:00:00. > :00:12.Ukrainian troops are face-to-face with pro-Russian insurgents tonight,
:00:13. > :00:19.the Kremlin says it may be the brink of Civil War. As protestors march on
:00:20. > :00:25.the airport, will the Ukrainian army roll over again or fight? This guy
:00:26. > :00:29.is saying to the Ukrainian soldiers the other side of the wall, get out
:00:30. > :00:35.of here, this is our airport, this is our air trip, this is Donetsk's
:00:36. > :00:38.air strip. We will ask a leading member of the Ukrainian parliament
:00:39. > :00:49.what they are going to do. Also tonight. And in, and fling! Oh!
:00:50. > :00:54.Matron, take them away! A UN investigator is appalled at how
:00:55. > :01:00.sexist Britain is. Absurd or has she got husband banged to rights. And
:01:01. > :01:09.the story of a telepathic Russian dog that depreppeds -- befriends a
:01:10. > :01:18.disabled boy, what drug addled hippy wrote that! You might be surprised
:01:19. > :01:23.at the answer. Government forces in Ukraine today
:01:24. > :01:26.began trying to take back the ground occupied by protestors in the best
:01:27. > :01:29.part of a dozen towns in the east of the country. There was gunfire but
:01:30. > :01:33.to no-one's great surprise the United States said the Government
:01:34. > :01:39.had no choice and Russian officials said they were worried about
:01:40. > :01:43.casualties. Pretty much the precise reverse of the attitudes the two had
:01:44. > :01:47.struck when the protesters were on the streets of Kiev. This is the
:01:48. > :01:52.most dramatic confrontation between east and west since the end of the
:01:53. > :01:55.Cold War. At Kramatorsk airbase this evening, the pro-Russian
:01:56. > :02:03.demonstrators came face-to-face with the troops they see as their enemy.
:02:04. > :02:08.These soldiers are loyal to the Government in Kiev, and only this
:02:09. > :02:13.wall separates them from the mob. This guy is saying to the Ukrainian
:02:14. > :02:19.soldiers, the other side of this wall, get out of here, this is our
:02:20. > :02:23.airport and our air strip, this is Donetsk's air strip. The soldiers
:02:24. > :02:26.had arrived by helicopter a short while earlier. Kiev has said it will
:02:27. > :02:30.dislodge the seperatists from Government buildings they occupy by
:02:31. > :02:34.force if necessary. They have already lost control of police
:02:35. > :02:40.stations, they don't want to lose a military base. But the crowd fears
:02:41. > :02:42.this might be the start of the anti-terrorist operation announced
:02:43. > :02:48.by the Ukrainian President this morning. TRANSLATION: We don't know
:02:49. > :02:55.who these people are or why they are shooting, the whole town has come
:02:56. > :02:58.out to defend itself. For the first time inside Ukraine proper the
:02:59. > :03:02.demonstrators have raised the Russian flag over a Ukrainian
:03:03. > :03:08.military base. Yesterday we had filmed a group of seperatist leaders
:03:09. > :03:13.urging their followers to take control of military installations.
:03:14. > :03:20.This situation now is beginning to feel very, very familiar indeed.
:03:21. > :03:23.Angry locals, surrounding Ukrainian military installation, until
:03:24. > :03:32.eventually they fall. The only thing that is missing here is those little
:03:33. > :03:39.green men with the big guns. But today in nearby Slovansk we did see
:03:40. > :03:43.those men on control. They are different from the pro-Russian
:03:44. > :03:46.demonstrator, they have a high level of military training, they are
:03:47. > :03:50.heavily armed and discipline. We don't know if they are Russian or
:03:51. > :03:59.Ukrainian, their loyalty is not to Kiev. They were not keen to be
:04:00. > :04:05.filmed, but after some fraught negotiation some did agree to speak
:04:06. > :04:08.to me in private. I have just had quite a long conversation with those
:04:09. > :04:11.men in green with the big guns, they didn't want to go on camera but they
:04:12. > :04:18.did talk to me, I asked them straight, I said are they Russian?
:04:19. > :04:22.They said they are all Russian, it became clear they meant culturally
:04:23. > :04:25.Russian, they are citizens of Ukraine, one got his passport out,
:04:26. > :04:30.clearly a Ukrainian passport. They talked about Iraq, Syria, the evils
:04:31. > :04:36.of the west, they accused me of being an MI six spy. But then they
:04:37. > :04:43.asked me am I an orthodox Christian, I said I grew up in an Anglican
:04:44. > :04:47.tradition, then they said I must be a Pederast, then, their concerns
:04:48. > :04:52.were partly political but partly cultural. They felt threatened by
:04:53. > :04:56.what they saw as the culture of the west. 50 miles to the north the
:04:57. > :04:59.Ukrainian army began moving troops and military hardware in an
:05:00. > :05:03.adepartment to reassert its authority. Moscow has warned the
:05:04. > :05:07.country is on the brink of a Civil War, sending in soldiers against the
:05:08. > :05:15.protesters could lead to a Russian invasion. If Kiev does nothing it
:05:16. > :05:22.risks losing control of the east. Nervous militia men run around a
:05:23. > :05:27.children's playground, there are rumours of incursions, for ordinary
:05:28. > :05:33.citizens these are worrying times. TRANSLATION: I don't know what to
:05:34. > :05:40.do, I don't know what's going on. The masked armed man are clearly not
:05:41. > :05:47.from round here. As night falls over the Kramatorsk military base, the
:05:48. > :05:50.stand-off continues. This woman is berating one of her fellow
:05:51. > :05:58.protesters for trying to climb over the wall into the base. But moments
:05:59. > :06:02.later gunfire rings out as two men make their way towards the Ukrainian
:06:03. > :06:06.soldiers. They are warning shots, no-one was hurt, but some of the
:06:07. > :06:10.bravado here looks like it might be fuelled by alcohol. This is a
:06:11. > :06:16.dangerous moment for Ukraine, mistakes could have terrible
:06:17. > :06:23.consequences. About an hour ago I spoke to the leader of Ukraine's
:06:24. > :06:28.governing Fatherland party in parliament. I asked him why Ukraine
:06:29. > :06:32.was sending in the troops. We decided to do this because it is a
:06:33. > :06:40.very similar situation that we had in Crimea. When again these green
:06:41. > :07:01.men, again terrorists with Kalashnikovs, again we had the
:07:02. > :07:05.surprising uprising of civilians, the only way to clear these cities
:07:06. > :07:10.of real gangs of Russians is anti-terrorist operations. This is
:07:11. > :07:14.the same sort of language as Mr Yanakovic used when he was talking
:07:15. > :07:17.about moving against the protesters in the middle of Kiev. What is the
:07:18. > :07:23.difference between what the Government is doing now and what he
:07:24. > :07:30.tried to do then? You and all other correspondents, all our citizens
:07:31. > :07:37.never saw arms in the hands of those who make this uprising at the events
:07:38. > :07:41.during this Independence Square. We really saw how people without any
:07:42. > :07:48.weapons were killed and they were killed not only one day, they were
:07:49. > :07:53.killed second day, third day, and just now we hear 106 people without
:07:54. > :07:58.weapons were killed on the square and first of all on the central
:07:59. > :08:06.square of Ukraine. Now at this period in the region of Donetsk city
:08:07. > :08:12.we saw not our citizens, we saw a special troops that were prepared in
:08:13. > :08:17.the Russian federation who occupied all main buildings and not only
:08:18. > :08:22.buildings of, for example of councils. How do you imagine that
:08:23. > :08:28.this situation in eastern Ukraine will end? The Russian Federation,
:08:29. > :08:42.through their special troops that have the best ment they want to
:08:43. > :08:48.divide the Ukraine, they want to claim this is their territory and it
:08:49. > :08:53.will become the territory of the Russian Federation. First of all we
:08:54. > :08:57.need all the areas, airports, buildings of police, special
:08:58. > :09:01.services offices without common people and after this we propose to
:09:02. > :09:06.people with the weapons to put this weapon down. If no it will be a
:09:07. > :09:09.special anti-terrorist operation against people with weapons. There
:09:10. > :09:16.is a real danger though isn't there of Civil War? No, it is not a Civil
:09:17. > :09:20.War. When we are struggling against Russian troops it is not a Civil
:09:21. > :09:26.War. It is a war for our independence, it is a war against
:09:27. > :09:31.aggression, Putin's aggression, and so the only way, if we do no have
:09:32. > :09:35.some result in negotiations, any terrorist as well as in Great
:09:36. > :09:41.Britain, the United States, in all other countries all over the world,
:09:42. > :09:44.they must be localised and after this anti-terrorist operation have
:09:45. > :09:48.to do the main task, to stop this invasion of Russian troops against
:09:49. > :09:55.Ukraine. But in the long-term you are going to have to have, won't
:09:56. > :10:03.you, a federal system in which the rights of minorities are properly
:10:04. > :10:07.protected? Only 12% of people supported so called federalisation,
:10:08. > :10:18.more than 80% of people supported the unity of one state, the state of
:10:19. > :10:22.Ukraine. Even in eastern regions our constituencies supported the union
:10:23. > :10:26.country, not the federalisation, so it is a choice of the Ukrainian
:10:27. > :10:30.people. Ev now we proposed the referendum. Please we want to
:10:31. > :10:36.provide a referendum on the 25th of May, with a question, you are for
:10:37. > :10:45.unity of the country or not? And when we announce this proposition,
:10:46. > :10:50.first of all the members of the Yanakovic party refused the
:10:51. > :10:53.proposition, they want local referendums in some small cities and
:10:54. > :10:58.regions, but it is impossible. Our proposition, if really they want to
:10:59. > :11:05.hear a voice of the people, please we are ready to provide all country
:11:06. > :11:08.referendum in which people will answer. But they are afraid of the
:11:09. > :11:13.result of such a referendum. It is not a question of federalisation in
:11:14. > :11:17.Ukraine. Thank you very much for sparing the time to trac to us,
:11:18. > :11:21.thank you. Inflation in this country is now
:11:22. > :11:30.running at its lowest rate for four years. One. 6%. Figures out tomorrow
:11:31. > :11:34.are said to show wages rising ahead of inflation. A year before the
:11:35. > :11:41.election this is good news for the Conservatives. Ed Balls the Shadow
:11:42. > :11:44.Chancellor was steadfastly maintaining that this didn't mean
:11:45. > :11:47.the cost of living crisis was easing. Labour has already had to
:11:48. > :11:58.change its attack on the Government once.
:11:59. > :12:04.Let's face it, for years millions of voters have felt skint. So to use
:12:05. > :12:08.the ghastly political venacular, Ed Miliband has taken this jazzy retail
:12:09. > :12:13.offer right around the country. We have got a cost of living crisis
:12:14. > :12:16.facing ordinary families. I wanted to talk about the cost of living
:12:17. > :12:21.crisis. We have a lost of living crisis in the country.
:12:22. > :12:25.The top priority for the budget today has to be the cost of living
:12:26. > :12:30.crisis. Is it still a crisis. Prices are rising at their slowest pace for
:12:31. > :12:33.four years, tomorrow expect number crunches to say wages have caught
:12:34. > :12:39.up. Rejoice if you are worried how far your cash goes, maybe not if you
:12:40. > :12:43.are a Labour strategist. For as long assuages were dragging behind price
:12:44. > :12:50.rises the retail offer, to use the jargon, made a certain political
:12:51. > :12:54.sense. Now the misery gap between wages and inflation has nearly
:12:55. > :12:58.closed, might Labour find they have made a mistake and put all their
:12:59. > :13:28.eggs in one basket. So if the statistics suggest the so
:13:29. > :13:32.called crisis is abating, has Labour almost started to shift, listen
:13:33. > :13:36.carefully. There is a long-term challenges to make sure if our
:13:37. > :13:40.economy grows that people share fairly in that rising prosperity.
:13:41. > :13:44.That's why Labour says not there is no cost of living crisis, that's the
:13:45. > :13:49.out-of-touch Conservative view, Labour says there is a challenge, we
:13:50. > :13:55.will rise to it. They can't return to Ed Balls's favourite hand
:13:56. > :13:57.gesture, the accusations about the slowdown in Government spending to
:13:58. > :14:00.kill off growth, because the economy, month after month is
:14:01. > :14:05.growing, but in real life there is still gain in talking about the
:14:06. > :14:09.pound in our pocket. Next year, come 2015, whilst incomes may be a bit
:14:10. > :14:15.higher than they are now, they will almost for sure be still
:14:16. > :14:19.considerably lower than they were in 2010 or in 2008 before the
:14:20. > :14:22.recession. One Shadow Cabinet member told me there is a conscious move to
:14:23. > :14:25.talk about the future economy. Another source said it is pretty
:14:26. > :14:33.desperate. Economic policy isn't more than bits and bobs that won't
:14:34. > :14:37.convince. But one senior Labour figure told me people are not just
:14:38. > :14:42.suddenly going to feel better off, the Tories' optimisim, they said, is
:14:43. > :14:48.disconnected with the public. The crucial question is what bargain
:14:49. > :14:52.does Labour try to strike? That is trick year, some Labour MPs want to
:14:53. > :14:57.take on the rail industry, perhaps even supermarkets after the energy
:14:58. > :15:01.prize freeze row, but this former ministers warns about pushing
:15:02. > :15:07.business away. I want to see a Labour Party that takes wealth
:15:08. > :15:11.creation as seriously as distribution of wealth. I'm all for
:15:12. > :15:15.justice and fairness in the work place, and in terms of public
:15:16. > :15:17.spending decisions in terms of health and education and everything
:15:18. > :15:20.else, but you have to create wealth too, and we have to be a party that
:15:21. > :15:24.cares every bit as much about the creation of wealth as how it is
:15:25. > :15:28.distributed. Is Labour at the moment saying enough to give business any
:15:29. > :15:32.confidence? It is really important to communicate, not only to business
:15:33. > :15:36.people, but to everybody who works for them, that you take wealth
:15:37. > :15:40.creation every bit as seriously as you take fair distribution of
:15:41. > :15:44.wealth. I think Labour has always been strongest when it does that.
:15:45. > :15:49.There is not much sign that Labour's able yet to agree how to make the
:15:50. > :15:53.sums add up. But it can't be oblivious to an ugly truth. When
:15:54. > :16:04.things get better for your political on Ponte al opponents it is harder
:16:05. > :16:08.to -- opponents, it is harder to cash in. Growth is up, and inflation
:16:09. > :16:13.is down, wages are going to be above inflation, do you want to apologise
:16:14. > :16:17.to the Conservatives? Look the growth that we have seen after three
:16:18. > :16:21.very damaging years of a flat-lining economy is very welcome and today's
:16:22. > :16:25.fall in inflation and what we expect might happen with the wages figures
:16:26. > :16:31.tomorrow, that is all moving in the right direction. It doesn't however.
:16:32. > :16:34.Well done them eh! ? It don't make up for all the lost ground we have
:16:35. > :16:40.seen since the Government came to power. We know that on average wages
:16:41. > :16:44.are down ?1600 a year since the election, and by next year
:16:45. > :16:49.households will be ?1,000 a year worse off. That is on IFS figures.
:16:50. > :16:52.That is not small sums of money for ordinary families to be struggling
:16:53. > :16:57.with. Absolutely not, but if people feel life is getting better, that is
:16:58. > :17:02.the key things isn't it? I think this is where the cost of living
:17:03. > :17:06.crisis continues to be suffered in a very keep way. Families are under
:17:07. > :17:10.real pressure, if I think about my own constituency where every time a
:17:11. > :17:14.bill comes on the doorstep people have their head in their hands
:17:15. > :17:16.thinking how they are going to pay for it. Whilst obviously the changes
:17:17. > :17:19.that we have seen in terms of inflation and what we think will
:17:20. > :17:22.happen with the figures tomorrow, as I say, they are welcome steps in the
:17:23. > :17:27.right direction, but people don't live their lives on a graph. Out
:17:28. > :17:30.there in the country millions of people are struggling because they
:17:31. > :17:35.are worse off and because by next year they will still be worse off
:17:36. > :17:38.than in 2010. Your policy started off being the Government was cutting
:17:39. > :17:42.too far and too fast, when there was a bit of growth you said you would
:17:43. > :17:47.match their spending. Then you said there was a cost of living crisis.
:17:48. > :17:50.What exactly is your policy now? Well the truth is that this
:17:51. > :17:54.Government did choke off, there was a recovery under way in 2010, and
:17:55. > :17:57.the choices this Government made on its economic plan choked off that
:17:58. > :18:00.recovery and led to three very damaging years of flat-lining. I
:18:01. > :18:04.don't think we can just write that off and say because we have growth
:18:05. > :18:08.very late in the day, with George Osborne way off on his own figures
:18:09. > :18:11.that some how that makes up for the calls that he made at the beginning
:18:12. > :18:14.of this parliament which I think were wrong. You have to have a
:18:15. > :18:19.policy going forward? We have set out a range of measures that deal
:18:20. > :18:23.with this very real and deep-seated cost of living crisis, whether that
:18:24. > :18:29.is on energy prices, which we said we would freeze, or childcare where
:18:30. > :18:32.we said we would increase the hours for parents of three and
:18:33. > :18:37.four-year-olds to 25 hours a week, these are practical measures. I tell
:18:38. > :18:44.you another name for practical measures, what one of your
:18:45. > :18:48.parliamentary candidates calls "bits and bobs" that don't add up to much
:18:49. > :18:51.at all? I don't accept that. We are also talking about the long-term
:18:52. > :18:55.changes we are seeing in the economy, whether that is setting up
:18:56. > :18:58.a proper British investment bank to support British businesses to grow,
:18:59. > :19:01.whether that's what we were talking about this week when it comes to
:19:02. > :19:06.regional economic development, a huge devolution of power,
:19:07. > :19:09.responsibility, money, to city and county regions, to really power
:19:10. > :19:14.regional growth. That is a whole range of measures. If this is so
:19:15. > :19:18.brilliant, why do people trust the Conservatives to run the economy
:19:19. > :19:21.much more than they trust you to run the economy? We are trying to do
:19:22. > :19:26.something we managed before. Manage competently? No, to be a one-term
:19:27. > :19:29.opposition, we know we came down to one of our worst defeats in our
:19:30. > :19:32.history in the 2010 general election, we still have to make the
:19:33. > :19:35.case to every section of British society and every member of the
:19:36. > :19:39.public about our offer. That is a task for us which we are not
:19:40. > :19:43.complacent about, we know the job of work we have to do. But the policies
:19:44. > :19:47.we have, the range of policy offers we have, I think, put us in a good
:19:48. > :19:53.place going ahead to make that case to the British electorate. Do you
:19:54. > :19:56.believe that the next election will be determined by whoever is judged
:19:57. > :19:59.to be the most competent at managing the economy? It will be a range of
:20:00. > :20:02.measures, that is in the gift of the British electorate to give. The
:20:03. > :20:06.argument I will be making and my colleagues will be making is that
:20:07. > :20:09.ordinary people. You can't think of a bigger issue can you? The economy
:20:10. > :20:13.will be a central issue at the next general election. The thing is
:20:14. > :20:18.people don't trust you? We know ordinary people are going to be, as
:20:19. > :20:24.the OBR tells us, worse off because wages will be five. 6% down on 2015
:20:25. > :20:27.than 2010. Why aren't people saying you will be better off running the
:20:28. > :20:30.economy? We have to continue to make the case to the electorate. There is
:20:31. > :20:34.a year to go and you failed to get through to them? Actually we are
:20:35. > :20:37.still ahead in the polls, the bounce the Chancellor saw after the budget.
:20:38. > :20:40.Not in the economy you are not? The bounce the Chancellor saw after the
:20:41. > :20:43.budget has dissipated. Looking at the polls today I would say if you
:20:44. > :20:46.are a Conservative you have a bit more to be worried. We are not
:20:47. > :20:50.complacent about the job of work that we have to do, we know what
:20:51. > :20:54.happened in 2010, we know what it is going to take for us to come back
:20:55. > :20:58.and form a Labour Government in 2015. We are up to that task, we
:20:59. > :21:01.have a range of policies, we have more to come which will deal with
:21:02. > :21:06.not just the short-term economic measure that is we need but actually
:21:07. > :21:11.looking ahead to the long-term, how we are going to get to a high-wage,
:21:12. > :21:16.high-skilled economy with sustained growth shared all over the country.
:21:17. > :21:22.What must it be like to live in the most sexist country on earth? Take a
:21:23. > :21:25.look around, according to the United Nations Special Special Raporteur on
:21:26. > :21:31.violence against women, who spent a whole 16 days in the country, found
:21:32. > :21:35.that sexism in Britain was more in your face than other places. She
:21:36. > :21:39.made no comparisons with her own country, South Africa, or Saudi
:21:40. > :21:43.Arabia, she was clearly rather appalled. This is a flavour of what
:21:44. > :21:46.she said. I think I saw that in yesterday's paper about the
:21:47. > :21:51.harassment on the tubes, that is sexist culture when you think you
:21:52. > :21:55.sit on public transport that it is OK to harass someone,
:21:56. > :21:59.inappropriately touch them, it is sexist culture. If I was walking in
:22:00. > :22:03.the street and they were whistles, which won't happen at this stage of
:22:04. > :22:10.my life, I know, but that is sexist culture. What is clear from these s
:22:11. > :22:19.of portrayals of women and girls is there is a boys' club sexist
:22:20. > :22:26.culture, that exists and it does lead to perceptions about women and
:22:27. > :22:34.girls in this country. My guests are with me. A writer and commentator
:22:35. > :22:39.who was born in Sudan, and Louis Chum, former editor of the
:22:40. > :22:47.Guardian's women's pages and Laura Bates is the founder of the Everyday
:22:48. > :22:51.Sexism Project, which collects women's experienced of sexism. What
:22:52. > :22:57.do you make of the comments? It doesn't really reflect my experience
:22:58. > :23:04.living in the UK. What do you mean? I think that women, there are
:23:05. > :23:08.problems for women, I quite agree, particularly young women at the
:23:09. > :23:14.moment, but I think by overstating it, by saying it is one of the worst
:23:15. > :23:20.most sexist cultures in the world, it just makes everybody believe
:23:21. > :23:27.there isn't any, you know. It just seems ridiculous. Your take
:23:28. > :23:31.presumably is entirely the opposite? Not completely the opposite. I would
:23:32. > :23:35.absolutely argue there is still a huge amount that women in this
:23:36. > :23:40.country are facing both on the more sexism end of the scale and when you
:23:41. > :23:43.look at sexual violence and that is often underestimated with a
:23:44. > :23:46.propensity to point the finger elsewhere. But I don't think it is
:23:47. > :23:51.particularly helpful to think about this in terms of one country being
:23:52. > :23:54.worse than another, women are facing horrendous things all over the
:23:55. > :23:59.world, the important thing is that we take it seriously everywhere. How
:24:00. > :24:04.does it seem to you? It seems it is obviously a bit ridiculous to hear
:24:05. > :24:09.that the UK is considered more sexist than places like Saudi
:24:10. > :24:12.Arabia, Somalia and Afghanistan. I think she was let down by her
:24:13. > :24:15.expression. It is important to understand that there are different
:24:16. > :24:18.grievances everywhere across the world. It is not a competition, and
:24:19. > :24:23.it is certainly not one anybody wants to win. But it is important to
:24:24. > :24:27.watch our language when we talk about these things, because if you
:24:28. > :24:33.are trying to highlight things that you think are sexist but not FGM or
:24:34. > :24:40.honour killings etc, you need to say it in a way that doesn't have people
:24:41. > :24:45.tune out of the conversation at the beginning. Look behind you at the
:24:46. > :24:49.screen that some person on the production screen has made you sit
:24:50. > :24:53.in front of? So kindly. I would have been up in arms about that if I was
:24:54. > :24:57.in your shoe, there we are. These are images with which we are all
:24:58. > :25:02.familiar. And they do represent women in a particular way don't
:25:03. > :25:09.they. Don't you believe that feeds into anything more sinister? I do. I
:25:10. > :25:15.think the kind of sexualised images of particularly of younger women is
:25:16. > :25:24.a real problem. I speak also as the mother of two girls. So I see it as
:25:25. > :25:27.a real problem. But I think when you overstate it, it doesn't help
:25:28. > :25:31.anybody. I think the sort of things that Laura Bates has been doing, I
:25:32. > :25:36.applaud them I think they are great. But I think we should also remember
:25:37. > :25:40.that we have come such a long way in the time, even I have been around.
:25:41. > :25:47.Do you think this is a generational thing? No, I don't think so, I think
:25:48. > :25:51.it is something that women experience of all age, women of all
:25:52. > :25:55.backgrounds and in all places as well. Do you think you face the same
:25:56. > :26:00.degree of sexual harassment as Louis might have done? I think it is
:26:01. > :26:04.really difficult to say, I think it is not necessarily about comparing,
:26:05. > :26:08.it is really dangerous to kind of go down that road of what things were
:26:09. > :26:12.like at one point. The point is that we are still in a country where
:26:13. > :26:15.85,000 women are raped annually, where over two women are killed
:26:16. > :26:19.every week by a current or former partner, where one in four women is
:26:20. > :26:23.the victim of domestic violence. To throw the baby out with the bath
:26:24. > :26:28.water and say this has been an exaggeration and everything is fine
:26:29. > :26:32.isn't accurate at all. We have made progress but we have a long way to
:26:33. > :26:40.go, is that a fair enough argument? It is a fair enough argument, but
:26:41. > :26:43.there is also a danger of viewing feminism or criticising sexist
:26:44. > :26:48.culture in the UK and in the west in general only through the prism of
:26:49. > :26:53.images and of popular culture. There has been a move in recent years to
:26:54. > :26:57.talk about feminism and women in terms of page three in terms of
:26:58. > :27:03.pornography, in terms of body image and the pictures we have behind us,
:27:04. > :27:09.that, I think, sort of hides far more serious issues that people need
:27:10. > :27:13.to speak about, equal pay, maternity leave, the lack of women in
:27:14. > :27:18.boardrooms and I think that there is a danger that we spend too much time
:27:19. > :27:23.talking about body image and the popular culture of sexism rather
:27:24. > :27:28.than actual practical challenge that is aren't FGM that aren't honour
:27:29. > :27:32.killings and all these things that obviously aren't happening in the UK
:27:33. > :27:37.but are practical drawbacks to women's lives every day. It's not
:27:38. > :27:40.fashionable to say there is a continuum, we should be obviously
:27:41. > :27:46.bothered by all things at the same time, but I'm far less bothered by
:27:47. > :27:52.the imagery of women in the popular culture by the lack of equal pay. It
:27:53. > :27:55.is funny you mention a continuum, the spectrum means all things are
:27:56. > :27:59.connected. I agree with the importance of addressing all those
:28:00. > :28:03.issue, I would argue that the sexualisation of women in the media,
:28:04. > :28:08.issues like page three feed into an impact on exactly those areas. On
:28:09. > :28:12.discrimination against women in the work place, on women in business,
:28:13. > :28:17.because if we're presenting women in the media sphere as sexualised
:28:18. > :28:21.dehumanised objects I think that has a knock-on impact on the way they
:28:22. > :28:26.are portrayed and the way they are behaved towards elsewhere. I would
:28:27. > :28:35.say that things, what goes around comes around in a way. You know I
:28:36. > :28:39.became the Guardian women's page editor at a time when Madonna was
:28:40. > :28:45.striding the world, and people talked about it as a post-feminist
:28:46. > :28:51.time, and it was very difficult you know, I can remember on the Guardian
:28:52. > :28:57.people groaning when I mentioned FGM, one feature over about four
:28:58. > :29:03.because everybody wanted it to be lipstick lesbians and how great
:29:04. > :29:08.their sex lives were. And then that grew and grew and grew to the point
:29:09. > :29:14.where, fortunately people then said no this is too much, we don't like
:29:15. > :29:20.this, and this is not about women showing their power, because that
:29:21. > :29:23.was only about ten years that was where everything was heading. If we
:29:24. > :29:30.wish to shake off, however merited or not, this opinion that has been
:29:31. > :29:34.delivered by the UN Special Raporteur, what are the practical
:29:35. > :29:38.steps that need to be taken by us as a society as a whole? I think one of
:29:39. > :29:42.the most important things which was one of the issues she raised herself
:29:43. > :29:45.is the importance of addressing these issues in the classroom. We
:29:46. > :29:51.know from a recent survey also quoted in this report that one in
:29:52. > :29:55.three girls aged 16-18 experienced unwanted sexual touching in school,
:29:56. > :29:58.and yet we won't have compulsory sex and relationships education that is
:29:59. > :30:02.dealing with issues like consent, like healthy relationships and
:30:03. > :30:06.violence. And I think it is just absolutely vital that we look at
:30:07. > :30:10.implementing that recommendation. Have you got further suggestions you
:30:11. > :30:14.two? As a foreigner and somebody who has come to the UK from a culture
:30:15. > :30:18.where women aren't visible I'm still shocked at how invisible women are
:30:19. > :30:21.in the public sphere? The UK. And I think something that should be
:30:22. > :30:25.encouraged is to have more women in the media, in Government, in the
:30:26. > :30:30.cabinet, visible, in influential positions, and not only in a pen of
:30:31. > :30:33.women's issues or women's health issues or as we are sitting here
:30:34. > :30:40.today talking about sexism, that is an important thing. Louis? I think
:30:41. > :30:44.one of the things that women have children and they very often want to
:30:45. > :30:49.spend time with them. You will also run into problems where women, they
:30:50. > :30:57.may be aiming for those kinds of roles but then they may draw back
:30:58. > :31:01.because they will always have a problem, a tension there. Even if
:31:02. > :31:04.the best childcare is offered there are some women that won't want to do
:31:05. > :31:07.that, they will want to spend that time with their children. But
:31:08. > :31:11.fathers have children too, there is so much we can do to make that
:31:12. > :31:16.easier for women, flexible working hours, shared parental leave. Those
:31:17. > :31:22.are all good advantages that have been made in this country. Right OK
:31:23. > :31:27.thank you very much. From what has emerged from the world of espionage,
:31:28. > :31:30.and counter espionage, it seems received wisdom that the greatest
:31:31. > :31:34.terrorist threat in this country comes from radicalised young men who
:31:35. > :31:38.have travelled to Syria to fight in the Civil War and then returned to
:31:39. > :31:43.Britain. How do these networks form, how does a young man get drawn into
:31:44. > :31:47.an experience so utterly alien to his life here. A group of
:31:48. > :31:57.researchers from King's College London have unearthed the vital role
:31:58. > :32:04.played by social media. Syria is being called the world's
:32:05. > :32:11.first social media Jihad. A conflict with combatants posting on-line in
:32:12. > :32:14.real time. -- real-time. Social networks have been embraced
:32:15. > :32:20.enthusiastically by foreign fighters. This is the most social
:32:21. > :32:25.mediated conflict in history. They want to use it to inspire people to
:32:26. > :32:30.come out and join their cause. They use the social media to promote an
:32:31. > :32:38.excitement, and excite youngsters over here to join them and commit
:32:39. > :32:43.violence. New research scene by Newsnight charts the rise of this
:32:44. > :32:47.social media Jihad. Academics from King's College London have built a
:32:48. > :32:51.database of tens of thousands of social media interactions, to map
:32:52. > :32:55.the conflict as never before. Their analysis provides a fascinating
:32:56. > :33:00.insight into the motivations of British and European radicals who
:33:01. > :33:11.flock to Syria to fight President Assad. Young Brits are travelling to
:33:12. > :33:19.fight. Big machines! Big boys, big machines! We have seen an horrific
:33:20. > :33:24.video with a fighter holding up a severed head taken from a bag of
:33:25. > :33:29.heads, that reveals the brutality of the conflict. Many are joining an
:33:30. > :33:41.Al-Qaeda group called Islamic State of Iraq or ISIS, fighting to Straub
:33:42. > :33:45.a regional Islamic calm ic Kalafet. The overwhelming majority in the
:33:46. > :33:50.database belong to ISIS, they have a low threshold for who they take for
:33:51. > :33:54.fighters, they brand their material. For young people that visual imagery
:33:55. > :34:00.is very attractive and seductive, that is the team they want to be
:34:01. > :34:05.part of. Remember this man? From Portsmouth. We obtained an exclusive
:34:06. > :34:11.interview with him near the Syrian front line in November via Skype. I
:34:12. > :34:16.am ISIS, this is the group I'm joining. Two weeks after our
:34:17. > :34:22.interview he was killed fighting with ISIS. What advantage is there
:34:23. > :34:26.in mapping it like this? The researchers from kings have
:34:27. > :34:29.mapped foreign fighters' social media connection, the lines, who
:34:30. > :34:32.they follow and who follows them. You can pull up details of
:34:33. > :34:41.individual fighters. What is going on here, can you actually go into
:34:42. > :34:46.say Iftaka Germain. Yes, all the lines you see are the individuals he
:34:47. > :34:50.follows on Twitter. And some of those lines are other foreign
:34:51. > :34:57.fighters who follow him on Twitter as well. He was a prolific tweeter,
:34:58. > :35:03.he is one of 190 fighters to feature in the new research. On Twitter we
:35:04. > :35:08.have elected more than 80,000 individual unique users who follow a
:35:09. > :35:13.foreign fighter or are followed by a foreign fighter. On Facebook we
:35:14. > :35:16.collected more than 4,000 pages liked by the foreign fighter
:35:17. > :35:19.community. Once we put the data together we were able to build a
:35:20. > :35:22.unique picture with other information as well about who is the
:35:23. > :35:26.most popular, who is the most important within these networks.
:35:27. > :35:36.What really shocked us is when we pulled up the data in tab later --
:35:37. > :35:50.tabular form, we noticed number one and three were two Sheikhs. So Ahmed
:35:51. > :35:53.Jabrul, a an American preacher was the most popular. He doesn't speak
:35:54. > :35:59.directly of Jihad, but speaks against democracy and the supremacy
:36:00. > :36:03.of Islam. Our religion was sent to be supreme not equal, we must be
:36:04. > :36:11.different to other faiths. He preaches the worldwide community of
:36:12. > :36:19.Muslims must spurn the unbelievers, the kaffar. Masses of our people
:36:20. > :36:27.will join in with the unbelievers in a celebration? Jibril sent a direct
:36:28. > :36:35.message to those who have died on Twitter saying it made them weep. We
:36:36. > :36:46.consulted an Islamic scholar about Jibril, he rejects democracy. These
:36:47. > :36:52.are sloganisation to create Anwar Animosity, saying we are superior
:36:53. > :36:57.and we are better. Democracy has a different meaning to different
:36:58. > :37:02.societies. Essentially it is about three people coming together in an
:37:03. > :37:10.association to air their views in a freedom. And the Koran supports
:37:11. > :37:16.that? Court ran -- the Koran supports that. The next most popular
:37:17. > :37:22.preacher is an Australian called Moussa Seretonian, from an Italian
:37:23. > :37:26.Catholic family he converted to Islam ten years ago. We will be the
:37:27. > :37:31.soldiers of Islam, holding high the banners. He says he supported ISIS
:37:32. > :37:44.because it is trying to establish an Islamic state. The capital of the
:37:45. > :37:49.Islamic city will be Al Quds. He's more explicit about his support for
:37:50. > :37:54.Jihad. He's extremely anti-American, and refers to the Department of
:37:55. > :37:58.State as the "Department of Rape". Last year a post on his Facebook
:37:59. > :38:05.page highlighted terrorist attacks on America, and talked of abhorrent
:38:06. > :38:06.and Satanic evil in both Republican and Democratic parties.
:38:07. > :38:10.Controversially the post also states they should be fought, explaining
:38:11. > :38:17.that we should stop them by fighting them, by assassinating their
:38:18. > :38:24.oppressive leaders. This is This is dangerous talk isn't it? It is quite
:38:25. > :38:29.dangerous, isn't T it is a selective passage quoting from a selective
:38:30. > :38:34.type of ideology. What they are doing is increasing the facade that
:38:35. > :38:38.is going there already. The chaos? The chaos on the ground, they are
:38:39. > :38:44.increasing it. They are increasing it mercilessly. They are increasing
:38:45. > :38:49.it and they are doing a disservice to Islam itself. Because this is not
:38:50. > :38:57.Islam. No serious cleric of knowledge will recognise it. He
:38:58. > :39:00.declined to give us an interview, but answered some questions on
:39:01. > :39:04.Facebook. He admitted supporting ISIS, but he also says he has been
:39:05. > :39:08.critical of the group. Some will argue his words are free speech, but
:39:09. > :39:12.when it comes to Jihad in Syria, crickets will say his sermons
:39:13. > :39:20.encourage young Muslims to go to fight.
:39:21. > :39:23.Now, pilot, trade union rep, member of parliament, cabinet minister,
:39:24. > :39:28.member of the House of Lords, cook book writer, what else could life
:39:29. > :39:34.offer a man like Norman Tebbit? His latest incarnation is as a
:39:35. > :39:39.children's writer. For man known in ward as Chingford Skinhead, it is
:39:40. > :39:44.gentle stuff, featuring a talking Labrador, the central character is a
:39:45. > :39:50.14-year-old who is left paralysed after a car crash that killed his
:39:51. > :39:54.father. Lord Tebbit's wife has been in a wheelchair paralysed since the
:39:55. > :39:59.Conservative Party bomb 30 years ago. He has learned a lot about
:40:00. > :40:02.disability in that time. What is the attraction of writing for children?
:40:03. > :40:05.I wanted to write something else, something different, I thought I had
:40:06. > :40:13.a few things to say and a few debts to pay as well. I wanted to pay some
:40:14. > :40:17.tributes to some of the people at Stoke Mandeville, the guys at Canine
:40:18. > :40:21.Partners, that train dogs to be help dogs, and they are quite remarkable
:40:22. > :40:28.animals when they are trained. And things like that. And to say
:40:29. > :40:32.something about the awfulness for a youngster particularly to suddenly
:40:33. > :40:42.find his world has changed right about him. Samuel, your hero is in a
:40:43. > :40:46.wheelchair, he's 14, isn't he? You have had 30 years effectively of
:40:47. > :40:51.looking after someone in a wheelchair, what have you learned
:40:52. > :40:57.about disability? That everything takes longer and costs more. They
:40:58. > :41:03.are the two principal things about disability and how much it cramps
:41:04. > :41:08.life. You get excluded from things. It just becomes more difficult to
:41:09. > :41:13.get places and to do things. There are not many hotels around where we
:41:14. > :41:16.have got hoists in bathrooms and things like that. So there are lots
:41:17. > :41:21.of places you can't go. I think that's what I have learned about it.
:41:22. > :41:25.On the other hand the country is surely much better if you are in a
:41:26. > :41:32.wheelchair or otherwise disabled now than it was say 30, 40, 50 years
:41:33. > :41:37.ago? Yes indeed. And a tribute to that goes to particularly the people
:41:38. > :41:42.at hospitals like Stoke Mandeville. The average life span of someone who
:41:43. > :41:48.is spinally injured is not much different to somebody who is
:41:49. > :41:52.perfectly fit. 50 years ago it was a very short span of life you could
:41:53. > :41:58.expect after a serious spinal injury. And caring for someone who
:41:59. > :42:04.is disabled is a special sort of task isn't it? It is and there are
:42:05. > :42:11.lots of easier jobs, so it isn't always easy to find people to do it
:42:12. > :42:18.professionally. My wife has to have somebody with her within hearing
:42:19. > :42:24.distance all the time, day and night. She often needs help and
:42:25. > :42:32.somebody has to be there. It is not easy, it is not an easy job to do.
:42:33. > :42:36.Are there any consolations to it? If there are I have not really found
:42:37. > :42:41.them yet. A friend of mine in a wheelchair once said it was very
:42:42. > :42:45.irritating whenever you went to a social gathering, always looking at
:42:46. > :42:49.people's stomachs? I could very much think that, fortunately my wife has
:42:50. > :42:55.a big power wheelchair and she can lift it up so she can still be
:42:56. > :42:57.eye-to-eye with her if you are at a cocktail party or something like
:42:58. > :43:01.that. Things are getting better slowly. Do you think we have become
:43:02. > :43:05.a more compassionate society, do you think politics are more
:43:06. > :43:09.compassionate now than they were? It is not so much more compassionate.
:43:10. > :43:15.We are better equipped in many ways to know what to do. How to handle
:43:16. > :43:21.things. There are more ramps, there are rather less obstructions in
:43:22. > :43:26.shops and things like that. Partly self-interest, retailers realise
:43:27. > :43:30.that disabled people have got wallets and if you can't get, if
:43:31. > :43:33.they can't get into your job they won't buy anything from you. You are
:43:34. > :43:36.a terrible cynic, I thought we had become a more compassionate society?
:43:37. > :43:42.Perhaps we have a bit. More thoughtful? We have a bit too I
:43:43. > :43:47.think. We don't hide disabled people away in the way that we used to. I
:43:48. > :43:52.think that's the important thing. That's part of the message of this
:43:53. > :43:59.book and this extraordinary alliance between the boy and the dog and one
:44:00. > :44:04.or two other characters, all of whom have a counterpart in real life. The
:44:05. > :44:10.places are all real, the things that happen are perhaps a little bit
:44:11. > :44:18.stretched, there is a little old lady in the book, as you may know, a
:44:19. > :44:25.dear, peaceful white-haired little old lady who played a key role in
:44:26. > :44:32.this, she is drawn in the memory of my former colleague lady Daphane
:44:33. > :44:39.Park who was just a great lady. The MI6 lady? Who ran is in South
:44:40. > :44:45.Africa, perhaps there is a streak of feminism in it, I never saw that, my
:44:46. > :44:49.goodness me. People will say you have gone nuts writing about
:44:50. > :44:53.telepathic dog? You have got a dog, you know your dog often knows what
:44:54. > :44:56.you are thinking. What's more he knows what mood you are in before
:44:57. > :45:03.you have got to the front door, when you come home. Now listen as you are
:45:04. > :45:07.here I must ask you something about contempory politics or they will say
:45:08. > :45:15.I have been too easy on you. What do you think of this new softer
:45:16. > :45:19.Conservative Party? Well, I think that the Conservative Party's place
:45:20. > :45:27.in the world is to do the hard, tough things. Because the Labour
:45:28. > :45:30.Party certainly won't. As you explored this evening. Forget the
:45:31. > :45:34.point scoring, get to the point about the Conservatives? I don't
:45:35. > :45:38.want to point score against my own side. I think that's happened. I
:45:39. > :45:45.think it was a terrible mistake in the election campaign of 2010 to try
:45:46. > :45:49.and move on to the centre ground. Because there is a centre between
:45:50. > :45:54.you and me, if I move to there the middle has moved towards you as
:45:55. > :45:59.well. And in fact I think Mr Cameron in his campaign persuaded lots of
:46:00. > :46:07.potential liberal voters, yes, even Cameron thinks that the liberals are
:46:08. > :46:14.right, so we vote liberal. I'm great exponent of the common ground. Which
:46:15. > :46:20.is rather different. You would never vote UKIP would you? I don't think I
:46:21. > :46:26.would want to vote UKIP. But I understand why people do vote UKIP.
:46:27. > :46:29.Very often people say to me why don't you leave the stories they
:46:30. > :46:34.have got so far away from you. I always say I have been a member of
:46:35. > :46:38.the Conservative Party since 1946, I'm not going to be ousted by people
:46:39. > :46:50.who are in charge at the moment. You know! Thank you. That's all for
:46:51. > :46:54.tonight, liver Football Club today commemorated the 96 people who lost
:46:55. > :46:58.their lives 25 years ago at Hillsborough. We leave you not with
:46:59. > :47:01.that but the voice of the Anfield Kop two days earlier before Sunday's
:47:02. > :47:05.game when it felt like it was more than just a football game the people
:47:06. > :47:12.of Liverpool had finally won. Good Good night.
:47:13. > :47:19.# Walk on # Through the rain
:47:20. > :47:35.# Walk on # Through rain
:47:36. > :47:44.# For your dreams will be whole # Walk on
:47:45. > :48:02.# With hope # In your heart
:48:03. > :48:13.# And you'll never walk alone # You'll never walk alone
:48:14. > :48:19.# Walk on # Walk on
:48:20. > :48:22.# With hope in your hearts Another cold one out there tonight, but
:48:23. > :48:27.another fine day to look forward to for England and Wales, through
:48:28. > :48:30.tomorrow, any more sunshine to come. Windy north and west, cloudy with
:48:31. > :48:33.rain extending in across Northern Ireland and Scotland, particularly
:48:34. > :48:38.across western areas, a real change in the weather, feeling cooler here.
:48:39. > :48:40.This is the snapshot mid-afternoon, patchy rain into Northern Ireland,
:48:41. > :48:42.west