:00:10. > :00:16.There is no arguing with Nigel Farage's much trumpeted claim today
:00:17. > :00:19.that his party has pulled off something unprecedented. He is
:00:20. > :00:27.right, they have, but what does it all mean? The established parties
:00:28. > :00:38.dismissed the UK Independence Party as a one-man band, but now the
:00:39. > :00:41.bandwagon is really rolling. Will an upsurge of protest transform
:00:42. > :00:47.politics in this country, or is it just a flash in the pan? Bank
:00:48. > :00:51.holiday Monday entertainment from the latest incarnation of the
:00:52. > :00:56.political panel, because there is no over estimating the distress UKIP
:00:57. > :01:02.have caused the established parties. I think there are racist amongst
:01:03. > :01:07.them. The BNP has disappeared, so where has it gone? I have heard
:01:08. > :01:14.enough speeches from UKIP members to make me wince with embarrassment.
:01:15. > :01:16.And they are not alone, anti-integration and
:01:17. > :01:19.anti-immigration parties are on the march across Europe. Will the
:01:20. > :01:28.political establishment listen to them? David Cameron looks like a
:01:29. > :01:32.stunned mullet, Ed Miliband is ashen and Nick Clegg, who now has fewer
:01:33. > :01:35.MEPs than the Green Party, seemed suddenly to have discovered he has
:01:36. > :01:40.been wearing no trousers for the last six months. Most of us didn't
:01:41. > :01:42.bother to vote in yesterday's elections to the European
:01:43. > :01:47.Parliament, an institution we don't much like and don't much understand.
:01:48. > :01:51.But of those who did vote, the largest number expressed detestation
:01:52. > :01:55.of the whole European project. They weren't alone. All over the EU
:01:56. > :01:59.extreme right and hard left parties advanced at the expense of the
:02:00. > :02:11.centre. The peasants are revolting. First tonight, Laura Keunssberg's
:02:12. > :02:14.assessment. Can UKIP translate European success to Westminster?
:02:15. > :02:19.This report contains flash photography.
:02:20. > :02:25.On your marks, get set, only 347 days to go. The leader of the
:02:26. > :02:32.smallest party now fancies his chances in the big race next year
:02:33. > :02:38.and these people from Canvey in Essex are some of the voters who put
:02:39. > :02:43.UKIP in pole position. Until the main parties start listening, the
:02:44. > :02:48.indigenous population will go to UKIP. He says what we are all
:02:49. > :02:52.thinking and he has got a platform where we have not. You are
:02:53. > :02:58.frightened to say anything because they will say you are racist,
:02:59. > :03:00.frightened to say anything because are not racists. Nigel Farage
:03:01. > :03:06.grinning because his dream of topping in national vote came true.
:03:07. > :03:09.It is an earthquake, it is a remarkable result and it does have
:03:10. > :03:16.profound consequences for the other parties. Our game is to get this
:03:17. > :03:20.right, to find the right candidates, to target our resources on getting a
:03:21. > :03:34.good number of seats in Westminster next year. So, could he do it? Nick
:03:35. > :03:39.Clegg was cut back to just one MEP, two fewer than the Greens. The
:03:40. > :03:45.Tories were left with 19 seats, losing seven. Ed Miliband was beaten
:03:46. > :03:52.into second place. And Nigel Farage was out in front with 24, with 11
:03:53. > :03:59.extra on his side. In this area this week's results would send a UKIP MP
:04:00. > :04:04.to Westminster. But is this a quick howl of protest or something more?
:04:05. > :04:10.Would you ever vote UKIP in a general election? No, I would not.
:04:11. > :04:16.Although some of their policies have touched a nerve, I think they go to
:04:17. > :04:20.the extreme. It depends. If they stick to their word once they are
:04:21. > :04:27.in, then yes the trust will build up. But at the moment they are not
:04:28. > :04:33.setting me on fire. No one has achieved what Nigel Farage has
:04:34. > :04:39.achieved in 100 years. But turning that into Westminster seats will be
:04:40. > :04:44.much harder. But he can plot how to gain MPs. Whereas Nick Clegg, after
:04:45. > :04:49.a dreadful performance, is struggling to control his. They knew
:04:50. > :04:55.it would be bad, but not this bad. The Lib Dems are left with one MEP,
:04:56. > :04:59.what a senior figure described as a shocking night. Now a couple of
:05:00. > :05:04.backbenchers are calling for change at the top. A section of the
:05:05. > :05:20.electorate are not listening to Nick Clegg. It is unfortunate, sad and
:05:21. > :05:22.not deserved, deal with the world as we have got it. We said in 2010 we
:05:23. > :05:24.would do something exceptional, enter into a coalition, for
:05:25. > :05:27.exceptional reasons. To deliver the economic recovery, and just at the
:05:28. > :05:32.point when our big decisions are being vindicated, we are not going
:05:33. > :05:37.to buckle and lose our nerve and walk away. And labour was slapped
:05:38. > :05:44.into second place, losing the fight with Nigel Farage. This was not
:05:45. > :05:51.enough to see them into Number Ten next year, but they sneaked ahead of
:05:52. > :05:57.the Tories. The Lib Dems were trailing by 7%. People will say, we
:05:58. > :06:05.are discontented with the way the country works. UKIP is determined to
:06:06. > :06:10.become a permanent party, but Labour and the Tories' combined share of
:06:11. > :06:15.the vote went up, although David Cameron faces pressure from the
:06:16. > :06:20.right. I see that as a demand for us to deliver and we have to
:06:21. > :06:24.demonstrate tackling education, reforming welfare and getting
:06:25. > :06:36.Britain's plays right in Europe are part of our long-term, economic
:06:37. > :06:42.plan. But the Canvey Island MP is now a moderate. David Cameron is not
:06:43. > :06:47.going to get away with that nonsense any more and the reason for that is
:06:48. > :06:55.that Nigel is holding him to account and the people of this country are
:06:56. > :07:00.backing Nigel. Not anything like everyone, not anything like yet, but
:07:01. > :07:04.Mr Farage has made the others fighting for a place worry about
:07:05. > :07:08.whether they are fit for the race. Well, to discuss whether this is the
:07:09. > :07:11.start of four-party politics I am joined by a four-party panel. Tim
:07:12. > :07:14.Montgomery, columnist for The Times. Miranda Green, the former press
:07:15. > :07:17.secretary to Paddy Ashdown. The UKIP deputy chairman Neil Hamilton. And
:07:18. > :07:24.Phil Collins, the journalist and former speech writer for Tony Blair.
:07:25. > :07:29.Neil Hamilton, you are deputy chair, do you really believe you can
:07:30. > :07:35.translate this into power at Westminster? Yes, we can. We made
:07:36. > :07:41.solid progress today and considering where we were two years ago nobody
:07:42. > :07:45.would ever say it would end up like this. We will have a very focused
:07:46. > :07:49.campaign for the general election next year. We have learned a lot
:07:50. > :07:54.from the elections in the last year. We will boil down the results of
:07:55. > :08:02.yesterday, and we know instinctively where our targets are. What do you
:08:03. > :08:09.think? I think it is a fantasy. Good. We have gone through the
:08:10. > :08:17.wardrobe in some kind of political Narnia. In 2009, UKIP polled 7% and
:08:18. > :08:23.fell back by 3%. This is bigger, for sure, but they will fall back again.
:08:24. > :08:29.The idea that you are going to sweep through Westminster I regard as
:08:30. > :08:33.fantastic. Tim Montgomery, there is a challenge for the Conservatives
:08:34. > :08:40.and it is articulating the question whether some sort of packed could be
:08:41. > :08:45.made. I do not think a pact would be sensible. People have been trying to
:08:46. > :08:53.paint UKIP as a racist and corrupt party, but they have failed to stop
:08:54. > :08:57.UKIP's surge. I think if the Conservative party tried to form any
:08:58. > :09:02.alliance with UKIP, it would hurt the Conservatives more than
:09:03. > :09:08.benefit. It does not rule out local accommodations were UKIP candidates
:09:09. > :09:13.might stand aside for Eurosceptics, but overall it would be a dangerous
:09:14. > :09:21.thing. Why are you shaking your head? Why would we want to shackle
:09:22. > :09:30.ourselves to a corpse. Your party leader did open the door to it this
:09:31. > :09:37.morning on the today programme. I was not up in time to hear my local
:09:38. > :09:42.MP. But there is no prospect whatever of any pact between UKIP
:09:43. > :09:47.and the Conservative party. When Jacob Rees Mogg floated this idea
:09:48. > :09:55.last autumn, I asked the chairman of the branch in his constituency to do
:09:56. > :10:01.a poll on UKIP members and 70% of them were against doing a pact. Only
:10:02. > :10:08.about 30% of UKIP supporters in the opinion polling we did last year of
:10:09. > :10:13.those who voted UKIP had previously voted Conservative. 70% either had
:10:14. > :10:20.not voted at all or had voted for other parties. We got 47% of the
:10:21. > :10:26.vote in Rotherham, one of Labour's safest seats, 32% in Hartlepool. We
:10:27. > :10:30.are taking votes from Labour in massive numbers. Every poll says
:10:31. > :10:41.your support comes more from conservatives than from Labour. The
:10:42. > :10:45.main effect of a good UKIP performance in a general election
:10:46. > :10:54.would be to deny the Conservatives power, which is maybe what you want.
:10:55. > :11:00.It might be your final reflections. You are in denial. A strong UKIP
:11:01. > :11:07.vote. The British people having a referendum on Europe that you say
:11:08. > :11:14.you want. I am interested in results where the Tory leader is
:11:15. > :11:18.campaigning... We have been trying to avoid intruding into private
:11:19. > :11:26.grief as you are a Liberal Democrat. You were enjoying it. It is all over
:11:27. > :11:31.for Nick Clegg, isn't it? I do not think it is at all and it should not
:11:32. > :11:35.be. The European elections are one thing, but people vote completely
:11:36. > :11:40.differently in a general election. Certainly it has been a horrible
:11:41. > :11:46.shock for the Liberal Democrat Party and it is a really bad set of
:11:47. > :11:49.results and also, unfortunately, it is cumulative pain because every
:11:50. > :11:54.year since entering the coalition and the Lib Dems have taken a
:11:55. > :12:00.beating. You completely miscalculated this. The results were
:12:01. > :12:05.what was expected. What did the Lib miscalculated this. The results were
:12:06. > :12:13.Dems do for you? They enabled us to have a debate on Europe. It was a
:12:14. > :12:19.miscalculation. It was not. Sometimes you actually have to do
:12:20. > :12:23.what you believe in. We are watching across Europe and extraordinary
:12:24. > :12:30.thing this weekend, which is the anti-European parties sweeping the
:12:31. > :12:39.board. The idea that a smaller British party... It did not happen
:12:40. > :12:44.in Germany. The idea that a smaller British party could have avoided the
:12:45. > :12:50.tide... Nick Clegg is not part of your problem. There is a sense it
:12:51. > :12:56.was not a town all night for an Nick Clegg. But neither of the other two
:12:57. > :13:01.main parties have a platform for victory. Nobody here has got a
:13:02. > :13:06.platform for victory. If there is one party that you would bet on
:13:07. > :13:11.being part of the game after the next general election result it is
:13:12. > :13:15.probably the Liberal Democrats. And the way the Liberal Democrats
:13:16. > :13:19.traditionally fight elections in a very targeted way where they are
:13:20. > :13:24.very popular locally gives them still a very good chance of keeping
:13:25. > :13:31.around 40 seats, which would be a very respectable result. The reason
:13:32. > :13:37.you guys did so well appears to be because of immigration, a focus that
:13:38. > :13:45.you had on people's concerned about it. How will that play out until the
:13:46. > :13:49.general election? You will find a bidding war as politicians try and
:13:50. > :13:54.stay still some sort of message. It is very difficult when you have this
:13:55. > :14:00.thing, the voters have said something, but what have they said?
:14:01. > :14:05.You will get policy suggestions. Reducing the time people can have
:14:06. > :14:09.benefits, for example, but nobody knows the answer. It is not just
:14:10. > :14:15.simply about immigration, there is more to it. David Cameron said he
:14:16. > :14:26.had to practice to get immigration down. He said that in 2010. He has
:14:27. > :14:30.to do more on immigration. What the Conservative party has to do is it
:14:31. > :14:35.has to be the party of Government. What this election shows is people
:14:36. > :14:40.do not seek Ed Miliband as a Prime Minister in waiting. They do not see
:14:41. > :14:46.Nigel Farage as a Prime Minister in waiting. This is a protest vote. At
:14:47. > :14:50.the general election people will choose a Government and that is
:14:51. > :14:54.David Cameron's strongest card. He looks like a Prime Minister and he
:14:55. > :14:59.should not pursue populism. He should be the father of the nation,
:15:00. > :15:04.the guy who takes the tough decisions. It may not go down enough
:15:05. > :15:11.to help the Conservatives win, but that is his best strategy. The
:15:12. > :15:17.Liberal Democrats have to carry on with the coalition and carry on
:15:18. > :15:20.confident that a general election will deliver a completely different
:15:21. > :15:24.set of results in these elections. The problem I think is whether there
:15:25. > :15:30.is so much panic on the backbenches, on the Liberal Democrat
:15:31. > :15:39.and the Tory side, that it starts to destabilise the coalition. I think
:15:40. > :15:42.they will not panic. Nick Clegg has had the courage of his convictions
:15:43. > :15:47.and David Cameron has no convictions. He is scrabbling around
:15:48. > :15:54.for strategies to disguise the impetus of the UK government being
:15:55. > :15:58.in the EU, they cannot control our borders within the EU. 485 million
:15:59. > :16:02.people in Europe have the right to come here, there is no way of
:16:03. > :16:07.stopping them. The government has put forward a number of sticking
:16:08. > :16:12.plaster solutions to be struck down by the European Court, and we will
:16:13. > :16:15.show that the British government, the political class of this country
:16:16. > :16:19.has no answers to the problems affecting people in their daily
:16:20. > :16:24.lives will stop they are not interested in party games, they are
:16:25. > :16:31.interested in cost of living, which is being increased. I have to cut
:16:32. > :16:36.across you because we have no more time. Thank you very much.
:16:37. > :16:40.The electorate's enthusiasm for UKIP was at least partly based upon its
:16:41. > :16:43.claim not to be a normal political party. For the complaint now is that
:16:44. > :16:46.mainstream politics is the province of pygmies. No-one ever accused
:16:47. > :16:49.Michael Heseltine of that. And the UKIP vote represents a wholesale
:16:50. > :16:54.rejection of his ideas about both this country and Europe. Tarzan has
:16:55. > :17:00.retreated to his lair in the country much of the time. And it was there
:17:01. > :17:05.that I found him earlier. I asked him whether the mainstream parties
:17:06. > :17:09.should listen to UKIP voters. You should always listen but you
:17:10. > :17:16.should interpret what they have said. What I see very clearly is
:17:17. > :17:22.that people have had a terrible time. The consequences have been
:17:23. > :17:29.very painful and for many people still are, people find a focal point
:17:30. > :17:35.of their discontent. You think they are a flash in the pan?
:17:36. > :17:39.Not as Matt agree as you put it because you're sceptical -- because
:17:40. > :17:46.your scepticism has been there from the beginning. If you say to me, are
:17:47. > :17:52.they going to be a major force in the next general election? The
:17:53. > :17:58.answer is, no. They have clearly repudiated a particular and users of
:17:59. > :18:04.yours. You have to interpret, what they reviewed it in? The European
:18:05. > :18:09.Union. -- what are they repudiating. I do not believe that. It is the
:18:10. > :18:13.place to go to protest about certain things that have been happening
:18:14. > :18:17.which they associate with Europe. But the real problem is the
:18:18. > :18:23.recession. Whenever you get a recession of the sort, mid-term
:18:24. > :18:28.results find a protest point, it used to be the Liberal Democrats.
:18:29. > :18:35.UKIP did not make any running about the recession. They talked about the
:18:36. > :18:40.question of immigration. But the concern about immigration, which
:18:41. > :18:44.again is a complex issue, it has been there for a long time, is a
:18:45. > :18:51.problem of recession. Because the argument was that these foreigners
:18:52. > :18:56.are taking our jobs. Has immigration been good for this country? Hugely
:18:57. > :19:02.good, throughout the centuries. We have been the Gateway for wave after
:19:03. > :19:06.wave of huge talent. One of the big problems we face today is a skills
:19:07. > :19:14.shortage. Where are you going to get it? It is naive to say they will all
:19:15. > :19:19.come back to work. The unemployed do not have the skills of a modern
:19:20. > :19:25.economy. Surely the Conservatives would have done better if they have
:19:26. > :19:30.brought down immigration to 100,000 people a year. If it could be done,
:19:31. > :19:35.which they are trying hard to do, and I have no complaints. If I was
:19:36. > :19:42.in the government, I would try to help. How do they go forward? Keep
:19:43. > :19:48.your nerve, that is the first thing. George Osborne has played a blinder
:19:49. > :19:55.in coinciding economic recovery with political context. We are now seeing
:19:56. > :20:01.the economy recovery Dashwood cover, but as yet not rising living
:20:02. > :20:07.standards -- the economy recover. You will find rising wages and
:20:08. > :20:12.rising living standards to coincide with the election. Should David
:20:13. > :20:17.Cameron bring forward the deadline by which there is a referendum on
:20:18. > :20:22.future membership of the EU? Certainly not. Getting an agreement
:20:23. > :20:26.would be hard but to think you can stampede 27 other countries into
:20:27. > :20:29.agreeing what you want in a matter of months and get the legislation
:20:30. > :20:35.through is simply wrong and irresponsible. He would be crazy. He
:20:36. > :20:41.would be crazy to try to rush it because that will just create
:20:42. > :20:45.alienation on the continent. Secondly, to bow to
:20:46. > :20:49.alienation on the continent. demanding, which is, tell us exactly
:20:50. > :20:50.what you are going to demand. So your view is, hold your nerve, don't
:20:51. > :20:56.worry about this, it your view is, hold your nerve, don't
:20:57. > :21:02.expression of anxiety and discomfort that people feel as a consequence of
:21:03. > :21:09.economic circumstances. This is about recession. You don't think
:21:10. > :21:13.UKIP voters are racist? I think there are racists amongst them, the
:21:14. > :21:18.National Front has disappeared, so where has it gone? I have heard
:21:19. > :21:24.enough speeches by UKIP members to make me wince with embarrassment.
:21:25. > :21:31.But they will try to keep themselves away from the association. Should
:21:32. > :21:35.there be a pact between the Conservatives and the Liberal
:21:36. > :21:41.Democrats? Split the Tory party? That would be mad. It would be
:21:42. > :21:44.constituency by constituency. The principle that the Tory party is
:21:45. > :21:49.associated with the undercover approach and attitudes of much of
:21:50. > :21:53.the UKIP party would be quite unacceptable to a huge swathe of the
:21:54. > :22:03.moderate one nation Conservative party. Would it be acceptable to
:22:04. > :22:09.you? No. You do not have a vote as a member of the House of Lords! But
:22:10. > :22:15.you could not rate -- which you could not vote Conservative if there
:22:16. > :22:19.was a pact? It would be very difficult. I am doing the political
:22:20. > :22:24.thing because I sit on my bottom and do not vote? I could not vote the
:22:25. > :22:31.other parties, so do I opt out? It would be very difficult. Much better
:22:32. > :22:34.to tell you the truth now and to do everything in my power to support
:22:35. > :22:40.the official Tory position, there will not be a pact. David Cameron
:22:41. > :22:45.made it quite clear, William Hague, George Osborne, they are absolutely
:22:46. > :22:54.right. There will not be a pact. Under any circumstances? Under any
:22:55. > :22:57.circumstances. Thank you very much. Thus far, our coverage of these
:22:58. > :22:59.elections has confirmed the prevailing prejudice about the
:23:00. > :23:02.European Parliament. We have been parochial, because, as is evident in
:23:03. > :23:05.the pathetic turnout, most people in this country think the elections are
:23:06. > :23:09.irrelevant. But right across Europe, such voters as could be bothered to
:23:10. > :23:15.vote turned out to endorse men and women who loathe much of what the EU
:23:16. > :23:18.claims to stand for. They include a Polish politician who thinks the
:23:19. > :23:22.Parliament so corrupt, it ought to be turned into a brothel. Chris Cook
:23:23. > :23:28.is in Paris, where the Far Right are on the march.
:23:29. > :23:32.The European election results suggest something has been happening
:23:33. > :23:37.beneath the surface of the continent's politics. New parties
:23:38. > :23:43.are on the rise in lots of countries and one word is being used to
:23:44. > :23:47.describe their effect. Earthquake. In France, they have had the most
:23:48. > :23:53.shocking results of all, the Front National, and extreme anti-immigrant
:23:54. > :24:02.party, got a quarter of the votes. It won big.
:24:03. > :24:08.Marine Le Pen's success mirrored strong showings by antiestablishment
:24:09. > :24:13.showings from the left and right in other countries. In Denmark and the
:24:14. > :24:18.UK, Greece and Spain. France's Front National has had good days before.
:24:19. > :24:25.Even so, this was a big shock. The Front National is very different
:24:26. > :24:31.from UKIP in Great Britain. UKIP is against Europe, against immigration,
:24:32. > :24:39.like the National Front. But it is libertarian. The Front National, it
:24:40. > :24:49.is a fascist party. In the classical sense of the term. It is a rejection
:24:50. > :24:58.of Europe. But it is above all a rejection of French elites. The
:24:59. > :25:03.Socialist Party of Francois Hollande hopes for an economic recovery to
:25:04. > :25:09.win back voters. The French people are not racist and xenophobic, I do
:25:10. > :25:14.not believe that. I believe the people are fed up and they need hope
:25:15. > :25:17.again and they will have hope if we get the figures right. Which are not
:25:18. > :25:23.just figures but people, people get the jobs. If unemployment falls,
:25:24. > :25:27.will people come back from the Front National? It is not clear. One of
:25:28. > :25:33.the distinguishing thing about voters of Audi macro is they care a
:25:34. > :25:40.lot about immigration -- Front National. They do not care much
:25:41. > :25:45.about unemployment. Maybe national elections will bring back the
:25:46. > :25:49.antiestablishment voters to the old Potters -- parties, or perhaps the
:25:50. > :25:52.answer is in Italy where a new mainstream Socialist Party Prime
:25:53. > :25:58.Minister successfully fought back against the outsiders. It is a
:25:59. > :26:07.message of change. He is very young, 39 years old. I could tell
:26:08. > :26:12.you standards, exceptionally young. -- I Italian standards. People want
:26:13. > :26:18.to give him trust. His predecessor has been in Parliament for over a
:26:19. > :26:22.year and he must be perceived as somebody who has protested a lot of
:26:23. > :26:28.and done very little. What effect will these new outsiders have? They
:26:29. > :26:31.are so varied they will struggle to unite in the European Parliament,
:26:32. > :26:37.who is going to side with Germany's National Democratic party?
:26:38. > :26:39.Considered to be neo-Nazis. And these new outsiders might drive the
:26:40. > :26:44.old parties further together. If there was not a Brussels
:26:45. > :26:47.establishment before, there might be one now.
:26:48. > :26:50.Joining me from Paris is Noelle Lenoir, France's former Europe
:26:51. > :26:54.Minister and now President of the think tank Cercle des Europeens. And
:26:55. > :27:02.down the line from Brussels is Daniel Hannan, a Conservative MEP.
:27:03. > :27:09.Daniel Hannan, what do you think is happening in Europe? For a long
:27:10. > :27:15.time, the Euro establishments described anyone who had any
:27:16. > :27:18.democratic or constitutional or economic objections to the Brussels
:27:19. > :27:23.racket as anti-European, xenophobic antinationalist. And in a horrible
:27:24. > :27:26.way, that prophecy has become self-fulfilling, they have stoked
:27:27. > :27:32.the phenomenon were complaining about. Years ago, you will remember
:27:33. > :27:39.doing this programme in the 1990s, he pleb would come on and say, these
:27:40. > :27:42.countries together, forcing them to use the same currency and have
:27:43. > :27:47.policies they can't vote for will create a backlash -- people would
:27:48. > :27:55.come on and say. Would you accept that, Noelle Lenoir? Daniel Hannan
:27:56. > :28:01.is a very brilliant MEP but he does not know French politics. In France,
:28:02. > :28:09.according to the polls, 73% are in favour of the euro. Most of them,
:28:10. > :28:14.66%, they are pro-European. According to the results of these
:28:15. > :28:18.shameful elections. The Front National is not comparator will to
:28:19. > :28:22.UKIP. In many respects. -- is not comparator will. The issues are
:28:23. > :28:27.different in different countries. In France, the Front National gathered
:28:28. > :28:35.mainly the votes of the workers and the low level because they are
:28:36. > :28:40.afraid, and the unemployed. More than one out of four young are
:28:41. > :28:48.unemployed. That is really a protest vote. Some of these votes are
:28:49. > :28:50.racist, Zenith phobic -- xenophobic and anti-Semitic, we have a
:28:51. > :28:56.tradition in this respect unfortunately. But the electorate
:28:57. > :29:03.does not change so much. And with regard to the Euro, there is a
:29:04. > :29:09.rise... The French, most of them wish the Eurozone, the group of the
:29:10. > :29:16.eight team countries -- 18 countries sharing the Euro, we need an
:29:17. > :29:26.integrated Europe. Daniel Hannan, what do you make of that quite stark
:29:27. > :29:30.difference? I completely agree. Marine Le Pen has positioned herself
:29:31. > :29:33.even to the left of Francois Hollande on a lot of economic
:29:34. > :29:38.issues, whereas her Father tended to be against welfare scroungers and so
:29:39. > :29:43.on, she has been in favour of an increase in spending, more
:29:44. > :29:47.nationalisation, more protectionism. In many ways, it is wrong to call
:29:48. > :29:52.the Front National far right, they have little in common with the
:29:53. > :30:01.mainstream right on a number of issues. They are very socialist.
:30:02. > :30:04.What I think is that France is in a state of anxiety and frustration
:30:05. > :30:08.with a political class that, whoever is in power, has delivered high
:30:09. > :30:19.structural unemployment, immobiliser, the French state... You
:30:20. > :30:26.cannot carry on like that. -- immobilisation. The money has run
:30:27. > :30:31.out. It is not just France. We have seen angry reactions in a number of
:30:32. > :30:40.the afflicted Eurozone countries. Is there any common thread? In France,
:30:41. > :30:44.he, Denmark, in Greece, a number of places where support is going to
:30:45. > :30:52.parties that are not part of the traditional European project --
:30:53. > :30:55.here. Look at the Netherlands. These parties are different but the thing
:30:56. > :30:59.they have in common is they are against the single currency, and who
:31:00. > :31:04.coming new to the argument would not eat? The only reason the old
:31:05. > :31:09.establishment parties are still in favourite is their fingerprints are
:31:10. > :31:15.on the murder weapon. -- would not be. You are shaking your head,
:31:16. > :31:20.Noelle Lenoir. The French are very much aware that if we are able to
:31:21. > :31:27.borrow on the international market at a very low rate, under 2%, it is
:31:28. > :31:32.because of the Euro. Second, I think that the results in the member
:31:33. > :31:37.states are different because we have still, in spite of the European
:31:38. > :31:43.Union, our national identity. Look at what happened in the Netherlands
:31:44. > :31:46.went them -- when the most Federalist party obtained a splendid
:31:47. > :31:52.result. And in France, you have a contradiction. We have a young Prime
:31:53. > :31:58.Minister, Manuel Valls, who wants to diminish public expenditure by 50
:31:59. > :32:06.billion euros. He has high popularity ratings as the French are
:32:07. > :32:10.very dissatisfied with the government and they wish to change
:32:11. > :32:17.because they know we are declining if we do not. There are
:32:18. > :32:21.contradictions. If you were advising the Council of ministers tomorrow,
:32:22. > :32:29.what would you say was the one lesson they should take away from
:32:30. > :32:34.these results? Return more power to national Democratic institutions.
:32:35. > :32:38.This centralisation of power has resulted not only in aid Democratic
:32:39. > :32:43.backlash but in a xenophobic backlash. People are not just
:32:44. > :32:53.blaming Brussels but other countries. Noelle Lenoir? Have
:32:54. > :33:01.conviction or go out. Be strong, have a clear message and held an
:33:02. > :33:03.integrated Eurozone. Thank you. That's it. The sweetie jar is empty.
:33:04. > :33:06.Back tomorrow. Goodnight.