:00:00. > :00:00.and behaved in an outrageous way, it is amazing it didn't go out. It was
:00:00. > :00:07.kept a secret by the Labour whips. He's dead now. He's not here to
:00:08. > :00:12.defend himself. There were allegations going on, some DLEEP
:00:13. > :00:17.unsavoury, potentially as you have said might be considered illegal now
:00:18. > :00:23.and some may have been illegal then, as whips they were in the "dirt
:00:24. > :00:26.book"? I never heard any of the allegations like Geoffrey Dickens
:00:27. > :00:35.might have reported. But certainly the kind of behaviour which in the
:00:36. > :00:39.finale Evans case -- Nigel Evans case, he was not convicted of a
:00:40. > :00:42.criminal offence, but his behaviour in the bars of the House of Commons
:00:43. > :00:46.at the time was cause for comment. It was not criminal behaviour and
:00:47. > :00:53.nothing like the paedophile stuff. But it was that kind of thing you
:00:54. > :00:58.would find in the "dirt book". Was there anything you discovered as a
:00:59. > :01:02.whip that you kept secret that you ought to have said something at the
:01:03. > :01:05.time? I plead not guilty. I will save that for my memoirs. Thank you
:01:06. > :01:10.very much for coming in. It is the humbling of a giant, World
:01:11. > :01:14.Cup hosts Brazil tonight suffered one of the most humiliating defeats
:01:15. > :01:21.in World Cup history. Crashing out of the semifinal 7-1. What's worse
:01:22. > :01:24.in front of their own fans. The BBC South America correspondent is in
:01:25. > :01:32.Rio. How are the commiserations going?
:01:33. > :01:37.Words like "humiliation" and "embarrassment" are the ones being
:01:38. > :01:41.put out now. This is one of the fan fests in Rio where thousands have
:01:42. > :01:45.come expecting the inevitable march towards the final. Only the second
:01:46. > :01:49.time the World Cup has been held in Brazil. The last time they were
:01:50. > :01:54.humiliated, they didn't expect it again this time. Losing 7-1 to an
:01:55. > :01:58.all-powerful German side. A lot of people were leaving at half time,
:01:59. > :02:03.leaving the stadium at half time, and the inquest will start tomorrow.
:02:04. > :02:06.I'm sure there will be resignations. The big question is what kind of
:02:07. > :02:11.anger there will be. Remember this had been an unpopular World Cup to
:02:12. > :02:16.start w and that unpopularity had given way to outportion of public
:02:17. > :02:19.happiness as Brazil progressed in the tournament. This will come as a
:02:20. > :02:22.huge humiliation tonight in a country where football he means so
:02:23. > :02:26.much. Thank you very much. We're joined in
:02:27. > :02:34.the studio by the Times sports columnist. Goodness me, what will
:02:35. > :02:38.happen next? I think it is the most graphic capitulation I have ever
:02:39. > :02:42.seen in sport. When you consider the enority of the occasion and the
:02:43. > :02:47.amount of -- enormity of the occasion and the amount of money
:02:48. > :02:50.invested in the stadiums, and the amount of passion from the people.
:02:51. > :02:54.It was not just the scoreline it was the manner of the defeat, it was a
:02:55. > :02:59.psychological capitulation, there were passaged in the first half
:03:00. > :03:04.where there was abdication of technique and strategy. I think this
:03:05. > :03:07.will hurt for a very long time. Brazilians often interpret the world
:03:08. > :03:12.through sporting iconography, the way we think of 1966, not Harold
:03:13. > :03:17.Wilson winning the general election, but the World Cup triumph. 2014 will
:03:18. > :03:21.always be remembered in Brazil for probably a moment of most graphic
:03:22. > :03:26.humiliation. Will it change the way the rest of the world looks at the
:03:27. > :03:30.World Cup. For Brazil it is such a huge event, and big pressure on them
:03:31. > :03:34.to do well. Will it change all of that? It won't change how we look at
:03:35. > :03:40.the World Cup, it is part of the rich and vivid tapestry of sport.
:03:41. > :03:44.You get these interesting narratives. It won't change the
:03:45. > :03:49.World Cup but it may change the way Brazil thinks of itself. Perhaps
:03:50. > :03:53.wrongly football is held up by football mad nations as a barometer
:03:54. > :03:57.of the self-esteem of the nation. Brazil will find it very difficult,
:03:58. > :04:00.even though they have bigger challenges than football, social and
:04:01. > :04:08.economic division, this will really hurt. It may lead to a very deep,
:04:09. > :04:15.elongated and rather difficult postmortem. For bra still this has
:04:16. > :04:20.-- Brazil, this has been an unhappy episode, riots, and demonstrations
:04:21. > :04:24.and huge pressure for the Government for caring for football and wanting
:04:25. > :04:30.to spend so much on an event like this? Since it has started is a real
:04:31. > :04:34.carnival, some people have been struck by the adoration for
:04:35. > :04:38.football. They have been terrific hosts. There is less affection for
:04:39. > :04:41.the Brazilian people, they haven't played the beautiful game. They have
:04:42. > :04:44.been cynical and aggressive. I don't think people will mourn the
:04:45. > :04:49.disappearance of that particular team. But a lot of us, I really felt
:04:50. > :04:54.this watching on the box at home, I felt very sorry for the people who
:04:55. > :04:59.wanted it so much. They rather joyfully started "ole-ing" the
:05:00. > :05:05.Germans in the second half. There was gallows humour which I admire,
:05:06. > :05:12.but a lot of tearful people. Brazilian fans leaving at half time,
:05:13. > :05:15.that is completely incongruous with the sport and how much it is loved
:05:16. > :05:20.in Latin America? That is a good indication of how Woulfe the first
:05:21. > :05:24.half was. You rarely get to the half time of a football match where hope
:05:25. > :05:28.has completely dissipated. They were obliterated in the first half. There
:05:29. > :05:39.was an unusual sense in the second half that the Germans were some how
:05:40. > :05:42.apologetic. Even though sport is Darwinian, there was a sense that
:05:43. > :05:49.they wanted the Brazilians to do better. The Germans, oddly, will
:05:50. > :05:53.take some comfort in the fact that at least Brazil got a goal. At least
:05:54. > :05:57.they won't feel guilty about it. This will be poured over for many
:05:58. > :06:01.days, of course which commentators in the papers, but in your view,
:06:02. > :06:04.having watched the match tonight, what was it that actually went so
:06:05. > :06:09.badly wrong? Every now and again there is what is sometimes called in
:06:10. > :06:14.sport a psychological contagion. You get it in betting collapses, one,
:06:15. > :06:18.two, wickets go down and the fourth person who comes in is already a
:06:19. > :06:22.state of panic before facing the first ball. There was a real vivid
:06:23. > :06:26.sense of that happening in the second goal. They didn't know what
:06:27. > :06:30.they were doing and had lost all sense of the strategic importance of
:06:31. > :06:38.where the ball was on the pitch. That is what made it so humiliating.
:06:39. > :06:42.Just a brief word from Rio, from Pele's ghost writing from his
:06:43. > :06:47.biography. What will Pele think tonight? What will Pele be thinking?
:06:48. > :06:53.Well he will be devastated like all of Brazil is. As you can see I'm
:06:54. > :06:59.here at the beach, it is raining cats and dogs. The feeling of
:07:00. > :07:04.mystery and rain and grimness is really everywhere. I think people
:07:05. > :07:09.here, rather than being angry yet, are just completely shocked and they
:07:10. > :07:15.were upset at the first few goals, but in the second half, the sixth
:07:16. > :07:21.German goal they were laughing but the seventh they were cheering, what
:07:22. > :07:25.else is there to do but to cheer fantastic German side. And briefly,
:07:26. > :07:29.what do you think the response will be from the Brazilians in the coming
:07:30. > :07:34.days in terms of their football team, how will they put things back
:07:35. > :07:37.together? There will have to be you know some grassroots change. What
:07:38. > :07:41.essentially has happened today is this feeling that the nation, which
:07:42. > :07:46.was the nation of the beautiful game, that this is dead. I was
:07:47. > :07:50.asking a few people on the street saying what were you feeling and
:07:51. > :07:53.they were saying it is gone, it is gone. The magic this country used to
:07:54. > :07:57.have is gone. That is the feeling, so football here is more than just a
:07:58. > :08:01.game of sports. People will be thinking as a nation we are some how
:08:02. > :08:09.defeated, some how in what we are and trying to do that is what will
:08:10. > :08:13.be stuff. Peop tend to remember the defeat more than the victory and
:08:14. > :08:17.this will be remembered for decades. Thank you very much for joining us.
:08:18. > :08:22.Literally from the beach, strange things have happened today. Brazil
:08:23. > :08:28.just haven't lost 7-1 it is also raining in Rio. The news is running
:08:29. > :08:31.late on BBC One. Almost it from us. We leave you with the news that the
:08:32. > :08:36.Chancellor and the Foreign Secretary were in India today, and they took
:08:37. > :08:40.the opportunity to announce that a new statue of Gandhi will be erected
:08:41. > :08:45.in our Parliament Square. Mr Hague called him a towering inspiration.
:08:46. > :08:51.It is worth rembering back in the 1920 its the mother of parliament
:08:52. > :08:56.was a bit less taken with him. Gandhi and other political prisoners
:08:57. > :08:58.have only themselves to blame for the predicament in which they find
:08:59. > :09:31.themselves today. Is it not true that the fact remains
:09:32. > :09:59.that After day that has brought us fierce
:10:00. > :10:03.thunderstorms, tomorrow's prospects look very different. A dry day with
:10:04. > :10:07.plenty of sunshine. Some cloud building close to the North Sea
:10:08. > :10:11.coast as the day goes on. The wind strengthening considerably here too,
:10:12. > :10:16.gusting up to gale force in the second half of the day. The day as a
:10:17. > :10:17.whole the west will be best for sunny weather,