:00:00. > :00:15.It's over. So should Scotland become an independent country? Tomorrow
:00:16. > :00:23.Scotland decides. The only answer for Scotland's sake, and for
:00:24. > :00:33.Scotland's future, is vote no. Don't let them tell us we can't.
:00:34. > :00:39.Let's do this now. For me it will go up to the wire, it will be right in
:00:40. > :00:47.the ballot booth with the paper in front of me. I change my mind on an
:00:48. > :00:52.hourly basis. Here we have Scotland's most precious natural
:00:53. > :01:01.resource, the undecided voter, what will they hear tonight to swing it.
:01:02. > :01:05.Hello and good evening. After two years, endless speeches and copious
:01:06. > :01:09.column inch, you would think it is all done, but incredibly this
:01:10. > :01:12.referendum now rests in the hands of a mere 300,000 or so people, the one
:01:13. > :01:18.who is still haven't made their mind up. They are a coveted commodity, we
:01:19. > :01:22.have three of them here in Glasgow tonight, all registered to vote,
:01:23. > :01:26.tonight they will hear the arguments of the big beasts and the layman,
:01:27. > :01:30.and by the time the show is over we will ask them if they know which way
:01:31. > :01:34.they will go. I took Anne-Marie, a school teacher into the centre of
:01:35. > :01:42.Glasgow, she's still undecided as to how to place her vote tomorrow.
:01:43. > :01:45.For me it is right up to the wire, right in the ballot booth with the
:01:46. > :01:51.paper in front of me. I'm still changing my mind on an hourly basis.
:01:52. > :01:54.Why has it been so hard? Because new things come to light. We have had
:01:55. > :01:59.the revelation that these companies might be moving out of Scotland,
:02:00. > :02:02.about we don't know what currency we are going to use, it is such a
:02:03. > :02:08.momentous decision to make, I want to make the right choice for my
:02:09. > :02:13.family and my family. If it was my heart I would vote for, I would make
:02:14. > :02:15.a yes vote, because I believe that Scottish people have the
:02:16. > :02:20.intelligence and the power and the wit to be able to control their own
:02:21. > :02:22.finances, but by the same token I don't think all the information that
:02:23. > :02:27.we should have to make that informed choice has been given to us.
:02:28. > :02:31.If you walk around the streets of Glasgow you will see more signs for
:02:32. > :02:34.yes, you will definitely see more people standing outside of stores,
:02:35. > :02:37.as we did at the weekend, that were actively trying to get our vote as
:02:38. > :02:41.yes. And there wasn't so much negativity. I haven't seen any no. I
:02:42. > :02:44.would have liked to have had their viewpoint as well. It hasn't
:02:45. > :02:48.happened. As we stand here, tonight, the eve
:02:49. > :02:52.of polling day, you genuinely don't know where you are going to put your
:02:53. > :02:55.cross tomorrow? I genuinely don't know. I think I will need to hear
:02:56. > :02:59.the rest of the argument tonight, sleepen to and tomorrow morning,
:03:00. > :03:12.when I go in that booth it will be a very personal one-on-one decision.
:03:13. > :03:15.Anne-Marie is with us and a couple of other undecides, Lindsay you
:03:16. > :03:20.heard the thoughts there, why has it been so hard? It has been immensely
:03:21. > :03:26.difficult, it is an emotive issue and a lot of people might have
:03:27. > :03:29.in-built hunch about which way they might be voting but there is a lot
:03:30. > :03:31.of important information out there that I think people have a duty to
:03:32. > :03:49.consider. So it is a lot to A lot of it is just going out and
:03:50. > :03:53.talking to people on the street, that is the most positive thing,
:03:54. > :03:57.people are talking to you on the street and in the shops and that is
:03:58. > :04:01.great. We have the noes on this side and the yeses on this side, with the
:04:02. > :04:05.greatest respect they are looking at you and saying Jason, when are you
:04:06. > :04:11.going to do it, what will change it? Well, if I can hear one concise and
:04:12. > :04:16.definitive argument either way I could be swayed. I have said I'm
:04:17. > :04:20.swaying more to my left on to the yes side, but right now it has been
:04:21. > :04:25.for every argument on either side there has been another trumping it
:04:26. > :04:28.on the other. For the longest time I was a staunch no, because I work in
:04:29. > :04:32.finance and I was afraid that if I did vote for an independent Scotland
:04:33. > :04:37.I wouldn't get to live in it and I would have to move down south. But
:04:38. > :04:41.for me that is eroded by the fact that the Scottish people should be
:04:42. > :04:45.deciding their own fate. Let me just see a show of hands, who here has
:04:46. > :04:55.come to their decision in the last month? What was it, was it one
:04:56. > :05:01.thing, a combination of things? I think it was several factors
:05:02. > :05:06.throughout the country. There has been some aspects with my friends
:05:07. > :05:12.and family, but I think more on a personal level. The First Minister I
:05:13. > :05:18.feel his arguments have been a bit wavering but solid in the most. I
:05:19. > :05:22.feel he's very clear and concise as to what his view for the future of
:05:23. > :05:28.Scotland is. Granted it may take a while to achieve, but I feel if we
:05:29. > :05:34.give him a chance it would happen. And has anyone gone against their
:05:35. > :05:38.families' wishes to sit on the side of the room that they are? I'm
:05:39. > :05:44.definitely voting no and my mother is voting yes. Cathy we will hear
:05:45. > :05:50.from her in a second. Was that difficult? Very difficult, there was
:05:51. > :05:53.a few words crossed in the car on the journey here tonight. But
:05:54. > :05:57.afterwards we will both do our best for the people of Scotland. Cathy we
:05:58. > :06:05.can't let that one go, what did you say to him? I'm trying to keep calm.
:06:06. > :06:09.But I really think it is wonderful that we have different points of
:06:10. > :06:14.view. But having said that Gary knows that I have been an
:06:15. > :06:21.antipoverty campaigner for the past 30 years, and I have both
:06:22. > :06:26.experienced and witnessed human suffering and hardship on a scale I
:06:27. > :06:34.never thought I would ever see it in my lifetime. Except perhaps in times
:06:35. > :06:45.of war. And let me finish, during that set of years since the time of
:06:46. > :06:48.Thatcher, I have seen successive Governments turning their
:06:49. > :06:51.parliamentary so called democracy and so called management of the
:06:52. > :06:56.institution to service the rich and all their cronies. There is a lot of
:06:57. > :07:00.nodding heads here. (Applause) we will come back to some of those
:07:01. > :07:04.points. Thank you very much indeed. There are some still clearly hungry
:07:05. > :07:08.to hear more. For others tomorrow can't come soon enough. We followed
:07:09. > :07:20.the last day of the campaign here in Glasgow.
:07:21. > :07:28.Hopes and fears but the talking is finally done. Yet the decision is
:07:29. > :07:34.still to make. Every handshake can mean something. Every snap of this
:07:35. > :07:38.moment when everything might change. This is it, the last push for this
:07:39. > :07:43.man and these people's dreams, but still with just a few hours before
:07:44. > :07:49.the polling stations open, there are still thousands of undecided voters
:07:50. > :07:53.around the country. And the case for independence has
:07:54. > :07:58.been put in places where politicians have hardly gone for so long. Here
:07:59. > :08:04.on the edge of Glasgow there are still votes to be won. I'm still
:08:05. > :08:10.undecided yet. I will decide tomorrow. A lot of traditional
:08:11. > :08:14.Labour Party supporters like myself that feel that they forgot about us
:08:15. > :08:17.and abandoned us, since Tony Blair got in, it is so hard to
:08:18. > :08:21.differentiate the policies between the Tories and the Labour Party, I
:08:22. > :08:27.don't support the SNP, I don't like the SNP but it is a protest the
:08:28. > :08:31.Labour Party have done nothing for us. It never mattered until
:08:32. > :08:34.recently, seeing the possibility of going independent and doing things
:08:35. > :08:41.totally differently is what has made a lot of people really passionate.
:08:42. > :08:45.My family worry about it. You are worried about them? In case they get
:08:46. > :08:50.their own way. There is no coming back. But alongside new belief and
:08:51. > :08:58.disillusion, thoughts of a new country have stirred old divides. I
:08:59. > :09:02.think it is extremist views that are rooted in history that isn't
:09:03. > :09:05.necessary rooted in a present or a future. That's been a challenge to
:09:06. > :09:09.be around those conversations that are about what we have been or what
:09:10. > :09:14.happened a long time ago rather than who we are now and what we're moving
:09:15. > :09:24.towards. I think in the last couple of years things have increased on an
:09:25. > :09:27.anxiety level and worrying about the change impacting their family. You
:09:28. > :09:34.are going for Better Together, wonderful news. In Aberdeen the
:09:35. > :09:38.last-minute scramble is real. New volunteers still coming forward for
:09:39. > :09:45.no. Even on a free period from school. I first got involved 10-12
:09:46. > :09:50.days ago, you know when the polls looked close. Please welcome the one
:09:51. > :09:54.and only Gordon Brown. Their campaign has in the last few days
:09:55. > :10:02.found a new hero, Gordon Brown rediscovering his strongest voice.
:10:03. > :10:09.Could this be the appeal that wins undecided around. Let us tell the
:10:10. > :10:14.NAILSs nationalists, this is not their country, their polls their
:10:15. > :10:19.streets, this is everyone's culture, everyone's country and everyone's
:10:20. > :10:23.streets. But independence campaigners have already travelled
:10:24. > :10:26.further than their opponents ever imagined, whether in the central
:10:27. > :10:35.belt, towns or streets, or the farms of Perthshire. I can taste it, I can
:10:36. > :10:40.genuinely taste it. It is wafer thin, it is absolutely every single
:10:41. > :10:49.vote will count. And I can feel it, there is a mood in Scotland that I
:10:50. > :10:54.have never felt. I have been a yes vote, we are going to need to take
:10:55. > :10:59.the real struggle forward and that will be on the no side. Further can
:11:00. > :11:04.mean fury, tomorrow Scots will decide. But this political enner
:11:05. > :11:15.ghee, can you almost touch might not find an easy home. Ergy, can
:11:16. > :11:26.We speak to Tom Hunter, the first ever Scottish billion hair, and the
:11:27. > :11:37.presenter of Coast, Neil Oliver. You have some sympathy with the
:11:38. > :11:40.undeciders? I have total sympathy, because when the referendum was
:11:41. > :11:43.announced we decided it was far too an important decision to leave to
:11:44. > :11:47.the politicians alone to inform us. Therefore we went round the world,
:11:48. > :11:52.got the biggest brains, with no side in this decide, and made it
:11:53. > :11:56.available to the voters of Scotland to say we are not trying to convince
:11:57. > :12:07.you to vote the way I'm voting, I'm not trying to convince you of my
:12:08. > :12:12.point of view, I'm trying to say here are some facts, no spin, you
:12:13. > :12:18.make up your own mind. You wield a lot of influence in this country,
:12:19. > :12:24.once you knew which way you wanted to go, didn't you want to sway
:12:25. > :12:27.people? No, I have a vote same as everyone else, that weighed heavy on
:12:28. > :12:33.my shoulders and I'm not saying. Who thinks they voted with their heart,
:12:34. > :12:38.go on? For me it is quite simple, the decision we have to make some is
:12:39. > :12:42.about who gets to make the choices as to how Scotland is run. And it
:12:43. > :12:46.should be the people who live and work in Scotland. It was never about
:12:47. > :12:50.particular policies or anything of that sort, it is who gets to make
:12:51. > :12:54.the choice? Did you look at the fine print, did you look at the detail
:12:55. > :13:00.and read it all? Absolutely I went to a meeting this week and I was in
:13:01. > :13:05.the presence Professor Ronald McDonald, an economist, Google him
:13:06. > :13:12.if you haven't heard of him. From Glasgow University and he spelt out
:13:13. > :13:17.clearly as an academic not a politician what is at stake for this
:13:18. > :13:18.clearly as an academic not a sawn off barrel of a
:13:19. > :13:22.clearly as an academic not a economic disaster if this goes
:13:23. > :13:26.wrong. We will have a brain drain, and a flight of the able leaving the
:13:27. > :13:32.rest of us behind and that worries me, that wasn't a politician.
:13:33. > :13:36.(Applause) The language has been very passionate from both sides. Do
:13:37. > :13:41.you think this has been a rational decision for you, an emotional one?
:13:42. > :13:45.I'm not a political animal at all, and I will be honest with you and
:13:46. > :13:48.say that the economic arguments I'm completely confounded by. Because
:13:49. > :13:53.every question that's asked receives two completely different and often
:13:54. > :13:59.completely contrasting answers. And for me, it has always been a simple
:14:00. > :14:06.question. I find that the offering from the yes camp is un-Scottish to
:14:07. > :14:12.me. In that it jars with my sense of what Scotland was, the Scotland I
:14:13. > :14:15.grew up in. I say that because my work has taken me around a lot of
:14:16. > :14:18.Britain, I have spent a lot of time travelling around
:14:19. > :14:21.Britain, I have spent a lot of time again and again. And I'm as offended
:14:22. > :14:27.by the thought of a family dependant on a foodbank in Bradford as I am of
:14:28. > :14:33.a family dependant on a foodbank in Glasgow. And I'm horrified and
:14:34. > :14:41.ashamed by the thought any of child going to bed cold and hungry, be it
:14:42. > :14:44.Plymouth, Cardiff or Elgin. I find it difficult to see any nobility in
:14:45. > :14:49.turning our backs on large part of our family, our family of nations
:14:50. > :14:54.and saying well we can make it good for ourselves, and the other people
:14:55. > :14:58.will be left behind. I find that jars with what I was brought up to
:14:59. > :15:02.believe as a Scot. There is a lot of shaking heads in this corner, we
:15:03. > :15:06.will come to you in a second. Fiona you have been called un-Scottish for
:15:07. > :15:11.voting yes? Not that I have done it yet. I think the other way of
:15:12. > :15:15.looking at it is surely there is no doubt the fact that Scotland has had
:15:16. > :15:18.this discussion and the run up to the referendum has meant that
:15:19. > :15:22.England is now starting to wake up to the fact that they need to sort
:15:23. > :15:24.themselves out, they haven't got a parliament, why don't they have a
:15:25. > :15:28.parliament. There is something very true in what you say in that for a
:15:29. > :15:31.long time, for generations really there has been a decline in people
:15:32. > :15:34.having a sense of the value of their vote, and if this referendum has
:15:35. > :15:39.done anything it has been to prove that every single vote counts and
:15:40. > :15:42.the vote is a very powerful gift, a very powerful privilege. There is no
:15:43. > :15:45.doubting that, if 97% of the electorate in Scotland who are
:15:46. > :15:50.eligible to vote have signed up to vote and if they do vote that will
:15:51. > :15:54.be the biggest turnout since the Second World War. The problems of
:15:55. > :15:57.Britain, we all agree there are problems Britain-wide, there are
:15:58. > :16:01.things that need to be fixed and poverty that needs to be addressed
:16:02. > :16:04.and opportunities not taken. If 97% of the UK population sign up and
:16:05. > :16:14.vote and take part in debate, we can fix Britain. And Scotland used to
:16:15. > :16:18.be... (applause) Let's hear from the yes people, who thinks Scotland has
:16:19. > :16:34.been change bid this, whatever the outcome? Scotland has been changed
:16:35. > :16:38.you can see it everywhereywhere. I'm disappointed in you, I love your
:16:39. > :16:44.programme, I don't know if you have lived in the Scottish townships or
:16:45. > :16:52.the food banks, I think you should go there, for the past 50 years, I'm
:16:53. > :16:56.just officially a pensioner, I have lived around here for 60 years. I'm
:16:57. > :17:00.not being rude, I need to bring other voices. Billy you want to make
:17:01. > :17:04.a point, and then we will come back to the panel as well.
:17:05. > :17:09.Absolutely, I don't believe by becoming independent we are turning
:17:10. > :17:11.our backs on anyone (applause) because the simple fact of the
:17:12. > :17:17.matter is that Britain still wants to rule the world. Scotland wants to
:17:18. > :17:23.lead the world. And we can and we have done. Many times. Earlier Laura
:17:24. > :17:27.Kuensberg caught up with a man who more than anyone else has brought
:17:28. > :17:31.the union to the edge of this historic moment, Alex Salmond, she
:17:32. > :17:35.began by asking him about how the divisions opened up in Scottish
:17:36. > :17:40.society and how they would be healed? Are you concerned about the
:17:41. > :17:45.passion on both sides creating divisions, and we have spoken to
:17:46. > :17:48.many voters on both sides who are extremely worried about what might
:17:49. > :17:53.happen on Friday. I tell you what, this is the most empowering,
:17:54. > :17:56.enlivening, democratic participation I have ever seen in Scottish
:17:57. > :17:59.politics and UK politics, probably in the west of Europe. It is a
:18:00. > :18:03.fantastic wonderful debate. You will always get a few idiots on either
:18:04. > :18:07.side. For many ordinary people it is more than a few idiots it is real
:18:08. > :18:11.concerns about division? I was going to finish the point, it was one or
:18:12. > :18:19.two people on either side will always have bad behaviour, that has
:18:20. > :18:23.to be condemned on or offline. Let's remember 99% of those participating
:18:24. > :18:28.in the campaign are behaving impeccable. Let's understand when
:18:29. > :18:30.you have democratic participation and people queueing to register to
:18:31. > :18:34.vote, to take interest in the political process for the first time
:18:35. > :18:37.in their lives, this is a wonderful, empowering thing. It is a
:18:38. > :18:44.celebration of democracy, we're going to have on Thursday and on
:18:45. > :18:49.Friday there stops being a no or yes campaign, there will be one
:18:50. > :18:52.campaign, Team Scotland, I as First Minister will draw that together, it
:18:53. > :18:56.is Team Scotland going forward. That not with standing, there are many
:18:57. > :18:59.ordinary people we have spoken to, many of whom participating in
:19:00. > :19:02.politics for the first time, which has to be a positive, who are
:19:03. > :19:06.worried about their communities being divided. There is a high
:19:07. > :19:09.anxiety level in many places? There is a discussion and a debate, a
:19:10. > :19:13.wonderful debate taking place in Scotland. But everybody of course
:19:14. > :19:16.will accept the result. That is what democracy is about, then we will
:19:17. > :19:22.move forward. If you ask people, look, the day after this, do we stop
:19:23. > :19:25.being the yes and no camp and only a Team Scotland, they will say
:19:26. > :19:32.absolutely, as First Minister I have a responsibility to draw that
:19:33. > :19:36.together. I was delighted when Alastair Carmichael that he would
:19:37. > :19:43.see it his obligation for resigning as Scottish Secretary and joining
:19:44. > :19:47.the camp. In victory magnaminty, that will draw us together and will
:19:48. > :19:51.succeed. You and colleagues have said repeatedly that this is about
:19:52. > :20:03.Scotland getting the Government they chose rather than one imposed on
:20:04. > :20:08.them. After the last 17 years, for the last 13 Scotland voted Labour
:20:09. > :20:12.and got Labour. Are you not creating a false premise that Scotland
:20:13. > :20:17.doesn't get what they vote for. I'm 59 years old, so older than you, I
:20:18. > :20:22.don't look it I know. For more than half of my 59 years Scotland has
:20:23. > :20:26.voted in one direction and a Tory Prime Minister is imposed upon us.
:20:27. > :20:29.If we take that sweep of 59 years and a reasonable amount of time.
:20:30. > :20:32.That is the democratic process. It is not the democratic process in
:20:33. > :20:35.Scotland. It is not democratic to have a situation where we have one
:20:36. > :20:40.member of parliament, David Cameron, is the Tory Prime Minister. For 13
:20:41. > :20:45.out of the last 17 years Scotland has had who they have chance. If you
:20:46. > :20:49.go out in Scotland and ask the vast number of people if they think it is
:20:50. > :20:52.democratically acceptable to have story Governments in London and one
:20:53. > :20:58.MP in Scotland they will say no it is not. One of the big motivations
:20:59. > :21:00.in the yes vote, particularly among Labour people who normally
:21:01. > :21:02.in the yes vote, particularly among the Labour Party, this is definite,
:21:03. > :21:05.in each and every election in an independent Scotland that Scotland
:21:06. > :21:16.will have the Government that we vote for, not the Government that we
:21:17. > :21:22.vote for not anything else. Are you looking forward to it? This is a
:21:23. > :21:28.once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and I have absolute confidence tomorrow.
:21:29. > :21:31.The reason I say it is once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, as
:21:32. > :21:39.we know Mr Cameron only agreed it because they shout thought they were
:21:40. > :21:42.a shoe-in for a no vote. That is why it is a once-in-a-lifetime
:21:43. > :21:44.opportunity to take Scotland's future into Scotland's hands. Thank
:21:45. > :21:48.you very much indeed. Great pleasure.
:21:49. > :21:52.Alex Salmond during the course of this campaign. Lindsay, does he do
:21:53. > :21:56.it for you, he is push or pull factor when you listen to him? For
:21:57. > :22:00.me the debate isn't about Alex Salmond and I think a lot of the
:22:01. > :22:05.focus on Alex Salmond has been a bit of day version tactic. (Applause)
:22:06. > :22:13.and the yes campaign is a lot broader to me, you know, than just
:22:14. > :22:16.Alex Salmond. It incorporates the Greens, the National Collective,
:22:17. > :22:20.Women for Independent, English Scots for Independence. For me it is not
:22:21. > :22:29.about Alex Salmond, for me the most exciting thing is the possibility of
:22:30. > :22:35.having equal equality and human rights through there, and I wonder
:22:36. > :22:38.about that in Westminster where the three parties are indistinguishable
:22:39. > :22:43.and untrustworthy. You don't like Alex Salmond do you? You are voting
:22:44. > :22:48.yes? When I was first making my decisions you know I couldn't avoid
:22:49. > :22:53.it, I couldn't you know extract the image of Alex Salmond from you know,
:22:54. > :23:02.if you have reached a point in this campaign where you think it is an
:23:03. > :23:05.opportunity whether you have to pledge allegiance to nationalism or
:23:06. > :23:10.Alex Salmond you have missed the points. It is people like Patrick
:23:11. > :23:16.Harvey and Russell Brand who have more influence in this debate.
:23:17. > :23:18.Politicians don't represent us, working people, they represent
:23:19. > :23:22.millionaires. We have heard from Gordon Brown
:23:23. > :23:26.suddenly in the last ten days, has that been a factor? Since you
:23:27. > :23:30.mentioned Alex Salmond and whether or not you like him, what I would
:23:31. > :23:38.like to mention is that he keeps talking about our children, our
:23:39. > :23:41.future, Alex Salmond doesn't have any children, Nicola Sturgeon
:23:42. > :23:45.doesn't have children, how can they talk about kids when they don't have
:23:46. > :23:49.any, how can they talk about kids' futures when they don't have any,
:23:50. > :23:59.they are not parents. How can they talk about that. Alex Salmond is on
:24:00. > :24:03.an ego trip, and at the moment they are putting generators in the
:24:04. > :24:09.governor's house in Edinburgh because he plans to be King Salmond
:24:10. > :24:14.in his house. You have heard from Gordon Brown this week as well, has
:24:15. > :24:16.he stirred things up for you, has it been good? I have been very
:24:17. > :24:20.impressed with Gordon Brown this week with what he said. I would like
:24:21. > :24:24.to put it in a simplistic term, when you go to buy a house, the house
:24:25. > :24:28.developer will offer you every incentive possible to buy it, but at
:24:29. > :24:32.the end of it there is one golden rule, if you don't keep up your
:24:33. > :24:36.mortgage payments the house gets repossessed. From what I have heard
:24:37. > :24:39.from Alex Salmond is one thing, we will all be holding hands on Friday
:24:40. > :24:43.and walking into the sunset and he's not in any shape or form talking
:24:44. > :24:47.about any negative that is will come at from it. Alex Salmond whichever
:24:48. > :24:50.way you look at it is no different from any other Westminster MP, and
:24:51. > :24:56.until people actually realise that we're going down the river.
:24:57. > :25:01.(Applause) But the accusation he's tried to be a visionary, he has been
:25:02. > :25:09.unrealistic and he hasn't actually told you the truth. No, no. He's a
:25:10. > :25:16.good politician. Just one voice please. You in the cream shirt. I
:25:17. > :25:22.have got a question for the panel here, and for everyone else, this
:25:23. > :25:28.referendum in the last week or so it has all been about change, up until
:25:29. > :25:31.a week or ten days ago there was only one side talking about change
:25:32. > :25:38.and now fair dos it is all about change. What I would like to say is
:25:39. > :25:42.the UK economy is based 78% on the service industry, the majority of
:25:43. > :25:45.the service industry is the financial sector, and as far as I
:25:46. > :25:49.know, maybe the historians will correct me, but money lending has
:25:50. > :25:54.been around since Jesus was a boy, so what is progressive about it and
:25:55. > :25:58.what's new when the rest of the world is looking about creating
:25:59. > :26:02.knowledge-based economies. You have taken us into a very important next
:26:03. > :26:05.step and we're going to hear from Tom and we will hear from our
:26:06. > :26:10.historians as well on the economic questions, because they have really
:26:11. > :26:13.dominated the campaign. The no camp have questioned how sustainable an
:26:14. > :26:16.independent Scotland would be, whilst the yes side believes that
:26:17. > :26:20.freed from Westminster Scotland could flourish. So who is right?
:26:21. > :26:31.Chris Cook and Duncan Weldon have been looking into this.
:26:32. > :26:35.Why are we here? Well this is the best possible
:26:36. > :26:40.place, Edinburgh Castle to talk about Scotland, the union and fiscal
:26:41. > :26:45.policy. Back in 1707 at the Act of Union, part of the deal was England
:26:46. > :26:52.sent Scotland ?398,000, that is about ?7 billion in today's money as
:26:53. > :26:55.part of the deal. As a sweetener. Sorry Chris I zoned out, thought it
:26:56. > :26:59.was an economics report not history lecture. We can bring it up to date
:27:00. > :27:03.if I ask you one big question. It is fair to say that the campaign has
:27:04. > :27:06.been a lot more heat than light when it comes to economic, how is this
:27:07. > :27:10.for a question, if I put you in charge of the yes campaign, how
:27:11. > :27:21.would you make the case for economic independence. I wouldn't start from
:27:22. > :27:27.here. If I was making the economic case for yes I would start here,
:27:28. > :27:30.look at these bridge, amazing infrastructure, just across there
:27:31. > :27:37.you have a modern, high-tech shipyard. What this place says to
:27:38. > :27:43.me, there is more to Scotland than this caricature of offshore oil and
:27:44. > :27:47.a few major dodgy banks. You have high-value whiskey exports, tourism,
:27:48. > :27:50.modern services. What is often not appreciated, particularly in England
:27:51. > :27:54.is, at the moment in terms of economic output per head and
:27:55. > :27:57.national wealth, Scotland is the third-richest part of the UK. Only
:27:58. > :28:01.London and the south-east of England are ahead in terms of economic
:28:02. > :28:05.output. This is a strong base in which to launch an independent
:28:06. > :28:09.economy. OK, all right, but how would an independent Scotland's
:28:10. > :28:12.fiscal position look? I was almost hoping you wouldn't ask for the
:28:13. > :28:16.fiscal position. It wouldn't look great. But Scotland at the moment of
:28:17. > :28:20.independence, yeah they would have a large budget deficit, but, and this
:28:21. > :28:33.is pretty crucial, it would be smaller than the current UK deficit?
:28:34. > :28:46.Right, but that's now. So if I were put in charge of the no campaign
:28:47. > :28:54.which, I appreciate for a bloke from purelily from Purley is pretty
:28:55. > :28:58.unlikely. Scotland is reliant on the oil wealth but it is in decline. And
:28:59. > :29:02.its health and wealth expenditure will have to rise faster, the IFS
:29:03. > :29:09.thinks the line has crossed, Scotland has a worse fiscal position
:29:10. > :29:14.by 2017, and by 2021 Scotland has to engage in an austerity drive to keep
:29:15. > :29:18.stable. We are talking about 8p on income tax, or if you prefer 7p on
:29:19. > :29:21.VAT. So everyone will have tough choices to make in the years to
:29:22. > :29:25.come. Including the rest of the UK. But in Scotland those choices are
:29:26. > :29:30.much harder. We are talking about bone-crushing tightness. Thank you
:29:31. > :29:33.Dr Doom. The Institute of Fiscal Studies, they are well respected but
:29:34. > :29:40.not infallible. You know as well as I do that any economic forecast is
:29:41. > :29:43.basically an educated guess. On the demographics nobody says Scotland
:29:44. > :29:47.doesn't face a head wind, but it is not just about how many workers you
:29:48. > :29:52.have it is how productive workers are. If Scotland can find way to
:29:53. > :29:56.boost productivity, that problem looks less pressing. Every
:29:57. > :29:59.Government wants to boost productivity, what will Scotland do
:30:00. > :30:01.that it can't do now? That is interesting, at the moment the
:30:02. > :30:05.Government in Westminster and the opposition in Westminster they are
:30:06. > :30:09.coming to consensus about increasing productivity and pushing powers down
:30:10. > :30:13.to a local level and building northern powerhouse, if that is how
:30:14. > :30:23.you boost the economy, that is just an argument for independence. The
:30:24. > :30:26.other thing is Scotland would be a small, open economy, it could be
:30:27. > :30:30.more flexible taking advantage of opportunities, look at Ireland which
:30:31. > :30:33.slashed corporation tax down and attracted in big business it did a
:30:34. > :30:38.lot of good there. Ireland shows if you are a small economy you can be
:30:39. > :30:41.exposed to big international forces. We haven't spoken about things that
:30:42. > :30:44.Scotland has no control over, for example, it wants to join the
:30:45. > :30:47.European Union, great, fine, but the Spanish Government thinks it might
:30:48. > :30:50.take five years for them to get full membership again. Also remember the
:30:51. > :30:54.currency, we haven't even talked about that. Remember if they don't
:30:55. > :30:57.get currency union with London and London says they won't give it to
:30:58. > :31:01.them that they may have to run up big surplus so they can use
:31:02. > :31:05.sterling. Yeah, but it is no-one's interest for a newly independent
:31:06. > :31:08.Scotland's economy to fail. It is also not in Scottish interests to be
:31:09. > :31:12.relying on the kindness of strangers. Still it doesn't really
:31:13. > :31:15.feel as though there is a sort of killer single knockout argument on
:31:16. > :31:19.either side on the economics of all of this. But that's true, but on the
:31:20. > :31:23.other hand is it a good idea to be relying on the kindness of
:31:24. > :31:28.strangers? It doesn't feel to me as though there has been a big knockout
:31:29. > :31:33.argument either way in all of this. But I assume there won't be many
:31:34. > :31:39.people just voting on what it will do to GDP and the fiscal balance.
:31:40. > :31:46.Not people look back at India and say could the economy have grown
:31:47. > :31:51.faster without it. Our economics supremos for one night only Duncan
:31:52. > :31:56.and Chris in the same piece. With us Tom Hunter and historians Neil
:31:57. > :32:01.Oliver and Fiona Watson. Tom you have a lot of experience globally
:32:02. > :32:03.around the world, when you think of Scotland as an independent identity,
:32:04. > :32:09.could it flourish, does small matter? Of course Scotland could
:32:10. > :32:14.flourish. The question is should Scotland go independent? Not could.
:32:15. > :32:20.It definitely could. But should it? We have heard a lot tonight about
:32:21. > :32:24.Scotland being this civil and just society. And I'm slightly worried
:32:25. > :32:29.that one side is trying to take that. I haven't met anybody who
:32:30. > :32:34.doesn't believe in a civil and just society. Taking care of those who
:32:35. > :32:38.can't take care of themselves. (Applause) the fact of the matter
:32:39. > :32:43.is, and we have poverty campaigners here, and yes I have been to Easter
:32:44. > :32:47.House and looked at the food banks and I'm really ashamed that in this
:32:48. > :32:51.home, the place that I call home, we have food banks where we're told
:32:52. > :32:56.we're this rich nation but we have food banks. That is a disgrace. It
:32:57. > :33:02.is an absolute disgrace. But the only way we pay for this and this is
:33:03. > :33:07.something that is absolutely crucial is that Governments don't have
:33:08. > :33:12.money. Governments spend money. The only way we pay for a civil and just
:33:13. > :33:16.society is businesses flourishing, paying their taxes, employing
:33:17. > :33:23.people, et cetera, that is the only way it happens. Applause. Let me go
:33:24. > :33:27.to Fiona. Implicit in that is an idea that you can't just be
:33:28. > :33:36.emotional about this, you have got to be a realist. And Scotland could
:33:37. > :33:39.suffer on its own. Neil when you are talking about the economic, one
:33:40. > :33:46.person says this and one says that, all I can see from my perspective as
:33:47. > :33:52.a medieval Scottish historian for most of Scottish history we have
:33:53. > :33:59.punched above our weight, we have an incredible resource, not just the
:34:00. > :34:05.physical assets but the people resources. But the issues in Panama
:34:06. > :34:10.the union was created after it went so wrong. Scotland was in a position
:34:11. > :34:15.where its king was the king of England and when William of Orange
:34:16. > :34:19.was here he represented the interests of the East India Company,
:34:20. > :34:24.it is like having Tesco's, Sainsbury's and Morrisons run with
:34:25. > :34:30.one head. Don't you believe you are being a bit 19th century saying we
:34:31. > :34:37.have to have this union, this Great Britain to survive? I don't think it
:34:38. > :34:42.is 19th century, I think bizarrely when the parliament's unified, when
:34:43. > :34:46.the kingdom was unified a century before that, it was an incredibly
:34:47. > :34:55.modern step. We were in the business of take ago -- taking away borders
:34:56. > :35:08.and to be back in a position of drawing lines on maps is more of
:35:09. > :35:12.backward step. I think we have already demonstrably had problems
:35:13. > :35:16.with the union, and the referendum has energised that. Scotland built
:35:17. > :35:21.the world, the gentleman said we should lead the world not rule the
:35:22. > :35:27.world. That is Scotland's talent. If we have the tools then we have the
:35:28. > :35:30.tools now. A lady here will explode if we don't let her talk. It is a
:35:31. > :35:36.fallacy that you are saying these things. To get back to the 21st
:35:37. > :35:42.century, to get back to now, you know, the union has not helped
:35:43. > :35:47.anybody get, hang on... Just a minute, I haven't said anything yet.
:35:48. > :35:50.Just a second. Finish your point. When you said I think we should be
:35:51. > :35:56.in the union because I care about the children in food banks in
:35:57. > :36:00.England and the rest of the UK as well as Scotland. How, it hasn't
:36:01. > :36:05.worked before? The union has not helped, Westminster and the
:36:06. > :36:13.Westminster consensus, the neo-liberal Westminster consensus
:36:14. > :36:17.has never helped kids yet. That is no argument for a union, that is
:36:18. > :36:21.what I'm saying. I want the perspective of one who has been in
:36:22. > :36:24.the army, you have served and worked in the army. Tell us what difference
:36:25. > :36:31.you think it would make if Scotland was on its own? I just think the
:36:32. > :36:35.threats to Scotland, whether Scotland is in the union or out of
:36:36. > :36:40.the union, they are probably broadly the same, whether it is
:36:41. > :36:43.international terrorism, global financial markets, climate change or
:36:44. > :36:49.good old fashioned state on state conflict. The thing is I believe our
:36:50. > :36:53.ability as a country to deal with those, to be resilient against them
:36:54. > :36:57.is much diminished if we are by ourselves and I think for me it is a
:36:58. > :37:01.terribly simple matter this, we have been focussing on the naval quite a
:37:02. > :37:06.lot and the things that are close in, and are home and we feel, know
:37:07. > :37:09.and understand, but actually the world doesn't stop at Gretna or
:37:10. > :37:14.London, there is an awful lot more of it out there. Do you think an
:37:15. > :37:21.independent Scotland is a safer country? You have had your hand up?
:37:22. > :37:28.I would just like to say we keep hearing about the no campaign about
:37:29. > :37:34.the risks of going into independence. What about the risks
:37:35. > :37:37.of staying as part of England, the chances are in the general election
:37:38. > :37:40.we will have a hung parliament, the Conservative Government will be
:37:41. > :37:43.looking for a coalition, they won't put Cameron in charge, they will
:37:44. > :37:47.have a coalition with UKIP led by Nigel Farage, do we want to be led
:37:48. > :37:52.by those two, are they going to show us compassion, I don't think so.
:37:53. > :37:57.What about Scotland chosing the leader it wants? Alex Salmond has
:37:58. > :38:04.said a vote for the SNP will get rid of a Tory Government. Oh no it
:38:05. > :38:08.won't. You are going to get a Tory Government for the rest of your life
:38:09. > :38:15.because you will sell away the votes of five million Scottish people. You
:38:16. > :38:19.are going to lose 41 ministers in England. We are going to come back
:38:20. > :38:24.to this. Through the course of this campaign though the Westminster
:38:25. > :38:29.leaders have sounded increasingly like desperate boyfriends, pleading
:38:30. > :38:33.and threatening in equal measure, the language is one of bitter
:38:34. > :38:41.divorces, break-ups and a marriage that needs a bit of work. Nonsense
:38:42. > :38:47.says the yes campagin. This is just the lodger who has grown up in his
:38:48. > :38:51.parents home and knows it is time to leave.
:38:52. > :38:54.For 300 years, it has been a complicated relationship. The Act of
:38:55. > :39:05.Union itself was hardly straight forward. Then there was the battle
:39:06. > :39:08.of cull of Culloden, and the introduction of poll tax, as David
:39:09. > :39:13.Cameron is fond of pointing out there are ups and downs, the
:39:14. > :39:17.Scottish enlightenment, men from both of the border caught at
:39:18. > :39:21.Dunkirk. This is a decision that could break up our family of
:39:22. > :39:25.nations, and rip Scotland from the rest of the United Kingdom.
:39:26. > :39:32.Independence would not be a trial separation, it would be a painful
:39:33. > :39:37.divorce. A 300-mile train ride south from Scotland and you arrive here at
:39:38. > :39:41.King's Cross St Pancras, politicians in London have become increasingly
:39:42. > :39:46.fond of that kind of language. It is not just independence, it is a
:39:47. > :39:52.break-up, a split up, the end of a long-term relationship. It is the
:39:53. > :39:57.language mainly of the no camp, but the SNP has also talked about the
:39:58. > :40:01.abusive relationship between England and Scotland. Alex Salmond has said
:40:02. > :40:05.we should be just good friends. Watching the Prime Minister over the
:40:06. > :40:10.last couple of week, first of all he has said look if you go that's it,
:40:11. > :40:14.I'm keeping the house, I'm keeping the car, custody of the children, if
:40:15. > :40:20.you think you can live without me you really are very silly and then
:40:21. > :40:23.he suddenly realised that this partner is still determined to go
:40:24. > :40:28.and may well be leaving. And so at that point he sort of pulled out the
:40:29. > :40:33.big guns with the "I love you so much" and the "please don't no" and
:40:34. > :40:40."who will we be without you", "how could we possibly be apart". If
:40:41. > :40:44.Scotland votes yes it will be a huge challenge, just like a marriage
:40:45. > :40:48.breaking up or a family being in dissent. It is a huge challenge. It
:40:49. > :40:54.is not only a negative challenge though. Even when people are in
:40:55. > :40:59.absolute agony about divorce there is something interesting or
:41:00. > :41:03.something engaging about there might be something else for me. Even if
:41:04. > :41:08.you are the wronged party. If the vote does go the way of the
:41:09. > :41:12.yes camp, there will then be 18 months of tough negotiations before
:41:13. > :41:16.independence, again the language used is the language of a
:41:17. > :41:21.relationship, there is talk of dividing the assets, of sharing
:41:22. > :41:25.custody of military bases. Who owns the assets, does Scotland own the
:41:26. > :41:29.oil, if Scotland owns the oil who owns the oil rig, what about the
:41:30. > :41:33.money we have spent developing the oil, is that UK-based, what do we do
:41:34. > :41:36.about Dolly the sheep, was that a breakthrough for Great Britain, or
:41:37. > :41:44.was it just a breakthrough for great Scotland. The symbolism in the last
:41:45. > :41:47.few days of the campaign has been unambiguous, Gordon Brown appeared
:41:48. > :41:53.in front of giant hearts, love bombing Scottish voters with talk of
:41:54. > :41:57.togetherness. But at the same time the message from David Cameron in
:41:58. > :42:01.Westminster has been harder. Walk away and there will be no getting
:42:02. > :42:08.back together. I think it would have been better to stay away from the
:42:09. > :42:13.humanisation of to have not used words like "separation" and
:42:14. > :42:25."divorce", but we haven't gone that positive route, it has become
:42:26. > :42:29.D-I-V-O-R-C-E! Have we damaged this relation forever? It will be hard,
:42:30. > :42:38.and I suspect it is the beginning of a longer process, it really is, it
:42:39. > :42:42.is going to be tough. Are we going to need some therapy for the
:42:43. > :42:48.country? We are going to need therapy, I don't know who is up for
:42:49. > :42:53.the job, it's not me! What are we to make of the language of separation
:42:54. > :42:55.and divorce, let's discuss with two people of letters, Ian Morrison, a
:42:56. > :43:01.Scottish writer who recently defected from the yes campaign, and
:43:02. > :43:06.the poet Jenny Lindsay who is planning to vote yes. What do you
:43:07. > :43:09.make of this language when we have heard the constant references to
:43:10. > :43:15.break-ups and divorce and bitterness? I have always found the
:43:16. > :43:20.marriage rhetoric quite irritating to be honest with you, because while
:43:21. > :43:24.not disrespecting some of the people who have spoken this evening about
:43:25. > :43:29.feeling like we're a family of nations. What it is is political
:43:30. > :43:34.rhetoric designed to silence debate. Because if you start talking about
:43:35. > :43:37.the independence referendum as being about divorcing, about ripping us
:43:38. > :43:41.apart and floating off into the North Sea, which we're not planning
:43:42. > :43:46.on doing, we're planning on staying right here, it silences debate and
:43:47. > :43:54.makes people feel guilty. It makes people feel bad about leaving their
:43:55. > :43:59.friends and family. Also feeds into the idea, pardon, intimidating? It
:44:00. > :44:03.is a bit desperate isn't it? I think in terms of the way that the entire
:44:04. > :44:07.debate run, you know, some of the things that Jenny is talking about
:44:08. > :44:12.are things that are also levelled against the yes camp, that they play
:44:13. > :44:18.with words that the words themselves are intimidatory, I do agree with
:44:19. > :44:23.Jenny that we should really at this stage get beyond talking in
:44:24. > :44:27.metaphors, if Alex Salmond is talking about it not being a divorce
:44:28. > :44:32.or separation, it is a teenage child living with parents and wanting to
:44:33. > :44:36.leave. Then you go why would you give power to a teenage child to run
:44:37. > :44:41.Government. It is a bit silly. What else do you do without metaphor, you
:44:42. > :44:46.don't want drei dry language or currency union debates? Yes itself
:44:47. > :44:51.is a great big metaphor. In itself it is too loaded with alternative
:44:52. > :44:54.meanings. I don't think we would have the euphoria around yes if the
:44:55. > :44:58.wording in the referendum had been the other way round. I think it is
:44:59. > :45:02.very simplistic, I think the reason that I find the marriage metaphor
:45:03. > :45:07.quite so irritating, and I will say it is only when politicians do it, I
:45:08. > :45:11.have seen many artists and writers create brilliant creative responses
:45:12. > :45:13.using marriage as a metaphor, talking about going through a
:45:14. > :45:16.process of England and Scotland and the rest of the UK talking and
:45:17. > :45:20.things like that. That is all grand, but when politicians use it, don't
:45:21. > :45:24.be under any illusions, it is designed to silence debate and make
:45:25. > :45:29.you feel scared and make you feel guilty. I suppose it is like Orwell
:45:30. > :45:34.said political language of all kind, and sure it is on the yes side as
:45:35. > :45:37.well, it is designed to make lies sound truthful, murder respectable
:45:38. > :45:41.and give the appearance of solidity to pure whims. When you ask the
:45:42. > :45:44.audience they say they have felt more energised and more close to
:45:45. > :45:58.change with this one moment and referendum than at any other time? I
:45:59. > :46:03.would say that is reactionary because seven days a week the media
:46:04. > :46:10.is broadcasting opinion as news. Anyone disagree? What about the
:46:11. > :46:15.media burning Union Jacks up in Scotland, at Bannockburn. They are
:46:16. > :46:19.burning Union Jacks and that is what will happen. The genie is out of the
:46:20. > :46:24.bottle and there will be sectarian strive. He's talking about
:46:25. > :46:29.separation and ripping the heart out of something. Just a second? The BBC
:46:30. > :46:32.has been accused of bias. David Cameron should have stayed away,
:46:33. > :46:38.he's not popular in Scotland. However any question that's asked of
:46:39. > :46:42.the yes campaign, if people ask for answers to any questions, you don't
:46:43. > :46:45.get answers, you get told you are scaremongering, there is no actual
:46:46. > :46:52.answers given. We have got two hand, yours at the back and then I will
:46:53. > :46:57.come to you. It is resorting to metaphor, my granddad was a northern
:46:58. > :46:59.English trade unionist who married a middle-class Scottish Tory, on paper
:47:00. > :47:03.that shouldn't have worked, it is like the union itself, on paper you
:47:04. > :47:05.think we are two completely different countries and yet it has
:47:06. > :47:10.worked, that is the great thing about the union and what makes the
:47:11. > :47:16.United Kingdom and a Great Britain. Maybe that is right, maybe you are
:47:17. > :47:20.looking at something up here. What I said earlier, the problem is one of
:47:21. > :47:23.democracy, who gets to choose what happens in Scotland, when Neil
:47:24. > :47:28.Oliver was on earlier on, he praised the union and how we show concern
:47:29. > :47:32.for other people, the fact of the matter is the Labour Party, which
:47:33. > :47:36.has been elected in Scotland, directs its concerns to the concerns
:47:37. > :47:39.of the City of London and the much, much bigger country, which is
:47:40. > :47:43.England which forms part of the union, we do not get our own choices
:47:44. > :47:49.here. Right, we have come to a pretty key
:47:50. > :47:57.moment in the show, because tomorrow our handful of undecided will have
:47:58. > :48:00.to bite the bullet. We have asked one person from the audience to make
:48:01. > :48:04.a brief final pitch. We will go first to the no campaign, Gary you
:48:05. > :48:10.volunteered to do this, I will keep you to a minute? A yes vote tomorrow
:48:11. > :48:13.is a vote for your vision of an independent Scotland. That is the
:48:14. > :48:17.problem with the campaign so far, if you look at the no campaign you can
:48:18. > :48:20.see where the division s you can see Labour, Tories and Liberal
:48:21. > :48:24.Democrats, all campaigning for a no, but all trying to get their digs in
:48:25. > :48:27.each other at the same time. That hasn't been seen in the yes
:48:28. > :48:30.campaign, the reason is all they are asking for is independence, without
:48:31. > :48:33.any idea what will follow afterwards. As part of that campaign
:48:34. > :48:38.there are people who want to create a new oil boom on the same side as
:48:39. > :48:41.greens. There are people like Business for Scotland who want to
:48:42. > :48:45.cut corporation tax and make this place aer in van a that for
:48:46. > :48:48.business, at the same time there are people who are socialists and who
:48:49. > :48:52.want more tax and spend in Scotland. Day after a yes vote those people
:48:53. > :48:55.will be at loggerheads with each other and take the arguments we have
:48:56. > :49:00.in the UK and scale it down to the level of Scotland, and the same
:49:01. > :49:04.squabbling on a smaller scale. I will stop you there and give Billy
:49:05. > :49:13.the time to make the pitch for the yes vote. Let's hear Billy talk to
:49:14. > :49:16.the undecided voters. We are always accused on the yes side of not being
:49:17. > :49:22.able to answer questions, and we always respond with talking about
:49:23. > :49:27.scaremongering, but we heard tonight somebody saying that if we vote yes
:49:28. > :49:30.we are looking down the barrel at a financial crisis. I would just like
:49:31. > :49:39.to say where have we been for the last six years. This country is ?1.
:49:40. > :49:47.4 trillion in debt. Financial crisi scare monger, you are talking ing, I
:49:48. > :49:52.have been asking one question of the no side for the last two years and I
:49:53. > :50:00.have not heard one sensible answer yet so unbehalf of these people here
:50:01. > :50:08.in what way does any country benefit from being subservient to another
:50:09. > :50:11.country. Thank you very much. And now it is down to you three in the
:50:12. > :50:16.middle, Jason, I will start with you, has anything you heard tonight
:50:17. > :50:20.from the people up here, from your fellow audience members changed your
:50:21. > :50:23.mind, helped you make your mind up? Unfortunately I would probably say
:50:24. > :50:31.no, I'm in the same position I was before. But that is swinging this
:50:32. > :50:37.way, to Gary's point. I would rather a rabble after an independence vote
:50:38. > :50:43.than the homogeneous mess than we have in Westminster right now. Sorry
:50:44. > :50:47.we are out of time, Lindsay your feelings? I have been disappointed
:50:48. > :50:54.by a lot of the negativity put forward by the no side of the
:50:55. > :50:57.audience and also a lot of real focussing on neo-liberal economic
:50:58. > :51:02.arguments, I want to live in a community not an economy. I want a
:51:03. > :51:05.Scotland based on equality and not the markets, I think that we have
:51:06. > :51:18.more of a chance for that under a yes vote. Have you just been won
:51:19. > :51:20.over, that sounds like two yes. Anne-Marie we started with you and
:51:21. > :51:24.will end with you, what are you feeling? I have heard both sides it
:51:25. > :51:28.is massively compelling to have somebody say in your house you look
:51:29. > :51:33.after your own finances because you have got your own interests. I don't
:51:34. > :51:36.think it is a selfish premise to say that you are being selfish to your
:51:37. > :51:40.neighbours that live two and three houses down because you are
:51:41. > :51:45.controlling your own budget and looking after your own house, I
:51:46. > :51:49.think it is a compelling argument and I probably would say there is
:51:50. > :51:53.more positivity coming from this side and it has been very negative.
:51:54. > :52:02.Your husband is on this side? I will speak to him when I go home. Thank
:52:03. > :52:05.you all very much indeed. A terrific audience with us. That is all we
:52:06. > :52:12.have time for, just to remind you, as if you didn't know, the polls
:52:13. > :52:16.open at 7.00 tomorrow, that is 7-and-a-half hours time. Kirsty is
:52:17. > :52:18.back tomorrow from Edinburgh, from all of us here, good night. Thanks
:52:19. > :52:49.for watching. Er The low cloud along the east
:52:50. > :52:53.coast is pushing back inland overnight. It will be a grey misty
:52:54. > :52:55.start for many of us, patchy fog into Scotland and north-east
:52:56. > :52:57.England. We should see the