:00:13. > :00:16.Miliband. Well, look, you know and I know I'm not from central casting.
:00:17. > :00:24.You can find people who are more square jawed, who look less like
:00:25. > :00:29.Wallis. The Labour leader lays bare his image problem and admits he's
:00:30. > :00:35.awkward on camera. Will the public agree with him. The slowest recovery
:00:36. > :00:38.for 100 years or the day they declare the economy booming. Are you
:00:39. > :00:43.better off than you were six years ago. We talk to the Chancellor,
:00:44. > :00:47.George Osborne. I'm the first to say today is not the day where we say
:00:48. > :00:55.job done, it is the day we resolve to do more, so yes, people feel
:00:56. > :01:16.prosperity. We have our Newsnight proms in the studio.
:01:17. > :01:21.Good evening, telling people you look like a cartoon character was
:01:22. > :01:25.always going to be gamble. Reminding people of awkward photo moments can
:01:26. > :01:30.go both ways too. What Ed Miliband did today was brave, confronting his
:01:31. > :01:35.critics face on, he admitted PR was not battle he often won. He said he
:01:36. > :01:40.hoped people looked for more than chisel good looks from a Prime
:01:41. > :01:47.Minister, the public have learned to like Labour's policy but will they
:01:48. > :01:54.love Ed, will voters come away refreshed by his honesty, or hear a
:01:55. > :02:00.man who hasn't convinced him he's a leader.
:02:01. > :02:03.Plenty of people have said it before, Ed Miliband doesn't always
:02:04. > :02:09.look good in a photo. He can come across a bit awkward, a bit, well,
:02:10. > :02:14.strange. The strange thing today was not that someone was saying this
:02:15. > :02:20.again, but that person was none other than Ed Miliband himself. This
:02:21. > :02:23.was billed as an important speech launching Labour's summer campaign,
:02:24. > :02:27.Ed Miliband looked pretty uncomfortable as he waited to go on.
:02:28. > :02:33.This was afterall a bold move to focus on his failings in an attempt
:02:34. > :02:40.to neutralise them. I'm not from central casting, you can find people
:02:41. > :02:48.who are more square-jawed. More chiselled, who look less like
:02:49. > :02:54.Wallace! And I even believe, I even believe that you could probably find
:02:55. > :03:05.people who look better eating a bacon sandwich! If you want the
:03:06. > :03:11.politician from central casting it's just not me. It's the other guy.
:03:12. > :03:16.This was, of course a dig at David Cameron, Labour has long sought to
:03:17. > :03:20.cast him as the slick insubstantial PR guy. But in the process Ed
:03:21. > :03:25.Miliband is guarnteeing that every newspaper, bulletin and blog will
:03:26. > :03:30.show endless unflattering photos of him portrayed at Wallace, or going
:03:31. > :03:33.head-to-head with bacon sandwich and losing. Or any number of shots in
:03:34. > :03:37.which he doesn't look like everyone's idea of a world's
:03:38. > :03:41.statesman in waiting. Leaders with low personal ratings are caught in a
:03:42. > :03:44.Catch 22 situation, they can either pretend they don't exist and get on
:03:45. > :03:48.with it, but that doesn't work. Because it becomes a permanent
:03:49. > :03:53.theme. Or they try to address it. And in trying to address it today I
:03:54. > :03:56.think Ed Miliband did it quite effectively by framing the debate
:03:57. > :04:02.about leadership between seriousness, him, and the guy who is
:04:03. > :04:08.good at photo opportunities but is quite hypocritical in his values,
:04:09. > :04:11.Cameron. Mr Miliband clearly believes the rehashing of all these
:04:12. > :04:15.odd-looking pictures, here is another one, is a price worth
:04:16. > :04:19.paying, if, as he told me in answer to a question after the speech he
:04:20. > :04:23.can change the way we think about politics and leadership. You know
:04:24. > :04:26.David the honest feeling I have about this is thank goodness, let's
:04:27. > :04:31.have this debate, it is not just about me, frankly, this has been a
:04:32. > :04:34.long time coming, and if we don't have this debate now we will have to
:04:35. > :04:37.have it at some point. Is politics really in touch with what people
:04:38. > :04:41.want from our politics. Other politicians have tried to neutralise
:04:42. > :04:47.image problems too by acknowledging them. Iain Duncan Smith knew he
:04:48. > :04:50.couldn't compete with the volume generated by Tony Blair, instead he
:04:51. > :05:01.tried to cast himself as something different. Do not underestimate the
:05:02. > :05:04.determination of a quiet man. Gordon Brown feared comparisons with
:05:05. > :05:09.Mr Blair and David Cameron, his response, not flash, just Gordon,
:05:10. > :05:14.and incidentally not successful. Will it work for Ed Miliband? It
:05:15. > :05:17.will appeal to some people. But the bigger problems is that most people
:05:18. > :05:21.have already decided, they have decided some time ago. You have been
:05:22. > :05:24.in leader of the opposition for four or five years, they are not just
:05:25. > :05:32.suddenly going to say, he has told me to look at him differently, now I
:05:33. > :05:38.will. Of the The problem was put by Ronald Regan succinctly, if you are
:05:39. > :05:44.explaining, you are losing. No more photo opportunities like this one,
:05:45. > :05:47.we shall see. Time is not on Ed Miliband's side, just a few short
:05:48. > :05:50.months to convince voters to change their assessment of him and what a
:05:51. > :05:56.Prime Minister should look like. Joining us now is Lucy Powell a
:05:57. > :06:01.Labour shadow minister who ran Ed Miliband's 2010 leadership campaign.
:06:02. > :06:04.And Phil Collins of the Times, Tony Blair's former speech writer. As
:06:05. > :06:08.David was saying it is a license for every broadcaster to run 100 bad
:06:09. > :06:11.photos of Ed Miliband, do you think it will change anything Phil? I
:06:12. > :06:15.doubt there are many people who haven't made up their mind about Ed
:06:16. > :06:19.Miliband. I also think that it is never true that anyone who has an
:06:20. > :06:23.image problem doesn't have a real problem underneath it I think the
:06:24. > :06:29.idea that you can separate an image problem from an actual problem is an
:06:30. > :06:33.illusion. The image is a convinced form of reality. What the image is
:06:34. > :06:37.telling you is something genuine about the way people think. People
:06:38. > :06:40.are not idiots, they don't fall for an image that is entirely false. So
:06:41. > :06:45.when you get things like the bacon sandwich, it is not that anyone
:06:46. > :06:49.thinks eating bacon sandwiches a test of political virility, they are
:06:50. > :06:57.thinking this is a visual metaphor for significant thought already,
:06:58. > :07:01.which is I don't regard this man as prime ministerial? Why? Not because
:07:02. > :07:04.of the bacon sandwich, but the test that the Labour Party has to pass on
:07:05. > :07:08.running the nation, in particular the economy. There was the Regan
:07:09. > :07:13.phrase, if you are explaining you are losing, which in essence is what
:07:14. > :07:18.Phil said, if you have to come on to a stage and say you are not very
:07:19. > :07:21.good as a PR man, you have lost them already? The bulk of the speech was
:07:22. > :07:24.talking about the positive things he brings to the table I think they are
:07:25. > :07:27.the things that fundamentally are the things that people want to see
:07:28. > :07:31.in a Prime Minister. You know what is it that we're actually asking for
:07:32. > :07:35.from a Prime Minister? Do we want somebody who gets up every morning
:07:36. > :07:39.thinking what can I do today to help Labour win the election and to
:07:40. > :07:42.change the country or do we want somebody who will get up in the
:07:43. > :07:46.morning and worry what they will look like in a contrived photo
:07:47. > :07:52.opportunity situation that day? So I think what Ed offers, which is a big
:07:53. > :07:56.vision, which is good policies about really fundamentally changing this
:07:57. > :08:01.country so people who work two jobs don't have to go down to a foodbank
:08:02. > :08:06.every day to get their meals. Or are we worried about how we eat a bacon
:08:07. > :08:09.sandwich, which is ridiculous. You ran Ed Miliband's campaign, this was
:08:10. > :08:12.what four years ago now, we are coming up to an election in May, did
:08:13. > :08:19.you realise, did you ever spy that this might be a problem. That he is
:08:20. > :08:23.now admitting, we're putting it out in the open, did you see that? This
:08:24. > :08:28.is not different from what we have always known about Ed and what he
:08:29. > :08:32.has said about himself. He is by his own admission that is a guy that is
:08:33. > :08:35.more interested in policy, principle and conviction. When you are taking
:08:36. > :08:39.on Phil's point there, that is what the public actually say about Ed,
:08:40. > :08:42.they think he is a man of principle and man of conviction. They think he
:08:43. > :08:46.is a man who has good policies and the right ideas. What about
:08:47. > :08:49.authenticity, do they believe in him. Why does he become Labour
:08:50. > :08:56.leader and then feel the urge to get married the next month? I don't
:08:57. > :08:58.think it is true, Lucy, I think that nobody who supported Ed Miliband
:08:59. > :09:03.would have thought that four years on he would have to make this
:09:04. > :09:08.speech. If you remember at the time the thing about his leadership bid,
:09:09. > :09:12.he was someone who could connect directly with the people. That is
:09:13. > :09:15.turned out not to be true. I don't disagree what you said about the
:09:16. > :09:21.substantive questions, the question is whether he can be the messenger
:09:22. > :09:26.for the messages. I think it is clear that he clearly cannot. I
:09:27. > :09:28.disagree, there are two reasons why I backed Ed Miliband to be leader
:09:29. > :09:33.the Labour Party and so many other people did, firstly, I think he
:09:34. > :09:35.understood better than any of the other contenders at the time about
:09:36. > :09:38.the fundamental change we needed to see in our economy and politics in
:09:39. > :09:42.this country which, I think other people thought we could just have
:09:43. > :09:46.one more go, one more heave of the same with a new cast. When you look
:09:47. > :09:49.at the policies and the poll, the policies do well, the leader does
:09:50. > :09:55.not. Don't you feel you backed the wrong horse? I I absolutely do not,
:09:56. > :09:58.I'm incredibly proud of what Ed has done over the last four years, I
:09:59. > :10:02.know I will make extremely good Prime Minister. The issues he's
:10:03. > :10:06.talking about are the issues that I get on the doorstep, they are the
:10:07. > :10:09.issues people are interested in. Honestly are we really going to
:10:10. > :10:13.decide who is the Prime Minister of this country on the basis of whether
:10:14. > :10:17.you stand awkwardly when you are at a nursery or whether you are eating
:10:18. > :10:20.a bacon sandwich. That is the question that is on tonight? Nobody
:10:21. > :10:24.is thinking of it like that. It is unfortunate to say the least that he
:10:25. > :10:30.made this speech on the day which the economy recovered to the size it
:10:31. > :10:33.has since the 2008 crash. What the visual representations of his
:10:34. > :10:36.weakness tell us is people don't think Labour can be trusted with the
:10:37. > :10:40.economy. There are two weaknesses the Labour Party have had since Ed
:10:41. > :10:44.became leader, one is the question of leadership and the second
:10:45. > :10:47.economic competence. They are totally linked, this speech was an
:10:48. > :10:50.attempt to separate the two, as if you can have leadership over there,
:10:51. > :10:53.as if it is leadership not about anything in particular, it is
:10:54. > :10:57.leadership about the economy. Labour is miles behind on the economy.
:10:58. > :11:02.Until he does a second speech which is a me cull a on the economy, there
:11:03. > :11:06.is no way this can have an impact. He's trying to separate it, did you
:11:07. > :11:10.ever write Tony Blair a speech that put weaknesses on the table that
:11:11. > :11:14.said, here you are. Yes, you do it all the time. I completely
:11:15. > :11:17.understand the imperative behind the speech, I don't think it was a bad
:11:18. > :11:20.speech in that sense, it was the right thing to do. What were the
:11:21. > :11:24.weaknesses you laid bare for Tony Blair? There were loads of them,
:11:25. > :11:29.they were ages ago and often economic. That is the one that is
:11:30. > :11:32.what we are talking about tonight. Are you saying that a good speech
:11:33. > :11:35.means you get away with it and people don't talk about it? A good
:11:36. > :11:39.speech always confronts the weakness. It always cites the
:11:40. > :11:44.opposing case. Like what? And puts it very strongly. Labour, you go
:11:45. > :11:47.back to the beginning of Blair's time, Labour were considered to be
:11:48. > :11:52.extremely weak on the economy, between them Blair and Brown
:11:53. > :11:55.entirely neutralised that objection. On crime Labour did the same thing.
:11:56. > :11:58.At the moment Labour is extremely weak on the economy of economic
:11:59. > :12:01.competence, and you cannot have a speech about leadership which,
:12:02. > :12:05.doesn't go straight to economic competence. This speech tried to
:12:06. > :12:15.separate those two things. I don't think it did. And Ed Balls were was
:12:16. > :12:18.the cabinet, Ed Balls was making mass plastacine figures at a school?
:12:19. > :12:23.The fundamental debate in this country is about the economy, who is
:12:24. > :12:26.sharing and benefitting in the proceeds of growth in the figure
:12:27. > :12:30.West see today, is it a few at the top who are doing very nicely out of
:12:31. > :12:34.this recovery, or is it ordinary people like I represent. It is not
:12:35. > :12:37.ordinary people I represent, who have two incomes coming into the
:12:38. > :12:41.household and can't afford to buy a school uniform for their kids. Or
:12:42. > :12:44.who have a job and it is not a route out of poverty. Ed Miliband is
:12:45. > :12:47.addressing these big issues, and I think that is something we want to
:12:48. > :12:51.see in a Prime Minister. Not someone who is worried getting up in the
:12:52. > :13:02.morning, and worrying about how they can contriumph a situation to make
:13:03. > :13:07.them -- -- contrive a situation. Ronald Regan brought up the question
:13:08. > :13:11.of how much better off are people when they wake up. The Chancellor's
:13:12. > :13:17.figures say the economy is back to where it was in two OK 008, some
:13:18. > :13:22.would say better. But there are stagnating wages and an on going
:13:23. > :13:26.struggle about the deficit. How would you answer the Regan question
:13:27. > :13:29.and how solid are the economics underneath. We interviewed the
:13:30. > :13:34.Chancellor in Newcastle. GDP, the overall size of the economy
:13:35. > :13:39.grew by zero. 8% in the most recent quarter, it is up three. 1% in the
:13:40. > :13:42.last year, and yesterday the IMF forecast that this year the UK would
:13:43. > :13:49.grow faster than any other advanced economy. The big news is that the
:13:50. > :13:55.economy is finally returned to its prerecession peak. But the sector
:13:56. > :13:58.level is a different story. Services passed the peak in 2013, but
:13:59. > :14:02.construction and production are well below six years ago. While the
:14:03. > :14:06.nation's income is back to its previous size, that is not yet the
:14:07. > :14:09.case for individual incomes. That is simply because the money is spread
:14:10. > :14:15.around a much larger population than it was six years ago. And compared
:14:16. > :14:19.to the periods immediately after the 1980s and 1990s' recession, this
:14:20. > :14:24.recovery has been historically slow. Why has it taken our economy so long
:14:25. > :14:27.to return to where it was in 2008? Thanks to the hard work of the
:14:28. > :14:30.British people we have reached a major milestone in our long-term
:14:31. > :14:36.economic plan, but I'm the first to say that the job is isn't done. That
:14:37. > :14:40.a great recession has had a huge impact on the United Kingdom, and
:14:41. > :14:43.let us resolve not to repeat the mistakes of the past but go on
:14:44. > :14:46.working to plan that is delivering greater economic security for
:14:47. > :14:51.people, that is delivering a brighter future for all. If we look
:14:52. > :14:55.at the public sector finance figures which came out earlier this week, we
:14:56. > :15:00.see income tax receipts were up by less than 3% in the last year. But
:15:01. > :15:06.stamp duty receipts were up more than ho %, 40 -- 40%, does that tell
:15:07. > :15:09.us about the nature of the recovery? Jobs are created all over the
:15:10. > :15:13.country. In the north-east of England we had the fastest rate of
:15:14. > :15:18.job creation than any part of the country. 5,000 jobs, that is
:15:19. > :15:20.economic security for families. Of -- 65,000 jobs. That is economic
:15:21. > :15:24.security for families. The economy will grow and we can take a
:15:25. > :15:27.realistic assessment of what the country can afford and the deficit
:15:28. > :15:31.comes down. At the heart of the economic plan is restoring
:15:32. > :15:34.confidence in the UK, creating jobs and growing our economy, but of
:15:35. > :15:38.course there is much more to do. That fact that income tax is growing
:15:39. > :15:42.so slowly, stamp duty associated with the housing market is growing
:15:43. > :15:46.so quickly, it tells us something, it tells us that people's income
:15:47. > :15:50.growth has been weak, but the housing market is up 20% in London,
:15:51. > :15:53.10% nationwide, is this the kind of recovery we wanted? What I'm
:15:54. > :15:56.passionate about is people having economic security, people who didn't
:15:57. > :15:59.have jobs having jobs. That is what the recovery is delivering. But
:16:00. > :16:03.Britain has got to earn its way in the future. We have to export more,
:16:04. > :16:09.we have to invest more. We have to make sure that the business like
:16:10. > :16:12.where I was yesterday in Stockton, that business, a small manufacturing
:16:13. > :16:17.business is able to sell its wares all over the world. That is what I'm
:16:18. > :16:21.working on. That is the long-term economic plan. As you said lots of
:16:22. > :16:26.people in work, record numbers in employment, that is very, very good
:16:27. > :16:32.news, but you know the downside has been productivity, output per hour,
:16:33. > :16:35.how productive people have is weak since 2008, that is a big
:16:36. > :16:38.medium-term challenge when you talk about the long-term plan. What are
:16:39. > :16:46.you going to do about productivity? I agree with you, productivity is a
:16:47. > :16:48.long-term plan, I would rather have the productivity challenge than the
:16:49. > :16:53.long-term unemployment like in the past. In the end the country can
:16:54. > :16:56.only be productive if we are improving skills and education, and
:16:57. > :17:00.we are delivering that with reforms. If at the same time the economic
:17:01. > :17:03.infrastructure of the country is being improved, cities like here in
:17:04. > :17:08.Newcastle should be part of a northern powerhouse where we bring
:17:09. > :17:12.real transport connections for the future here. So these are all the
:17:13. > :17:17.things we can do to improve our productivity. But for me this is
:17:18. > :17:20.further evidence of why we have to go on working through the plan.
:17:21. > :17:25.Things like productivity, things like the imbalance in our economy,
:17:26. > :17:28.things like the fact that our education system continues to need
:17:29. > :17:32.to improve. These are all future challenges. Looks at the IMF
:17:33. > :17:36.forecast yesterday, excellent news for the upgrades for the UK, but in
:17:37. > :17:42.general global growth was revised down by the IMF, and big downward
:17:43. > :17:47.revision, a lot of challenges in the world economy, Russia, Ukraine,
:17:48. > :17:52.southern Europe, could this blow us off course? I thought the IMF
:17:53. > :17:55.forecasts were revealing, because it said Britain was growing faster than
:17:56. > :17:59.any other major western economy. That is due to the long-term plan we
:18:00. > :18:03.are pursuing. But also, as you point out, in the rest of the world,
:18:04. > :18:09.unfortunately, the economy is not as strong as we would hope. On the
:18:10. > :18:12.continent of Europe, in the eurozone it is weak. That is a challenge for
:18:13. > :18:16.the UK. We are an open and global economy. What it says do me is we
:18:17. > :18:21.need to redouble our links with the Chinas, the Indias of this world, so
:18:22. > :18:26.that we export more to the faster-growing parts of our economy.
:18:27. > :18:29.In the world. That is what I'm determined to do, I was in India a
:18:30. > :18:36.few weeks ago. That is how you deal with the challenge of a slower of
:18:37. > :18:42.growing Europe. You said this week that the economic should be bearing
:18:43. > :18:46.economic pain by imposing sanctions on Russia, how much pain should he
:18:47. > :18:50.be prepared to bear? The situation in the Ukraine is troubling not just
:18:51. > :18:53.for the people of Ukraine but the whole international community and
:18:54. > :18:57.the UK. There is an economic cost from sanctions, I won't pretend
:18:58. > :18:59.otherwise. You have to consider the economic cost of allowing a
:19:00. > :19:03.situation where international borders are ignored. Where
:19:04. > :19:07.commercial airlines and innocent people are shot out of the sky. That
:19:08. > :19:11.is a much greater economic risk for the UK. We will act with our
:19:12. > :19:14.European partners and American partners to impose sanctions where
:19:15. > :19:20.they are necessary, to make sure that Russia complies with the norms
:19:21. > :19:25.of international law. At this point in the Gaza crisis
:19:26. > :19:30.even a 12-hour cease-fire has to be hard fought. As we came on air a
:19:31. > :19:35.senior Israeli had told the BBC they were considering one day's truce
:19:36. > :19:39.starting tomorrow, Hamas has ly agreed, we are reading that in the
:19:40. > :19:44.last few minutes. John Kerry is pushing for seven days, an ambition
:19:45. > :19:50.that seems elusive given the events of the last 18 days, on the day of
:19:51. > :19:55.rage the death toll continued to rise, more in Gaza and the West
:19:56. > :20:01.Bank. As Ramadan draws to a close, France will have a meeting to seek
:20:02. > :20:06.peace. Turkey may hold the role that Egypt once held as mediators. John
:20:07. > :20:12.Kerry said he still hoped for a seven-day humanitarian truce for
:20:13. > :20:17.next week's Eid festival, but there was terminology to work through.
:20:18. > :20:22.More than 800 Palestinians, mostly civilians and 36 Israelis have died
:20:23. > :20:25.since the start of the conflict 18 days ago.
:20:26. > :20:31.Palestinian leaders called for day of rage, in protest at the death of
:20:32. > :20:36.civilians. Fighting continued throughout the day in Gaza and in
:20:37. > :20:39.the West Bank. Hamas is yet to respond to the proposed cease-fire,
:20:40. > :20:43.but its leaders have already said the group won't agree to a deal
:20:44. > :20:46.without an end to Israel's blockade. In a statement tonight Israel's
:20:47. > :20:51.Defence Minister said the country may soon broaden its ground
:20:52. > :20:54.operation there. The efforts to broker a lasting cease-fire have
:20:55. > :21:01.been complicated by the recent breakdown of the national unity
:21:02. > :21:04.Government of Fatah and Hamas. Fatah's commission for international
:21:05. > :21:08.relations join us from Ramallah. There is a small window for
:21:09. > :21:12.optimisim, but do you look at Hamas and its position of strength and
:21:13. > :21:22.think that their tactics appear to be working better? Let me state I'm
:21:23. > :21:27.relieved for the 12 hours n our situation that would mean saving the
:21:28. > :21:32.lives of tens and hundreds, primarily children. The UN
:21:33. > :21:36.statistics today showed every hour we lose a Palestinian child because
:21:37. > :21:41.of the Israeli bombardment and the guided missiles, so in these 12
:21:42. > :21:45.hours we would have saved 12 Palestinian children. As for the
:21:46. > :21:48.long-term prospects for this, let me also state three crucial facts right
:21:49. > :21:51.from the beginning. First this is not Israel's war against Hamas. This
:21:52. > :21:58.is really Israel's war against the Palestinian people. It did not start
:21:59. > :22:03.in Gaza but in the West Bank, and after that incident which still has
:22:04. > :22:08.so many question marks next to it, the disappearance of the three
:22:09. > :22:12.settlers. The second fact, this is not about really a truce here or a
:22:13. > :22:17.truce there. Israel started and imposed this war on us in our
:22:18. > :22:19.entirety, and lastly this is not about rockets it is about
:22:20. > :22:23.occupation, it is about the denial of basic rights. And therefore to
:22:24. > :22:26.put things into perspective, not to be lost in the details is important
:22:27. > :22:30.for the discussion, please go ahead. Absolutely, I just want to look at
:22:31. > :22:33.the role that Hamas is playing, they seem to be completely dominating
:22:34. > :22:38.negotiations at the moment, and I wonder whether you think you are
:22:39. > :22:44.moving towards the Hamas line now? No, I don't think the calculation is
:22:45. > :22:47.such. This is not a rivalry between Fatah and Hamas, both Fatah and
:22:48. > :22:52.Hamas are targeted, the Israeli missiles that come from the most
:22:53. > :22:55.sophisticated army and the most sophisticated air force does not
:22:56. > :22:59.really distinguish between this Hamas family or that Hamas or Fatah
:23:00. > :23:04.family. They wipe out entire families and some of them or even
:23:05. > :23:09.most of them are civilians non-Hamas and non-Fatah, some of them are
:23:10. > :23:12.Fatah, all of us on the occupied terrorists realise this is
:23:13. > :23:15.Netenyahu's onslaught on us, first it was Netenyahu's coup d'etat
:23:16. > :23:19.against our national unity Government which was only struck a
:23:20. > :23:23.few days before the Hebron incident. It was his attempt... The division,
:23:24. > :23:28.from the outside world, people have looked at Fatah and said you can
:23:29. > :23:31.negotiate better with Israel without Hamas being part of the
:23:32. > :23:36.negotiations. Do you see yourself as more compromised now, you have to
:23:37. > :23:38.move towards Hamas if you want solidarity for the Palestinian
:23:39. > :23:47.people. You have to move towards Israel if you want peace? Emily your
:23:48. > :23:51.question is the main point here is the Hamas-Fatah relationship, there
:23:52. > :23:56.is no Hamas rockets in the West Bank and yet the Israeli army have reeked
:23:57. > :24:06.havoc here in the last four or five weeks. Five Palestinians were
:24:07. > :24:09.murdered today, an Israeli settler decided to spray those leaving the
:24:10. > :24:14.mosque. There is no rockets in the West Bank, the only difference is in
:24:15. > :24:19.the West Bank we have a sweeping colonisation, and theft of land
:24:20. > :24:24.right in fronted of the cameras, this is not about Hamas. Thank you,
:24:25. > :24:31.your point very well made. Thank you very much for joining us, we have
:24:32. > :24:36.just run out of time. If you want to know what twitch ask
:24:37. > :24:42.a 14-year-old. The gaming site is on the verge of being bought by Google
:24:43. > :24:47.for $14 billion, it makes no sense until you realise the site has 45
:24:48. > :24:51.million dedicated gamers and more traffic than Amazon. It allows
:24:52. > :24:55.others to watch others playing games. Why would you want to? This
:24:56. > :25:00.is going well out of control. Who would want to watch teenagers just
:25:01. > :25:06.clicking away, playing their video games all night. Good pass, just you
:25:07. > :25:10.know so good. It turns out that number runs into millions. Twitch is
:25:11. > :25:14.a service that lets gamers broadcast what is on their screen, live to
:25:15. > :25:19.huge audiences around the world. Now Google is rumoured to be snapping it
:25:20. > :25:23.up for a billion dollars. One of its largest-ever deals. Google already
:25:24. > :25:28.owns YouTube and advertising on video, on-line on YouTube is already
:25:29. > :25:33.a big business. It is just seeing that Twitch is growing like a weed
:25:34. > :25:37.in the on-line video space. But cracking something that it has not
:25:38. > :25:41.done before, which is this live streaming, it really wants a slice
:25:42. > :25:45.of that pie to expand the YouTube business. It all might sound like a
:25:46. > :25:51.silly amount of money, but the other numbers linked to Twitch are just as
:25:52. > :25:55.impressive. Last year the site attracted 45 million viewers every
:25:56. > :26:00.month. Making it by far the largest of its type. At one point it
:26:01. > :26:05.accounted for 43% of all live streaming across the entire
:26:06. > :26:11.internet. YouTube, by comparison, makes up just zero. 5%. But there is
:26:12. > :26:15.another statistic that makes it incredibly attractive to
:26:16. > :26:19.advertisers, more than 60% of its young viewers watch for more than 20
:26:20. > :26:22.hours a week. The kind of number that would make a middle-aged
:26:23. > :26:26.television executive weep. If you said ten years ago that people would
:26:27. > :26:31.be literally watching live as someone else played a video game,
:26:32. > :26:34.and that would be an enormous video business, no-one would have believed
:26:35. > :26:38.you. And yet it is enormous in Asia, that is why you haven't heard about
:26:39. > :26:42.it much in the west. But it is part of a much wider global trend. Kids
:26:43. > :26:46.today don't watch traditional television in the way they used to.
:26:47. > :26:55.They are watching video games, like their real sports. Crazy stuff at
:26:56. > :26:59.the University of Effort. But the success of Twitch tells us something
:27:00. > :27:03.about how the media landscape is changing. The rise of streaming
:27:04. > :27:07.sites has made stars of young video bloggers like JJ from Watford. I
:27:08. > :27:11.thought I would be a bit more real this time. He has more than eight
:27:12. > :27:14.million regular subscribers, making his work incredibly influential,
:27:15. > :27:23.he's a big user of sites like Twitch. TV is boring, you can't
:27:24. > :27:26.choose what you want to watch, you just see what you want to watch.
:27:27. > :27:31.With the Internet you are able to pick what you want to watch. Choose
:27:32. > :27:36.and you are able to choose what you want to watch at a certain time. But
:27:37. > :27:43.Twitch doesn't just let gamers broadcast their video its be also
:27:44. > :27:46.the leader in competitive gaming, a semiprofessional spectator sport
:27:47. > :27:51.which is offering prize pools bigger than major golf tournaments. A World
:27:52. > :27:56.Championship event was held in Seattle, boasting a prize pool
:27:57. > :28:05.reaching more than $10 million. We love it, obviously in Asia they love
:28:06. > :28:11.it like insane. That's why they are able to have e-sports events and
:28:12. > :28:16.sell out arenas and have dollar 11 million prize spots. It is insane.
:28:17. > :28:20.In way the purchase of Twitch is not gamble on the future. For millions
:28:21. > :28:27.of young teenagers and gamers around the world, this is a major part of
:28:28. > :28:31.their daily lives. Let me take you through tomorrow's papers before we
:28:32. > :28:49.go. The times has a new missile threat.
:28:50. > :28:58.That's all for tonight. We leave you with ruby Hughes, the celebrated
:28:59. > :29:06.soprano performing at the Royal Albert Hall on Sunday. Though
:29:07. > :29:40.performs the lullaby Nana. ?CLEAR
:29:41. > :31:11.She performs Nana in Spanish) Another warm night ahead, but the
:31:12. > :31:15.heat will ebb away this weekend. The mist low cloud in eastern areas
:31:16. > :31:19.burning off quickly. Most of England and Wales having a dry, warm day.
:31:20. > :31:20.Something a