:00:00. > :00:10.Tonight confusion about whether the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas
:00:11. > :00:15.will be extended. Peace talks are under way in Cairo. While in Gaza
:00:16. > :00:23.the true cost of the four-week conflict can now be counted. We
:00:24. > :00:29.report from the rubble. This neighbourhood and the
:00:30. > :00:33.destruction here is immense. He was certainly creative when
:00:34. > :00:39.dodging the issue. It might be that I wanted to have a career in writing
:00:40. > :00:49.romantic fiction, for instance! No matter how many times he was asked.
:00:50. > :00:56.This is a now super mass at thiscated subject. Masticate a bit
:00:57. > :01:01.more, spit it out, spit it out. Today, finally he spat it out. I
:01:02. > :01:08.will try to find somewhere to stand in 2015. Thank goodness for that.
:01:09. > :01:16.Censoring history, Wikipedia's founder talks about his fears for
:01:17. > :01:21.the Internet after the EU's rite right to be forgotten. Do you like
:01:22. > :01:25.my loom bands, this has earned millions in the last few years, we
:01:26. > :01:38.thought it was time to make a film about them. The ceasefire in Gaza
:01:39. > :01:44.has moved into the second day. By halt in the bombardment will be
:01:45. > :01:49.greeted with relief from both sides. There seems little hope of the peace
:01:50. > :01:52.talks producing a definitive conclusion to hostilities. We have
:01:53. > :01:56.been in Gaza assessing both the scale of the destruction so far and
:01:57. > :02:06.the effect on the lives and loyalties of the people there. The
:02:07. > :02:14.ice-cream shop in Gaza City has re-opened. A cup or cone costs two
:02:15. > :02:21.shekels, that is 35p. The wait is worth it. It is a small reward for
:02:22. > :02:26.surviving four weeks of air strikes and explosions. It is good to see
:02:27. > :02:33.the stopping of the bombardment. It is good to see everybody go to the
:02:34. > :02:41.market, go to his work, go to his job. It is very bad to see a lot of
:02:42. > :02:47.men in hospital without hands, without their legs. This
:02:48. > :02:56.four-year-old in the red shirt wants to make sure his order is not
:02:57. > :03:01.forgotten. He holds his ground and gets his ice-cream. It is the
:03:02. > :03:10.family's first outing since the truce. Mousa has had leukaemia, he
:03:11. > :03:15.still gets treatments in a hospital in Israel. His parents find
:03:16. > :03:22.themselves depending upon the same country that bombs their land.
:03:23. > :03:27.TRANSLATION: The Israeli doctors are professional and humane. They even
:03:28. > :03:33.call us during this war to ask how our son was. But the Israeli army is
:03:34. > :03:44.different. What they have done to our children is barbaric. How do you
:03:45. > :03:48.even begin to clean up here in Gaza? The neighbourhood was torn up by
:03:49. > :03:54.Israel's offensive. I want to give you a sense of where we are and of
:03:55. > :04:00.what's happened here. Israel itself is in that direction, where the
:04:01. > :04:05.fields are, and for almost a month the Israeli air force and then the
:04:06. > :04:13.Israeli army carried out strikes across the border here into Gaza.
:04:14. > :04:20.And this is the Shajia neighbourhood and the destruction here is immense.
:04:21. > :04:25.Wherever you look buildings have been either hit or they have got
:04:26. > :04:30.bullet holes in them, windows have been blown out, and there is rubble
:04:31. > :04:35.all around me. Israel's army says it went against this neighbourhood
:04:36. > :04:39.because it believed that Palestinian militants were digging tunnels from
:04:40. > :04:45.here to go across the border Israel and the militant groups led by Hamas
:04:46. > :04:49.were also carrying out rocket strikes from here. Of course the
:04:50. > :04:52.militants were hit, but when you stand here you realise that many,
:04:53. > :05:00.many civilians would have been hit as well. This was their home. This
:05:01. > :05:06.woman shows us around the remains of her house. She has eight children.
:05:07. > :05:10.She has to find them a new home. Israel says that she and her
:05:11. > :05:18.neighbours should blame Hamas for the war. But they don't.
:05:19. > :05:22.TRANSLATION: God be with them, they are stronger now. I hope that God
:05:23. > :05:33.will help the resistance to win and declare victory. The armed men of
:05:34. > :05:38.Gaza see themselves as winners. This afternoon gunmen from Islamic Jihad
:05:39. > :05:44.buried one of their commanders. No-one here is pressing the militant
:05:45. > :05:49.groups to give way. For the first time in almost a month people here
:05:50. > :05:54.are able to take some steps back towards a normal life. Here they are
:05:55. > :05:59.getting money to buy things for their families. But they want so
:06:00. > :06:03.much more than that. They want the ability to come and go from Gaza,
:06:04. > :06:09.the ability to get things in from the outside world. They want Israel
:06:10. > :06:15.to end its restrictions. And that is the same demand that Hamas itself is
:06:16. > :06:25.making of the Israeli Government in indirect negotiations. In the
:06:26. > :06:31.harbour fishermen are slowly getting back to work. TRANSLATION: There are
:06:32. > :06:36.a lot of fish here now, because fishing was banned for a long time.
:06:37. > :06:46.It was very dangerous for fishermen. So we hope that the calm will
:06:47. > :06:53.continue. For now fishermen and swimmers enjoy the quiet. But recent
:06:54. > :07:01.history of Gaza teaches a simple lesson, calm is eventually followed
:07:02. > :07:06.by another war. Back Back in Britain the political
:07:07. > :07:11.reverbations continue. Yesterday Jose Manuel Barroso resigned over
:07:12. > :07:17.what she -- Baroness Warsi resigned over what she called the politically
:07:18. > :07:21.indefensible policy of the Government towards the conflict.
:07:22. > :07:24.Today the former International Development Secretary, Andrew
:07:25. > :07:26.Mitchell has called for an arms embargo on Israel. The Liberal
:07:27. > :07:32.Democrats have also been outspoken in their desire to see an arms
:07:33. > :07:37.boycott. I'm joined now by our diplomatic editor.
:07:38. > :07:43.Is there now a sense of gathering political momentum behind these
:07:44. > :07:47.calls for an arms embargo? There is, undoubtedly. But still the Prime
:07:48. > :07:52.Minister has not made his decision. Today there was a bit of a flurry in
:07:53. > :07:56.Westminster because it was believed that Philip Hammond, the Foreign
:07:57. > :07:59.Secretary was about to make a statement, and it was widely
:08:00. > :08:03.believed it was to announce an embargo, but it didn't happen. I'm
:08:04. > :08:08.told Downing Street is still holding this on a tight rein, we haven't
:08:09. > :08:11.moved forward from their position stated last night that the whole
:08:12. > :08:14.matter is under review. That is keeping their options open. It could
:08:15. > :08:20.be that tomorrow they do take that step and announce it. What about
:08:21. > :08:24.outside the realms of military supply, are there any signs of
:08:25. > :08:27.businesses disinvesting or curtailing activity in or with
:08:28. > :08:32.Israel? You can grade this by different types of business. On the
:08:33. > :08:36.military front, yes. There has already been controversy about G 4 S
:08:37. > :08:40.and security contracts in the West Bank, the company saying it has to
:08:41. > :08:43.step back from those in three years time when they are gone. There is a
:08:44. > :08:47.boycott and disinvest movement that has been highlighting products
:08:48. > :08:51.produced in the Occupied Territories. We have also been
:08:52. > :08:58.hearing about other things today, interestingly a entity called ABP, a
:08:59. > :09:02.Dutch public sector pension fund, it has been engaged in conversations by
:09:03. > :09:05.activists about stopping its connections with three Israeli
:09:06. > :09:08.banks. It is the third-biggest pension fund in the world. Things
:09:09. > :09:11.like this may well be happening and it may well be grassroots pressure.
:09:12. > :09:15.It is things to look out for over the next few months at annual
:09:16. > :09:19.general meetings and shareholders meetings, at pension fundholders
:09:20. > :09:23.meetings, those types of things where we might see a change in
:09:24. > :09:28.underlying public attitudes influencing the pattern of
:09:29. > :09:31.investment and trade. Thank you. The row over Gaza goes beyond trade and
:09:32. > :09:36.politics, spilling tonight into the arts as well. For the past eight
:09:37. > :09:42.years the Tricycle Theatre in London has played host to the UK Jewish
:09:43. > :09:46.Film Festival, partially funded by the Israeli Embassy. Now the theatre
:09:47. > :09:51.has said that due to the sensitivity of the conflict the theatre's board
:09:52. > :09:54.had taken the decision not to host the festival under its current
:09:55. > :09:58.sponsorship arrangement. They are not saying no to the festival or
:09:59. > :10:01.Jewish films, they are just saying no to Israeli Government funding.
:10:02. > :10:10.But the move has brought a wave of criticism. The lawyer with me is a
:10:11. > :10:15.board member of the Tricycle, and we have the chief executive of Jewish
:10:16. > :10:19.leadership council. If I may begin with you, the conflict has been
:10:20. > :10:24.going on for years on and off and the festival itself has been running
:10:25. > :10:27.at the Tricycle for eight years. What is different today and this
:10:28. > :10:32.year? It is not this year, it was the moment at which it came to deal
:10:33. > :10:37.with the publicity which arose in the midst of this current conflict.
:10:38. > :10:41.The Tricycle is deeply proud of the association with the Film Festival.
:10:42. > :10:46.We hope the UK Jewish Film Festival will be held this year at the
:10:47. > :10:50.Tricycle Theatre in Kilburn. Why did this happen. I don't know if you
:10:51. > :10:55.have been to the theatre, it is in Kilburn, a mixed community. We have
:10:56. > :10:58.all views, and the situation had arisen last year that already there
:10:59. > :11:02.were protests. We were willing and happy to tough it out. We want the
:11:03. > :11:08.festival to continue at the theatre, but this year we took the view that
:11:09. > :11:12.right now putting a logo, for example, of the Israeli Embassy in
:11:13. > :11:18.London on the festival material would be taken by some people as an
:11:19. > :11:23.incitement and provocation. We asked that the issue of Israeli Government
:11:24. > :11:27.funding be reviewed. We have offered ourselves to make up the shortfall
:11:28. > :11:31.as a sign of our commitment to have the festival and the view was taken
:11:32. > :11:35.by the Jewish Film Festival they did not wish to do that. They have
:11:36. > :11:38.adopted a position of principle, you accept that the Jewish Film Festival
:11:39. > :11:42.is supported by the Israeli Government or we don't come. Me.
:11:43. > :11:47.That was the situation we found ourselves in. Simon is that a
:11:48. > :11:52.position of principle to you? The Jewish Film Festival is a bonderful
:11:53. > :11:56.sell -- wonderful celebration of Jewish culture. It is a major
:11:57. > :12:02.bridge-builder towards positive interfaith relations within London.
:12:03. > :12:07.No-one is trying to stop the festival? By the Tricycle Theatre
:12:08. > :12:12.giving the Jewish Film Festival a "ditch the embassy" ultimatum is
:12:13. > :12:16.putting itself in the way of deciding what is or isn't Jewish
:12:17. > :12:21.culture, unless they are going to take exactly the same approach to
:12:22. > :12:25.any Government that funds any particular film or event that is put
:12:26. > :12:32.on at the Tricycle theatre, I am afraid this looks to most people in
:12:33. > :12:35.our community as though it is a discriminatory boycott. Can you
:12:36. > :12:40.crith another Government-fund -- scythe another Government-funded
:12:41. > :12:45.project? What the Tricycle Theatre has done here is try to look at
:12:46. > :12:50.Jewish culture through the prism of its opinion of Israeli Government
:12:51. > :12:55.policy. It is as though if you are holding an Islamic Film Festival you
:12:56. > :12:59.would look at it through the prise. M of perhaps the Syrian Government.
:13:00. > :13:02.Only if the Syrian Government was funding the festival? They have
:13:03. > :13:07.effectively given an ultimatum and said if you will ditch the embassy
:13:08. > :13:10.then you can continue, but the indelible link between Jewish
:13:11. > :13:15.culture and the nature of Israel is the point of principle. It is not
:13:16. > :13:19.for others to decide what is Jewish culture. So you can't criticise
:13:20. > :13:24.Israel without maligning Jewish culture? But what I want to know. Is
:13:25. > :13:29.that what you are saying? Of course you can criticise Israel. I'm
:13:30. > :13:33.wondering what they are trying to achieve? I think what is happening
:13:34. > :13:38.is they are trying to adopt their opinion of the position of a foreign
:13:39. > :13:43.Government on a foreign conflict and trying to interpose it into
:13:44. > :13:46.multifaith, multicultural Britain. The only people who suffer through
:13:47. > :13:49.this, because this is the Jewish Film Festival, it is not some
:13:50. > :13:53.propaganda arm of the Israeli Government. There are films that
:13:54. > :13:57.hugely critical of Israel that show all sides of the argument, that by
:13:58. > :14:01.boycotting in this way, or threatening to boycott in this way,
:14:02. > :14:05.what they are doing is they are interposing their view of the
:14:06. > :14:12.conflict and trying to impose that on the project. I think the Tricycle
:14:13. > :14:16.gets ?725,000 off the Arts Council, the British Government, which arms
:14:17. > :14:20.still Israel, why don't you ban any involvement of productions at the
:14:21. > :14:24.Tricycle that are paid for by the British Government? Let me answer
:14:25. > :14:29.that in a moment, first let me say this, Simon I think is a lawyer,
:14:30. > :14:34.facts are important. He has made allegations that don't exist. What
:14:35. > :14:37.is the Tricycle doing. It has simply said whilst this conflict is in the
:14:38. > :14:40.current situation and we have made very clear to the Jewish Film
:14:41. > :14:45.Festival the situation may be different in three weeks or five
:14:46. > :14:49.weeks or eight weeks, it is not a never deal with this Israeli Embassy
:14:50. > :14:53.issue. We will revisit the situation. What have we actually
:14:54. > :14:58.done? We have said on the Tricycle board we won't take funding from any
:14:59. > :15:00.party involved in the conflict. If there was funding from the
:15:01. > :15:05.Palestinian Authority or Hamas we would, hang on, we would also not
:15:06. > :15:11.accept our association with that. But more to the point, we have drawn
:15:12. > :15:15.a distinction between associating with the political arms of the
:15:16. > :15:20.state, the diplomatic representation, embassies on the one
:15:21. > :15:24.hand, and film funding. We have said the films you want to play it is up
:15:25. > :15:28.to you, if something is funded by the Israeli film fund that is a
:15:29. > :15:32.different thing an artistic thing. What the Jewish Film Festival is
:15:33. > :15:35.trying to do is associate, and just confirmed by Simon, with the
:15:36. > :15:39.political arm of Israel. Jewish is one thing, Israel is another, and
:15:40. > :15:44.they have mixed it, that is unfortunate, but not discriminatory,
:15:45. > :15:49.and almost certainly not a boycott. There is a Jewish gentleman on the
:15:50. > :15:53.board of the Tricycle and the artistic of the National Theatre who
:15:54. > :15:57.is Jewish and come out in support of the Tricycle's decision, it is not
:15:58. > :16:00.as simple as saying this is an take on Jewish culture when Jewish people
:16:01. > :16:04.are involved in the decision to reject the funding? It is not clear
:16:05. > :16:08.to me what they are trying to achieve by doing this? I will tell
:16:09. > :16:11.you, Artistic Director has stated that no money from any Government
:16:12. > :16:15.agency involved in the current conflict will be used to stage
:16:16. > :16:19.productions at this theatre and the cinema? If that is applied to all
:16:20. > :16:23.funding from all Governments of any type. She's categorical it is, in
:16:24. > :16:27.the current conflict? That is fine, all funding at any time from any
:16:28. > :16:33.Government, if that is what they are prepared to do it is not
:16:34. > :16:36.discriminatory. But it isn't. If they believe it will have any impact
:16:37. > :16:38.on the ability to achieve a just, lasting and permanent agreement
:16:39. > :16:43.between Israel and the Palestinians, which people in the Jewish community
:16:44. > :16:47.fervently want to achieve. Accept the ones in favour of the Tricycle's
:16:48. > :16:52.decision? Then highlighting and trying to put conditions upon the
:16:53. > :16:58.way that Jewish culture is expressed is not the way. Thank you very much.
:16:59. > :17:05.He said he wouldn't do it, he said he didn't want do t but he's done
:17:06. > :17:08.it. Boris Johnson today set his sights on a speedy return to
:17:09. > :17:12.Westminster, and so unleashed the flurry of furious speculation that
:17:13. > :17:20.routinely accompanies his every move. What does this most mercurial
:17:21. > :17:23.of politician's search for a safe seat mean for David Cameron's
:17:24. > :17:27.leadership and even Britain's relationship with the European Union
:17:28. > :17:37.which, is afterall what today's big speech was supposed to be all about.
:17:38. > :17:41.We have been finding out. The thing I love is being Mayor of
:17:42. > :17:46.London, it is the most wonderful job anyone can have, I'm getting on with
:17:47. > :17:51.that. Boris Johnson has always denied having grander ambitions.
:17:52. > :17:58.Would you like to be Prime Minister? Well I would like to be the lead
:17:59. > :18:05.singer of an international rock group. You want to be Prime
:18:06. > :18:10.Minister? What I want is to spend the next, my time remaining as mayor
:18:11. > :18:14.to do as well as I can as Mayor of London. But the Mayor of London has
:18:15. > :18:18.announced today that he wants to be an MP again after next year's
:18:19. > :18:23.general election. And in doing so he has kicked off the next Conservative
:18:24. > :18:28.Party leadership contest. Now you might be thinking why are we talking
:18:29. > :18:30.about leadership elections afterall David Cameron's personal ratings are
:18:31. > :18:34.better than those of Ed Miliband, the Labour leader, and the Tories
:18:35. > :18:38.are only a few points off Labour, which, all things considered, at
:18:39. > :18:42.this point in the cycle not that bad. Well, that's because people
:18:43. > :18:47.anticipate that there might soon be a vacancy. David Cameron may not be
:18:48. > :18:52.Prime Minister in a year's time, he may, he may not. If he isn't and Ed
:18:53. > :18:56.Miliband is in Downing Street instead, there will be a Tory
:18:57. > :18:59.leadership election and we know from today if that's so Boris Johnson is
:19:00. > :19:09.likely to be in the Commons and will be a contender. Johnson already has
:19:10. > :19:13.a clang of supportive MPs, they say that unlike the Prime Minister's a
:19:14. > :19:17.proven winner. He's worth 5% in the polls one of his backers told me
:19:18. > :19:21.today. Boris Johnson is Britain's most popular politician, all the
:19:22. > :19:25.polling we find he outstrips and outrates all the other politicians
:19:26. > :19:30.far above David Cameron a Nigel Farage and all the rest. In fact his
:19:31. > :19:34.popularity Railtrackings are in line with those of Prince Charles and we
:19:35. > :19:37.know that the Royal Family is untouchable when it comes to the
:19:38. > :19:44.public's opinion of them. But it won't be an easy stroll to higher
:19:45. > :19:48.office. Johnson is a man with skeletons that have already escaped
:19:49. > :19:53.the closet. Making up quotes, lying to your party leader, wanting to
:19:54. > :19:57.part of someone being physically important, you are a nasty piece of
:19:58. > :20:01.work aren't you? I think all three things I would dispute. Johnson's
:20:02. > :20:05.current popularity may have something to do with the fact that
:20:06. > :20:09.few people actually know his views. His mixed record in London is very
:20:10. > :20:13.little scrutinised. Can a man who once had to apologise to the City of
:20:14. > :20:18.Liverpool cut it as a national politician? I'm apologising
:20:19. > :20:23.obviously for all the offence I have caused and any hurt that people feel
:20:24. > :20:27.as a result of the article. I must apologise for that because I think
:20:28. > :20:32.people do feel very, very strongly about that. Can he relate to
:20:33. > :20:38.ordinary voters? Which helps every household. Do you even know the cost
:20:39. > :20:46.of a pint of milk? About 80p or something like that. No it is about
:20:47. > :20:51.40-something pence. One of the biggish ones. This is classic Boris,
:20:52. > :20:57.I said a pint of milk. OK, OK, well there you go. Can you convince you
:20:58. > :21:00.that he's the man that you want facing Vladimir Putin? Although
:21:01. > :21:05.Britain is a country that likes to laugh at itself, it is not a joke
:21:06. > :21:08.country, therefore it doesn't want a joke Prime Minister. When you are
:21:09. > :21:12.involved in serious negotiations, there is a certain gravity that
:21:13. > :21:15.comes with the position. The real vulnerability for Boris Johnson is
:21:16. > :21:21.he can't cope with that. He's not up to it. And the joke wears really
:21:22. > :21:26.very thin. So, yes, the Mayor of London has a uniquely popular
:21:27. > :21:31.political brand, one that slightly annoys other senior Tories. But it
:21:32. > :21:39.is not yet clear that he's got what it takes. And here with me now are
:21:40. > :21:46.the Times columnists and Polly Toynebee from the Guardian. I think
:21:47. > :21:50.it was Cole Porter who wrote "all the world loves a clown" will they
:21:51. > :21:54.still love Boris if he gets serious? That is the big question, he's not
:21:55. > :21:57.standing for leadership of the Conservative Party, that is the
:21:58. > :22:01.future. What David Cameron has is an uphill struggle to win the next
:22:02. > :22:05.general election, and he wants the most popular politician in Britain
:22:06. > :22:10.beside him on the campaign trail. The next election is poply described
:22:11. > :22:14.as -- popularly described as a battle between David Cameron and Ed
:22:15. > :22:18.Miliband. But the Conservatives have a wider ambition, they don't want it
:22:19. > :22:23.the two men against each other, they want it as a choice, you have
:22:24. > :22:28.Osbourne, Hague, May and Boris, you have a strong Conservative team
:22:29. > :22:31.against Ed Miliband, the discredited Ed Balls, and who else? In tough
:22:32. > :22:35.times the Tories want to say we have the team to lead Britain, and Boris
:22:36. > :22:41.helps that. What position does he play? Sort of role that you remember
:22:42. > :22:46.in 2005 when Gordon Brown and Tony Blair went on a campaign together
:22:47. > :22:51.and had that famous ice-cream photo opportunity. He's still the jester
:22:52. > :22:57.in the court of Cameron? Youth Not a jest e but someone alongside David
:22:58. > :23:01.Cameron who shows that someone who has run one of the biggest cities in
:23:02. > :23:08.the world is alongside David Cameron making the pitch for re-election.
:23:09. > :23:11.Are you convinced by the Boris bonhomie? Not at all, I would have
:23:12. > :23:15.thought behind the scenes that the Conservatives would have been very
:23:16. > :23:18.angry indeed, the fact that Boris is pretty much announcing to the world
:23:19. > :23:21.that he doesn't think David Cameron will win the next election. He's not
:23:22. > :23:26.a team player and never has been. He's a team of one. His entire
:23:27. > :23:31.endeavour is about promoting Boris. There isn't anything else to his
:23:32. > :23:36.agenda. To step forward now he could easily wait until after his mayoral
:23:37. > :23:42.term is over, get himself a seat then. It is because he thinks
:23:43. > :23:47.Cameron won't win, why now? David Cameron has invited him back, he has
:23:48. > :23:51.made it clear repeatedly behind the scenes and in front of the cameras
:23:52. > :23:59.that he wants Boris back. It is a nice spin. It was a nice tweet from
:24:00. > :24:03.Portugal, but the grinding and gnashing of teeth. Conservative
:24:04. > :24:06.candidates in marginal seats will think it is very unhelpful indeed
:24:07. > :24:10.for Boris to step forward and thinking about what will happen when
:24:11. > :24:14.the Conservatives lose the next election. I bet they want Boris to
:24:15. > :24:18.visit their constituency because he's a vote winner. I'm sure they
:24:19. > :24:22.will. Could David Cameron have said anything other than welcoming him
:24:23. > :24:26.back into the fold, he couldn't have stated a desire not to see him back
:24:27. > :24:32.on the Conservative benches in the Commons could he? That is what he
:24:33. > :24:37.had to today, but previously in a very important interview he has
:24:38. > :24:41.said. At no point could he have said he doesn't want him in the
:24:42. > :24:45.parliamentary party could he? Of course if you asked him and he said
:24:46. > :24:48.that, but he volunteered it and proactively said he wants Boris
:24:49. > :24:52.back. Where Polly is right, the Tories have an uphill struggle at
:24:53. > :24:56.the next general election. We have to find one million more votes from
:24:57. > :25:00.somewhere. Here is someone who won in a Labour-voting city, twice, once
:25:01. > :25:05.in the middle of a very difficult austerity period. Not to have this
:25:06. > :25:08.guy helping you win the next election, an incredibly important
:25:09. > :25:10.election, that would be David Cameron's failure. It will be
:25:11. > :25:16.difficult if Boris is there after the next election and David Cameron
:25:17. > :25:19.is elected. Suddenly there is an alternative to Cameron in the
:25:20. > :25:23.Commons. Before then he is an asset. Has he got his eyes on the big prize
:25:24. > :25:27.of leadership? Absolutely, Boris wants to be Tory leader. He has
:25:28. > :25:31.denied it many times and you reminded us he would not seek a
:25:32. > :25:35.return to the House of Commons? He lives by different rules to most
:25:36. > :25:41.people. How does he get away with that? I think we knew when you asked
:25:42. > :25:47.him and others asked him that he would run for office in the future
:25:48. > :25:53.we knew he would want to do it. Does it matter very much, Ed Miliband is
:25:54. > :25:58.MP for Doncaster and leader of the opposition. You can do two jobs and
:25:59. > :26:01.Boris can do two jobs. Because Boris keeps lying, he keeps saying he's
:26:02. > :26:06.not doing something and then he does it. For the time being he is such a
:26:07. > :26:09.buffoon it is acceptable. People laugh, it is Boris, we have seen all
:26:10. > :26:15.the funny pictures of him. When it comes to a serious position. Mayor
:26:16. > :26:19.of London is a pretty serious position? It doesn't have a lot of
:26:20. > :26:22.power. Transport yet. He has brought CrossRail one of the biggest
:26:23. > :26:26.investments in Europe, working with the Chancellor. That is a pretty
:26:27. > :26:29.significant achievement. The Conservative Chancellor was always
:26:30. > :26:33.going to give it to a Conservative mayor, fair enough. Boris has only
:26:34. > :26:36.ever wanted one thing and that is to promote himself. I can't think of
:26:37. > :26:41.anything where Boris has passionately committed himself to
:26:42. > :26:47.something he really cares about that isn't about a Boris's bus, Boris's
:26:48. > :26:52.bike, Boris's zip wire, whatever it is, if it is some sort of gimmicky
:26:53. > :26:55.Boris thing. Where is his passionate conviction about house anything
:26:56. > :27:01.London. Very little done. The things that really matter that London
:27:02. > :27:06.really needs. Polly Toynebee we can continue this conversation until the
:27:07. > :27:11.election, I suspect. Many thanks to both of you. Events in Gaza have, of
:27:12. > :27:13.course, largely overshadowed conflicts elsewhere in the Middle
:27:14. > :27:18.East this month. But today in Iraq more than 30 people were killed in a
:27:19. > :27:24.series of car bombs in districts of Baghdad. Meanwhile outside the Iraqi
:27:25. > :27:30.capital ISIS has been consolidating its control of northern parts of the
:27:31. > :27:35.country since their capture of Mosul in June. We can reveal the first
:27:36. > :27:41.evidence that British Jihadists that had previously joined ISIS in Syria
:27:42. > :27:46.have also been fighting in Iraq. We're joined now. What more can you
:27:47. > :27:50.tell us? There has been a lot of focus placed on the issue of British
:27:51. > :27:54.Muslims travelling to Syria to joined the conflict there. We know
:27:55. > :28:00.some have joined this group ISIS. We know in the recent months ISIS have
:28:01. > :28:05.been expanding in their base in northern Syria across the border
:28:06. > :28:09.into northern Iraq. Concerns have been expressed that British Muslims
:28:10. > :28:13.would be fighting with ISIS in Syria but also in Iraq. We have seen no
:28:14. > :28:20.evidence of this taking place until now. I however have been speaking to
:28:21. > :28:26.a man called Abu Abdullah, he is a 20-year-old British Eritrean man
:28:27. > :28:35.part of ISIS, a convert to Islam. Now he says that he at the moment is
:28:36. > :28:41.in Raqqab, he has returned from fighting in Ramadi across the border
:28:42. > :28:45.in Iraq. He has posted photos on his social media site. This is one of
:28:46. > :28:51.them. This is purportedly him in front of a tank in Ramadi, this is
:28:52. > :28:56.another image of him posing with a gun in Ramadi. We can't be 100% sure
:28:57. > :29:00.they are from Ramadi, but his account of being in Iraq has been
:29:01. > :29:06.coroborated by other British foreign fighters in ISIS. And we know that
:29:07. > :29:12.this man Abu Abdullah is part of ISIS, he featured in one of his plop
:29:13. > :29:17.Ganda -- propaganda videos featured this weekend. I'm from the UK, I'm
:29:18. > :29:24.Abdullah, there is nothing better than living in the land, the rights
:29:25. > :29:28.and the, you know you are not living under oppression, we don't need any
:29:29. > :29:34.democracy, we don't need any communism, we don't need anything
:29:35. > :29:38.like that, all we need is Syria. Some insight there into his thinking
:29:39. > :29:44.what do we know about his actions, what has this character been up to?
:29:45. > :29:48.I have been speaking to him via an instant messaging service. He went
:29:49. > :29:51.to Syria nine months ago but he moved on to Iraq to be at the
:29:52. > :29:55.forefront of the fighting. I asked him to describe the situation in
:29:56. > :29:59.Ramadi whilst he was there. He said it is the best fighting and the
:30:00. > :30:04.hardest fighting. You are in a city made of concrete and everything is
:30:05. > :30:08.blowing up. But Iraq is also the place associated with some of the
:30:09. > :30:14.most shocking images released by ISIS. For example the execution en
:30:15. > :30:20.masse of a group of Iraqi Shia army soldiers. I asked him how he could
:30:21. > :30:29.justify these types of actions even if he isn't involved in themselves.
:30:30. > :30:33.He said ISIS treats his enemies the way they would treat them. I asked
:30:34. > :30:39.why fight in Syria and Iraq surely they are different conflicts. He
:30:40. > :30:44.said in his opinion Shia are Shia, it doesn't matter what sect it is,
:30:45. > :30:48.if people knew their belief it disgusts me to be honest. To show
:30:49. > :30:52.you how hardcore, I will show you a shocking image, it is very
:30:53. > :30:58.distressing. This is from his social media account. It is back in Syria,
:30:59. > :31:04.he's posing in front of a decapitated body of an army member
:31:05. > :31:08.from the Syrian President Assad. I asked how and why thought it was
:31:09. > :31:16.acceptable behaviour. He said to me the people love to see the heads of
:31:17. > :31:20.Nusayris on spike, and I feel no sympathy for them because they are
:31:21. > :31:24.enemies of Allah. Indeed, what more do we know about him and his
:31:25. > :31:28.background? He told me his family are Christian but he converted
:31:29. > :31:31.around the age of 16. He told me his family do know where he is. That
:31:32. > :31:37.they have been in contact with him. He said that this is what they say
:31:38. > :31:42.to him, that like any parents they say to him come back, you are crazy.
:31:43. > :31:47.He says he's here for the sake of Allah and nothing else, there is no
:31:48. > :31:52.going back. He went on to say that he's happy there and that why would
:31:53. > :31:57.he go back to somewhere, to the UK and make himself unhappy and in
:31:58. > :32:01.Barz, in prison for example. He clearly doesn't want to come back to
:32:02. > :32:04.the UK. But this case will raise concern about the spread of British
:32:05. > :32:09.fighters from Syria to other parts of the region. Thank you. Where he
:32:10. > :32:13.hear tonight of a fresh crisis on the ground in northern Iraq. Human
:32:14. > :32:19.rights groups have reported that 40,000 people are trapped on a
:32:20. > :32:24.mountain without water or aid. Some 25,000 of them children. They face a
:32:25. > :32:30.stark choice, if they descend they risk being massacred by the Jihadi
:32:31. > :32:36.group Islamic State, known as ISIS, but if they stay it could mean death
:32:37. > :32:43.by dehydration, aid agencies are warning it could be a humanitarian
:32:44. > :32:49.disaster on a grand scale. We have our guest from amnesty international
:32:50. > :32:53.talking to us from Iraq. How much do we know about how this situation has
:32:54. > :33:01.arisen, how it has happened? Well it has happened because those who fled
:33:02. > :33:05.on Sunday when ISIS militants took over the town and areas around it,
:33:06. > :33:11.some of them did not manage to flee on time, so they could only get to
:33:12. > :33:16.the mountain. The road accessing the mountains were then blocked by ISIS,
:33:17. > :33:21.so since then it has not been possible for them to leave. It has
:33:22. > :33:26.not been possible to get any humanitarian aid to them by road. So
:33:27. > :33:31.only in the last couple of days there has been a little bit of
:33:32. > :33:35.humanitarian aid getting to them via air drops. But really most of the
:33:36. > :33:40.people that I have been speaking to of those who are trapped on the
:33:41. > :33:44.mountain and I have been speaking to many of them have not received any
:33:45. > :33:50.aid. How much do we know about the specific conditions that they are
:33:51. > :33:56.currently enduring? The conditions are absolutely horrific. Today I was
:33:57. > :34:01.speaking to a man who has lost two young daughters. One was killed on
:34:02. > :34:05.the spot as they were fleeing, the other one had an injury which could
:34:06. > :34:11.have probably been easily treated if she had been able to get to some
:34:12. > :34:14.sort of medical facility. Obviously that's impossible where they are
:34:15. > :34:20.trapped in the mountain so the little girl has died. We are hearing
:34:21. > :34:24.other horrendous stories, the lack of food is bad enough, but it is
:34:25. > :34:29.bearable for a few days, the lack of water when it is more than 40
:34:30. > :34:34.degrees, it is not. And especially for the very little, for the
:34:35. > :34:39.elderly, for people who are sick and there are many out of the tens of
:34:40. > :34:47.thousands of those who are trapped on the mountain. Many thanks indeed.
:34:48. > :34:51.Students, pub quiz masters and quite frankly most journalists would be
:34:52. > :34:55.lost without it. But the Wikipedia project is almost infinate in its
:34:56. > :35:00.cope and ambition. Now in its 13th year the on-line encyclopaedia
:35:01. > :35:04.written by unpaid contributors and invites you to imagine a world where
:35:05. > :35:08.every single human being can share freely in the sum of all knowledge,
:35:09. > :35:13.currently registers over 21 billion hits a month. Its founder joins us
:35:14. > :35:18.shortly. But first we have this report from the annual Wiki-mania
:35:19. > :35:24.event in London for the first time this week.
:35:25. > :35:28.Wiki-mania is the annual gathering of the Wikipedia community. This
:35:29. > :35:33.year for the tenth bash they have come for the first time to London,
:35:34. > :35:36.or at least the sub-tropical-like jungle bit of London inside the
:35:37. > :35:40.Barbican centre. It wouldn't really be in the spirit of the
:35:41. > :35:43.collaborative nature of Wikipedia for this report to be the product of
:35:44. > :35:49.a single voice. We need to throw it open to the Wiki community. Where
:35:50. > :35:55.shall we start? We could first find out what the point of this event is?
:35:56. > :36:01.Wikipedia is an enormous project, there is something like 100,000
:36:02. > :36:07.regular contributors and 20 million since it started. And this is a
:36:08. > :36:12.chance for them to come together and talk face-to-face and talk about the
:36:13. > :36:16.global strategy and the future. This was an opportunity to announce a
:36:17. > :36:20.response to the "right to be forgotten", this refers to a
:36:21. > :36:26.European Court of Justice that Google and other search engines must
:36:27. > :36:31.delete articles about individuals that are out of date, irrelevant and
:36:32. > :36:35.no longer relevant. The ruling in itself is unworkable. The Internet
:36:36. > :36:39.is vast, information that stays on it stays on for a very long time. We
:36:40. > :36:44.don't believe the promise taking down one link makes it hard to find,
:36:45. > :36:46.just because it is harder to find a person's information, doesn't mean
:36:47. > :36:50.the information is missing. Wikipedia will publish a list of
:36:51. > :36:55.every entry on the site that search engines no longer link to as a
:36:56. > :36:59.result of compliance with the ECJ ruling. It is not like Wikipedia
:37:00. > :37:07.isn't used to some big rows over content. Real world battles rapidly
:37:08. > :37:10.turn into Wiki battles. The on going conflict between Israel and
:37:11. > :37:15.Palestine has become one of the many contests to own history. It is
:37:16. > :37:23.interesting to see how for example the recent Gaza conflict, even more
:37:24. > :37:28.who doesn't speak English, Hebrew or haric about, you can see the --
:37:29. > :37:31.Arabic, you can see how the illustrations over those three
:37:32. > :37:36.languages can tell the same story with different perspective. They
:37:37. > :37:40.could be seen as bias, but it is equally an attempt by the world to
:37:41. > :37:44.tell their story and interact with each other. Wikipedia is now such an
:37:45. > :37:49.established and important source that it is on the frontline of many
:37:50. > :37:52.propaganda struggles. For example many edits of the article about the
:37:53. > :37:57.crash of the Malaysian airliner MH17, were traced to Russian
:37:58. > :38:02.Government computers. So does this render the site on reliable?
:38:03. > :38:06.Wikipedia is a series of eventualism, eventually the truth
:38:07. > :38:09.will out. And when people have contentious things, especially when
:38:10. > :38:15.they have conflicts of interests, or in this case the Russian example,
:38:16. > :38:18.what happens is those are checked and taken care of and removed if
:38:19. > :38:28.they are not true. If they are true they might stay. Especially if it is
:38:29. > :38:31.verifiable. And if we catch up with Wiki-mania what will this vast,
:38:32. > :38:36.sprawling and amazing project look like? As we start to reach 4. 5
:38:37. > :38:40.million articles and start to get a lot of the easy articles to write,
:38:41. > :38:45.what happens to the harder articles to write. And maybe Wikipedia has to
:38:46. > :38:48.start engaging in so types of original reporting or original
:38:49. > :38:53.gathering of information that it didn't have to do before. So for
:38:54. > :38:58.example should it fund what might look like a National Geographic-type
:38:59. > :39:01.of exploration of certain areas to get more information to put into
:39:02. > :39:05.Wikipedia, or does it just rely on information you can find on the
:39:06. > :39:08.internet. Perhaps the biggest challenge going forward for
:39:09. > :39:18.Wikipedia is whether its collaborative, egalitarian, idea
:39:19. > :39:23.listic eloss can survive. -- idealistic ethos can survive. We're
:39:24. > :39:28.joined by the cofounder of Wikipedia, I will begin by asking
:39:29. > :39:31.what the European Court of Justice has got wrong, they judge it is a
:39:32. > :39:36.right to be forgotten, what is wrong with that? The biggest problem with
:39:37. > :39:42.that is the rule something not about private information, it includes and
:39:43. > :39:45.indeed was about a link to a legal low-published newspaper article and
:39:46. > :39:49.a reputable newspaper, the article is still up, it is not the accuracy
:39:50. > :39:54.of it is not contested. And that doesn't seem to me like the very
:39:55. > :39:57.best place to start thinking about issues around privacy. It is already
:39:58. > :40:04.Public Information for many years. It is not exercised frommiesry --
:40:05. > :40:09.from history, it is just you need to know where to look? It is like
:40:10. > :40:17.deleting the index to a book, or deleting the card catalogue on from
:40:18. > :40:21.a library. The biggest issue is Google is mandated to become the
:40:22. > :40:24.decider on these things. There is no process of judicial oversight. There
:40:25. > :40:29.is no possibility of appeal, there is no transparency. So the way we
:40:30. > :40:33.look at this is this is not something that should be handed off
:40:34. > :40:38.to private companies. Who should it be handed off to? If we want to go
:40:39. > :40:43.to the very extreme step of banning a link to a legally published news
:40:44. > :40:47.story, at the very least there needs to be judicial oversight. It is not
:40:48. > :40:52.just about legally published news stories, it is about indiscretions,
:40:53. > :40:57.regretful interactions over the Internet. If I was to Google you or
:40:58. > :41:00.use any search engine there would be millions of things about you and it
:41:01. > :41:06.would be almost impossible to sort them. But an ordinary mortal might
:41:07. > :41:11.only have three or four references and if one is regrettable, damaging
:41:12. > :41:14.and ancient history, why should it be brought straight back to the stop
:41:15. > :41:18.of the pile at the click of a button? The thing is it is a false
:41:19. > :41:22.promise. The idea that you will get it out of Google and it will go away
:41:23. > :41:32.is simply not true. For ordinary people they are not really worried
:41:33. > :41:34.about random people over the globe Googling their name, they are
:41:35. > :41:40.worried about friends and neighbours who will know about T the idea that
:41:41. > :41:44.you can some how erase history is not valid. The flood of requests
:41:45. > :41:48.that Google is getting are not primarily from those kinds of
:41:49. > :41:50.things. The one that is we are seeing, the links they have told us
:41:51. > :41:54.about. You have had five requests, and yet still for you it is an issue
:41:55. > :41:58.of epic importance? It is, yeah, these are the first five. Google is
:41:59. > :42:08.just now getting under way, we expect to see hundreds of these.
:42:09. > :42:14.They are very questionable. This is history, history is a human right in
:42:15. > :42:19.my view. So is truth, and you speak as if Wikipedia is a sacrosanct
:42:20. > :42:26.institution and a portal where everything is printed and true? I I
:42:27. > :42:32.could go on there and describe you as a believer in fairy and other
:42:33. > :42:37.things, but it is neither history or truth but it could be on Wikipedia?
:42:38. > :42:43.Not for more than a few seconds. I have experienced that, it is not
:42:44. > :42:50.funny if you are a public person and have a public profile and people
:42:51. > :42:56.have deleted your Wikipedia page? I spoke of my children being born by
:42:57. > :43:03.fertility treatment, and my page had that I wasn't man enough to have my
:43:04. > :43:07.own children, and was there for months until my wife found it. Isn't
:43:08. > :43:12.that the sort of thing? That is the type of thing. That is neither truth
:43:13. > :43:16.nor history and yet it was on there? We have an aggressive community, and
:43:17. > :43:19.biographies of living persons, it is all about that sort of thing. As
:43:20. > :43:23.soon as we know anything like that it is immediately taken down.
:43:24. > :43:27.Immediately. It is hard to get the message to Wikipedia, there is no
:43:28. > :43:34.phone number? It is the easiest thing to contact. Send us an e-mail,
:43:35. > :43:39.click "edit", leave us a note. You need to know it is there, and check
:43:40. > :43:44.your page on a regular basis to know what everyone else is seeing unless
:43:45. > :43:48.you see the problem? It is a good idea to check your page from time to
:43:49. > :43:51.time, and let us know if there is a problem. This is routine work for
:43:52. > :43:57.us. On the question of who writes the entries, there is some disbute
:43:58. > :44:01.about the figure of 9% or 14% of Wikipedia's editors are women. You
:44:02. > :44:04.can detect that imbalance in some of the copy on the site, do you
:44:05. > :44:08.recognise the criticism? Definitely, it is one of the things we are
:44:09. > :44:13.interested and concerned about. We know that when we look at the topics
:44:14. > :44:18.covered in Wikipedia it definitely reflects the interests of the
:44:19. > :44:21.contributors, we want to diversify the contributor base so our coverage
:44:22. > :44:25.of all kinds of articles is improve. This is something that is really a
:44:26. > :44:29.central focus for the organisation, there will be a lot of session about
:44:30. > :44:35.this at the conference this week. It is something that for us is not
:44:36. > :44:38.acceptable. Quick peepedia will never be finished will it? It will
:44:39. > :44:42.never be finished. There is always more to learn and improvements to
:44:43. > :44:48.make. Are you happy with it or do you still see it as an unfinished
:44:49. > :44:53.project, and a work in process? I'm happy with it, it is definitely
:44:54. > :44:59.unfinished. Thank you. Time now to have a look at some of the front
:45:00. > :46:32.pages of the newspapers. The Independent leading:
:46:33. > :46:38.Just before we go, time has beaten us again this evening in order to
:46:39. > :46:43.bring you that story about the humanitarian crisis in northern
:46:44. > :46:46.Iraq. We have sadly had to postpone our item on loom bands, however I
:46:47. > :46:53.will be back tomorrow, which gives me another opportunity to wear mine
:46:54. > :46:57.as the loom bands return. Since the dawn of history farmers have called
:46:58. > :47:01.across the field for their cattle to come and feed, but have they ever
:47:02. > :47:07.used a trombone, well they have now. Here is Kansas farmer Derek
:47:08. > :47:36.Klingenberg. Good night.