:00:10. > :00:16.who have signed up for Jihad, ISIS recruits via video and calls on
:00:17. > :00:19.western Muslims to fight and die. This is a message to the brothers
:00:20. > :00:24.who stay behind. You need to ask yourselves what sprints you from
:00:25. > :00:31.coming to the land of Israel, and joining the ranks of the mujahideen.
:00:32. > :00:35.The father of one young man that appears says he doesn't recognise
:00:36. > :00:39.his son. I don't think it is him talking somebody else is teaching
:00:40. > :00:45.him to talk like this. The attitude is 100% different. Also tonight: I
:00:46. > :00:49.have suspended your claim because there is a change in your income,
:00:50. > :00:56.hand on heart, don't worry about it. Benefit reform has been labelled a
:00:57. > :01:01.fiasco. Has the attack on dependency culture blown up in the Government's
:01:02. > :01:07.face. And dishing the dirt on the man who ruled rub bah which what
:01:08. > :01:11.seemed to be exemplary zeal. The Government was grieving on drug
:01:12. > :01:23.trafficking deals, that is when he stopped being my idol. Give up the
:01:24. > :01:27.fat job and the big car all you brothers in the west, the cure for
:01:28. > :01:33.depression is Jihad. The message of the ISIS video chilling, it could
:01:34. > :01:35.have provided the inspiration for the movie Four Lion, young men from
:01:36. > :01:38.Britain and the United States the movie Four Lion, young men from
:01:39. > :01:42.elsewhere sitting on the ground with weapons trying to recruit westerners
:01:43. > :01:45.to the brutal tort group destroying Iraq.
:01:46. > :01:46.to the brutal tort group destroying to remove the video from
:01:47. > :01:51.to the brutal tort group destroying which has yet to be verified. Let's
:01:52. > :01:57.take a look. You who believe, answer the all of Allah and his messenger
:01:58. > :02:02.when he calls you to what gives you life. It says what gives you life is
:02:03. > :02:06.Jihad. That was a taste of that video. Richard Watson is here, what
:02:07. > :02:10.do we know of the men involved? It is a group of six men in the video.
:02:11. > :02:17.One Australian, who we appear to, who appears to be dead now, because
:02:18. > :02:21.it his Shadrdra on the video. Crucially there are three British
:02:22. > :02:28.men on the video speaking with clear British accents. One has that been
:02:29. > :02:31.named as Nassa Matana, he's a 20-year-old medical student, no
:02:32. > :02:34.question that he's from a relatively privileged background or at least he
:02:35. > :02:40.had opportunities. It is true to say in the late 1990s and early 20000s
:02:41. > :02:45.many who embraced Jihad could have been said to have had disadvantaged
:02:46. > :02:50.lives, not this young man it seems. His father spoke tonight, we will
:02:51. > :02:58.hear a club. He has gone without telling me he is going, disappeared.
:02:59. > :03:03.When I saw it on the television I was thinking what is he doing there?
:03:04. > :03:08.Disbelief on the part of the father there. Do we know how many young men
:03:09. > :03:11.have gone? Well that has been changing over the last 12 months.
:03:12. > :03:16.When I first started investigating this a year ago the figure was in
:03:17. > :03:21.the low hundreds. Recently it went up to 400, now security sources are
:03:22. > :03:25.saying that it is more than 400, perhaps. Getting towards the 500
:03:26. > :03:29.figure, although I understand it is still lower than 500. But it is
:03:30. > :03:33.important to say though that half of those people, minus the people who
:03:34. > :03:39.have been killed in Syria, have come back to the UK. So we could be
:03:40. > :03:44.talking about 200 people who have been in Syria and now back in the
:03:45. > :03:47.UK. Is this an important part of what ISIS are doing, does this
:03:48. > :03:53.factor into the prosession they are making? Obviously ISIS has had a
:03:54. > :04:01.huge propaganda coup in recent days in Iraq. Expanding into Iraq. There
:04:02. > :04:05.is some question though whether they are redeploying from Syria. Security
:04:06. > :04:09.forces are telling us there is no evidence so far they are redeploying
:04:10. > :04:12.from Syria to Iraq. It must be remembered that ISIS was active in
:04:13. > :04:16.Iraq for quite a few months. So there is no evidence at the moment
:04:17. > :04:21.they are moving from Syria to Iraq. But of course that is the
:04:22. > :04:26.aspiration, the clue is in the title "Islamic state of Iraq and AlSham"
:04:27. > :04:30.clearly that is the aspiration. As we have seen the wars are being
:04:31. > :04:37.fought virally as much as on the ground. In ten days of sectarian
:04:38. > :04:43.violence in Iraq, one image has provided users of Facebook with a
:04:44. > :04:50.more positive outlook. It is a Sunni mum and Shia dad and a young girl
:04:51. > :04:55.shoaleding up the card saying "I am sushi", the image is neat but the
:04:56. > :04:59.background is chaos. Is Iraq on an irreversible journey towards
:05:00. > :05:04.separation or can it be pulled back from the brink. My guest joins me
:05:05. > :05:10.now. It is a very positive image when you see the family united, but
:05:11. > :05:14.the bitter truth is this sectarianism is creating bloodshed?
:05:15. > :05:17.This image is so important and resonated with so many people. It
:05:18. > :05:21.shows there is another side of Iraq. I think people forget that even
:05:22. > :05:24.until now there are lots of families that actually consist of
:05:25. > :05:29.intermarriages, and this has been going on for decades. You know going
:05:30. > :05:35.back my grandmother was Sunni, my grandfather was Shia, and in the
:05:36. > :05:38.past it was very common actually for urban, middle-class bagdaddies or
:05:39. > :05:44.other urban Iraqis to be in mixed marriages. When my father grew up in
:05:45. > :05:50.Iraq he didn't even know whether his neighbours or brands from Sunni or
:05:51. > :05:55.Shia. This has changed, what we are often forgetting in the west is
:05:56. > :05:58.there is still a sense of Iraqi-ness and Iraqi national identity. This
:05:59. > :06:01.picture, I'm not sure it is even an Iraqi family. When I saw it I
:06:02. > :06:06.thought it might not be an Iraqi family. But it doesn't marks it is
:06:07. > :06:10.the idea that counts. It is very interesting, you keep returning to
:06:11. > :06:14.this phrase "the idea that counts", but is there still an Iraqi-ness,
:06:15. > :06:20.what happens at the moment when you see the division that is happening
:06:21. > :06:25.now? I personally think and lots of my Iraqi friends and people who I'm
:06:26. > :06:29.in contact with in Iraq, family and colleagues, still believe in an
:06:30. > :06:35.Iraqi-ness, but they are very worried, of course that ISIS is
:06:36. > :06:39.going to contribute to an even greater fragmentation. Not evenies
:06:40. > :06:44.circumstance we can't just put -- not even ISIS, we can't just put it
:06:45. > :06:47.on there, but the Government. I'm worried if there is western
:06:48. > :06:50.intervention, in the form of US military intervention, that will
:06:51. > :06:53.increase sectarianism in Iraq. When you look at something like the video
:06:54. > :06:59.that Richard was just talking about there, and you see this appeal, to
:07:00. > :07:05.young men here and in other parts of the world what do you think? I mean
:07:06. > :07:09.I find it very scary. In some Oasisies is the continuation of
:07:10. > :07:16.Al-Qaeda, that was never just an organisation it was an idea. This is
:07:17. > :07:22.the next stage. In many ways this extremism was very much increased
:07:23. > :07:24.due to Afghanistan and Iraq. I think it would be a very big mistake for
:07:25. > :07:27.western military intervention, I think that would make it worse, but
:07:28. > :07:31.at the same time I think we should also not turn a blind eye to what is
:07:32. > :07:36.happening at home. What is happening in terms of Muslim communities, why
:07:37. > :07:40.is it that there is this big gap between older generations and
:07:41. > :07:43.younger generations of men. What should the west's response be to
:07:44. > :07:46.something like the video. The Home Office is trying to shut it down now
:07:47. > :07:51.or talk to internet providers to shut it down, what do you think? It
:07:52. > :07:56.is always a question do you shut something down. I think it is I
:07:57. > :07:59.personally say shut it down, but don't just shut it down, have a
:08:00. > :08:05.debate and discussion. Also on the level of short of local communities
:08:06. > :08:10.try to engage. Why is it that so many young British men who grew up
:08:11. > :08:14.here feel alienated. One of whom a medical student from a fairly
:08:15. > :08:21.privileged family? Yeah, I think there are problems that link to
:08:22. > :08:24.wider British society policies, but also are within Muslim communities,
:08:25. > :08:29.I think, we need to look at what is happening within the mosques and in
:08:30. > :08:33.terms of generations, who are the community leaders, often older men
:08:34. > :08:41.who don't represent younger men and women, that is also a big problem.
:08:42. > :08:45.They have been in power less than a month before Iain Duncan Smith
:08:46. > :08:49.declared welfare dependency absurd and vowed to cut those parked on
:08:50. > :08:51.benefits. Thus welfare reform became one of the big set pieces of
:08:52. > :08:59.coalition Government intended not only to change culture but to cut
:09:00. > :09:04.back a multi-headed hydra of public spending. How is that going four
:09:05. > :09:09.years on. Today the Public Accounts Committee said the Personal
:09:10. > :09:13.Independence Payment a fiasco and universal payment fraught. The
:09:14. > :09:17.self-imposed welfare cap may have to be broken by the Government. Some
:09:18. > :09:23.call it spectacular ambition, matched only by spectacular
:09:24. > :09:28.incompetence. Is that fair? I have suspended your claim as there is a
:09:29. > :09:30.change in your income... Beyond the sensational documentaries and
:09:31. > :09:35.tabloid headlines, what is really going on with our welfare system.
:09:36. > :09:40.This Government has made welfare reform a key priority. We had a
:09:41. > :09:45.welfare system that did not reward people who chose to work, people
:09:46. > :09:48.knew they were better off unemployed and that is tragedy, it didn't give
:09:49. > :09:52.poorer people a chance to get on in life and get out of poverty. We had
:09:53. > :09:56.a system of helping people back to work that wasn't effective,
:09:57. > :09:59.programmes all over the place, lack of innovation and creativity. People
:10:00. > :10:03.need the skills and training too, that is the second reason, and
:10:04. > :10:12.thirdly we weren't ambitious enough for welfare claimants. Not since the
:10:13. > :10:17.Beveridge report has the Government attempted such sweeping reforms. The
:10:18. > :10:22.report aimed to eliminate the five so called giants, squalor,
:10:23. > :10:27.ignorance, want, idleness and disease. This Government have added
:10:28. > :10:32.a sixth giant, cost. In real terms the working age Welfare Bill rose
:10:33. > :10:38.from 2010-2012 as economic growth was weak and inflation high. It has
:10:39. > :10:44.fallen since and it is projected to be broadly flat over the coming
:10:45. > :10:49.years. Welfare reform is about more than just saving money. One major
:10:50. > :10:53.aim of the Government is to increase work incentives and get more people
:10:54. > :10:58.into employment. I have been in and out of prison basically for the last
:10:59. > :11:04.ten years. I came from a broken home, mum died when I was very
:11:05. > :11:11.young, got into the gang life, didn't think there was any turning
:11:12. > :11:15.around, turning it around and on my last sentence I grew up a bit, got
:11:16. > :11:19.introduced to the work programme. That has changed my life. I know it
:11:20. > :11:22.sounds a cliche but it has. I'm working every day in a job I really
:11:23. > :11:28.enjoy doing. Sol believe the Government has taken on too much.
:11:29. > :11:31.The Government is trying to reform disability benefits, introduce the
:11:32. > :11:35.new Universal Credit and reform the system of support for the long-term
:11:36. > :11:39.unemployed. All at the same time. Doing one of them would have been
:11:40. > :11:43.ambitious, doing all three at once is frankly biting off more than they
:11:44. > :11:51.could chew and the result has been quite significant failures. What
:11:52. > :11:56.Beveridge called idleness we would see as unemployment and economic
:11:57. > :12:00.inactivity. Long-term unemployment trebled between 2005-2013 but has
:12:01. > :12:06.since started to come down. However it is still well above prerecession
:12:07. > :12:09.levels. The picture for economic inactivity, that is those not in
:12:10. > :12:14.work but not actively looking for it either is very different. It has
:12:15. > :12:21.fallen by almost 400,000 in the last two years. Whether you are looking
:12:22. > :12:24.at the impact on the labour market or how much is being saved, it is
:12:25. > :12:27.difficult to separate out the effects of the Government's reforms
:12:28. > :12:31.from what was happening in the wider economy. Structural changes in the
:12:32. > :12:37.labour market take time to have an impact, you can't judge the success
:12:38. > :12:41.in real time. Four years might seem like a political eternity, but
:12:42. > :12:47.economically it is still too early to tell. For some people affected by
:12:48. > :12:53.the changes, it isn't too early to judge success. I have got a degree,
:12:54. > :12:58.I'm a qualified teacher, therefore if I'm having difficulty how is
:12:59. > :13:04.everybody else coping with this. I got so stressed that I can't
:13:05. > :13:08.honestly say it caused me to go into a mental hospital, but the stress
:13:09. > :13:14.that it was causing me about getting the forms done and right certainly
:13:15. > :13:17.was a contributory factor so that when something else happened I was
:13:18. > :13:21.not in the right frame of mind and ended up with three weeks in a
:13:22. > :13:25.mental hospital after attempting to commit suicide. Whoever wins the
:13:26. > :13:30.next election, it is likely we will see further reform. Privately I
:13:31. > :13:34.think there is a lot of cross-party support for welfare reform, even
:13:35. > :13:38.Labour MPs privately will tell you they understand why it is happening.
:13:39. > :13:42.The debate has been one in principle and now it is on the operational
:13:43. > :13:44.rollout and implementation. Of course things have been slightly
:13:45. > :13:47.slow at times and frustration with certain programmes. Welfare reform
:13:48. > :13:50.has been one of the most controversial issues to face this
:13:51. > :13:55.parliament. Tight public finances means it will continue into the
:13:56. > :14:00.next. A stronger economy should help keep the lid on welfare costs. But
:14:01. > :14:05.any attempt to cut rather than just contain the bill will put even more
:14:06. > :14:09.pressure on to the system. The political argument around welfare
:14:10. > :14:15.has produced more heat than light. Behind the headlines, the rhetoric
:14:16. > :14:20.and the statistics are thousands of human stories.
:14:21. > :14:31.My guest sits on David Cameron's policy board in Downing Street, and
:14:32. > :14:35.we have the author of Chavs: The Demonisation of the Working Class.
:14:36. > :14:40.What is there to disagree with the reforms, tackling dependency and the
:14:41. > :14:43.bill behind T On their own terms they failed. On the principle of it?
:14:44. > :14:47.On the principle they are not dealing with the root causes of
:14:48. > :14:51.social security spending going up. Let's separate what social security
:14:52. > :14:55.is, the bulk of it goes on elderly people, people who have paid in all
:14:56. > :15:00.their lives. Still too many of them hide choosing between heating their
:15:01. > :15:03.homes. This is a key point, this Government often talk about welfare
:15:04. > :15:07.spending spiralling out of control. Most of that is going on elderly
:15:08. > :15:11.people. In terms of the key drivers of social security spending going
:15:12. > :15:15.up, it is to do with low wages because you are talking about
:15:16. > :15:19.Beveridge's original idea of the welfare state, it is subsidising low
:15:20. > :15:21.wages in the economy, over one million workers have been driven
:15:22. > :15:26.into poverty wages since this Government came into power. Now that
:15:27. > :15:31.actually puts pressure on all of us, what that does is drive up the costs
:15:32. > :15:37.of in-work benefits. Let me read you, from the IDS speech of 2010, he
:15:38. > :15:41.said 1. 4 million people have been out of work on those benefits for
:15:42. > :15:44.nine out of the last ten years, working age poverty has flat lined,
:15:45. > :15:48.income inequality is the highest since records began. Are those
:15:49. > :15:51.problems that need tackling by looking at welfare dependency? When
:15:52. > :15:55.we talk about welfare dependency, what is missing is the lack of
:15:56. > :16:01.secure jobs, I will tell you why. Nearly half of people who claim
:16:02. > :16:04.jobseeker's allowance did so less than six months after. That is a
:16:05. > :16:07.cycle of benefit and unemployment. That is why we need an industrial
:16:08. > :16:11.strategy, like in Germany, creating secure jobs, particularly in
:16:12. > :16:16.renewable energy, we need a housing programme to build housing, creating
:16:17. > :16:21.jobs, and other policies like a national insulation scheme which
:16:22. > :16:24.would create jobs, we don't have that. You have heard the criticism,
:16:25. > :16:28.are you happy with the speed of success? I think it is right to make
:16:29. > :16:31.sure the implementation is done carefully. You look at for example
:16:32. > :16:36.the Universal Credit, we're rolling it out, we are going to by the end
:16:37. > :16:40.of 2014 have it in 90 job centres, that is one in eight around the
:16:41. > :16:43.country. Owen conflates pensions, I actually think we did the right
:16:44. > :16:49.thing under the last Labour Government they went up by a
:16:50. > :16:55.derisory 75p, we have said 2. 5% or inflation. I think that's a really
:16:56. > :16:59.good thing to do. We are having a flat rate pension higher than the
:17:00. > :17:02.basic. Let's go back to the point about the roll out of the reforms.
:17:03. > :17:07.It is right to be careful, it is right to roll them out step by step
:17:08. > :17:13.on Universal Credit, do the same with the personal independence plan.
:17:14. > :17:19.The Economist reckons at the current speed that Universal Credit will
:17:20. > :17:24.take 600 years to reach the 5. 23 million people it is meant to serve,
:17:25. > :17:28.is that being careful or a major, major problem? I don't think that is
:17:29. > :17:33.what it will take. We are saying throughout 2014 it will reach 90 job
:17:34. > :17:39.centres, by 2017 it will be fully rolled out. It is right to be
:17:40. > :17:42.careful. So not the 600 years that is this estimate? I haven't seen
:17:43. > :17:45.that piece of work so I can't comment. All I would say is the
:17:46. > :17:50.important thing is not just to legislate these things. Labour tried
:17:51. > :17:55.to reform disability living allowance, DLA, they said they would
:17:56. > :18:00.do it and they shied away from it. Can I just say on its own terms all
:18:01. > :18:02.of these are an abysmal fail arcs Employment Support Allowance,
:18:03. > :18:06.reassessment, not only has had striped thousands of people from the
:18:07. > :18:09.support that they need. Not only do 40% of people striped of their
:18:10. > :18:12.benefits if they go on to appeal have them reinstated, it will cost
:18:13. > :18:18.more money. Those costs are going up. Failure. The second point. The
:18:19. > :18:23.second point? The reforms are working. Disability living allowance
:18:24. > :18:27.to the personal independence payment, today attacked as a fiasco,
:18:28. > :18:31.what you have had in that instance is terminally ill people not
:18:32. > :18:38.getting, having to wait for weeks until they get their support. You
:18:39. > :18:41.can return to that? That is scaremongering, terminally ill
:18:42. > :18:44.people we are now making the process, and have already made the
:18:45. > :18:48.process much more efficient and faster, the NAO say the reforms are
:18:49. > :18:52.working so rereach our target. What about the man on the film who said
:18:53. > :18:55.he was mentally ill because of the reforms? Those changes we have made
:18:56. > :19:00.for terminally ill people the process is much more efficient. It
:19:01. > :19:03.hasn't. It is three-times above the target. Ten days was our target, we
:19:04. > :19:07.are very close to hitting our target on that. I would not accept that
:19:08. > :19:13.sort of scaremongering. Let's talk about the facts. These are the
:19:14. > :19:17.facts. Not all the Public Accounts Committee. They are not the facts.
:19:18. > :19:19.They are. Deal with the Public Affairs Committee which say the
:19:20. > :19:23.incompetence and a fiasco. I will deal with that, they were looking at
:19:24. > :19:27.statistics that were out of date, the current numbers, the statistics
:19:28. > :19:30.coming through is that we are meeting our targets. So you would
:19:31. > :19:35.agree it was a fiasco and incompetent, but I think it isn't
:19:36. > :19:38.more? They were dealing with statistics out of date. What would
:19:39. > :19:41.you say about Labour's plans, we have heard this big announcement
:19:42. > :19:45.from Ed Miliband over the last couple of days, and they are pretty
:19:46. > :19:49.much signed up to the same thing as the Conservatives? They are not,
:19:50. > :19:53.because they voted against every reform we have introduced. What they
:19:54. > :19:57.have done, OK this is a real problem, since I finished my
:19:58. > :20:01.A-levels which may surprise you was 11 years ago,-out unemployment has
:20:02. > :20:04.doubled. That wasn't because people lacked training or have become lazy
:20:05. > :20:07.and feckless, it is because of lack of secure jobs in the economy. The
:20:08. > :20:10.problem with what Labour are suggesting is because it is a
:20:11. > :20:13.gimmick, training without secure jobs at the end. We already have a
:20:14. > :20:17.situation where a third of graduates are doing non-graduate work. That
:20:18. > :20:20.speaks of however educated people are the jobs aren't there. You are
:20:21. > :20:23.saying they couldn't possibly be succeeding in this term any way? Of
:20:24. > :20:28.course not. They are playing the Tory game in the sense of fuelling
:20:29. > :20:32.stigmaisation, and actualing the sense that people are unemployed
:20:33. > :20:35.because they are feckless. We're talking about solutions, that is to
:20:36. > :20:40.rebuild the secure jobs in the economy. Even if you look away from
:20:41. > :20:44.the dependency culture, the Welfare Bill hasn't come down, even on
:20:45. > :20:49.purely economic terms it hasn't worked? As you saw in your charts
:20:50. > :20:52.the Welfare Bill is about ?94 billion. This isn't about money it
:20:53. > :20:56.is about getting people out of the trap of poverty. Let me tell you
:20:57. > :21:00.Owen, before you throw outrage. I have been on benefits I have been on
:21:01. > :21:04.housing benefit. So have I. My mother had to pawn her wedding ring
:21:05. > :21:10.to put food on the table. I will take no lectures on that. People
:21:11. > :21:15.trapped on welfare that is the real crime that is what Iain Duncan
:21:16. > :21:25.Smith. Having a living wage, build housing. Thank you for coming. Fidel
:21:26. > :21:30.Castro, revolutionary, communist, the former leader's image is that of
:21:31. > :21:35.exemplary and frugal leader. His body says it is a sham. In his
:21:36. > :21:39.explosive book he contends that the vast majority of Cubans were unaware
:21:40. > :21:44.that he enjoyed a lifestyle beyond the dreams of many Cubans and beyond
:21:45. > :21:48.the sacrifices he demanded of them. He lived like a king with a yacht
:21:49. > :21:53.and Caribbean island getaway. We caught up
:21:54. > :21:57.and Caribbean island getaway. We Paris. For decades he travelled the
:21:58. > :22:03.world and met its leaders, Fidel Castro was a major target. In danger
:22:04. > :22:12.from the CIA's dirty tricks department, and from all the Cuban
:22:13. > :22:17.exiles who wanted him dead. And for 17 years this man protected Fidel.
:22:18. > :22:24.He was intensely loyal and a total believer in Castro and Castroism.
:22:25. > :22:28.Then, 20 years ago his brother defected to the US. For the Cuban
:22:29. > :22:34.authorities that made him a serious risk. He lost his job and in 1994
:22:35. > :22:40.was thrown in jail. But eventually escaped and made his way to Florida.
:22:41. > :22:44.Tell me what it was like being with Fidel Castro. What kind of person is
:22:45. > :22:52.he. What did you feel like when you were with him? TRANSLATION: I would
:22:53. > :22:57.say Fidel had a double life, that is a side I saw of him. Fidel Castro
:22:58. > :23:02.had a public image of a modest and simple unassuming person, and even
:23:03. > :23:12.he affable, but in his private life Fidel was something quite different.
:23:13. > :23:18.His private life was always kept as a state secret in Cuba. So he has
:23:19. > :23:22.gone from being a worshipper of Castro, willing to lay down his life
:23:23. > :23:30.for him, to hating him and thinking he's a phoney. Hence his book The
:23:31. > :23:36.Secret Life of Fidel Castro. In his he aduces him of being a
:23:37. > :23:41.multi-millionaire, owning 20 houses, a getaway island and various yachts.
:23:42. > :23:44.These are all accusations Castro has faced before and he and his
:23:45. > :23:51.officials strongly deny every one of them. He maintains as leader he
:23:52. > :23:57.lived on his official salary, $36 US dollars a month. TRANSLATION: What
:23:58. > :24:01.we have tried to do in the book is to prove and demonstrate to the
:24:02. > :24:08.public that Fidel is a man with possessions like that of no other
:24:09. > :24:13.Cuban today. Cubans can't even dream of that. No other person in Cuba has
:24:14. > :24:19.a private Marina with four yachts, two fishing vessels and more than
:24:20. > :24:25.100 men to look after that exclusive Marina for Fidel Castro's personal
:24:26. > :24:30.use. Sanchez was still Fidel's bodyguard when I went to Cuba for
:24:31. > :24:35.Newsnight back in February 1993. You can see him in the crowd behind the
:24:36. > :24:40.great man, just before I call out my question. Castro, whose formal
:24:41. > :24:45.speeches used to last seven hours took over 20 minutes to answer me.
:24:46. > :24:48.From the crowd of journalists I asked him about the complaints of so
:24:49. > :24:54.many Cubans about the conditions of their lives here? We weren't the
:24:55. > :24:59.usual type of politician who is try to fool the people he said, we tell
:25:00. > :25:03.the truth, we explain the great difficulties... The most serious
:25:04. > :25:07.allegations Sanchez makes is that Castro gave protection to a known
:25:08. > :25:14.drug smuggler. Although he doesn't suggest that Castro benefitted from
:25:15. > :25:18.this financially. TRANSLATION: In 1989 I overheard a conversation
:25:19. > :25:21.between Fidel Castro and the then Interior Minister through some
:25:22. > :25:31.headphones connected to the microphones in Fidel's office. The
:25:32. > :25:35.minister was briefing Fidel on drug trafficking deals. That was the
:25:36. > :25:39.moment when Fidel stopped being my idol. To me he was the greatest
:25:40. > :25:44.thing, he was the man for whom I was ready to die, I was willing to die
:25:45. > :25:47.if Fidel was attacked. But from that moment I decided to find a way out
:25:48. > :25:53.because I could not come to terms with the fact that I was protecting
:25:54. > :25:58.a man who had publicly denied any involvement in drug trafficking.
:25:59. > :26:03.That shocked me. He had this strange group of people that he liked, aside
:26:04. > :26:07.from eastern European dictators and others, he also used to invite
:26:08. > :26:17.Barbara Walters, the American television personality to his secret
:26:18. > :26:20.island, didn't he? TRANSLATION: One of the fundamental features of
:26:21. > :26:25.Fidel's personally that I witnessed was his great ability to manipulate.
:26:26. > :26:29.He not only manipulated me, a member of his personal guard, but he also
:26:30. > :26:32.manipulated Presidents and personalities from writers to
:26:33. > :26:40.economists and that's one of his characteristics. Together with that
:26:41. > :26:44.there is another feature, which is his very opportunistic, he knows how
:26:45. > :26:54.to find the exact moment to achieve what he wants when he wants it. Will
:26:55. > :27:01.communism in Cuba survive Fidel Castro, Raul Castro, or when they go
:27:02. > :27:06.will it go also? TRANSLATION: Well I think the real problems in Cuba will
:27:07. > :27:14.start when Fidel dies. Most of the difficulties will appear then. Raul
:27:15. > :27:20.lacks Fidel's qualities. Fidel is an intelligent person, charismatic,
:27:21. > :27:25.some people consider themselves to be Fidelisttas and he has the
:27:26. > :27:30.support and loyalty of the people. Raul, on the other hand, is not half
:27:31. > :27:35.as intelligent as Fidel, he doesn't have his charisma and of course he
:27:36. > :27:42.doesn't have as many people in Cuba who would follow him when that time
:27:43. > :27:50.comes. But not even Sanchez suggests that Castro throws Berlusconi-like
:27:51. > :27:56.bunga-bunga parties, and he's certainly not another Colonel
:27:57. > :28:00.Gadaffi with depraved appetites and grotesques ways of life. Instead he
:28:01. > :28:04.emerges from the book as a long serving boss of a family firm,
:28:05. > :28:09.inclined to treat the business as his own property. Yet even this will
:28:10. > :28:15.be shocking to Cubans, who, for more than 50 years have tended to see him
:28:16. > :28:23.as one of themselves, a genuine revolutionary with simple tastes.
:28:24. > :28:27.This is basically Juan Sanchez's revenge, once he would have gladly
:28:28. > :28:33.taken a bullet for Fidel, now he just wants to destroy him. The Cuban
:28:34. > :28:37.Foreign Ministry have not yet replied to our request for a
:28:38. > :28:45.response to that interview. That's nearly all for this week, early this
:28:46. > :28:50.evening Italy weren't nearly as good as England made them look. We will
:28:51. > :28:54.leave but the brilliance of John Motson and his latest historical gem
:28:55. > :29:01.about the tournament. Have a great weekend. It was the World Cup
:29:02. > :29:05.contest where global politics rather than football tactics dominated the
:29:06. > :29:13.pre-match discussions. Iran against the USA in 8, very much depending on
:29:14. > :29:16.your perspective, the terror state versus the great Satan. The
:29:17. > :29:20.President of the United States Soccer Federation called the game
:29:21. > :29:24.the mother of all matches and the build up to the most political
:29:25. > :29:28.charged match in history was dominated by diplomatic and security
:29:29. > :29:32.concerns. On the pitch, however, civility and sportsmanship broke
:29:33. > :29:37.out. So much so that a year later a friendly was arranged, where
:29:38. > :29:47.diplomacy failed, football was making a start. On that day in June
:29:48. > :29:51.1998, soccer-mad 11-year-old Stephen Beeitashour was one of many
:29:52. > :29:56.watching, he went on to play in America's league and selected for
:29:57. > :29:58.the USA national squad. But Stephen's loyalties were divided
:29:59. > :30:03.between the country where he was born and grown up and that of his
:30:04. > :30:07.parents, Iran. And so Beeitashour, on the verge of a breakthrough from
:30:08. > :30:12.the USA national squad to the first 11 had a choice to make. And just as
:30:13. > :30:17.in that famous gain of 1998 Iran won the game. With Beeitashour making
:30:18. > :30:21.his international debut in October of last year. Now he's at the World
:30:22. > :30:26.Cup and a repeat of the fixture and the chance for the boy from San Jose
:30:27. > :30:30.to face off against the USA can come in the quarter finals at the
:30:31. > :30:34.earliest, further than Iran has ever got before. And that really would be
:30:35. > :30:38.the mother of all matches all over again.