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:00:00. > :00:17.The Government runs out of patience with the Police Federation. Evening

:00:18. > :00:22.all, I'm the mug tonight. It tells it to pull itself together or be

:00:23. > :00:26.pulled together. The Home Secretary cuts some of the public money it

:00:27. > :00:39.receives, but why should it get any at all. We tour the high and low of

:00:40. > :00:44.Europe who meet the bunch of people you have never heard of to meet

:00:45. > :00:49.those who want to be the President of the EU. Do many people know your

:00:50. > :00:53.policies? That is not the problem, they have to taken a interest in

:00:54. > :01:01.what we are proposing, I'm not running after the electorate. Can an

:01:02. > :01:06.inadequate cake be the reason for a footballer to quit his club. There

:01:07. > :01:17.is nothing wrong with the report, it is my rider, if you look there it

:01:18. > :01:21.explicitly says no brown ones! Two years ago when the Home Secretary

:01:22. > :01:26.went to the Police Federation annual conference in Bournemouth she was

:01:27. > :01:30.met with jeeres and boos. Today when she went to the same event she stuck

:01:31. > :01:33.it to them. The standing of the Police Federation could hardly be

:01:34. > :01:37.lower and today she told them if they didn't improve there would be

:01:38. > :01:43.laws to make them improve. For good measure, not that they will notice

:01:44. > :01:47.very much given the tens of millions they are sitting on, she will cut

:01:48. > :01:49.the grant they get from the taxpayer.

:01:50. > :01:59.It was a speech watched in near silence by the 2,000 officers in the

:02:00. > :02:03.room. This is my fifth... Theresa May has never enjoyed a warm

:02:04. > :02:08.relationship with the Police, this was not the day to build bridges. We

:02:09. > :02:15.have seen accusations of bullying a lack of transparency in the

:02:16. > :02:19.accounts, tactical campaign, huge reserve funds worth millions of

:02:20. > :02:25.pounds and a resounding call for change from your members. It would

:02:26. > :02:31.be the easiest thing in the world for me to turn a blind eye to these

:02:32. > :02:38.matters. To let things go on as they are, to deny the need for change. It

:02:39. > :02:45.would be the easy thing to do, but it would also be the wrong thing to

:02:46. > :02:50.do. The Home Secretary reeled off a list of police scandals, from

:02:51. > :02:54.Hillsborough to Stephen Lawrence, to plebgate, it was a forceful speech

:02:55. > :02:58.and the tone left some in the audience angry. Lots of public

:02:59. > :03:01.sector bodies under various Governments have gone through

:03:02. > :03:06.significant changes very quickly and it goes very wrong. You can't hand

:03:07. > :03:10.brake turn an aircraft carrier. I sat there and listened and didn't

:03:11. > :03:14.have a prepared question, I listened to everything you say, I would like

:03:15. > :03:17.to thank you, I know it doesn't correct but through 21 years of

:03:18. > :03:21.front line service I faced everything, including being

:03:22. > :03:29.attacked, hospitalised, saving lives, and for six years of

:03:30. > :03:33.full-time Fed Rep I represent every officer who suffers in the way I

:03:34. > :03:43.have. I have never had such an attack and personal kicking as every

:03:44. > :03:47.comment from what you said then. (Applause) It is almost two years

:03:48. > :03:51.since then Chief Whip, Andrew Mitchell, was stopped outside the

:03:52. > :03:57.gates of Downing Street, when it emerged that PC Keith Wallis lied

:03:58. > :04:04.about his part in the row, it set off a whole chain of events that

:04:05. > :04:08.left the federation damaged. A review called bad behaviour, poor

:04:09. > :04:13.treatment of staff and hoarding of financial information. MPs also

:04:14. > :04:17.criticised the federation's ?26 million headquarters in Kent, with

:04:18. > :04:21.its own swimming pool and hotel. Last month the chairman and General

:04:22. > :04:24.Secretary said they would step down after what was described as a

:04:25. > :04:30.worrying loss of confidence in the organisation. As a result the Home

:04:31. > :04:33.Secretary said today that ?190,000 of public funding, to pay the

:04:34. > :04:38.salaries of the federation's top officials will be stopped. Police

:04:39. > :04:41.officers will have to opt in to federation membership rather than

:04:42. > :04:46.being automatically enrolled, and the organisation will have to open

:04:47. > :04:51.up all its bank its and respond to Freedom of Information requests for

:04:52. > :04:58.the first time. The federation was created by an act of parliament. And

:04:59. > :05:03.it can be reformed by an act of parliament. If you do not change of

:05:04. > :05:13.your own accord, we will impose change on you. Newsnight understands

:05:14. > :05:19.that some of the measures now being imposed is -- imposed had already

:05:20. > :05:23.been suggested, but were either dismissed or implemented. Officers

:05:24. > :05:26.say there is a clear danger for the Home Secretary if she forces this

:05:27. > :05:31.through without consultation. If you are the Home Secretary you do not

:05:32. > :05:34.need to make an enemy of the Police Federation. The Government seems at

:05:35. > :05:38.loggerheads with the Police Federation and seems determined in

:05:39. > :05:42.some way to punish it. If it punishes the federation it might end

:05:43. > :05:45.up punishing the whole of the Police Service, the knock I don't know

:05:46. > :05:51.effect of that is the -- the knock-on effect of that is the

:05:52. > :05:57.public get punished, the don't get the service they are paying for and

:05:58. > :06:00.deserve. It is a brutal few years for the Police Federation, the Home

:06:01. > :06:04.Secretary says it is time for change, and that change may not come

:06:05. > :06:11.without a fight. We talk about this with Mark Reckless, a Tory MP who

:06:12. > :06:17.sits on the Home Affairs Select Committee, and Tony McNulty, a

:06:18. > :06:21.former of the committee. You were there? People were stunned, I

:06:22. > :06:25.thought she was magnificent, for a lot of people it was a stunned

:06:26. > :06:30.silence. It would have been so easy for her to paper over the cracks, to

:06:31. > :06:36.massage people's ego, to tell them it was the for the federation to

:06:37. > :06:40.choose whether to reform. Instead she gave an incredibly powerful and

:06:41. > :06:43.passionate performance, she just stuck to what she believed in and

:06:44. > :06:47.did everything possible to drive that through. And earlier on in the

:06:48. > :06:50.day I spoke to one of the key reformers who was really worried

:06:51. > :06:54.that actually the motion was going to be watered down, they would vote

:06:55. > :06:57.down some of the things and they wouldn't get the reform they wanted.

:06:58. > :07:00.For her to give such a powerful speech making the case for

:07:01. > :07:03.For her to give such a powerful was impressive. Did you ever try to

:07:04. > :07:09.reform the Police Federation when you were there? We worked alongside

:07:10. > :07:12.them, you will remember 26,000 of them marched outside the new Home

:07:13. > :07:15.Office because we to beinged some of their pay in a round of pay

:07:16. > :07:21.settlements. I would disagree with the analysis. I think she was unduly

:07:22. > :07:25.gratuitous, going for the person rather than the ball. She could have

:07:26. > :07:30.done, I agree in substance with most of the things she said, God they

:07:31. > :07:35.need to reform, I told the constables' committee when I met

:07:36. > :07:40.them recently. They get that. You thought she was playing politics? I

:07:41. > :07:44.thought it was to do with tomorrow and post-2015 Mr Cameron on his bike

:07:45. > :07:48.environment, which is unnecessarily given the seriousness with which

:07:49. > :07:52.they need to reform. Somebody said to me today she almost pulled the

:07:53. > :07:59.feet from the jaws of victory and someone who was there, senior fed

:08:00. > :08:03.person said to me they thought it was as much about revenge as reform.

:08:04. > :08:08.They get the notion of reform, even the most recalcitrant, I have been

:08:09. > :08:15.to some of their conferences in the past where it really felt like you

:08:16. > :08:20.got the claim and the next stop was the 1970s. I did a blog post with

:08:21. > :08:23.the constables and said you can't be as sluggish as in the past and

:08:24. > :08:26.expect any sort of respect from people. But she went overboard,

:08:27. > :08:29.there was too much politics there. There was a lot of politics there,

:08:30. > :08:34.wasn't there? I think there were politics there, but they weren't

:08:35. > :08:38.perhaps the politics people expected. When you heard her as a

:08:39. > :08:41.Conservative Home Secretary list this litany of things that had gone

:08:42. > :08:47.wrong with the police and say rather than a few bad apples this is more

:08:48. > :08:51.serious. When she said only 42% of black Caribbean people trust the

:08:52. > :08:54.police, that is unacceptable, that is why we had to change. What she's

:08:55. > :08:58.doing with stop and search many people would have thought why

:08:59. > :09:02.bother, Labour didn't for 13 years, yet she has taken hold of it and

:09:03. > :09:06.taken a lot of political risks, because she believes it is the right

:09:07. > :09:12.thing to do. Within you look at that conference, very few young officers,

:09:13. > :09:16.very few women, hardly any ethnic minorities and any graduates, she

:09:17. > :09:20.says we need a police force that serve the people they represent. I

:09:21. > :09:24.have criticised her on some issues in the past, but I was proud so her

:09:25. > :09:30.as our Home Secretary sitting there today. I think that is part serious

:09:31. > :09:34.and part pantomime. I'm in this perplexed because much of what she

:09:35. > :09:38.said I agreed with, but the pantomime was unnecessary. She had

:09:39. > :09:44.to threaten them, look at the organisation, look at the state it

:09:45. > :09:50.has got to? I spoke to key figures in the constables, they get the full

:09:51. > :09:55.36 elements of the report into how they should be changed. The Fed

:09:56. > :10:00.instigated it, you would think that she did. They had to, look at the

:10:01. > :10:05.state they were in? They know it is way past the last chance saloon. The

:10:06. > :10:08.bit of what is her vision for policing, a little bit not the bad

:10:09. > :10:13.caple routine but something that said to the people in the room, many

:10:14. > :10:17.of the catalogue of things I have gone through how appalling things

:10:18. > :10:23.have been through policing are historic and many weren't born in

:10:24. > :10:26.the room. Within you had a defending of police and crime commissioners

:10:27. > :10:29.and the passion she put into that, if the police for the first time

:10:30. > :10:33.don't like what is happening they can elect someone who can change the

:10:34. > :10:39.budget, the Chief Constable. They can but they don't. She said that is

:10:40. > :10:46.how we get change in policing. 15% turnout for PCCs. The Government

:10:47. > :10:52.cuts crime. There was a ballot box in one place where nobody voted.

:10:53. > :10:56.What about the public money, she mentions the ?190,000, it is a token

:10:57. > :10:59.figure. There are millions of tax-payers' money going to pay

:11:00. > :11:02.salaries of people doing nothing but looking after the interests of the

:11:03. > :11:06.Police Federation, which to all intents and purposes is a type of

:11:07. > :11:10.trade union? A lot of their members don't feel looked after. Do you

:11:11. > :11:14.think any public money should go for it? They have all the committees for

:11:15. > :11:18.different ranks, they didn't strike. They need to make savings so it

:11:19. > :11:21.costs less for officers and the public money doesn't need to go in.

:11:22. > :11:25.We don't need to have so much time of police officers spent with the

:11:26. > :11:28.fed rather than out on the streets. Overall I do think they need a

:11:29. > :11:32.federation, they are not allowed to strike. The most important element

:11:33. > :11:36.of this is getting a federation that represents its members as well as

:11:37. > :11:39.the public interest. I think now the Police Federation will take hold of

:11:40. > :11:42.this, run and deliver these reforms and we are seeing the changes we

:11:43. > :11:48.need in policing, crime is coming down. My experience is fed members

:11:49. > :11:53.and reps up and down the country doing a fantastic job, representing

:11:54. > :11:57.members through the most mundane of processes, that must continue but

:11:58. > :12:03.the reforms must happen. Crime is come down and there is the form we

:12:04. > :12:08.need. The number teenagers self-harming, cutting or poisoning

:12:09. > :12:12.themselves is increasing at a startling rate according to new

:12:13. > :12:15.figures prepared for the World Health Organisation. We will discuss

:12:16. > :12:20.in a moment, first, just how bad is the situation for young people in

:12:21. > :12:25.England? A decade ago a major study showed

:12:26. > :12:29.just under 7% of 15-16-year-olds in England self-armed, today that

:12:30. > :12:36.figure has almost trebled. A new study suggests it is now 20%, one in

:12:37. > :12:40.five of all 15-year-olds in England. The lead researcher thinks that

:12:41. > :12:46.level of self-harm indicates a much bigger problem. It is a real tip of

:12:47. > :12:52.the iceberg phenomena, I think, in terms of our other data also shows

:12:53. > :12:57.that for example 45% of girls feel low weekly. At age 11 that is

:12:58. > :13:02.significantly lower. As they progressed through adolescence, a

:13:03. > :13:06.whole series of markers of poor emotional well being seem to rise.

:13:07. > :13:11.What makes teenagers self-harm? Another large survey of young people

:13:12. > :13:14.earlier this year showed a water of those who self-harmed did so because

:13:15. > :13:19.they were bullied. But some of it was down to the every day trials of

:13:20. > :13:23.teenagehood. Difficult family relationships, and pressure to do

:13:24. > :13:33.well at school were also likely triggers. Now we have a clinical

:13:34. > :13:38.psychologist and author of the Skeleton Cupboard, Kat worked with a

:13:39. > :13:43.charity that intervenes to improve the mental health of young people.

:13:44. > :13:46.She herself self-harmed during the ages of 14-21. During that time you

:13:47. > :13:51.were self-harmling, what were you doing? Mostly cutting but also

:13:52. > :13:56.scratching, overdoses, anything I could do really. Why were you doing

:13:57. > :14:00.it? I mean I started when I was 14 and it kind of started by accident

:14:01. > :14:05.and what I found was the first time I did it I got a release from it.

:14:06. > :14:09.Ith very quickly came a very negative coping mechanism for me.

:14:10. > :14:13.You felt better afterwards that is what you mean? It is very

:14:14. > :14:19.counterintuitive. I imagine it is painful? Yeah. But afterwards you

:14:20. > :14:23.feel better? And also you get a certain adrenaline release when you

:14:24. > :14:26.self-harm, a lot of people get addicted to that sensation as well.

:14:27. > :14:32.Did you want people to know you were self-harming? No. I hid it for the

:14:33. > :14:36.first five years, which is no mean feat, and you know it took me five

:14:37. > :14:41.years to kind of come out of the closet about mental health problems

:14:42. > :14:45.so it was a really big deal to tell people for the first time. You were

:14:46. > :14:49.cutting on your arm were you? Yeah. So you wore long sleeves? For about

:14:50. > :14:55.six or seven years. What do you think you were doing? The first time

:14:56. > :14:58.I had never, ever heard of anyone self-harming, it wasn't one of those

:14:59. > :15:02.things where I had been on the Internet or seen someone else doing

:15:03. > :15:05.it, it was an accident and then I found out actually by going on-line

:15:06. > :15:11.that other people were doing it as well and actually I wasn't alone.

:15:12. > :15:14.Were you doing it because of a particular trigger, you were unhappy

:15:15. > :15:19.at a particular moment or a generalised thing? I started getting

:15:20. > :15:23.depressed when I was about 13. I have always been very anxious and

:15:24. > :15:28.had obsessive compulsive disorder, I was in a really low place and it

:15:29. > :15:35.just seemed to click and help for some reason. How did it help? It was

:15:36. > :15:40.just a kind of relief, I think a lot of people think self-harm is similar

:15:41. > :15:43.to suicide, but for a lot of young people they

:15:44. > :15:46.to suicide, but for a lot of young they stop them doi anything worse.

:15:47. > :15:54.It is a way of leasing emotions slowly. Tania Byron you see a lot of

:15:55. > :15:58.cases and deal with the families of people who self-harm, can you

:15:59. > :16:03.generalise about which social class it is most common in or which

:16:04. > :16:07.gender, it is most common among girls? It is but we are seeing more

:16:08. > :16:12.and more boys self-harming. You know the report today has really

:16:13. > :16:16.confirmed what mental health practicers who work with children

:16:17. > :16:23.and young people have known for years, there has been an increase in

:16:24. > :16:26.68% for admissions to hospital for young people self-harming, it

:16:27. > :16:29.crosses classes. We are seeing a lot of kids from back groupeds you

:16:30. > :16:34.wouldn't presume would have difficulties. Kids from nice homes

:16:35. > :16:41.and aspirational families, particularly those around exam time,

:16:42. > :16:45.they are under so much pressure that self-harming becomes a trigger. The

:16:46. > :16:49.intriguing question is why it is growing so much, it is not just

:16:50. > :16:53.exams is it? It is not, and chirp and young people do it for different

:16:54. > :16:58.reasons. A lot of people say it is attention seeking and a fad. And

:16:59. > :17:04.there are some young people who flirt with these behaviours and will

:17:05. > :17:07.stop. But there are young people like Kat who have significant

:17:08. > :17:11.issues, that self-harm is a coping mechanism. You see the self-harm but

:17:12. > :17:15.you need to understand what is triggering it, what is that young

:17:16. > :17:19.person anxious about, the depression, what else is going on in

:17:20. > :17:23.their life. In a sense it is more of a manifestation of other problems.

:17:24. > :17:27.Are there more sources of anxiety and depression now than then? We are

:17:28. > :17:31.seeing increasing numbers of children being diagnosed with

:17:32. > :17:35.anxiety and depression, and certainly in clinical services we

:17:36. > :17:39.are overwhelmed by young people who are presenting with these issues. We

:17:40. > :17:43.are also diagnosing more, that is not necessarily a God thing.

:17:44. > :17:47.Different the fact that 6% of the mental health budget is spent on

:17:48. > :17:50.children and young people's services, we are seeing services cut

:17:51. > :17:55.across the country. Waiting lists are so long that kids are chronic by

:17:56. > :17:58.the time they can be seen. We have a real crisis on our hands. We don't

:17:59. > :18:03.have the provision for these young people. They either end up in A or

:18:04. > :18:09.we don't know they are doing it, because they do it secretly until it

:18:10. > :18:13.becomes a chronic problem. I don't want to sound cynical, they grow out

:18:14. > :18:19.of it doesn't they? Some do, like they grow out of other adolescent

:18:20. > :18:26.behaviours which they transition through it. 50% of all mental health

:18:27. > :18:30.problems will show by the age of 14, 75% of all mental health problems

:18:31. > :18:37.excluding dementia will show by 24. Here we have a time in life that we

:18:38. > :18:39.know, neurobiologically we will see mental health problems, we are not

:18:40. > :18:44.invest anything that and spending the money we need to provide the

:18:45. > :18:47.services to people like Kat who need the support. When you go into

:18:48. > :18:50.schools to talk about this, what sort of response do you get, what

:18:51. > :18:57.are you saying to them apart from anything else? A lot of the team I

:18:58. > :19:00.will go on when there has already been an incident, a suicide attempt

:19:01. > :19:04.or there is knowledge that self-harm is going on. A lot of the time the

:19:05. > :19:08.kids, they are quite shocked that someone is coming in and talking to

:19:09. > :19:11.them so openly about their own experience, but they are relieved

:19:12. > :19:15.and you get a lot of young people come up to you after the class and

:19:16. > :19:23.confide in you and some of them are telling me things that they have

:19:24. > :19:29.never, ever told anyone Do they feel they are getting the support they

:19:30. > :19:32.need at school? No. We have been campaigning to get mental health on

:19:33. > :19:35.the curriculum. I have certainly been campaigning on that for about

:19:36. > :19:39.five years and we have seen no change at all. It seems like we are

:19:40. > :19:44.missing a real trick with PSHE lessons. If we could do mental

:19:45. > :19:47.health lessons in the way we do sex and relationship education we would

:19:48. > :19:51.target a huge amount of young people. You would support that view?

:19:52. > :19:56.Completely support that view. Absolutely, we are not helping

:19:57. > :19:59.children learn to grow in their emotional resilience, and children

:20:00. > :20:03.really do struggle with anxiety, there is a lot of pressure on kids,

:20:04. > :20:08.a lot of targets, a lot of testing, a risk avest society, kids raised in

:20:09. > :20:13.captivity, I could go on and on. This has to be a wake-up call, we

:20:14. > :20:18.have an election next year, where is is the investment in child and young

:20:19. > :20:25.adult mental health services and the most vulnerable of our generation.

:20:26. > :20:31.The Russian President Vladimir Putin was doubtless a bit busy signing a

:20:32. > :20:37.$400 billion deal to supply China with energy to pay much attention to

:20:38. > :20:45.wh Prince Charles has said about him. He is said to have compared him

:20:46. > :20:50.to Hitler in German. Germany, it is not too controversial, more about

:20:51. > :20:55.the law on internet discussions, more or less sooner or later some

:20:56. > :20:59.fool will liken someone to the Nazis. Is he right, we have been

:21:00. > :21:04.getting the reaction from the streets of action. He has no right

:21:05. > :21:09.to speak anything in England. There is freedom of -- he has a right to

:21:10. > :21:14.speak anything in England, there is a freedom of speech in England and

:21:15. > :21:17.Russia. Prince Charles is crazy, Putin is a good man. He has a right

:21:18. > :21:23.to have this opinion Putin is a good man. He has a right

:21:24. > :21:27.think Putin is like Hitler. I think Prince Charles is a little bit

:21:28. > :21:34.afraid of Putin. He doesn't kill people, Hitler killed people and he

:21:35. > :21:42.had a philosophy that was based on putting people into prison camps and

:21:43. > :21:48.killing them. It is not correct, our President is good. With us now is

:21:49. > :21:56.historian and author of Berlin, and Stalin grabbed, two a-- Stalingrad,

:21:57. > :22:00.two accounts of the Second World War. Does this account hold water?

:22:01. > :22:04.There is always a great danger in making any historical parallels, I

:22:05. > :22:08.am afraid the Second World War has become the dominant reference point

:22:09. > :22:12.for every crisis and conflict. It is dang us from that point. Having said

:22:13. > :22:22.that there is no doubt that there are certain disturbing echos, 1938

:22:23. > :22:35.and 1939, for example the whole question of Odessa, claims on a

:22:36. > :22:39.corridor to. Also discussion and mum merits that Ukraine should be

:22:40. > :22:44.partitions with Poland. The Poles wanted nothing to do with it. It is

:22:45. > :22:49.interesting to see the particular echos. Much more than the historical

:22:50. > :22:54.parallels is a question of mentality. German, of course, had

:22:55. > :23:00.this burning resentment, which Putin echoed with his fear that the

:23:01. > :23:06.collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopoliticle... You are

:23:07. > :23:10.comparing Hitler's and Germany's anxiety and anger about the treaty

:23:11. > :23:14.of Versailles with the way that Putin and much of modern Russia

:23:15. > :23:18.feels about the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet

:23:19. > :23:22.Union? Indeed. But also there is a similar national self-centeredness.

:23:23. > :23:29.A feeling that they are hemmed in and the rest of the world doesn't

:23:30. > :23:33.stand them. Thank God, on the other side, I don't think that Putin will

:23:34. > :23:35.be like Hitler who was furious he didn't have a war in 1938, in

:23:36. > :23:41.September. I don't think didn't have a war in 1938, in

:23:42. > :23:47.is crazy enough to want to actually have a war. If you were a real

:23:48. > :23:52.pessimist, you could see if this comparison would lead naturally to a

:23:53. > :23:56.comparison we are going to have some sort of confrontation? History is

:23:57. > :24:00.never predictive and it doesn't necessarily mean that anything is

:24:01. > :24:04.going to follow in the same pattern but you can see certain echos which

:24:05. > :24:11.is enough to make one fairly nervous. I think a lot of people

:24:12. > :24:17.have mentioned that and seen T As far as tactics go there are some

:24:18. > :24:22.similarities, if you look at German behaviour? The same game of playing

:24:23. > :24:27.four national self-determination amongst minorities and so forth. Do

:24:28. > :24:32.you think that we in the west, you have alluded to this already, that

:24:33. > :24:36.we in the west really understand how the world works to people

:24:37. > :24:38.we in the west really understand how themselves on the other side of the

:24:39. > :24:42.fence? I don't think we do. This is one of the problems, we have failed

:24:43. > :24:47.to understand why Russia feels the way it does. It doesn't recognise

:24:48. > :24:53.Ukraine as a separate one, they believe it is little Russia and an

:24:54. > :24:59.integral part of what they see as greater Russia. You could say that

:25:00. > :25:02.Hitler had a notion of huge Deutschland and the other parts that

:25:03. > :25:06.should belong. What is your prescription for that? I wouldn't

:25:07. > :25:12.dare make one, but I do think there are, thank God, differences, there

:25:13. > :25:16.is no way that Putin would dare to go to war in this particular way.

:25:17. > :25:21.But he is certainly going to extract everything he can without of the

:25:22. > :25:26.stablisation of Ukraine. We could think more broadly about the way the

:25:27. > :25:30.world is and how people in the different parts of the world might

:25:31. > :25:35.see it differently from us? Absolutely, the Chinese see it

:25:36. > :25:39.differently. They are very easy at the way Putin is playing the

:25:40. > :25:43.self-determination card. They are worried about Tibet and the extreme

:25:44. > :25:47.North West of China. They don't like any notions of playing very

:25:48. > :25:55.dangerous games. Thank you very much. Thank you. Dove droned on much

:25:56. > :25:58.of this week about the elections to the European Parliament. This is of

:25:59. > :26:03.course charity work, because the overwhelming likelihood is that most

:26:04. > :26:07.voters simply won't turn out tomorrow. This is not unconnected

:26:08. > :26:11.with the fact that so many consider the European Parliament a gross

:26:12. > :26:14.irrelevance. But there is another European election campaign being

:26:15. > :26:18.waged from which voters are even more estranged. It is the

:26:19. > :26:22.competition to become President of the European Commission, a position

:26:23. > :26:33.as subject to popular democracy as being head of the Chinese politic

:26:34. > :26:37.bureau. They are the candidates you have

:26:38. > :26:42.never heard of and you may know nothing about in the elections, we

:26:43. > :26:45.bring you the campaign for the top job in Europe, President of the

:26:46. > :26:58.Commission. Apparently this time it is different, you get to decide.

:26:59. > :27:09.Sort of. We try out the names on the unsuspecting electorate. What do you

:27:10. > :27:16.feel about Gida Hofstad. What about Martin Shults? No idea. I used to be

:27:17. > :27:28.ballad. By choice. It is a great hairstyle, easy to take care of. One

:27:29. > :27:31.joke curtesy of winninger of -- winner of Eurovision is this man,

:27:32. > :27:38.this centre right politician wants to be the next President of the

:27:39. > :27:43.European Commission, the law makers of Europe. We joined his battle bus

:27:44. > :27:49.in Athens with an ever-present police escort. It is the 35th

:27:50. > :27:54.European city he has visited since his campaign began. Do you think

:27:55. > :27:58.many people know your policies? I don't know, but that is not really

:27:59. > :28:02.my problem, of course it is my problem, but they have to take

:28:03. > :28:05.interest in what we are proposing. I'm not running after the

:28:06. > :28:11.electorate, they have to inform themselves. The President right now

:28:12. > :28:20.is Jose Manuel Barroso. He was chosen, like all his predesows --

:28:21. > :28:23.predecessors in a back room deal. The EU leaders must now pick a

:28:24. > :28:26.President taking into account the results of the elections of the

:28:27. > :28:33.European Parliament. What does that mean, stick with me here, it depends

:28:34. > :28:40.on interpretation, but some MEPs say Europe's 400 million voters will

:28:41. > :28:44.influence who gets the top job. That is why he's touring Europe. A hard

:28:45. > :28:52.hat essential these days for politicians interacting with the

:28:53. > :29:01.electorate. Here he is checking out the extension to the Athens Metro.

:29:02. > :29:08.The Greek Prime Minister also made him welcome. Mr Samaras is on the

:29:09. > :29:12.European Council, it doesn't look like he's waiting until the election

:29:13. > :29:19.results to let us know who he wants to be President. They understand

:29:20. > :29:23.about democracy in Athens, they invented the concept, literally

:29:24. > :29:25."power to the people", that is what the European Parliament claims is

:29:26. > :29:28.happening in the up coming elections, that voters are being

:29:29. > :29:38.given power in a way they have never had it before. But things aren't

:29:39. > :29:44.always as they seem. Perspective often shapes our view. That's clear

:29:45. > :29:50.in mini-Europe, Brussels tribute to the EU, here appearances can be

:29:51. > :29:56.deceptive, and critics say the same of the new European-style democracy.

:29:57. > :30:00.It is a very imperfect procedure, because in Britain you cannot vote

:30:01. > :30:05.for Mr Juncker, there is no party supporting him. Mr Shulz is the

:30:06. > :30:09.party of the socialist family, people can only vote for him in

:30:10. > :30:14.Germany. In Britain you didn't vote for him and Labour does not support

:30:15. > :30:20.him, what is the legitimacy of his nomination, I don't see that. To

:30:21. > :30:24.counter criticism the presidential candidates have held a series of

:30:25. > :30:30.live TV debates to an audience of... . Best skip over that. But Newsnight

:30:31. > :30:34.won't accept the long-held view that European politicians are frankly

:30:35. > :30:41.boring. We have scoured the biographies so you don't have to.

:30:42. > :30:52.Juncker is favourite, chosen by the centre right EPP. Martin Shulz was

:30:53. > :30:59.picked by socialist. Mr Hofstad is the choice of liberals and

:31:00. > :31:09.democrats. The far left have Greece's opposition leader. Mr

:31:10. > :31:15.Keller is one of two grown candidates. Take note though, this

:31:16. > :31:19.race is a Conservative and euro-sceptic free zone. Because none

:31:20. > :31:23.of those parties buy into it. Everybody nowadays is complaining

:31:24. > :31:27.about the low voters turnout, and for once we are doing a big leap

:31:28. > :31:32.forward for democracy, and giving people real choice, also putting

:31:33. > :31:34.faces on party programmes. Do you really believe TWHAUN of you will be

:31:35. > :31:39.the President of the Commission? Yes, absolutely, I strongly believe

:31:40. > :31:42.that one of us five will be commissioned President, because that

:31:43. > :31:49.would be following the treaties. I think the member states would deal a

:31:50. > :31:53.great blow to democracy if they were to disregard the vote of European

:31:54. > :31:58.citizens. But disregard it they may, despite

:31:59. > :32:04.all the trips around Europe, primarily on public fund, the treaty

:32:05. > :32:09.says the EU leaders still nominate the President. MEPs will vote or

:32:10. > :32:14.veto that choice. It is thought many, including David Cameron have

:32:15. > :32:19.no plans for any of the candidates on public view. Outside the pulse

:32:20. > :32:25.parliament amongst clued up Europeans I road tested the concept.

:32:26. > :32:29.As I understand it the MEPs say you vote, your vote counts towards

:32:30. > :32:35.choosing which party is the largest party in the parliament, the Lisbon

:32:36. > :32:41.commission nominates somebody and the MEPs vote on it? The general

:32:42. > :32:47.public get a superficial say in it, we don't get a vote, we just kind

:32:48. > :32:52.of, it is kind of pretending. Lots of people say this is the big new

:32:53. > :32:56.democracy in Europe, the big change? It don't like or sound like that to

:32:57. > :33:00.me. What it is, is an attempt to link

:33:01. > :33:04.the voters of Europe with the institutions that affect their

:33:05. > :33:08.lives. If they are paying attention the EU citizens will find out how it

:33:09. > :33:12.plays all out. Back now to the election, we do have

:33:13. > :33:20.a vote in, and it was the last day of campaigning for them today, din

:33:21. > :33:24.at the end by the enthusiasm for UKIP, Nick Clegg was still out there

:33:25. > :33:28.selling the healthy delights of the European all you can eat buffet.

:33:29. > :33:31.These elections present his party with something novel the their

:33:32. > :33:35.opponents used to be able to say what is the point of voting Lib Dem,

:33:36. > :33:41.they will never form a Government. But now they are the Government, or

:33:42. > :33:45.a bit of it at least, problem, we report now from Kingston where they

:33:46. > :33:52.have been a big force for years, but are now looking at quite another

:33:53. > :33:58.prospect. Doesn't look like a hot bed of

:33:59. > :34:03.activism. But when it came to turfing people out of their homes,

:34:04. > :34:09.house boats, Kingston river so Ied was the scene of high political

:34:10. > :34:14.drama and the local liberals' big chance. The pride in the Riverside

:34:15. > :34:19.heritage has come in for harsh criticism recent low. Last night 40

:34:20. > :34:26.families who lived right on the river, descended on the build hall

:34:27. > :34:30.in furious of the council's destruction of a long standing river

:34:31. > :34:33.tradition. Protesting with the safely middle-class boat people

:34:34. > :34:37.helped them bed into the council where they eventually took control

:34:38. > :34:41.from the Tories. Now the Liberal Democrats have won this town for 12

:34:42. > :34:47.years, this time tomorrow it could be all over. Roger rose to be leader

:34:48. > :34:53.of the only, having fought for the rights of those who prefer life on

:34:54. > :34:58.the Thames gentle way. Tories hate it, they can't understand why anyone

:34:59. > :35:03.would want to lead such an alternative life, they prefer to

:35:04. > :35:08.them as river gypsies and they were people like you and I? Now you are

:35:09. > :35:14.in Government you can't be the house boat campaigners, but y can't be the

:35:15. > :35:19.recipients of the protest vote? It has made it harder, there is no

:35:20. > :35:26.denying that, some people feel let down, I suppose, by some of the

:35:27. > :35:31.things which our parliamentary colleagues have had to do. In a

:35:32. > :35:34.sense that is coalition politics. There is no coalition in Kingston.

:35:35. > :35:41.You wait so long to be in power, and when we are it doesn't go the way we

:35:42. > :35:46.would hope. A polite understatement. Escaping third party obscurity has

:35:47. > :35:50.meant major unpopularity. In tomorrow's vote the Lib Dems might

:35:51. > :35:54.lose half their councillor, officials are briefing they could

:35:55. > :35:59.say goodbye to all of their MEPs. Lovely as it is to mess around on

:36:00. > :36:04.the river, campaigning in the local and European elections is more than

:36:05. > :36:11.just a past time, more than their rivals, the Lib Dem base is built on

:36:12. > :36:15.councillors, envelope stuffers and door knockers, they are all vital to

:36:16. > :36:20.the pet. Members of the European Parliament are a crucial part offier

:36:21. > :36:26.infrastructure, even if a training ground for future leaders. After six

:36:27. > :36:33.months of the worst-ever polls since they joined the coalition, can the

:36:34. > :36:37.Lib Dems face challenge from either two. It took years of local graft to

:36:38. > :37:10.build their place. So the Lib Dem's best chance at a

:37:11. > :37:15.decent scorecard is holding places where they are already dug in.

:37:16. > :37:20.Broadly keeping Tories out in southern spots like Kingston and

:37:21. > :37:26.Labour at bay elsewhere. Do these Thames side voters want more of the

:37:27. > :37:29.same? There are sometimes when you think oh my God what are they doing,

:37:30. > :37:34.on the whole they are not do too bad. We haven't got a post box on

:37:35. > :37:40.the estate, the bus doesn't run on Sunday, anyone with their 80s has to

:37:41. > :37:44.walk to the main road to get a bus. I'm lucky I live there. We have

:37:45. > :37:51.bikes riding on the pavement all the time. I don't think they have done

:37:52. > :37:59.wadly but Mr Cameron early in charge. I'm not so sure about that.

:38:00. > :38:03.A dreadful set of results won't be a surprise to any Lib Dem. Says this

:38:04. > :38:09.former adviser to Nick Clegg. But might bring forward the moment when

:38:10. > :38:13.bigger realities have to be face. Local Lib Dems have been in power

:38:14. > :38:17.locally over the years. They are paying the penalty for party at

:38:18. > :38:20.national level finally getting into power for the first time. The party

:38:21. > :38:25.is kinding it difficult to deal with understandably, but it is a

:38:26. > :38:29.challenge they have to face. If in the long-term the next five or

:38:30. > :38:33.sentence years that will clearly have an impact on the ability to

:38:34. > :38:37.calm pan. Whether fending off the Conservatives here or fighting

:38:38. > :38:44.Labour in the northern towns, or the SNP, UKIP or greens in other parts

:38:45. > :38:47.of the country. Being a national Government has Scotched the question

:38:48. > :38:51.Lib Dems used to get on the doorstep. What is the point of

:38:52. > :38:57.voting for you, you will never be in charge. But if decisions taken in

:38:58. > :39:04.coalition erode local support dramatically, in the long-term how

:39:05. > :39:08.will the party really sustain. The next few days will be painful,

:39:09. > :39:13.although they don't directly dictate next May. But the demand they will

:39:14. > :39:25.urge is what happens if the Lib Dems keep on losing, how does the party

:39:26. > :39:30.now in power stop its relevance floating away. The deputy leader of

:39:31. > :39:38.the Liberal Democrats is in Aberdeen. What's your explanation

:39:39. > :39:42.for why you are doing so badly? I'm not prepared to say that until the

:39:43. > :39:49.polls are closed and votes counted. That may be your line, but Nick

:39:50. > :39:54.Clegg's word published in the Guardian tomorrow, in the event of

:39:55. > :39:58.you getting no seats or up to two seats you should say you are

:39:59. > :40:03.disappointed but the party remains resolute this was expected at this

:40:04. > :40:08.point in electoral cycles? To be clear what we are saying is some of

:40:09. > :40:12.the polls if they were right would lead to a setback. I don't think we

:40:13. > :40:17.should judge them before they are closed, that is the point. As far as

:40:18. > :40:21.the overall position is concerned. We have fought the European

:40:22. > :40:26.elections on a straight and honest and pro-European ticket. We have to

:40:27. > :40:32.be it clearly a taken on UKIP, and we are in favour of European reform

:40:33. > :40:37.or to contemplate Britain leaving. We have nothing to be ashamed of and

:40:38. > :40:40.people do not say they don't know what the Liberal Democrats stand

:40:41. > :40:46.for. Perhaps they know too much and that is why you are predicting you

:40:47. > :40:51.will get a hammering? I'm not prepared to accept that. Your party

:40:52. > :40:57.is? Why is it issuing guidance to people as to bah they should say

:40:58. > :41:00.when -- to what they should say when confronted with terrible guidance? I

:41:01. > :41:06.will make a judgment of the results when I see them. If we have setbacks

:41:07. > :41:09.we have to evaluate how we mean and take it back. We have gone into

:41:10. > :41:13.coalition something that is a political party. I have been a

:41:14. > :41:20.member of this party for half a century. I didn't join it as a quick

:41:21. > :41:23.fix in Government. I believe we have accepted our responsibility and

:41:24. > :41:27.delivered radical changes on the tax cuts. Something that David Cameron

:41:28. > :41:33.said couldn't be done. We have probably delivered the most radical

:41:34. > :41:35.reform of pensions since Lloyd job. We have delivered apresent at

:41:36. > :41:40.thisesships for young people that wouldn't have happened without the

:41:41. > :41:53.Liberal Democrats. We have waived the way of coalition. Even at the

:41:54. > :41:57.price of the -- emplosion of the party? We are in Government and

:41:58. > :42:00.shouldn't walk away, but neither apologise for the things we have

:42:01. > :42:03.achieved. We have a situation, not from your point of view I understand

:42:04. > :42:09.it, but I find it extraordinary that a party that has helped bring down

:42:10. > :42:17.the deficit, interest rates low, seeing sustainable growth across all

:42:18. > :42:25.sectors, that has contributed t tax threshold to ?10. , 500. It is

:42:26. > :42:28.reasonable to say to people this is what we have done and more like

:42:29. > :42:35.that, but we didn't do it unless you vote for us. We have to fight for

:42:36. > :42:41.those votes. Thank you very much. The world of sport has spent the day

:42:42. > :42:49.trying to recover from the news that Tour de Romandie maying Yaya Toure

:42:50. > :42:53.might be considering leaving his club. He doesn't feel loved. There

:42:54. > :42:57.was confusion about whether the club it given him a birthday cake with

:42:58. > :43:03.enough icing on it. When you are screwing them for a rumoured

:43:04. > :43:13.?200,000 a week these things matter. We gave Stephen Smith a packet of

:43:14. > :43:26.Hob-Nobes for his birthday, which helped him consider shows of

:43:27. > :43:34.affection in the media. Not since Mary Antoinette decided to eat only

:43:35. > :43:38.cake has a scandal caused such a furore.

:43:39. > :43:47.# Happy birthday to you. Is he trying to have his cake and you

:43:48. > :43:55.know... . Cakegate is the truth. Have we seen the cake? Has the

:43:56. > :44:00.footage been doctored. Are you City engaging in a British Bake Off

:44:01. > :44:05.subterfuge. I won't believe a cake was involved until they send me a

:44:06. > :44:11.piece. It is an extraordinary saga. A grown man, he's 31, he should have

:44:12. > :44:17.reached the able where he doesn't want to be reminded of his birthday.

:44:18. > :44:28.There is a suggestion linked to Yaya Toure's agent where he felt that

:44:29. > :44:37.cake wasn't close to the one the middle eastern owners had. It is

:44:38. > :44:41.very childish f it was his mum and dad that forgot it that would be

:44:42. > :44:45.something. He has made this perhaps to get the recognition he wants and

:44:46. > :44:52.deserves really. He has been a fantastic and crucial player for us

:44:53. > :44:58.this year. Of course it is difficult for hard-working people like you and

:44:59. > :45:05.me to understand how highly strung they can attach such importance for

:45:06. > :45:16.a few FRIP rows. -- friperies. When it comes to perks and sweet meat,

:45:17. > :45:24.football is the new rock 'n' roll. Classic right to demand, Van Halen

:45:25. > :45:29.wanted the promoter to provide bowls of M with the brown ones taken

:45:30. > :45:35.out. There is method behind that apparent madness, if a promoter is

:45:36. > :45:41.bothered enough to extract the brown M, he will be bothered to supply

:45:42. > :45:44.the power supply and the clean towns that you have asked for and the

:45:45. > :45:50.aspect that you asked for and the security. As long as there are

:45:51. > :45:54.winners like Yaya Toure, clubs will indulge their players and agents,

:45:55. > :46:01.particularly as the summer transfer window opens. The Premier League is

:46:02. > :46:07.England as Hollywood, the power structures within it are very

:46:08. > :46:12.similar to Hollywood. The whole pressure comes from the talent. So

:46:13. > :46:16.the money comes into the game in huge amounts and is required to draw

:46:17. > :46:23.talent. Talent recognises that and therefore plays all sorts of games

:46:24. > :46:28.to ensure it gets more of that. Fans might wonder at the hissy fits,

:46:29. > :46:34.but if Yaya Toure stays with the champions this summer, what are the

:46:35. > :46:38.odds that season tickets will sell like... . Very popular things.

:46:39. > :46:43.That is the end of the round up about worries and dysfunction, we

:46:44. > :46:47.should maybe count our blessings, we don't live in Iran where it has

:46:48. > :46:56.apparently become a crime to be happy or dance to Farrell Williams'

:46:57. > :47:01.cheerful song of that name. Young people dancing on a video from were

:47:02. > :47:06.arrested and paraded on state TV before eventually being released. It

:47:07. > :47:13.just looks like they are having fun to most of us.

:47:14. > :47:17.# Because I'm happy # Clap along if you feel like

:47:18. > :47:24.happiness is a truth # Because I'm happy

:47:25. > :47:30.# Clap along if you know what happiness is for you.

:47:31. > :47:34.# Lap along if you feel that's what you want to do

:47:35. > :47:41.# Clap along if you know # What happiness is to you

:47:42. > :47:57.# Clap along if you feel like that's what you want to do.

:47:58. > :48:04.# Clap along if you feel like that's what you want to do. Good evening,

:48:05. > :48:08.could be a bit noisy tonight across England and Wales, heavy thundery

:48:09. > :48:10.rain working northwards. Heavy rain still there across northern England

:48:11. > :48:11.to