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:00:00. > :00:11.Tonight with days to go to the start of the World Cup, we report from

:00:12. > :00:15.Brazil on the grotesque under-side to one of the world's greatest

:00:16. > :00:19.sporting occasions. In the shadows of the football stadiums another

:00:20. > :00:22.side to the competition, the chirp being traffiked for prostitution. Do

:00:23. > :00:47.the police never check? Millions of us tune in for this

:00:48. > :00:52.stuff week after week, why do we love it, why do women seem to like

:00:53. > :00:57.crime drama that features violence against women. The crime writer Anne

:00:58. > :01:02.Cleaves is here to help us with that. And remember this? How a 1980s

:01:03. > :01:17.computer game has lived to the ripe old age of 30 and is still gathering

:01:18. > :01:20.new fans. At 9.00 on Thursday next week the football teams from Brazil

:01:21. > :01:25.and Croatia will begin the first match in the 2014 World Cup. Best

:01:26. > :01:28.not to think what the start of that great sporting carnival means for

:01:29. > :01:34.untold numbers of children in Brazil. Gangs of pimps are

:01:35. > :01:37.trafficking young girls to ply their trade around the stadiums of host

:01:38. > :01:41.cities there. The country is already facing an epidemic of child

:01:42. > :01:45.prostitution with children as young as nine selling their bodies to

:01:46. > :01:49.escape poverty. Even though they are the victims of sexual exploitation

:01:50. > :01:52.some of the children and their parents were happy for them to be

:01:53. > :02:05.identified on camera. In this country only. We report now from

:02:06. > :02:11.Brazil. This is the BR 116, a road that runs

:02:12. > :02:15.almost the entire length of Brazil. The route takes you through towns

:02:16. > :02:26.where children try to escape poverty by selling their bodies. This

:02:27. > :02:33.highway is nearly 3,000 miles long and a recent police survey

:02:34. > :02:37.discovered almost 300 areas where child prostitution was taking place.

:02:38. > :02:45.And that means on average children can be found offering sex nearly

:02:46. > :02:51.every ten miles. We're heading to a remote town 300 miles from the World

:02:52. > :03:02.Cup host cities in the northern tronnics. And more than 1,000 miles

:03:03. > :03:06.away from Rio January in the south. Prostitution is legal over 18, yet

:03:07. > :03:11.the number of children selling their bodies across the country is said to

:03:12. > :03:16.run into the hundreds of thousands. Here I'm told the clients are mainly

:03:17. > :03:19.truck drivers, hiring children as young as 11. We filmed very young

:03:20. > :03:28.girls flirting and working the tables in a bar near a truck park.

:03:29. > :03:31.Regular police patrols of truck parks targeting child prostitution

:03:32. > :03:36.are already overwhelmed. But they are facing a new problem, the

:03:37. > :03:50.trafficking of girls to World Cup host cities.

:03:51. > :03:57.In the last six months around 100 young girls have been referred to

:03:58. > :04:11.the social services. A social worker took me to meet some of them. That's

:04:12. > :04:16.your house? A flower and this is the sky. This girl has just turned 12

:04:17. > :04:21.and lives close to the highway. She seems like such a typical child. But

:04:22. > :04:41.social services tell us just how grim her childhood has been.

:04:42. > :04:56.Is it not scary being on the streets late at night? Everywhere you turn

:04:57. > :05:03.in this small town you see the poverty that is stealing childhood.

:05:04. > :05:08.Angela began selling herself when she was 13, she's now 17 and

:05:09. > :05:12.pregnant for the fifth time. Her first three children were either

:05:13. > :05:19.adopted or aborted, she kept her fourth. Is life tough here? What is

:05:20. > :05:42.tough about it? How is this human misery possible in

:05:43. > :05:46.a country which has the seventh-largest economy in the

:05:47. > :05:53.world, just behind the UK. Congresswoman, Lillian Sarh has just

:05:54. > :05:56.released the findings of the parliamentary inquiry into child

:05:57. > :06:34.prostitution. Her research took her to all 12 World Cup host cities.

:06:35. > :06:40.The parliamentary report highlights the traffics of children from rural

:06:41. > :06:46.communities to World Cup host cities. To the prop calm north-east

:06:47. > :06:51.the BR 11 six takes you to this stadium, in the shadow of the city's

:06:52. > :06:58.World Cup stadium young girls are trading their bodies. We spot two

:06:59. > :07:10.girls on the street, right outside a police station. As we get close it

:07:11. > :07:13.is clear they are very young. With a charity worker we play the part of

:07:14. > :07:28.British tourists, and they immediately offer us a programme,

:07:29. > :07:37.the local slang for sex. How old are you? They look much younger. With

:07:38. > :07:40.girls look so young, some look younger than others, but none of

:07:41. > :07:54.them have any ID whatsoever. And how much would it be for a "programme"?

:07:55. > :08:02.That is about ?40 pounds. I have to be afraid. Do the police never

:08:03. > :08:14.check? A police car has just gone by we are talking to a very young boy,

:08:15. > :08:18.didn't take any notice. The police told the BBC that complacency can be

:08:19. > :08:22.an issue and are training their officers to be more proactive.

:08:23. > :08:27.During the World Cup the Government promises more police patrols like

:08:28. > :08:34.these, to spot exploitation and a hot-line to report abuse. Even in

:08:35. > :08:46.daylight young girls are selling themselves around stadiums. This

:08:47. > :08:51.girl is 14 years old. On the other side of the Atlantic Brazilian

:08:52. > :08:57.footballer David Luiz warns England fans of the consequences of hiring

:08:58. > :09:02.child prostitutes. This video is being shown on some flights to the

:09:03. > :09:06.World Cup host cities, a campaign funded by British charities and

:09:07. > :09:10.backed by British police agencies. It is a penalty! But evidence

:09:11. > :09:16.suggests pimps are determined to cash in on anticipated demand.

:09:17. > :09:21.13-year-old Fernada was already selling her body on the B-116

:09:22. > :09:23.highway, she was drugged, kidnapped and forced to work on the streets

:09:24. > :09:55.here. She managed to escape. She is back

:09:56. > :10:11.home with her mother. But her pimps are still at large.

:10:12. > :10:18.She and her mother are reunited, but in a country that is criticised for

:10:19. > :10:21.failing to tackle poverty and child exploitation, there are thousands

:10:22. > :10:27.more children that have little hope of escaping Brazil's sex trade. You

:10:28. > :10:32.can see more of that report on Panorama tomorrow night on BBC One

:10:33. > :10:38.at 10. 35. Now the bureaucrats at the European

:10:39. > :10:40.Commission generously dispensed unwanted advice to the British

:10:41. > :10:44.Government today. They were kind enough to advise on the council tax,

:10:45. > :10:49.house building and London property prices. It is time for our betters

:10:50. > :10:53.now to choose a successor to that Prince among men, the current

:10:54. > :10:56.President of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso.

:10:57. > :11:01.There are five-and-a-half candidates for the job, a couple of Greens want

:11:02. > :11:13.it as some sort of job SHAFRMENT the front runner is Jean-Claude Junker.

:11:14. > :11:21.In the wake of elections which demonstrated how little enthusiasm

:11:22. > :11:26.people have for the political elite's job, there were rumours that

:11:27. > :11:32.the Germans might be heeding David Cameron's campaign for Junker. Who

:11:33. > :11:36.is the kind of democratic political leader you would love on our shores,

:11:37. > :11:41.the one who says they are ready for being insulted for being

:11:42. > :11:48.insufficiently democratic, he is for secret, dark debates, if it is a yes

:11:49. > :11:55.they will say on we go and if no they will say they will continue.

:11:56. > :11:59.Some of Jean-Claude Junker's worst hits which means the UK is not keen.

:12:00. > :12:08.It is not hard to see why David Cameron doesn't really want

:12:09. > :12:13.Jean-Claude Junker in the job, there is an obvious appeal to keep them at

:12:14. > :12:17.bay from beyond the water. There is a risk in publicly opposing

:12:18. > :12:24.something that will be decided in private, in a process that the UK

:12:25. > :12:29.can't completely control. Junker does have some fans, but Government

:12:30. > :12:33.sources are adamant you can't make the case for change in Europe with a

:12:34. > :12:39.face from a small country in Europe first a minister in the 1980s. But

:12:40. > :12:44.he is the front runner, and if David Cameron's strategy is to make enough

:12:45. > :12:47.friends behind closed doors fails he will have to deal with the ire of

:12:48. > :12:54.his euro-sceptics. ??FORCEDYELL Euro-sceptics use the word

:12:55. > :13:00."federalists" too loosely, someone they disagree with. But this is bona

:13:01. > :13:03.fide federalism, he believes in reciprocal voting rights at national

:13:04. > :13:06.election, he wants all the national foreign ministries to be merged into

:13:07. > :13:13.a European one, he wants a European police force and tax system. This is

:13:14. > :13:21.the whole 1950s federalist agenda, undulated. Killing off his bid would

:13:22. > :13:25.be difficult. The most powerful office holder in the EU went through

:13:26. > :13:32.the ordeal along with the audience of live debates. But because Junker

:13:33. > :13:35.is the candidate put forward by the EPP, the biggest block in the

:13:36. > :13:40.European Parliament, and they expect their man to be put in charge. That

:13:41. > :13:43.whole jazzy process could have been a waste of time though. Because

:13:44. > :13:48.there is nothing to stop other names being put forward by this lot,

:13:49. > :13:52.Europe's actual leaders, the council at the last minute. One senior

:13:53. > :13:57.Conservative source told Newsnight the Irish Prime Minister, Enda Kenny

:13:58. > :14:03.is their preferred option, even though publicly he has backed

:14:04. > :14:07.Junker. But is Angela Merkel trying to make life harder for her

:14:08. > :14:12.political naughty fetch few. In the last few days she has hardened her

:14:13. > :14:19.support for Junker, but tonight it appears she might have suggested an

:14:20. > :14:26.elegant way out, suggesting the head of the IMF, Christine Lagarde. It

:14:27. > :14:34.would be a godsend for David Cameron, she is a French candidate

:14:35. > :14:42.with an Anglo-Saxon feel to her, she speaks fluent English, run the IMF,

:14:43. > :14:48.run a big American law firm. She ticks so many boxes at Number Ten,

:14:49. > :14:51.she may be blocked by others precisely because of that. If the

:14:52. > :14:57.appointment doesn't go the UK's way, does it push us nearer leaving the

:14:58. > :15:03.EU all together. That thought may tickle euro-sceptic, but Number Ten

:15:04. > :15:05.officially says no. Mr Junker or whoever is President of the European

:15:06. > :15:08.Commission, will not decide on what happens to a renegotiation which

:15:09. > :15:11.will not even begin until a year from now the President of the

:15:12. > :15:15.European Commission is an important person with a lot of influence, but

:15:16. > :15:19.he does not take the decisions. And as our relations with our

:15:20. > :15:23.continental cousins are never straight forward, there is another

:15:24. > :15:27.complication in this torturous process, it is not just about trying

:15:28. > :15:34.to choose the next President, it is also who gets what in the commission

:15:35. > :15:40.and who decides the agenda. Submit to Junker and perhaps the UK gets a

:15:41. > :15:45.juicy deal elsewhere. One senior Conservative suggests what matters

:15:46. > :15:48.is who runs the internal market. With phone calls tonight and a

:15:49. > :15:52.summit in Brussels tomorrow, David Cameron has more chances to win

:15:53. > :15:57.friends across the channel, but he will need them, the machinations are

:15:58. > :16:05.complex and will take time to complete. Jacob Rees-Mogg a

:16:06. > :16:09.euro-sceptic MP is here, the Dutch MEP from the liberal grouping in the

:16:10. > :16:17.European Parliament joins us from the Hague. What do you make of David

:16:18. > :16:27.Cameron's objections to Mr Junker getting the job? What is important

:16:28. > :16:31.is the European Union becomes more democratic and the process of who

:16:32. > :16:36.gets the jobs is more transparent and people have a voice in who this

:16:37. > :16:40.person is. A first step has been taken by the European Parliament

:16:41. > :16:46.putting forward candidates by political groups. The largest group

:16:47. > :16:51.in the European Parliament has put forward Mr Junker. It is up to Mr

:16:52. > :16:54.Cameron to make his case among the council and see what the European

:16:55. > :16:56.Parliament will make of it. I don't think he has much of a chance

:16:57. > :17:01.because the European Parliament has committed to this system before the

:17:02. > :17:06.elections to take a step towards a more democratic and more transparent

:17:07. > :17:11.Europe which I think is very urgently needed. This was agreed

:17:12. > :17:17.that the largest party would endorse a candidate and that candidate would

:17:18. > :17:21.be more or less a shoe-in, before the election? Who was it agreed by?

:17:22. > :17:24.It was agreed by the European Parliament? The European Parliament

:17:25. > :17:28.decided amongst itself. It doesn't have the power to appoint, it has

:17:29. > :17:33.the power to approve, which is different. And in the election there

:17:34. > :17:39.is a poll done to see if anybody had heard of the candidates. 6% of

:17:40. > :17:41.voters had never heard of Mr Junker, with a British parliamentary

:17:42. > :17:45.election people know who the candidates are. The idea that

:17:46. > :17:48.democracy comes through the European Parliament within the EU is false.

:17:49. > :17:53.It comes through the Council of Ministers. But this is the mechanism

:17:54. > :17:58.and it was agreed beforehand, why not play a straight bat on it?

:17:59. > :18:03.Because the European Parliament rbitrarily decided this is what it

:18:04. > :18:06.was going to do. This was only one of the institution bus not the most

:18:07. > :18:09.democratic, it must be the Council of Ministers that represent the

:18:10. > :18:13.Governments. Fair enough, they are involved. What is wrong with the

:18:14. > :18:18.principle of the largest party which gathers the largest the largest

:18:19. > :18:21.number of votes being the most effective operator in the

:18:22. > :18:25.endorsement? I think it is a mistake to view the EPP as a single party,

:18:26. > :18:29.that the campaigns in individual parties were run on individual

:18:30. > :18:34.national political grounds, the fact that they picked some obscure

:18:35. > :18:38.Luxembourger to be their candidate that 66% of voters haven't heard of

:18:39. > :18:47.really doesn't give him any credibility. If the price of getting

:18:48. > :18:51.Mr Junker into the position is that a country like Britain decides it

:18:52. > :18:58.has to advance its referendum on whether it stays in the European

:18:59. > :19:01.Union, is that a price worth paying? I'm really sorry I'm having trouble

:19:02. > :19:06.hearing you, what I think is important is that the European

:19:07. > :19:10.Parliament becomes a stronger player, representing European

:19:11. > :19:15.citizens on the EU level, and what we need in Europe is more democracy

:19:16. > :19:19.and more transparency. We do not need back door dealings, back room

:19:20. > :19:24.dealings that the council is known for, so I think it is important, we

:19:25. > :19:28.have put forward as political groups these candidates, and if some groups

:19:29. > :19:32.have buyers remorse to put it that way, that is something they have to

:19:33. > :19:37.deal with, as the liberal group in the European Parliament we have put

:19:38. > :19:41.forward the former Prime Minister of Belgium and the leader of our

:19:42. > :19:44.political group in the European Parliament. There have been debates

:19:45. > :19:49.on television between these candidates to give European citizens

:19:50. > :19:53.a sense of who these people are that are candidates for the President of

:19:54. > :19:58.the European Commission. So this is a first step in what should be many

:19:59. > :20:02.more steps towards a more effective democratic and transparent European

:20:03. > :20:06.Union. I think if there is a problem that we have in Europe, but in

:20:07. > :20:10.politics more broadly in the EU, it is that there are politicians who

:20:11. > :20:14.say one thing, one day and then something else the next day. So we

:20:15. > :20:19.have to stick to what it is we have said we would do, now we must Folau

:20:20. > :20:22.through. Jacob Rees-Mogg you would accept this is an improvement on the

:20:23. > :20:26.previous system would you? Not particularly. You don't think it is

:20:27. > :20:29.more transparent? I don't think it is particularly, nobody has heard of

:20:30. > :20:33.these candidates. Is there any single candidate among them you

:20:34. > :20:37.would support for the job? Perhaps Bill Cash should become a candidate.

:20:38. > :20:41.He is not unfortunately a candidate? He could become one the Council of

:20:42. > :20:44.Ministers could put him forward, it is their choice. This isn't open and

:20:45. > :20:48.transparent because the European Parliament is a closed,

:20:49. > :20:51.inward-looking system, that nobody has paid any attention to the

:20:52. > :20:57.European Parliament's candidates or these debates other than people who

:20:58. > :21:00.are tied into the system. As a member of the organisation there

:21:01. > :21:05.will be somebody who will be President of the Commission? I have

:21:06. > :21:09.more confidence in the pre-Nice system where there was a veto. It is

:21:10. > :21:11.a pity that was given up. National countries represent their countries

:21:12. > :21:15.not the European Parliament, it would be better to do it on that

:21:16. > :21:18.system and whether that is done in private or the near private of the

:21:19. > :21:22.European Parliament, because however much they may have it debates I

:21:23. > :21:31.think they are watched by as many people as watch the Eurovision Song

:21:32. > :21:36.Contest. Or not. But how big a problem is it for David Cameron if

:21:37. > :21:43.he doesn't get his way and Mr Junker is appointed? It is a minor problem.

:21:44. > :21:50.I think back to the appointment of Jack Santer, who took over by the

:21:51. > :21:53.man vetoed by John Major. He courageously vetoed one pro-European

:21:54. > :21:58.federalist, replaced by another, seen as a great victory for British

:21:59. > :22:01.diplomacy. I don't think it would be a great defeat if it went against

:22:02. > :22:10.David Cameron, but equally it won't be a great victory if it goes his

:22:11. > :22:15.way. If there is some sort of compromise, say Christine Lagarde,

:22:16. > :22:17.seems to be popular at present, would that be something that you and

:22:18. > :22:22.your friend could live with, or would it be a subversion of what you

:22:23. > :22:30.see as a process that was agreed upon beforehand? I'm sorry, I can't

:22:31. > :22:34.hear you sufficiently. I heard that the MP of the Conservative Party

:22:35. > :22:38.said that the council should make these decision, but what has been

:22:39. > :22:41.clear is that the system as it has been working with the council and

:22:42. > :22:46.ministers trading different interests is not doing enough for

:22:47. > :22:49.European citizens so it is clear that we should not rely on business

:22:50. > :22:54.as usual, but we have to reform the EU to make it more democratic. I

:22:55. > :22:58.think that is essential. I'm sorry if I cannot hear your question, the

:22:59. > :23:03.satellite connection is not strong enough. I'm terribly sorry you

:23:04. > :23:06.haven't been able to hear properly either. Thank you very much for

:23:07. > :23:11.joining us and thank you Jacob Rees-Mogg too. Regular viewers will

:23:12. > :23:16.perhaps recall a couple of Newsnight reports from Owen Bennett Jones of

:23:17. > :23:21.the activities in Britain of a Pakistani exile who seems to have

:23:22. > :23:26.instilled a rule of fear in the city of Karachi. Finally he was arrested

:23:27. > :23:32.in London and being questioned about alleged money laundering. It set off

:23:33. > :23:35.protests in Karachi where his organisation has terrorised great

:23:36. > :23:39.numbers of people. Such is their reputation that fear of what it

:23:40. > :23:57.might do almost paralysed the city today. Here we are with the latest.

:23:58. > :24:03.IT With little drama Mr Hussein was picked up in a quiet, wealthy

:24:04. > :24:07.suburb. He's Karachi's most important politician w a solid

:24:08. > :24:12.parliamentary block and the ability to deliver formidable street power.

:24:13. > :24:16.He is famous for speeches like this. One of the investigations he faces

:24:17. > :24:24.in the UK is asking whether these kind of remarks amount to incitement

:24:25. > :24:29.to violence. Two Newsnight films revealed the investigations into Mr

:24:30. > :24:37.Hussein and caused a big impact in Pakistan, now he's in custody

:24:38. > :24:44.suspected of money laundering. The party today said it was in shock

:24:45. > :24:50.that he is critically ill and there will now be peaceful protests. But

:24:51. > :24:54.after the arrest, many parts of Karachi emptied as people feared a

:24:55. > :24:57.more violent reaction. Those in the city who passionately support him,

:24:58. > :25:02.and those who fear him, are all waiting to hear the latest news from

:25:03. > :25:11.London. And whether the arrest will be Folaued with charges. I'm joined

:25:12. > :25:16.in the studio now, what is the situation in Karachi tonight? The

:25:17. > :25:19.MQM have their people out on the streets in the city, they say they

:25:20. > :25:23.will be doing a peaceful protest until's out of custody, that could

:25:24. > :25:27.be as long as 36 hours, that is happening. I mean it has been more

:25:28. > :25:31.peaceful than many people thought, some buses were set alight. These

:25:32. > :25:35.guys in the screen are his supporters in Karachi? So he has a

:25:36. > :25:39.very passionate support base, very loyal support, but also many people

:25:40. > :25:43.in the city who fear him. The city is divided by him. But those people

:25:44. > :25:47.who support him are always, he has huge street power, he can deploy

:25:48. > :25:50.them whenever he wants. It is extraordinary that one man can have

:25:51. > :25:55.that much sway? Particularly when he has lived in London for 23 years.

:25:56. > :26:00.This is all done down a phone line. He has complete control of his party

:26:01. > :26:03.and now he is gone one of the problems the party has got is they

:26:04. > :26:07.don't know what to do because he's not there to tell them. How can he

:26:08. > :26:11.control a party thousands of miles away living in London? The party

:26:12. > :26:15.critics would say it is by the use of violence, by the use of force

:26:16. > :26:18.that many of his party officials are afraid of him, and that it is being

:26:19. > :26:22.done in that way. His supporters would say he's a charismatic and

:26:23. > :26:31.brilliant politician able to pull it off. Now the last episode of the

:26:32. > :26:37.gritty television crime series Happy Valley ended half an hour or so ago,

:26:38. > :26:41.it has been great success, with the central character, Sergeant

:26:42. > :26:44.Katherine Corn hugely popular. It is widely recognised that the most

:26:45. > :26:48.eager consumers of this sort of television are women. The question

:26:49. > :26:52.is why? Why should entertainment that so often features violence

:26:53. > :26:55.against women appeal to women? In a moment we will talk to two crime

:26:56. > :27:01.writers about the attraction of events we all fervently pray will

:27:02. > :27:05.never occur for real. They have this, in the meantime, as you would

:27:06. > :27:13.expect it contains some scenes of violence you might find distressing.

:27:14. > :27:18.Is it a realistic depicks of the kind of violence women can suffer in

:27:19. > :27:24.real life, or gratuitous titillation to win ratings. The cameras also

:27:25. > :27:28.focus on women, abused, battered, raped or dead, but has it gone too

:27:29. > :27:33.far. I find it increasingly rare to come across a drama where there

:27:34. > :27:37.isn't a woman being terrorised at the least, having her throat cut,

:27:38. > :27:42.tied up somewhere, menaced or murdered or scared out of her wits.

:27:43. > :27:46.It seems to have become a norm, without anybody noticing really. It

:27:47. > :27:50.seems to have crept in particularly over the past, I would say two or

:27:51. > :27:56.three years, and it has become quite intense now. Happy Valley, which

:27:57. > :28:00.ended tonight has been pretty gruelling viewing at times, but six

:28:01. > :28:05.million people have tuned in and only 15 complained, its female

:28:06. > :28:09.writer defended the violence as necessary and says in the end she

:28:10. > :28:16.has created uplifting television with strong female characters at its

:28:17. > :28:27.heart. The Fall was dubbed the most repulsive drama ever shown which one

:28:28. > :28:31.writer, it was a serial killer attacking attractive young women. It

:28:32. > :28:37.is all about context, set in the 1950s Bletchley Circle saw four code

:28:38. > :28:43.breakers becoming investigators, it didn't shy away from female death,

:28:44. > :28:46.but it wasn't gratuitous, and it showed the female leads reacting to

:28:47. > :28:51.it. Why did we have to come here and see her if we couldn't help her,

:28:52. > :28:55.what was the point of it. But criticism of too much female-based

:28:56. > :28:59.violence on TV is changing behaviour. I have been developing a

:29:00. > :29:02.show where the female writer which involves murders, all of the people

:29:03. > :29:06.who are dying are men. That doesn't mean it is a better or worse show,

:29:07. > :29:10.or we don't think about violence towards men. But certainly she did

:29:11. > :29:15.say when she started to write it that she would be damned if the

:29:16. > :29:19.first person to die on the TV show would be a woman. I think it

:29:20. > :29:23.self-regulates, people are aware, it has become an issue and it will

:29:24. > :29:29.affect how violence is depicted and violence against women. That shift

:29:30. > :29:32.can't come soon enough for those who trace violence against women on

:29:33. > :29:38.television back to our love affair with Nordic noir, The Killing with

:29:39. > :29:46.frightening scenes from the start spawned too many a British crime

:29:47. > :29:52.drama with brutality at its heart. Ripper Street, set in East London

:29:53. > :29:57.six months after backthe ripper's killings was simply attacked for the

:29:58. > :30:01.period back drop and the portrayal of violence. Do charities that

:30:02. > :30:06.campaign against real world violence worry about the TV versions.

:30:07. > :30:09.Violence against women is a reality, and it is really important to

:30:10. > :30:15.recognise how much of it there is. So in one sense no I don't have

:30:16. > :30:21.concerns. What does concern me though is when TV dramas perpetuate

:30:22. > :30:25.some of the many myths that exist around violence against women.

:30:26. > :30:30.Violence of course can be used to powerful effect, in the past even

:30:31. > :30:35.Women's Aid itself hasn't shied away from pretty graphic story telling

:30:36. > :30:38.that wouldn't look out of place of a TV drama and curtesy of Keira

:30:39. > :30:45.Knightly to get the own message across. With us is Anne Cleaves

:30:46. > :30:53.whose novels have been done both for the BBC and ITV, and the crime

:30:54. > :30:56.fiction critic Jake Kerridge. Let's look at the question of the appeal

:30:57. > :31:01.to women. It is clear that very large numbers of women form the core

:31:02. > :31:04.of the audience and many of these programme, yet these programmes do

:31:05. > :31:11.feature a lot of violence against women? Not all of them do of course.

:31:12. > :31:15.I agree. What women watch crime drama for is the strands of the

:31:16. > :31:21.story, quite often it is domestic, it is about family and the clips you

:31:22. > :31:27.didn't show from Happy Valley are about a close family. Sometimes

:31:28. > :31:31.dysfuntional. I think the writing was brilliant about that, and that

:31:32. > :31:35.is why women are watching it. What is your theory? I think we have to

:31:36. > :31:39.wonder why when two-thirds of the people who read and buy crime

:31:40. > :31:43.fiction are women why these interesting and ingenious ways of

:31:44. > :31:48.slaughtering so many women are so popular, apart from some kind of

:31:49. > :31:52.prevalent misogyny among women, I don't think it can be that. And

:31:53. > :31:57.factually we know that most murders are perpetrated against men,

:31:58. > :32:03.specifically young men? It may be to do with sexual violence as well. The

:32:04. > :32:12.crime writer Val McDermott that women are incull culcated by a fear

:32:13. > :32:16.of violence that men are not, so they read something to get a thrill

:32:17. > :32:20.that preys on their very deepest fears. What do you make of that

:32:21. > :32:26.idea? I don't agree with that. I think there is a tendency to put on

:32:27. > :32:33.what you think is going to be popular. We were talking about The

:32:34. > :32:38.Killing, the start of that came from the Dragon Tattoo, where it started

:32:39. > :32:42.with quite playful, quite domestic and the violence got stronger and

:32:43. > :32:47.stronger and less appropriate, I think. And because the male central

:32:48. > :32:53.character was very sympathetic, he was a great supporter of women, some

:32:54. > :32:58.how that was fine. That made the violence against the central woman

:32:59. > :33:07.character some how all right. Is there something also in drama that

:33:08. > :33:11.has a strong female lead, some how often feels it is OK if you have

:33:12. > :33:15.that to have violence against women in the same thing too. Have you

:33:16. > :33:21.noticed that? I think that is a cop-out too. But you have noticed it

:33:22. > :33:27.I bet? I'm not sure that I have, I suppose The Killing, but I know more

:33:28. > :33:34.about crime fiction in books. Prime Suspect, The Killing, The Bridge,

:33:35. > :33:40.all these things? It is true. Go on? It is true, why do women watch it,

:33:41. > :33:44.I'm not convinced that they watch it because they like seeing women

:33:45. > :33:48.raped, tortured and mutilated. I think it is sad if that is what we

:33:49. > :33:53.think, and if that is why people watch television for those things.

:33:54. > :34:00.Do you have a further view on why it has this appeal? In the days of

:34:01. > :34:04.Agatha Christie crime writers got a lot of criticism for not taking

:34:05. > :34:12.murder seriously making it into a parlour game, when you have the

:34:13. > :34:21.books, the original Swedish title of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was

:34:22. > :34:24.first called Why do men hate women. It was prevalent amongst the

:34:25. > :34:28.establishment and in society, he thought to justify write beg it he

:34:29. > :34:33.had to write about it in some detail and he had to have rape scenes in

:34:34. > :34:36.the books. I don't think they are gratuitous, I think he sets enough

:34:37. > :34:40.details going in the readers mind that they know what is going on. He

:34:41. > :34:47.doesn't linger. The problem is when the books are adopted into films, as

:34:48. > :34:50.The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was in Swedish and American, that the

:34:51. > :34:55.viewer is just hit over the head with the rape scenes. You read a lot

:34:56. > :35:02.of this stuff, is it getting more violent? I think so. I do worry

:35:03. > :35:05.about the normalisation of sexual violence towards women and I find it

:35:06. > :35:11.very boring, because I get a flood of book which on the first page some

:35:12. > :35:16.poor woman, usually a young pretty woman has something quite nasty done

:35:17. > :35:22.to her. Do you come under pressure from publishers or television

:35:23. > :35:27.producers? Not at all. But I have too been sent books to blurb, and

:35:28. > :35:33.one sent by a publicist saying this is a really thrilling story about a

:35:34. > :35:38.serial rapist terrorising the town and leaving behind him a trail of

:35:39. > :35:44.tortured and mutilated women. We know you will love this book. No,

:35:45. > :35:49.really, I won't love this book. I worry I suppose that new writers

:35:50. > :35:54.feel that's what's going to sell. And young women writers write it too

:35:55. > :35:59.because they think that's what a best-selling crime novel is going to

:36:00. > :36:03.be like. I think we know that Hitchcock knew that people wanted to

:36:04. > :36:09.see a blonde get stabbed in the shower not a man. But at the same

:36:10. > :36:15.time when you watch the shower scene in Psycho, you don't see the knife

:36:16. > :36:20.going into the body, it is the editing and cutting, it doesn't

:36:21. > :36:26.linger on the face. Now Happy Valley, excellent series, but if you

:36:27. > :36:30.want to get value you have to see the young police woman getting run

:36:31. > :36:34.over four or five times to make an impact. You wonder how far people

:36:35. > :36:37.will be able to go in the future next time they want to make an

:36:38. > :36:40.impact. Do you not think the pendulum will swing back too, I get

:36:41. > :36:45.that feeling with fiction and novels. I think so, in your books a

:36:46. > :36:50.lot of the violence happens offstage and done very subtly. I think people

:36:51. > :36:55.will try to become more ingenious in their use of violence and they won't

:36:56. > :37:01.just have all guts strewn everywhere. I think the lovely crime

:37:02. > :37:05.writer Bob Barnard said more than one murder in a novel was rather

:37:06. > :37:12.vulgar. At the time trees, the -- Tetris,

:37:13. > :37:16.the game familiar to everyone under the age of 60, if you are over 60,

:37:17. > :37:21.you might learn something. It is a game developed in Russia and

:37:22. > :37:25.celebrating its 30th anniversary this week. That is the equivalent of

:37:26. > :37:30.two entire geological eras in the world of computing. Yet the game is

:37:31. > :37:35.still available and hugely popular on mobile phones and other devices.

:37:36. > :37:41.Even David Grossman hasn't been cool that long, he hasn't been off his

:37:42. > :37:54.chopper bike that long. He has this report. It has been rep Tate cathed

:37:55. > :37:58.on keyboards. On guitars. -- replicated on key boards, and

:37:59. > :38:06.whatever this is. But the original eight bit Tetris version is the

:38:07. > :38:11.Madingley catchy -- Madingley catchy like the game. I have been playing

:38:12. > :38:18.for 25 years and I love it still, I feel really relaxed when I play it.

:38:19. > :38:23.I'm passionate about it, it is a fantastic experience for me. So much

:38:24. > :38:27.has changed since this game was brought out, not just the computer

:38:28. > :38:31.graphics or the hardware, geopolitics too. Back then Russia

:38:32. > :38:40.was considered a dangerous and expipingsist state. Oh, hang on...

:38:41. > :38:46.The game was invented in the secret computer labs in the Moscow academy

:38:47. > :38:51.of science, an adaptation of an old Russian shape puzzle. I played a lot

:38:52. > :38:58.with this strange proto-type, and I can stop it myself and other people

:38:59. > :39:04.in my room were asking what are you doing here. And then I let people

:39:05. > :39:09.play and I realised it is not myself who is cuckoo and has something

:39:10. > :39:16.wrong in the brain, because everybody who touched this game

:39:17. > :39:21.couldn't stop playing either. Tetris spread via pirated floppies reaching

:39:22. > :39:24.the US. Everyone who played it realised this was something

:39:25. > :39:29.different, up until then video games were a scripted progression through

:39:30. > :39:34.a fine night number of -- finite number of levels, and boring. Tetris

:39:35. > :39:39.was different from the start because every time you played it was more

:39:40. > :39:44.difficult, it was different and it was impossible to win. That is

:39:45. > :39:49.probably the reason why Tetris has this enduring appeal. It is because

:39:50. > :39:56.however hard you try you can't win. In the late 80s the superpowers of

:39:57. > :40:02.the gaming world started a Cold War-style battle for the rights to

:40:03. > :40:08.Tetris. They descended on Moscow, Atari versus Nintendo. Nintendo made

:40:09. > :40:14.a video of the trip to Moscow in search of the elusive rights. Take a

:40:15. > :40:21.look outside, this is Moscow. Watching a video of Hawaii, because

:40:22. > :40:25.the TV doesn't work. The radio doesn't work. I have read everything

:40:26. > :40:30.I could read. He was negotiating with the Soviet Ministry of

:40:31. > :40:34.Software, who, he says, were pretty much clueless, he walked away with

:40:35. > :40:38.the hand held and console rights. To them it was more money than they had

:40:39. > :40:44.ever seen. For me it was more money than I had ever seen, we were happy

:40:45. > :40:51.campers. Could you put a figure on how much it was worth to you? At the

:40:52. > :40:56.end of the day, gosh, I would have to calculate, 35 million copies, it

:40:57. > :41:03.would have been multiple millions of dollars. And the game still appeals,

:41:04. > :41:07.now shrink wrapped in the smooth cellophane of nostalgia. There is

:41:08. > :41:12.demand for the original versions on the originalens machines. It is the

:41:13. > :41:17.impolicity, that modern games are very absorbing and time-consuming,

:41:18. > :41:23.but something like Tetris you can pick up and play for ten minutes or

:41:24. > :41:28.hours, it is an addictive game. In Tetris the World Service you up all

:41:29. > :41:33.this random chaos and it is your job to put it in order and make sense of

:41:34. > :41:40.it and make it neat. But time, there isn't enough time. Your successes

:41:41. > :41:47.are brief, they soon disappear, all that's left is a big pile of failure

:41:48. > :41:56.of dashed intentions of incomplete dreams until... You die. The Tetris

:41:57. > :42:01.world is pretty bleak. There are 337 days left to the date

:42:02. > :42:06.of the next election. Tomorrow we shall discover what the Government

:42:07. > :42:09.plans to spend them doing. Famously much of the time with Government is

:42:10. > :42:12.spent dealing with events they didn't foresee but the Queen's

:42:13. > :42:16.Speech to parliament tomorrow will tell us what the coalition

:42:17. > :42:20.Government would like to be doing with whatever time they have left in

:42:21. > :42:26.Government. The newspapers have had plenty of suggestions, some of them

:42:27. > :42:29.dressed up as impecably authoritative leaks. We have some

:42:30. > :42:33.ideas about what might really happen. What will happen? The first

:42:34. > :42:42.thing is it will be short, ten minutes, it will alling over by 11.

:42:43. > :42:46.45, as one observer put it unless Her Majesty does a Jean Carlos on us

:42:47. > :42:50.it will be forgotten by six. It is 11 bills, technical ways of

:42:51. > :42:54.implementing what we have heard. The pensions reform, we have heard a lot

:42:55. > :43:00.about the Dutch-style collective and the fund for that. We know there

:43:01. > :43:03.will be help for landlords, that rather excruciating scene between

:43:04. > :43:10.Clegg and Cable today setting out that. We know there will be an end

:43:11. > :43:16.to resolving day pay-offs, where senior civil servants get a

:43:17. > :43:20.redundancy pay off and come back in. And companies won't be allowed to

:43:21. > :43:24.drill without asking owners' permission, this is the fracking

:43:25. > :43:27.stuff. In terms of the mood it is difficult to set out all the

:43:28. > :43:31.legislation so quickly after what you call mid-terms, the European

:43:32. > :43:38.elections and the local elections, my reading of this is there will not

:43:39. > :43:44.be a lot of red meat thrown to the Tory backbenchers, there won't be an

:43:45. > :43:47.EU referendum bill or big moves on immigration curbs, or an Immigration

:43:48. > :43:51.Bill, and perhaps a way of saying the Government is confident with the

:43:52. > :43:56.results they have just seen. Is there likely to be anything really

:43:57. > :44:00.contentious? The most controversial thing is the recall bill, a measure

:44:01. > :44:04.by which constituents have the power to throw out their MP if there has

:44:05. > :44:12.been serious wrongdoing. Now there was a lot of toing and freeing on

:44:13. > :44:17.this, after the expenses scandal people wanted to put this mechanism

:44:18. > :44:21.in. People got cold feet in the first draft the Government thought

:44:22. > :44:26.they would end up with a lot of Newarks on their hands, they tried

:44:27. > :44:31.to remove it, now it is back in and in, in a very loose woolly way, the

:44:32. > :44:36.wording will be "my Government is committed to continue the programme

:44:37. > :44:40.of reform with legislation for the recall of MPs... " there are many

:44:41. > :44:45.who fear the bill in the current form won't have any teeth. I know

:44:46. > :44:49.Zach Goldsmith behind this from the start will be looking very closely

:44:50. > :44:55.at what is said and what is not said about recall. If all that ends up

:44:56. > :44:58.being is a system whereby it goes to another part of parliament, the

:44:59. > :45:02.Standards Committee for example, to decide on when there should be a

:45:03. > :45:06.by-election or when somebody should be removed from office then he will

:45:07. > :45:10.table an early day motion and take it to the Labour benches and say we

:45:11. > :45:14.need help because the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have failed to

:45:15. > :45:16.get it through. Thank you. Tomorrow morning's front pages or some of

:45:17. > :46:01.them: That's it for today. We say good

:46:02. > :46:07.night with pictures from a town in Argentina that was flooded beneath

:46:08. > :46:16.10ms of salt warter in 1985 but then reappeared 25 years later. The

:46:17. > :46:32.director has made a film about Danny McAskall's cycle through the ruinsa

:46:33. > :46:59.film about Danny McAskall's cycle through the ruins.

:47:00. > :47:08.Good evening, warm and humid weather heading our way for the end of the

:47:09. > :47:13.week, breaking down into thundery showers. No warmth around, spreading

:47:14. > :47:17.into central and eastern Scotland through the afternoon. But Northern

:47:18. > :47:21.Ireland is escaping most of the rain, largely dry here. The western

:47:22. > :47:24.fringes of Scotland doing OK, but central and eastern Scotland, the

:47:25. > :47:28.rain sets in through the afternoon. Here temperatures of only 12 degrees

:47:29. > :47:31.moving down into northern England through the Midlands and the

:47:32. > :47:34.persistence of the rain means the temperatures could struggle in

:47:35. > :47:38.Birmingham and Oxford to get any higher than 11 degrees. That will

:47:39. > :47:42.feel like we have slipped back a couple of months. The rain on and

:47:43. > :47:45.off for much of the day here. Heading further west Devon and

:47:46. > :47:48.Cornwall getting dryer and brighter through the afternoon. I think

:47:49. > :47:51.across western parts of Wales the rain will begin to ease off, perhaps

:47:52. > :47:53.some