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:00:10. > :00:12.Exchequer is going to make sure everyone has job.

:00:13. > :00:15.Exchequer is going to make sure exactly. The Government is aiming

:00:16. > :00:20.for full employment, but what on earth is it? Full employment in

:00:21. > :00:24.economics a situation in which all available labour resources are being

:00:25. > :00:27.used in the most economically efficient way. The Economic

:00:28. > :00:32.Secretary to the Treasury will doubtless have an even snappier

:00:33. > :00:36.decision. They were sold as ways to freedom, but are screens enslaving

:00:37. > :00:41.us. We sent a scientist to find out. You check it on an hourly, more than

:00:42. > :00:52.that basis, when you get up and before you go to bed. And... Hitler

:00:53. > :00:59.on ice. Hitler gags may be fair game for Mel Brooks, John close Clese and

:01:00. > :01:02.Charlie chaplain. Should Germans be encouraged to make them? This one

:01:03. > :01:11.does George Osborne has had a conversion,

:01:12. > :01:15.after years of telling us he will stop at nothing to plug the hole in

:01:16. > :01:20.the public's finances he announced today he's going to fight for full

:01:21. > :01:23.employment in Britain. His target is for this country to have the highest

:01:24. > :01:27.employment rate of any advanced economy. Another Tory Chancellor,

:01:28. > :01:33.Norman Lamont once said unemployment was a price well worth paying. No

:01:34. > :01:38.it's not, said Mr George Osborne today. What does this new ambition

:01:39. > :01:56.of his actually mean? We have been finding out. Busy, busy, busy, look

:01:57. > :02:01.the Chancellor wants you to know how many jobs he has made. And promises

:02:02. > :02:06.just pressing a few more buttons on his economic machine could make

:02:07. > :02:10.around one million more. A that's why today I'm making a new

:02:11. > :02:15.commitment, a commitment to fight for full employment in Britain.

:02:16. > :02:21.Making jobs a central goal of our economic plan. That was a retro

:02:22. > :02:25.promise of full employment, he said it twice in case you missed it. A

:02:26. > :02:31.modern approach to full employment means backing business. Surprised,

:02:32. > :02:35.well it has been quite a while since any Conservative Chancellor talked

:02:36. > :02:39.of full employment. And decades since it has been anything like what

:02:40. > :02:46.we would traditionally consider it to be. At Tilbury Docks where George

:02:47. > :02:53.Osborne came to make his new promise. In days of old he 3,000

:02:54. > :02:58.people had work, now it is just 800. We were told today some of those

:02:59. > :03:02.jobs are uncertain. Is anything like full employment realistic when mass

:03:03. > :03:06.employers are mostly gone. Even Beveridge didn't believe full

:03:07. > :03:13.employment meant zero. It was remarkably stable and low between

:03:14. > :03:17.1950 and the early 1970s, average unemployment was just 2%. Always

:03:18. > :03:24.under a million. By the 80s the picture was drastically changed,

:03:25. > :03:28.hitting 13% at its peak in 1982. Right now it is seven. 2%, but the

:03:29. > :03:38.downturn changed the jobs market forever. We have seen the big rise

:03:39. > :03:41.in self-employment, a greater number of part-time work We have a more

:03:42. > :03:46.flexible labour market than back then. The types of jobs we are

:03:47. > :03:51.seeing being created are more diverse and secure There are more

:03:52. > :03:58.jobs, but more shaky. Workers do less, their productivity is low, if

:03:59. > :04:01.we solved that problem job creation could slow down. Luckily the

:04:02. > :04:05.Chancellor's promise isn't quite what it says on the tin? George

:04:06. > :04:09.Osborne doesn't appear that bothered by the dictionary definition of full

:04:10. > :04:13.employment. His actual goal is Britain having the biggest share of

:04:14. > :04:17.people in work out of all our economic rivals. And although it is

:04:18. > :04:23.not a strict promise, it is an effort to focus the debate on jobs.

:04:24. > :04:28.Falling unemployment is one of the coalition's successes. And by using

:04:29. > :04:33.the former language of Gordon Brown, it is rather harder for Labour to

:04:34. > :04:38.answer back. Our aspiration now must be more than helping people to find

:04:39. > :04:43.work, regardless of its quality and prospects. But ensuring full and

:04:44. > :04:46.fulfilling employment by expanding employment and training

:04:47. > :04:52.opportunities for all. A deliberate contrast to the words of his Tory

:04:53. > :04:54.forebear, that did such damage. Rising unemployment and the

:04:55. > :05:00.recession have been the price that we have had to pay in order to get

:05:01. > :05:05.inflation down. But that is a price well worth paying. So what does that

:05:06. > :05:09.Chancellor make of his descendant's vow? It has always been the

:05:10. > :05:14.objective of Conservative Governments to minimise unemployment

:05:15. > :05:17.and maximise employment. But this is completely different to the type of

:05:18. > :05:20.language we have heard from the Conservatives for a long time, not

:05:21. > :05:24.least from you? What George Osborne is talking about, in a world that's

:05:25. > :05:30.completely different where inflation is below 2%, is maximising the game

:05:31. > :05:36.gain the Government already have established in gating jobs. What

:05:37. > :05:40.kind of rate do you think we might get to? I have no idea. Labour

:05:41. > :05:44.claims there is nothing new to see her, and there is a risk George

:05:45. > :05:48.Osborne will be judged more as job numbers rise and fall. But this new

:05:49. > :05:53.version of a promise made opponents in the past, suggests the Chancellor

:05:54. > :06:00.is brave or foolhardy enough to limit his own room for manoeuvre.

:06:01. > :06:04.We're joined now by the Conservative Economic Secretary to the Treasury,

:06:05. > :06:07.Nicky Morgan, what is full employment then? The Chancellor was

:06:08. > :06:12.saying today that what he wants is everybody in Britain who wants a job

:06:13. > :06:16.can get a job, and people on welfare are incentivised and supported to

:06:17. > :06:19.get off benefits and find a job too. So when did we last have full

:06:20. > :06:24.employment in this country? Well, I'm not sure we have ever had full

:06:25. > :06:28.employment. Ever? We can talk about the definitions about this per cent

:06:29. > :06:31.and that per cent, but the point is the Chancellor is setting out a

:06:32. > :06:34.clear strategy and ambition that we want people who want a job to find a

:06:35. > :06:39.job. This is a revolutionary thing he as aiming for, it has never

:06:40. > :06:47.occurred before? Well, we can argue the economists today has been argue

:06:48. > :06:53.beg -- arguing about definition, but we have the highest employment rate

:06:54. > :06:56.in the G7. He was using language losely today, at one point in the

:06:57. > :07:01.speech he said we will have more people working than any other

:07:02. > :07:06.country in the G7. That's absolute rubbish isn't it? That is the

:07:07. > :07:11.ambition. More people working than any other countries in the G7, you

:07:12. > :07:14.know the size of the work force here and the United States, it is

:07:15. > :07:17.completely impossible. It is the employment rate. He didn't say, that

:07:18. > :07:21.that is different? He did say it in the question and answer session.

:07:22. > :07:24.Maybe somebody should look at the drafting of his speeches. Do you

:07:25. > :07:28.think that would be a good idea? I wouldn't presume to tell the

:07:29. > :07:31.Chancellor how to draft his speech. Somebody should, that's not an

:07:32. > :07:35.accurate statement. He also said that there will be full employment

:07:36. > :07:39.if more jobs were being created here than in any of our competitors, did

:07:40. > :07:43.he mean that literally? Absolutely, the Chancellor is talking about

:07:44. > :07:47.wanting people, everyone who wants a job, he wants Britain to be the best

:07:48. > :07:55.place in the world to get and hold a job. But that's not the same as more

:07:56. > :07:59.jobs being created Health Authority than -- here than anywhere else? If

:08:00. > :08:02.you want a job you should have a job. That is something up and down

:08:03. > :08:10.the country people will be grateful to hear. Because bomb are people --

:08:11. > :08:13.people are looking for jobs. It is a new announcement to incentivise

:08:14. > :08:17.businesses and create jobs. So he's talking about a higher rate of

:08:18. > :08:21.employment. Employment in this country than in any of the other G 7

:08:22. > :08:26.nations. That is what he set out, yes. That would mean, would it not,

:08:27. > :08:30.that if this economy stagnated and others shrank he would achieve his

:08:31. > :08:35.goal? That is looking at it in a very negative way. It is but it is a

:08:36. > :08:41.possible interpretation? It is, but if you set out a clear positive

:08:42. > :08:44.ambition for people having work. You are very familiar with the

:08:45. > :08:47.unemployment figures, there are about two million students, about

:08:48. > :08:52.two million single parents or carers, there are about 1. 3 million

:08:53. > :08:55.early retirees. How are you going to get them back into work? The

:08:56. > :08:59.Chancellor will set out in his speech today, it is about people who

:09:00. > :09:02.want a job and who are on benefits looking for a job. There will be a

:09:03. > :09:05.number of people for whom working is not an option, caring

:09:06. > :09:11.responsibility, people between jobs, people who are #12UDying. So -- --

:09:12. > :09:18.studying. All the others how will you get them back to work? The

:09:19. > :09:23.policies we have announce today incentivise businesses to invest,

:09:24. > :09:27.but also the policies that were announced by Iain Duncan Smith and

:09:28. > :09:32.helping people who are unemployed to get back into work. These will be

:09:33. > :09:36.British jobs for British workers as we were famously told? We want

:09:37. > :09:39.people from all over the world from all companies to be based here in

:09:40. > :09:44.the UK. Many are moving back. We have seen a number of people

:09:45. > :09:48.re-shoring. But, yes, it is for people who have been long-term, we

:09:49. > :09:53.want them to have those jobs. So it is British jobs for British workers

:09:54. > :09:59.is it? The Chancellor has not said. It. We want the highest employment

:10:00. > :10:04.rate. The lion's share of the jobs could be taken by people from

:10:05. > :10:08.elsewhere? We can have a debate about inflation. I'm interested in

:10:09. > :10:15.understanding what the Chancellor is promising? He's saying we want to be

:10:16. > :10:18.the best place where people to have jobs and we will create these jobs.

:10:19. > :10:22.These jobs could be taken by people who have come from elsewhere? Of

:10:23. > :10:26.course, we have an open labour market, and the flexible labour

:10:27. > :10:30.market is key to the way we have weathered, with many difficulty, the

:10:31. > :10:34.great recession we have inherited. You want to cut the number of people

:10:35. > :10:37.coming to this country? Not just us, there are many people out in the

:10:38. > :10:41.country who have very strong views on immigration. You are the

:10:42. > :10:44.Government? We want people in this country to have the best possible

:10:45. > :10:48.skills, we want to attract businesses from overseas to be based

:10:49. > :10:52.here. We have already seen 1. 3 million private sector jobs created

:10:53. > :10:57.since the last election, that is three times the rate of job creation

:10:58. > :11:04.in the last couple of sessions. You want to cut immigration? We do. We

:11:05. > :11:08.also want businesses locating here and expanding here to know there is

:11:09. > :11:11.skilled work force to recruit from. What were portion of these jobs you

:11:12. > :11:20.will create will go to native workers and what proportion would

:11:21. > :11:23.roughly go to in comers? I won't make course casters, there was a

:11:24. > :11:29.separate immigration debate if you want that. I wondered how you were

:11:30. > :11:32.going to achieve the full employment? I have set out the

:11:33. > :11:36.policies that George Osborne has set out in the recent budget and Autumn

:11:37. > :11:42.Statement, about incentivising business to create those jobs.

:11:43. > :11:46.Making it attractive for businesses to take on the next employee. And

:11:47. > :11:49.the people who are on benefits to get the jobs and have the skills

:11:50. > :11:54.that employers are looking for. Thank you very much. Now, introduced

:11:55. > :11:59.by Labour, increased by the Conservatives, the question of how

:12:00. > :12:04.to pay for higher education looks about to burst back into the heart

:12:05. > :12:07.of political debate. After the fatuous attitude by the Liberal

:12:08. > :12:11.Democrats at the last election, all pledges on student fees should be

:12:12. > :12:18.take within a super tanker load of salt. But the Labour Party are

:12:19. > :12:23.offering hints on reducing fees, but the word "may" is the one to watch

:12:24. > :12:29.out for. What is messing everyone up is the people who received loans to

:12:30. > :12:33.recover the fees look unlikely to pay them. What happened to the

:12:34. > :12:38.revolution, you this Devil Woman had never been written. The student of

:12:39. > :12:44.the 1980s popular imagination used to look a bit like this. I hope you

:12:45. > :12:49.realise all this loafing around has affected one day of being incredibly

:12:50. > :12:53.rich. Feckless, time wasting, on hight genetic and broke. Three

:12:54. > :12:58.decades later they are still, for the most part, broke, but they are a

:12:59. > :13:02.lot angrier. Our nation has been littered with them, a trail of

:13:03. > :13:05.broken promises. The words that months later would haunt him, the

:13:06. > :13:10.politician who had promised students he was on their side, and ended up

:13:11. > :13:14.epitomising the problem. When the coalition proposed to triple the

:13:15. > :13:24.tuition fees in the first six months of parliament this is what happened.

:13:25. > :13:29.It was an unhe hadifying spectacle for students and politicians, and it

:13:30. > :13:34.taught both a valuable lesson. For students that they should never take

:13:35. > :13:38.at face value anything that those in power promised, and for politicians

:13:39. > :13:43.that they would underestimate the toxicity of this issue at their

:13:44. > :13:50.peril. Labour said then it would cut tuition fees to ?6,000 if it was in

:13:51. > :13:54.tour. Power. This week it said it wanted to go further, hinting at

:13:55. > :13:58.radical reform. The timing may be key because the Government has just

:13:59. > :14:02.admitted it got the numbers badly wrong. When the Government

:14:03. > :14:07.introduced the new tuition fees system, and increasing them to

:14:08. > :14:10.?9,000 a year. It estimated 30% of the value of the loans would not be

:14:11. > :14:13.repaid. So people wouldn't earn enough when they graduated. The

:14:14. > :14:17.subsidy the Government would need to give them would be about 30%, that

:14:18. > :14:21.has gone up in the latest estimates to 45%. So nearly one pound in every

:14:22. > :14:28.two that the Government lend it expect not to get back. That isn't

:14:29. > :14:39.sustainable in the long-term. This man was a leading voice on the

:14:40. > :14:44.review that the cap be raised, does -- accept that the system is broken?

:14:45. > :14:47.If the lowest-earning graduates aren't going to pay the full costs

:14:48. > :14:50.of higher education, and some can't pay anything at all the Government

:14:51. > :14:55.has to pick up the cost. It means it is an expensive system for the

:14:56. > :14:59.Government. That is the price we pay for hiving a high, well functioning

:15:00. > :15:03.system of our education. Labour has a number of ways to address the

:15:04. > :15:08.problem T could choose to cut tuition fees even further. It could

:15:09. > :15:15.lower the repayment threshold, currently ?21,000, so graduates pay

:15:16. > :15:19.it back. Or it could come up with an entirely new system, such as a

:15:20. > :15:22.graduate tax. We are looking for a long-term and sustainable and

:15:23. > :15:27.affordable model of funding. One of the difficulties with changes in

:15:28. > :15:30.policies like this is it doesn't provide that degree of stability to

:15:31. > :15:35.students, let alone universities. You have one cohort of students who

:15:36. > :15:39.will pay a certain amount through their graduate contributions. And

:15:40. > :15:43.another who will pay a totally different amount. It doesn't feel

:15:44. > :15:46.fair to the students that they are studying alongside each other and

:15:47. > :15:51.paying very different amounts. Labour knows that there is an

:15:52. > :15:57.electoral market in the disillusioned it accident. That --

:15:58. > :16:01.student. The direct appeal of cutting fees was to them. The party

:16:02. > :16:03.knows it has borrowed votes from the Liberal Democrats, since they came

:16:04. > :16:10.to power. It knows that radical reform to an unpopular policy could

:16:11. > :16:15.help retain them. Where there are promises there are pitfalls? If you

:16:16. > :16:20.bring the fees down to ?6,000, the Government lends less and borrows

:16:21. > :16:26.less so the debt falls. However you have to make up the rest in grants

:16:27. > :16:29.to universities, if you want them to get ?9,000, ?3,000 has to come from

:16:30. > :16:35.public spending. In the short-term it adds to your deficit, turning a

:16:36. > :16:40.loan into public spending. Labour's hungry for this bright, new voter,

:16:41. > :16:43.but it knows its fiscal credibility will be key between now and the

:16:44. > :16:48.writing of the next manifesto, expect to hear every variation of

:16:49. > :16:53.idea. The one message it can't afford to the send the electorate

:16:54. > :17:07.too late is the one that simply says "I'm sorry". With us now is David

:17:08. > :17:11.Wiletts and the last Labour Government minister on innovation

:17:12. > :17:15.and skills. How close are you to accepting the system doesn't work?

:17:16. > :17:20.It does work, graduates repay, students don't pay up front, it

:17:21. > :17:23.delivers high-quality teaching, well-funded universities, ensuring

:17:24. > :17:29.students have better classes and labs. It is the case, is it not that

:17:30. > :17:34.you were expecting perhaps 28-30% of the students weren't able to repay

:17:35. > :17:39.their loans s that correct? Is that the working assumption? Every time

:17:40. > :17:42.there is a new earnings forecast we recalculate the repayments over 30

:17:43. > :17:48.years. It is true as earnings have not grown as much as was originally

:17:49. > :17:51.forecast the ?21,000 repayment threshold has become higher. People

:17:52. > :17:57.are expecting currently less to be repaid. What we are basically doing

:17:58. > :18:00.here is forecasting an income tax receipt over the next 30 years.

:18:01. > :18:04.Every six months in ray cordance to the rules we produce a new forecast

:18:05. > :18:12.and it will carry on changing. Because of the changes in

:18:13. > :18:16.employment. The figure is about 45%. That is the current estimate. I have

:18:17. > :18:21.warned it will change. What makes it unviable? You have a glad wit

:18:22. > :18:25.repayment -- graduate repayment scheme. And part of the scheme is if

:18:26. > :18:31.graduates have low earnings they don't replay. That was clear from

:18:32. > :18:34.the start? The exact calculation of how much they will pay will vary, as

:18:35. > :18:40.earnings forecasts change. At what point does it become unviable? I

:18:41. > :18:44.think this is a sol individual system. There is a big, there is an

:18:45. > :18:52.answer to this, you must have done the sums? I'm telling you all three

:18:53. > :18:57.political parties when faced with the challenge of repairing the

:18:58. > :19:02.education came one this model. You haven't given me a number yet? I

:19:03. > :19:05.don't think there is a number that answers your question. We have a

:19:06. > :19:11.graduate repayment scheme. If we did as Labour are envisaging and went

:19:12. > :19:19.down to ?6,000, you would write off all the money, you have to find an

:19:20. > :19:24.extra pound ?3,000 to pay off the universities as a grant. Let's speak

:19:25. > :19:29.to the man who used to sit in the seat you currently occupy. He seems

:19:30. > :19:32.to enjoy sit ago I cross from you. You have been writing a report for

:19:33. > :19:36.the Labour Party? I have been writing the report and I hope the

:19:37. > :19:45.Labour Party will take it seriously. At what point do you think the

:19:46. > :19:52.system sun viable. The situation we are in where the taxpayer borrows

:19:53. > :20:00.?10 billion and writes off ?4. It would be better to borrow the money

:20:01. > :20:03.and teach. Fees would fall and the universities would have much money

:20:04. > :20:08.and graduates should pay back less. We should have the courage in my

:20:09. > :20:12.view to switch from borrowing and cancelling money to spend money on

:20:13. > :20:17.teaching students. Does Ed Miliband like this idea? He's listening, as

:20:18. > :20:21.others are to what I'm proposing. They are listening to other people

:20:22. > :20:24.with other model, we will have to see. What is clear in the last few

:20:25. > :20:33.days is an appetite in the Labour Party for saying let's move in daven

:20:34. > :20:38.direction. I think that is important and we have a way to go. This isn't

:20:39. > :20:44.working brilliantly? What I don't understand in John's model, he talks

:20:45. > :20:51.about the loans written off as if it is wasted money. But the ?9,000 fee

:20:52. > :20:56.is all going to the education of the student. The student is getting more

:20:57. > :21:03.funding behind his or her education than before we brought in the

:21:04. > :21:06.system. We have students getting education for lower cost. I have

:21:07. > :21:09.been able to show you can produce exactly the same amount of income

:21:10. > :21:15.for universities as they have at the moment. But the Government on behalf

:21:16. > :21:19.of the taxpayer borrows less money and graduates have lower fees. It is

:21:20. > :21:24.a ridiculous level of waste in the system at the moment, wasteful of

:21:25. > :21:29.public spending and wasteful for the graduates paying over the odds for

:21:30. > :21:33.fees. No gut in university income. I don't think it is a waste to say if

:21:34. > :21:36.you have low earnings you don't pay. Every six nineties with a new

:21:37. > :21:39.earning forecast, exactly that change. It is what makes it

:21:40. > :21:45.progressive. If you have low earnings you don't repay. That was

:21:46. > :21:48.one of the learns. The film you showed of the students protesting, I

:21:49. > :21:53.think they thought if they were in low paid jobs they would be

:21:54. > :21:58.repaying. It is only when you earn ?21,000. If the fee is lower you pay

:21:59. > :22:02.less money back, there is a the whole point. I would rather have a

:22:03. > :22:07.system where students paid lower fees but a bigger percentage of the

:22:08. > :22:15.fee back. Your system started out as a way of trying to save public money

:22:16. > :22:18.and it has failed to do that? ? You still get the same income to

:22:19. > :22:25.universities. What you have done is switch money from the waste of debt

:22:26. > :22:28.cancellation into teaching. So the Government gives the money directly

:22:29. > :22:33.to the university? Instead of the taxpayer borrowing a huge amount of

:22:34. > :22:40.money and writing it off. The taxpayer borrows less money and goes

:22:41. > :22:48.straight to the university. There is maintenance grants to help students

:22:49. > :22:53.that they might be happy with that. Fees fall so much that a low income

:22:54. > :23:01.student ends up at the end of their degree with just as much money to

:23:02. > :23:04.live on but a lower overall debt. Provided each individual student

:23:05. > :23:09.knows they have just as much money to live on but a lower overall debt

:23:10. > :23:15.they are better off. That is counting fees as if it is the same

:23:16. > :23:20.as maintenance. We have Ed Miliband saying when he was wanting election

:23:21. > :23:23.said he would have a tax. We have fees with black hole in the finance,

:23:24. > :23:26.we have John with his interest wheeze different from the other two

:23:27. > :23:30.I don't know what it is that Labour are proposing, but I know what we

:23:31. > :23:34.are offering. Better-funded universities, with a fair repayment

:23:35. > :23:40.scheme. Can I ask you, are the universities asking you for the

:23:41. > :23:44.limit to be raised? They are there are always universities, well

:23:45. > :23:50.universities come to see me and obviously they all say they need

:23:51. > :23:53.more money. What I say is ?9,000 is enough to educate a student in

:23:54. > :23:58.Britain today. It is a fair deal apart from the high-cost subjects

:23:59. > :24:03.which cost more and for them with adding the fund to go meet the extra

:24:04. > :24:07.cost, indeed George Osborne in his Autumn Statement found extra money.

:24:08. > :24:13.Let me ask you a financial question too, there is talk about Labour

:24:14. > :24:17.bringing in a cap of say ?6,000 or ?6,000, we will find out later this

:24:18. > :24:23.week. Should Labour go further? What in what way? Do you think a cap of

:24:24. > :24:28.?6,000 is all right, or ?4,000? This is as you gathered through the

:24:29. > :24:33.conversation a complicated system. But if you maximise the amount of

:24:34. > :24:37.money you take out of debt cancellation and agency fees you can

:24:38. > :24:41.bring it below ?6,000. It is slightly odd the system, the more

:24:42. > :24:45.you make of big change the better it works. Trying to make changes at the

:24:46. > :24:49.top costs a lot of public money. You can make a big change and I think we

:24:50. > :24:56.should, but we will have to see what the Labour Party decides. There

:24:57. > :25:01.comes a point when you have heard so many warnings of apocalypse that

:25:02. > :25:08.there is a good chance of diminishing returns kicking in. The

:25:09. > :25:13.scientists are more certain than every and the world solution. That

:25:14. > :25:19.doesn't mean the apocalypse is any more likely to aright. The The

:25:20. > :25:23.international panel of on climate change said it has human causes and

:25:24. > :25:28.average temperatures rise and so does sea levels. In a noticeable

:25:29. > :25:33.shift from previous reports, as well as encouraging politicians to cut

:25:34. > :25:39.greenhouse gas, the authors say some changes are along the way we have to

:25:40. > :25:44.adapt to. What does that mean? Will it work for everyone? Who will pay

:25:45. > :25:59.for it. We report on a tale of two nation. This is what climate change

:26:00. > :26:06.adaptation looks like. In the wilds of Exmoor a scheme to stop the

:26:07. > :26:13.flooding we are experiencing. They are blocking up drainage dishes, the

:26:14. > :26:23.plan is to capture rainfall in the bog and Moss that created it. This

:26:24. > :26:30.Moss scores 20-tim its own weight in water. Every drop up here doesn't

:26:31. > :26:37.end up in a flood downstream. We estimate when the restoration is

:26:38. > :26:43.complete there is 6,000 Olympic swimming pools will be initially

:26:44. > :26:50.stored up here. We can improve warming too. Here in Cranfield

:26:51. > :26:57.university, they have created arch fish mini-fields and switched on the

:26:58. > :27:03.rain. In the plot on the let the soil has been compacted by farm

:27:04. > :27:10.reasonably. Compacted fields contribute to flooding. We have to

:27:11. > :27:15.smart about managing soils and land. And good soil management is the key

:27:16. > :27:19.to the rainfall events, and reduce the impact of the flooding we have

:27:20. > :27:24.been HACHLTH It may not be marketed that way, about adaptation is under

:27:25. > :27:28.way in many parts of the UK. Over in East London, for example, is the

:27:29. > :27:37.Thames Barrier, it is a classic piece of hard engineering,

:27:38. > :27:42.adaptation to climate change. Today work started on dredging the River

:27:43. > :27:46.Parrot. Like many strategies protection against climate change is

:27:47. > :27:58.part of a package of benefits. A rich nation like the UK have the

:27:59. > :28:05.business adaptation well. Unlike Bangladesh, I visited these rues

:28:06. > :28:12.fleeing from floods in the countryside. TRANSLATION: My sister

:28:13. > :28:17.left her baby on the bed, she came back to see and the baby was gone.

:28:18. > :28:22.The baby was swashed away and later on we found the body. Adaptation is

:28:23. > :28:29.advanced in Bangladesh, it has to be. This British aid scheme helped

:28:30. > :28:34.people on an island to build a platform to raise their homes. New

:28:35. > :28:40.cyclone centres on the coast have saved thousands of lives. Now flood

:28:41. > :28:49.tolerant rice has been developed. But the sea water is making farmland

:28:50. > :28:53.unusable. Almost anybody you talk to in Bangladesh is familiar to the

:28:54. > :28:57.project and will talk about how unjust it is that the bigger

:28:58. > :29:00.countries are doing this. There is a strong feeling of injustice involved

:29:01. > :29:05.in this. If we could move these people from the water's edge to

:29:06. > :29:10.decent homes inland, we would improve their lives and adapt to

:29:11. > :29:14.climate change. The win-win lauded in today's report. It takes money

:29:15. > :29:19.that Bangladesh doesn't have. Where I feel disappointed is the global

:29:20. > :29:23.leaders to have responsibility to reduce emissions so we don't have

:29:24. > :29:28.the catastrophic impacts predicted in this report of the IPCC,

:29:29. > :29:34.hopefully this report will ring alarm bells cloud enough to hear and

:29:35. > :29:41.they will get over the deafness they seem to be expecting. The new parity

:29:42. > :29:45.in the UN report of adaptation alongside emissions cuts is a

:29:46. > :29:51.striking shift. Some willing with come its pragmatisim, and others say

:29:52. > :29:56.it lets rich nations off the hook. It is a constant complaint from

:29:57. > :29:59.parents as they watch their teenagers fingers engaged in

:30:00. > :30:05.conversations with unseen others, you are addict to that thing! And

:30:06. > :30:09.privately plenty of adults too wonder if there might genuinely be

:30:10. > :30:18.an element of addiction in their devotion to social networks or

:30:19. > :30:22.on-screen gaming. We asked a psychology what they made of it.

:30:23. > :30:28.Through smartphone, apps and laptops, technology influences

:30:29. > :30:34.almost every aspect of our lives. We are engaged politically, socially

:30:35. > :30:36.and emotionally 24-hours a day, because of the technology

:30:37. > :30:42.revolution. Our digital lives are just as full on as real world lives.

:30:43. > :30:48.But the fear is that this new digital way of life, that we are all

:30:49. > :30:53.exposed to, is in reality powerfully and dangerously addictive. For me

:30:54. > :30:57.this is one of the most important issues concerning mental health.

:30:58. > :31:00.However, in our overly diagnostic world, before we push to

:31:01. > :31:04.memberedically label yet another one of our behaviours. I need to be

:31:05. > :31:11.convinced, is there really something to fear. Is there something truly

:31:12. > :31:18.inherently addicted about modern technology? Technology is so

:31:19. > :31:24.immeshed in life, that it is becoming difficult to tell what is

:31:25. > :31:28.normal use and what is obsessive and dangerous use. I'm meeting

:31:29. > :31:35.self-confessed heavy users, are they addicts. How often are you using it

:31:36. > :31:39.defer day? Pretty much -- every day. Pretty much all the time, I couldn't

:31:40. > :31:43.tell you the amount of times I'm checking Facebook. I do too, even if

:31:44. > :31:50.I'm board, you look straight at what people are doing it. You check it on

:31:51. > :31:57.ran hourly basis, before you go to bed and after you get up. We are

:31:58. > :32:10.going to see if they get rid of all data. It starts with deleting the

:32:11. > :32:14.apps from their phones. I'm going to do it too, I feel I'm going to be

:32:15. > :32:19.disconnected and I can't spy on my kids! It is definitely going to be

:32:20. > :32:22.difficult to give it up. There is a difference between the annoyance of

:32:23. > :32:26.losing a useful and enjoyable tool, and the physical and mental anguish

:32:27. > :32:33.that comes from giving up something truly addictive. Most addictions in

:32:34. > :32:40.the classic sense, such as to drugs, have a physical dimension, linked to

:32:41. > :32:44.our inbuilt rewards system. So the rewards system in the brain is both

:32:45. > :32:49.about pleasure and about motivation, so when we do certain behaviours

:32:50. > :32:55.like eating, drinking and sex, natural chemicals are released that

:32:56. > :32:59.both help us enjoy those behaviours but also motivate us to do them

:33:00. > :33:04.again and again and again. This scam shows the rewards system in action,

:33:05. > :33:12.areas of the brain that are flooded with the dopamine, the key element

:33:13. > :33:17.of the rewards system. Recreational drugs stimulate massive reward

:33:18. > :33:21.response, and the combined buzz and motivation is for some, powerfully

:33:22. > :33:27.addicted. But this scan is actually not taken from a recreational drug

:33:28. > :33:32.user, it is taken from a gambler. We are seeing a response in the rewards

:33:33. > :33:38.system, a smaller one, but nevertheless a response from a

:33:39. > :33:43.purely behavioural activity. It is It is one of the reasons why problem

:33:44. > :33:46.gambling became one of the first memberedically recognised addictions

:33:47. > :33:50.in 2013. Early studies are beginning to see the same response with

:33:51. > :33:57.technology. Particularly when we look at internet gaming. Could that

:33:58. > :34:06.response lead dictive-like behaviour. This scientist believes

:34:07. > :34:16.it can. The gaming industry is adept with reward levels and dope in

:34:17. > :34:20.dopamine hits. Especially if you have done something that gives you a

:34:21. > :34:24.hit. Of course if you have it flowing through you, you want more

:34:25. > :34:30.of it. Can you give me a few examples of negative outcomes?

:34:31. > :34:38.Simply attendance at school tends fog, -- to go. Family life is

:34:39. > :34:42.affected because they are not participating or coming down for

:34:43. > :34:48.meals. When it gets really bad what are they doing to resist the

:34:49. > :34:52.parental experience? I have had situations of knives being pulled on

:34:53. > :34:55.parents because they are take ago I way their gaming advice. It is a

:34:56. > :35:00.minefield to parent through that. Gaming addiction is the focus of

:35:01. > :35:03.research to decide if it should join problem gambling as a recognised

:35:04. > :35:09.condition. What about other elements of the feck neology revolution.

:35:10. > :35:13.Where is the addictive trigger is something like social networking.

:35:14. > :35:17.Many point to the ability to change the mood, the emotional boost and

:35:18. > :35:22.sense of self-worth we get from peers, liking, sharing and

:35:23. > :35:29.retweeting that we post. Then there is the thrill of finding if we have

:35:30. > :35:36.found out we have had those comments, and driving us to log in

:35:37. > :35:43.and keep posting. It may be be why social networking is so important.

:35:44. > :35:47.But there isn't enough research to say anything. What is more important

:35:48. > :35:55.is why the heavy use becomes addictive behaviour. Mark grief

:35:56. > :36:02.faiths has been -- Griffiths who has been studying this for 25 years. My

:36:03. > :36:06.argument is technology enhances and facilitates the vulnerability. It is

:36:07. > :36:10.not to demonise the Internet, most of us use it and it is a positive

:36:11. > :36:15.thing in our lives. One of the things I want to stress is doing

:36:16. > :36:21.something a lot doesn't necessarily mean it is problematic. Genuine

:36:22. > :36:25.internet addiction I would put it one tenth of a certificate. I hear

:36:26. > :36:30.parents say there is nothing I can do the kid is an addict. If you put

:36:31. > :36:35.the kid in front there is no way it is an addict. Can you understand why

:36:36. > :36:45.there is an urge to memberedically label behaviour, particularly for

:36:46. > :36:48.parents. Parents might use a label to justify or try to explain the

:36:49. > :36:53.behaviour they are doing. Every week I get e-mails and without fail, from

:36:54. > :37:01.parents, saying that my son or daughter is addicted to Facebook or

:37:02. > :37:05.playing World of War craft. They will e-mail and say they are

:37:06. > :37:09.watching three hours a day, I would say that is normal, is it affecting

:37:10. > :37:13.their education or childhood friendships. If it is no to all

:37:14. > :37:19.those questions to me it is not something parents see as a problem.

:37:20. > :37:26.They need to take it on board that kids do this these days. How have

:37:27. > :37:38.the heavy users fared, have they struggled to give up social media.

:37:39. > :37:43.Did you manage to lapse or relapse? I didn't. A few urges but didn't act

:37:44. > :37:46.on it. It has been refreshing to realise I could get rid of Facebook.

:37:47. > :37:51.It took a little while. Now it is OK, but in the mornings, I still

:37:52. > :37:56.check my phone. There is nothing to do and where's Facebook and Twitter.

:37:57. > :38:02.It doesn't sound like it has been too give for you really. I have to

:38:03. > :38:07.admit something to you all. You guys are in your early 20s, I'm in my

:38:08. > :38:15.late 40s, I cracked. Obviously I'm just completely beyond help. I just

:38:16. > :38:19.missed that kind of -- breadth of connection, and I felt incred below

:38:20. > :38:22.disconnect #D. Even simply from my own experience, it is clear that

:38:23. > :38:28.technology can have a powerful hold on us. But by labelling it as an I

:38:29. > :38:32.diction, before we really understand the processes at work. We run the

:38:33. > :38:38.risk of removing our own responsibility for how we use

:38:39. > :38:43.technology. We are going through massive change in the way we live

:38:44. > :38:48.our lives, because of this huge technological revolution. There are

:38:49. > :38:52.those vulnerable and addicted to new pleasurable behaviours. We have a

:38:53. > :38:56.duty of care. This is about adaptation, it is about

:38:57. > :38:59.understanding our behaviour, not panicking about change and taking

:39:00. > :39:03.personal responsibility. Responsibility as parent,

:39:04. > :39:10.responsibility as individuals and as society as a whole. Could Adolf

:39:11. > :39:19.Hitler have cut it as a stand-up comic. Apparently so if we are to

:39:20. > :39:27.take a hugely successful comic novel does. Look Who's Back, imagine

:39:28. > :39:33.Hitler on the loose and picked up by a concert promoter. German humour is

:39:34. > :39:38.no laughing matter, but if they can see the funny side in his bone

:39:39. > :39:51.headed offensiveness, is something changed. The Brits have been

:39:52. > :40:16.fascinated by Hitler. I had do the funny walk. Hitler on ice! Hiel

:40:17. > :40:23.myself, Hiel to me. I am # I'm the crowd Kraut out to change

:40:24. > :40:26.history # Heil myself

:40:27. > :40:45.# There is no greater dictator in the land.

:40:46. > :40:55.Can you guess which one of those was the advertisment for the book Look

:40:56. > :40:59.Who's Back. I have the author and a German author and journalist working

:41:00. > :41:07.in the UK. What do you think the success of this book tells us about

:41:08. > :41:12.Germany? It is hard to say. Obviously I have to, I think it is

:41:13. > :41:17.something new for Germans. Mostly. Because I think it is telling the

:41:18. > :41:22.story of Hitler, without telling what you should think of it. You

:41:23. > :41:25.should have your own opinion and this is something unusual for

:41:26. > :41:35.Germans, I think. What is your feeling about it? Well I read the

:41:36. > :41:40.book, I felt it wasn't as successful as the other examples we have seen.

:41:41. > :41:46.The difference for me is if you look at monthity python, the produce --

:41:47. > :41:51.Monty Python, if you look at this book it is not really making fun of

:41:52. > :41:56.Hitler, I'm not sure if it is meant to be a social satire or critque. It

:41:57. > :42:01.wasn't clear who the butt of the joke was, but it was. For the

:42:02. > :42:08.feeling that we are ridiculing the Nazis and there by taking them down

:42:09. > :42:13.a peg or something. I didn't get it. What was the intention? Having fun

:42:14. > :42:18.righting it, but quite soon I in theed that it was something

:42:19. > :42:24.different, it was not making fun of Hitler, of course, it was just

:42:25. > :42:30.showing his thoughts and showing the funny conflict with the MoD he were

:42:31. > :42:38.society and the difficulties in finding out who he was. -- modern

:42:39. > :42:45.society and the difficulties of finding out who he was. There is a

:42:46. > :42:49.danger embarking on that sort of enterprise when it can be seen it is

:42:50. > :42:56.diminishing the terrible things he did. He don't ever deny anything he

:42:57. > :43:01.did. He is constantly throughout the whole book telling you he is doing

:43:02. > :43:08.the same things again. Whatever he is doing in this book is in reaching

:43:09. > :43:14.these old goals again. He makes no secret of this. Does he engage with

:43:15. > :43:20.the Holocaust in your book? Of course, why shouldn't he. Why should

:43:21. > :43:24.he deny T it is East proud of it, of -- he's proud of it of course. You

:43:25. > :43:28.know it is the real Hitler and he will do it again. That is the scary

:43:29. > :43:38.part in the book. Do you think it is easy for Germans to laugh at Hitler?

:43:39. > :43:43.I'm German and it is easy to laugh at it. The way the Holocaust has

:43:44. > :43:48.trothed, for me that was one of the real problems I had with it, there

:43:49. > :43:53.is a scene where the fictional Hitler speaks to an elderly

:43:54. > :43:57.Holocaust survivor, whose entire family perished in the Holocaust,

:43:58. > :44:03.her granddaughter is a secretary, he goes to see this elderly laid year,

:44:04. > :44:07.we hear it from the fictional Hitler perspective, he says after he told

:44:08. > :44:11.her that her granddaughter was such great assistant and praised her, she

:44:12. > :44:15.came around and she was fine with it. I felt in the scene who is the

:44:16. > :44:19.butt of the joke who is shown as gullible. We are being encourage

:44:20. > :44:24.today laugh at the elderly Holocaust survivor. When there are living

:44:25. > :44:31.Holocaust survivors we could be listening to instead telling their

:44:32. > :44:36.stories. It wasn't so much as are we allowed to laugh at Hitler, it was

:44:37. > :44:40.more like who are we encourage today laugh at here. I know the scene you

:44:41. > :44:48.are talking about, most people in that scene are expecting something.

:44:49. > :44:51.Because the readers are the only ones knowing this is the real

:44:52. > :44:55.Hitler. We are expecting this grandmother is take up the fight

:44:56. > :45:01.instead of us. We are hoping she will do some resistance and show us

:45:02. > :45:06.some sign of resistance, because we could close the book, or we should,

:45:07. > :45:12.but we hope too much of this grandmother because for her it is

:45:13. > :45:16.not the real Hitler, there is no such thing as time travelling. She

:45:17. > :45:24.hasn't the advantage we have as a reader. That wasn't my expectation

:45:25. > :45:29.as well, I wanted to find one drawn well Jewish character in the book.

:45:30. > :45:33.I'm a Jew from North London, I didn't have expectation as what she

:45:34. > :45:39.should say or take up as a fight. I thought just like a person, and we

:45:40. > :45:43.have this person who appears for one stage and made to represent. It was

:45:44. > :45:50.almost reading it as if the author decides there should be one

:45:51. > :45:55.confrontation between Hitler victor and Holocaust victim. We don't know

:45:56. > :46:02.anything about her. The second thing is quite right, the first part I

:46:03. > :46:08.think it is difficult. The narrator is Hitler himself. You wouldn't

:46:09. > :46:13.expect a fully pledged Jewish character telling the story. Maybe

:46:14. > :46:39.it is not the problem it might be the limitation of the form.

:46:40. > :46:51.This is the youth orchestra from Japan, performing at the south bang

:46:52. > :46:53.this week, to raise awareness about the nuclear power station. Here they

:46:54. > :47:56.are playing a piece called home. Good evening, but I think Tuesday is

:47:57. > :47:57.going to be a