:00:08. > :00:14.Tonight, the match put in police officer who says he was sent
:00:15. > :00:20.undercover inside the campaign to get justice for Stephen Lawrence.
:00:21. > :00:28.What was he doing? The thing early on was to find any intelligence to
:00:29. > :00:32.stop the campaign. Stephen Lawrence's father, Neville
:00:33. > :00:37.Lawrence, will give his reaction. What are the limits of undercover
:00:38. > :00:42.policing in Britain? In Brussels, despite the pressure,
:00:43. > :00:48.the EU is finding sanctions against Iran or Syria is one thing, putting
:00:49. > :00:54.them into practice is another. It is not easy to get your's 28 leaders to
:00:55. > :00:58.agree on anything. They were in danger of being taken over by
:00:59. > :01:04.events. This, believe it or not, is a
:01:05. > :01:08.visualisation of how Bitcoin has evolved since its birth five years
:01:09. > :01:20.ago. What is missing is the face of its creator. That has always been a
:01:21. > :01:23.mystery. Has it now been sold? Good evening. The Lawrence family
:01:24. > :01:30.must wonder if they will ever find the truth out about their son's
:01:31. > :01:35.Stephen's death and the Metropolitan Police investigation into it.
:01:36. > :01:39.Today's report by Mark Ellison is a disaster for the Met. Theresa May
:01:40. > :01:46.called it profoundly shocking and truly chilling. Mr Ellison found
:01:47. > :01:50.that an undercover police officer infiltrated the Lawrence family
:01:51. > :01:54.group, spying on them in the run-up to the MacPherson Inquiry and he
:01:55. > :01:58.also discovered evidence to suspect that one of the detectives on the
:01:59. > :02:03.original investigation, Detective Sergeant John Davidson, acted
:02:04. > :02:07.corruptly. There is now to be in new judge-led enquiry and Dame Doreen
:02:08. > :02:11.Lawrence has called for proceedings against officers involved. Here is
:02:12. > :02:15.Jim Reed. It is more than two decades since a
:02:16. > :02:19.teenage boy was stabbed to death by a group of racist thugs in south
:02:20. > :02:24.London. Stephen Lawrence would be 40 years old this year. What has
:02:25. > :02:28.happened since his murder has told us something about how British
:02:29. > :02:35.society has changed and maybe how much it has not. It has taken nearly
:02:36. > :02:47.21 years since Stephen was killed and the fact that we as a family...
:02:48. > :02:55.Had to go through all this and still there is more to come out. Today's
:02:56. > :03:00.damning report is the latest embarrassment for the Metropolitan
:03:01. > :03:04.Police in this case. Already labelled institutionally racist and
:03:05. > :03:08.ineffectual, it was confirmed today that the force infiltrated groups to
:03:09. > :03:13.spy on the family. Just an hour after the report went online, the
:03:14. > :03:18.Home Secretary was on her feet to announce a public enquiry into the
:03:19. > :03:22.use of undercover officers. Undercover officers, sometimes
:03:23. > :03:25.working in difficult and dangerous conditions have helped bring
:03:26. > :03:30.criminals to justice. They have stopped bad things happening in our
:03:31. > :03:35.country. But the Ellison Review reveals very real and substantial
:03:36. > :03:40.failings. The picture which emerges about the SDS from this report, and
:03:41. > :03:47.from other material in the public domain, is of significant failings
:03:48. > :03:52.of judgement, intrusive supervision and leadership. Under the spotlight
:03:53. > :04:01.now is that Special Branch unit, the SDS, which was meant to come back --
:04:02. > :04:06.combat domestic extremism. One of those has told us he was ordered to
:04:07. > :04:16.undermine the Stephen Lawrence campaign. The day-to-day thing early
:04:17. > :04:20.on was to find any information, any intelligence which could be used to
:04:21. > :04:28.stop the campaign. It was felt by the police at that time, that that
:04:29. > :04:35.disorder was, the campaign was being taken over by militant groups and it
:04:36. > :04:39.was causing potential for disorder on a vast scale. So any intelligence
:04:40. > :04:45.that could be used to stop the campaign, that is what they wanted
:04:46. > :04:51.from me. Even more serious word the actions of another SDS officer,
:04:52. > :04:55.still known only by his code number. According to today's report, they
:04:56. > :04:59.infiltrated groups close to Stephen Lawrence's parents and reported back
:05:00. > :05:03.with personal evidence about the family. The presence of this
:05:04. > :05:07.undercover officer was highly questionable. In particular, the Met
:05:08. > :05:13.was strongly criticised for arranging a meeting between this
:05:14. > :05:17.bike and a senior officer, drafting a response into the MacPherson
:05:18. > :05:20.Inquiry into the handling of the original investigation. One of the
:05:21. > :05:26.men who raped the final MacPherson report described the actions of the
:05:27. > :05:29.police as deplorable. What you are asking for is the damage to the
:05:30. > :05:33.enquiry is the police were spending time about how they could defend
:05:34. > :05:41.themselves rather than assuming the investigation. The goal was to find
:05:42. > :05:45.better ways for policing. A second report into undercover policing
:05:46. > :05:51.today found no evidence that police officers had intentionally smeared
:05:52. > :05:57.the Lawrence family. We do recognise that allegations like this go to the
:05:58. > :06:00.heart of people's trust enough as a police service. We are absolutely
:06:01. > :06:05.clear that the work we have been doing over a number of years and the
:06:06. > :06:09.work we have collectively done is around trying to maintain high
:06:10. > :06:14.levels of trust and confidence in policing in London. But the role of
:06:15. > :06:18.undercover officers there is much wider than the case of Stephen
:06:19. > :06:23.Lawrence. It was at a safe house here in this blog in west London,
:06:24. > :06:27.that members of the SDS or special demonstrations quad net to share
:06:28. > :06:33.stories. Some were embedded with extreme right-wing groups, others
:06:34. > :06:36.with environmental esters or animal-rights activists. Their role
:06:37. > :06:42.was so secret that some senior police officers had no idea they
:06:43. > :06:47.were next listed. The SDS was formed in 1968, in the wake of anti-Vietnam
:06:48. > :06:52.War demos to infiltrate home-grown protest groups. By the 90s, the
:06:53. > :06:55.target had switched to political activists. Among the most
:06:56. > :07:03.controversial allegations, the claim that one of the operatives planted
:07:04. > :07:06.an incendiary device on behalf of animal-rights protesters, and the
:07:07. > :07:11.undercover police officer Mark Kennedy had sexual relations with
:07:12. > :07:15.several women during the time he was with environmentalists. We felt we
:07:16. > :07:22.were outside the law but we felt we were protected by another law, the
:07:23. > :07:28.national secrets act. -- official secrets act. When some of our
:07:29. > :07:32.officers transgressed into areas of criminality, and were investigated
:07:33. > :07:37.by the uniform side, they always had the official secrets act blanket to
:07:38. > :07:43.stop any serious investigation taking place. The enquiry will also
:07:44. > :07:49.look into the allegation that the names of 42 dead children were used
:07:50. > :07:53.to create undercover identities. In 2008, a group of environmental
:07:54. > :07:59.activists were arrested. In a freight train at the Drax power
:08:00. > :08:08.station. There are rich and was quashed when it emerged that
:08:09. > :08:15.evidence was used with false identities. There are about 110
:08:16. > :08:20.former officers, almost every one of them have got skeletons somewhere.
:08:21. > :08:26.You would have multiple litigation claims. Claims like that could have
:08:27. > :08:31.big implications, not just for the net but for policing across the of
:08:32. > :08:36.the UK. The Stephen Lawrence case may have triggered what will now be
:08:37. > :08:41.a lengthy public enquiry. The final consequences could be much wider and
:08:42. > :08:45.far reaching than that. Some of what emerged today was not
:08:46. > :08:48.as prize to the BBC, namely that a former Met officer, Detective
:08:49. > :08:54.Sergeant John Davidson is suspected of corruption. In 2006, the BBC
:08:55. > :08:58.published allegations made by a colleague of John Davidson, that he
:08:59. > :09:02.had been taking bribes in the form of protection money, from the father
:09:03. > :09:08.of one of Stephen Lawrence's killers, David Norris, to keep him
:09:09. > :09:12.from prosecution. He said he was looking after Norris, that meant he
:09:13. > :09:20.was protecting him and his family against arrests and any conviction.
:09:21. > :09:26.You are telling me that he was corrupt and in the pocket of the
:09:27. > :09:30.father of one of the suspects? From my conversation I had with John
:09:31. > :09:35.Davidson on that day, I would say that John Davidson was receiving
:09:36. > :09:41.cash from Clifford Norris. He was getting a little earner out of it.
:09:42. > :09:48.And that in my mind was corrupt practice.
:09:49. > :09:51.I'm joined now by Mark Daly, the reporter you saw in that clip who
:09:52. > :09:59.has been following the story closely for several years. The film that you
:10:00. > :10:05.made discussed and accused a police officer of corruption. What happened
:10:06. > :10:09.next? The Lawrence family had long suspected that corruption had played
:10:10. > :10:13.a corrosive role in the investigation of their son's murder.
:10:14. > :10:16.This film broadcast those allegations and put them into the
:10:17. > :10:22.public domain for the first time properly. These are allegations by
:10:23. > :10:28.the way that John Davidson denied then and continues to deny today.
:10:29. > :10:32.What happened next was the IPCC launched an investigation into Neil
:10:33. > :10:34.Putnam's claims. It concluded there was no evidence to support them and
:10:35. > :10:41.the allegations were effectively dismissed. This led to a credibility
:10:42. > :10:47.problem for Neil Putnam, it led to the Metropolitan Police launching a
:10:48. > :10:50.blistering attack on the BBC for what it called irresponsible and
:10:51. > :10:53.sensationalist journalism. But thanks to the tenacity of the
:10:54. > :11:00.Lawrences, these allegations refuse to go away. What the review today by
:11:01. > :11:05.Mark Ellison has done, it appears to have got underneath the corruption
:11:06. > :11:10.allegations in a way that the IPCC failed to do. The IPCC is heavily
:11:11. > :11:13.criticised today in Ellison's report and questions will be asked why it
:11:14. > :11:19.did not seem to see what Ellison saw. But make no mistake, today's
:11:20. > :11:23.report is a vindication for the 2006 BBC journalism but more importantly,
:11:24. > :11:27.it is an acknowledgement that for the first time the Lawrences were
:11:28. > :11:33.right to be suspicious about corruption. One further point on the
:11:34. > :11:39.interview there, Neil Putnam wanted his evidence to go forward to
:11:40. > :11:43.MacPherson, what happened? The IPCC said they were satisfied that the
:11:44. > :11:46.Met put everything forward to the MacPherson Inquiry. Ellison said
:11:47. > :11:51.today that simply did not happen. The Met were in possession of
:11:52. > :11:56.information about corruption relating to John Davidson.
:11:57. > :12:00.MacPherson was suspicious of Davidson and had he been aware of
:12:01. > :12:05.the existence of some of this information, his conclusions might
:12:06. > :12:10.have been very different. But as recently as 2012, Mark Ellison has
:12:11. > :12:16.concluded that the Met was still misleading the public and misleading
:12:17. > :12:18.the Lawrences. They said all the information had been handed to the
:12:19. > :12:25.enquiry when it clearly had not been. Thank you. Dame Doreen
:12:26. > :12:29.Lawrence said the Metropolitan Police to this day cannot be
:12:30. > :12:32.trusted. Earlier, I spoke to the policing minister Damian Green and I
:12:33. > :12:38.started by asking him if she was right.
:12:39. > :12:41.I do not think you can tie the whole Metropolitan Police with this
:12:42. > :12:45.allegation. The vast majority of the police do a job which is difficult
:12:46. > :12:49.and dangerous and with complete integrity. But what we have found
:12:50. > :12:54.two days there were even more serious problems, both what happened
:12:55. > :12:59.after the terrible murder of Stephen Lawrence and the whole issue of
:13:00. > :13:03.undercover policing than we knew before which is why we have taken
:13:04. > :13:06.the steps we have. And undercover police officer was ordered to
:13:07. > :13:11.infiltrate the Lawrence campaign to get dirt on the Lawrence family.
:13:12. > :13:15.Should there be criminal proceedings? It is not for
:13:16. > :13:20.politicians to say that somebody should be accused of a crime. That
:13:21. > :13:23.is why we have police and the Crown Prosecution Service. But clearly
:13:24. > :13:28.there needs to be any the more thorough investigation than we have
:13:29. > :13:33.seen in the past. MacPherson did not know there was an undercover cop
:13:34. > :13:39.with the Lawrence camp. Does he deserve an apology? Who,
:13:40. > :13:43.MacPherson? Yes. Everyone who has been a victim of this clearly
:13:44. > :13:46.deserves an apology. I do not think anyone will defend the conduct of
:13:47. > :13:51.the officers at the time who appeared to be involved in this or
:13:52. > :14:02.those who perhaps shredded the evidence. One of the evidence --
:14:03. > :14:09.Ella didn't -- Ellison evidence is that information was shredded.
:14:10. > :14:17.Should the Metropolitan Police have put someone to discredit the
:14:18. > :14:21.Lawrences? That is something for them to answer. MacPherson famously
:14:22. > :14:25.found there was institutional racism in the Metropolitan Police at the
:14:26. > :14:29.time. I do not think there is any more but clearly, all these issues
:14:30. > :14:34.need to be fully investigated and we need to get to the bottom of them.
:14:35. > :14:39.Also, Detective Sergeant John Davidson, formerly of the Met,
:14:40. > :14:43.Ellison has looked at him and found he was trying to aid and abet Dobson
:14:44. > :14:50.to get him off the hook, what do you make of that? What everyone else
:14:51. > :14:55.makes of it. That sounds appalling. That is precisely why we have
:14:56. > :14:59.introduced a raft of new actions now say that every individual aspect of
:15:00. > :15:03.this is properly investigated either by the National crime authority, so
:15:04. > :15:13.it is not being investigated by the Met or by a judge leading quarry. --
:15:14. > :15:18.a judge lead in quiet. Do you think the squad was out of control at the
:15:19. > :15:21.time? All the evidence suggests it was out of control by modern
:15:22. > :15:26.standards throughout its existence. We have, not just this government,
:15:27. > :15:33.previous governments have tightened up the way undercover operations can
:15:34. > :15:37.happen. It does seem, from what we have seen from the reports, that
:15:38. > :15:44.what was happening then was outside the rules even at the time. There
:15:45. > :15:49.are allegations that members of the squad engaged in sexual relations in
:15:50. > :15:57.order to hide their identities. Should there be legal redress? That
:15:58. > :16:01.is one of the things that has been investigated by one of the
:16:02. > :16:08.investigations into this. If illegality is proved, clearly, there
:16:09. > :16:12.should be prosecutions. Neville Lawrence said he did not think he
:16:13. > :16:21.could bear to go through a second enquiry. I can sympathise, but not
:16:22. > :16:27.just the family themselves, but also society as a whole, will feel, it
:16:28. > :16:32.has taken 20 years to get this far, it is worth getting to the truth, it
:16:33. > :16:37.is so important, so many things seem to have gone so wrong, it is worth
:16:38. > :16:43.carrying on. The allegation is that John Davison was aiding David
:16:44. > :16:50.Norris, not Dobson. The Met Police's Special
:16:51. > :16:54.Demonstrations Squad would often spend years undercover, and even
:16:55. > :16:59.strike up romantic relationships with their target. Then, they would
:17:00. > :17:03.disappear, leaving holes in the lives of those who had grown close
:17:04. > :17:08.to them. We have spoken to one woman whose identity we are protecting, we
:17:09. > :17:10.are calling her Alison. She lived with a man she did not know was an
:17:11. > :17:24.undercover cop. At this address in Hackney in East
:17:25. > :17:27.London nearly 20 years ago, a group of political activists would meet.
:17:28. > :17:33.They were a broad church of campaigners. One day, a new member
:17:34. > :17:35.presented himself, not the predictable middle-class north
:17:36. > :17:44.London. He was working-class, from Liverpool. He had a van to get the
:17:45. > :17:50.group around in. We are in the A1, heading north. To one woman, he was
:17:51. > :17:57.down-to-earth, practical, sociable and warm. She fell in love with him.
:17:58. > :18:04.This is Alison's story. How would you describe your life together with
:18:05. > :18:12.him? It is characterised by Thomas display. -- domestic life. He was
:18:13. > :18:16.fully integrated with my friends and family. We led a conventional life
:18:17. > :18:23.in many ways, I was a schoolteacher, he used to get up
:18:24. > :18:29.early. I thought he then went to work. His name was Mark Cassidy, he
:18:30. > :18:33.began a sexual relationship with Alison. He moved into her house and
:18:34. > :18:38.lost to live with her there for four years. Eventually, Alison wanted
:18:39. > :18:44.children. Mark said he was not ready. For a year, they went to
:18:45. > :18:50.relationship counselling. She went into detail about her background, in
:18:51. > :18:57.contrast, his story was scant. He was skilled at averting attention
:18:58. > :19:02.away from himself. At the time, he seemed humble and charming. But
:19:03. > :19:07.Alison suspected something was being kept from her. She discovered a
:19:08. > :19:13.credit card in a different name and challenged him. He said, I cannot
:19:14. > :19:18.believe how stupid I have been. Please, do not tell anyone, I bought
:19:19. > :19:25.it in a pub, I have only used it once, to buy petrol. Please promise
:19:26. > :19:31.never to tell anyone, I am so ashamed to appear like a petty
:19:32. > :19:39.thief. I put it over the dustbin and cut it up. I never told anybody. The
:19:40. > :19:43.break-up was convoluted. According to Alison, he behaved as though he
:19:44. > :19:46.were clinically depressed. She found a goodbye letter on the kitchen
:19:47. > :19:53.table. She called him in hysterics, he came back, briefly. A few weeks
:19:54. > :19:59.later, he left for good. What effect did his disappearance have? It was
:20:00. > :20:05.devastating, like a bereavement, it was so sudden. Without explanation.
:20:06. > :20:12.I could not grieve in any normal way, because in a normal
:20:13. > :20:16.relationship, somebody leaves you, there are normally family members or
:20:17. > :20:24.friends who you might have in common you can talk to. You might get some
:20:25. > :20:26.answers. Doubles the end, they were out walking when Alison spotted a
:20:27. > :20:33.car driving past them repeatedly. She said she thought they were being
:20:34. > :20:37.followed, he said not to worry. After he left, she became paranoid.
:20:38. > :20:44.In the middle of the night, I would look out the window, at 3am, 4am,
:20:45. > :20:49.logging the number plates of cars that were outside my house, and
:20:50. > :20:56.logging the times they were there. On my way to work, park keepers
:20:57. > :21:01.would smile or nod at me, I would think they were members of the
:21:02. > :21:07.state, keeping tabs on me. I was acutely paranoid, very frightened
:21:08. > :21:13.and very disturbed. That lasted for several years. She try to find out
:21:14. > :21:17.who the man she shared her bed with for nearly five years really was.
:21:18. > :21:26.She could only find out who he was not, and that was Mark Cassidy. I
:21:27. > :21:31.went to the family records office, and I searched for his father's
:21:32. > :21:35.death, because I knew the dates when his father died, and there was no
:21:36. > :21:40.record. I hired a private detective to do a run on his national
:21:41. > :21:46.insurance number and other details. All this person could prove was that
:21:47. > :21:56.he was not who he said he was, there was no record at the DVLA and other
:21:57. > :22:00.places. Eventually, she learned he was Mark Jenner, and undercover
:22:01. > :22:03.police officer working for an elite division of the Metropolitan Police.
:22:04. > :22:10.Further investigations revealed the time of their village and ship -- at
:22:11. > :22:13.the time of their relationship, he was married with three young
:22:14. > :22:19.children. I suspect he was going home, to his wife and children. He
:22:20. > :22:26.was a strong personality. I loved him very much, I'm sure they do.
:22:27. > :22:31.Alison eventually rebuilt her life. She has two children. But she says
:22:32. > :22:35.her experience made her feel as though she had been raped by the
:22:36. > :22:40.state. She is now taking a civil case against five police officers.
:22:41. > :22:44.She wants to know what information the Met Police holds on her and
:22:45. > :22:47.whether they knew about and authorised the intimate relationship
:22:48. > :22:52.that Mark Jenner sustained with her for so long. She agreed to this
:22:53. > :22:56.interview because she believes the police will ask the courts to
:22:57. > :23:03.dismiss the case on the grounds that continued secrecy is vital to
:23:04. > :23:07.operational security. We approached Mark Jenner for a
:23:08. > :23:11.response to Alison's claims, but he did not provide any comment. The
:23:12. > :23:13.police gave a statement which said, there is a thorough review and light
:23:14. > :24:17.investigation... Fear our Neville Lawrence -- here
:24:18. > :24:21.are Neville Lawrence, Janet Hill 's and Peter Kirk. We will talk about
:24:22. > :24:25.the wider issue of undercover policing, but let's deal with the
:24:26. > :24:33.report. Can you give me your reaction? I was there the stated
:24:34. > :24:37.when I listened to the Home Secretary talking about something
:24:38. > :24:47.that we have been talking about for 21 years. I felt I knew this was
:24:48. > :24:55.happening, but to hear this being said so the wider world could hear,
:24:56. > :24:59.I was vindicated that my family had been talking about this, and if
:25:00. > :25:04.people had listened earlier, every thing would have been different.
:25:05. > :25:10.What did it feel like, knowing you were being spied upon? I did not
:25:11. > :25:17.realise all know that I was spied upon, I just had feelings. Because
:25:18. > :25:24.of the attitude of the three officers who came to my house on the
:25:25. > :25:27.morning after Stephen's death, who was not prepared to tell us how he
:25:28. > :25:36.died or even said what had happened, I felt they were not being
:25:37. > :25:42.helpful at all. Every time we as Christians, they would not answer.
:25:43. > :25:50.-- every time we were asking questions. They were asking who the
:25:51. > :25:57.people were in my house. I said, these people had nothing to do with
:25:58. > :26:01.my son's death. Could there be any justification whatsoever with
:26:02. > :26:08.putting undercover officers into the family campaign? There could not if
:26:09. > :26:16.that was the aim, to gather evidence to discredit the family. If you read
:26:17. > :26:19.what Mark Ellison has found, the right hand of the much about and
:26:20. > :26:24.police, the murder enquiry, did not ask the left-hand to do anything.
:26:25. > :26:30.The left-hand hammer a secret unit within a secret unit, was charged
:26:31. > :26:34.with looking at the issues of trying to prevent serious violent disorder,
:26:35. > :26:39.you have got to look at the context, there had been violent disorder, the
:26:40. > :26:50.Met Police would have been failing if it did not ask itself, is the
:26:51. > :26:54.issue of the enquiry, are the problem is going to rebound into
:26:55. > :26:58.major public disorder? But we have heard from a former officer who
:26:59. > :27:03.alleges that he was part of that operation. That what he was being
:27:04. > :27:11.asked to do was to discredit the family. It does not matter, it is
:27:12. > :27:16.the Met Police. I would challenge you and say, you analyse what he
:27:17. > :27:21.says, he does not say that at all. He says he is being asked for
:27:22. > :27:25.information, and the officer was deployed not into the family got
:27:26. > :27:29.into one of the campaign creeps that was seeking to influence and attach
:27:30. > :27:38.themselves to the campaign. -- the campaign troops.
:27:39. > :27:48.We were not part of any kind, we were not affiliated to any violent
:27:49. > :27:54.things. Nobody said that. What you just said implied that, there were
:27:55. > :28:00.bad things going on. If the various groups that were affiliating
:28:01. > :28:06.themselves... You are a serving officer. In your view, was there any
:28:07. > :28:10.justification for putting undercover officers into any aspect of the
:28:11. > :28:17.campaign? With undercover policing, it has its place. But it still needs
:28:18. > :28:23.to act within the law. There needs to be accountability and scrutiny
:28:24. > :28:27.around what it is they do. Should they have been involved in this
:28:28. > :28:35.campaign? No, it is as simple as that. What was the impact of that,
:28:36. > :28:43.in terms of how they were conducting the investigation? It clouded the
:28:44. > :28:47.issue of the murder, the racist murder, of Stephen Lawrence.
:28:48. > :28:56.Therefore, they never got to the truth of it. This is about trust,
:28:57. > :29:02.and for do, you were involved with an undercover officer, not that you
:29:03. > :29:09.knew, tell me how you felt when you found out that you had been duped.
:29:10. > :29:15.It is hugely shocking, it affects your sense of trust and judgement, I
:29:16. > :29:20.was one of thousands of people who had been duped by hundreds of
:29:21. > :29:26.officers, you have got a whole policing culture, they try to tell
:29:27. > :29:31.us it was one rogue unit, but now there is a whole policing culture
:29:32. > :29:38.that can differentiate between a threat to national security and a
:29:39. > :29:44.threat to police could ability. Damian Green said that the problem
:29:45. > :29:51.with the Special Demonstrations Squad. They were completely out of
:29:52. > :29:56.control. I agree, but they have been around since 1968, created at the
:29:57. > :30:02.behest of politicians, they were funded by the Home Office, big-time,
:30:03. > :30:11.they were secret within a secret organisation. They were secret even
:30:12. > :30:17.within special Branch. And yet Peter Francis said he was congratulated. I
:30:18. > :30:22.am not saying they did not know about it, but they were not known
:30:23. > :30:27.widely within the organisation. Janet, you say there is a role for
:30:28. > :30:34.undercover operations, what do the parameters have to be? Doing to a
:30:35. > :30:39.job as a police officer, you are policing by consent. Even though
:30:40. > :30:44.they are doing an area of work which is vital to policing, they still
:30:45. > :30:48.have to come under the same regulations, they still have to be
:30:49. > :31:03.accountable and open to the public scrutiny. The whole question on this
:31:04. > :31:12.case, what will that do to trust, particularly in the black community?
:31:13. > :31:15.It is another knock-on effect of the trust and confidence within the
:31:16. > :31:22.black community. A lot of people say, this is no set prize. It does
:31:23. > :31:26.nothing to increase that trust and confidence -- this is no surprise.
:31:27. > :31:32.In the case of Alison who is bringing a case, can there ever be
:31:33. > :31:36.any justification for what happened to her? Personally, I do not think
:31:37. > :31:43.so but that is part of a much wider issue. That will be one thing you
:31:44. > :31:49.welcome, but how confident are you that finally the truth will out?
:31:50. > :31:57.From what happened with MacPherson, I'm very, very wary about what will
:31:58. > :32:01.happen now. The Metropolitan Police seemed to be always trying to hide
:32:02. > :32:06.what they are and put a different face out there all the time. I now
:32:07. > :32:11.feel that we will never be able to trust these people. Thank you very
:32:12. > :32:14.much indeed. Today Yulia Tymoshenko, the Ukranian
:32:15. > :32:17.leader recently released from jail, called on Europe to take a strong
:32:18. > :32:20.line over any attempt by Crimea to join Russia. She warned that
:32:21. > :32:24.otherwise Vladimir Putin would move to take over the rest of Ukraine.
:32:25. > :32:27.Her words were intended to galvanise today's emergency EU summit in
:32:28. > :32:33.Brussels, where it was decided to suspend talks with Russia on an
:32:34. > :32:37.economic pact and visa agreement. But the EU moves are far less
:32:38. > :32:42.stringent than actions taken by America, and some European members
:32:43. > :32:50.think Brussels needs to toughen up. Our diplomatic editor Mark Urban is
:32:51. > :32:57.in Brussels. On Brussels' Churchill Avenue,
:32:58. > :33:07.appeasement, -- appeasement's greatest oppose meant is honoured.
:33:08. > :33:14.Leading the charge to get health measures against Russia, Poland and
:33:15. > :33:19.the Baltic republics. Russia is not keeping at all its obligations,
:33:20. > :33:26.neither economic nor international agreements. If Europeans will be
:33:27. > :33:33.only talking, complaining or discussing, Russia is doing. At the
:33:34. > :33:39.centre of it is Ukraine's acting Prime Minister, here to lobby the
:33:40. > :33:43.big EU players who have so far failed to back meaningful sanctions
:33:44. > :33:49.against Russia, trying to impress on them the importance of this moment.
:33:50. > :33:53.We are really grateful to our European partners, to the heads of
:33:54. > :34:01.state, heads of government, for having these kind of talks with
:34:02. > :34:09.Ukrainian government, in order to stabilise the situation in Ukraine
:34:10. > :34:14.and fix this ongoing political, economic and military crisis. While
:34:15. > :34:19.they spoke, Russian deputies in Crimea, an autonomous region of
:34:20. > :34:24.Ukraine, tried to upstage the EU by voting to bring forward a referendum
:34:25. > :34:33.on joining Russia. All the time, thousands of Russian troops besieged
:34:34. > :34:38.Ukrainian bases in the territory. Some are pessimistic that situation
:34:39. > :34:45.can be reversed. No one can win if there are foreign ships which are
:34:46. > :34:50.going further and further. I do not know how realistic it is but at
:34:51. > :34:55.least we have to work for it. The meeting ended with an agreement on a
:34:56. > :35:01.3-phase approach, steps towards a new visa situation for Russians,
:35:02. > :35:04.giving Ukraine $15 billion aid package and a commitment to
:35:05. > :35:09.introduce sanctions such as travel bans and asset seizures against
:35:10. > :35:13.Russians, if they do step back. Do you think it will be possible to
:35:14. > :35:19.agree a swift transition into those measures if circumstances require
:35:20. > :35:23.it? First of all, I think Russia is more dependent on the European Union
:35:24. > :35:28.than the other way round. But I think yes, we are prepared to take a
:35:29. > :35:31.third step if we do not see a de-escalation in the conflict
:35:32. > :35:37.because I think we understand what is at stake here. We now have a
:35:38. > :35:41.Russian president, Russian country which actually excuses in fading
:35:42. > :35:45.another country, just by pointing at people saying we are Russians, we
:35:46. > :35:51.feel threatened. We cannot find these people but that is how they
:35:52. > :35:55.talk about it and that kind of reaction is in conflict with
:35:56. > :36:01.international law, with the security structure we have built up together
:36:02. > :36:07.since the end of the Cold War. So there are real stakes that we now
:36:08. > :36:11.need to meet. The EU's measures might be limited but they are more
:36:12. > :36:17.than many who arrived here this morning expected. The diplomats are
:36:18. > :36:21.of the view that external pressures, for example from Russian deputies in
:36:22. > :36:25.the Crimea, or from the White House announcing its own sanctions against
:36:26. > :36:29.Russia, may have tipped the balance and convinced the doubters led by
:36:30. > :36:36.Germany to sign up to this new package. Perhaps also the sense of
:36:37. > :36:41.that burden of history will influence their deliberations. David
:36:42. > :36:46.Cameron did not mention Churchill by name but he certainly alluded to his
:36:47. > :36:52.legacy. We know from our history that turning a blind eye when
:36:53. > :36:57.nations are trampled over, that stores up greater problems in the
:36:58. > :37:00.long run. With the leaders departed and Crimean referendum now ten days
:37:01. > :37:04.away, it is clear the moment could still be upon us when those
:37:05. > :37:08.additional sanctions agreed-upon today will either have to be
:37:09. > :37:13.implemented or shown up as so much waste paper.
:37:14. > :37:15.On Tuesday, Newsnight revealed the Government was suppressing a
:37:16. > :37:22.slightly embarrassing report on the impact of immigration on
:37:23. > :37:27.unemployment. And both Conservative and Lib Dem ministers have been
:37:28. > :37:36.trading blows on the issue. Chris Cook, our policy editor who broke
:37:37. > :37:39.the story, reports. It must have been an exhausting
:37:40. > :37:43.night for someone in these buildings. This morning, the Home
:37:44. > :37:48.Office and business department published a report into the impact
:37:49. > :37:52.of immigration on unemployment. Two days ago we were told it was an
:37:53. > :37:58.internal report, not intended for release. Yesterday, we were told it
:37:59. > :38:05.was not ready for publication. But this morning, by some miracle, it
:38:06. > :38:10.was published. So here it is. And it is nuanced. On the one hand, it
:38:11. > :38:15.shows immigration is not associated with a rise in unemployment among
:38:16. > :38:18.British people during normal times. That is irritating for the
:38:19. > :38:23.Conservatives who are trying to cut immigration. On the other hand, it
:38:24. > :38:26.does say that non-EU immigration during recession does create
:38:27. > :38:33.temporary unemployment among British people. That is irritating for the
:38:34. > :38:38.Lib Dems who are generally more relaxed about immigration. Will this
:38:39. > :38:43.document provides a foundation for a new coalition solidarity on
:38:44. > :38:47.immigration? Well... No. Vince Cable has made a number of statements
:38:48. > :38:54.about immigration in the last week and to be frank, a lot of them were
:38:55. > :38:58.simply incorrect. Wrong, wrong, wrong again. Not much nuance on
:38:59. > :39:04.display from the Immigration Minister this morning. How about his
:39:05. > :39:09.Home Office colleague Damian Green? We are two different parties in the
:39:10. > :39:16.coalition. We believe in controlling immigration, the Liberal Democrats
:39:17. > :39:19.appear to not believe in that. Not very friendly either. How is the
:39:20. > :39:24.Business Secretary Vince Cable feeling? I do not want to get into a
:39:25. > :39:30.personal argument with a junior colleague. I want to stick to facts.
:39:31. > :39:35.The fact is our two departments have published a report today which shows
:39:36. > :39:42.quite clearly that overall there is very little impact on migrant
:39:43. > :39:47.workers displacing British jobs when the economy is growing. There is
:39:48. > :39:52.research from UCL showing there is an effect on wages at the lower end
:39:53. > :39:57.from immigration. If you are one of the people affected by that, the
:39:58. > :40:02.fact that the national effect of that is quite small will not be much
:40:03. > :40:06.of a consolation will it? We have got to look at the facts. The
:40:07. > :40:11.evidence is such that does suggest that when we have had periods of
:40:12. > :40:16.very deep recession as we had in 2000 and nine and 2010, some British
:40:17. > :40:22.workers were displaced. We have to be honest and upfront about that.
:40:23. > :40:29.The negative effects do bear down on the unskilled. For that reason we do
:40:30. > :40:34.not argue for unlimited immigration. Are you more sympathetic to
:40:35. > :40:37.immigration by no Conservative colleagues because you think the
:40:38. > :40:41.researcher shown it is positive or because you are a liberal who thinks
:40:42. > :40:44.people should have self-determination? A lot of my
:40:45. > :40:49.Conservative colleagues agree with me, particular things like overseas
:40:50. > :40:52.students when they are worried that damage is being done to the British
:40:53. > :40:58.economy by excessive bureaucratic controls. I may have use as an
:40:59. > :41:02.individual on the subject and I am an economist and I like to think I
:41:03. > :41:07.understand economic data which is quite clear in this case, and I am
:41:08. > :41:11.actually arguing as head of a major government department, that is here
:41:12. > :41:16.to promote economic growth and recovery, and that includes having
:41:17. > :41:20.an open approach to good, skilled migrant workers and overseas
:41:21. > :41:24.students. That is the battle I am fighting. The indication is you
:41:25. > :41:30.might take a different view if you were at the Home Office. I do not
:41:31. > :41:34.criticise. Theresa May and James broke and try our colleagues in
:41:35. > :41:45.government. They interpret their job in a way which fits their
:41:46. > :41:50.departmental expertise. Today's report did not contain a killer fact
:41:51. > :41:54.for the opponents or supporters of immigration reform. It was supposed
:41:55. > :42:00.to settle arguments about the Labour impact on immigration. It did not
:42:01. > :42:06.manage that. And this is an area where the impact of immigration is
:42:07. > :42:09.relatively simple. Don't expect a coalition reconciliation on
:42:10. > :42:14.immigration any time soon. Chris joins us now. Where first of
:42:15. > :42:21.going to see the impact of that fault line. The European elections
:42:22. > :42:26.will be the next obvious place. The Conservatives and Lib Dems are
:42:27. > :42:30.slightly different in shaping themselves. Also remember that Nick
:42:31. > :42:35.Clegg will be debating with Nigel Farage the UKIP leader. One of the
:42:36. > :42:45.interesting things in this immigration reporters while there
:42:46. > :42:49.are substantial effects... Sorry, while there are significant findings
:42:50. > :42:55.relating to non-EU migration during a recession, one of this things that
:42:56. > :43:01.researchers can find is an impact on EU migration. If there is this
:43:02. > :43:08.debate between Clegg and Nigel Farage, the danger is Nigel Farage
:43:09. > :43:11.makes Liberal Democrats look weak on immigration, it then serves to make
:43:12. > :43:19.the Conservative look stronger which will not do Nigel Farage much good?
:43:20. > :43:24.Not at all. One of the things we put to Vince was whether we thought that
:43:25. > :43:29.he thought he was on the centre ground. He gave us a slightly feeble
:43:30. > :43:34.answer. Vince cable likes to bring things bubbling up to the surface
:43:35. > :43:37.and when he has got a bit of traction on it he sets things
:43:38. > :43:45.underground again. You No he was not keen to have this story rumbling on
:43:46. > :43:49.for a day or so. Will we now see the fault line on immigration carry us
:43:50. > :43:55.all the way to the general election? I do not think it will close up.
:43:56. > :44:00.There are serious philosophical differences. Reasonable people can
:44:01. > :44:06.differ about this. It is not just economics. There is also culture,
:44:07. > :44:15.religion and race even. Thank you. We do apologise for not being able
:44:16. > :44:18.to bring the Bitcoin story to you. Our line to America has gone down.
:44:19. > :44:36.We have tomorrow's front pages for you.
:44:37. > :44:44.In the Daily Telegraph, Baroness Lawrence addresses the House of
:44:45. > :44:45.Lords. And further down, the US sends six fighter jets to the
:44:46. > :45:12.Baltic. Just before we finish, we go back to
:45:13. > :45:17.the Daily Telegraph and a story there that actually, the Vicar of
:45:18. > :45:22.Diddley, Dawn French, is to deliver the thought for the Day on March the
:45:23. > :45:27.29th. That is it from us which was also a World Book Day. To celebrate,
:45:28. > :45:31.children across the country went to school dressed as their favourite
:45:32. > :45:35.literary characters. To honour all their parents' efforts, we thought
:45:36. > :45:38.the final note tonight should go to the children of Muswell Hill Primary
:45:39. > :46:21.School in North London. Good night. Hello, the rain will peter out.
:46:22. > :46:28.Brighter skies following. Let's take a closer look around. A cold wind
:46:29. > :46:33.across Northern Ireland. Particularly cold across Scotland.
:46:34. > :46:42.There are snow showers. Further south into northern England, Chile
:46:43. > :46:51.and the sunshine compensating. -- the winds are chilly. Not bad going
:46:52. > :46:56.for the early part of March. A lovely afternoon for south-west
:46:57. > :47:02.England. 12 degrees will feel quite pleasantly warm. More of a breeze in
:47:03. > :47:07.Wales taking the edge across the temperatures but quite a springlike
:47:08. > :47:14.day. Pleasant enough tomorrow once the sun breaks through.