:00:00. > :00:14.Gerry Adams is still being questioned by police in Northern
:00:15. > :00:20.Ireland over the death of Jeanne McConville. Her daughter says she's
:00:21. > :00:24.sure he was involved in her mother's death and will name names. They have
:00:25. > :00:28.done so much to me already in the last 42, what will they do, come and
:00:29. > :00:35.put a bullet in my head. Well they know where I live. Antibiotics once
:00:36. > :00:39.projects us from infections that kill, the World Health Organisation
:00:40. > :00:43.says that is over and even a scratch could be fatal. We will ask the
:00:44. > :00:49.Chief Medical Officer what we all do now. Unless we build more houses,
:00:50. > :00:55.prices will quadruple and face an historic drop in homeownership. That
:00:56. > :01:00.is the warning from Ed Miliband today. It was time from the half way
:01:01. > :01:07.line to the penalty spot and putting the ball down is where you miss the
:01:08. > :01:14.penalty. When your inner chimp is doing his stuff? Doing his worst
:01:15. > :01:21.work. The inner chimp could be the answer to England perennial penalty
:01:22. > :01:25.shootout heartbreak. Good evening, at 8.00 tonight Gerry
:01:26. > :01:32.Adams began his second 24-hour period of questioning over one of
:01:33. > :01:43.the province's most notorious murders. He is being investigated
:01:44. > :01:47.over the IRA abduction and death of Jeanne McConville. No-one has ever
:01:48. > :01:51.been accused of her murder. Gerry Adams has denied involvement with
:01:52. > :01:56.the IRA and says he's innocent in her death.
:01:57. > :02:02.??FORCEDWHI It was said his detention was a deliberate attempt
:02:03. > :02:11.to influence the forth coming European elections.
:02:12. > :02:15.Jim Reid is in Belfast. She was always on the go, washing clothes,
:02:16. > :02:21.making dinners, looking after her family. 17 men and women disappeared
:02:22. > :02:29.in the troubles. All were abducted, killed and secretly buried. Our
:02:30. > :02:32.whole family, not only our mother wasn't accepted into this area, we
:02:33. > :02:35.were strangers in a strange place. Jeanne McConville was at home with
:02:36. > :02:41.her children when she was bundled into a van by a group of IRA
:02:42. > :02:49.members. Her body was dug up on this beach 30 years later. The IRA came
:02:50. > :02:58.to the door between 5. 30-6.00, a rap came on the door and we answered
:02:59. > :03:04.the door and these people pushed past. They shouted "where's your
:03:05. > :03:08.mother", she grabbed the mother, and we grabbed the mother and held on to
:03:09. > :03:12.her and we were crying, and my mother was crying too. A week later
:03:13. > :03:18.an IRA man came to the door and handed my mother's purse in and her
:03:19. > :03:26.rings. And I realised then that mother was killed. I knew she was
:03:27. > :03:31.dead. The Good Friday Agreement was meant to end decades of conflict,
:03:32. > :03:36.building new democratic institutions and healing old wounds, but unsolved
:03:37. > :03:39.murders like the one of Jeanne McConville were never going to be
:03:40. > :03:44.forgotten overnight. Family members from both sides of the sectarian
:03:45. > :03:49.divide still want justice for the crimes of the past. The widows
:03:50. > :03:55.mother of ten was taken in front of these flats in 1972, wrongly
:03:56. > :04:01.suspected of passing information to the British authorities.
:04:02. > :04:05.I know these people and they know that I know them. And they know my
:04:06. > :04:09.family knows them as well. Just to be clear you still don't feel in a
:04:10. > :04:13.position where you can name names? No, I don't. Because there was a
:04:14. > :04:22.killing there last week, someone shot dead last week. There is still
:04:23. > :04:28.guns out there in Northern Ireland and they are out there. Tonight the
:04:29. > :04:32.leader of Sinn Fein is still in a police station in Antrim being
:04:33. > :04:35.questioned about that murder. Gerry Adams has always denied he was a
:04:36. > :04:39.member of the IRA. Denied he ordered the disappearance of Jeanne
:04:40. > :04:43.McConville. There is only one man who gave the order for that woman to
:04:44. > :04:48.be executed, that man, is now the head of Sinn Fein. But taped
:04:49. > :04:53.interviews appear to contradict that. Former IRA members spoke
:04:54. > :04:56.openly to researchers from Boston College, on the understanding the
:04:57. > :05:01.recordings would not be released until after their death. The major
:05:02. > :05:08.reasons why people like Brendan Hughes and Dolace Pryce came out and
:05:09. > :05:13.denounced Gerry Adams and said he was involved in these things is
:05:14. > :05:18.because the man himself has put several yards of clear blue water
:05:19. > :05:25.between himself and the IRA. People like that were motivated by the fact
:05:26. > :05:30.that Gerry Adams denied in such an emphatic way things that they had
:05:31. > :05:36.been involved with him in doing. That pushed them, I think, over the
:05:37. > :05:39.edge, and led them to say the sort of things they have been saying.
:05:40. > :05:43.Sinn Fein say the accusations are malicious, and the timing is no
:05:44. > :05:49.coincidence, ahead of elections on both sides of the Irish border. What
:05:50. > :05:55.other conclusion can I or any other person come to that in the mouth of
:05:56. > :05:59.an election, the leader of a political party which is
:06:00. > :06:07.experiencing huge growth all over the island of Ireland, finds himself
:06:08. > :06:12.under arrest? A back street pub in the heart of one of Belfast's back
:06:13. > :06:15.street areas was blown apart. There are active investigations into other
:06:16. > :06:19.atrocities of the past. Just this week a man was arrested and released
:06:20. > :06:28.over a notorious loyalist bomb attack on a Belfast bar. Some worry
:06:29. > :06:31.dredging up these historic cases threatens the fragile peace process,
:06:32. > :06:35.for the families of victims, this is about recognition and justice. Do
:06:36. > :06:39.you feel there may be an argument that at some point it is time just
:06:40. > :06:50.to accept these things happen and move on? No, when you hear people
:06:51. > :06:53.saying that, most people will say things like, English politicians
:06:54. > :06:58.that never suffered anything in the troubles. Or you will hear people
:06:59. > :07:02.saying from here who have never suffered in the troubles. I would
:07:03. > :07:06.like them to spend a month and live here and listen to half the problems
:07:07. > :07:11.people have. You need law and order, you definitely need law and order,
:07:12. > :07:16.and you need to address the past. Th beach gave up its secret a decade
:07:17. > :07:19.ago, there are another seven IRA victims whose remains have never
:07:20. > :07:26.been found. Part of Northern Ireland's history, that refuses to
:07:27. > :07:29.be swept away. After Jeanne McConville's
:07:30. > :07:36.disappearance, her daughter, the then 15-year-old Helen had to take
:07:37. > :07:39.care of herself and her sinles. -- siblings. Earlier I spoke to her
:07:40. > :07:43.from Belfast. Today your mother Michael said he
:07:44. > :07:47.knows the identity of the people who came to the house that night and
:07:48. > :07:53.took your mother, he won't say for fear of being shot by the IRA. Do
:07:54. > :07:59.you share those fears? No. That fear left me a long time ago. I don't
:08:00. > :08:03.fear the IRA any more. I will happily give the names I know to the
:08:04. > :08:11.police. Have you been asked for the names? I have spoken to the police,
:08:12. > :08:14.but I haven't come to any interview. You weren't in the house that night,
:08:15. > :08:19.you were out at the shops? That's right. When you came back your
:08:20. > :08:22.brothers and sisters told you who were there, so you have a full
:08:23. > :08:27.picture of who was there? I have, yes. Will you tell us the names
:08:28. > :08:33.tonight? No, I would rather speak to maybe the authorities first. Have
:08:34. > :08:36.you done so already at all? No the police haven't asked me yet, I
:08:37. > :08:41.haven't gone into full details with it. There were women and men in the
:08:42. > :08:46.house that night, weren't there? There was, there was four women and
:08:47. > :08:54.eight men. And you knew the women because they were local or why? One
:08:55. > :08:59.of the girls, she came in and didn't cover herself up in any way. Like
:09:00. > :09:03.your brother, do you see these people in the street? I have left
:09:04. > :09:08.Belfast now, but when I go back to Belfast I would see them in the town
:09:09. > :09:11.centre, yes. Have you ever confronted anyone who you believe
:09:12. > :09:16.was in the house that night, who was in the house that night? No, but one
:09:17. > :09:20.of them tried to confront me in a McDonalds when I had my children
:09:21. > :09:24.there for a birthday treat. When was this? Going back to 1995. When they
:09:25. > :09:29.confronted you, what were they saying to you? They were screaming
:09:30. > :09:32.at me, you know. Like I was accusing them of something that they didn't
:09:33. > :09:37.do, why are you picking on me, why are you saying things about me? She
:09:38. > :09:45.was feeling guilty I would say, not me? . At the time did you feel
:09:46. > :09:47.threatened, there you were, you were the oldest industry Sister in the
:09:48. > :09:53.house and your mother taken, what did you do? Every now and then I had
:09:54. > :10:00.to barricade the door, and make sure the younger ones were in bed, and we
:10:01. > :10:07.were locked in. Anybody running past the door sent fear into us. You were
:10:08. > :10:12.15? I was 15, yes. Did you try and find your mother? We went searching
:10:13. > :10:15.for her, my brother Arthur and myself went searching at night,
:10:16. > :10:20.looking in old buildings and things like that. We went to a republican
:10:21. > :10:25.club to ask questions. We were told you don't know what you are talking
:10:26. > :10:30.about, we haven't taken your mother. Then it was put into our face that
:10:31. > :10:37.is our mother had left us and was living in England with a British
:10:38. > :10:42.soldier. Helen, you then had a visit after your mother's death from the
:10:43. > :10:46.IRA, bringing back things to you, what happened? I answered a knock on
:10:47. > :10:51.the door and there was a fella standing there, a complete stranger,
:10:52. > :10:55.he handed me back my mother's purse, which had three rings in it. I asked
:10:56. > :11:00.where my mother was, he said he knew nothing about my mother he was just
:11:01. > :11:07.told to bring the purse back to our home. If you are prepared now to
:11:08. > :11:11.give the names of the people that were in that house, your house,
:11:12. > :11:15.sorry, that night to the police, why do you think the police haven't come
:11:16. > :11:20.to you for the names? I think the police are working on the Boston
:11:21. > :11:24.Tapes really at the moment. I know you were very instrumental in
:11:25. > :11:30.pressing for the Boston Tapes to be released? Yes. But do you not think
:11:31. > :11:35.the PSNI should be coming to you, if you have information? Yes they have
:11:36. > :11:39.come to speak to me, they have asked me things, but I don't really want
:11:40. > :11:42.to put those on air at the moment. You can understand, we will wait and
:11:43. > :11:47.see what happens tonight. I understand that, but I just want to
:11:48. > :11:51.be quite categorically clear about this, you are prepared to give the
:11:52. > :11:55.PSNI the names? I am prepared. Would that go for some of your brothers
:11:56. > :12:01.and sisters too? I can't speak for them I can only speak for myself.
:12:02. > :12:05.Any help that I can give to catch the people who killed my mother I
:12:06. > :12:12.will do it. You haven't given names but you are prepared to do so? I am
:12:13. > :12:16.prepared to do so, yes. Is it your belief that Gerry Adams was involved
:12:17. > :12:21.in the mother of your mother? I have always believed Gerry Adams was
:12:22. > :12:24.involved in the murder of my mother. Until the day I die I will believe
:12:25. > :12:33.that. Why do you think that? There is a saying here the dogs on the
:12:34. > :12:38.street know it. Even speaking to you tonight, you don't feel a fear for
:12:39. > :12:43.yourself speaking to us about this? What haven't they done to me in the
:12:44. > :12:48.past 42 years, what will they do, put a bullet in my head. They know
:12:49. > :12:53.where I live. This is a really difficult time for all your family.
:12:54. > :12:57.I wonder about this question, if it is the price of peace to leave this
:12:58. > :13:03.alone, do you think it will have to be left alone? No, I'm like any
:13:04. > :13:10.other, we're like any other family here in Northern Ireland who has
:13:11. > :13:16.lost someone, it doesn't matter who killed them, IRA, UDA, loyalists,
:13:17. > :13:19.the British Army. If the British Army had tipped me off about what
:13:20. > :13:22.happened here I would want them to be handed back to the police.
:13:23. > :13:26.Everyone has the right to know what happened to the person they loved
:13:27. > :13:30.and they need the truth and justice. Are you prepared to keep going, no
:13:31. > :13:37.matter how long it takes to get the truth about your mother's death?
:13:38. > :13:42.When I said in 1994 I will, the first time I spoke about my mother,
:13:43. > :13:45.I swore that until the day I die I will campaign for my mother. If
:13:46. > :13:48.anything happens to me I have five children who will carry on
:13:49. > :13:52.campaigning for the truth. And your children want you to campaign, they
:13:53. > :13:56.are not in fear for their lives? No. They didn't do anything wrong, nor
:13:57. > :14:02.did I, nor did my mother, we have no fear. Do you think that we are at a
:14:03. > :14:06.pivitol moment in the search for what happened to your mother with
:14:07. > :14:17.the arrest of Gerry Adams? Yes, it is the day we have been waiting for.
:14:18. > :14:25.Thank you very much indeed. Northern Ireland's Victims' and
:14:26. > :14:30.Survivors' Commissioner is here, and Peter Hain joins me from Belfast.
:14:31. > :14:35.Catherine Stone, what was said there, we need truth and justice,
:14:36. > :14:39.she's right isn't she? She's absolutely right, and what she does
:14:40. > :14:45.in a very dignified and poignant way is echo the voices of so many
:14:46. > :14:52.victims who say truth, justice, acknowledgement, that's what we
:14:53. > :14:56.want, and that's what we must have. Peter Hain, you were on record as
:14:57. > :15:01.saying you think there should be an end to all conflict-related
:15:02. > :15:10.prosecutions. How can you say that to Helen McKendry? I agree with what
:15:11. > :15:15.Katherine has just said, and I salute the enormous bravery of Helen
:15:16. > :15:20.and her brother Michael. What was done to their mother was horrendous,
:15:21. > :15:25.and if I were in their shoes I would be doing exactly what they are
:15:26. > :15:29.doing. So they should have truth and justice and prosecutions if
:15:30. > :15:34.necessary? If it is possible to get truth and justice, yes, of course.
:15:35. > :15:38.Even if it means high-profile prosecutions and indeed an end to a
:15:39. > :15:47.veneer of peace in Northern Ireland because of it? If you let me finish
:15:48. > :15:51.my point. It is simply the reality, unfortunately, as Katherine knows.
:15:52. > :15:58.It is very difficult if not impossible to establish the truth,
:15:59. > :16:03.sufficient to bring credible cases for prosecution over these matters
:16:04. > :16:08.which happened, in this case, over 40 years ago and in others even more
:16:09. > :16:13.difficult to establish the evidence. I don't know what will happen in
:16:14. > :16:22.this particular instance, I don't know what the detail is concerning
:16:23. > :16:27.Gerry Adams. But what I do know is Northern Ireland needs to find a
:16:28. > :16:30.different way, not of ignoring the victims' sense of grievance and
:16:31. > :16:39.injustice, of course not. But a different way of addressing it. But
:16:40. > :16:43.just to be quite clear, you said pre pre-1998, you believe an end to all
:16:44. > :16:46.prosecution, including the McConville prosecution. You either
:16:47. > :16:51.believe it or you don't, it is a very important thing to say? Simply
:16:52. > :16:55.saying in the absence of an alternative process, which would
:16:56. > :17:00.have to be judicially underpinned in the way that for example the
:17:01. > :17:04.Northern Ireland Attorney-General John larrikin has suggested, in the
:17:05. > :17:09.way that Richard Haas who looked at all of this, the respected American
:17:10. > :17:15.specialist brought in to look at the past, in way that Lord Eames, the
:17:16. > :17:20.former Archbishop of Ireland, and Dennis Bradley said in their report
:17:21. > :17:24.in January 2009, you have to find different way of addressing these
:17:25. > :17:30.questions. And you have got to can I just, you're interrupting me the
:17:31. > :17:34.whole time. You a giving eloquent and long answers. That must apply to
:17:35. > :17:38.British soldiers as well as to paramilitaries who might be accused
:17:39. > :17:42.of these things. Peter Hain appears to be saying if there is no prospect
:17:43. > :17:46.of a clear case of prosecutioner then it needs to go away in the
:17:47. > :17:51.absence of anything that would bring clarity? Victims are not niave,
:17:52. > :17:55.victims are not unthinking, victims know that with the passage of time
:17:56. > :17:59.it will be more and more difficult to bring evidence to secure
:18:00. > :18:06.prosecutions. But wherever there is a prospect of justice, we must
:18:07. > :18:10.deliver that to them. We can't deny victims access to justice, or even
:18:11. > :18:15.the prospect of justice. You are speaking to victims on all sides of
:18:16. > :18:21.the divide, and I do mean all sides of the divide? Absolutely. Everybody
:18:22. > :18:24.is of the same view, without any Truth and Reconciliation Commission
:18:25. > :18:28.there is a lot of unfinished business? There is a huge amount of
:18:29. > :18:32.unfinished business in Northern Ireland. Helen was talking about she
:18:33. > :18:42.would be in the same mind whether the IRA, the UVF, the RUC, whoever
:18:43. > :18:46.is guilty of perpetrating dreadful crimes against victims mu be brought
:18:47. > :18:51.to justice, where we can draw the evidence. Do you disagree with Peter
:18:52. > :18:59.Hain? Wherever there is a prospect of Jews justice, we must delivered
:19:00. > :19:03.deliver. That In Northern Ireland the past collides with the present,
:19:04. > :19:07.we have so many example, we heard today about the bar bombing,
:19:08. > :19:14.yesterday we heard about the families in the Lemont Hotel. These
:19:15. > :19:18.things continue to infect the present and the future in Northern
:19:19. > :19:22.Ireland if they are not dealt with. In essence, are you saying that
:19:23. > :19:26.there isn't really be a true and deep lasting peace in Northern
:19:27. > :19:33.Ireland until all these issues are resolved? There can be no
:19:34. > :19:38.sustainable peace in Northern Ireland until every victim has peace
:19:39. > :19:44.of mind. Should there have been a truth and reconciliation process as
:19:45. > :19:49.in South Africa? That is far too simplistic a model. To say you can
:19:50. > :19:51.adopt one model to another place. Do you agree, the South African model
:19:52. > :19:56.wouldn't have worked in Northern Ireland? Probably not. Part of it
:19:57. > :20:04.could do, if those responsible for atrocities, or terrible offences,
:20:05. > :20:08.came forward and cop fessed in a special judicial context to those in
:20:09. > :20:13.return for immunity. You could probably have part of that, but not
:20:14. > :20:17.entirely. I don't disagree with anything Katherine said in the sense
:20:18. > :20:22.that victims deserve justice and deserve some accounting for what has
:20:23. > :20:27.gone on. The truth is, as she knows, and we all know, that isn't going to
:20:28. > :20:33.happen for far too many victims. Therefore how do we find a different
:20:34. > :20:36.way of addressing all of this? My point is at some stage Northern
:20:37. > :20:42.Ireland has to look to the future, rather than to the past. The past
:20:43. > :20:47.will not be capable of being closed for far too many victims which
:20:48. > :20:50.pursuing the same prosecution route because you won't be able to sustain
:20:51. > :20:56.the prosecutions. Therefore you need to find a different judicially
:20:57. > :21:01.underpinned protest that isn't an amnesty or get out of jail card or
:21:02. > :21:04.any allegations that are spraying about, but is a difficult way of
:21:05. > :21:07.approaching it. Suggestions have been made for that. I think that is
:21:08. > :21:12.part of Northern Ireland moving forward and not turning its back on
:21:13. > :21:17.victims, but actually addressing the whole agenda in a different way,
:21:18. > :21:20.rather than being haunted, trapped and ultimately condemned by the
:21:21. > :21:24.past. It is very difficult to move forward if you have lost your legs
:21:25. > :21:28.in a bomb. It is very difficult to move forward if there is an empty
:21:29. > :21:31.space in the bed where your husband used to be. These things are very
:21:32. > :21:38.difficult for victims to think about. It is I am too for a
:21:39. > :21:43.comprehensive, systematic -- it is about time for a comprehensive
:21:44. > :21:48.systematic list in Northern Ireland. Why has that not been deliverable?
:21:49. > :21:53.That is a very complicated question for me to answer. We need to ask our
:21:54. > :21:57.politicians why that is not delivered. As Peter Hain says there
:21:58. > :22:01.have been many adepartments to produce a framework on delivering
:22:02. > :22:06.this. In the meantime victims wait and wait and wait. They wait for
:22:07. > :22:17.truth and justice they wait for acknowledgement and they get
:22:18. > :22:22.nothing. When Alexander Flemming discovered pencilian, who would have
:22:23. > :22:25.thought 100 years later antibiotics have license almost useless. The
:22:26. > :22:29.World Health Organisation has said the problem is they are so widely
:22:30. > :22:35.prescribed the bacteria have started fighting back. A senior adviser from
:22:36. > :22:41.the WHO saying a child falling off their bike and developing an
:22:42. > :22:46.infection will be at huge risk in the USA. We asked this doctor to
:22:47. > :22:53.explain what has gone wrong. We like to think of this as the cutting-edge
:22:54. > :23:01.of modern healthcare, but the real fight what has done more to fight
:23:02. > :23:06.for survival in the past century is the war against microorganism. The
:23:07. > :23:10.drugs used to treat infection are a cornerstone of that achievement. But
:23:11. > :23:14.the bugs are fighting back. This week the World Health Organisation
:23:15. > :23:24.published a new report. One which examples, for the first time, the
:23:25. > :23:27.problem of anti-microbial issues. It paints a grim picture. We are in
:23:28. > :23:34.danger of losing the fight, of entering a post-antibiotic era, one
:23:35. > :23:46.where common infections and minor injuries again become life threat
:23:47. > :23:50.ening. In 1945 Alexander Flemming and colleagues received the Nobel
:23:51. > :23:56.Prize for developing pencilian. Less well known is the Nobel Prize
:23:57. > :24:01.awarded in 1939 to this German, that prize, for the first commercially
:24:02. > :24:07.available antibiotic of a different class and different mechanism of
:24:08. > :24:15.attack as penicillin, was as important or more important than
:24:16. > :24:20.Flemming's discovery it set the tone for how antibiotics would be formed
:24:21. > :24:24.and marketed. They would fund on ward development and clinical trials
:24:25. > :24:31.and establish sustainable economic models for the sale of these drugs.
:24:32. > :24:37.Today this model is faltering. Antibiotics cost billions to develop
:24:38. > :24:44.and because of the resistance, new drugs rapidly become obsolete. This
:24:45. > :24:51.combined with the rapid evolution of antibiotic resistant bugs is
:24:52. > :24:56.becoming very real. I have seen several supposedly last line of
:24:57. > :25:01.defence drugs come and go. Becoming nearly obsolete. The World Health
:25:02. > :25:05.Organisation talk in near apocalyptic terms about this
:25:06. > :25:13.problem. About achievements in modern medicine being threatened by
:25:14. > :25:19.this anti-microbial era. It is scary to think what it might look like, a
:25:20. > :25:25.world in which less than 100 years after the discovery of pencilian, we
:25:26. > :25:31.became once again merely defenceless in the wake of common infections.
:25:32. > :25:35.I'm joined now by Dame Sally Davies, the Chief Medical Officer, who was
:25:36. > :25:41.today made a Fellow of the Royal Society, and the director of the
:25:42. > :25:48.Wellcome Trust. How worried should we be about this? I'm very worried
:25:49. > :25:54.on a global scale, we have antibiotic resistance in this
:25:55. > :25:57.country, it is natural and we do abuse antibiotics. In other
:25:58. > :26:02.countries it is getting worse and worse and that will travel here. In
:26:03. > :26:12.the past we have had resistance we have had new antibiotics, but no new
:26:13. > :26:16.classes since 1987. Why are they not being researched and developed? It
:26:17. > :26:19.is a very difficult field, the bacteria of the viruses, the
:26:20. > :26:24.parasites, are changing all the time, new antibiotics are needed all
:26:25. > :26:29.the time. And secondly because there is very little incentive, there is
:26:30. > :26:36.no pull to attract people to go into that area whether academics or an
:26:37. > :26:40.industry. We have to change that model. Because big farmer wants to
:26:41. > :26:46.do cancer and statistic tips and we have to take this lifelong. In
:26:47. > :26:50.parts. It is cynical in way? You have to understand the drivers of
:26:51. > :26:56.that industry and we need to change the model by which we often, we need
:26:57. > :27:00.to have sticks and use them properly. Then we have to have
:27:01. > :27:06.incentives for industry to come into this space and develop them with
:27:07. > :27:12.pre-purchase agreement, Governments promising to buy them. Patents and
:27:13. > :27:17.incentives. One of the things if they make a good drug, I as Chief
:27:18. > :27:21.Medical Officer will look it up and say only occasional use to save
:27:22. > :27:26.lives rather than let them use lots of it. There is the tension of the
:27:27. > :27:37.need to sell a lot and the public health need. Who is the arbator in
:27:38. > :27:42.all of -- arbitoir in all of this? We need to work with the Government
:27:43. > :27:45.and farmer so they develop and produce these goods and we buy and
:27:46. > :27:51.protect them. What the WHO was saying about the idea that a scratch
:27:52. > :27:56.can kill is incredible scary for people. Especially people with
:27:57. > :28:01.children who know if an infection sets in you get antibiotic. You gave
:28:02. > :28:05.a tutorial for David Cameron last month. As basic as that? We needed
:28:06. > :28:13.to understand, not coming from a science background. What bacteria
:28:14. > :28:24.are, how antibiotics work, and what they are made from, and how natural
:28:25. > :28:29.selection happens. This antibiotic resistance is developing. Do you
:28:30. > :28:33.think you pushed at an open-door for more funding and pressure on farmers
:28:34. > :28:36.by Government? We have a Government that recognises the emergency we are
:28:37. > :28:42.facing. If we don't do something now, in ten years time, 20 years
:28:43. > :28:47.time we don't have a new drug. It is not just one drug. We need a steady
:28:48. > :28:53.selection of drugs. We are now working across the stop of
:28:54. > :28:56.Government. In a debate which is how do you develop a global model that
:28:57. > :29:01.will deliver that. Hasn't your funding been cut rather than
:29:02. > :29:06.increased? No, science funding has been kept stable. But long enough?
:29:07. > :29:10.Scientists can always spend more. You have been made a fellow of the
:29:11. > :29:17.Royal Society, do you need more money. It strikes me if you take
:29:18. > :29:21.something else that had a global impact it was a search for HIV drugs
:29:22. > :29:24.and AIDS drugs. That was seen as something that was huge and needed
:29:25. > :29:28.to be moved on fast. We are not getting that just now are we? We
:29:29. > :29:34.have to make a priorty of this. It is a very, very good example, I was
:29:35. > :29:41.a sunnor doctor in -- junior doctor in London at the start of the AIDS
:29:42. > :29:47.academic. If anything underlines it is seeing young people dying in
:29:48. > :29:52.hospitals. That has stayed with me all my life, it is untreatable and
:29:53. > :29:58.devastating to community. The HIV community really pushed Governments
:29:59. > :30:03.and they responded, the UK Government, the British Government
:30:04. > :30:09.responded and we needed the European Union to come on board. We don't
:30:10. > :30:15.have it. With the AIDS pandemic, it was the early 1980s, the whole idea
:30:16. > :30:24.that we are facing Armageddon. You don't feel that sense of urgency
:30:25. > :30:31.with the antibiotics. Do you have to scare them? HIV is a good example we
:30:32. > :30:35.talk that we have turned the infection into like diabetes. It is
:30:36. > :30:41.not that because the virus will change, and the thought of HIV drug
:30:42. > :30:52.resistance coming is truly frightening. It goes beyond that,
:30:53. > :30:56.you wouldn't be able to do chemotherapy or cancer patients
:30:57. > :31:06.because they need antibiotics when they are doing therapy. Diabetics
:31:07. > :31:10.would suffer at the plea, the in-- This is about the whole of medicine,
:31:11. > :31:15.cancer, diabetes, it is across the board. You are a scientist in a way,
:31:16. > :31:21.but can you put to the nearest decade, are you talking about things
:31:22. > :31:31.like the major amount of antibiotics being fairly useless in a decade.
:31:32. > :31:36.Already we have resistance in this country for gonorrhoea. When did it
:31:37. > :31:40.come out? We watched it appear a year or two ago, and it is steadily
:31:41. > :31:46.rising. That shows you how fast it can happen. What is next if that was
:31:47. > :31:51.for gonorrhoea? We have problems, as you know, with TB. And as you
:31:52. > :31:59.remember the HIV, I remember sitting by the bedside of men as they died
:32:00. > :32:04.of TB, we have multiand extreme drug resistance coming in from abroad.
:32:05. > :32:10.Part of the problem is in the west, I have worked in Vietnam for the
:32:11. > :32:14.last 18 years, we have pushed it down the public agenda. All of that
:32:15. > :32:22.progress is at risk if we don't sort this out? Because we are too casual.
:32:23. > :32:26.Because we have been complacent. An Englishman's home is his castle
:32:27. > :32:29.they say, the way the housing market is going that man or women will be
:32:30. > :32:35.well into their 40s before they get the keys to the most modest of
:32:36. > :32:39.homes. House prices are rising five-times as fast as earnings. No
:32:40. > :32:49.wonder Ed Miliband sees valuable votes in generation Rent! If you
:32:50. > :32:54.thought we were always a nation of homeowners you would be wrong.
:32:55. > :33:04.Middle-class families rented with no shame. The dream of homeownership
:33:05. > :33:07.dates back not 100 years but #? Homeownership was supposed to be the
:33:08. > :33:12.future, but after building far too few homes and prices rising faster
:33:13. > :33:20.than incomes, it is looking like the past. Every time prices rise it
:33:21. > :33:23.makes poverty worse. Those who have less property have to spend more
:33:24. > :33:28.buying the same good. It is only those with more property than they
:33:29. > :33:35.need who are able to bank their gains and sell their houses. House
:33:36. > :33:41.price rises are a redistribution from bottom to top, young to old,
:33:42. > :33:46.poor to rich. We have seen the issue of many Governments not building
:33:47. > :33:51.more homes, that is a fundamental issue. The report shows if we don't
:33:52. > :33:58.tackle this problem now, within a generation the house prices will
:33:59. > :34:02.have quads re quadrupled into ?900,000, and we could see lots of
:34:03. > :34:09.children under 30 living at home. That is why we have to act now.
:34:10. > :34:13.Quadruple, I can hear your lack of shock! In 1961 it was less than six
:34:14. > :34:30.grand now it is 250,000. While we are supposed to hate shop
:34:31. > :34:34.price inflation, politicians think house price inflation will get them
:34:35. > :34:39.re-elected. Because homeowners will feel better off. If most people feel
:34:40. > :34:43.better off most people shouldn't. Suppose you own one of these flats
:34:44. > :34:50.and it is worth ?100,000, but the cream home is the house -- dream
:34:51. > :34:56.home is the house across the road worth ?200,000, then house prices go
:34:57. > :35:04.up, think about the price of the place you want to buy, it has gone
:35:05. > :35:08.up not by ?100,000, but ?200,000. It has put your dream home further out
:35:09. > :35:14.of reach. In 1918 long before we became
:35:15. > :35:19.obsessed with the money made on property, three-quarters of people
:35:20. > :35:25.rented in Germany. Once they have rented a place they like they stay
:35:26. > :35:31.there. There is much less turnover in the German residential market.
:35:32. > :35:38.The Germans are fond of theirs, they just don't see a point in buying the
:35:39. > :35:43.place. Richard Kay rents this three-bed flat in Hackney with three
:35:44. > :35:48.others. He won't be there long. Two months in he had the gall to
:35:49. > :35:52.complain about the washing machine. The landlord said it is not my
:35:53. > :36:00.problem, your problem. Either you pay for it or it just sits there. We
:36:01. > :36:07.kicked up a fuss about this and received a long-winded e-mail in
:36:08. > :36:14.which our landlord issued notice two weeks in. Ed Miliband offered to
:36:15. > :36:20.protect tenants from eviction for three years, cap price rents and
:36:21. > :36:32.stopping letting agencies charging fees. The opposition leader's
:36:33. > :36:35.initiative risks the wrath of landlords. Especially those who want
:36:36. > :36:42.to sell their property in months not years. The thing that has spooked my
:36:43. > :36:47.members and potential investors in the private sector in this country.
:36:48. > :36:53.Is the words "predictable rents", which everybody sees rent control,
:36:54. > :37:00.that is the thing that investors are frightened to death of. For young
:37:01. > :37:12.people without a parent to help them, the dream of owning a home
:37:13. > :37:16.drifts into the past. Ed Miliband may annoy landlords but gain the
:37:17. > :37:21.acceptance. The England team has a problem, the
:37:22. > :37:26.penalty shootout, it looms large even when the squad is dreaming. In
:37:27. > :37:33.order to banish the fears before the World Cup they are being urged to
:37:34. > :37:43.cage their inner different. That theory is from the man who helps
:37:44. > :37:52.many athletes to get gold. Now he's heading to the World Cup. They close
:37:53. > :37:58.in on their rivals. All need to be on maximum alert. Boy has he
:37:59. > :38:09.produced some snooker. Team work has brought this group of chimps great
:38:10. > :38:16.success. Right now the secret to sporting success involves harnessing
:38:17. > :38:21.your inner chimp. From cycling to snooker and football, the theory
:38:22. > :38:27.goes that inside all our brains a human and chimp vie for control. If
:38:28. > :38:32.the emotional chimp takes over it can be very destructive. Ultimately
:38:33. > :38:36.the chimp is in you, and five-times stronger than a human, so you never
:38:37. > :38:41.get rid of it. My inner chimp, I was afraid. If you clear your head you
:38:42. > :38:50.will be a more effective sports person.m -- person. Liverpool were
:38:51. > :38:58.playing with clear heads until they lost to Chelsea. They have embraced
:38:59. > :39:04.the inner chimp theory quickly. Another inner chimp person is Ronnie
:39:05. > :39:11.O'Sullivan. He overcame his demons at the world snooker match in
:39:12. > :39:15.Sheffield, only after a pep talk by the psychiatrist behind the theory.
:39:16. > :39:22.He has transformed the careers of many sportsmen. I had the talent but
:39:23. > :39:26.I wasn't able to bring it together. Steve has helped me clear that mind,
:39:27. > :39:35.and able to just go and play and focus. After years treating people
:39:36. > :39:39.with personality disorders at a high-security hospital, he helps
:39:40. > :39:44.sports people to tone down the voices inside their head, the chimp
:39:45. > :39:50.ideology. He usually lets his work speak for itself, but he said about
:39:51. > :39:55.this theory. Split your brain into two teams, you have a human team,
:39:56. > :39:59.rational et cetera, then the interfering team that can be
:40:00. > :40:05.emotional, this is the chimp, it acts like a chimp. When I brought
:40:06. > :40:08.the analogy out they said when they get emotional they can see
:40:09. > :40:14.themselves acting like a chimp. The chimp is everywhere, not just
:40:15. > :40:22.harnessed at Liverpool and Shell Sheffield, he is now also employed
:40:23. > :40:28.by England's World Cup squad. Success is untested. Proven though,
:40:29. > :40:35.Victoria Pendleton, who harnessed her chimp, along with Chris hoi, and
:40:36. > :40:43.Bradley wig -- Chris Hoy and Bradley Wiggins. He worked on the mental
:40:44. > :40:48.focus of the team for more than a decade, and it paid off with a haul
:40:49. > :40:55.of medals Tebay engining and London Olympics. His philosophy is a key
:40:56. > :40:59.element of the way things work here. Everybody's chimp is different, some
:41:00. > :41:02.is nervous, getting up and looking at the opposition, maybe the
:41:03. > :41:07.conditions aren't perfect, it might be saying I can't do that. Someone
:41:08. > :41:12.else's chimp might be overconfident. So making mistakes and thinking they
:41:13. > :41:17.can do something special on the day. The most important thing is
:41:18. > :41:20.understanding your chimp and the characteristics, and managing it. My
:41:21. > :41:26.inner chimp is telling me I shouldn't be doing this, fortunately
:41:27. > :41:31.so the human, rational part of my brain. This is a world class
:41:32. > :41:38.velodrome, I haven't got the right equipment and in work clothes. What
:41:39. > :41:41.is said, is when human and chimp agree there is no problem, what
:41:42. > :41:49.happens is when the emotional chimp takes over. Liverpool Football
:41:50. > :41:56.Club's troubles have come from not winning the league in 24 years and
:41:57. > :41:59.the loss of spirits on. That after spending only ?24 million, this
:42:00. > :42:05.season they are in contention, and hailed Peter as a genius. British
:42:06. > :42:09.football has been slow to watch on to embedding psychiatry into the
:42:10. > :42:19.cessing room. Perhaps it lies with this faith healer, Eileen Drury.
:42:20. > :42:24.Brought in to help the likes of Ian Wright before the World Cup. She
:42:25. > :42:31.sits behind me and you feel like you're in a Barber's chair when he
:42:32. > :42:35.said it. What did he say? Short back and sides please. It spent everybody
:42:36. > :42:39.was cynical, any manager who tried to do something similar would have
:42:40. > :42:45.been laughed at. So I think we should be much further along the
:42:46. > :42:54.line now than we are with sports psychiatry. It has taken probably if
:42:55. > :43:04.Liverpool win the title and for the second time Brendan Rodgers were to
:43:05. > :43:09.say I owe a debt of gratitude for him, lots of other people will think
:43:10. > :43:15.we haven't have an embedded psychiatrist. Nutrition was the big
:43:16. > :43:19.evolution, no more pie and chimp before the match but food for fuel
:43:20. > :43:25.and fitness. The players were at their peak physically but mentally
:43:26. > :43:31.it is another story. At World Cup level, penalty after penalty missed
:43:32. > :43:36.as self-doubt crept in. You know the whole world is watching and the
:43:37. > :43:44.whole country is watching, a thorn in England side as well. Talking to
:43:45. > :43:48.them about is the walk. Walking to the penalty line and put the ball
:43:49. > :43:55.down that is where you lose the game. That is when the voice is
:43:56. > :44:00.doing its worst. Will this team be different with Steve Peters on
:44:01. > :44:08.board, clearly his biggest sporting challenge to date. If they do
:44:09. > :44:15.harness their inner chimps and win. Perhaps we will all be reaching for
:44:16. > :44:17.the Peters self-help model to discover the chimp within.
:44:18. > :45:28.Now the newspapers. There is anything like a politician
:45:29. > :45:32.liking more than a good egging. Today it is Nigel Farage's turn to
:45:33. > :45:34.duck for cover. He was in good company, here are some of the best
:45:35. > :46:20.examples. Hello, brighter weather on the way
:46:21. > :46:24.for tomorrow, fewer showers as well, starting off with sunshine in
:46:25. > :46:27.Scotland, and north-east England, brighter skies breaking out
:46:28. > :46:31.elsewhere, during the day, the odd shower popping up for East Anglia
:46:32. > :46:36.and south-east England, let's take a look at things at 4.00, hazy
:46:37. > :46:38.sunshine in Northern Ireland, a lot of dry and bright weather across