:00:09. > :00:14.Tonight, why is the membership of the Conservative Party falling
:00:15. > :00:18.through the floor, and without adequate members, does it make the
:00:19. > :00:24.next election unwinnable on the doorsteps? I think the Conservative
:00:25. > :00:28.Party are out on their own for the better off but not the poorer. When
:00:29. > :00:33.a right-wing commentator like Simon Heffer looks at the state of the
:00:34. > :00:37.party, he needs a stiff drink. A few Tory MPs agree. I think there has
:00:38. > :00:41.long been a disconnect between Central Office and the voluntary
:00:42. > :00:45.parties. I'm not sure Central Office holds the opinions of the voluntary
:00:46. > :00:49.party in the highest regard. If only I could make this message go viral.
:00:50. > :00:55.After Scarlett Johansson discovers you can't have it all and chooses
:00:56. > :01:13.Sodatream over Oxfam, we talk to the man who pays the piper and to the
:01:14. > :01:21.charity which got the boot. Oot. Facebook turns ten, will the first
:01:22. > :01:27.ten be much like the first. Fewer and fewer people seem
:01:28. > :01:30.interested in politics, as Russell Brand has already told us. They are
:01:31. > :01:33.all the same is the repeated complaint, the difficulty is no
:01:34. > :01:38.political party can have that belief gain ground because the whole point
:01:39. > :01:42.of elections, and there will be one next year, is they are built on a
:01:43. > :01:45.choice. Everybody party has a problem with membership, but the
:01:46. > :01:49.Conservatives, who could once muster an enormous army of individual
:01:50. > :01:53.members have a particular problem. Membership has almost halved, for
:01:54. > :02:03.example, since David Cameron became leader. Heffer, a long -- Simon
:02:04. > :02:09.Heffer a long time observer and reporter explains. This report
:02:10. > :02:11.contains flash photography. # I'm walking
:02:12. > :02:16.# Yes indeed # I'm talking
:02:17. > :02:20.# I'm hoping It is still 15 months away from the
:02:21. > :02:26.next general election, but already Halifax candidate Phil and his team
:02:27. > :02:32.are pounding the doorstep, trying to persuade people to vote blue when
:02:33. > :02:37.the time comes. The Conservatives nationally are pursuing what they
:02:38. > :02:41.call a 40-40 strategy, to hold their 40 most marginal seats and to win a
:02:42. > :02:45.further 40 from other parties. Halifax is 18th on the target list.
:02:46. > :02:51.But even here the party no longer has an office in the constituency,
:02:52. > :02:56.which makes it tough for candidates such as Phil. What condition is your
:02:57. > :03:01.association in Halifax, how big is your membership? The membership is
:03:02. > :03:06.not huge. The membership pretty much mirrors from what I can see across
:03:07. > :03:12.West Yorkshire and beyond. But what we do have is a dedicated team of
:03:13. > :03:17.activists. But it is a compact team and in an ideal world everybody
:03:18. > :03:21.could do with another 20 canvassers. One of the things the Conservative
:03:22. > :03:25.Party has to look at is making it more attractive to be a party
:03:26. > :03:30.member. This was Mrs Thatcher's first campaign sortie into the
:03:31. > :03:34.north. The seat was last won by the Conservatives at the 1983 election,
:03:35. > :03:38.in the landslide that followed an unapologetic campaign by Margaret
:03:39. > :03:41.Thatcher. A shopkeeper's daughter from the East Midlands, who didn't
:03:42. > :03:48.believe working-class areas were off limits. David Cameron's appeal to
:03:49. > :03:52.the same constituency has been less instinctive. He promised to
:03:53. > :03:56.rebalance the economy, to cause a recovery for all, north and south.
:03:57. > :04:02.But he has struggled to shake off the "posh boy" image of Eton and the
:04:03. > :04:16.Bullingdon club and to relate more naturally to working-class people.
:04:17. > :04:21.What goes into it, OK oregano? No. Some Halifax voters seem to regard
:04:22. > :04:24.the Conservative leadership as if from another planet. David Cameron
:04:25. > :04:27.says the country is having an economic recovery and it is not just
:04:28. > :04:31.in the south-east of England, have you seen much evidence of this
:04:32. > :04:34.recovery in Halifax? No. Have things got better over the last four or
:04:35. > :04:39.five years here? No, I think the Conservative Party are out for their
:04:40. > :04:42.own, for the better off, but not for the poorer, not for the poor
:04:43. > :04:46.families. There is people in Halifax the kids are starving, there is food
:04:47. > :04:51.banks, there has never been food banks before. Is there anything that
:04:52. > :04:55.would make you Conservative? At the moment I'm anti-voting full stop.
:04:56. > :05:00.However some people are much more willing to engage with the political
:05:01. > :05:05.process. What is your issue Sir? It is the amount of dog excrement. In
:05:06. > :05:10.the end Phil's hard work pays off. Do we have your support at all? I
:05:11. > :05:20.have always voted Conservative. That will do for me, thank you very much.
:05:21. > :05:23.The stories really ought to win Halifax if they are to form a
:05:24. > :05:27.majority Government, they will have to hold seats where they are
:05:28. > :05:32.vulnerable, such as Thurrock, where Jacky Doyle Price has a majority of
:05:33. > :05:36.just 92. We caught up with her in her Thames side constituency, while
:05:37. > :05:41.she was meeting the port of London authority. One issue in particular
:05:42. > :05:45.has caused her problems. The issue with same-sex marriage is it upset a
:05:46. > :05:51.lot of traditional voters, so lots of Conservatives were very unhappy
:05:52. > :05:55.about it. Ultimately, you know, we're elected, we have to do the
:05:56. > :05:59.right thing, in the end I voted against the third reading. Even
:06:00. > :06:03.though she's out pounding the pavements every weekend, Jackie
:06:04. > :06:06.feels handicapped because the uniformity of today's politicians
:06:07. > :06:12.leaves the electorate with little apparent choice. If you go back to
:06:13. > :06:16.1980s, when I was becoming politically aware, politics was
:06:17. > :06:20.exciting, it was about ideas, you know. There was a distinct
:06:21. > :06:24.difference between the approach of Michael Foot and Margaret Thatcher.
:06:25. > :06:28.We need ideas for them to get excited about. In some respects this
:06:29. > :06:32.is where UKIP have found some success. If there is one thing the
:06:33. > :06:37.Brits will get excited about is Europe, we all hate it. So they have
:06:38. > :06:43.got a very rich place to attract people. Meanwhile, elsewhere in
:06:44. > :07:04.Thurrock UKIP are plotting Jacky's downfall. . This This champion darts
:07:05. > :07:09.player is UKIP's representative in Thurrock. He thinks he will score a
:07:10. > :07:13.bullseye here. I'm sure you have been involved in political
:07:14. > :07:16.espionage, what does your intelligence tell us about the state
:07:17. > :07:20.of the Conservative Party here? It has been in decline for many years.
:07:21. > :07:24.They got rid of their ward associations in the last decade.
:07:25. > :07:30.They can't fight elections without calling in help from other branches,
:07:31. > :07:34.other regions. We now have teams out regularly every weekend. We can
:07:35. > :07:41.outman them. We are getting people out to vote who when faced with
:07:42. > :07:50.Liberty-Lal-Con, they think they will stay in and watch the pub and
:07:51. > :07:54.off to the pub. Now they think they can change the country. The
:07:55. > :08:00.Conservatives used to be a mass movement party. When Winston
:08:01. > :08:08.Churchill was leader they had two. Eight million members. In 2005 when
:08:09. > :08:22.David Cameron became leader it had fallen to 250,000 members. In 2013
:08:23. > :08:26.lax year, it -- last year, it had lapsed to 134,000. I get the
:08:27. > :08:29.impression that the people who run the Conservative Party don't seem to
:08:30. > :08:32.find very much that there has been such a decline in the mass
:08:33. > :08:37.membership? I think there has long been a disconnect between Central
:08:38. > :08:41.Office and the voluntary parties. I'm not sure Central Office holds
:08:42. > :08:44.the opinions of the voluntary party in the highest regard, I think this
:08:45. > :08:48.is a pity. I think the voluntary party is the essence of
:08:49. > :08:53.Conservatism. That we are a party that is built up from the localities
:08:54. > :08:59.rather than top down. I'm interested you talk about the disconnect, we
:09:00. > :09:03.have seen in the last two days two Tory MPs deselected, Anne Mackintosh
:09:04. > :09:07.and Tim Yeo, it seems where there is a vibrant association it is an
:09:08. > :09:10.association determined not to take orders from Central Office or the
:09:11. > :09:13.Prime Minister? I don't think it is helpful when the hierarchy
:09:14. > :09:18.interconvience in local selections. In my own case Central Office was
:09:19. > :09:21.very keen to stop me being selected. Actually I think every time they
:09:22. > :09:29.said not to have me my support locally went up. Jacob Rees-Mogg is
:09:30. > :09:35.right, the disconnect between the Tory leadership and their grassroots
:09:36. > :09:40.is profound. Moon while UKIP are deeply determined and fielding an
:09:41. > :09:43.expanding number of foot soldiers. The end of the Conservatives as a
:09:44. > :09:48.mass movement could sabotage the party's chances, not just of winning
:09:49. > :09:51.its target seats, but holding some it already has. By ignoring the
:09:52. > :10:00.importance of their activists they could be making a fatal error. With
:10:01. > :10:04.us now to discuss all of this is the very Simon Heffer you saw there, and
:10:05. > :10:08.the former Chief Whip, Andrew Mitchell. You can't win the next
:10:09. > :10:12.election if this picture is replicated across the land? I think
:10:13. > :10:16.that the lack of boots on the ground, if you hike, is something
:10:17. > :10:20.which a-- if you like, is something that afflicts all political party.
:10:21. > :10:23.UKIP are pick up boots on the ground as shown in Simon's film. It is
:10:24. > :10:28.important to recognise that the nature of campaigning is changing
:10:29. > :10:31.quite a lot. For example the Conservative Party contact speaks to
:10:32. > :10:37.hundreds of thousands of people every week by e-mail. You know we
:10:38. > :10:41.have an enormous database of people who we contact. You have team 2015
:10:42. > :10:46.which is designed to deal with the marginal seats, already got 4,000
:10:47. > :10:50.people signed up to it. There is a broader way of campaigning too. What
:10:51. > :10:56.do you make of the argument that you can remedy the shortfall in active
:10:57. > :11:00.members, digitally. I have yet to find an internet website that will
:11:01. > :11:08.drive an old lady to a polling station. Jacob Rees-Mogg didn't say
:11:09. > :11:11.on camera but he told me off camera because he didn't have time, he
:11:12. > :11:15.talked to a professor of sociology who had taken a survey of people who
:11:16. > :11:20.had been asked on the doorstep to go and vote. Not for any particular
:11:21. > :11:25.party, but to go and vote. And in the wards where people were asked to
:11:26. > :11:29.go and vote to turn up was up by 7%. So it is clear, I think, by any
:11:30. > :11:35.academic studies that actually going on to a doorstep, knocking on a door
:11:36. > :11:38.and engaging with a voter gets them out to a polling station. That is
:11:39. > :11:43.very important, but the point you make about people driving elderly
:11:44. > :11:48.people to the polls, I mean that is one of the reason why there has been
:11:49. > :11:52.a tremendous number of postal vote, to stop people being inconvienced in
:11:53. > :11:55.that way, if they want to use the opportunity of the postal vote. I
:11:56. > :12:00.think the nature of campaigning has changed. I don't deny that banging
:12:01. > :12:03.on doors is essential, we all do it much of the time. But I think we
:12:04. > :12:07.need to recognise that the Conservative Party is in touch with
:12:08. > :12:10.probably more people than Churchill's Conservative Party was,
:12:11. > :12:13.in spite of the much bigger membership at that time. You would
:12:14. > :12:18.accept, Simon, it is not a normal thing to do to join a political
:12:19. > :12:21.party is it? Not any more, no. But people are joining UKIP, and in many
:12:22. > :12:25.of these target seats that the Conservatives have, and in many of
:12:26. > :12:31.the seats they have to hold, UKIP are a very important force, they are
:12:32. > :12:35.not necessarily the opposition, but they have the capacity to remove
:12:36. > :12:38.large chunk of people who voted Conservative in 2010, or who might
:12:39. > :12:43.be considering voting Conservative, and to UKIP they behave in a very
:12:44. > :12:47.traditional way, they have boots on the ground, people canvassing every
:12:48. > :12:50.weekend in place like Thurrock, knocking on doors, asking people to
:12:51. > :12:53.support them when the next election comes. That is what the Conservative
:12:54. > :12:56.Party is up against. That is what you are up begins. You have got to
:12:57. > :13:00.try to counter that very traditional thing, which people still like. They
:13:01. > :13:04.like the personal contact of a candidate on the doorstep. We
:13:05. > :13:08.certainly have a lot of work to do but in the end many people in UKIP
:13:09. > :13:12.are our cousins, we want them back. We need to persuade them that the
:13:13. > :13:18.way to get the referendum, in-out Reverend dumb in 2017 is to vote --
:13:19. > :13:21.referendum in 2017 is to vote Conservative. It is the only way to
:13:22. > :13:28.achieve T I'm pretty confident between now and the general election
:13:29. > :13:32.that point will register a lot with those flirting with UKIP at this
:13:33. > :13:36.time. If you want the referendum a Conservative vote will deliver it.
:13:37. > :13:39.You will have to end up in the same sort of mechanism that the Labour
:13:40. > :13:43.Party has got itself in to, different types of membership, you
:13:44. > :13:47.will have to start fudging things hike that won't you? We already have
:13:48. > :13:52.some different relation. You are already fudging! If you look at the
:13:53. > :13:55.figure, Simon's figure is not comparable with the figures for the
:13:56. > :14:00.Liberal Democrats and Labour. The comparable figure is something like
:14:01. > :14:03.174,000. And over recent weeks I gather from Central Office the
:14:04. > :14:08.figures haven't yet been audited. Over recent weeks and months we have
:14:09. > :14:12.seen our membership increase by several thousand. It is not static
:14:13. > :14:16.situation. It is still pretty rubbish in comparison with what it
:14:17. > :14:19.was. We have these alternative mechanisms, in terms of the number
:14:20. > :14:23.of people the Conservative Party is talking to, it is now probably more
:14:24. > :14:27.than it was in the time Simon was mentioned in Churchill's day. Are
:14:28. > :14:30.you persuaded? No I'm not. One reason we went to Halifax, although
:14:31. > :14:36.Phil was a very engaging candidate. We wanted to go to Morley and
:14:37. > :14:40.Outwood, that is Ed Balls's seat, it is the 11th most vulnerable seat for
:14:41. > :14:45.the Tories. The chairman agreed to speak to us, and at the last minute
:14:46. > :14:49.rang the producer and said they didn't want to do it between now and
:14:50. > :14:54.the election. From the inquiries I made there isn't really an
:14:55. > :14:57.association in that area. In the 11th most vulnerable seat you have
:14:58. > :15:01.got to try to win and the seat with Ed Balls in it, who is an enormous
:15:02. > :15:04.scalp for your party. If you haven't an organisation there, if you are
:15:05. > :15:10.not prepared to talk to the media about a your campaign there. 15
:15:11. > :15:15.months outside an election, that seems unconvincing about the nature
:15:16. > :15:24.of the campaign you hope to fight for that seat. . You saw Jackie
:15:25. > :15:30.there an outstanding candidate who will be re-elected I'm sure. It is a
:15:31. > :15:34.different part of the country? Team 2015 with the 4,000 members already,
:15:35. > :15:39.more people recruited all the time, will certainly be visiting Ed
:15:40. > :15:42.Balls's constituency, and will join what by then will be quite a big
:15:43. > :15:52.team of people who will be working there for the Conservative interest.
:15:53. > :15:58.This is your first outing since plebgate... On Newsnight. Very nice
:15:59. > :16:05.to have you. Slut ask David Cameron for a job back in the cabinet? No,
:16:06. > :16:09.not a question of it, those are his sorts of decisions. You were
:16:10. > :16:12.unfairly deprived of it? Yes I was, but I hope to play a role in winning
:16:13. > :16:22.the next election which we have been talking about. So you would like a
:16:23. > :16:26.job back in cabinet. I would like a job in front line politics. What has
:16:27. > :16:29.this whole fair done to your view of the police? I think it is important
:16:30. > :16:40.to recognise that the vast majority of police do a brilliant a brilliant
:16:41. > :16:43.job. We need to make sure there is reform in the police so everyone can
:16:44. > :16:47.have confidence. That is what the police want to see as well. I hope
:16:48. > :16:51.to play a modest part in ensuring that those reforms come into play.
:16:52. > :16:56.Not just to protect citizens but the reputation of the police. Quite hard
:16:57. > :17:00.to look at a policeman after your experience and wonder if he's going
:17:01. > :17:06.to tell the truth, isn't it? I know quite well the police in Sutton
:17:07. > :17:11.Coldfield, they do an excellent job. Those are the police I think about
:17:12. > :17:17.when I think about the police in our country.
:17:18. > :17:21.Coming up. # You move like the wind
:17:22. > :17:25.# The way you put it on the floor # I give you my ring
:17:26. > :17:29.# I want to give the round of applause
:17:30. > :17:34.# I like the way you rule. If you were watching last night you would
:17:35. > :17:39.have seen the bizarre tale of the UK Independence Party spokesman, who it
:17:40. > :17:43.seems spent some time as the ringleader of a kidnap gang in
:17:44. > :17:47.Pakistan. Today we have seen documents that show Mujeed Bhutto
:17:48. > :17:52.had an active role in the Conservative Party before joining
:17:53. > :17:56.UKIP. This is all about this man, Mujeed Bhutto, UKIP's Commonwealth
:17:57. > :18:03.spokesman for the last year or so. Making some high-profile appearances
:18:04. > :18:09.on national TV and radio. We were reporting back in 2005, using a
:18:10. > :18:15.slitly different -- slightly different name. He was convicted in
:18:16. > :18:20.terms of a complex kidnapping case involving a person in Pakistan and
:18:21. > :18:24.spent some time in jail. The focus was on UKIP yesterday now it has
:18:25. > :18:29.switched to the Conservatives. Two months after his release he had
:18:30. > :18:36.joined the Tories. The Conservative chairman was asked about his role in
:18:37. > :18:41.the party. Member of the Conservative Party in 2008, he paid
:18:42. > :18:46.one year, left and joined UKIP. I should just add, for completeness,
:18:47. > :18:50.he attempted to rejoin the party last week after having been the UKIP
:18:51. > :18:55.spokesman. Because he's a spokesman for another party we rejected that
:18:56. > :18:59.application. Have you managed to speak to Mr Bhutto? We spoke to him
:19:00. > :19:04.this afternoon. He's adamant he was active in the Conservative Party for
:19:05. > :19:08.much longer than a single year as Mr Shapps of suggesting there. We have
:19:09. > :19:11.seen this invitation he was sent to an event by the local Tory
:19:12. > :19:15.association in Leeds, after the 2010 election. So at least a year after
:19:16. > :19:19.Mr Shapps was suggesting he left the party. Then there was this slightly
:19:20. > :19:23.strange attempt to rejoin the Conservatives by Mr Bhutto earlier
:19:24. > :19:27.this year. Mr Shapps said they rejected that approach. Mr Bhutto
:19:28. > :19:32.said he has never been told he cannot join. He was sent this e-mail
:19:33. > :19:43.from a local deputy Party Chairman in Yorkshire. Saying, ":
:19:44. > :19:48.There is a real confusion about his role with the Tories. The
:19:49. > :19:52.Conservatives saying even if he was a member or activist he was never a
:19:53. > :19:56.spokesman or on TV representing the party, as he was with UKIP. That is
:19:57. > :20:00.the key difference they say here. Now the script might have been
:20:01. > :20:05.written by a satirist, a fizzy drink, a glamorous actress and
:20:06. > :20:10.highly charged political issue. Scarlett Johansson's attempt to
:20:11. > :20:17.reconcile her position as an ambassador of Oxfam, and truesering
:20:18. > :20:21.a lot of money from a company called Sodastream didn't take long, a girl
:20:22. > :20:26.has to eat. Hello American football fans with her appearance in a
:20:27. > :20:31.commercial for a company which manufacturerses in the occupied --
:20:32. > :20:38.manufactures in the occupied West Bank. Hollywood film star, Oxfam
:20:39. > :20:43.ambassador and Sodastream girl. This week the actress found you can't
:20:44. > :20:48.have it all. If only I could make this message go viral. She has
:20:49. > :20:58.certainly done that, but not in the way that Sodastream intended. You
:20:59. > :21:04.may remember it from 1980s Britain. But the bottles behind those dodgy
:21:05. > :21:12.haircuts are now made here, at a Jewish settlement, built on occupied
:21:13. > :21:15.territory outside Jerusalem. The factory employs Palestinians who
:21:16. > :21:21.work alongside Jewish settler colleagues. Many campaign groups
:21:22. > :21:29.want a ban on goods produced in reality settlements. Oxfam said the
:21:30. > :21:32.ad violated the Convention on Human rights, and pressed Johansson on it.
:21:33. > :21:41.She decided to hit with the drinks company, a less than happy ending to
:21:42. > :21:47.when Hollywood meets Palestine. With us is the director of policy
:21:48. > :21:55.for Oxfam. If these Palestinians are being well paid and being paid the
:21:56. > :21:59.same as their Israeli compatriots, or their colleagues. What's wrong?
:22:00. > :22:04.Our criticism is not of Sodastream's labour conditions. The issue is that
:22:05. > :22:07.factory doesn't belong to Israel or Sodastream, it belongs to the people
:22:08. > :22:11.who own that land who were thrown off that land in order that
:22:12. > :22:20.settlements could be built. This isn't about soda or celebrities, it
:22:21. > :22:23.is about settlements, the settlers impoverish the Palestinians. If I
:22:24. > :22:27.took your house and now I turned it into a hotel as a porter, that
:22:28. > :22:32.wouldn't be enough. Settlements hurt Palestinians. If this factory were
:22:33. > :22:36.inside Israel there would be no problem for you? Oxfam doesn't
:22:37. > :22:40.support a boycott against Israel, we have been clear about it. This
:22:41. > :22:44.factory and the settlements are not in Israel, that is the position of
:22:45. > :22:49.international law and the settlements hurt Palestinians. If it
:22:50. > :22:57.was inside pre-1967 borders, you wouldn't have a problem? We have
:22:58. > :23:02.never had an issue with Israel. What could Sodastream do to comply,
:23:03. > :23:07.to meet your objection? They could fulfil international law and not be
:23:08. > :23:12.in illegal settlements or someone else's territory. They have to shut
:23:13. > :23:16.the factory down? If you meet people who live outside and close to the
:23:17. > :23:21.settlements. They can't get permits for building and can be thrown out
:23:22. > :23:25.of their homes, 100 people had their homes taken away just last month.
:23:26. > :23:30.Settlements are hurting people across the West Bank. That is not
:23:31. > :23:35.Sodastream's business taking away people's homes? We are not here to
:23:36. > :23:39.criticise Sodastream but focus on the settlements. It is Sodastream
:23:40. > :23:43.that has brought this to a head, as you know, there is really nothing
:23:44. > :23:47.that Sodastream could do to meet your objections, bar shutting down
:23:48. > :23:56.the factory and locating somewhere else. They should not be in the
:23:57. > :23:59.settles, they are illegal -- settlements, they are illegal, they
:24:00. > :24:03.need to go, they hurt Palestinians, they impoverish them, they make it
:24:04. > :24:07.hard to get access to water, land and housing. It is damaging for the
:24:08. > :24:11.Palestinian people. I wonder if you have any qualms at all about what
:24:12. > :24:16.seems to some people about the bullying of Scarlett Johansson. I
:24:17. > :24:21.think Scarlett Johansson did excellent work for Oxfam. I have no
:24:22. > :24:26.criticism of Scarlett Johansson. Why couldn't she continue being an Oxfam
:24:27. > :24:30.representative and do her commercials for Sodastream? Scarlett
:24:31. > :24:36.Johansson resigned from only franc, we have made our -- Oxfam, we have
:24:37. > :24:41.made our position clear on the settlements, they hurt Palestinian
:24:42. > :24:51.people. To respond to that is the CEO of Sodastream, he's in Tel Aviv
:24:52. > :24:56.now. Can you hear me? I can. In how much did you pay Scarlett Johansson
:24:57. > :25:00.for this ad as matter of interest? It is not about money. And we don't
:25:01. > :25:04.disclose t commercial terms we have with her. I can tell you that her
:25:05. > :25:10.decision has not been financially motivated but rather
:25:11. > :25:16.humanitarian-driven. She truly cares about people and bringing peace to
:25:17. > :25:18.the region in the Middle East, and doing so within a two-state
:25:19. > :25:26.solution. How do you feel about being part of
:25:27. > :25:30.the occupation? Of territories seed from another country -- seized from
:25:31. > :25:34.another country? What I'm doing in Sodastream in the factory is
:25:35. > :25:38.occupying Palestinians side-by-side with Israelis, it is not a
:25:39. > :25:41.settlement it is a factory. In fact we are part of the Palestinian
:25:42. > :25:50.economy, and possibly part of the future, the seeds of the future
:25:51. > :25:55.Palestinian state. We are not financing the settlement economy. We
:25:56. > :26:00.are giving equal rise, benefits and opportunities to Palestinians, we
:26:01. > :26:04.are proud about what we are doing in this factory. You have taken a
:26:05. > :26:09.political position in choosing to operate this factory inside the
:26:10. > :26:15.Occupied Territories, you accept that at least? No I inherited this
:26:16. > :26:17.factory, it has been in there for 17 years, it is operating under the
:26:18. > :26:21.agreement of the Palestinians themselves. This is an inconvenient
:26:22. > :26:26.truth that many people forget. According to the Oslo accord of
:26:27. > :26:32.1993, the Palestinians themselves agreed that area C, and this factory
:26:33. > :26:36.is located in area C of the West Bank, will be operated under the
:26:37. > :26:41.Israely administration, until the final borders will be drawn. That is
:26:42. > :26:45.how we are operating. That is a God thing for the Palestinians who work
:26:46. > :26:54.for me, because we are paying them Israeli wage which, is four-times
:26:55. > :26:57.they would earn this in the Palestinian Authority, if they were
:26:58. > :27:02.lucky enough to get a job. Their unemployment is 40%. You have
:27:03. > :27:07.accepted Oxfam's position that you are operating an enterprise within
:27:08. > :27:12.the Occupied Territories? Of course we are operating in enterprise
:27:13. > :27:19.within the occupied fare threes. My -- territories. My dilemma is
:27:20. > :27:25.putting people into unemployment and poverty. We employ 500 people and
:27:26. > :27:28.each one feeds ten. Five #5,000 people have health insurance and
:27:29. > :27:34.food on the table because of us. It is cynical and ironic that Oxfam, a
:27:35. > :27:38.human rights organisation, whom I used to admire tremenduously are the
:27:39. > :27:44.ones telling me to throw these people into poverty and
:27:45. > :27:47.unemployment. It just, I can't understand how throwing 1300 people
:27:48. > :27:58.into unemployment will promote peace. The Oxfam gentleman is still
:27:59. > :28:04.here, can you explain it? You can't claim that the Palestinians
:28:05. > :28:09.settlements are there. 30% unemployment, that is the figure
:28:10. > :28:12.cited. Why is that? Is that because there are roadblocks every hour. Is
:28:13. > :28:15.it because it is impossible for a Palestinian to establish their own
:28:16. > :28:22.factory because they can't get permits in areas close to
:28:23. > :28:25.settlements. Talking about the Palestinian olive oil industry is
:28:26. > :28:30.collapsing because of the settlements. There may be many
:28:31. > :28:35.imponderable. We are talking about this one concern, this one factory,
:28:36. > :28:42.which as you have heard and well know employs Palestinians. You want
:28:43. > :28:47.to see them chucked out, do you? We want to see the land returned to
:28:48. > :28:52.those who threw them off the land. We want to see the return of the
:28:53. > :29:01.land. Would you like to see that factory seize to employ Palestinians
:29:02. > :29:07.or others? They could have an arrangement. What do you want? We
:29:08. > :29:13.want the settlements to end. You want a factory shut down? You can't
:29:14. > :29:19.operate factories and settlements and say the settlements are wrong.
:29:20. > :29:29.Do you want the factory shutdown or not? We don't want the settlements,
:29:30. > :29:32.they are illegal. Senator George Mitchell who brokered peace in
:29:33. > :29:35.Northern Ireland, you are aware of his work. He was commissioned by
:29:36. > :29:42.President Obama to broker peace in the Middle East, visited Sodastream
:29:43. > :29:46.and said we are a glimmer of co-operation between them. There is
:29:47. > :29:49.not a lot of light in this part of the world. You don't go back to
:29:50. > :29:54.darkness if you can celebrate the light. This francly is a dream for
:29:55. > :29:58.activists and politicians. Because we are proving that there can be
:29:59. > :30:06.peace in the Middle East. I invited the Oxfam folk, they can all come
:30:07. > :30:09.and see it before they shut it down. From the Prime Minister downwards,
:30:10. > :30:14.or upwards, depending on your point of view. One member of the country's
:30:15. > :30:18.officer class after another has condemned or been pious about the
:30:19. > :30:23.fact that much of the London tube system has been shut down by a
:30:24. > :30:27.48-hour strike, one scheduled for next week. We have lost the strike
:30:28. > :30:32.habit over recent years, but the action by the RMT union, let by a
:30:33. > :30:38.man photographed only days ago getting tanned on the beach in
:30:39. > :30:46.Brazil is a which have of times past. In It would be bly cheap to
:30:47. > :30:52.knock a man like Bob Crow for taking a holiday on the beaches of Brazil
:30:53. > :31:07.just days before a major tube strike. That is the conclusion Boris
:31:08. > :31:17.Johnson came to in his column, it wasn't so much the holiday but it
:31:18. > :31:22.was the unions attempt to paralise. Grumpy recrimination, lost revenue
:31:23. > :31:26.and grumpiness, much of it aimed at your man Bob, Bob and or Ritz
:31:27. > :31:30.haven't met for five years. This morning they clashed on a live radio
:31:31. > :31:35.show, each confusingly accusing the other of the same thing.. I can't
:31:36. > :31:40.sit down and negotiate with you. I'm not askin When you are holding a gun
:31:41. > :31:44.to Londoners' heads. You can't put a gun to your head? You are putting
:31:45. > :31:48.the gun to the head. You served the notice on our unions. The
:31:49. > :31:54.ammunition, bizarrely is a deranged shot at class war, with the old
:31:55. > :31:58.Eatonian pointing out the inconsistencies of a trade unionists
:31:59. > :32:08.living in a council house on a six-figure salary. He gets ?5,000 a
:32:09. > :32:17.year, Boris Johnson gets ?143,000. A tube driver will make ?52,000 by
:32:18. > :32:22.2015. The average wage for a London is ?32,800. The strike surrounds
:32:23. > :32:30.jobs and ticket office closures. Bob accuse Boris of breaking his
:32:31. > :32:35.election promise of promising not to close any one. Boris says things
:32:36. > :32:41.have moved on. Old fashioned technology, six years ago when I
:32:42. > :32:48.talked about closing the offices or not, the i phone wasn't invented. It
:32:49. > :32:55.is brave man that asks what technology has done for the world,
:32:56. > :32:59.perhaps Bob Crow is a different breed. Perhaps Camden Town doesn't
:33:00. > :33:04.like as enticing as his holiday desanyone nation.
:33:05. > :33:11.Aside from the discussion about the merits of Bob Crow's tan, the
:33:12. > :33:17.question is, is his union just holding up the inevitable technology
:33:18. > :33:21.with driverless trains and ticketless stations. Do you care
:33:22. > :33:26.about the damage done to the economy of Lon by this strike? London
:33:27. > :33:31.Underground relies on the economy and our members rely on working for
:33:32. > :33:34.London Underground. The bigger the economy gets in London the more
:33:35. > :33:38.people you use on London Underground. Making sure our jobs
:33:39. > :33:42.are more secure. You don't care enough to call off the strike? We
:33:43. > :33:47.do, we would love to call the strike off. Just do it then? But the point
:33:48. > :33:52.is, what do we get out of it. We don't call strikes for the sake of
:33:53. > :34:01.it. We call strikes because the employer doesn't take us seriously.
:34:02. > :34:04.The tube staff realise if you are disabled or partially sighted it
:34:05. > :34:07.will be more difficult to get a ticket. There is an argument that
:34:08. > :34:12.all we are doing ask trying to keep somebody behind a ticket office
:34:13. > :34:19.seing tickets, that is the not the case. You know the thing is
:34:20. > :34:23.contactless travel and driverless trains? Technology is coming in, we
:34:24. > :34:27.want to sit down and agree how the technology will be applied. We
:34:28. > :34:32.support London Underground, we want to sit round a table, not to be told
:34:33. > :34:36.that workers who have about 25, 30 years, heros when the vicious
:34:37. > :34:41.terrorist attacks took place in London. You don't want to change
:34:42. > :34:45.things, three months notice and get rid of the jobs. We are happy with
:34:46. > :34:49.change, we have had change all our lives. We have been crying out for
:34:50. > :34:53.change. How can you be crying out for change when you are opposing
:34:54. > :34:59.change? We are not opposing change, we are imposing how it is
:35:00. > :35:05.implemented. We might as well pack up a shop. If trade union can't ask
:35:06. > :35:09.for safety in the work place to and from the work place, decent pay and
:35:10. > :35:15.conditions, we might as well pack up. It has taken decades to get
:35:16. > :35:20.legislation in place to make sure there is proper work places and this
:35:21. > :35:25.crowd wants to take them all away. You know how it is going, great
:35:26. > :35:30.unions, shadows of their former selves, even the Labour Party is
:35:31. > :35:35.proposing the role of the unions and choosing of the leader. All across
:35:36. > :35:41.the board, unions are in retreat, and unions like yours have very
:35:42. > :35:45.little to look forward to? I think we do so, we are not members of the
:35:46. > :35:52.Labour Party, those in the Labour Party ask him, our membership has
:35:53. > :35:59.gone up from 53,000 to 81,000. That was in the last 12 years. The
:36:00. > :36:03.railways is another technology. A new technology will come in, you buy
:36:04. > :36:07.a new television and it is fantastic, but six months older it
:36:08. > :36:12.is old. We don't go around the place and say because the central heating
:36:13. > :36:19.is coming in we still want chimney sweepers. Houses are being built out
:36:20. > :36:22.chimneys, you turn the chimney sweets into central engineers. That
:36:23. > :36:30.is what we are doing, that is what we say about the underground. If a
:36:31. > :36:34.still isn't there we use the stils and diversify. I just wonder if you
:36:35. > :36:41.look at it you see the future of work and the marginalised role of
:36:42. > :36:46.trade unions in many areas of life. Don't you feel you belong in a
:36:47. > :36:50.different time? No I belong in 2014. You are a dinosaur? At the end of
:36:51. > :36:54.the day that was around for a long while. People join a trade union, in
:36:55. > :37:01.our view they do for one thing and one thing only, job secretary, being
:37:02. > :37:10.safe, best possible pay and conditions, decent conditions and
:37:11. > :37:14.world of peace. If we are not -- If we don't put it on the agenda, who
:37:15. > :37:20.will, who will be the people on the street to hold its banner for us if
:37:21. > :37:26.the trade unions don't hold it. To a story that almost seems too unlikely
:37:27. > :37:30.to be true. A fishermen sets off from the Mexican coast but gets lost
:37:31. > :37:39.at sea. Over a year later and thousands of miles away, the
:37:40. > :37:44.fisherman turns up on the Martial islands in the Pacific. He claims to
:37:45. > :37:55.have survived by drinking turtle blood and his own urine. We join a
:37:56. > :38:05.film maker on the trip. Do you believe him? In a word, yes. I can
:38:06. > :38:08.say categorically when he first waed up on the shore and I heard the
:38:09. > :38:12.story I was very sceptical. Having seen him and talked to him
:38:13. > :38:19.yesterday. Having filmed him getting off the boat. I really think this
:38:20. > :38:24.man went through on ordeal, you described some of the issues he had
:38:25. > :38:29.being at sea for so long. This is not somebody working an agenda or
:38:30. > :38:33.perpetrate a host. This is a simple fisherman from Mexico who has spent
:38:34. > :38:42.a long time at sea and has an incredible tale to tell. What sort
:38:43. > :38:46.of shape was he in? When he got off the boat some of the people saw the
:38:47. > :38:51.images that I shot and thought this guy looks big and healthy. How could
:38:52. > :38:56.he have been at sea. The issue had, he was very bloated and his face was
:38:57. > :39:01.bloated and his arms and hands were bloated. To me he didn't look
:39:02. > :39:07.healthy. He had a big baggy shirt on that made him look heavy. When we
:39:08. > :39:13.went a filmed him yesterday after the hospital overnight, the IVs,
:39:14. > :39:19.fluids, and being back in civilisation with people who you
:39:20. > :39:24.talk to. He started to go from the survival mode, which I imagine he
:39:25. > :39:27.was in for a long time, to OK, I'm back to reality I have to start
:39:28. > :39:31.thinking about myself and my future. You could see him. Even over the
:39:32. > :39:40.course of the interview, just his mentality changed and he seems in
:39:41. > :39:45.pretty good spirits but on the other hand he can't believe what he was
:39:46. > :39:51.just going through. His original story of going off on a fishing
:39:52. > :39:56.trip, I believe, wasn't it with a friend were is the friend? What
:39:57. > :40:01.happened is he told us the story and this got jumbled around in the
:40:02. > :40:06.media. He told it to us directly from his own lips yesterday. They
:40:07. > :40:11.had been at sea for about four months. He had a young man with him.
:40:12. > :40:15.He's not really sure of the young man's age, 15-17 years old, what
:40:16. > :40:21.they had been doing to that point, survive, they were beating raw
:40:22. > :40:27.birds, a lot of the diet was raw birds or a turtle if it was bumped
:40:28. > :40:33.up on the boat and they would eat it raw. Occasionally they would catch
:40:34. > :40:38.fish. Every time this young man would go to eat one of the young
:40:39. > :40:42.birds he would vomit and couldn't do T he was having a lot of time eating
:40:43. > :40:49.any kind of raw food. After a while we refused. Eventually he died, and
:40:50. > :40:53.according to Jose he flipped him off to boat and put him to sea after he
:40:54. > :41:02.died. When talked about this particular event in the interview.
:41:03. > :41:05.You could see the remorse come over his face. This was something that
:41:06. > :41:09.was starting to sink in the reality of his downhy. He started when he
:41:10. > :41:16.would talk about this young man, it was a really hard thing to talk
:41:17. > :41:23.about. There is quite a lot of excitement in the music world at
:41:24. > :41:28.present with the success of African artists. Million Pound Girl has been
:41:29. > :41:33.in the charts for many years. The performer is Fuse, British of
:41:34. > :41:35.Ghanaian descent. What is happening with the popularity of African music
:41:36. > :41:58.goes further than tunes or dancing. Fuse ODG or "on the ground"
:41:59. > :42:03.performing this dance in the clubs of Ghon and brought it to the UK.
:42:04. > :42:12.The sound known as Afrobeat, draws on the music of west Africa. The
:42:13. > :42:18.track represents a turning point, when Ghana's streets is as
:42:19. > :42:33.influential on British culture as hip hop in the UK. His next track,
:42:34. > :42:41.antenna took him mainstream, it reached the top ten last year. It
:42:42. > :42:45.stands for "this is the new Africa". Fuse OD doesn't just want to change
:42:46. > :42:58.the way people move but transform the way we see Africa. Fuse is here,
:42:59. > :43:03.what is all this stuff about transforming the way we see Africa?
:43:04. > :43:09.I grew up in the UK, I did primary school in Ghana and secondary school
:43:10. > :43:14.in the UK and university. Growing up in the UK, Africa wasn't perceived
:43:15. > :43:18.in such a good way. I took a trip back to Africa a few years ago, my
:43:19. > :43:25.experiences were completely different from what I had seen on
:43:26. > :43:33.TV, how my peers actually saw Africa. I just wanted to share my
:43:34. > :43:39.experience. Africa is at? Conrad Heart of Darkness, it is familiar
:43:40. > :43:44.anyone, corruption, it issups it is things not working, you say there is
:43:45. > :43:49.another picture people have missed? There is so much people have missed.
:43:50. > :43:54.When I land in Africa, the feeling I get, when in Africa. It is such an
:43:55. > :44:00.amazing feeling it annoyed me I was in the UK and this kind of feeling
:44:01. > :44:25.wasn't portrayed on the TVs or the radio. So toing it annoyed me I was
:44:26. > :44:28.in the UK and this kind of feeling wasn't portrayed on the TVs or the
:44:29. > :44:30.radio. So to me I'm sharing my music about Africa, there is poverty and
:44:31. > :44:33.things, but it is important to get the balance right. The media don't
:44:34. > :44:36.show the balance, especially when I was growing up. Is this feeling of a
:44:37. > :44:44.different kind of Africa, are people outside the African community
:44:45. > :44:48.beginning to understand that. Through the music we are making the
:44:49. > :44:54.of a toe beat. I performed at the MOBOs and I won an award. I let
:44:55. > :44:58.people know that Africa is not all that, the media is showing there is
:44:59. > :45:02.a different side to that. At Stamford university I shared my
:45:03. > :45:07.experience of Africa and not just about Africa but outside, me and
:45:08. > :45:13.African people. Their ideas on how to become reinvested back in. Are
:45:14. > :45:21.there white kids who want to be African? A white girl's phone rings
:45:22. > :45:31.and the tune is praying on the phone. Things have changed and the
:45:32. > :45:36.feeling proud to be really proud of who you are. What does it stand for
:45:37. > :45:40.on your hat? "This is new Africa", showcasing it through music,
:45:41. > :45:45.businesses, fashion, just there is so many different factors that the
:45:46. > :45:49.media never showcased when I was growing up. We are going to hear
:45:50. > :45:56.you. Don't talk for too long. I like talking. We want to hear you play.
:45:57. > :45:59.If you get ready for that,ly give some very -- I will give some
:46:00. > :46:03.interesting newspaper headlines. Yeah, the Telegraph, bigger council
:46:04. > :46:26.tax rise forced by Liberal Democrats.
:46:27. > :47:02.# You move like the wind # The way you put it on and off love
:47:03. > :47:05.# I want to come and give you my ring
:47:06. > :47:10.# My girl roll with a kick # She can give you everything
:47:11. > :47:14.# My girl roll with a kick # Like a singer
:47:15. > :47:18.# My girl is roll with a butter # I can give you everything
:47:19. > :47:22.# My girl roll with a kink # Every good man needs a Queen
:47:23. > :47:29.# I like it when you put it on # When you put it off
:47:30. > :47:32.# You always stay ahead like the hoodie army
:47:33. > :47:36.# I won't leave you lonely # Go and put it on
:47:37. > :47:44.# When put it on I'm really good # The hoodie army I like the way
:47:45. > :47:49.that you doing your thing # You doing your thing
:47:50. > :47:54.# All my pain off on the ground # You done move like the wind. ,
:47:55. > :47:56.evening, another stormy