:49. > :23:51.would hint a large sum of money and had benefitted from the use of
:23:52. > :23:57.facilities in the House of Lords. The lawyer said the story was an
:23:58. > :24:02.attempt to "to rereopen and confuse the historical published position
:24:03. > :24:07.with the present Government and Lord Bhatia and the EMF." The case has
:24:08. > :24:13.been reported by the charity to the national fraud agency, action fraud,
:24:14. > :24:18.while the charities commission told us they had an open case on EMF and
:24:19. > :24:22.was monitoring the situation. We invited Lord Bhatia on to the
:24:23. > :24:31.programme this evening to respond, guess what, he declined! As soon as
:24:32. > :24:36.you leave port and start rowing across an ocean you are on your own,
:24:37. > :24:38.you are immediately launched into a survival situation. If you go over
:24:39. > :24:45.board and are separated from the boat it is a death sentence. The
:24:46. > :24:48.clash in Kiev between a Government which favours Moscow and
:24:49. > :24:53.demonstrators wanting closer relations with Europe, seems no
:24:54. > :24:55.closer to resolution tonight. The American Secretary of State, John
:24:56. > :25:02.Kerry, waded in today, demanding that the people be allowed to decide
:25:03. > :25:06.their fate for themselves. The Ukraine's Government preferred to
:25:07. > :25:12.warn the demonstrators to mind their step. We have been watching the
:25:13. > :25:18.twoing and toing all day. The battle lines are drawn in Kiev,
:25:19. > :25:22.on one side the forces of the date, ranks of riot police protecting the
:25:23. > :25:26.President, and a Government that just turned its back on an EU
:25:27. > :25:31.partnership deal. On the other, the opposition, it is barricaded the
:25:32. > :25:36.streets in the centre of this city, and occupied some public buildings
:25:37. > :25:43.in an attempt to galvanise resistance globally to what they see
:25:44. > :25:48.as Russian domination. If you abandon this country they will have
:25:49. > :25:52.a new pearl line wall. This is the new reality in this wall. President
:25:53. > :25:58.Putin has the dream and everyone does and he has it, to restore the
:25:59. > :26:03.empire. We have another dream, Ukrainian people, to join the
:26:04. > :26:07.European Union. Last night the most important
:26:08. > :26:14.parliamentary opposition leader addressed the supporters in the
:26:15. > :26:18.square that has become the symbol of their revolt. Trying to oust the
:26:19. > :26:22.Government by a parliamentary vote he suggested it would be very easy
:26:23. > :26:27.to walk into the President's office. The opposition's dilemma now is how
:26:28. > :26:34.far to goad the authorities and risk being accused of incitment. Nearby,
:26:35. > :26:40.supporters of Occupy at the mayor's office, inside a constant Cummings
:26:41. > :26:44.and goings as well as anguished political debates, giving the idea
:26:45. > :26:49.of a revolution in process. This woman is 24 and works at the
:26:50. > :26:53.university, she summoned her civil society here by Facebook. Their
:26:54. > :27:31.discussion was about how to effect change It has taken us half an hour
:27:32. > :27:35.to negotiate our way through the police lines there. The truth is the
:27:36. > :27:39.protestors have declared their intention of seizing all kinds of
:27:40. > :27:42.Government buildings. So, they are just trying to stop that happening.
:27:43. > :27:48.And one of the key buildings is the parliament. Inside a debate was
:27:49. > :27:52.going on and a senior figure from the President's party of the regions
:27:53. > :27:56.was briefing the press on their formula for resolving this crisis.
:27:57. > :28:01.They don't rule out joining the EU in the future, but insist that first
:28:02. > :28:07.there is trade disputes to resolve with Russia. TRANSLATION: There is
:28:08. > :28:11.absolutely a prospect of revolving the crisis peacefully. The only
:28:12. > :28:14.thing is the opposition are not yet ready to compro-me we are ready to
:28:15. > :28:17.consider all options. For example the inclusion of the opposition in a
:28:18. > :28:23.Government to share responsibility for t situation in Ukraine, so when
:28:24. > :28:28.we take the step to eurointegration, we would all be ready to share the
:28:29. > :28:32.consequences of that decision. Including the first very difficult
:28:33. > :28:36.period. Outside were thousands of demonstrators who had got through
:28:37. > :28:42.the police lines. But they belonged to his and the President's party.
:28:43. > :28:46.That's the rub, this is not a level democratic playing field. The
:28:47. > :28:51.President's people have all sorts of advantages, and for the moment they
:28:52. > :28:57.are talking of compromise. The President's supporters are taking a
:28:58. > :29:02.line of moderation, and casting the opposition as dangerous wreckers who
:29:03. > :29:07.could rip this country party. Their calculation is that if they can
:29:08. > :29:13.avoid provocative acts of violence towards the protestors, slowly they
:29:14. > :29:20.will start to drift away as the Ukrainian winter bites. That leaves
:29:21. > :29:24.the opposition warning of the stresses between a pro-Russian
:29:25. > :29:30.eastern Ukraine and the west that would rather be with the west.
:29:31. > :29:36.Another scenario is to split the country and to make two Ukraines.
:29:37. > :29:42.That is what today was said to the speaker of the House, you
:29:43. > :29:44.underestimate the situation, it is not a fight between the Government
:29:45. > :29:47.and their position. It is not a fight of sharing the power and
:29:48. > :29:50.getting the office of the President. This is the fight for the future of
:29:51. > :29:55.this country. Whether this country will exist as an independent and
:29:56. > :29:59.sovereign state, or this will be a failed state. Deep pensions remain
:30:00. > :30:05.then, not least because the President may decide to clear these
:30:06. > :30:08.people from the centre of Kiev. For the moment he's winning the
:30:09. > :30:15.stand-off, and might squand at the by using force.
:30:16. > :30:20.-- squander it by using force. I have broken my arm but it won't stop
:30:21. > :30:24.me doing my job, it is so banal as a saying, but when an MP says I'm
:30:25. > :30:33.clinically depressed and I'm taking medication for it is another matter.
:30:34. > :30:38.The MP for Barrow in Furness has just made that statement, John
:30:39. > :30:44.Woodcock. It is not like the Mayor of Toronto admitting smoking crack
:30:45. > :30:48.cocaine and ranting, but for an MP to come out about mental illness is
:30:49. > :30:55.very unusual, and he has been praised by many for it. What made
:30:56. > :31:02.you make the statement? I feel slightly self-indulgent for talking
:31:03. > :31:06.to you. We invited you, it is fine. One in four people the mental health
:31:07. > :31:10.charities say have problems with mental health at points in their
:31:11. > :31:16.lives. Far fewer than one in four actually seek help. I only really
:31:17. > :31:22.thought I could take this step and go to a GP, ask for medication
:31:23. > :31:27.privately because of what some of my friends have done in parliament in
:31:28. > :31:31.recent months and years in saying that they have a problem. In opening
:31:32. > :31:35.up. So I thought well if I'm going to do this I should just be open and
:31:36. > :31:38.honest in the way that I am if I have a scrape, if I fall off a
:31:39. > :31:44.ladder which started this whole thing or whatever. I would say if I
:31:45. > :31:48.have a physical injury, I ought to treat a mental illness in the same
:31:49. > :31:52.way. What is what has been the reaction? Overwhelming today.
:31:53. > :31:59.Supportive? Really lovely. Lots of people in the constituency, on
:32:00. > :32:03.Twitter and Facebook saying nice things. People in parliament coming
:32:04. > :32:08.over and saying well done. I'm sure there will be people up in Barrow
:32:09. > :32:13.who are concerned about it. And you just need to say to them well I feel
:32:14. > :32:22.I can do the job. I'm making a decent fist of it at the moment I
:32:23. > :32:28.think. This is about me wanting to get better and I want more people.
:32:29. > :32:31.We should see treatment as a way of actually overcoming issues rather
:32:32. > :32:33.than flagging up a problem and everyone being worried about it.
:32:34. > :32:39.This is depression we are talking about. Some forms of depression are
:32:40. > :32:44.so bad you can hardly get out of bed. If you can't get out of bed you
:32:45. > :32:49.can't represent constituents can you? I think like any illness, it
:32:50. > :32:54.will affect people in different ways. If it is really bad, then I
:32:55. > :32:59.hope we can get to a point where more people can be onest about it
:33:00. > :33:03.and them seek help. I am blessed, I'm blessed to do the job that I do,
:33:04. > :33:10.I'm blessed that I can still do it despite what I have got. Even if it
:33:11. > :33:14.were, if it were worse than it was I would still want to go and seek
:33:15. > :33:19.help. I would like to think that more people could be open. If we
:33:20. > :33:21.could remove the stigma still lingering around mental health
:33:22. > :33:26.problems, then I think more and more people will be able to feel that
:33:27. > :33:32.they don't have to be silent about this, suffer at home. Not even talk
:33:33. > :33:35.to their family often, which so many people have been coming up today and
:33:36. > :33:42.saying I have had this but I can't say. If they normalise it, will make
:33:43. > :33:45.a difference. You mentioned one in four people having a mental health
:33:46. > :33:49.problem in the average year. That means there is well over 150 MPs who
:33:50. > :33:51.are probably in that situation doesn't it, if they are
:33:52. > :33:57.representative of the people as a whole. Yet what you have done is
:33:58. > :34:01.really unusual? I'm not the first, Kevin Jones, Charles Walker talked
:34:02. > :34:06.about mental health problems in the chamber. Alastair Campbell has said
:34:07. > :34:11.a lot about it. I don't think we should be in a position where you
:34:12. > :34:15.have to fess up. At times in the past when people have tried to force
:34:16. > :34:20.it out and spread rumours. If people want to keep this this is a private
:34:21. > :34:25.thing, it is right and they should be able to do so. I hope more
:34:26. > :34:28.people, even if they are doing it privately and they are struggling
:34:29. > :34:34.that you will try to get help and get yourselves better. Is there a
:34:35. > :34:38.particular problem about being open about this when you are a politician
:34:39. > :34:49.and you can't really show weakness? I think that has been an issue,
:34:50. > :34:53.clearly. I'm reading the biography of Lyndon Baines Johnson, and it
:34:54. > :34:58.talked about how after his heart attack, he was depressed and took
:34:59. > :35:02.pills back then, there was no way he was going into that. That has been a
:35:03. > :35:07.thing. We have so often said, rightly and understandable, you are
:35:08. > :35:13.not real you have just got this image which we don't believe you. I
:35:14. > :35:16.have decided to say what is happening in my life and people have
:35:17. > :35:25.to make a judgment on that now and in the election, I guess. The
:35:26. > :35:30.celebrity cook Nigella Lawson admitted in court today that she had
:35:31. > :35:35.taken cocaine but smoked marijuana but not addicted and that her
:35:36. > :35:38.ex-husband, Charles Saatchi was trying to blacken her name by
:35:39. > :35:43.suggesting a drug problem. The issue in the case is whether their
:35:44. > :35:46.assistants defrauded the glamorous couple has been completely
:35:47. > :35:53.overshadowed the evidence it has given into their lives. This report
:35:54. > :35:58.contains some flash photography. Nigella Lawson had predicted that
:35:59. > :36:02.she would be on trial. Although appears as a witness, the life and
:36:03. > :36:12.marriage of the TV cook was certainly under the microscope, in
:36:13. > :36:16.the not very Nigella surroundings of Isleworth Crown Court. Journalists
:36:17. > :36:21.from here and around the world found themselves privvy to a lifestyle of
:36:22. > :36:26.extravagant spending, and what Miss Lawson described as "intimate
:36:27. > :36:31.terrorism". Earlier this year her ex-husband, Charles Saatchi was
:36:32. > :36:35.pictured with hand to her face. He told everyone that he was taking
:36:36. > :36:43.cocaine out of her nose, but really he was demanding her attention.
:36:44. > :36:50.The art collector said he still adored his ex-wife when he gave
:36:51. > :36:52.evidence last week. She lost no time today in accusing him of bullying
:36:53. > :37:10.her. He In fact, two former personal
:37:11. > :37:13.assistants, on the left here, sisters Elisabetta Grillo and
:37:14. > :37:22.Francesca Grillo are on trial. Accused of defrauding Mr Saatchi of
:37:23. > :37:27.?600,000, allegations they deny. In sometimes testy exchanges, the
:37:28. > :37:32.defence barrister asked Miss Lawson had her background conflicted with
:37:33. > :37:41.her husband's. She replied she didn't know why her marriage was so
:37:42. > :37:45.pertinently to her. He asked was her marriage Endeaning unfortunately.
:37:46. > :37:50.She said not unfortunately. Known to her many fans as the domestic
:37:51. > :37:54.goddess, Nigella Lawson painted a very different picture of her home
:37:55. > :38:00.life today. She said it was intimate terrorism. And this had led her to
:38:01. > :38:05.use cocaine and cannabis. I have never been a drug addict or habitual
:38:06. > :38:10.user, I did not have a drug problem, I had a life problem. The court
:38:11. > :38:15.heard extraordinary details of domestic life chez Saatchi, how the
:38:16. > :38:21.art elector preferred to use cash, and kept a huge stash of it on a
:38:22. > :38:28.clear zip-up bag on top of the fridge. How he picked up the tab
:38:29. > :38:34.when one of Miss Lawson's assistants held a wedding reception at the
:38:35. > :38:41.Saatchi Gallery, and how she could expect to catch a cab to her
:38:42. > :38:46.father's house to do the cleaning. Miss Lawson called her ex-husband as
:38:47. > :38:49.brilliant but beautiful and not the most reliable witness. She's due to
:38:50. > :38:55.face further cross-examination tomorrow.
:38:56. > :38:59.Very soon most of us will be going to bed, for four men, somewhere in
:39:00. > :39:02.the eastern Atlantic though, it will be a pretty makeshift affair, and
:39:03. > :39:06.they will have nothing else to look forward to for the best part of
:39:07. > :39:10.another couple of months. They set off at lunchtime today, to row
:39:11. > :39:15.across the Atlantic. Others have done it before, of course, but none
:39:16. > :39:27.of these four, all four are serving sold yurts, two of them are reseal
:39:28. > :39:33.wounded. We have -- severely wounded.
:39:34. > :39:36.As soon as you leave port and you are immediately launched into a
:39:37. > :39:41.survival situation. If you go overboard and you are separated from
:39:42. > :39:53.the boat, it is a death sentence. It is 3,000 miles of ocean, in a very
:39:54. > :39:57.small boat. It was from the island of La Gomera that Christopher
:39:58. > :40:04.Columbus first set sail for the Americas five centuries ago. His
:40:05. > :40:10.route will be followed by 16 teams of rowers competing in the Atlantic
:40:11. > :40:14.Chap Epping Race. We will go through some safety procedures at night as
:40:15. > :40:18.well, that will be things like having our life jackets on, always
:40:19. > :40:22.wearing them at night. The crews are likely to be rowing around the clock
:40:23. > :40:28.for at least 40 days. This team of four British soldiers, all veterans
:40:29. > :40:35.of the Afghan war, could well find it especially tough. The Lance
:40:36. > :40:40.Corporal was severely wounded on patrol. We were ambushed, close to
:40:41. > :40:43.the enemy and moving down an irrigation ditch. There was an
:40:44. > :40:48.obstruction, a number of trees in the ditch, which forced us to push
:40:49. > :40:52.out of the ditch anden to dry land again. If it is getting too tight we
:40:53. > :40:56.will have to get out. Two of my mates got out and moved forwards,
:40:57. > :41:05.and nothing happened, I was the third man in patrol. I initiated the
:41:06. > :41:13.devaricose immediately losing both of my leg, the fingers on my left
:41:14. > :41:18.hand and a large part of my face. That he is a double amputee. I was
:41:19. > :41:22.conscious throughout the whole incident. I remember the guys
:41:23. > :41:25.talking to me, the searing pain. You're all right mate, you are going
:41:26. > :41:31.to be fine, you're good, you're good. All you want to do is scream,
:41:32. > :41:35.at the same time that is no way to die screaming in the mud. I saw the
:41:36. > :41:39.state I was in, and you immediately kind of wonder, you know, what now?
:41:40. > :41:44.What happens next? You can only trust the guys that are with you to
:41:45. > :41:48.do the best they can, but when you see yourself in that kind of state
:41:49. > :41:51.you don't really have much hope. Cayle had barely finished his rehab
:41:52. > :41:57.when he started training for this. He and the rest of the team aren't
:41:58. > :42:02.just facing a gruelling journey but a dangerous one. There are many
:42:03. > :42:07.ngers at sea, a number of shipping lanes cross our route. There is a
:42:08. > :42:11.realistic chance to get hit by the tankers. Dangerous weather system,
:42:12. > :42:17.tropical storms, Atlantic low pressure, schools, very large wave,
:42:18. > :42:23.30, 40-foot waves created by the trade wins. What is the first thing
:42:24. > :42:29.to do when someone falls in the water. Shout "man overboard".
:42:30. > :42:33.??FORCEDWHI Very unlikely it turn the boat around to pick someone up
:42:34. > :42:37.because of the big sea, if the swells are big you will get carried
:42:38. > :42:42.away from the boat, and trying to find you is like a needle in the
:42:43. > :42:49.haystack. Don't fall off the boat and make sure you stay lipped on.
:42:50. > :42:54.Corporal Scott lost his leg in Afghanistan in 2007, also as a
:42:55. > :42:57.result of an IED. I'm doing it for the guys, the personal friends I
:42:58. > :43:02.have lost, the guys more severely injured than me, and people who have
:43:03. > :43:07.lost loved ones. It is, I think people look at it and go, wow, these
:43:08. > :43:10.guys are soldiering on. What he and the rest of the crew have been
:43:11. > :43:16.trying to prepare themselves for is not just the monotony, but how four
:43:17. > :43:20.grown men are supposed to exist in such a tiny space. I suppose in way
:43:21. > :43:26.it helps missing a leg, because there is a bit more room in there,
:43:27. > :43:31.but it is probably, I can't stretch my arms out and I can probably just
:43:32. > :43:37.managed to get my shoulders in there, it is probably that small.
:43:38. > :43:41.Stuffed inside the boat's hatches are pacts of freeze-dried food,
:43:42. > :43:45.parentally there will be room on deck for a gas burner to cook on,
:43:46. > :43:50.don't ask where. As for answering the all of nature there is at least
:43:51. > :43:54.a choice. Pick your spot, you can have the deluxe or ultimate deluxe,
:43:55. > :44:05.it is up to you. It is over the side or in one of the buckets behind you.
:44:06. > :44:08.So exsummation -- exhaustion, claustraphobia and no privacy, no
:44:09. > :44:12.wonder the team is concerned about how well they will get on. What
:44:13. > :45:24.keeps me awake is how we will get on as a team and make it Now the
:45:25. > :46:08.papers: That's all from us tonight, Kirsty
:46:09. > :46:09.will be here,