:00:00. > :00:11.Well that went well, the new President of the European Commission
:00:12. > :00:15.is a card-carrying, Cognac swilling, fully paid up member of the Brussels
:00:16. > :00:19.federalist establishment. Where is your reform agenda now Mr Cameron?
:00:20. > :00:24.If I say I'm not going to back down, I won't. This is going to be a long,
:00:25. > :00:29.tough fight, and frankly sometimes you have to be ready to lose a
:00:30. > :00:33.battle in order to win war. Conservatives old and new will be
:00:34. > :00:37.here to tell us what the Prime Minister does for an encore.
:00:38. > :00:42.Who gives you the visual truth in the age of Photoshop and cosmetic
:00:43. > :00:47.surgery, the snapper with the camera or artist with the brush. 25 years
:00:48. > :00:51.ago portraits were so far out of fashion that there was genuine
:00:52. > :00:56.debate about them becoming extinct. I believe in a snapshot saturated
:00:57. > :00:59.world, people are looking to the artist to reveal something deeper
:01:00. > :01:06.about their subject. And Dylan Thomas. Now as I was young and easy
:01:07. > :01:11.under the apple bough, about the looting house and happy as the grass
:01:12. > :01:17.was green... He's not quite as good as that one, but we have a
:01:18. > :01:23.newly-discovered Dylan Thomas poem, who better to give it its first
:01:24. > :01:32.outing than the man who played him, Tom Hollander.
:01:33. > :01:35.One Tory MEP said it marked the beginning of the end of Britain's
:01:36. > :01:40.membership of the EU, even David Cameron admitted that his desire for
:01:41. > :01:44.a more semi-detatched relationship with Europe had just got heard. The
:01:45. > :01:53.elevation of Jean-Claude Juncker, the epity -- epitomy of everything
:01:54. > :01:58.Tory euro-sceptics despise about Britain, this didn't just leave the
:01:59. > :02:02.Prime Minister an outsider in Europe, but it threatened to
:02:03. > :02:09.undermine his whole European referendum strategy.
:02:10. > :02:18.The commission is the mothership of the European project. Employing
:02:19. > :02:24.33,000 civil servants and producing myriad regulations. Little wonder
:02:25. > :02:31.that the battle over who should run it became such an emotive one for
:02:32. > :02:36.the British Prime Minister. But today, he had to leave Brussels,
:02:37. > :02:40.having seen his plans to stop Jean-Claude Juncker thwarted, with
:02:41. > :02:41.all the Jean-Claude Juncker thwarted, with
:02:42. > :02:48.his Europe policy. Today's Jean-Claude Juncker thwarted, with
:02:49. > :02:52.is nod the one I wanted, frankly it makes it harder and the stakes
:02:53. > :02:58.higher. This is an important stand but it is far from being the last
:02:59. > :03:03.stand. My colleagues on the European Council know that I'm deadly serious
:03:04. > :03:07.about EU reform, that I keep my word, that if I say I'm not going to
:03:08. > :03:11.back down, I won't. This is going to be a long, tough fight, and frankly,
:03:12. > :03:19.sometimes you have to be ready to lose a battle in order to win a war.
:03:20. > :03:24.As the weeks before this encounter ticked by, it became clear that only
:03:25. > :03:27.Hungary would embrace Mr Cameron and his vocal objection to Juncker. That
:03:28. > :03:32.Government too is under take from the right, and together they found
:03:33. > :03:37.themselves isolated today. There has definitely been progress in the
:03:38. > :03:49.sense of gathering allies on the continent, but when things go really
:03:50. > :03:52.into an important stage and there is a forcing of countries to choose
:03:53. > :04:00.between Britain and Germany. Countries will choose Germany. Dane,
:04:01. > :04:04.Swedes, Dutch and Finns who have some time allied with Britain over
:04:05. > :04:07.the case for change of late were picked off by Germany. When they
:04:08. > :04:12.came here those customary Cameron allies were already sending a
:04:13. > :04:15.message that the Juncker fair was over and it was up to the British to
:04:16. > :04:24.get back into the persuasion business as soon as possible. I
:04:25. > :04:27.believe that the UK needs to come back and Europe needs the UK to be
:04:28. > :04:32.part of us, I very much hope that after today we can get back on track
:04:33. > :04:35.where the UK is an important partner and influential partner in the
:04:36. > :04:40.European Union. And the British leader actually followed their
:04:41. > :04:45.advice in this sense. He stood back from a nuclear option of saying he
:04:46. > :04:49.would now Campaign for an exit from the EU, instead arguing that the
:04:50. > :04:52.communique words recognising his request for reform were an
:04:53. > :04:56.achievement and it would go on. The Prime Minister himself made it very
:04:57. > :04:59.clear, one, he wants Britain to stay in the European Union, two, he has
:05:00. > :05:06.plan and a strategy that should be so, three, that the council should
:05:07. > :05:11.take into account the concerns and anxieties he has expressed. Mr
:05:12. > :05:14.Cameron has set today's events in a proud tradition of Conservative
:05:15. > :05:18.defiance to the European federalists. But there are some
:05:19. > :05:22.inconvenient facts arising from Mr Juncker's appointment. It has shown
:05:23. > :05:28.the power of the European Parliament, reinforced by the Lisbon
:05:29. > :05:32.Treaty. And, of course, Britain and Hungary were outvoted by a majority
:05:33. > :05:40.of other European countries on this. There could be no British veto.
:05:41. > :05:45.The path awaiting the British PM is unchartered. Being a solitary voice
:05:46. > :05:49.in Brussels may work well for him at home, but here, with majority
:05:50. > :05:58.voting, it is not a good place to be. We have the Vice President of
:05:59. > :06:02.the centre right European People's Party in the European Parliament. Mr
:06:03. > :06:07.Juncker was their candidate. She joins us from Germany? You have been
:06:08. > :06:09.dining with some leading supporters of Mr Juncker tonight, were what
:06:10. > :06:15.were they saying about the British Prime Minister? Well, what I hear
:06:16. > :06:20.most is concern, I think we would all like to have a European Union
:06:21. > :06:27.with Britain in it rather than out, so we look with concern to what's
:06:28. > :06:31.happening in the UK? Where does that leave Mr Cameron's hopes for reform
:06:32. > :06:39.and chances of repatriating powers from Brussels back to London. . Well
:06:40. > :06:43.I actually was elected in the Netherlands partially on that
:06:44. > :06:47.agenda. We would like the European Union to focus on key taxes and not
:06:48. > :06:52.on the level of detail we would seen in the past. I would be quite happy
:06:53. > :06:57.for the UK to weigh their fruits and vegtables in pounds and ounces and
:06:58. > :07:01.us in kilograms. That is not the key issue Europe should be about. We
:07:02. > :07:05.share part of the same agenda, but you need to be in Europe to change
:07:06. > :07:10.it. But nobody really wanted Mr Juncker, not even Mrs Angela Merkel
:07:11. > :07:18.wanted it, at least Mr Cameron was honest? Well, I doubt that. Actually
:07:19. > :07:24.it only makes sense that you take into account the result of the
:07:25. > :07:28.European elections. The UK virtually invented parliamentary democracy. It
:07:29. > :07:31.only makes sense to make sure that the biggest party in the European
:07:32. > :07:36.Parliament has a say about the kind of leader they want in the European
:07:37. > :07:41.Commission. Now he might not be the sexiest man alive, but he can get
:07:42. > :07:46.things done in Europe on this, in my view, hopefully reform agenda. But
:07:47. > :07:48.the way Britain voted in the European elections and the way
:07:49. > :07:56.France voted in the European election, they don't want to go down
:07:57. > :08:01.Mr Juncker's route? Well we have the same issues and the same challenges
:08:02. > :08:06.in the Netherlands, we have a strong extreme right party that would
:08:07. > :08:09.rather get out of Europe. My party makes the analysis that for the
:08:10. > :08:12.Dutch citizen it is better to be in Europe. But a Europe that is
:08:13. > :08:17.focussed on key tasks. Now the debate in the UK will have to be the
:08:18. > :08:21.same. Is it in theritish interests to be part of Europe, although
:08:22. > :08:24.reformed, or do we want out. That is not something we decide in the
:08:25. > :08:28.European Parliament, that belongs in the British national parliament.
:08:29. > :08:33.Explain this to British people, the European elite has run Europe into a
:08:34. > :08:38.financial crisis, economic stagnation, mass unemployment of
:08:39. > :08:47.Europe's youth, and yet you choose as your new President the epitomy of
:08:48. > :08:51.that elite, why? I come from a small member-state, and we know that it's
:08:52. > :08:55.better to be in some issues together rather than alone. Look at trade
:08:56. > :09:00.negotiations, there are important trade negotiations coming up with
:09:01. > :09:04.the United States. It is always more comfortable to negotiate on behalf
:09:05. > :09:09.of 28 countries rather than one. It makes your weight in the world
:09:10. > :09:12.bigger. And that is the challenge for the 21st sent treatment how do
:09:13. > :09:16.we make sure that Europe, we're only going to be 5% of the world's
:09:17. > :09:20.population at the end of the century, that we're prepared for
:09:21. > :09:24.this age of globalisation. That is the challenge. And sometimes you can
:09:25. > :09:30.do that alone and we would like to do that nationally, but sometimes
:09:31. > :09:46.better with allies. Interesting answer gut butt not the question.
:09:47. > :09:52.My guests join me now. The press tomorrow saying this takes Britain
:09:53. > :09:57.one step closer to the exit, do you agree? It might be but I'm not
:09:58. > :10:00.convinced. What happened today was Angela Merkel and other heads of
:10:01. > :10:03.Government wanting to avoid conflict with the European Parliament, that
:10:04. > :10:06.was the fundamental machine why Angela Merkel changed her position,
:10:07. > :10:09.which was originally to support a wider selection of candidates. When
:10:10. > :10:13.it comes to the renegotiation there is a much more fundamental issue at
:10:14. > :10:18.stake. Will the other member states be content to see the second-largest
:10:19. > :10:22.member of the European Union forced into a situation where it leaves the
:10:23. > :10:25.European Union. My judgment, for what it is worth, is for all sorts
:10:26. > :10:30.of different reasons, there is hardly a single country in the EU
:10:31. > :10:37.that wants the UK to leave, that will influence, if David Cameron
:10:38. > :10:40.puts forward a whole series of proposals that can be considered for
:10:41. > :10:43.the UK, without doing fundamental damage to other European countries,
:10:44. > :10:50.that will be the basis of a successful negotiation. Mr Cameron
:10:51. > :10:53.lost 26-2, needs to win 28-0 for any major repatriation of powers to take
:10:54. > :10:59.place. It is mission impossible? You say that, but this was about a
:11:00. > :11:04.different issue. A simpler issue? Forgive me, this was an issue on
:11:05. > :11:08.which it was safe for the other heads of Government to disagree with
:11:09. > :11:13.David Cameron, to reject his view, because that way they avoided a
:11:14. > :11:16.major row with the European Parliament, which at this point in
:11:17. > :11:20.time was more important to them. If they do not make the best effort
:11:21. > :11:24.they can. I'm not predicting success. What I'm saying is if they
:11:25. > :11:27.do not make a genuine effort to actually make contact with the
:11:28. > :11:30.British position and try to understand UK concerns, then they
:11:31. > :11:35.know what follows. There will be a referendum in the UK, and the UK
:11:36. > :11:39.would then possibly leave the European Union, for various reasons,
:11:40. > :11:44.nobody wants to see that happen. How do you rate the Prime Minister's
:11:45. > :11:46.chances of major reform? In terms of an overall of the European Union
:11:47. > :11:50.plainly, that has been shot down in the most visible way this afternoon.
:11:51. > :11:54.The idea that the European Union is going to start a massive
:11:55. > :11:58.decentralisation of power is falsified by what has just happened.
:11:59. > :12:02.Mr Juncker campaigned quite openly, quite honourably for a United States
:12:03. > :12:06.of Europe. He wants a European citizenship where we vote in each
:12:07. > :12:10.other's general election, an army, a police force. He has been given a
:12:11. > :12:14.mandate to address Britain's concerns, it is not all over? It is
:12:15. > :12:17.possible Britain goes for a Swiss-type deal where we are only in
:12:18. > :12:22.the free market and outside everything else. If you want to
:12:23. > :12:25.dress that up as associated status, and it is called Private limbed
:12:26. > :12:31.partnership or associate partnership. If we get that I'm not
:12:32. > :12:38.fussed about what it is called. The idea there will be a general
:12:39. > :12:40.loosening of the European Union, it is not that I think it will happen,
:12:41. > :12:42.Angela Merkel came out of the meeting today and said in her press
:12:43. > :12:47.conference, ever closer union must apply to all 28 member states. She
:12:48. > :12:54.said it didn't have to apply at the apply to all 28 member states. She
:12:55. > :13:02.same speed. He mentioned the German Chancellor, Mrs Angela Merkel told
:13:03. > :13:06.David Cameron she didn't want Mr Juncker and then buckled under media
:13:07. > :13:10.and political pressure. How can he trust her again? You have 28
:13:11. > :13:14.democratically elected Prime Ministers with domestic
:13:15. > :13:20.constituencies. I said a few moments ago what David Cameron must seek to
:13:21. > :13:24.do is achieve reforms that meet the British concerns without imposing
:13:25. > :13:28.anything on other EU members. What we are talking about should include
:13:29. > :13:31.elements of repatriation, but that is not all. One of the most
:13:32. > :13:35.important objectives has to be as the Dutch Prime Minister has said,
:13:36. > :13:41.we are at the end of the days of ever-closer union. What we need is a
:13:42. > :13:47.system whereby those countries, like Germany, wish to integrate further
:13:48. > :13:52.have a right to do so, but countries like the UK, Sweden, Denmark and
:13:53. > :13:55.others, who don't want, don't have to negotiate opt-out, they have an
:13:56. > :13:59.equal right to say that kind of European Union is not the one we
:14:00. > :14:03.wish to be part of. I want to look at the politic of this, what would
:14:04. > :14:07.the Tory Party response be, if Mr Cameron came back, if he wins the
:14:08. > :14:11.election and does the negotiation, with only cosmetic changes to our
:14:12. > :14:14.current terms, and said we should still stay in. What would happen in
:14:15. > :14:19.the Tory Party? I can't speak for the Tory Party, I can only speak for
:14:20. > :14:23.me. I would of course vote to come out in that situation. And what you
:14:24. > :14:26.have just described has been the Foreign Office policy up until now,
:14:27. > :14:30.to make the minimal changes they think they can get away with, to do
:14:31. > :14:34.Harold Wilson and come back and oversell it and pretend we have now
:14:35. > :14:38.great new deal. That policy was aborted today. It is now an
:14:39. > :14:42.impossible sell for anyone to come to the British electorate and say
:14:43. > :14:47.there is a whole new deal. There is only two option, one we vote to
:14:48. > :14:51.leave, the second is vote some kind of semi-detatched status peculiar to
:14:52. > :14:55.us and we are only in the free market. Do you think we are more
:14:56. > :14:59.likely to head to the exit? Yes. Mr Cameron's nightmare is this that he
:15:00. > :15:03.doesn't get any changes and he still says we should stay in. That would
:15:04. > :15:05.split the Tory Party down the middle, wouldn't it? Whatever
:15:06. > :15:12.happens that is not going to happen. Why? I will tell you why. The
:15:13. > :15:16.French, the Germans, all the smaller countries, for different reasons,
:15:17. > :15:21.are very anxious that the whole European project would be derailed.
:15:22. > :15:26.They have They have a funny way of showing it. This was a particular
:15:27. > :15:31.disagreement about an individual's appointment, that has very little
:15:32. > :15:35.significance in long-term history. Ultimate decisions are not taken by
:15:36. > :15:39.the President of the Commission but heads of Government. Do you think
:15:40. > :15:44.there will be enough to appease Tory backbenchers. Daniel is a hardline
:15:45. > :15:50.euro-sceptic, what he might call cosmetic is not necessarily what
:15:51. > :15:54.most reasonable people would he see see.
:15:55. > :15:58.We are talking about the Tory backbenchers? We are talking about
:15:59. > :16:02.the British electorate who will define this. It is ridiculous to see
:16:03. > :16:05.this as a Tory split story, it is about the country, we have a
:16:06. > :16:07.fundamentally different vision of Europe, I don't think David Cameron
:16:08. > :16:12.or the Conservative Party are unusual. We get it all the time in
:16:13. > :16:16.our constituency surgeries. We want free trade and collaboration and not
:16:17. > :16:21.merger. If David Cameron came back with something that was obviously
:16:22. > :16:24.cosmetic that would be rejected I in judgment by the British public, and
:16:25. > :16:28.might even be by David Cameron himself. I think there are solid
:16:29. > :16:32.substantial reforms that could be made which would not be cosmetic,
:16:33. > :16:35.which would protect the United Kingdom from further integration
:16:36. > :16:40.that we do not want and would enable us to achieve a European Union which
:16:41. > :16:43.the UK, so far as its level of integration could be comfortable
:16:44. > :16:47.with. Suppose you are wrong and Mr Cameron only gets cosmetic changes,
:16:48. > :16:51.would you vote to stay in on current terms of membership? I would have to
:16:52. > :16:56.make a judgment at that stage. You know what the current terms of
:16:57. > :17:00.membership are? If the vote was tomorrow I would vote to stay in.
:17:01. > :17:04.Based on the current terms? Iternally would, yes. If the choice
:17:05. > :17:09.was because I think there is enough benefit for the UK to justify that
:17:10. > :17:18.decision. But that doesn't mean I would want a renegotiation. There
:17:19. > :17:21.are many issues of reform I would want to see. I think he will come
:17:22. > :17:25.back with something substantial, time will tell. Europe is the only
:17:26. > :17:31.continent on the planet shrinking economically, we need to raise our
:17:32. > :17:33.eyes to more distant horizons and locations.
:17:34. > :17:37.Thank you very much gentlemen. Now London state schools used to be a
:17:38. > :17:41.bi-word for mediocrity and underperformance, now the capital is
:17:42. > :17:44.the best place in England to go to school, especially from a poor
:17:45. > :17:56.background. We are not exactly sure why. Maybe, just maybe the answer is
:17:57. > :18:00.about teachers' love lives. Grange Hill is London's most famous school,
:18:01. > :18:04.but were it running today it would look very different. That is because
:18:05. > :18:09.the capital's schools have, in the past decade emerged as comfortably
:18:10. > :18:15.the country's best. And, this month three separate reports are being
:18:16. > :18:18.published on why. The success of London's schools is enormously
:18:19. > :18:22.important for the rest of the country. That is because the capital
:18:23. > :18:25.is now the lens through which all discussion of educational success is
:18:26. > :18:27.being focussed. For example the Labour Party wants more
:18:28. > :18:32.collaboration between schools. That's based on the success of a
:18:33. > :18:36.London scheme called the London Challenge which encouraged heads to
:18:37. > :18:39.work together. The Tories are more focussed on what you do with failing
:18:40. > :18:43.schools and replacing management. That happened a lot in London too.
:18:44. > :18:49.In truth none of these explanation are big enough to explain the size
:18:50. > :18:52.of the phenomenon in the city. London's schools take the poorest
:18:53. > :18:58.children in the country, looking at pupils taking GCSEs in 2012, they
:18:59. > :19:03.were more likely to be on free school meals, a popular indicator of
:19:04. > :19:06.poverty. Yet its schools get the best results in the country. Most
:19:07. > :19:11.Inner London children get straight As than the national average. The
:19:12. > :19:14.data shows this is the result of a decade of improvement. So the many
:19:15. > :19:19.to this mystery, whatever it is, must be very big and very old. One
:19:20. > :19:24.idea that has been gaining currency is that of assortive mating, that is
:19:25. > :19:29.the idea that graduates are more likely to marry other graduates, for
:19:30. > :19:32.teachers that means that their partners are more likely to be
:19:33. > :19:37.highly educated, and, since there is greater demand for graduate skills
:19:38. > :19:41.in London, then in other parts of the country, that means they are
:19:42. > :19:45.more likely to be drawn to London so their partners can get a good job.
:19:46. > :19:50.You can see that in the figures. These bars show the share of
:19:51. > :19:53.teachers partnered up with graduates across length England. And this is
:19:54. > :19:58.Inner London, where they are much more likely to be partnered up with
:19:59. > :20:02.other graduates. Outside London graduates married to teachers are
:20:03. > :20:05.quickly likely to work in the public sector, but in London you see they
:20:06. > :20:11.do a different mix of jobs. Very few work for the state. Many will be
:20:12. > :20:17.doing jobs that right now only exist in London. Why did you come to teach
:20:18. > :20:20.in London? I grew up in London and I was always told that if you can
:20:21. > :20:23.teach in London you can teach anywhere, because historically it
:20:24. > :20:26.was the most changing place to teach. That is why I started here.
:20:27. > :20:31.And I'm still working in the first school I trained in and I absolutely
:20:32. > :20:35.loved it. Can you see yourself ever leaving London? My husband works in
:20:36. > :20:39.a job that ties into London pretty much for life, so we are here for
:20:40. > :20:43.good. These are new teachers starting this week on Teach First,
:20:44. > :20:48.one big question for future is how do we help these young people choose
:20:49. > :20:53.a life outside the capital. Cities like Leeds have big recruitment
:20:54. > :20:58.problems. Perhaps the simplest answer is teachers need to be a bit
:20:59. > :21:06.more inventive in their dating habit, must try harder!
:21:07. > :21:12.The BP Portrait Award is in its 20th year with more entries than before.
:21:13. > :21:15.One of the celebrated artists believe its popularity is people
:21:16. > :21:18.trust painters more than photographers to show the truth
:21:19. > :21:28.about their subjects. He has made a film for Newsnight to argue his
:21:29. > :21:32.case. # I have been looking so long
:21:33. > :21:36.# At lease pictures of you 25 years ago I was leaving school
:21:37. > :21:40.and wanted to be painter, at that time portraits were so far out of
:21:41. > :21:43.fashion that there was genuine debate abo whether they might become
:21:44. > :21:47.extinct. It was said the camera never lies, and the belief was that
:21:48. > :21:55.photography was a far more truthful and authoritative medium. But since
:21:56. > :21:58.the advent of digital photography, and in particular camera phones we
:21:59. > :22:03.have seen a vast increase in the number of photos being taken by
:22:04. > :22:06.everyone around us. The emergence of social media means we are now
:22:07. > :22:11.exposed to a huge number of cleverly posed, selected and enhanced images
:22:12. > :22:17.of friends and family. We are also more saturated than ever with
:22:18. > :22:24.glamorous idealised photos of models and celebrities, like these taken by
:22:25. > :22:32.photographer Rich Hardcast. Digital enhancement is a process in its own
:22:33. > :22:36.right. We no longer assume that a photograph represents what the
:22:37. > :22:43.camera saw. It is impossible but you will make me look more hand some.
:22:44. > :22:50.Removing obvious spots. And when we can go up. Some wrinkle lines.
:22:51. > :22:55.Bringing down the wrinkles on the forehead, like so. This is about
:22:56. > :22:59.where I would stop, personally. Because it looks like you. It sort
:23:00. > :23:04.of says something about you, you can see your laughter lines. But you
:23:05. > :23:07.know. That looks to me like a slightly improved version of how I
:23:08. > :23:14.am now. The photo was a bit unkind to me? It is the varnished truth we
:23:15. > :23:21.have here. If you didn't mind going beyond that. We can get rid of these
:23:22. > :23:24.lines around your eyes, like so. This is the original image that we
:23:25. > :23:29.had, and then there is this which you are starting to look a little
:23:30. > :23:34.bit like a freak! And you know, this is only the start, I mean you could
:23:35. > :23:41.go all out and make you look like you had the face of a baby! That
:23:42. > :23:44.would be the stuff of nightmares! Photoshop may be a recent
:23:45. > :23:50.phenomenon, but image enhancement is as old as the hills. I'm surrounded
:23:51. > :23:56.here by the 18th century equivalent of a Facebook page now. You have a
:23:57. > :24:01.circle of friends, who are all advertising their general
:24:02. > :24:07.fabulousness for all to see. Much in the way that Facebook today tends to
:24:08. > :24:12.encourage people to project a certain kind of uniformity. The
:24:13. > :24:19.fashions of time we can see from the pictures was a chubby face, velvets
:24:20. > :24:26.and pretty much all in ridiculous bouffant hair, except for this guy
:24:27. > :24:34.who didn't get the wig memo. Me my own paintings I try to do the
:24:35. > :24:47.opposite and bring out the I haddy -- I haddy sin crass -- id iOS
:24:48. > :24:50.yncraciess. There is also the use of Botox and fillers that communicate
:24:51. > :24:58.how we feel about each other in another way. I entered this portrait
:24:59. > :25:01.prize when there was one hundred entries and now there are thousands
:25:02. > :25:05.and the quality gets higher every year. I love this painting, there is
:25:06. > :25:08.something very empathetic about this figure sitting quietly contemplating
:25:09. > :25:14.something in his own life and invites us to do the same in a more
:25:15. > :25:21.studied and calm way perhaps than a photographic image. Nor has the
:25:22. > :25:31.imagined been enhanced by Photoshop, and glamorised to he suit an
:25:32. > :25:34.editorial and glamour agenda just the subject's agenda on coming
:25:35. > :25:39.across. I think it is very successful. I believe the loss of
:25:40. > :25:43.trust in photography is documentary medium, and the deliberate
:25:44. > :25:46.alteration of our physical appearance is some of the reasons
:25:47. > :25:51.behind the huge resurgence of a painting portrait. In a snapshot
:25:52. > :25:53.saturated world, people are looking to artists to reveal something
:25:54. > :25:58.deeper about their subject. In order to drive this forward we do need
:25:59. > :26:05.exhibitions like this one to help us find new and brilliant exponents of
:26:06. > :26:10.the genre. Jonathan is here along with a renowned photographer whose
:26:11. > :26:16.pictures of people like Barack Obama, Brad Pitt and others have
:26:17. > :26:23.been exhibited around the world. The camera can lie afterall? Of course
:26:24. > :26:29.the camera can lie, but I think that the truth is in the intervention. I
:26:30. > :26:34.think that all art is about the choices one makes. And I think,
:26:35. > :26:40.well, I totally agree that popular imagery, air brushes the shadow away
:26:41. > :26:43.from our lives. But one has to ring-fence this as popular imagery.
:26:44. > :26:47.This is advertising and it is not art, and I think what we are talking
:26:48. > :26:58.about is art and that is about point of view and one's, how one
:26:59. > :27:03.intervenes. Cromwell said that his portrait artist should paint him
:27:04. > :27:06.warts and all. But I bet your celebrity sitters don't say that to
:27:07. > :27:10.you, you are going along with this in a way? I think you would be
:27:11. > :27:16.surprised, if you think Cromwell existed at a time when artists would
:27:17. > :27:21.expect to cover all those things up. Nowadays, you know, you could have a
:27:22. > :27:28.portrait of you that covered up all the imperfections, but it would be
:27:29. > :27:33.contradicted by all the photographic evidence around it. You and the
:27:34. > :27:38.artist would look ridiculous. But it is more obvious if you are truthful
:27:39. > :27:42.or not these days. How do we know when a photographer has done this or
:27:43. > :27:49.not? There are lots and lots of bad paintings and lots and lots of bad
:27:50. > :27:53.photographs. I think that the point is that we have to be in
:27:54. > :27:59.relationship with our sitter, you enter into a relationship and that's
:28:00. > :28:04.nonverbal or how I'm feeling, everything that is behind me comes
:28:05. > :28:10.into the room as well. And how I see this person is how I will photograph
:28:11. > :28:13.them. And I might recognise in them vulnerability, envy or happiness,
:28:14. > :28:20.and all of these human conditions I would call them are what make a
:28:21. > :28:27.portrait interesting. I understand, but how do we know it is the
:28:28. > :28:32.unalloyed picture, or is there now an expectation that most pictures
:28:33. > :28:36.are in some way retouched? No I think in the popular media that's an
:28:37. > :28:43.expectation. But I don't think it is in art. Do you do it? I use
:28:44. > :28:47.Photoshop to enhance a jacket, to darken somebody's hair because I
:28:48. > :28:53.want to enhance a mood or something that I felt, or for that kind of
:28:54. > :29:02.way, it isn't that different to how I might have worked in the dark road
:29:03. > :29:06.map. Room. -- room. Has your profession been darkened by what has
:29:07. > :29:11.appeared in the glossy magazines? I think coming out of all of this
:29:12. > :29:15.popular imagery is a rebirth and better art will be made. I want you
:29:16. > :29:21.both to look at what is behind me, there is two representations here of
:29:22. > :29:24.a supermodel, Erin O'Connor, your black and white picture and your
:29:25. > :29:32.colour portrait of her. Why is black and white picture and your
:29:33. > :29:37.more honest than his photograph? I don't know that it is. I think a
:29:38. > :29:44.great portrait photograph does have a great honesty about it. I remember
:29:45. > :29:49.Owen saying at the time the reason -- Erin saying she wanted a portrait
:29:50. > :29:53.painted is because at that time in her life she was on magazines and
:29:54. > :29:57.everywhere she didn't feel it was her because there was editorial
:29:58. > :30:03.imposed on her. The photograph looks like her? That was a great
:30:04. > :30:08.photographer! I think it is not so much that, what has happened is our
:30:09. > :30:11.perception of what photography is has changed. That is an interesting
:30:12. > :30:17.point about using retouching because everyone does. Do you object that? I
:30:18. > :30:22.don't object it, most artists use photography, there is more crossover
:30:23. > :30:25.than there used to be. There is an expectation now that photographers
:30:26. > :30:30.are becoming artists and using it as a medium rather than being a
:30:31. > :30:35.separate entity. The devices I choose to use are the devices you
:30:36. > :30:37.might do, you might use a certain paint brush and use soft light, you
:30:38. > :30:43.might too. People paint brush and use soft light, you
:30:44. > :30:47.think there is plenty of room in the world for both. That is it for
:30:48. > :30:52.tonight because the 13-year-olds have to get to bed. If they are
:30:53. > :30:57.13-year-old there is a lot of under age drinking going on and they are
:30:58. > :31:05.not ageing well let me tell you. Something you have never heard
:31:06. > :31:13.before a new poem by Dylan Thomas read for the first time. And Tom
:31:14. > :31:19.Hollander played the part in the film marking his death. This appears
:31:20. > :31:26.to be a drinking song, dashed off the pub.
:31:27. > :31:30.When licensed to sell beer, wine and spirits and alcohol as well,
:31:31. > :31:35.advertised in the paper he would open that night his own hotel the
:31:36. > :31:42.town had a fright. He wept like a baby and took to his bed. Mrs Lil
:31:43. > :31:46.Jenkins of the old pig and swill sacked all the barmaids and was sick
:31:47. > :31:50.in the till. In every saloon and public too there was such a
:31:51. > :31:54.commotion than nobody knew, for the licensed for all, drinking and
:31:55. > :32:04.smoking by men small and tall had decided to call his hotel the
:32:05. > :32:07.Liberty Fliberty Giberty Hall Hotel. The drinks were all free and
:32:08. > :32:13.cigarettes as well in the brand new hotel. There were no set hours,
:32:14. > :32:19.there were no decrees and nobody shouted "time gentlemen please". For
:32:20. > :32:26.in this splendid place, no gentleman ever disgraced our fair race, there
:32:27. > :32:29.was nothing to pay, and nothing to lose, in the Buckingham Palace of
:32:30. > :32:32.booze.