:00:00. > :00:12.Lest we forget, 70 years on, speeches, song and silent tears. The
:00:13. > :00:16.veterans of the day that changed the course of the Second World War
:00:17. > :00:24.gather. But how does the act of rembering shape new memories. A lot
:00:25. > :00:29.of them people talking to children about the war, are they doing a good
:00:30. > :00:33.thing or not? Because you are encouraging people to join. We talk
:00:34. > :00:38.to the former head of the British Army about what today means to him.
:00:39. > :00:43.Is the world's biggest book-seller just an internet monster on a
:00:44. > :00:47.mission to destroy? They decided they wanted an extra 5% this year,
:00:48. > :00:51.next year they could decide they want another 5%, the next year
:00:52. > :00:55.another 5% and as far as I can see that is exactly what they intend to
:00:56. > :01:10.do until they destroy the existing publishing industry. And are you
:01:11. > :01:14.quite ready for this? I'm in the Serpentine gallery, this is my
:01:15. > :01:26.house, I'm doing 512 hours interaction with the public and I'm
:01:27. > :01:32.on Newsnight. Only the hardest of hearts could fail to have been moved
:01:33. > :01:37.by the sight of 2,000 veterans, their jackets weighed down with
:01:38. > :01:42.medals, revisiting the beaches of Normandy, where seven decades ago,
:01:43. > :01:47.as young men, even teenagers, they landed. Uncertain of what would
:01:48. > :01:51.greet them. The commemorations were crammed with military top brass,
:01:52. > :01:57.royals and world leaders too. Even as they remembered that great and
:01:58. > :02:00.terrible day there were diplomatic manoeuvrings in the margins over
:02:01. > :02:06.current European tensions surrounding Ukraine. Our diplomatic
:02:07. > :02:11.editor has been assessing the day's events and the changing meaning of
:02:12. > :02:15.these D-Day observances. It was the most ambitious and daring
:02:16. > :02:22.operation in military history, little wonder that its commemoration
:02:23. > :02:26.should also be on a grand scale. TRANSLATION: What did these young
:02:27. > :02:31.men have in mind? The French President, host and ring master,
:02:32. > :02:37.said his country would never forget its liberators. In speeches at
:02:38. > :02:40.events across Normandy, the key leaders emphasised freedom and
:02:41. > :02:45.democracy, and kept veterans to the fore. The US, British and French
:02:46. > :02:49.demonstrated the closeness of their alliance, but the Russian President
:02:50. > :02:54.sometimes looked a lonely figure, invited here because of Russia's
:02:55. > :02:58.enormous war time sacrifice, but deemed by the others to have
:02:59. > :03:02.infringed the rules of modern diplomatic behaviour. Mr Putin took
:03:03. > :03:06.the chance to meet his Ukrainian counterpart, even to exchange words
:03:07. > :03:18.with Barack Obama, trying to mend fences, and when peace was uppermost
:03:19. > :03:24.in everyone's minds. For all today's polished political messages, never
:03:25. > :03:33.forget that this was total war at horrendous human cost. Stiffening of
:03:34. > :03:37.resistance was to be expected. A man with his face bashed joins his
:03:38. > :03:42.fellow prisoners. Today the relationship with Germany is managed
:03:43. > :03:49.with the utmost care. The British this week have added memorials at
:03:50. > :03:53.what's called the Peace Garden on the outskirts of Caen, a city the
:03:54. > :03:59.Allies devastated while capturing it. Each British division was
:04:00. > :04:03.commemorated with a blood-red rose. Sitting beside the French
:04:04. > :04:12.dignitaries the Mayor of A German city. Now the reactions are very
:04:13. > :04:15.positive, more interested than negative, we have the same view back
:04:16. > :04:20.to history and we have the same looking forward for the future and
:04:21. > :04:27.that's a very interesting thing between the youth in Europe and I'm
:04:28. > :04:33.very greatful for the veterans, what they did to enable us to live in
:04:34. > :04:40.this Europe we live in today. So how is this cermonial conceived when
:04:41. > :04:48.Germany is today an ally and the Governments concerned want to avoid
:04:49. > :04:52.any allegation of war. Words like "victory" and "enemy" are difficult,
:04:53. > :04:56.because we are serving with the Germans. The victory was democracy,
:04:57. > :04:59.the defeat was the defeat of tyranny, I don't think we need to
:05:00. > :05:03.talk about the Allies and the Germans, we know that the Germans
:05:04. > :05:06.now are very different people and that the Germans feel that we
:05:07. > :05:09.liberated Europe. So I think that's really what we are here to
:05:10. > :05:19.celebrate. The victory of democracy and freedom. And if few want to harp
:05:20. > :05:23.on about old empties, how about the state of the -- emanyoneties, how
:05:24. > :05:27.about the state of peacetime alliance, lately troubled between
:05:28. > :05:35.Russia, America and Britain. These events have brought together many
:05:36. > :05:41.nations, at Pegasus Bridge they commemorated the launch of D-Day.
:05:42. > :05:46.And then, suddenly, amid the festive crowd a Russian patriotic song and
:05:47. > :05:50.dance combo appeared. I asked the Colonel in charge whether today's
:05:51. > :05:56.political tensions might have marred their reception. No, no.
:05:57. > :06:01.TRANSLATION: We have been made very welcome. We're so happy to be here.
:06:02. > :06:06.To commemorate an event of such global importance with the local
:06:07. > :06:11.people and the English and American participants. Nearby were two
:06:12. > :06:17.Dutchmen dressed as war time American paratroopers. They weren't
:06:18. > :06:23.pleased to see Russians. They are taking parts of land which aren't
:06:24. > :06:29.belonging to them. That is one of the reasons why this Second World
:06:30. > :06:34.War started and it is something we have to keep an eye on. I don't
:06:35. > :06:38.think I want things to escalate over there. We are rembering the peace
:06:39. > :06:46.that the British and American troops brought us. Starting a new war in
:06:47. > :06:52.the east of Europe is not something we are wanting. The commemorations
:06:53. > :06:56.have seen literally thousands of re-enactors and military vehicle
:06:57. > :07:00.enthusiasts descend on Normandy, among hundreds of thousands of
:07:01. > :07:06.sightseers. They come from all over Europe with a mixture of motives,
:07:07. > :07:11.from the noble to those posing, profiteering, or simply having a
:07:12. > :07:16.good time. The bitter fighting to break out of the Normandy beachhead
:07:17. > :07:22.lasted three months, and chewed through entire battalions and
:07:23. > :07:26.villages. Fintan was one of those who did much but talks little. He
:07:27. > :07:32.was here for the unveiling of a statue of his old CO. He's not sure
:07:33. > :07:40.about these events, lest they give young men dreams of glory. They have
:07:41. > :07:52.tried to keep the thoughts of the war to myself. When I say, when I
:07:53. > :07:56.see a lot of people talking to children about the war, are they
:07:57. > :08:05.doing a good thing or not? Because you are encouraging people to join.
:08:06. > :08:14.I know they are only adventurers and they like adventure, but should we
:08:15. > :08:20.not be teaching children more education about, there is lots of
:08:21. > :08:26.things out there to do. There is one more version of D-Day too, that of
:08:27. > :08:30.the French communities that still feel an enormous sense of gratitude
:08:31. > :08:35.to their liberators. Tonight we joined a twilight ceremony in the
:08:36. > :08:42.village here. Taken by the British 70 years ago today. These
:08:43. > :08:47.commemorations are changing as the last veterans pass, so the
:08:48. > :08:51.first-hand voice of experience fades with them and other narratives and
:08:52. > :08:56.other versions of what D-Day was about will come to predominate. The
:08:57. > :09:03.children here will at least be able to say that they met some of those
:09:04. > :09:08.who wrote this page of history. General Sir Mike Jackson the former
:09:09. > :09:13.head of the British Army is here. As we saw in the film there are all
:09:14. > :09:17.sorts of interested partns trying to draw their own lessons from today,
:09:18. > :09:28.what should we take from it? I will start with a personal reflection, my
:09:29. > :09:36.fatherlanded on Gold Beach in the military speak at H+ two, when the
:09:37. > :09:41.amphibious operation started. He survived but his immediate commander
:09:42. > :09:52.was killed, he had to take over. I think of my father. The much wider
:09:53. > :09:56.issue though, I'm struck, yet again by the scale, the complexity and the
:09:57. > :10:01.stakes. My goodness the stakes were so high. Had overlord failed and
:10:02. > :10:07.D-Day failed, it is almost unthinkable how events would have
:10:08. > :10:18.turned out. Thank the Lord it did not. It was momentous. It did
:10:19. > :10:22.change, the whole of the western war against Nazism, we should not forget
:10:23. > :10:27.the Titanic struggle on the eastern front as well, also taking place at
:10:28. > :10:33.this time. And there is, as we saw today, almost sort of a neverending
:10:34. > :10:37.pot of goodwill for that generation. Do you think that applies still to
:10:38. > :10:45.our attitude towards the Armed Forces in this country? Well, I
:10:46. > :10:54.believe it does. I think anybody serving, or indeed my case retired,
:10:55. > :10:57.has been hugely encouraged by the obvious warmth of the standing which
:10:58. > :11:02.we are held, the Armed Forces are held by the public. Despite the fact
:11:03. > :11:05.there have been wars that have been much more controversial and
:11:06. > :11:10.unpopular wars? I think the British public are perfectly able to
:11:11. > :11:16.distinguish between a Government decision made on political grounds
:11:17. > :11:19.and those whose duty it is, constitutional duty it is to
:11:20. > :11:23.implement them. They can make that difference. Do you think with these
:11:24. > :11:28.events of today in mind, do you think we now take peace in Europe
:11:29. > :11:32.for granted. We saw there on the sidelines Putin and Obama having a
:11:33. > :11:39.small private conversation, do you worry that we take for granted this?
:11:40. > :11:44.I hope we don't, I was much moved listening to one of the veterans
:11:45. > :11:52.earlier on tod was saying we don't want to go through this again. And
:11:53. > :12:01.certainly we do not. And so in a way not only did D-Day begin, the end of
:12:02. > :12:06.the war in the west and in Europe, but it shaped Europe afterwards. And
:12:07. > :12:10.Europe's shape does now potentially seem to be evolving again today. Are
:12:11. > :12:13.you concerned by some of the moves we have seen in recent months,
:12:14. > :12:18.particularly the situation in Ukraine and what's happening there.
:12:19. > :12:24.Crimea splitting away, Putin flexing his muscles all over the place?
:12:25. > :12:27.There was some interesting vignettes were there not of conversations
:12:28. > :12:35.between this and that leader. Does that worry you? Yes, we have
:12:36. > :12:44.instability in that very far south eastern corner of Europe. I'm not
:12:45. > :12:49.entirely inexperienced in the Balkan region. Yeah, there is still, I'm
:12:50. > :12:55.afraid dust yet to settle after the end of the Cold War. Do you feel,
:12:56. > :13:00.briefly, that if there were to be such a challenge again that current
:13:01. > :13:04.generations would be able to achieve what those remembered today have
:13:05. > :13:07.achieved. There has been a lot of speculation that generations now
:13:08. > :13:10.nobody would ever be able to be willing to give that sort of
:13:11. > :13:15.sacrifice? I'm not sure about that at all. The British Armed Forces
:13:16. > :13:20.have been pretty hard at work over the last two decades, two-and-a-half
:13:21. > :13:24.since the end of the Cold War. I for one have not found today's
:13:25. > :13:29.generation who decide to become soldiers or sailors or whatever
:13:30. > :13:33.lacking in any way at all. On the contrary. Was it at that point a
:13:34. > :13:36.conscription army, something extremely difficult. Do you think
:13:37. > :13:39.ever again we would see something of that scale where that national
:13:40. > :13:43.sacrifice would be required? I hope not, you are asking me to call the
:13:44. > :13:48.future and that I cannot do. I don't know if anybody else can, but I'm
:13:49. > :13:59.not claiming to do that, let us hope not. But I also feel that if in
:14:00. > :14:03.extreme situations that if the country had to be mobilised in that
:14:04. > :14:08.way we wouldn't be found wanting. Thank you for your reflections on an
:14:09. > :14:24.extraordinary day. Coming up, Katie Razzle gets into a stair-off with
:14:25. > :14:28.the artist Marina Abramovich. It is not easy. Now all this week the Home
:14:29. > :14:33.Secretary and the Education Secretary have been throwing tops
:14:34. > :14:37.over their joint handling or mishandling of accusations of Muslim
:14:38. > :14:41.extremism in some schools in Birmingham. Next week there could be
:14:42. > :14:46.a bit more clarity, maybe, Chris Cook is here, what can we expect?
:14:47. > :14:49.Next Monday we are expecting 21 Ofsted reports into schools in
:14:50. > :14:53.Birmingham. That is a lot for one day. We expect half-a-dozen
:14:54. > :14:57.recommend schools get put into what they call "special measures", that
:14:58. > :15:00.means the heads will get fired and probably a lot of the governors. The
:15:01. > :15:03.reason for that is they found in most of those schools, not all of
:15:04. > :15:08.them, but most of them, that those schools had become places that might
:15:09. > :15:11.become conducive to Islamic extremism. If it is only
:15:12. > :15:14.half-a-dozen schools, serious as it is for them, if it is only
:15:15. > :15:17.half-a-dozen why does it really matter for the rest of the country?
:15:18. > :15:22.Next week it will turn the corner from being a local story to national
:15:23. > :15:25.one, that is because a number of these schools were converter
:15:26. > :15:30.academies, taking part in Michael Gove's flagship policy. The idea was
:15:31. > :15:32.schools got a lot more freedom, less regulation, less supervision, they
:15:33. > :15:37.were supposed to use that to innovate and compete with one
:15:38. > :15:39.another, the idea was competition and innovation would drive up
:15:40. > :15:44.standards. The freedom to innovate is also the freedom to make
:15:45. > :15:48.mistakes. The Labour Party and oddly Theresa May this week, both think
:15:49. > :15:52.that Michael Gove may have drawn the line in the wrong place and perhaps
:15:53. > :15:56.there is too much freedom and not enough of a rigid structure. This
:15:57. > :16:00.will be a tough thing for Michael Gove to defend. And next week we are
:16:01. > :16:04.expecting a reshuffle, it will be pretty high stakes. Some speculation
:16:05. > :16:09.tonight that he might have to look for a different job. Yes. Publishing
:16:10. > :16:12.is dead! Hardly the most original cry of the doom-monger, we have
:16:13. > :16:17.heard it often enough. But the massive force of Amazon, appears to
:16:18. > :16:21.be employed in a new and perhaps more brutal axe particular against
:16:22. > :16:25.the traditional publisher, but making it trickier for customers to
:16:26. > :16:39.get hold of shipments of books from a company that Amazon is in dispute
:16:40. > :16:43.with, is it for real this time? So many of the bookshops lining
:16:44. > :16:50.charring crossroad have gone. Even Britain's most famous bookshop
:16:51. > :16:54.Foyles shut its doors on Monday, the shelves empty and the last books
:16:55. > :16:59.packed away. For Foyles this isn't the final chapter but the start of a
:17:00. > :17:03.new one, moving a few doors down to a new store. This is a multimillion
:17:04. > :17:09.pound gamble that despite what some predict, the physical book sold in
:17:10. > :17:16.high street stores has, not just a past, but a future. For Foyles this
:17:17. > :17:20.is about coexisting with Amazon, not competing. Doing it on the computer
:17:21. > :17:23.is fine, it is convenient, it is a transaction, if you move it a shop
:17:24. > :17:30.and it is done correctly it is an experience. We are social animal,
:17:31. > :17:32.all the things, eye connection and physical space is very important.
:17:33. > :17:37.This is something a physical store can do really well. Not everyone is
:17:38. > :17:42.as optimistic about the future of the publishing industry. At the
:17:43. > :17:45.moment book people are gripped by an unput downable dispute between the
:17:46. > :17:51.world's biggest bookseller and one of the world's biggest publishers.
:17:52. > :17:56.It looks like an ideolgical battle between Amazon who wants to sell
:17:57. > :18:00.books at relentlessly low price, under the value the publishers
:18:01. > :18:04.produce them at and sell them at, and publishers that want a diversity
:18:05. > :18:09.of the book market and doing that through decent prices for books and
:18:10. > :18:16.they can sustain a book-selling, author-community that includes great
:18:17. > :18:22.bookshops like Foyles. That dispute is between Amazon and the Hichet
:18:23. > :18:26.book group, it is over the terms on selling e-book, without an
:18:27. > :18:31.agreement, Amazon has stopped taking preorders or keeping large stocks of
:18:32. > :18:35.Hichet's books leading to large delays for readers. One publisher
:18:36. > :18:39.who tried holding out against Amazon said they ended up giving up. I
:18:40. > :18:42.thought with a small company like mine, specialist, selling to
:18:43. > :18:49.schools, libraries, universities, that I could probably manage and
:18:50. > :18:52.that my customers would go around, go to other channels, I found my
:18:53. > :18:59.revenue had dropped enough that I felt that I had been forced to go
:19:00. > :19:04.back and accept that deal. They simply decide, they decide they want
:19:05. > :19:09.an extra 5% year, they could decide next year, they want another 5%, the
:19:10. > :19:13.next year another 5%, as far as I can see that is exactly what they
:19:14. > :19:18.intend to do until they destroy the existing publishing industry. Amazon
:19:19. > :19:21.says in a blog it is simply doing what retailers have always done.
:19:22. > :19:26.Suppliers get to decide the terms under which they are willing to sell
:19:27. > :19:31.to a retailer, resipically it is the right of a -- reciprocally it is the
:19:32. > :19:36.right of the retailer to determine whether the terms of the offer are
:19:37. > :19:40.acceptable and to stock items. Other publishers don't seem to have a
:19:41. > :19:45.problem with Amazon? We have a much better time dealing with them than
:19:46. > :19:49.anybody else. They don't send books back, or over-order, they pay within
:19:50. > :19:53.a month and they level the playing field. At the moment the battle is
:19:54. > :19:57.being fought out in the US, but make no mistake, say industry watchers,
:19:58. > :20:01.it will end up affecting British readers. We are very similar to the
:20:02. > :20:04.US market. There are countries such as France and Germany which have
:20:05. > :20:09.very different systems for selling books, they still have fixed prices
:20:10. > :20:13.and you see Amazon having less success there, because the market is
:20:14. > :20:19.so similar because publishers have a common parentage now, these things
:20:20. > :20:22.are not isolated geographically. Anyone with anything to do with
:20:23. > :20:29.publishing in the UK will be watching the new Foyles's store. The
:20:30. > :20:35.industry faces a fight to survive. In the end bookshops and publishers
:20:36. > :20:40.will only thrive if the public is willing to support them. Will with
:20:41. > :20:45.us tonight is Caroline Michelle, the chairman of literary agency PFT
:20:46. > :20:54.representing authors like Janet winterson, and Sam Jordison head of
:20:55. > :20:58.a publishing firm. Isn't anyone in publishing who doesn't buy into
:20:59. > :21:04.Amazon a bit like a farrier who is protesting about the Model T Ford? I
:21:05. > :21:08.don't think it is the issue of technology, that is the myth that is
:21:09. > :21:11.put about that people who oppose Amazon are some how opposing the
:21:12. > :21:15.technology, I'm all for the technology, what I'm against is the
:21:16. > :21:24.way they use the technology and their practices which seem to me to
:21:25. > :21:29.be monopolistic. Are they a monopoly, is it healthy to have such
:21:30. > :21:34.a dominant force in an industry? It feels as if it has been ever thus.
:21:35. > :21:38.Publishing is always fighting the growth of large retailers, sume
:21:39. > :21:44.markets at one point, the emergance of Water stilled stones and how they
:21:45. > :21:48.decided to trade. That is not a good thing? But it is always good to have
:21:49. > :21:52.traders about negotiating different terms with different retailers.
:21:53. > :21:58.Without getting into the details, the company in the US is a $10
:21:59. > :22:02.million business, and they are feeling threatened by Amazon, isn't
:22:03. > :22:06.it new? I don't think it is new, our publishers have always been fighting
:22:07. > :22:09.on terms. You have one big company fighting another big company. I
:22:10. > :22:14.think it is very different in terms of scale, and Amazon they can make
:22:15. > :22:19.books to all intents and purposes disappear now, they have so much
:22:20. > :22:23.power if you are not in Amazon you are not in the world? I don't think
:22:24. > :22:26.that is true, you say it is not about technology, it is about the
:22:27. > :22:31.fact that now books have to keep up with how people want to deliver
:22:32. > :22:35.their entertainment. We had with film and music, if you want books
:22:36. > :22:41.you have to know how and when and where you want them. What Amazon
:22:42. > :22:47.provided the first platform to deliver 82% of e-books and a vast
:22:48. > :22:50.proportion of print books, surely this is an opportunity for other
:22:51. > :22:53.retailers to do something about it. You say you don't have a problem
:22:54. > :22:57.with the technology, what would you have us do? I don't have a magic
:22:58. > :23:01.machine that can change everything around. What I would like to see is
:23:02. > :23:08.many more players in the game, I would like to see the players that
:23:09. > :23:12.aren't bullies, the tactics that Amazon use against publishers and
:23:13. > :23:17.other retailers... How would you do that? At this stage it is very hard
:23:18. > :23:22.because Amazon are so powerful, I would urge people to boycott them.
:23:23. > :23:29.You are suggesting a boycott, you had a huge success this week, one of
:23:30. > :23:34.your books, The Girl Half Formed, won the Bailey's Prize, and today
:23:35. > :23:41.you can order it on Amazon to be delivered on Monday. You can order
:23:42. > :23:45.it other place, I am using it and I have a duty to authors, removing
:23:46. > :23:48.their books from them would have damage to them. That is the power
:23:49. > :23:54.that they have. It is a good power, that book is number four of all
:23:55. > :23:58.books on Stamm son, on the best seller list, that is fantastic for
:23:59. > :24:01.an author on a first novel. OK I don't particularly want to talk
:24:02. > :24:04.about one book. But a book that sells in different places where it
:24:05. > :24:09.is getting better margins that is a better thing. When a book sells on
:24:10. > :24:14.Amazon the author and publisher get less money? It depends, because it
:24:15. > :24:17.has provided a place where writers can make money as writers for the
:24:18. > :24:21.first time, it is a beginning. We are in a big transition for all of
:24:22. > :24:26.us. Briefly as an agent you are the go-between here between authors and
:24:27. > :24:32.publishers, there must be people like Sam, often afraid to speak up,
:24:33. > :24:37.who feel squeezed, who feel maybe bullied to use your word, is that
:24:38. > :24:42.not happening? I think, my job is to get the writer to the reader, the
:24:43. > :24:47.fastest, the best, the most profitable for the writer in a way
:24:48. > :24:52.possible. It has opened it up and made it a level playing field,
:24:53. > :24:56.whether a self-published, small publisher, major publish e you can
:24:57. > :25:01.get out and earn money. I will leave this for you two to thrash out, you
:25:02. > :25:06.will never agree, thank you very much indeed. There aren't many
:25:07. > :25:11.artists prepared to die for their trade. Marina Abramovich is one of
:25:12. > :25:18.them. She has been striped, burnt and stabbed in the same of art. At
:25:19. > :25:22.one point invited audience members to point a loaded gun at her head.
:25:23. > :25:30.She's only one of two artists to make it on to Time Magazine's 100
:25:31. > :25:47.influential artist in the world. Her new exhibition is about to open in
:25:48. > :25:52.London. We went to meet her. Waiting to meet Marina Abramovich is
:25:53. > :25:57.a nerve racking business, what do you expect from a performance artist
:25:58. > :26:07.who has always brought the unexpected. Her last show had people
:26:08. > :26:14.crying just looking at her. In the end I didn't cry, our face-off took
:26:15. > :26:17.place at the Serpentine Gallery in London, where Marina Abramovich will
:26:18. > :26:22.spend most of the next three months. It is not easy. I'm removing even
:26:23. > :26:27.these two chairs, there will be nothing, absolutely nothing. And
:26:28. > :26:31.what will happen? I don't know, that is why I'm in such a panic. I just
:26:32. > :26:36.want to see what we can do with pure energy, what we can do from the
:26:37. > :26:42.personal contact. Will you be talking? Maybe silence but maybe
:26:43. > :26:51.talking later, or maybe we all talk, maybe we cream or lie on the floor.
:26:52. > :26:55.It is so important to see how we can actually create that create that
:26:56. > :26:59.sense of here and now, that is all. Being in the present, the here and
:27:00. > :27:04.now is where Abramovich wants her audiences, she got America excited
:27:05. > :27:06.when she performed there four years ago.
:27:07. > :27:11.50,000 people queued and queued for a chance to sit opposite the silent
:27:12. > :27:16.staring artist for as long or short a time as they wanted. New York is a
:27:17. > :27:22.pretty lonely place and lots of pain, that's something like an
:27:23. > :27:25.eruption from the inside outside. That was the incredible reaction. I
:27:26. > :27:29.didn't expect it. How do you think the Brits will feel about it? I
:27:30. > :27:35.worry about the British, they are sarcastic and make money of
:27:36. > :27:39.everything. It is like I don't know maybe the drink, I'm worried about
:27:40. > :27:43.the Friday and Saturdays, this work in a way you have to open yourself
:27:44. > :27:47.to have experiences, in order to experience you have to be
:27:48. > :27:53.vulnerable. The British don't like easily to show their vulnerability.
:27:54. > :28:01.Not many 67-year-olds would be dancing with Jay-Z, but celebrity
:28:02. > :28:05.America fetes Abramovich. Lady Gaga is her protege. Here they are
:28:06. > :28:10.practising the called Abramovich method, explained as exercises to
:28:11. > :28:14.heighten awareness in the moment. Suspect? A bit Emperor's new
:28:15. > :28:18.clothes, there are plenty who think that. Often it was no clothes, for
:28:19. > :28:22.an artist who has remained true to performance for more than four
:28:23. > :28:30.decades. For her it is other parts of the art world that are dubious.
:28:31. > :28:34.When Francis bacon picture sold for $140 million, it is incredible, how
:28:35. > :28:38.you could possibly ever see this painting without seeing money in the
:28:39. > :28:43.front. You know, the essence of painting is lost. I wanted to take
:28:44. > :28:49.everything away, I want to see, I want to bring back to the pureness
:28:50. > :28:53.of art which is about energy. It could never be said that Abramovich
:28:54. > :28:58.hasn't suffered in her quest to share that energy. In a show in the
:28:59. > :29:03.1970s she placed 72 items on a table, from feathers and roses to a
:29:04. > :29:08.loaded gun, for six hours audiences could use anything against her
:29:09. > :29:11.passive body. I didn't feel any control. I was just an object for
:29:12. > :29:16.them. And that was frightening because I understood the public can
:29:17. > :29:20.kill you. But in this other case. Did anyone pick up the gun? They
:29:21. > :29:25.picked it up and put it in my hand. They tried to see if I was ready to
:29:26. > :29:31.pull the trigger myself and pushing it in my hand. And I started to do
:29:32. > :29:35.it, and someone else freaked out and took the gun, they started fighting.
:29:36. > :29:39.It was a very strong experience that actually when you completely become
:29:40. > :29:44.an object what can happen to you. Does she get a thrill from pain or
:29:45. > :29:49.is it something else? We just don't want pain in our life. But we are
:29:50. > :29:54.afraid of these things, afraid of dying and pain. I go through this
:29:55. > :29:58.pain for experience, and I push limits, physical and mental on my
:29:59. > :30:02.body, as far as I can. If I can do this and liberate myself from the
:30:03. > :30:07.fear of the pain, they can do that themselves in their own life. Now
:30:08. > :30:11.came the test, a preview of how her interaction with audiences will
:30:12. > :30:16.begin when the show opens. Remember Abramovich is one of two artists on
:30:17. > :30:24.Time Magazine's 100 most influential people, so she's doing something
:30:25. > :30:29.right. I will hold your hand, we will find this really great spot and
:30:30. > :30:33.I try to give all my energy. Cynical Brits may mock, but performance art
:30:34. > :30:41.is about experience, perhaps none of us can judge this unless we see it
:30:42. > :30:45.for ourselves. That's it kids. As the longest day draws to a close, we
:30:46. > :30:53.leave you tonight with images from 70 years ago, and today. Accompanied
:30:54. > :30:58.by what else, Dame Vera Lynn's war time classic, We'll Meet Again, not
:30:59. > :31:03.just any recording, her original from 1939. A very good night.
:31:04. > :31:10.We'll meet again # Don't know where
:31:11. > :31:20.# Don't know when # But I know we'll meet again
:31:21. > :31:26.# Some sunny day # Keep smiling through
:31:27. > :31:31.# Just like you # Always do
:31:32. > :31:39.# Till the blue skies # Chase those dark clouds
:31:40. > :31:44.# Far away