:00:00. > :00:12.Mysterious, deadly and terrifying. What is the Ebole virus? The current
:00:13. > :00:16.outbreak is suspected of killing at least 87 people in Africa in the
:00:17. > :00:23.most horrific way imaginable. How did it happen?
:00:24. > :00:27.The virus is its worst enemy because it is a virulent virus. It kills
:00:28. > :00:32.people soon after infection and doesn't really have a chance to
:00:33. > :00:37.transmit from person to person. And this... Dream of owning a home,
:00:38. > :00:40.but need a little help? Introducing Help to Buy a new Government scheme
:00:41. > :00:43.for people like you. Help to Buy celebrates its first
:00:44. > :00:48.birthday with a dangerously overheating housing market. We'll
:00:49. > :00:53.ask the Housing Minister if he is relaxed about that.
:00:54. > :00:58.What do UKIP councillors do for their day jobs? In the corner of the
:00:59. > :01:03.Fens that will be forever England, we discover what happens when UKIP
:01:04. > :01:10.gets a whiff of power. And from Ukraine, performers and
:01:11. > :01:18.protestors, the Bloom Twins. # You can fool some people sometimes
:01:19. > :01:26.# You can fool all the people all the time #
:01:27. > :01:34.Don't shake hands. Don't kiss and definitely don't have sex. The
:01:35. > :01:40.public health advice in one of the countries affected is strict.
:01:41. > :01:43.Understandably, for the outbreak of Ebola virus infections in West
:01:44. > :01:47.Africa is the stuff of horror movies. No one knows quite how it
:01:48. > :01:54.first strikes, but it seems to come from out of the jungle and may be
:01:55. > :01:57.related to eating bushmeat. There is no known cure and a high proportion
:01:58. > :02:01.of victims die terrible deaths as blood pours from their veins and
:02:02. > :02:07.then from their bowels and bladders, mouths and noses. Some cry blood.
:02:08. > :02:10.All are in great pain. Suspected cases have been found in Sierra
:02:11. > :02:13.Leone and Liberia, but the majority including 83 deaths in the current
:02:14. > :02:14.outbreak have been concentrated in poverty-stricken, thug-infested
:02:15. > :02:30.Guinea. Jim Reed reports. This simple is one of the most
:02:31. > :02:34.deadly. Discovered the Ebola virus can kill nine out of ten of those
:02:35. > :02:39.unlucky enough to catch it. And for the first time, it has been found in
:02:40. > :02:42.the West African nation of Guinea. Dozens of staff from Medecins Sans
:02:43. > :02:46.Frontieres are now on the ground trying to contain this outbreak. The
:02:47. > :02:52.medical charity is calling it unprecedented in scale.
:02:53. > :02:57.What is really worrying doctors is the spread in this case. Normally
:02:58. > :03:02.contained in remote villages, it has moved into larger towns. 55 have
:03:03. > :03:08.died and 11 people have been infected in the port and capital.
:03:09. > :03:11.There are seven suspected cases in neighbouring Liberia and health
:03:12. > :03:16.authorities fear it may have spread to Sierra Leone to the south,
:03:17. > :03:23.Senegal has closed its land border to all traffic. When Ebola hits it
:03:24. > :03:27.is in an isolated village and this is good and bad. For the people
:03:28. > :03:31.there, this means almost certain death because there is little chance
:03:32. > :03:37.that any medical care can get in there, but it has, it contains the
:03:38. > :03:41.virus to some extent. In the urban areas of Guinea, we are talking
:03:42. > :03:49.about the one capital city, probably a quart of the people in the country
:03:50. > :03:54.live there and they live in den site. Ten meters there would be
:03:55. > :03:58.someone else in the capital. It is easy to be in close contact and we
:03:59. > :04:06.need close contact to transmit the viruses. Ebola was identified in
:04:07. > :04:12.1976 in a remote part. The virus is common in bats, antelopes and
:04:13. > :04:15.monkeys. It may have spread to human with close contact with animals,
:04:16. > :04:20.probably through the bushmeat trade. When someone is infected, they stand
:04:21. > :04:25.little chance of survival. After a week-long incubation period, there
:04:26. > :04:29.are flu-like symptoms and vomiting and diarrhoea and internal bleeding.
:04:30. > :04:33.When humans are infected they become very sick and many times they die
:04:34. > :04:36.and they transmit it maybe to a family member too, but the family
:04:37. > :04:40.stays away. They know that something is wrong and tran mission stops --
:04:41. > :04:45.transmission stops. When a virus gets into a hospital setting, and
:04:46. > :04:49.practises are not as they should be when needles are not sterilised
:04:50. > :04:53.properly and when health workers are careless, it can spread to health
:04:54. > :04:56.workers and to other patients and from those patients and health
:04:57. > :05:02.workers out to family members and into the community. So hospitals
:05:03. > :05:05.really amplify the transmission of this virus in a setting where
:05:06. > :05:11.practises are not what they should be. This Ebola virus is emerging
:05:12. > :05:15.from a cell. This disease is so deadly that scientists describe it
:05:16. > :05:21.as its own worst enemy, killing infected patients before it can be
:05:22. > :05:26.passed on. There is no cure. And no working vaccine. Right now, though,
:05:27. > :05:31.the main thing that's stopping a vaccine or more development is it is
:05:32. > :05:34.economic. These outbreaks are happening in a part of the world
:05:35. > :05:39.where there is not a lot of money and there isn't a bit
:05:40. > :05:43.pharmaceuticals and it mate cost hundreds of -- may cost hundreds of
:05:44. > :05:46.millions of pounds to develop a vaccine, who is going to spend that
:05:47. > :05:51.money and how are they going to get it back? It is something that not
:05:52. > :05:54.one company, but the world needs to tackle in one go. The World Health
:05:55. > :05:59.Organization said today it is too early to call this an epidemic and
:06:00. > :06:04.the main area of infection remains localised. In Guinea, buckets of
:06:05. > :06:08.disinfectant stand outside family homes and airlines have cancelled
:06:09. > :06:13.flights. For millions, in parts of West Africa, the fear of this
:06:14. > :06:21.individual suss is as -- virus is as contagious as the illness itself.
:06:22. > :06:24.With me are Paul Goa Zoumanigui, Guinea's ambassador to the UK,
:06:25. > :06:28.Professor Jeremy Farrar, Director of the Wellcome Trust and one of the
:06:29. > :06:30.world's leading figures in the field of infectious diseases and in
:06:31. > :06:35.Brussels is Meinie Nicolai, President of Medecins Sans
:06:36. > :06:39.Frontieres in Belgium. Her team are in Guinea trying to contain the
:06:40. > :06:45.epidemic. Jeremy Farrar, what is it that's so uniquely frightening about
:06:46. > :06:56.this particular virus? Well, it started off in 1976 in
:06:57. > :07:01.Sudan and since there has been 2200 cases across Africa of which 200
:07:02. > :07:06.people died. The infection rate is high and that's frightening and it
:07:07. > :07:09.spreads between families. It spreads as we have heard, it is amplified in
:07:10. > :07:14.hospitals. It is difficult to control and it is an incredibly
:07:15. > :07:17.nasty, infection with a high mortality.
:07:18. > :07:21.Ambassador, why has it been difficult for your Government to get
:07:22. > :07:28.on top this outbreak? Well, first of all, thank you for inviting me for
:07:29. > :07:37.this. Thank you for coming. I would say that it is difficult because we
:07:38. > :07:40.have not experienced deaths. This is the first time deaths are occurring
:07:41. > :07:47.in Guinea and we needed assistance from partners. So far that has been
:07:48. > :07:53.done by partners, WHO, Medecins Sans Frontieres, UNICEF and so on and the
:07:54. > :07:57.Red Cross, of course. The Government is doing all its up most to overcome
:07:58. > :08:02.the crisis and through the cord nation with the international --
:08:03. > :08:06.co-ordination with the international community and through local means
:08:07. > :08:10.too. Let's speak to Meinie Nicolai now.
:08:11. > :08:17.What can you offer a patient? We heard this is a very, very dangerous
:08:18. > :08:24.virus. What can you offer somebody who is already ill with the virus?
:08:25. > :08:28.Yes, what we do, we care for the patient. So there is no cure for the
:08:29. > :08:34.moment. So we don't have medication that will kill this virus. What will
:08:35. > :08:37.happen in communities, people are so afraid of it that they may even
:08:38. > :08:44.abandon people who have the disease. So what we do, we take care of the
:08:45. > :08:48.person. We isolate him or her from other patients in a hospital setting
:08:49. > :08:53.we make a separate unit and then we try to comfort the patient, treat
:08:54. > :08:58.the symptoms, the fever, the pain, rehigh drayed and we should not --
:08:59. > :09:02.rehydrate and we should not forget, not all die. Some will survive and
:09:03. > :09:05.we give psychological support because when you know you have this
:09:06. > :09:12.disease, you are conscious about it and you know you may well die. So we
:09:13. > :09:16.try to help the patient in dignity, but it is very difficult. Is it
:09:17. > :09:20.easy, it is dangerous for the doctors and nurses, of course, as
:09:21. > :09:24.well, isn't it? Is it hard to get people to go to treat to patients in
:09:25. > :09:29.this condition? Well, strangely enough we always
:09:30. > :09:33.attract people to who are willing to lead with us, we don't have
:09:34. > :09:36.difficulties to find people. You are right, it is dangerous for the
:09:37. > :09:41.people we send out. So what we do, we train them here in Brussels
:09:42. > :09:46.before they leave. We have built up a large experience as the ambassador
:09:47. > :09:54.said, it is the first time it comes to Guinea, MSF treated in ten cases
:09:55. > :09:58.or more. So we have built up an expertise, we have trained the
:09:59. > :10:02.people beforehand. We give them protective material and what you
:10:03. > :10:06.need is discipline. You need to be disciplined to follow the procedures
:10:07. > :10:10.from A to Z before you enter the room where the patient is when you
:10:11. > :10:15.leave, what you do with the material, how you approach him,
:10:16. > :10:18.extra. We -- etcetera, we train the people and we have good
:10:19. > :10:27.collaboration with the Ministry of Health in Gaza Stripy. We train the
:10:28. > :10:30.-- in Guinea. We train the staff to protect themselves. Professor Jeremy
:10:31. > :10:34.Farrar, one can understand it is terrifying when you hear it like
:10:35. > :10:39.that. But what do we know about where it comes from? It probably
:10:40. > :10:44.comes from an animal reservoir. These are sporadic cases. We don't
:10:45. > :10:50.see cases for many years and there is huge outbreaks as now in Guinea.
:10:51. > :10:53.Probably fruit bats and primates within the forests of Africa and it
:10:54. > :11:03.spills over. It is another of these examples of these an man -- animal
:11:04. > :11:06.infection, we have seen it with bird flu. It is the link between humans
:11:07. > :11:10.and animals and changing ecology, changing the way people live and the
:11:11. > :11:18.viruses can jump across. Do you think it can be controlled
:11:19. > :11:21.this outbreak? MSF have done over decades now, huge experience in
:11:22. > :11:28.controlling outbreaks and you will be able to control this outbreak.
:11:29. > :11:31.The mortality is very high. That doesn't help the virus go from one
:11:32. > :11:35.person to another and it is tragic for the individuals, but it does
:11:36. > :11:39.lead to the epidemic being controlled. It will ultimately be
:11:40. > :11:44.controlled, but one of the features of this epidemic is the geographical
:11:45. > :11:48.spread that we are seeing. We are seeing it more broadly than we have
:11:49. > :11:50.seen before and we have cross-border of people and the migration of
:11:51. > :11:54.people, movement of people is really important.
:11:55. > :11:59.Why haven't you closed the borders, ambassador? I beg your pordon. --
:12:00. > :12:05.pardon. Why haven't you closed your borders? We haven't closed the
:12:06. > :12:10.border and we rely on WHO there have not been any warnings for WHO for
:12:11. > :12:18.closing any border. Of course, we are working with our neighbouring
:12:19. > :12:22.countries and it has been raised in a meeting. It was the meeting of the
:12:23. > :12:29.Council of Ministers on peace and security to see how to tackle this
:12:30. > :12:36.disease and it was agreed that the entire community should work
:12:37. > :12:41.together to tackle these diseases. I think there is no need for the time
:12:42. > :12:47.being for the closing of the border. You are nodding in agreement, are
:12:48. > :12:52.you professor? I would. Firstly, the borders are not that strictly, they
:12:53. > :12:56.are very leaky. So closing officially borders, the informal
:12:57. > :13:01.travelling cross borders would happen anyway. Closing borders in
:13:02. > :13:05.infectious diseases gives you a false sense of security, I think.
:13:06. > :13:08.From what we have heard about the way that the teams from Medecins
:13:09. > :13:14.Sans Frontieres for example go about dealing with an outbreak like this,
:13:15. > :13:21.it seems to suggest that it isn't really a risk in a different kind of
:13:22. > :13:25.society, in a more advanced society, a more wealthy society where for
:13:26. > :13:29.example hygiene practises are better in hospitals?
:13:30. > :13:33.Sure. Infection control is crucial to stopping this epidemic, but I
:13:34. > :13:40.think it would be wrong to suggest that this is just a disease and
:13:41. > :13:43.others of a similar nature are problems of resource limited
:13:44. > :13:48.countries. Let's look at other infections that come across from
:13:49. > :13:55.animals. It is an infection that jumps species, isn't it? HIV jumps
:13:56. > :14:01.from species and look what happened to IVF. This will be controlled
:14:02. > :14:06.probably eventually by the local ministries of health and MSF, but it
:14:07. > :14:10.is part of a wider context and that's the emergence of new viruses
:14:11. > :14:12.and their ability to cross from animals and because of trade the
:14:13. > :14:25.ability to travel between countries. Do you think that's a risk? As we
:14:26. > :14:30.saw with is as, these infections will travel across borders. I don't
:14:31. > :14:38.think it will be right to say this is a problem for Guinea. These are
:14:39. > :14:45.global problems. Meinie Nicolai, I bet you would give your eyeteeth for
:14:46. > :14:49.a vaccine wouldn't you? Of course. It would be fantastic. It is
:14:50. > :14:53.difficult for our teams to work with the patients knowing that a lot of
:14:54. > :14:56.them will die. We continue to do it, because dignity, caring for people
:14:57. > :15:01.is very important, even if you know they will die. That remains as a
:15:02. > :15:07.human aspect important in our work. And then to contain the epidemic. As
:15:08. > :15:11.long as we don't have a vaccine or a real treatment, what we then do is
:15:12. > :15:16.tracing the contacts of the patients. We have teams, outreach
:15:17. > :15:21.teams, as soon as we have one patient we will go to his or her
:15:22. > :15:26.village, see who were the family members, the neighbours and so on.
:15:27. > :15:31.See if they develop fever. Follow them for at least three three weeks
:15:32. > :15:35.and try to spot where new cases could happen, isolate them, care for
:15:36. > :15:41.them. Hopefully they will cure, but the cure has to come from themselves
:15:42. > :15:45.surviving the virus. In that sense, investing in hygiene measure
:15:46. > :15:50.inspection the hospitals and the health centres in this case in
:15:51. > :15:53.Guinea. That will be the measures we take. Safe funeral practices are
:15:54. > :16:00.also important. Thank you very much all indeed.
:16:01. > :16:03.Do you know what day it was today? It was the first anniversary of the
:16:04. > :16:06.introduction of the Help to Buy scheme, the arrangement under which
:16:07. > :16:09.the Government lends people money to buy houses or flats they otherwise
:16:10. > :16:12.couldn't afford. It's undoubtedly been good news for some people. But,
:16:13. > :16:16.bigger picture, as anyone who's tried to buy a new home in the last
:16:17. > :16:20.year knows, many parts of this country are in the grip of such
:16:21. > :16:23.surging house price inflation that people despair of ever affording to
:16:24. > :16:24.own the roof over their heads. What's the connection between these
:16:25. > :16:44.facts? Andy Verity reports. This is what Help to Buy was
:16:45. > :16:48.supposed to do wasn't it? For families that can't raise a big
:16:49. > :16:54.enough deposit homes no longer out of reach, even in Surrey. Demand for
:16:55. > :16:57.homes in Godalming is so high that buyers buy before the house is
:16:58. > :17:04.finished and move in before their street. After renting for 14 years,
:17:05. > :17:10.this speech therapist can afford a three-bed house worth nearly
:17:11. > :17:14.?500,000. Our daughter's just come along. You've got the extra costs of
:17:15. > :17:19.childcare and things like that. It's been such a help so that we could
:17:20. > :17:25.get into our own home, so Isla can have her own garden, her own room,
:17:26. > :17:30.because she was in our room. With help from her mum and dad, Kate,
:17:31. > :17:39.whose husband works for a hedge fund, can muster a ?25,000 deposit.
:17:40. > :17:43.What would you say if I told you I would buy a fifth of it for you and
:17:44. > :17:48.I wouldn't need any money back for five years? And even after that I
:17:49. > :17:53.would only charge you 1. 75% above base rate? You would think I was
:17:54. > :17:57.crazy. You wouldn't think I was giving awe loan on commercial terms,
:17:58. > :18:01.but that's why we the taxpayer are doing for those taking up Help to
:18:02. > :18:06.Buy. Analysis by Home Track shows what the first stage of Help to Buy,
:18:07. > :18:11.the equity long, does to your buying power. Without Help to Buy a
:18:12. > :18:16.household income of ?44,500 would buy you a home forth ?192,000. With
:18:17. > :18:22.Help to Buy on the same income you could afford a new home of ?225,000,
:18:23. > :18:27.the average price, so Help to Buy boosts your purchasing power by the
:18:28. > :18:32.difference again of 17%. But since Help to Buy started, house prices
:18:33. > :18:36.nationally have risen by between 8-9%, so half the gain from Help to
:18:37. > :18:42.Buy has been wiped out. Another year like that and all that taxpayer help
:18:43. > :18:47.for new homes won't have made them more affordable. It has helped a few
:18:48. > :18:52.individuals, but that's more illusory, because it has helped them
:18:53. > :18:59.buy a house that's more expensive than it would have been. It is
:19:00. > :19:03.17,000 home homes now occupied because of Help to Buy. There's 9
:19:04. > :19:07.million people in the private rent rented sector who want to buy.
:19:08. > :19:13.There's people struggling to pay their rent, eat and heat their
:19:14. > :19:21.homes. Help to Buy isn't going to buy votes. God al al-Ming --
:19:22. > :19:26.Godalming. At this site three quarters of the homes sold were with
:19:27. > :19:30.Help to Buy, but nationally only a fifth were. What's clear is the
:19:31. > :19:37.supply of new homes isn't rising fast enough to keep up with the
:19:38. > :19:43.number of new homes stimulated by Help to Buy. As long as demand
:19:44. > :19:47.outstrip outstrips supply it will make them less affordable, not more.
:19:48. > :19:54.Prices have been going up sharply across the country, 9-9%. That's an
:19:55. > :20:03.indication that demand is rising faster than supply. Demand is
:20:04. > :20:07.stimulated by low interest rates. Last year the number of new homes
:20:08. > :20:11.went up by a third but it is far fewer than were built in the boom
:20:12. > :20:16.and half what we need to meet demand. It is good growth and the
:20:17. > :20:21.developers have responded well, but shortage of manpower and skilled
:20:22. > :20:26.labour and building materials haven't helped. And, of course, the
:20:27. > :20:30.biggest frustration is planning permissions. An economist will tell
:20:31. > :20:34.you if demand for homes is outstripping supply and you don't
:20:35. > :20:39.want prices to rise, you've got to curb demand, not stoke it. The worry
:20:40. > :20:44.is that these policies have become self defeating and that because
:20:45. > :20:47.there's so much demand in the housing market, prices are rising
:20:48. > :20:50.much faster than income tax and taking housing out of the reach of
:20:51. > :20:55.first-time buyers soft. All the schemes that are there to help are
:20:56. > :20:59.being undone by the increases in house prices. It is the sort of fact
:21:00. > :21:04.we are used to but maybe shouldn't be, that prices are now rising four
:21:05. > :21:08.times faster than income tax. At that rate even the largesse of
:21:09. > :21:14.taxpayers willing to buy a fifth of someone else's home won't stop more
:21:15. > :21:18.families being priced out. The Housing Minister, Kris Hopkins, is
:21:19. > :21:22.here. Are rising house price as good thing? They are certainly part of
:21:23. > :21:27.the market and I want to correct some of the figures that were in
:21:28. > :21:33.your VT there. First of all, house prices have gone up. At the end of
:21:34. > :21:38.January 6. 8%, not 8-9%. If you take London and the South East out of,
:21:39. > :21:43.that about 3. 8%, so the figures you've got there are slightly
:21:44. > :21:46.distorted. In fact they are twice as much... But they are still rising
:21:47. > :21:54.though. Sure. And that's a good thing? First of all you have got to
:21:55. > :22:00.say where were we in 2008-2010? We are nowhere near those prices. So it
:22:01. > :22:04.is a good thing? I think so. So you do think rising house prices are a
:22:05. > :22:09.good thing? I've bought a house and I expect the value to rise and I am
:22:10. > :22:13.sure you do as well. Would you like more new houses to be built?
:22:14. > :22:18.Absolutely. The key thing about Help to Buy... You could just decree it.
:22:19. > :22:24.I think I want to see more houses being built, and we are seeing more
:22:25. > :22:28.houses being built. In London a 26-year high. Some of the figures
:22:29. > :22:31.you chose in that package, there and you talked about very wealthy
:22:32. > :22:36.individuals using Help to Buy, but the average house price on Help to
:22:37. > :22:41.Buy, on the guarantee scheme, is ?145,000. That's on the equity
:22:42. > :22:44.scheme only ?83,000, which is well below the average house price in
:22:45. > :22:48.this country. You say you would like to see more houses being built. Yep.
:22:49. > :22:52.And at the same time you are stoking demand? Well, we are not, because
:22:53. > :22:59.the other aspect to this, if you look at Morgan Stanley's research,
:23:00. > :23:05.fourth quarter on house sales, 0. 5% of those transactions with Help to
:23:06. > :23:07.Buy, so 0. 5% of all the transactions that were undertaken in
:23:08. > :23:12.the fourth quarter were associated with Help to Buy. What Help to Buy's
:23:13. > :23:19.done is actually bought real houses out of the ground, 17,000 houses. 9%
:23:20. > :23:25.of those are first-time buyers -- 89% of those are first-time buyers.
:23:26. > :23:29.We are woefully short in supply. I agree with you. And you can see you
:23:30. > :23:34.are stoking demand. The consequence of that is rising prices isn't it? I
:23:35. > :23:39.don't agree we are stoking prices. But I agree we need more houses.
:23:40. > :23:43.Well why not do something about it? Help to Buy is doing that. This
:23:44. > :23:48.project is not just about homes but the jobs that come with it. 250,000
:23:49. > :23:52.jobs were wiped out of the construction industry. At the
:23:53. > :23:59.moment, 28,000 depoz vets been put on these houses. 17,000 houses have
:24:00. > :24:03.been bit. Every house is a job. 1,200 small and medium-sized
:24:04. > :24:07.businesses supported is. How many houses do you think we should be
:24:08. > :24:11.building per year? I don't want to put a figure on that. There was a
:24:12. > :24:15.figure put on it ten years ago wasn't there? I've been in the job
:24:16. > :24:20.since October last year. I've seen a range of figures from 200,000 to
:24:21. > :24:24.260,000. What I do know is there's a huge demand out there and we need to
:24:25. > :24:32.match that. Your lower figure there was 200,000. Yes. How many actually
:24:33. > :24:37.are being built each year? About 120,000 at the moment. That's going
:24:38. > :24:40.up all the -- all the time. The key thing is making sure that affordable
:24:41. > :24:44.houses are being built, whether it is making sure we've got a planning
:24:45. > :24:50.system that supports the building of houses. That's really important.
:24:51. > :24:56.We've put 19. 5 billion pounds public and private money into making
:24:57. > :25:01.sure affordable houses and 170,000 houses coming out. Ebbsfleet in
:25:02. > :25:05.London, 69,000 houses on some of these large sites. Government is
:25:06. > :25:08.focused on making sure this works. An important part of the economy. A
:25:09. > :25:13.huge part of the construction industry overall, and making sure
:25:14. > :25:17.that supply meets that demand is something we are absolutely summited
:25:18. > :25:21.-- committed to do. Thank you. Pleasure.
:25:22. > :25:25.The details of the most terrible catastrophe to occur at a British
:25:26. > :25:29.sports ground were laid out today - just as vivid and and as troubling
:25:30. > :25:31.as they've been on the many previous occasions on which attempts have
:25:32. > :25:35.been made to understand how 96 people could be killed at a football
:25:36. > :25:38.match. We're a fortnight away now from the 25th anniversary of the
:25:39. > :25:41.tragedy, and the previous inquest verdicts of accidental death have
:25:42. > :25:44.been overturned. The new inquest, being held in Warrington, is to be a
:25:45. > :25:51.thorough re-examination. Peter Marshall was there. It will be the
:25:52. > :25:55.longest inquest in British legal history. The jury was told today
:25:56. > :25:59.after being sworn in, there are seven women and four men on the
:26:00. > :26:01.jury. They were told by the coroner that it is not a criminal
:26:02. > :26:04.prosecution, because an investigation is still going on in
:26:05. > :26:09.parallel. They have to decide, their job is to decide how, where and when
:26:10. > :26:14.individuals died, and whether opportunity were missed to save
:26:15. > :26:19.lives. He said to them, he advised them on law but it was their
:26:20. > :26:24.decisions that counted in tend. They had to reach their own conclusion on
:26:25. > :26:28.the evidence they would hear. This would include what he called
:26:29. > :26:32.harrowing accounts of the people that survived and moving accounts of
:26:33. > :26:36.the bereaved. From a Victorian football stadium in Sheffield to a
:26:37. > :26:40.brand-new purpose-built Coroner's Court in a Warrington business park.
:26:41. > :26:48.It has taken 25 years but in the words of the coroner, Lord Justice
:26:49. > :26:53.Goldring, the Hillsborough disaster seared into the memories of so many.
:26:54. > :26:58.The original verdicts, accidental death, were quashed in 2012. Coroner
:26:59. > :27:01.said this jury shouldn't be concerned with any of that. They
:27:02. > :27:06.will consider the experiences of each of the 96. In terms of scale,
:27:07. > :27:11.scope and nature, this is a test of the legal system and it is setting
:27:12. > :27:16.precedents. A long-term campaigner would like what's happening here to
:27:17. > :27:20.become a model for inquest law. We have a jury at this inquest which I
:27:21. > :27:24.really think validates the process for both families and public
:27:25. > :27:32.confidence that this important inconfess will be subjected to
:27:33. > :27:41.independent scrutininy. You would rather there were more juries at
:27:42. > :27:44.inquests? They can play an extraordinary important role,
:27:45. > :27:51.particularly where there are worries of failing of state systems. She
:27:52. > :27:57.noted the London bombings inquest had no secure are you but it will
:27:58. > :28:02.set a press department repeated in Warrington. The bereaved give the
:28:03. > :28:11.jury biographies of those they've lost. Arthur Horrocks was 4 3, his
:28:12. > :28:16.son Jamie was nine. We get to told the court who my dad Warix what he -
:28:17. > :28:21.what his prospects were, what he's missed out on in the past 25 years.
:28:22. > :28:25.And you as a family as well? Most definitely. So you think that's a
:28:26. > :28:31.good point about these inquests is it? Huge. James Aspinall was just
:28:32. > :28:35.18. His mum, Margaret, said she would be too emotional to tell the
:28:36. > :28:40.jury about James, so his brother, David, will do it. We shared the
:28:41. > :28:50.same bedroom. We were very, very close. What are you going to say?
:28:51. > :28:53.Well, I've got to give a character verdict of our James basically, some
:28:54. > :28:56.of the fun ownership times we had, some of the bad times we had.
:28:57. > :29:04.Anything to get his character across. Today the coroner began
:29:05. > :29:07.outlining the case. He said the Chief Superintendent David
:29:08. > :29:11.Duckenfield had only been put in charge less than three weeks before
:29:12. > :29:15.the disaster. His speciality wasn't public order and he had never worked
:29:16. > :29:19.at the stadium. Whether that was a sensible decision may be something
:29:20. > :29:23.for you to consider. Describing how a terrible crushed developed in two
:29:24. > :29:37.pens holding Liverpool fans, he said:
:29:38. > :29:46.No one kept check on how many fans were going into the central stands.
:29:47. > :29:49.There were some suggestion that the authorities were forewarned?
:29:50. > :29:52.Liverpool fans on Leppings Lane, some of them reported they were
:29:53. > :29:55.involved in a crush there. There was a crush on Leppings Lane at the
:29:56. > :30:02.time. Yet the authorities thought that the operation was successful
:30:03. > :30:06.and later modelled their plan for 1989 on the 1988 tie. And there were
:30:07. > :30:12.comments about how some of the bereaved were treated? The jury were
:30:13. > :30:16.told of the agonising process for relatives in the Hillsborough gym
:30:17. > :30:20.where they were shown photos of all the dead and asked to pick out their
:30:21. > :30:24.children or their brothers or sisters or their parents out of
:30:25. > :30:30.that. They were denied the chance of holding or touching the bodies. Some
:30:31. > :30:36.were asked about their loved one's alcohol consumption which left them
:30:37. > :30:39.angry to this day. Half had no blood alcohol detected and others were
:30:40. > :30:43.consistent with moderate social drinking.
:30:44. > :30:46.Peter, thank you. Round two of the exhibition match
:30:47. > :30:49.between the Deputy Prime Minister and the leader of the United Kingdom
:30:50. > :30:52.Independence Party tomorrow night. Doubtless, Nigel Farage has been
:30:53. > :30:55.practising his lines in the lounge bar of the Dog and Ferret tonight.
:30:56. > :30:59.Whether he'll be repeating his declared admiration for Mr Putin
:31:00. > :31:04.we'll see tomorrow. He can certainly take comfort from some recent polls.
:31:05. > :31:06.But what is his fanbase. Who will vote UKIP? Emily Maitlis has been
:31:07. > :31:14.trying to find out. Spring is in the air in
:31:15. > :31:21.Cambridgeshire. And the marigolds are out.
:31:22. > :31:26.There can't be many men who wear rubber gloves and a pinstriped suit
:31:27. > :31:31.to clean a public loo, but Pete does, he is the local UKIP
:31:32. > :31:36.councillor and he tells me he is here cleaning every day. I intend to
:31:37. > :31:39.keep on carrying that public toilet. I love doing it for the community.
:31:40. > :31:43.It is something where you can see people appreciate what you are doing
:31:44. > :31:47.and we are keeping tax down for the local community and our hometown and
:31:48. > :31:51.that's worth doing. For as long as I'm able to, I will keep cleaning
:31:52. > :31:56.the public toilets here. If I become an MP I will continue to do it.
:31:57. > :32:01.Peter and his partner, Lisa are seen as a power couple. She was UKIP's
:32:02. > :32:06.first mayor. People will see me for who I am and UKIP is more than the
:32:07. > :32:10.old man down the pub. Maybe 10 or 15 years ago, we were a party of older
:32:11. > :32:14.men in playsers and white hair. -- blazers and white hair. That's
:32:15. > :32:17.clearly not us. The couple are recognised wherever they go. Yes,
:32:18. > :32:22.because they have put Ramsey on the map, haven't they? What do you think
:32:23. > :32:27.of UKIP? Well, I'm going to vote for them this time. Who did you vote for
:32:28. > :32:31.last time? Labour, but I think they have lost their way a little bit.
:32:32. > :32:37.Joanne is a Ramsey resident and she is if you will forgive the tone,
:32:38. > :32:41.part of a new UKIP demographic, not a disenchanted well off Tory man,
:32:42. > :32:47.but a Labour voting retired woman. And it is this demographic that can
:32:48. > :32:52.propel UKIP into a wider power base than they have had in the past. The
:32:53. > :32:56.voters are the left behinds, they are financially disadvantaged and
:32:57. > :33:02.pessimistic, they are low ka educated and very concentrated in
:33:03. > :33:06.deprived areas, often Labour areas not just Conservative areas and they
:33:07. > :33:09.are anxious over domestic issues like immigration and as they see t
:33:10. > :33:14.the unresponsiveness of our politicians in Westminster.
:33:15. > :33:18.Ramsey made living history in 2011 by becoming the first town in the UK
:33:19. > :33:24.to be controlled by UKIP. Since then, they have had two UKIP mayors.
:33:25. > :33:27.They like to think of this town as proof they can run things, not just
:33:28. > :33:33.protest! Perhaps that's why out in the
:33:34. > :33:39.battlebus you will barely hear them mention Europe or immigration. Here
:33:40. > :33:43.it is kept local. Out canvassing with Ramsey's current
:33:44. > :33:49.mayor, business is slow. The first three houses don't answer the door.
:33:50. > :33:55.At the fourth, the resident explains rather graphically what he would do
:33:56. > :33:57.with a UKIP poster. Perhaps he doesn't realise Pete
:33:58. > :34:04.cleans toilets in his spare time anyway. At the next few houses, they
:34:05. > :34:08.strike gold. They tell me the town turns purple at election time and it
:34:09. > :34:11.is not just the more keting material that debts -- marketing material
:34:12. > :34:16.that gets everywhere. There is something on the present about UKIP
:34:17. > :34:20.in Ramsey, they clean the loos and patrol the streets and issue
:34:21. > :34:24.on-the-spot fines to vandals at chucking out time on a Friday night.
:34:25. > :34:32.It adds up to an old-fashioned sense of the village bobby on the beat.
:34:33. > :34:36.There is a paternalistic hand on your shoulder wherever you turn and
:34:37. > :34:38.some locals find this rather troubling. They are good and clever
:34:39. > :34:45.at driving around in their big purple and yellow bus. He cleaned
:34:46. > :34:50.out the toilets which removed a job from somebody who was doing that. He
:34:51. > :34:56.played on the immigration, hasn't he in a big way? It has frightened the
:34:57. > :35:00.mainly major parties. Whatever the strategy, it seems to have been
:35:01. > :35:09.vindicated so far at the polls. UKIP's hands on grass-roots helped
:35:10. > :35:13.the party the elections. It gained 139 extra councillors. Its success
:35:14. > :35:18.lost the Conservatives control of councils in Cambridgeshire, Norfolk
:35:19. > :35:22.and Lincolnshire. In the 2009 European elections, UKIP more than
:35:23. > :35:26.doubled its share of the vote to 16%, this time the party says the
:35:27. > :35:29.sky is the limit. If UKIP top the polls in the
:35:30. > :35:33.European elections next month, it will be the first time that any
:35:34. > :35:38.party other than Labour or the Conservatives have won a nationwide
:35:39. > :35:42.election since the First World War. It is the wind of odd statistic that
:35:43. > :35:45.pollsters are having to grapple with. Something that seemed
:35:46. > :35:49.inconceivable four years ago, and doesn't seem so unlikely anymore.
:35:50. > :35:55.The big decision for the party will be one of power versus protest, can
:35:56. > :35:59.they govern and seem like the radical alternative to the status
:36:00. > :36:04.quo? We don't intend to be a polished political party. We are a
:36:05. > :36:07.bunch of amateurs with ordinary jobs and lives who are getting involved
:36:08. > :36:09.in politics because they are sick of politicians.
:36:10. > :36:14.How does the party sick of politicians hit the big time come
:36:15. > :36:19.2015? The east of England maybe responding to UKIP's overtures at a
:36:20. > :36:23.local level, the party claims they can get 20 MPs at a general
:36:24. > :36:29.election, even with a bus this big, that could be a whole new battle.
:36:30. > :36:33.Well, Suzanne Evans is a UKIP councillor in South London who
:36:34. > :36:38.defected from the Conservatives in 2013. John Harris is a journalist
:36:39. > :36:46.who has written extensively about UKIP. You spend a lot of time with
:36:47. > :36:49.these guys? I have been to Ramsey twice. Not just Ramsey, but other
:36:50. > :36:55.places where UKIP are on the march. What are they like UKIP supporters?
:36:56. > :36:59.The film gave a good flavour of why they choose to vote the way they do.
:37:00. > :37:05.They feel very sort of, cut off. I have a pet theory which was sparked
:37:06. > :37:09.by UKIP's success, there is a north/south divide in England, but
:37:10. > :37:13.there is an east/west divide and Eastern England feels very, very
:37:14. > :37:17.isolated and by the time you get to the coast, London feels a long way
:37:18. > :37:20.away and people complain there are holes in the road and there aren't
:37:21. > :37:24.many jobs and opportunities and no one licence to them and in addition
:37:25. > :37:29.-- listens to them and because the regional economy is based around
:37:30. > :37:34.agriculture, with the tourist industry towards the coast, they are
:37:35. > :37:38.both parts of the economy which use migrant labour at low rates often,
:37:39. > :37:42.local people under cut. They don't feel politicians are listening and
:37:43. > :37:47.you have this powder keg really and along come UKIP saying immigration,
:37:48. > :37:52.immigration, immigration to para face Tony Blair -- para phrase Tony
:37:53. > :37:58.Blair and people like the sound of it. Why did you join? I say the
:37:59. > :38:02.Conservative Party left me rather than I left the Conservative Party.
:38:03. > :38:04.I think coming up to the 2010 general election there was a feeling
:38:05. > :38:07.that the Conservatives were going to make a difference. They were going
:38:08. > :38:10.to make a difference on immigration. They were going to make a
:38:11. > :38:15.difference, this whole talk of this huge Reform Bill sweeping away the
:38:16. > :38:18.bureaucracy that the Labour Government brought in and it didn't
:38:19. > :38:22.happen. There was a lack of compassion. I like to think of
:38:23. > :38:26.myself as a compassionate person. The way the Conservatives were
:38:27. > :38:31.operating, I didn't want to be part of it anymore. I looked at what UKIP
:38:32. > :38:36.had to offer. I spoke personally to Nigel Farage. He joined. I don't
:38:37. > :38:42.regret it for a moment. You went out of disillusion more
:38:43. > :38:47.than out of policy? I think the initial impetus was true, yeah,
:38:48. > :38:50.that's right, Jeremy, it was disillusion, but did look at the
:38:51. > :38:54.policies carefully and discussed them in great detail and I was
:38:55. > :38:57.impressed by what I saw and it tuned with my values and as you saw in the
:38:58. > :39:00.report there, it tunes very much with the values of the people that
:39:01. > :39:06.John was talking about, the people that feel dispossessed, the people
:39:07. > :39:09.fed-up with the politicians operating in the Westminster bubble
:39:10. > :39:13.and they want something different. He is not on the same side of the
:39:14. > :39:16.fence as you. What's your sense of whether people are interested in
:39:17. > :39:21.policies or acting out of disillusion? At this point in time,
:39:22. > :39:25.UKIP doesn't have many policies, it doesn't have a policy platform which
:39:26. > :39:31.is convenient because people project on to it whatever they want. A lot
:39:32. > :39:45.of people at the top of UKIP, Nigel Farage are free-market eeres which
:39:46. > :39:55.haven't got much to say, it doesn't matter. The point is that, UKIP is a
:39:56. > :39:57.cult of personality around a fantastically charismatic man who
:39:58. > :40:00.embodies a difference in the political class we have ended up
:40:01. > :40:04.with. I don't think that's true. We have huge amount of policies and
:40:05. > :40:08.after the European elections... After you are standing in an
:40:09. > :40:12.election... We are talk being the general election here, aren't we?
:40:13. > :40:16.What other political parties have put their manifesto on the table
:40:17. > :40:20.yet? UKIP is no different. Our policies are being costed out. We
:40:21. > :40:27.don't want to make promises we can't and we will have policies coming
:40:28. > :40:31.forward. If someone says to you in a town like Boston in Lincolnshire
:40:32. > :40:37.where they are exercised about the fact that so-called flexible labour
:40:38. > :40:44.markets resulted in local people seeing the going rate for cutting
:40:45. > :40:48.cauliflower and cabbages come down. You can have a free-market policy,
:40:49. > :40:53.what have you got to say about that? If you go to those places the Polish
:40:54. > :40:58.community that came in before are worried about the impact of Romanian
:40:59. > :41:03.and Bulgarian immigration... You have not answered the question. What
:41:04. > :41:07.have you got to say about the doub down sides which is a huge issue in
:41:08. > :41:11.the places we are talking about? If we left the European Union we
:41:12. > :41:16.wouldn't have such a pressure on labour markets. We have not nearly
:41:17. > :41:20.one million young people unemployed because jobs are being taken away
:41:21. > :41:23.for people. They can't get that initial foot on the job ladder. Is
:41:24. > :41:27.this really about leaving the European Union? Is it something to
:41:28. > :41:31.do with immigration? It is about both because you can't divorce the
:41:32. > :41:36.two, can you? When you are in the European Union, we have an open door
:41:37. > :41:41.policy and you cannot divorce the two. People say that 70% of the
:41:42. > :41:46.people in this country now, whether they support UKIP or not, are deeply
:41:47. > :41:50.concerned about the impact of immigration and that's not something
:41:51. > :41:58.any politician can afford to ignore and the three old parties ignored it
:41:59. > :42:02.for too long. You are agreeing? I am a journalist. I am on the left of
:42:03. > :42:05.politics and no question that the matter of immigration is hugely
:42:06. > :42:08.important in all this and the political classes have yet to come
:42:09. > :42:16.up with any satisfactory answers. Thank you very much.
:42:17. > :42:20.The Guardian has news that the Conservatives are planning to have
:42:21. > :42:26.an attack on windfarms in their manifesto for the elections next
:42:27. > :42:29.year. The Daily Mail has a story about immigration, illegal migrants
:42:30. > :42:37.trying to get on to the back of lorries at Calais. The Times, our
:42:38. > :42:45.weather forecasts are going to get better because of some breakthrough
:42:46. > :42:53.in the world of me ter rolling. There is a four week wait to see
:42:54. > :42:58.some GPs. The Daily Express has cottoned on to this mood our guests
:42:59. > :43:02.were talking about, there is a new migrant flood on the way.
:43:03. > :43:05.Well, that's not quite everything. Before we go, foreign ministers from
:43:06. > :43:08.all over NATO announced the suspension of all practical civilian
:43:09. > :43:20.and military co-operation with Russia. It would have been
:43:21. > :43:24.surprising had they not. What's more they can or would do to get Russia
:43:25. > :43:27.to back off from Ukraine is less than clear. The distinctive
:43:28. > :43:30.character of this conflict is the extent to which it has elements both
:43:31. > :43:36.international and civil. Even families have been split down the
:43:37. > :43:39.middle. Have We're going to be played out in a moment by two
:43:40. > :43:42.Ukrainian twins, Sonya and Anna Kupriienko who perform as the Bloom
:43:43. > :43:48.Twins. Just before that, let's have a word. Who is who?
:43:49. > :43:55.Doesn't matter! All right. Why is it when we look at
:43:56. > :44:02.your country from outside, a lot of Ukrainians are like Putin, aren't
:44:03. > :44:07.they? Yes, that's right. Is your family split? No. Not quite. If we
:44:08. > :44:14.are talking about grandparents and our parents, there is a friction
:44:15. > :44:20.between them. Our grandparents live in Moscow and our parents live in
:44:21. > :44:29.Kiev. So there is friction about that. You hear different stories and
:44:30. > :44:34.no one knows the real one. Don't get me wrong, we are not into politics
:44:35. > :44:38.so we're just guessing here. Hang on. The premise you are here is
:44:39. > :44:42.you do have political commitments and you care about what happens in
:44:43. > :44:46.your country? We care about that, but we cannot know like a proper
:44:47. > :44:53.story about it because no one tells the proper story.
:44:54. > :45:00.We know from our prospective because we see what our family told us, what
:45:01. > :45:04.my family told me, what our grandparents told me and what I can
:45:05. > :45:08.see from different media channels. It is so dimp. I can't -- different.
:45:09. > :45:12.I can't know perfectly well because it is different. You are sensible.
:45:13. > :45:16.You don't care too much about politics. Many young people... I
:45:17. > :45:23.care about my country. That's what I was going to get to.
:45:24. > :45:28.Most societies young people have other concerns other than politics.
:45:29. > :45:32.Before that I wasn't into politics at all. Right now, I do care about
:45:33. > :45:37.what is happening right now with my family, with people in Ukraine, with
:45:38. > :45:40.Ukraine, but again, I just don't know what is going on, but the only
:45:41. > :45:47.thing that I would like to change, I don't get the thing that Russia and
:45:48. > :46:00.Ukraine are split. I would like them like brothers and sisters. We are
:46:01. > :46:03.similar, but different. They don't need to argue, they just
:46:04. > :46:08.need to be together. They just need to care about each other like we
:46:09. > :46:16.sometimes do. We are going to let Sonia and Anna
:46:17. > :46:24.get plugged into their instruments. And they are going to perform their
:46:25. > :46:32.cover of Bob Marley's protest song Get Up Stand Up which they say they
:46:33. > :46:37.chose against Viktor Yanukovych's