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:00:00. > :00:11.sandstorm hitting the south-east of England to wake people up to the

:00:12. > :00:16.fact that a pollution is a real and present danger in the UK. Newsnight

:00:17. > :00:20.has found out there have been 60 similar incidents in the last five

:00:21. > :00:23.years, none of them has received this level of media attention. We

:00:24. > :00:28.ask the World Health Organisation how seriously we should be taking

:00:29. > :00:33.this. Jimmy Carter, the 37th President of the United States tells

:00:34. > :00:36.Newsnight how he would deal with intelligence whistle-blower, Edward

:00:37. > :00:42.Snowden, if he were still in the White House. If he comes home and

:00:43. > :00:46.tried and guilty and incarcerated and if I was President, a lot of if,

:00:47. > :00:52.I would certainly consider giving him pardon. A remarkable story from

:00:53. > :00:59.the Rwandan genocide. He said you can't kill these people, you can't

:01:00. > :01:03.take them out at all. I refuse that. And he offered him arms and said if

:01:04. > :01:09.you want to take them, you kill me. 20 years on we tell the incredible

:01:10. > :01:15.story of the unsung UN peacekeeper who saved hundreds of lives. As the

:01:16. > :01:19.Royal Shakespeare Company revive as trio of Jacobean play, unlike most

:01:20. > :01:24.of the works of the barred gave women top billing, Fiona and show is

:01:25. > :01:33.here to debate putting women in their place.

:01:34. > :01:38.Good evening, the Saharan dust, which mixed with other pollutants

:01:39. > :01:42.has been caution itchy eyes, noses and breathing difficulties in much

:01:43. > :01:46.of the UK has raised alarm about increased levels of pollution. But

:01:47. > :01:57.Newsnight's analysis suggests these levels are not at all unusual, just

:01:58. > :02:04.we are normally unaware of them. None of this is new, of course, in

:02:05. > :02:08.1903 when Monet set his easal next to the Thames, he said a London

:02:09. > :02:12.without its fog would not be a beautiful city. 111 years later and

:02:13. > :02:18.to the naked eye the picture is much clearer. But pollution readings over

:02:19. > :02:21.the past week have alarmed scientists and medical doctors.

:02:22. > :02:24.Today London and the south-east both hit the highest alert levels set by

:02:25. > :02:28.the Government. The Prime Minister described the capital's atmosphere

:02:29. > :02:32.as unpleasant. In the time that Monet painted that picture, most of

:02:33. > :02:35.the pollution in London and most of the cities in the UK came from coal

:02:36. > :02:39.burning, there was a period in the 1990s where we felt like we had

:02:40. > :02:43.largely dealt with air pollution as an urban problem. We haven't, what

:02:44. > :02:47.has happened since then is the amount of pollution from traffic and

:02:48. > :02:50.industries has increased and as we are seeing this week pollution is

:02:51. > :02:56.still a problem which affects many cities in Europe and the UK. How

:02:57. > :03:04.often does this happen? The answer is far more often than maybe you

:03:05. > :03:09.would think. This is the governments pollution map, London and east yang

:03:10. > :03:12.are at the top level, meaning everyone with breathing difficulties

:03:13. > :03:17.should avoid strenuous activities, warning was in place for four other

:03:18. > :03:21.regions. Forget the media coverage and go back a week, similar

:03:22. > :03:24.Government alerts at level ten were again in force, this time in the

:03:25. > :03:28.East Midlands and Yorkshire and Humberside and only picked up by

:03:29. > :03:33.handful of local papers. In fact, Newsnight has found that over the

:03:34. > :03:38.past five years there have been 422 incidents of high air pollution at

:03:39. > :03:50.level seven or above. With 61 incidents at the top level of ten,

:03:51. > :03:54.very few were publicised If pollution is common why all the

:03:55. > :04:01.media attention from politicians and media. In big towns it is almost

:04:02. > :04:05.impossible to see at street level. Modern air pollution comes from

:04:06. > :04:10.vehicle emission, microscopic and impossible to see with the naked

:04:11. > :04:17.eye. In this case southerly winds have been blowing up from North

:04:18. > :04:21.Africa, when it rains sand from The Sahara has been dumped on cars and

:04:22. > :04:25.windows so we can see and feel it. It is easy to see the dust, it is

:04:26. > :04:28.there. The types of pollution that we are measuring in the monitoring

:04:29. > :04:32.networks and the types of pollution that have an affect on people's

:04:33. > :04:37.health are microscopic particle, particles about the size of a virus.

:04:38. > :04:40.So small that when you breathe them in they can get deep into the lining

:04:41. > :04:43.of your lungs and make it through into the bloodstream. That is the

:04:44. > :04:46.main difference between how pollution used to be in London and

:04:47. > :04:51.the types of pollution we have now. But there may be a second simple

:04:52. > :04:55.reason for all this media attention. On Tuesday responsibility for

:04:56. > :05:02.forecasting pollution levels switched from the aDomic energy

:05:03. > :05:08.agency to the Met Office. While That means those alerts suddenly started

:05:09. > :05:13.to show up regularly on the weather forecasts. The effect of all this on

:05:14. > :05:18.health is hard to measure, at least in the short-term. Today the Prime

:05:19. > :05:20.Minister gave up his normal morning jog because of the pollution scare,

:05:21. > :05:24.though he then appeared to play it down, calling it a natural

:05:25. > :05:29.phenomenon. But the Government's own advisers on this estimate air

:05:30. > :05:33.pollution is factor in at least 29,000 early deaths a year in the

:05:34. > :05:37.UK. More than twice as many as passive smoking.

:05:38. > :05:44.Exposure to air pollution in the UK leads to an average shortening of

:05:45. > :05:48.life for about six months. On high-pollution days those most at

:05:49. > :05:51.risk are the elderly and those P with preexisting conditions. These

:05:52. > :05:54.people are more likely to develop symptoms and leading to emergency

:05:55. > :05:58.hospital admission or even death. The deaths that occur on

:05:59. > :06:02.high-pollution days are thought to be people who will woo die within a

:06:03. > :06:05.few weeks any way and the pollution is putting them over the edge. What

:06:06. > :06:12.can pollutions and Government do this be this? Last month Paris

:06:13. > :06:16.imposed emergency measures only allowing those with even or odd

:06:17. > :06:20.number plates drive on alternate days in the city centre. The

:06:21. > :06:24.Government had agreed to bring air pollution down to safe levels by

:06:25. > :06:28.2015, they have said that won't happen until 2025, the delay means

:06:29. > :06:31.the UK is facing legal action from the European Commission and a group

:06:32. > :06:37.of environmental lawyers. I believe that we have a riot to breathe clean

:06:38. > :06:44.air, I believe that -- a right to breathe clean air strikes and I

:06:45. > :06:48.believe we shouldn't havor woey -- shouldn't have to worry about

:06:49. > :06:53.children breathing clean air. It is a major problem and isn't being

:06:54. > :06:58.taken seriously, I think we need to take legal action and force

:06:59. > :07:01.Government to do something about it. Saharan sand will wash off soon

:07:02. > :07:05.enough and the smog will left. It is the effect of regularly breaching

:07:06. > :07:09.pollution controls in the long-term that could be the cost to the

:07:10. > :07:12.environment and to our health. We asked to speak to someone from the

:07:13. > :07:15.department for the environment and from the Department of Health, but

:07:16. > :07:22.we were told no-one was available. So to discuss this I'm joined now by

:07:23. > :07:27.an expert in air pollution from the World Health Organisation, and Roy

:07:28. > :07:30.Harris a Professor of Environmental Health from the University of

:07:31. > :07:35.Birmingham. First of all I suppose we should be thankful for the

:07:36. > :07:39.Saharan sandstorm because it has alerted ordinary people to the

:07:40. > :07:43.presence of quite often high levels of air pollution? I think you are

:07:44. > :07:46.right. What it has done is to reinforce the high levels that we

:07:47. > :07:51.would have been seeing any way because of the air coming over from

:07:52. > :07:57.the near continent. But it is very obvious the way it is soiling the

:07:58. > :08:02.cars and windows and so on. It has very much highlighted the issue,

:08:03. > :08:10.which is very good news for us. 422 incidents in the last five years of

:08:11. > :08:13.pollution levels between 7 and 10, 29,000 premature deaths what should

:08:14. > :08:16.the Government do about it? Legislation operates at a number of

:08:17. > :08:19.levels it is not purely in the hand of the UK Government. It is also the

:08:20. > :08:24.European Union which has actually been very active in the past in

:08:25. > :08:29.driving forward policies on air quality. The only answer in the long

:08:30. > :08:32.run is to reduce emission, there are many ways of doing that. It is not

:08:33. > :08:36.cheap do it and much has been achieved in the past. But if we want

:08:37. > :08:39.to see air quality improve in future, reductions in emissions is

:08:40. > :08:45.the only way to do it. You talk about the EU, and coming to you

:08:46. > :08:49.doctor, at the moment let's deal with the UK first. The EU has

:08:50. > :08:58.launched legal proceedings against the UK because it has failed to

:08:59. > :09:03.reach the levels of chemicals requested. How bad is Britain's

:09:04. > :09:08.record in this? The World Health Organisation has said in some norms

:09:09. > :09:12.and standards, most of the European countries are following those

:09:13. > :09:16.standards and they don't deviate much from that, except on

:09:17. > :09:20.exceptional occasions. But it is true that we would like to see an

:09:21. > :09:25.increase and improvement on the way we are dealing with air pollution in

:09:26. > :09:29.the fact that we need to breathe clean air if we want to have a

:09:30. > :09:33.better health. So we would like to see in the European countries, even

:09:34. > :09:38.if they are among the best countries in the world, an increase and an

:09:39. > :09:42.improvement in the situation. That will be resulting in a better health

:09:43. > :09:51.for everyone. That is primarily by reducing C O2 emissions? We need to

:09:52. > :09:56.do a kind of diagnosis. It will be depending very much on each city.

:09:57. > :10:02.You need to do an assessment from where those sources of emissions are

:10:03. > :10:07.coming. In most parts of the time the emissions are coming from

:10:08. > :10:14.traffic, so taking decisions on a more sustainable public transport

:10:15. > :10:18.system, energy efficiency for the buildings, and measure that is will

:10:19. > :10:23.increase the possibility for cities to work and to bike -- citizens to

:10:24. > :10:26.work and bike and have a better lifestyle, reducing the use of

:10:27. > :10:29.private vehicles will be contributing to the reduction of the

:10:30. > :10:34.emissions. As mentioned it is difficult but it is physical, it is

:10:35. > :10:40.feasible and it is demonstrated as possible. There are many experiences

:10:41. > :10:44.proving that. Clearly David Cameron took it seriously this morning, he

:10:45. > :10:49.didn't go for his jog. But do we have to take measures like they have

:10:50. > :10:52.done in par risks for example, in -- Paris, for example, in city centres

:10:53. > :10:56.to limit traffic at any one time. Do we have to do radical things like

:10:57. > :11:02.that? I don't think these kinds of panic measure, such as they took in

:11:03. > :11:05.Paris are terribly effective. You need long-term action and more

:11:06. > :11:10.widespread action. This pollution arises not only from emissions, very

:11:11. > :11:13.locally, it is not only emissions in London that affect London, it is

:11:14. > :11:19.emissions right over the European continent. For some pollutants even

:11:20. > :11:24.further away than Europe. You need a bigger action than that. That is KWL

:11:25. > :11:27.why I think the main driver should be an action at European level

:11:28. > :11:31.because the commission has the power to take action on these things. It

:11:32. > :11:35.made proposals in December of last year, forthure changes in air

:11:36. > :11:42.quality policy, which quite frankly I regard as complacent. So would you

:11:43. > :11:45.agree that more can be done at the European level, are you happy in

:11:46. > :11:53.relation to what is happening for example in China that Europe overall

:11:54. > :11:58.is performing reasonably well? I think it is quite clear that the

:11:59. > :12:03.measures in Europe, but as well the cities can take certain measures, it

:12:04. > :12:08.is difficult for the citizens for themselves. It is going beyond the

:12:09. > :12:12.controls of individuals in many places, you can't decide the quality

:12:13. > :12:21.of the air you breathe. But by raising awareness, the citizens can

:12:22. > :12:27.put a lot of generating pressures on policy by measures of city, national

:12:28. > :12:32.and international levels, that is extremely important. I would like to

:12:33. > :12:37.remind that there was a report presented a couple of weeks ago, one

:12:38. > :12:42.week ago saying that we have an estimate of seven million deaths

:12:43. > :12:47.linked to air pollution globally, which makes air pollution one of the

:12:48. > :12:53.most significant global risks for health. It is clear that most of

:12:54. > :12:57.those deaths are occurring in low and middle income countries, but

:12:58. > :13:02.still, we are very much concerned as citizens from all around the world.

:13:03. > :13:09.We have measures that have proved to be effect yes . The former US

:13:10. > :13:15.President, Jimmy Carter has told Newsnight that if he was still in

:13:16. > :13:18.the White House he would consider pardoning Snowden. In a wide-ranging

:13:19. > :13:22.interview, starting with a discussion about his new book, A

:13:23. > :13:25.Call To Action, which decries the world's discrimination of violence

:13:26. > :13:28.against women and girls, President Carter goes on to claim that US

:13:29. > :13:32.influence in the world has been damaged in recent years by American

:13:33. > :13:35.involvement in so many wars. He was the last US President to visit Iran

:13:36. > :13:43.and was in the White House during the embassy hostage crisis in which

:13:44. > :13:47.52 Americans were held for 444 days. First his book, I put it to him he

:13:48. > :13:51.seemed very troubled by elements of organised religion that do great

:13:52. > :13:55.damage to women. I'm deeply troubled, it is not just religion.

:13:56. > :14:00.Quite often the secular world is the most guilty of persecuting women.

:14:01. > :14:06.For instance in my country we pay women 23% less than we do men for

:14:07. > :14:10.the same work. We have tremendous sexual assaults on our college

:14:11. > :14:13.campuses and even our greatest universities, they have the same

:14:14. > :14:17.thing that happens within the mill treatment and we have a -- military,

:14:18. > :14:21.and we have a terrible degree of slave trade in America. The US State

:14:22. > :14:26.Department is required by law to do this every year now, reported it

:14:27. > :14:30.last year, 100,000 young girls were sold into sexual slavery in the

:14:31. > :14:34.United States itself. In the book you look at different countries, and

:14:35. > :14:38.you focus for a very short while on Saudi Arabia, and you talk about

:14:39. > :14:44.Saudi Arabia's upping of oil production in the Iran-Iraq War

:14:45. > :14:49.coming to America's aid. I wonder if you pull your punches in Saudi

:14:50. > :14:53.Arabia, as you say 78% of female graduates are unemployed because of

:14:54. > :15:02.religious and cultural opposition. That is dreadful figure that? It is,

:15:03. > :15:06.at least under King Abdullah the women have been given a free chance

:15:07. > :15:09.for higher education and college and even up to graduate level. When they

:15:10. > :15:15.do finish college training they have a very difficult time within the

:15:16. > :15:23.Saudi culture to actually get a productive job. And they are

:15:24. > :15:31.obviously constrained still by the customs that a woman has to be

:15:32. > :15:36.escorted by man on the street, can't drive an car or ride a bicycle. At

:15:37. > :15:41.the moment the Iranians are trying to send a new ambassador to the UN

:15:42. > :15:44.who was one of the hostage takers at the American Embassy in Tehran,

:15:45. > :15:51.should America give him a visa or not? I hope so, I see no reason to

:15:52. > :15:54.prevent this person of serving as the official representative of Iran.

:15:55. > :16:00.You have to remember that those people who took my hostages back in

:16:01. > :16:05.1979 were college student, they were young people, I don't think they

:16:06. > :16:11.should be held culpable for that incident now 35 years later. On the

:16:12. > :16:14.broader question of American foreign policy, President Obama has been

:16:15. > :16:21.criticised for not taking a firmer stand on Crimea. Do you worry about

:16:22. > :16:25.renewed Russian expansionism? Well I don't think there was any way to

:16:26. > :16:28.prevent Putin from going in to Crimea, no matter what the European

:16:29. > :16:34.Union did, no matter what the Americans did. That was still going

:16:35. > :16:39.to happen. Because I have known this situation for 35 or 40 years and

:16:40. > :16:45.there is no doubt that Russians all considered Crimea to be part of

:16:46. > :16:48.Russia and about three-quarters of the Crimean people who speak Russian

:16:49. > :16:51.wanted to be part of Russia. That was a foregone conclusion. I think

:16:52. > :16:57.the Russian military advance has to be stopped there. I don't think we

:16:58. > :17:04.can permit Russia to have military adventures in other parts of eastern

:17:05. > :17:09.Ukraine. Is America in a way damaged by very different things, of

:17:10. > :17:15.Afghanistan and Iraq, do you think it has reduced America's confidence

:17:16. > :17:23.in itself and its confidence in pursuing an act of foreign policy of

:17:24. > :17:26.prevention? I think it has been some what damaging. America is still the

:17:27. > :17:30.most powerful nation in the world there is no doubt about that, our

:17:31. > :17:33.military, economic power and cultural influence, all I think are

:17:34. > :17:38.still the most powerful. We are the only superpower in the world. But I

:17:39. > :17:43.think that our influence has been a damage to some degree by constantly

:17:44. > :17:46.going into bilateral wars. I mentioned in my book that since the

:17:47. > :17:51.Second World War, since the United Nations was founded, ostensibly to

:17:52. > :17:56.put an to end this kind of thing that the United States has been

:17:57. > :17:59.involved in about 30 countries, and armed conflict. I think that is one

:18:00. > :18:02.of the things that has given our country bad reputation as far as

:18:03. > :18:06.peace and human rights is concerned. One thing that you are, you have

:18:07. > :18:12.been talking about recently is the fact that you use what is called

:18:13. > :18:15."snail mail", that you actually write everything down. I wonder the

:18:16. > :18:18.whole US scandal over intelligence, do you think the intelligence

:18:19. > :18:25.gathering in the United States is out of control? Yes I do. I think it

:18:26. > :18:33.got out of control after 9/11. When I was in the White House I passed an

:18:34. > :18:39.act called the FISA Act, that required before any single telephone

:18:40. > :18:44.conversation was monitored, that a very balanced judge, panel of judges

:18:45. > :18:48.had to approve it. That was completely eliminated after 9/11.

:18:49. > :18:53.And I think the intelligence committees of the House and Senate

:18:54. > :18:56.in the United States Congress, have passed legislation which other

:18:57. > :19:00.members of Congress were not permitted because it was top secret.

:19:01. > :19:04.I think the NSA went further than the legislation permitted. In your

:19:05. > :19:07.view, what about Edward Snowden, should he be allowed to come home

:19:08. > :19:14.without fear of being locked up for the rest of his life? Well, I'm not

:19:15. > :19:17.advising him what to do, but if he comes home, it is obvious that

:19:18. > :19:21.Edward Snowden has violated laws and he will have to be put on trial, if

:19:22. > :19:28.he comes home and is tried and found guilty, if he was incarcerated and I

:19:29. > :19:32.was President, a lot of "ifs" then I would certainly consider giving him

:19:33. > :19:37.a pardon! But it would be based on the fact that the punishment, in my

:19:38. > :19:45.own personal opinion, exceeded the harm that he did to our country.

:19:46. > :19:50.Thank you very much indeed. It was the political scandal that put some

:19:51. > :19:55.MPs in jail, but today the cabinet minister, Maria Miller got the

:19:56. > :19:59.fulsome support of the Prime Minister, despite the fact she was

:20:00. > :20:05.censured by the Standards Committee for hindering an inquiry into her

:20:06. > :20:10.expenses claims. She was forced into a humiliating apology on the floor

:20:11. > :20:16.of the House and has to repay overpaid accommodation expenses.

:20:17. > :20:20.What happened to tough David Cameron on cleaning up expenses. What

:20:21. > :20:23.exactly did she do? She is one of four women in the cabinet. That is

:20:24. > :20:27.politically significant, she was accused of claiming ?90,000 worth of

:20:28. > :20:31.tax-payers' money for a house where she lived with her parents. Now,

:20:32. > :20:35.what the commission has decided in all their wisdom is that arrangement

:20:36. > :20:39.in principle was OK, but she did overcharge a little bit and an

:20:40. > :20:45.administrativer Yorks they called t as a result she's having to pay back

:20:46. > :20:49.nearly ?6,000. Humiliating she became the first serving cabinet

:20:50. > :20:53.minister to have to say sorry from the benches of the House of Commons.

:20:54. > :20:59.After an investigation of nearly a year-and-a-half, it came down to

:21:00. > :21:03.this 32-second apology. With permission With permission I wish to

:21:04. > :21:08.make a personal statement after today's report. It resulted in an

:21:09. > :21:11.allegation made by a member, the committee has dismissed the

:21:12. > :21:17.allegation. The committee has recommended that I apologise to the

:21:18. > :21:22.House for my attitude to the commissioner's inquiries, and I of

:21:23. > :21:25.course unreservedly apologise. I fully accept the recommendations of

:21:26. > :21:31.the committee, and thank them for bringing this matter to an end. Not

:21:32. > :21:35.exactly contrite, and not just the fact that she gave such a short

:21:36. > :21:38.apology, you might think she was in disGRASHGS but look at this, behind

:21:39. > :21:42.her, not just your normal backbenchers, or Government whip,

:21:43. > :21:46.but the cabinet minister Jeremy Hunt who moved from the front bench to

:21:47. > :21:50.the backbench to give her visible support, and Sir George Young a very

:21:51. > :21:53.senior Conservative indeed. That tells us that the tof the

:21:54. > :21:58.Conservative Party is tonight fully behind her.

:21:59. > :22:01.Did she sort of get off? The independent commissioner,

:22:02. > :22:06.fascinatingly, the independent, overseen by a member of MPs said she

:22:07. > :22:11.should have paid back ?40,000. What is also striking is the tone of her

:22:12. > :22:15.letters to the commissioner, where she really, really dragged her feet

:22:16. > :22:18.at every step of the way. And that is actually what landed her in

:22:19. > :22:22.trouble. One MP said to me it was the bullying way that she tried to

:22:23. > :22:25.get out of it that actually led to her having to say sorry. It is

:22:26. > :22:30.extraordinary because at the height of the expenses scandal, when people

:22:31. > :22:34.were guilty, I have to say, lots of people went to jail? They did, and

:22:35. > :22:38.believe it or not it is five years since that all blew up in the first

:22:39. > :22:42.place. What is interesting is that many MPs I have spoken to today have

:22:43. > :22:47.said the rules are ING Chad, we have all moved on and nobody thinks that

:22:48. > :22:51.she was fiddling things on purpose, she made mistakes. The public might

:22:52. > :22:57.feel rather differently. Tonight a couple of the front pages. The Times

:22:58. > :23:03.here, "fury grows as expenses row minister clings to job" and "MPs

:23:04. > :23:09.compeer to save Miller". One of the problems was MPs were judging

:23:10. > :23:14.themselves, that is part of what is happening in this case. This weekend

:23:15. > :23:20.it will be exactly 20 years since the start of the genocide in Rwanda

:23:21. > :23:25.when ethnic Hutus started to wipe out minority ethnic Tutsis and

:23:26. > :23:30.moderate Hutus too. 00,000 people were killed in three short months

:23:31. > :23:33.and thousand of women raped. Few of the perpetrators have ever been

:23:34. > :23:39.brought to justice t amongst the horror were acts of goodness too. An

:23:40. > :23:44.unarmed United Nations peacekeeper from Senegal personally saved

:23:45. > :23:46.hundreds of lives. The BBC's international development

:23:47. > :23:53.correspondent covered the genocide back in 1994. Now, with the passing

:23:54. > :23:58.of time, Mark returned to Rwanda to explore his story, a story which has

:23:59. > :24:05.never been told in full before. Mark's film contains some extremely

:24:06. > :24:09.disturbing images. Automatic fire could be heard from

:24:10. > :24:13.invite the city. In the midst of the horror of the genocide an

:24:14. > :24:25.extraordinary man saved hundreds of lives. Cap Dane Diane was an unarmed

:24:26. > :24:32.observer from the African state of Senegal. In 1994 there was a small

:24:33. > :24:35.peacekeeping force in Rwanda. When violence engulfed the country the

:24:36. > :24:41.force was totally overwhelmed, but the captain was not. Going well

:24:42. > :24:48.beyond his official mandate he set out to rescue as many people as he

:24:49. > :24:52.could. One of the first people to be targeted by the Government-sponsored

:24:53. > :24:56.killers was the Prime Minister. She and her husband were murdered in

:24:57. > :25:00.their residence. But they had managed to hide their children, who

:25:01. > :25:05.were also in the sights of the killers in a neighbouring house,

:25:06. > :25:09.where forreners lived. The daughter of the assassinated Prime Minister

:25:10. > :25:14.has never spoken about these traumatic events before. Or about

:25:15. > :25:45.the role the captain had in saving her life 20 years ago.

:25:46. > :25:50.There was some debate about UN official about what to do with the

:25:51. > :25:55.children. The UN mandate was to observe. It wasn't clear what it was

:25:56. > :26:01.supposed to do when it came to saving Rwandans. But on humanitarian

:26:02. > :26:08.ground the captain decided to act any way. He bundled the children

:26:09. > :26:10.into his car, hid them under a tarpaulin and drove them to the

:26:11. > :27:00.safety of the hotel. The commander of the UN peacekeeping

:27:01. > :27:07.force in Rwanda in 1994 was Canadian general Romeo Dallaire. There is no

:27:08. > :27:11.way to describe how gutsy he was, it was the Victoria Cross type of

:27:12. > :27:15.action. Millions of people were displaced as the conflict escalate.

:27:16. > :27:23.Most Rwandans and other Africans were left to their fate. This

:27:24. > :27:28.horrified captain Mbaye was spurred on. There was no grand plan left,

:27:29. > :27:31.the UN in fact three weeks into the genocide was still arguing whether

:27:32. > :27:36.or not I was allowed to protect anybody. And so they are debating it

:27:37. > :27:40.meanwhile we are in the field and guys like Mbaye are saving bodies

:27:41. > :27:44.left right and centre, pulling them out and trying to get them to the

:27:45. > :27:51.airport. It was a core of people who had a sense of humanity that went

:27:52. > :27:55.well beyond their orders. The militia tried time after time to

:27:56. > :28:01.break into the hotel where Marie Christine and hundreds of others

:28:02. > :28:05.were hiding. Survivors say Captain Mbaye, who was stationed there, was

:28:06. > :28:12.the key man in a thin blue line of UN peacekeepers who kept the militia

:28:13. > :28:17.out. This doctor was among those hiding at the hotel. As the battle

:28:18. > :28:22.for central Kigali raged and the militias were hammering at the door,

:28:23. > :28:26.Captain Mbaye ordered a convoy of lorries to take some of them to

:28:27. > :28:30.safety. But the militia attacked the convoy on this hill. They tried to

:28:31. > :28:35.pull us out. They climbed on top of the lorry to pull you out? To pull

:28:36. > :28:39.us out. What was the captain doing at that time? He said you can't pull

:28:40. > :28:44.these people, you can't kill these people, you can't take them out at

:28:45. > :28:56.all. I refuse that. And he offered these arms, if you want to take them

:28:57. > :29:00.you first kill me. To find out more about what made this extraordinary

:29:01. > :29:06.army captain tick, I drafted to his home country of Senegal to meet his

:29:07. > :29:12.family. In the living room a citation of bravery from the state

:29:13. > :29:14.department in Washington. It said Captain Mbaye personally saved as

:29:15. > :29:52.many as 600 lives. Do you remember anything else about

:29:53. > :29:59.that last conversation that you had? Captain Mbaye's luck ran out on May

:30:00. > :30:04.31st 1994. There had been talk on the walkie talkies of a military

:30:05. > :30:08.observer having been killed near the Kigali nightclub, and Captain Mbaye

:30:09. > :30:15.had stopped at that checkpoint, it was quite clear that a mortar bomb

:30:16. > :30:19.or rocket had landed just behind the driver's position, because there was

:30:20. > :30:26.shrapnel that had gone through the passenger door and we know that some

:30:27. > :30:29.of that shrapnel hit Captain Mbaye's head. There was blood on the seat

:30:30. > :30:31.and that had gathered in the foot well as well. And that's how he

:30:32. > :31:16.died. So one man saved hundreds of lives

:31:17. > :31:23.in Rwanda. But the genocide claimed 800,000, there is no moral

:31:24. > :31:27.equivalence. But we now know that one man with extraordinary courage

:31:28. > :31:43.did simply what he thought was right. Desdemona, Opheila, Titania,

:31:44. > :31:48.even the impossible shre wait, it is hard to think of any of them

:31:49. > :31:53.triumphing in Shakespeare's plays, some of his less well known cop temp

:31:54. > :31:57.radios wrote plays featuring bold female characters. Now the RSA is

:31:58. > :32:04.attempting to make good the deficit and putting on three of them under

:32:05. > :32:17.the titles of The Roaring Girl. Here is a clip of the play, spliced with

:32:18. > :32:23.the views of the director, Joe Davies. I described it to someone

:32:24. > :32:35.the other day as a Jacobean pussy ride, you get the sense of the

:32:36. > :32:39.energy of the piece! She quip, s, she smokes she sings, and a force of

:32:40. > :32:57.nature the moment she steps on the stage. Joining me are my guests.

:32:58. > :32:59.Fiona. First of all, you know Shakespeare's plays intimately, do

:33:00. > :33:06.you think it was his way of doing it, or was the stories that he was

:33:07. > :33:11.telling that was it? To make the women... Secondary? : He doesn't

:33:12. > :33:17.always make them secondary, some of them are very central. Rosalind is

:33:18. > :33:21.very central, they are secondary in the universe, the world they are

:33:22. > :33:25.unifying usually ends in marriage. Where as the man's world is some how

:33:26. > :33:29.broader and more philosophical. You do feel that the women are just

:33:30. > :33:34.heading towards marriage. That is probably the limitation of it. Did

:33:35. > :33:37.Shakespeare had any limitations put on him, or were they

:33:38. > :33:41.self-limitations. There was the limitation of the fact that the

:33:42. > :33:45.female parts were played by male actors, essentially the theatrical

:33:46. > :33:50.profession was like a guild or trade. So the apprentice, the young

:33:51. > :33:58.men, teenage boys played the female parts. So inevitably the likelihood

:33:59. > :34:04.is the dramatist will of give the most grown-up parts to the lead

:34:05. > :34:10.actors and secondary parts to the younger actors. Not in the Jacobean

:34:11. > :34:15.plays? Two are Jacobean and a little later. The one I'm most interested

:34:16. > :34:20.in is Elizabethan, that is the earlier play and has the biggest

:34:21. > :34:25.part of the Elizabethan era but played by a boy actor. It doesn't

:34:26. > :34:29.end in marriage likes the Shakespeare ones, it begins in

:34:30. > :34:32.marriage, she has an fair and she and her lover kill the husband. On

:34:33. > :34:41.the basis of what the plays show about the male character, there is a

:34:42. > :34:44.lot of anteriority about the men in Shakespeare, women don't get that? I

:34:45. > :34:49.don't know if that is true. They mention some wonderful things about

:34:50. > :34:56.themselves, you mentioned about the annoying shrew, when it is said

:34:57. > :35:03."good morrow Kate I hear that is your name", and she says, "they call

:35:04. > :35:07.me Katherine", her protection of her own name is her desire to be taken

:35:08. > :35:13.seriously. He was sympathetic in that way to them. He puts them

:35:14. > :35:19.through some strange things, Viola getting thrown up on a shore and the

:35:20. > :35:23.forests foreanother. They are bigger than they started out as. Do you

:35:24. > :35:28.think they have a universality. The whole idea about Shakespeare is it

:35:29. > :35:31.is the universality that we can relate to now? My frustration is

:35:32. > :35:35.ultimately not with them, because Jonathan is right because the

:35:36. > :35:39.company composition and the way in which only male characters played

:35:40. > :35:45.female characters had a limitation. Just if their world ends in marriage

:35:46. > :35:48.and nowadays many women's lives begin with marriage and maybe

:35:49. > :35:53.another marriage the plays are not reflect, they are not a mirror up to

:35:54. > :35:58.nature to our experience of our entire lives. It is interesting that

:35:59. > :36:04.he has to have the Romeo Juliet and ant though and Cleopatra, he

:36:05. > :36:07.could have had a wonderful play with Cleopatra centre stage without

:36:08. > :36:13.Anthony. Cleopatra is an interesting cautious I have a feeling in the

:36:14. > :36:18.earlier part of Shakespeare's career when Queen Elizabeth is on the

:36:19. > :36:22.throne, and there is a court censor censoring the makes he would have

:36:23. > :36:26.been wary of having a powerful female ruler on stage for fear of

:36:27. > :36:33.offending Elizabeth. Once she is dead he can put the stronger women,

:36:34. > :36:38.Cleopatra and Lady Macbeth, and now it is King James on the thrown and

:36:39. > :36:44.can he explore women in tour -- on the throne and he can explore women

:36:45. > :36:49.in power. You played Richard II back in the 199 #0S, what was it like

:36:50. > :36:53.playing a male part? It was difficult, I missed that I hadn't a

:36:54. > :36:58.male history in my childhood in the playing of it, but it is in such

:36:59. > :37:03.high poetry that Richard II is hardly a man, he is a God-boy, I

:37:04. > :37:08.could do that I felt. I could play into the sense of an overblown sense

:37:09. > :37:12.of self and slowly he become as human being. In that way it was

:37:13. > :37:19.fantastic pleasure to reach down into someone whose relationship was

:37:20. > :37:26.to infinity rather than marriage. What about different ways of playing

:37:27. > :37:34.Sheikhs peer, -- Shakespeare, we have had all-female shakes ferrics

:37:35. > :37:40.and do -- Shakespeare, and do we have to keep doing it differently? I

:37:41. > :37:45.think we do. I think Shakespeare is always fascinated by cross-dressing,

:37:46. > :37:49.and in The Roaring Girl, it is a woman who cross dresses and so many

:37:50. > :37:55.of the best plays of that time are breaking down the traditional gender

:37:56. > :38:00.roles. It is really a time when the public theatre is taking off as a

:38:01. > :38:05.space where questions about traditional hierarchies, whether

:38:06. > :38:09.begined e respect for the young and -- gender, or respect for young and

:38:10. > :38:15.old are being questioneded. Your mind expands in the playing of them.

:38:16. > :38:19.Rosalind speaks in verse when she is tied up, when she gets to the forest

:38:20. > :38:23.it is prose, Beatrice is witty because she speaks in prose. There

:38:24. > :38:30.is literally a text that becomes like a musical notation, that makes

:38:31. > :38:35.the form itself expand. First the upmarket supermarket Waitrose hired

:38:36. > :38:39.Kate Middleton's sister to write for its monthly magazine, it's probably

:38:40. > :38:43.delighted that David Cameron became its unofficial cheer leader,

:38:44. > :38:46.offering his supermarket sociology that there is something about

:38:47. > :38:51.Waitrose customer, they are talkative and engaged people. Now

:38:52. > :38:59.one of the supermarket's most famous customer, he was called stuck up by

:39:00. > :39:03.Labour and a world away from most families who have to shop around for

:39:04. > :39:07.best prices. We went to do our own supermarket sweep. When you own

:39:08. > :39:12.something you care a little more. This is an advert for a leading high

:39:13. > :39:19.street grocer, I can only identify as Waitrose. And here is another

:39:20. > :39:24.plug for Waitrose. Or at least their shoppers. I have got an interesting

:39:25. > :39:28.supermarket piece of sociology for you, which is there is something

:39:29. > :39:32.about Waitrose customers is they are the most talkative. I find if I shop

:39:33. > :39:36.in Waitrose it takes me twice as long, because everybody wants to

:39:37. > :39:40.stop you and have a chat. Where as other supermarkets I can dart around

:39:41. > :39:49.quickly. That is something about your customers, they are talkative

:39:50. > :39:58.and engaged people. You might be tempted to say "bog off" to that, as

:39:59. > :40:02.in buy one get one free that is what gets me to the supermarket. Let's

:40:03. > :40:07.see what a shopping watcher makes of the PM's remarks. Statistically he's

:40:08. > :40:11.correct in that Waitrose shoppers are a class above everyone else, as

:40:12. > :40:17.in the proportion of their shoppers who come from the AB socioeconomic

:40:18. > :40:20.group, you and I might call middle council tax they have a far greater

:40:21. > :40:26.number than any other supermarket. I don't think he. I don't think he

:40:27. > :40:31.said they were nicer people, he said they were more edge gauged and

:40:32. > :40:35.talkative -- engaged and talkative? Some people have interpreted it as

:40:36. > :40:39.shorthand for a cut above. I'm not saying they are better people but

:40:40. > :40:42.they are more middle-class than Morrisons or Asda shoppers. More

:40:43. > :40:47.than half of all supermarket shoppers belong to the top

:40:48. > :40:52.socioeconomic groups, Morrisons' figures correspond closely to the

:40:53. > :40:56.average. At Waitrose stores more than three quarters of customers are

:40:57. > :41:02.from a professional background. But at Iceland roughly the same

:41:03. > :41:08.percentage are from the lower socioeconomic bands. No you haven't

:41:09. > :41:13.flipped over to National Geographic. What do we have here, this looks

:41:14. > :41:18.like something from a gym or a sauna rather than a supermarket? This is

:41:19. > :41:21.Morrisons very purposefully trying to appeal to the middle-classes

:41:22. > :41:25.with, it looks great, it is very theatrical, but this is going for

:41:26. > :41:29.the foodies, with the mist. I'm assured it service a purpose but I

:41:30. > :41:34.think it is mostly to look nice. Doesn't it keep everything fresh?

:41:35. > :41:38.Well. So would a chiller cabinet. This is interesting because

:41:39. > :41:42.Morrisons comes from, it is Bradford roots, it was a discount, value

:41:43. > :41:46.retailer, started by the Morrisons family, and it wants to appeal to a

:41:47. > :41:50.different type of people. How do you do it? Simply visually by making

:41:51. > :42:02.things look like they have come straight out a very upmarket Delhi.

:42:03. > :42:09.Deli. Some people it think it is what the hell? We offer a diversity

:42:10. > :42:12.of produce that people expect to BIECHLT we are a supermarket that

:42:13. > :42:19.represent people from all walks of life. You will see customers poor,

:42:20. > :42:27.rich, people from different ethnic communities and we are proud to

:42:28. > :42:34.serve them. Somebody compared the self-service store with a lending

:42:35. > :42:37.library. Once we all got used to the shock of

:42:38. > :42:42.the supermarket, pleasant or otherwise, it seemed as though there

:42:43. > :42:48.was a store to suit every pocket. Or rather class. In the classic British

:42:49. > :42:51.way. But new arrivals have helped to change that, say some. The biggest

:42:52. > :42:57.change we have seen over the last five years a very rapid growth of

:42:58. > :43:00.both Aldi and Lidl, and also Waitrose, which is putting pressure

:43:01. > :43:05.on what really is the middle ground on the larger group of supermarkets.

:43:06. > :43:10.And as those outlets have got bigger they have tended to move closer to

:43:11. > :43:13.the average. So Aldi and Lidl tend to have social demographics that are

:43:14. > :43:19.getting close to the national average, and the old stigma perhaps

:43:20. > :43:23.of carrying a shopping basket from there is rapidly disappearing. Would

:43:24. > :43:32.we find shoppers in Morrisons to live up to the PM's expectations of

:43:33. > :43:37.in-store banter? Is there anything to I what Mr Cameron says that in

:43:38. > :43:42.Waitrose you meet talkative people? Do you in here, I never use Waitrose

:43:43. > :43:49.I wouldn't know about it. Would you describe yourself as a Morrisons

:43:50. > :43:57.woman? No, I could be in Harrods one day and here the next. So was Mr

:43:58. > :44:00.Cameron well advised to big up his experiences at the supermarket or

:44:01. > :44:07.was it case of unexpected item in bragging area! We should also let

:44:08. > :44:14.you know that you can watch a longer version of our Rwanda film as part

:44:15. > :44:18.of the Our World strand this weekend on BBC News channel. Now one of the

:44:19. > :44:22.great lost treasures of British film has been improbably recovered from a

:44:23. > :44:28.Dutch archive. It is the silent movie Love Life and Laughter

:44:29. > :44:33.starring Betty Balfour and it has been on theritish Film Institute's

:44:34. > :44:38.most-wanted list for years. We have asked pianist Chris Rowe to play

:44:39. > :44:44.along to one of the scenes, the heroine in the bar is singing along

:44:45. > :44:56.to a tune well known from the 1920s, some of you may recognise it.

:44:57. > :45:46.This should be the last day of high pollution levels a change in wind

:45:47. > :45:51.direction tomorrow round to the south west will push that pollution

:45:52. > :45:54.out over the North Sea. Pleasant sunny spells breaking through across

:45:55. > :45:58.many parts of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, eventually central

:45:59. > :46:02.and southern Scotland. Sea mist may affect the east coast of Northern

:46:03. > :46:05.Ireland, but 14 degrees in land. The wind direction won't change across

:46:06. > :46:09.the east coast of Scotland, here staying pretty dull, cold and

:46:10. > :46:14.miserable, the north-east of England, offshore winds means a rise

:46:15. > :46:19.in temperature, but the south westly winds the key to pushing our

:46:20. > :46:20.pollution away across the rest of England and Wales. Still pretty mild