:00:25. > :00:33.rerun in the light of allegations of corruption. This was the moment when
:00:34. > :00:39.the king of Spain proved the value of a monarchy, as he decides to call
:00:40. > :00:48.it a day, how much of Spain's transition to democracy can he take
:00:49. > :00:52.credit for. It has been gone so long it is difficult to go-to-come back.
:00:53. > :00:58.It is like a diver going deep on the dive and has to stage back up
:00:59. > :01:01.through ompression. The parents of the freed American soldier, Bowe
:01:02. > :01:07.Bergdahl, has yet to talk to their son. How does a person return to the
:01:08. > :01:15.world after five years incarceration at gun point. A
:01:16. > :01:16.world after five years incarceration five years by FARC guerrillas is
:01:17. > :01:23.here. Kirsty Allsop is here five years by FARC guerrillas is
:01:24. > :01:32.defend the idea that better to get their breeding done
:01:33. > :01:34.early. Well the
:01:35. > :01:36.early. will be held in Qatar, at least that
:01:37. > :01:40.is how it is tonight, but will be held in Qatar, at least that
:01:41. > :01:44.of yesterday's revelations by the Sunday Times that the extraordinary
:01:45. > :01:48.decision to hold the contest in place where summer temperatures are
:01:49. > :01:52.high enough to fry an egg on a crossbar, that decision may have had
:01:53. > :01:56.something to do with money being splashed about, have cast the whole
:01:57. > :02:00.thing into doubt. Any decision about whether to have a re-think will have
:02:01. > :02:06.to wait for a proper inquiry. But there is a very bad
:02:07. > :02:10.to wait for a proper inquiry. But The golden prize, not winning the
:02:11. > :02:18.tournament, but the chance to host it.
:02:19. > :02:22.Can I ask you one quick question? : The tiny Arab country Qatar does not
:02:23. > :02:28.want to discuss it. We haven't an official response, that's why?
:02:29. > :02:32.Minister? A torrent of claims alleges they paid millions to
:02:33. > :02:34.football officials to buy the bid. Now an investigation is
:02:35. > :02:38.football officials to buy the bid. that could, the Prime Minister
:02:39. > :02:42.hinted, result in the vote being rerun. That could lead to England
:02:43. > :02:47.having another chance to host the tournament, because its failed bid
:02:48. > :02:52.for 2018 was part of the same messy process. I will never forget the
:02:53. > :02:56.meetings we wept to the lobbying we did, it was like no other election I
:02:57. > :03:00.have been involved in, because every single person we met, whether the
:03:01. > :03:03.head of the FA, in this part of the world or that part of the world,
:03:04. > :03:07.they all said, yes of course we're going to vote for England to host
:03:08. > :03:11.the World Cup. And then they voted completely the other way and we
:03:12. > :03:14.ended up with one vote, but any way we will see what happens with this
:03:15. > :03:18.inquiry into the World Cup. Who knows what the chances may be for
:03:19. > :03:24.the future. The allegations claim that the former FIFA official, was
:03:25. > :03:30.lobbying on his country's behalf more than a year before the decision
:03:31. > :03:35.was made. And that he made payments into bank accounts controlled by the
:03:36. > :03:39.Presidents of 30 African Football Associations and a former Vice
:03:40. > :03:43.President of FIFA. The claims have been denied, and FIFA's own
:03:44. > :03:47.investigator, American lawyer, Michael Garcia, has promised his
:03:48. > :03:50.report into the affair will be complete next week. I don't think
:03:51. > :03:54.there is any choice for FIFA other than if it is going to restore its
:03:55. > :03:57.credibility it has to do so by reholding that bidding process, but
:03:58. > :04:02.also there has to be questions about the governance of the game by FIFA
:04:03. > :04:07.and whether Mr Blatter is a fit and proper person to continue to oversee
:04:08. > :04:10.that process. It has to be completely independent of those
:04:11. > :04:18.people who have been involved before. A senior source at FIFA told
:04:19. > :04:23.me the allegations are horrific, but that Bin Hamam was trying to run a
:04:24. > :04:27.campaign to replace Sepp Blatter at the same time. Was he trying to
:04:28. > :04:32.improve his own prospects not the Qatar bid. Another industry insider
:04:33. > :04:35.said without question if the FIFA investigation shows direct evidence
:04:36. > :04:40.of rigging the process, there will have to be another vote. FIFA's
:04:41. > :04:44.investigator isn't just looking at the behaviour of the Qataries, they
:04:45. > :04:49.have also been here, talking to those who promoted England's
:04:50. > :04:54.ultimately doomed bid for 2018. But whether or not they do provide
:04:55. > :04:59.enough direct evidence that Qatar's World Cup was bought and sold,
:05:00. > :05:04.reopening the bidding process would not be straight forward. FIFA will
:05:05. > :05:09.do everything they can to resist it, because one of the consequences of a
:05:10. > :05:13.rebuilding is that a potential breakaway from FIFA, a potential
:05:14. > :05:18.disintegration if the disaffected parties, particularly Qatar and
:05:19. > :05:22.perhaps African federations implicated might decide they don't
:05:23. > :05:27.want to participate any more. If the sense of objections swell, Qatar may
:05:28. > :05:31.never complete its swanky stadiums, if not... What would it say about
:05:32. > :05:39.the state of the game if the tournament in Qatar goes ahead?
:05:40. > :05:43.Dead. Dead? Dead as a viable and honourable and esteemable sport at
:05:44. > :05:49.international level. It has to be changed now. This mess begs a wider
:05:50. > :05:54.question too, how can the contest to host international sporting events,
:05:55. > :05:58.with billions of bounds worth of prestige ever be genuine. If some
:05:59. > :06:01.countries are prepared to flout the rules. One source familiar with the
:06:02. > :06:05.process said to me, if you are running against a country that is
:06:06. > :06:12.not democratic, there is no point. They can do whatever they want. They
:06:13. > :06:15.are, unaccountable. The England team now must concentrate on the game as
:06:16. > :06:21.they prepare for Brazil. But FIFA has much more than the next few
:06:22. > :06:26.weeks of football to concern them. We have a former member of FIFA's
:06:27. > :06:30.independent governance committee, which was set up to make the
:06:31. > :06:39.organisation more transparent, she resigned last year after FIFA failed
:06:40. > :06:45.to adopt many of her proposelias. How significant do you proposals.
:06:46. > :06:48.How significant do you -- proposals. How significant are these
:06:49. > :06:52.allegations? I think there is a lot of suspicion about the process and
:06:53. > :06:57.the Qatar decision ultimately. This level of documentation and evidence,
:06:58. > :07:00.if shown to be authentic, is stunning. We don't know and it is
:07:01. > :07:05.yesterday to be established whether there is any connection between what
:07:06. > :07:11.seems to have been done and what the Government of Qatar wanted? We have
:07:12. > :07:15.to accept that don't we? Sure, that's true and an important step in
:07:16. > :07:18.all of this, but a bribe is transactional, it is between two
:07:19. > :07:25.different parties. Regardless of who Bin Hamam was working for, if all of
:07:26. > :07:30.these allegations are turning out to be true someone was on the other
:07:31. > :07:34.side of it. Those people are senior in the FIFA establishment. You know
:07:35. > :07:38.this organisation, why is it so ghastly? It is a surprising
:07:39. > :07:43.organisation in many ways, but when you have an enormous and wealthy
:07:44. > :07:51.nonprofit like this, you don't have the shareholders to keep it honest
:07:52. > :07:58.as you would in a completion. -- corporation. You can have governance
:07:59. > :08:02.and we didn't have much Luke from that, or governance by the host,
:08:03. > :08:07.Switzerland is not showing much on there. And the sponsors have seemed
:08:08. > :08:12.pretty indifferent to the issues. So the Swiss should be keeping an eye
:08:13. > :08:16.on FIFA should they? Well they are the host country and organisations
:08:17. > :08:21.within Switzerland are governed by Swiss law. Absolutely. That would be
:08:22. > :08:26.the obvious choice. How could it be changed then? Well, again, if the
:08:27. > :08:34.Swiss Government weighs in and starts paying more attention to the
:08:35. > :08:41.Swiss law as it applies to its own nonprofit -- non--profits, or if
:08:42. > :08:45.there is a ground well that reaches out to the sponsors I think we could
:08:46. > :08:49.see change there. I don't think we should wait for FIFA to reform
:08:50. > :08:55.itself. You didn't wait, you voted with your feet, you resigned, why? I
:08:56. > :08:59.did. It was not a very fruitful undertaking I have to say. I was
:09:00. > :09:03.very enthusiastic at the outset, I thought it was a process that was
:09:04. > :09:09.both intriguing and very welcome by FIFA. Very few organisations set out
:09:10. > :09:12.to establish a group like our's and then reject their recommendations.
:09:13. > :09:16.And although some of the recommendations were ultimately
:09:17. > :09:19.accepted, many were rejected. It just wasn't a good use of time in
:09:20. > :09:24.the end. There are organisations that are inseer in their reform
:09:25. > :09:27.efforts. So let's be clear about this, FIFA set you up as an
:09:28. > :09:35.organisation to keep them honest, and when they didn't like some of
:09:36. > :09:39.the things you said, you had to quit? Well, it was a surprising
:09:40. > :09:45.conclusion to the process for me as well. We drafted a large number of
:09:46. > :09:48.recommendation, many of them very ordinary good governance
:09:49. > :09:53.recommendations and many were rejected outright. They cherrypicked
:09:54. > :10:02.through and took several, but most were rejected. As far as the Qatar,
:10:03. > :10:07.World Cup, 2022 bid is concerned now, what ought to happen? What
:10:08. > :10:11.ought to happen and what will happen are probably different things. What
:10:12. > :10:15.ought to happen is to restore international confidence in the
:10:16. > :10:19.process, I do think they need to re-run the vote. I don't think there
:10:20. > :10:23.is any avoiding that now if the ultimate goal is the confidence of
:10:24. > :10:28.the public. We have a series of scandals, and I'm just not sure how
:10:29. > :10:32.much longer the stakeholders are expected to accept scandal after
:10:33. > :10:36.scandal. It needs to come to an end. Whether that will happen is another
:10:37. > :10:41.question. Thank you very much for joining us.
:10:42. > :10:44.Laura is here, our chief correspondent. You have got some
:10:45. > :10:50.more news what can we expect to happen next? As was said this is
:10:51. > :10:52.dreadful for FIFA, but it is not the first time there have been
:10:53. > :10:57.allegations of what happened in Qatar. This incredible tumble of
:10:58. > :10:59.information out there now is capping off allegations of corruption that
:11:00. > :11:03.have already been made. And huge concerns about workers building the
:11:04. > :11:08.stadiums in Qatar and what is going on with that. But it appears it
:11:09. > :11:12.would be very risky financially and hugely inconvenient to unpick the
:11:13. > :11:16.mess. We have been talking to sources at some of the European
:11:17. > :11:19.clubs. Clubs have huge power in football, it is not just about the
:11:20. > :11:24.international organisations. It has been suggested to us something
:11:25. > :11:33.rather different that some inside FIFA may look for a way of wriggling
:11:34. > :11:37.out of the Qatar mess. There is the physical problem of holding the
:11:38. > :11:41.tournament in temperatures of over 40 degrees, for players and fans to
:11:42. > :11:46.be fainting in the heat. The clubs are adamant that the tournament
:11:47. > :11:49.cannot be moved to the winter, that not financially viable to them and
:11:50. > :11:54.it would bust up the business model of the Premiership here and cause
:11:55. > :12:00.problems in the other countries. Holding it in the summer would be a
:12:01. > :12:04.farce, because of that there is a growing sense that while these kinds
:12:05. > :12:09.of allegations in the short-term are very painful, in the long-term this
:12:10. > :12:13.could start to look like a way of FIFA actually digging themselves out
:12:14. > :12:16.of the hole that this whole bid mess created.
:12:17. > :12:22.The king of Spain has decided to hang up his crown, the man chosen as
:12:23. > :12:26.Head of State by the departing fascist ruler, General Franco, has
:12:27. > :12:30.suffered ill-health and scandal and has had enough. Voluntary abdication
:12:31. > :12:34.because you are getting on would have been unthinkable for centuries,
:12:35. > :12:39.and not least because people drop dead a lot earlier than they do
:12:40. > :12:45.nowadays. It has happened recently in Belgium, Holland and now Spain,
:12:46. > :12:51.raising among some a question of whether Elizabeth the English Queen
:12:52. > :12:57.and the gold standard in British monkeys Monarchies might resign.
:12:58. > :13:02.What has been the reaction to this news.
:13:03. > :13:07.It is a big moment, as can you imagine, this is a royal house that
:13:08. > :13:11.has experienced plenty of abdications, five previous ones, as
:13:12. > :13:16.you just said this is a time of abdications. The third in the space
:13:17. > :13:20.of 14 months in Europe. Little couldn'ter then that thousands did
:13:21. > :13:25.take to the streets this evening demanding a vote on the future of
:13:26. > :13:28.the monarchy itself, a Republican demonstration calling for the
:13:29. > :13:33.scrapping of the institution. But that said, although some polls
:13:34. > :13:39.recently had shown something like 80% of Spanish saying that King Juan
:13:40. > :13:43.Carlos should step down, the institution of monarchy remains
:13:44. > :13:48.subject to majority support here. Most people want it to continue.
:13:49. > :13:54.There could be many reasons for that, not least the fact that it is
:13:55. > :14:00.felt to have played a transformative function during his regin, which has
:14:01. > :14:07.now lasted nearly four decades. Almost everywhere history has
:14:08. > :14:13.relegated royals to the role of decorative players. As the old
:14:14. > :14:31.dictator General Franco faded away he gave the House of Burbon one last
:14:32. > :14:34.chance to captain the state. Juan Carlos became the custodian of
:14:35. > :14:38.Spain's transition back to democracy. And it was a fleeting
:14:39. > :14:42.role, because once parliamentary institutions were restored, his
:14:43. > :14:52.powers were soon clipped. But it wasn't a free ride. ??FORCEDWHI A
:14:53. > :14:59.Colonel tried to mount a coup. And against this blatant adventurism as
:15:00. > :15:05.well as a host of other challenges, the king stood fast. I wasn't afraid
:15:06. > :15:07.for Spain because I knew what the whole majority of the Armed Forces
:15:08. > :15:13.and the people in general wanted, and really needed for me to do that
:15:14. > :15:17.night. Having served his purpose Juan Carlos settled back into the
:15:18. > :15:22.more usual royal routine, attending royal weddings, visiting the sick,
:15:23. > :15:27.and presiding over state occasions. His popularity held out for many
:15:28. > :15:33.years, people even forgave the reported affairs. But it was
:15:34. > :15:37.austerity that did for him. I think he is tired, psychologically, he has
:15:38. > :15:43.been trying to improve his image, and he hasn't succeeded, he has just
:15:44. > :15:48.given up. As simple as that. There aren't many leaders for whom an
:15:49. > :15:53.elephant in the room becomes their literal nemesis. But photos of Juan
:15:54. > :15:58.Carlos hunting big game may have given the death wound to his regin.
:15:59. > :16:04.Not only had he been he will telling reporters how he felt the pain of
:16:05. > :16:09.Spain's unemployed, but he has also championed wildlife conservation. So
:16:10. > :16:15.a regin that began in 1975, which such constitutional and political
:16:16. > :16:20.importance, ends in a series of tabloid scandals. Spain faces all
:16:21. > :16:26.manner of crises now, not least getting the procedure right for his
:16:27. > :16:32.son to take over. Today Juan Carlos told his nation
:16:33. > :16:37.that he would hand power to his son, who the House trusts will find it
:16:38. > :16:42.easier to play the part of austerity Monarch. TRANSLATION: Today a new
:16:43. > :16:46.generation must lead, younger people with more energy, determined to push
:16:47. > :16:50.through with the reforms we need and face our future challenges. I have
:16:51. > :16:56.only ever wanted to contribute to the welfare of ordinary Spaniards, I
:16:57. > :17:01.want the best for this country. He's a man in his mid-40s, fresh,
:17:02. > :17:05.untainted by the scandals affecting his family. But at the same time
:17:06. > :17:09.he's someone that is not that well known, he hasn't been under the
:17:10. > :17:15.spotlight that often. Let's say he has the potential to become very
:17:16. > :17:19.popular, but in a way it is still an enigma. The worst of all for him is
:17:20. > :17:24.he will face the country at a moment of huge crisis of different sorts,
:17:25. > :17:34.economic, political, constitutional and well it is a challenge that is
:17:35. > :17:40.really difficult. While Juan Carlos was unpopular here there is no
:17:41. > :17:50.overwhelming desire of public, the House of Bush Bonn -- Burbon might
:17:51. > :17:53.just get a chance of ention and a new king.
:17:54. > :18:01.Paul Preston is with us, you wrote a book back Juan Carlos didn't you? I
:18:02. > :18:07.did. The text on the subject? So he says! How important a figure do you
:18:08. > :18:14.think history will judge him to be? Fantastic. I mean there really
:18:15. > :18:19.aren't words to describe in retrospect how he will be seen. I
:18:20. > :18:23.don't want to say he made democracy. The pressure came from the Spanish
:18:24. > :18:28.people. But what he did in terms of neutralising the army in the course
:18:29. > :18:33.of 1976 to make it possible for there to be the transactions and the
:18:34. > :18:37.negotiations that brought about what is actually quite a limited
:18:38. > :18:41.transition in the first instance. That was immensely courageous, and
:18:42. > :18:47.then after the first elections in 1977, over the next four years he
:18:48. > :18:52.acted as fireman of democracy. And until, which we have just seen, the
:18:53. > :18:58.defeat of the coup in 1981, he was absolutely the key plan. I think it
:18:59. > :19:02.is fair to say without him there would have very likely been
:19:03. > :19:08.bloodshed. Despite the errors, and the ending of a glorious regin, I
:19:09. > :19:12.think history will treat him very benevolently. You look at the
:19:13. > :19:16.pictures of protest against him in Spain, and clearly a lot of people
:19:17. > :19:20.have forgotten that? There is a couple of issues here, first of all
:19:21. > :19:25.there is a generational thing. A lot of people who were born,
:19:26. > :19:29.35-year-olds were born when he was already king, and if you look at the
:19:30. > :19:34.polls, the support amongst people who are 35 and below for the
:19:35. > :19:39.monarchy is around about the 40% more, as against the 65% mark more
:19:40. > :19:45.generally. We need to remember that five years ago it was in the 80s. So
:19:46. > :19:50.there has been a fall. The problem is that the king as the pinnacle of
:19:51. > :19:55.the political system, in the first instance was, if you like, splashed
:19:56. > :20:00.by the mud that was going on because of the massive discontent as a
:20:01. > :20:05.result of the economic crisis. It then hit him personally the biggest
:20:06. > :20:09.thing behind the demos, not directly against the king or monarchy, they
:20:10. > :20:15.are against the political system. But the political system is riddled
:20:16. > :20:19.with corruption, right from municiple level to the top. And the
:20:20. > :20:23.king was associated with it. Once it hit his family personally, once
:20:24. > :20:28.investigations started into his son-in-law then that hit him. That
:20:29. > :20:33.since, combined with a general weariness on his part, and of course
:20:34. > :20:38.the issue you about the German Princess, about the elephant hunting
:20:39. > :20:43.and so on and so forth. That is personal? It is personal but in
:20:44. > :20:48.Spain it is very odd. There was a point in Mark's report where he
:20:49. > :20:53.referred that he managed to get over the fact of many affairs. The
:20:54. > :20:57.Spaniards are worse than the French in this regard, or better, it
:20:58. > :21:01.depends the way you look at it. They don't give a damn about the sexual
:21:02. > :21:06.life of their male leaders. But the sense that money was being wasted or
:21:07. > :21:12.money changing hands in a corrupt manner, which has to be proved but
:21:13. > :21:18.the generalised feeling that was the case has caused part of the problem.
:21:19. > :21:22.Can we reappraise Franco for the fact that he chose this man,
:21:23. > :21:26.cleverly by your account in the transition to democracy, Franco
:21:27. > :21:32.chose him for the job? Absolutely not. He chose him and trained them.
:21:33. > :21:38.Effectively Juan Carlos was kidnapped age 10 and taken to Spain
:21:39. > :21:45.to be trained in FAUNGS. In the meanwhile Franco played with various
:21:46. > :21:50.royal candidates and he chose Juan Carlos to humiliate the legitimate
:21:51. > :21:54.king who was his father. That was the first dirty trick he did. The
:21:55. > :21:59.second thing is Franco trained Juan Carlos in order to maintain the
:22:00. > :22:03.dictatorship. What is truly remarkable and courageous about him
:22:04. > :22:08.is he betrayed Franco and the old system. Technically he didn't. There
:22:09. > :22:12.was an immensely clever arrangement whereby very, very clever
:22:13. > :22:18.constitutional lawyers, if you like, worked out ways to wriggle through
:22:19. > :22:23.Franco's constitutional arrangement, that there by made it possible for
:22:24. > :22:30.him to seem to fulfil the oaths he had taken. He did absolutely what
:22:31. > :22:34.Franco did not want him to do. His family seems delighted, presumably
:22:35. > :22:39.he is too, but the circumstances under which US army Sergeant Bowe
:22:40. > :22:47.Bergdahl came to be freed after five years in Taliban captivity have set
:22:48. > :22:51.off a furious spat. They demonstrate unambiguously about how all that
:22:52. > :22:55.talk about the United States not negotiating with hostage takers is
:22:56. > :23:00.so much hot air, it does and it did. In exchange of five of what the US
:23:01. > :23:04.claim to be the most dangerous men in the world have been freed. In
:23:05. > :23:14.addition to that there is the small matter of how Sergeant Bergdahl came
:23:15. > :23:18.to be captured in the first place. Release me, please, I'm begging you,
:23:19. > :23:23.bring me home. For five years a steady drip of Taliban videos
:23:24. > :23:33.provided the link to America's only prisoner of war. Please. Bring me
:23:34. > :23:38.home. Five years of moral dilemma between two American promises,
:23:39. > :23:42."leave no man behind" and "we don't negotiate with terrorists". The
:23:43. > :23:48.military motto won, Bowe Bergdahl is coming home. But while there is
:23:49. > :23:52.celebrations in his home town were the yellow ribbons were tied
:23:53. > :23:57.awaiting his return and where the balloons now fly, that difficult
:23:58. > :24:02.choice has consequences. An emotional reunion in Qatar between
:24:03. > :24:07.the Taliban and their five senior commanders, held for more than ten
:24:08. > :24:12.years in Guantanamo Bay. Their release described as a big victory
:24:13. > :24:17.by the Afghan Taliban leader, Mullah Omar in a rare public statement. And
:24:18. > :24:21.so the battle moves to America. And for control of the political
:24:22. > :24:25.narrative. A President, flanked by two
:24:26. > :24:30.delighted parents. Sergeant Sergi has missed birthdays and holidays
:24:31. > :24:34.and a simple moment with family and friends which all of us take for
:24:35. > :24:39.granted, but while Bowe was gone, he was never forgotten. With these
:24:40. > :24:43.prisoners of war exchanged as Afghan operations wind down, or as
:24:44. > :24:49.President Obama's opponents believe, was it a deal done with terrorists
:24:50. > :24:54.in a global war on terror, that America is still fight. We are all
:24:55. > :24:58.grateful he is returned. There are legitimate questions about these
:24:59. > :25:04.individuals who are being released and the conditions under way they
:25:05. > :25:09.will be released. These are the hardest of the hardcore. These are
:25:10. > :25:13.the highest high-risk people. And others that we have released have
:25:14. > :25:18.gone back into the fight. That has been documented. There is
:25:19. > :25:23.uncertainty about how Bowe Bergdahl was captured. It has some here
:25:24. > :25:27.asking if he was a hero or deserter. And whether America should have paid
:25:28. > :25:32.such a high price for his return. I was behind a patrol, I was lagging
:25:33. > :25:36.behind the patrol and I was captured. But colleagues say there
:25:37. > :25:41.was no patrol, that he left the base of his own accord, leaving his
:25:42. > :25:45.helmet and body armour behind. The last e-mail to his parents before
:25:46. > :25:50.his disappearance indicated his state of mind. "These people need
:25:51. > :26:11.help... " It is this controversy, personal and
:26:12. > :26:15.political that Bowe Bergdahl will return to once he's well enough. His
:26:16. > :26:20.parents fought for his freedom and will now have to help him readjust
:26:21. > :26:27.to it. You are free, freedom is yours. I will see you soon my
:26:28. > :26:33.beloved son, I love you. He has been gone so long that it will be very
:26:34. > :26:37.difficult to come back. It is like a diver going deep on a dive and has
:26:38. > :26:41.to stage back up through recompression, to get the nitrogen
:26:42. > :26:47.bubbles out of the system. If he comes up too fast it could kill him.
:26:48. > :26:52.Last month his father Bob spoke to the Guardian, recording on video the
:26:53. > :26:57.pain of waiting for a son to come home. I wake up each morning and my
:26:58. > :27:02.first thought is my son is still a prisoner of war in Afghanistan. This
:27:03. > :27:07.is where Bowe grew up, learned to hunt. This winter camp was built in
:27:08. > :27:12.case he was released. We set this up for him, hoping he would get home
:27:13. > :27:20.this winter, maybe he will need a place to stay. And kind of recover.
:27:21. > :27:25.His father has let his beard grow, has learned some Pashtu, campaigned
:27:26. > :27:31.relentlessly for his release and given some insight into why his son
:27:32. > :27:35.joined the military. I know it was Bow, he's motivation to help these
:27:36. > :27:43.people, it is how the war is shaped in the mind of a lot of Americans.
:27:44. > :27:54.Is that we are there as some kind of peace corp with guns. That is just
:27:55. > :27:58.an impossible mission. It is a mission we are not very good at I
:27:59. > :28:01.believe. The last decade proves that. There is excitement and
:28:02. > :28:05.anticipation about his home coming, they care little here about talks
:28:06. > :28:09.with the Taliban, US-Afghan relations and the political cost to
:28:10. > :28:14.President Obama or America, just the son that's coming home. We have the
:28:15. > :28:18.light up there that we turned on when Bowe was first captured, we
:28:19. > :28:26.have it had on ever since, we are going to let him turn that off.
:28:27. > :28:33.We're joined now by a woman held captive by the Colombian FARC
:28:34. > :28:38.movement for six years. What will he be feeling this released young man?
:28:39. > :28:46.I think he's probably of course filled with joy. But also with fear.
:28:47. > :28:53.He must be fearing to come back to a world that he doesn't know any more.
:28:54. > :28:58.Feeling that he doesn't belong any more. Because he has become so
:28:59. > :29:02.accustomed to the narrow confines of the world that he has been living
:29:03. > :29:07.in? No it is because the problem of the time. Five years makes you, he
:29:08. > :29:12.knows that he has missed many of the things that had happened in his
:29:13. > :29:18.family. That probably the people he knew are not the same, or probably
:29:19. > :29:28.some have died. That the world's going to come back to is not the
:29:29. > :29:35.same t has changed. And also because he will have to try to find another
:29:36. > :29:41.way of living. How is he likely to have been changed by the experience?
:29:42. > :29:47.In many, many ways probably the first thing he will notice is that
:29:48. > :29:52.the relationship he has with his family, which will be like the
:29:53. > :29:56.standard, where he will want to come back to, will have changed because
:29:57. > :30:00.he will have probably difficulties to trust. One of the problems when
:30:01. > :30:04.you are abducted is you are confronted on a daily basis that
:30:05. > :30:10.with people who are lying to you. So it becomes to you like normal or
:30:11. > :30:17.natural just to always be very sceptical and always you know have
:30:18. > :30:24.this trust problem. I suppose that he will have also to bear the fact
:30:25. > :30:29.that his own suffering will be put in balance with the suffering of his
:30:30. > :30:33.family and that's something that is always traumatic N a way there is
:30:34. > :30:38.this kind of discussion of who suffered the most. If you were going
:30:39. > :30:41.to give advice, if you were asked, I know you wouldn't give it otherwise,
:30:42. > :30:53.but if you were asked to give advice to him or his family what would it
:30:54. > :30:59.be? I think the key is love, you know. It is very difficult, in those
:31:00. > :31:05.situations everything is so fragile and I think that if the intention is
:31:06. > :31:09.love then things get slowly into place. Is it possible there might
:31:10. > :31:16.even be things that he would miss from his captivity? Not at the first
:31:17. > :31:23.moment, I would say, that in the first years he will just be so happy
:31:24. > :31:29.to be out of there. But afterwards, he might be like thinking over on
:31:30. > :31:33.what he lived and bringing back things that became important for him
:31:34. > :31:42.and it will give him another perspective. Not that he won't want
:31:43. > :31:50.to go back, but in a way that he will evaluate or assess for example
:31:51. > :31:58.the ability to be alone, to reflect on things and to meditate. After
:31:59. > :32:03.all, and your horrible experience being held captive for all those
:32:04. > :32:09.years you say you thank God for it? Yes. Why? Because I think that in my
:32:10. > :32:19.case it was an opportunity to grow. In many ways to mature. But those
:32:20. > :32:23.grow spiritually, to try to understand myself i think I
:32:24. > :32:26.discovered myself in the jungle with the good and bad things that I
:32:27. > :32:36.wanted to change. Thank you very much, thank you. What do we tell our
:32:37. > :32:42.daughters, our friends about how to live their lives. The editor of
:32:43. > :32:48.Cosmopolitan magazine allegedly claimed that women could have
:32:49. > :32:52.careers, everything and orgasams. But a female reader has discovered,
:32:53. > :32:59.one after another, that the one thing you can have, is advice in
:33:00. > :33:04.abundance. Now comes along is Her Poshness Kirsty Allsop says they
:33:05. > :33:08.need to get it in the right order, have your children while you can
:33:09. > :33:10.rather than when your career will allow
:33:11. > :33:15.rather than when your career will Apart from the dangers of male
:33:16. > :33:23.colleagues that remain, this scene is not quite as routine as it once
:33:24. > :33:24.was. Family life came first, to such distractions as university for young
:33:25. > :33:29.women. Since distractions as university for young
:33:30. > :33:32.changed dramatically. Women are now more likely than men to go to
:33:33. > :33:39.university. And that is reflected in the age women are choosing to have
:33:40. > :33:44.children. From 23 in the late 1960s to nearly 30 now. Women may be
:33:45. > :33:53.having it all, but probably not all at the same time. Property expert
:33:54. > :33:58.and presenter Kirsty Allsop says women need to prioritise. The period
:33:59. > :34:02.of time we can get married and children, but as a woman your
:34:03. > :34:08.fertility drops off the cliff aged 35. Today the self-described
:34:09. > :34:16.feminist went further talking to the Telegraph, she says the advice she
:34:17. > :34:20.would give to her own hypothetical daughter was let's get you in flat,
:34:21. > :34:25.find you a nice boyfriend and you can have a baby by the time you are
:34:26. > :34:29.27. There was an eruption. What was so wrong with the advice about women
:34:30. > :34:37.choosing their own vocation, vocation, vocation. We are ajoined
:34:38. > :34:42.by Kirsty and Holly the editor of Vagenda magazine. What do you make
:34:43. > :34:47.of the advice? I find it slightly depressing. What is sad about it is
:34:48. > :34:49.that you say you know you have this hypothetical daughter, growing up in
:34:50. > :34:53.a society that makes it difficult to be a mother viae a career and do
:34:54. > :34:57.university and things so, I would ask her to change her life around,
:34:58. > :35:01.and what I find depressing about that is I really want society to
:35:02. > :35:06.change. I want us to campaign for things like paternity leave to be
:35:07. > :35:11.extended, and for flexible working hours. I don't want women's lives to
:35:12. > :35:14.have to change. There is one thing Holly that is really difficult in
:35:15. > :35:17.all of this. I want exactly what you want, all of those things, but
:35:18. > :35:23.nature is not with you and I. Nature is not a feminist. This one factor
:35:24. > :35:27.about the fertility window is the only thing that I was addressing and
:35:28. > :35:32.discussing. Go to university, have a career, do what makes you happy,
:35:33. > :35:38.travel, write, do whatever you want, but be aware of the fertility window
:35:39. > :35:44.and make your choices in an informed way. And this fertility window has
:35:45. > :35:50.been a taboo topic, people have not discussed it. And that's the issue,
:35:51. > :35:55.we can't change it. That issen unarguable fact, fertility does go
:35:56. > :36:06.over a cliff as you put it by the time, from about mid-30s on wards?
:36:07. > :36:10.If you have a fertility problem you don't know about it and you hit 35
:36:11. > :36:15.and go into forms of treatment that is very difficult. That is a
:36:16. > :36:21.biological fact? It is also that two people make a baby and why should be
:36:22. > :36:26.a woman considering. Because only the woman is affected by the
:36:27. > :36:30.fertility problem? Why shouldn't the man leave university as well. Holly
:36:31. > :36:34.is quite right, that is what I said in the article, that is why today
:36:35. > :36:38.has particularly enraged me, I have been condemned for saying it, people
:36:39. > :36:43.haven't read the whole interview. I have! In the interview I said if I
:36:44. > :36:46.had a son of 26 in a loving relationship with someone, I would
:36:47. > :36:50.say to him, address the topic of what you both want for your future.
:36:51. > :36:53.It is important that men understand about the fertility window just the
:36:54. > :36:57.same as women. Because it impacts them. They want to be parents. And
:36:58. > :37:02.if they don't want to be parents they need to say, sorry, that is not
:37:03. > :37:06.what I want right now, this isn't for me. We need to be more honest,
:37:07. > :37:11.as women to each other and as parents to our children. Because the
:37:12. > :37:18.heartache of interfillity, we have all seen it, we -- infertility, we
:37:19. > :37:21.have all friends who have failed to understand this window because women
:37:22. > :37:24.haven't been honest with other women because we have lots of things we
:37:25. > :37:30.still have to achieve and there is lots of things that women still
:37:31. > :37:34.struggle to get on equal terms. So this topic has been taboo. You must
:37:35. > :37:40.have come across women who have struggled with this? Personally what
:37:41. > :37:44.I come across more often with the Vagenda is people telling me they
:37:45. > :37:48.are constantly reminded in the media about their fertility, about their
:37:49. > :37:52.biological clock ticking, about how they should choose between a career
:37:53. > :37:56.and a child and how that should be mutually exclusive. To me, I know
:37:57. > :38:08.this isn't something you are opposed to. It is not mutually exclusive,
:38:09. > :38:12.but it is a biological argument? I do think the clock is ticking but I
:38:13. > :38:17.don't see how it changes into you changing your life. Especially not
:38:18. > :38:22.only for a woman, or a daughter. If I had a daughter I would say to her
:38:23. > :38:27.think about it, it is her personal biological clock, it is her personal
:38:28. > :38:31.fertility, she needs to discuss it with her partner obviously. We have
:38:32. > :38:35.to reatraining our lives because we live so much longer, you know.
:38:36. > :38:39.Nature has in one sense been beaten by us, we have added 20 years to our
:38:40. > :38:44.life span in the last 100 years and yet we haven't been able to alter,
:38:45. > :38:47.in any way, that fertility women, because women are born with their
:38:48. > :38:53.eggs, they are desperate to get out from the age of 14, by the time you
:38:54. > :38:58.are 35 they have been trying to get out for 20 years? Definitely, but
:38:59. > :39:04.there is so much pressure by the media women are so aware of it, and
:39:05. > :39:07.they are hold to be hypera-- told to be hyperaware of it. There is this
:39:08. > :39:10.structural problem with women not being able to have babies and
:39:11. > :39:13.careers. The real priority is to make sure that we have those things
:39:14. > :39:16.in place that they can. We shouldn't be telling women only to be
:39:17. > :39:21.responsible. I know this isn't exactly what you said as well. But
:39:22. > :39:25.women only to be responsible. Did you reorganise your life? I was very
:39:26. > :39:29.lucky Jeremy, because I was desperate for children from a very
:39:30. > :39:34.early age and nobody was interested. Absolutely not. When I met my
:39:35. > :39:38.partner was 32 and he knew that I wanted children and we had them
:39:39. > :39:44.sooner than would have been ideal. So it worked out for you? Only just.
:39:45. > :39:47.But it did work out? It did, but I was lucky. The thing I'm really
:39:48. > :39:52.adamant about, make your choices, don't let, as Holly said, don't let
:39:53. > :39:58.society dictate, but make your choices in an informed way. If we
:39:59. > :40:04.say to women it is OK, it is OK, wait, waiting wait we are denying
:40:05. > :40:08.those women who want children, and there are many who don't, and that
:40:09. > :40:12.is a very important issue, this is not for everyone. But those who know
:40:13. > :40:17.at an early stage they want children, they need to look at all
:40:18. > :40:21.the choices available and say should I reorder the choices in order to
:40:22. > :40:27.reflect that the only window closing is my fertility window, my education
:40:28. > :40:31.and career window is not closing. Including the men they are with?
:40:32. > :40:35.Yes, of course. There are reckoned to be thousands of young people in
:40:36. > :40:41.gangs in London, when I say young I mean the average age of being a
:40:42. > :40:45.member of one of these gangs on first conviction is 15. Today law
:40:46. > :40:49.enforcement officials from both sides of the Atlantic met to pool
:40:50. > :40:54.ideas about how to combat the lure of gang life and how to limit its
:40:55. > :40:59.damage. Older guys told us how to do things, how to beef, how to make
:41:00. > :41:05.money. Don't leave your boy, don't run, don't snitch, don't get caught.
:41:06. > :41:10.JT Jumps Off, the story of one gang member in London was a Newsnight
:41:11. > :41:15.report replayed today at City Hall for a summit on what to do about
:41:16. > :41:20.gangs. London has turned a corner with gang crime, at least that's the
:41:21. > :41:24.climb Boris Johnson and the Met are instrument pet, but it is an odd
:41:25. > :41:30.form of success where nearly 20 young people were shot or stabbed
:41:31. > :41:36.every week in the capital last year. Are the Met doing enough to help the
:41:37. > :41:41.young men and women taught caught up in the -- caught up in the gangs and
:41:42. > :41:49.would the gang members really trust them. SGLP this year the inquest
:41:50. > :41:53.into Mark Duggan's death flared into angry name calling, a window into
:41:54. > :41:57.tensions between the police and some communities in London. But the
:41:58. > :42:01.police were found to have acted legally in that case, but they are
:42:02. > :42:04.still under a cloud, embarrassed by revelations that officers sold
:42:05. > :42:09.information to newspapers and tried to bring down the cabinet minister,
:42:10. > :42:15.Andrew Mitchell. And today came another blow as the IPCC said it
:42:16. > :42:18.will investigate claims of discreditable conduct over police
:42:19. > :42:22.handling of the Stephen Lawrence murder inquiry. Plenty to talk about
:42:23. > :42:30.with the commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Sir Bernard
:42:31. > :42:35.Hogan-Howe. Will you ever rid the streets of gangs? Never completely.
:42:36. > :42:38.One of the things I found was there was a huge problem when I arrived
:42:39. > :42:42.three years ago. And there is still a problem. What worried me was the
:42:43. > :42:46.amount of crime driven by relatively small groups of people. All the
:42:47. > :42:49.people I talked to told me there was a gang people, and yet we the police
:42:50. > :42:53.hadn't acknowledged it. The first thing was to acknowledge the problem
:42:54. > :42:57.and try to do something about it. Do you understand why some young men
:42:58. > :43:02.carry knives? I understand why they say they carry them, I can never
:43:03. > :43:07.defend it myself. You don't agree with carrying a knife but you
:43:08. > :43:10.understand how they may wish to? I can't show anybody knit sympathy for
:43:11. > :43:14.somebody who carries knives. I'm asking for understanding? I'm not
:43:15. > :43:19.going to understand it, my advice to them is not to carry knives. We will
:43:20. > :43:23.do our best to get them out of the lifestyle and arrest the people
:43:24. > :43:27.involved. But you can never give any sympathy to people who carry knives.
:43:28. > :43:34.Do you think you are getting to the girls involved in gangs? I think
:43:35. > :43:39.that is hard e quite often the girls are victims, it is not always true,
:43:40. > :43:43.they are used as couriers for drugs as they are thought to receive a
:43:44. > :43:47.lesser sentence, that is not true. The other way they are victims is
:43:48. > :43:50.traded as sexual playthings around the gangs, that is where they are
:43:51. > :43:54.particularly vulnerable. Are you making as much progress with girls
:43:55. > :43:58.as boys? I don't think it is as profound, there is more to do there.
:43:59. > :44:02.The girls seem as though they have got into the culture themselves of
:44:03. > :44:06.not realising their victims and they are seeks acceptance. I have think
:44:07. > :44:15.we have far more to do but both are important. What are the policing
:44:16. > :44:22.issues that keep awe you awake tonight? The gangs and the amount of
:44:23. > :44:26.crime that they are involved in. We haven't resolved it yet it will take
:44:27. > :44:30.probably a decade of working hard in a careful way. What are the other
:44:31. > :44:34.issues that worry you? We have to think about in London about counter
:44:35. > :44:38.terrorism issues. Obviously we have the threat that people are aware of
:44:39. > :44:43.in terms of Syria and the young men generally who have gone away to
:44:44. > :44:48.Syria. How dangerous is that, young men going to Syria and not coming
:44:49. > :44:52.back? We have seen reports over the last week where there was an attack
:44:53. > :44:56.in Belgium where it was suspected the person had been in Syria,s if
:44:57. > :45:00.that is a sign of things to come that is a worry. It could be if we
:45:01. > :45:03.see large numbers arriving back together, depending on how the war
:45:04. > :45:08.ends. We will have to be concerned about that. Our big concern is a
:45:09. > :45:11.large group of people who are brutalised and have access to other
:45:12. > :45:16.people in a similar frame of mind and may be determined to take
:45:17. > :45:19.political action. You must worry about this, the general standing of
:45:20. > :45:23.the police, something has happened to the relationship between much of
:45:24. > :45:29.the society and the police force. The police are no longer seen as
:45:30. > :45:33.friends, they are no longer seen as trustworthy in many communities, I'm
:45:34. > :45:36.not just talking here about criminal communities, but in parts of society
:45:37. > :45:42.there are things that have happened that have made people think "the
:45:43. > :45:47.bloody police", do you worry about that? We do, although I'm not sure
:45:48. > :45:52.as you have described it, overstates it. Hillsborough, the police made up
:45:53. > :45:57.evidence, they frame a cabinet minister in the plan gate affair --
:45:58. > :46:03.plebgate affair, how much more do d'oh we need as -- do we need as
:46:04. > :46:08.proof that things are wrong in the police? If you span 0 years and look
:46:09. > :46:12.at journalism and health, how much other issues when looking over 30
:46:13. > :46:18.years there would be worries. There is special duties belonging to the
:46:19. > :46:21.police? Ly on to that, we have high standards and the police should keep
:46:22. > :46:26.to them. We should all be shocked when those standards are not kept.
:46:27. > :46:29.If we look at things like surveys, the confidence in the police is
:46:30. > :46:32.high. If you look at the evidence going through the courts system, it
:46:33. > :46:36.is rare for police evidence to be doubted. I think there are some
:46:37. > :46:40.things that should reassure us, where there are things have gone
:46:41. > :46:46.wrong it is vital to get to the bottom and put it right. That's all
:46:47. > :47:02.we have time for tonight, until tomorrow, good night.
:47:03. > :47:08.we have time for tonight, until tomorrow, good night. That's all we
:47:09. > :47:09.have time for tonight, until tomorrow, good night. That's all
:47:10. > :47:17.NSMIT Good There will be lengthy dry spells and
:47:18. > :47:20.breaking through western areas, but more widely through the afternoon.
:47:21. > :47:22.So some decent weather to be had