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:00:00. > :00:11.there are reports of many dead in Paris

:00:12. > :00:14.in several major suspected terror attacks in the city.

:00:15. > :00:16.There is an ongoing hostage situation at a Paris concert hall.

:00:17. > :00:20.We'll have the latest news and analysis from Paris and London.

:00:21. > :00:25.In Syria, two blows for ISIS, the likely death of the

:00:26. > :00:28.British Kuwaiti Mohammed Emwazi, and their rout in Sinjar, So will

:00:29. > :00:34.Isis be defeated by targetted drone strikes or hard fought combat?

:00:35. > :00:36.And on Artsnight, Radio One DJ Clara Amfo looks

:00:37. > :00:39.at how the celebrity machine works and meets one of the world's most

:00:40. > :00:54.What is your interaction with the public like? You try to keep as far

:00:55. > :00:57.away from the general public as possible, limit your interactions

:00:58. > :00:59.with them, when you are successful and it is publicly noted, you become

:01:00. > :01:08.a target. There is turmoil

:01:09. > :01:11.in Paris tonight after suspected coordinated terror attacks that have

:01:12. > :01:18.resulted in several deaths. French television is reporting

:01:19. > :01:21.as many as 40 dead. There was a shootout in at least two

:01:22. > :01:24.restaurants, one in the 10th arrondissement, and there were also

:01:25. > :01:26.two explosions apparently caused by grenades in a bar near the Stade de

:01:27. > :01:30.France, in the north of the city, where France was playing Germany

:01:31. > :01:31.at football. But there are also reports that

:01:32. > :01:38.there are hostages In the last few minutes David

:01:39. > :01:42.Cameron has said, thoughts and prayers are with the French people,

:01:43. > :01:49.we will do whatever we can to help. We will be looking at this

:01:50. > :01:53.throughout the programme. We go over to Lucy Williamson, in Paris, first

:01:54. > :02:00.of all, we are in the middle of all of this. There is reports of further

:02:01. > :02:03.incidents at the Louvre. This situation is developing all of the

:02:04. > :02:12.time, we now have confirmation we think of reports, we believe there

:02:13. > :02:19.are fresh attacks taking place very recently in the last few minutes

:02:20. > :02:25.tonight. As yet, we have no arrests, indeed, no shootings towards whoever

:02:26. > :02:28.it was who cause the attacks. We certainly think the attackers are

:02:29. > :02:32.still at large in Paris, no reports that they have been apprehended by

:02:33. > :02:37.the police, and the security forces, as well as looking for those people,

:02:38. > :02:40.are also trying to manage the hostage crisis that has unfolded at

:02:41. > :02:45.a concert hall in the north-east of the city. We understand it is a jazz

:02:46. > :02:53.concert Hall, packed on a Friday night, there is talk of 100

:02:54. > :02:59.hostages. From what you know, who has been deployed? Local police? Who

:03:00. > :03:04.else? CRS That is the information we are not getting clarity on, the

:03:05. > :03:08.police are tight-lipped about what is happening. But we are getting

:03:09. > :03:14.these reports that there may be 100 people held inside, we are also

:03:15. > :03:19.getting reports, unconfirmed, that there may be 35 or 40 people killed

:03:20. > :03:23.in the attack on the concert hall. One witness, who was inside the

:03:24. > :03:26.hall, she managed to escape, she spoke with local media confirming

:03:27. > :03:32.she had seen an attacker shoots someone in front of her, she managed

:03:33. > :03:38.to get out, apparently, before becoming part of the situation. Many

:03:39. > :03:43.resources, a lot of focus, put on trying to resolve that situation.

:03:44. > :03:48.Also, in terms of what is being used, we hear reports of grenades

:03:49. > :03:52.and Kalashnikovs. Coming from eyewitnesses, yet to be confirmed,

:03:53. > :03:57.but we have reports that the gunmen who attacked the Asian restaurant,

:03:58. > :04:01.the first reports we had, may have used a semiautomatic weapon. To

:04:02. > :04:06.attack the customers. Another witness, inside the national

:04:07. > :04:09.stadium, told local media that he believed there was two or three

:04:10. > :04:13.grenades set off, and at least one person had been killed. This is a

:04:14. > :04:18.picture changing all of the time, the number of dead seems too has

:04:19. > :04:22.risen, is rising rapidly, as we go through the night. Francois Hollande

:04:23. > :04:28.was at the friendly match, between Germany and France, he was brought

:04:29. > :04:32.back. Has he said anything yet? He has gone into a crisis meeting with

:04:33. > :04:34.the interior minister and the Prime Minister, to try to work out a

:04:35. > :04:39.strategy to get control of the situation. If these latest reports

:04:40. > :04:43.are true and the new attacks have taken place, as reports say they are

:04:44. > :04:48.doing, then it would be multiple attacks, in Paris, within an hour or

:04:49. > :04:53.two of each other, mostly in the centre, in some of the most famous

:04:54. > :04:57.spots in the capital. Six attacks, maybe five attacks, taking place

:04:58. > :05:01.tonight. That is yet to be confirmed. If reports are to be

:05:02. > :05:04.believed, this could be an incredibly complicated, one of the

:05:05. > :05:09.most widespread attacks that Paris has ever seen. Ten months ago,

:05:10. > :05:14.Charlie Hebdo, no link, as far as anybody could ascertain, to Isis,

:05:15. > :05:19.does anybody yet believe that this is an attack led by Isis? At the

:05:20. > :05:22.moment very little is being said about the motives of the attackers

:05:23. > :05:26.but of course, the nature of the attacks is going to have everybody

:05:27. > :05:30.thinking about parallels, about bringing back the memories of the

:05:31. > :05:34.Charlie Hebdo attack, the hostage situation, the gunmen entering the

:05:35. > :05:38.building, in central Paris. The shocking nature of the attacks

:05:39. > :05:43.themselves. There has been a lot of talk recently about France's role in

:05:44. > :05:46.the conflict in Syria and Iraq. France is worried about people

:05:47. > :05:51.coming back to France from those conflicts and causing these kind of

:05:52. > :05:55.problems at homes. -- at home. That is going to be one of the primary

:05:56. > :06:04.areas of investigation, as police go forward. Thank you very much.

:06:05. > :06:10.What sense are you getting from the picture? Since the attack in

:06:11. > :06:13.Mumbai, people in other major world cities have feared this scenario

:06:14. > :06:21.that we are now seeing unfolding in Paris tonight. Multiple terrorists,

:06:22. > :06:26.sowing death in different parts of a city, bringing complete paralysis,

:06:27. > :06:30.of course, many misleading reports, panic, all of these things. A

:06:31. > :06:34.massive effect across the city. The British have trained, I have been

:06:35. > :06:38.aware of certain aspects of this in the last couple of years, training

:06:39. > :06:42.and preparation. The French have trained this kind of contingency,

:06:43. > :06:46.especially since Charlie Hebdo. Now we see it unfolding, I think that we

:06:47. > :06:51.can assume that some of these early death tolls will be on the low side.

:06:52. > :06:54.We hear that at the theatre but we have also seen pictures on social

:06:55. > :07:00.media of multiple courses in other places. It is a truly dreadful

:07:01. > :07:06.situation. The other thing, of course, the terrorists, by going for

:07:07. > :07:10.a major world city, they are seizing opportunities like the football

:07:11. > :07:15.match between France and Germany, going on at the Stade de France, and

:07:16. > :07:17.we can see footage of audio where we can see the first bomb going outside

:07:18. > :07:30.the stadium. The reports from the Stade de France

:07:31. > :07:33.in particular suggest a couple of bombs outside initially but later

:07:34. > :07:37.reports suggest people throwing hand grenades inside of the stadium, and

:07:38. > :07:42.fans going down onto the pitch to try to escape them. Chaos there, at

:07:43. > :07:49.a major international sporting fixture, president Francois Hollande

:07:50. > :07:53.was at the fixture and was taken away, then we have the shooting

:07:54. > :07:57.incidents come using Kalashnikovs, a hallmark of the Charlie Hebdo and

:07:58. > :08:01.Mumbai style attack, and then the hostage situation, at the theatre,

:08:02. > :08:08.where, anything up to 100 people main lb taken. With multiple gunmen.

:08:09. > :08:13.We are hearing that people, resumes, have been told to stay in doors and

:08:14. > :08:20.stay at home. -- hearing that people, Parisiens. That's jazz club,

:08:21. > :08:27.the movement of the Pompidou Centre and Les Halles Shopping Mall and the

:08:28. > :08:32.Louvre. Looking at this, several possible interpretations, one is

:08:33. > :08:36.that the gunmen, as also happened in Mumbai and Charlie Hebdo, were

:08:37. > :08:40.moving around, and shooting people in different places. Clearly there

:08:41. > :08:46.was more than their work, there were multiple gunmen. It may there was

:08:47. > :08:51.two distinct waves. Once the theatre was surrounded, with some gunmen

:08:52. > :08:55.inside it, follow one incidents seem to have occurred, at Les Halles

:08:56. > :08:58.Shopping Mall and other places, which suggests there was a

:08:59. > :09:03.deliberate second wave to the attack. We will come back to you

:09:04. > :09:05.later, as soon as we get more intelligence on that. Joining me

:09:06. > :09:12.now. Nabila Ramdani, a French Algerian

:09:13. > :09:13.journalist who specialises in terrorism, Nadhim

:09:14. > :09:16.Zahawi, the Conservative MP who sits on the foreign affairs select

:09:17. > :09:20.committee, and the Syria expert and war correspondent Janine Di

:09:21. > :09:34.Giovanni, I was at that restaurant last week,

:09:35. > :09:41.Petit Cambodge, in the 11th, one of the attack sites, apparently. A lot

:09:42. > :09:45.of young people would go there on a Friday night, outdoor seating, the

:09:46. > :09:48.weather has been nice. It is shocking and horrible but in a

:09:49. > :09:53.sense, I think that the people of Paris have been geared up for this

:09:54. > :09:59.since January, since Charlie Hebdo. You think there has been an air of

:10:00. > :10:04.tension? Definitely, and also, a lot of vigilance, the country has been

:10:05. > :10:10.on high alert. All of the major rail stations, Metros, you see armed

:10:11. > :10:15.police, all of the time. There has been much more a sense of people

:10:16. > :10:29.taking care of wheel caution. And again, France's role against Isis.

:10:30. > :10:37.France has the least effective record on integration of their

:10:38. > :10:52.people. Do you see this daily, the lack of integration? Alienation?

:10:53. > :10:58.Absolutely. Immigrants feel disenfranchised, they live only on

:10:59. > :11:02.the outskirts of Harry, -- Paris. That is the case of the brothers in

:11:03. > :11:09.the Charlie Hebdo attack. This is your area, your area of expertise.

:11:10. > :11:12.As the story started, initially, one might have thought it could have

:11:13. > :11:21.been the settling of scores between gangs, rivalry. Happens quite often

:11:22. > :11:26.in the South of France, big cities like Marseille, drug gangs, less so

:11:27. > :11:33.in Paris, it must be said. But as the death toll kept rising, and

:11:34. > :11:37.indeed, we kept learning more, this is multiple attacks across Paris,

:11:38. > :11:41.which is a small village in comparison with London, all

:11:42. > :11:43.locations will be close by. They are inevitable. This has all the

:11:44. > :11:50.hallmarks of a major terrorist attack. Long planned. Kalashnikov

:11:51. > :11:56.wielding gunman, bomb at motions involving grenades, hostagetaking

:11:57. > :12:03.situations, corpses strewn on the streets of Paris, ambulances and

:12:04. > :12:08.fire engines. What is particularly horrific about the situation, the

:12:09. > :12:13.people involved... The criminals involved... They seem to have gone

:12:14. > :12:17.after soft targets, talking about targeting people who are out on a

:12:18. > :12:22.Friday night, relaxed, restaurants, concert halls. More information, the

:12:23. > :12:30.police are now saying, 100 hostages are inside the concert hall, what

:12:31. > :12:35.you know about Bataclan? Famous jazz club, would have been packed. Mainly

:12:36. > :12:42.frequented by young people, very cheap to get a ticket... Very

:12:43. > :12:47.attractive place, not only for residents of Paris but for students

:12:48. > :12:54.visiting, tourists as well. It would be, dare I say, the perfect target

:12:55. > :12:59.for a major incident. In terms of preparation, since Charlie Hebdo,

:13:00. > :13:05.and plans and cordon nation, we know that... -- and plans and

:13:06. > :13:10.coordination. More evidence of police at stations. How do you think

:13:11. > :13:16.there has been an idea of combating terror since Charlie Hebdo? Has

:13:17. > :13:21.there been a big change of plans? There has been, since Charlie Hebdo,

:13:22. > :13:27.no doubt that France has been on its highest alert ever. Not least of all

:13:28. > :13:33.because it has been struck in the heart of the capital city. It is a

:13:34. > :13:38.western capital city as well. France is also involved in major conflict

:13:39. > :13:43.zones abroad, Francois Hollande may be a socialist at home, but he is a

:13:44. > :13:48.hawk when it comes to foreign policy. That makes France a possible

:13:49. > :13:50.target for revenge attacks stop what we will pause, because Barack Obama

:13:51. > :13:58.has just been speaking: Once again, we have seen an

:13:59. > :14:04.outrageous attempt to terrorise innocent civilians. This is an

:14:05. > :14:09.attack not just an Paris, it is an attack not just an the people of

:14:10. > :14:20.France, but this is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values

:14:21. > :14:22.that we share. We stand prepared to provide whatever assistance is

:14:23. > :14:27.needed by the people of France and the government, to respond. Barack

:14:28. > :14:33.Obama speaking a few moments ago. What do you make of this? I echo

:14:34. > :14:37.what David Cameron has said, thoughts and prayers must be with

:14:38. > :14:41.the victims and those that have been held hostage. We must stand united

:14:42. > :14:44.against this evil, David Cameron is right to say that we will do

:14:45. > :14:50.everything we can to help in any way that we can. There is coordination

:14:51. > :14:55.across Europe, an anti-terrorism, we were successful a few weeks ago,

:14:56. > :15:01.with the arrests in Italy, if you remember. This is a spectacular...

:15:02. > :15:05.In terms of planning and preparation and the failure to even get a wind

:15:06. > :15:11.of this? ! It feels horrific, bloodcurdling. These people have got

:15:12. > :15:15.to get lucky only once... Police forces have got to get lucky every

:15:16. > :15:19.single day. We have a bill before Parliament to help police and

:15:20. > :15:23.agencies track these people electronically, it is important

:15:24. > :15:27.that, fiercely, we get the details of this, we understand what has

:15:28. > :15:32.happened. Clearly, what happened, in the Sinai, in Egypt, with the

:15:33. > :15:37.Russian airliner... There seems to be a North African connection,

:15:38. > :15:41.possibly. Early days, but it is important that we work together and

:15:42. > :15:45.cordon eight. David Cameron is right to say that we will do everything we

:15:46. > :15:49.can to help. We have just heard that the French president has said that

:15:50. > :15:56.this is a terrorist attack on France without precedent.

:15:57. > :16:05.How do you deal with the threat? We have to get lucky every day. Theresa

:16:06. > :16:11.May has talked about the number of incidents we have thwarted. Mark

:16:12. > :16:16.wants to come in. Well, a key aspect of this, as it was in Charlie Hebdo,

:16:17. > :16:22.was how do you bring military-style firearms into a city like Paris or

:16:23. > :16:25.indeed London? I had a conversation with a senior counter-terrorist

:16:26. > :16:29.figure in the UK after the Charlie Hebdo thing, saying what is to stop

:16:30. > :16:34.that happening here? He expressed confidence that the number of

:16:35. > :16:38.firearms, a couple of hundred that is in circulation with the

:16:39. > :16:42.underworld as one understood but in France the situation was different.

:16:43. > :16:45.Clearly tonight, something terrible has happened in terms of the

:16:46. > :16:50.quantity of weapons and explosives that somebody has managed to get

:16:51. > :16:52.into that city. We will of course come back to events in Paris

:16:53. > :16:55.tonight, but to other news now. According to a US official,

:16:56. > :16:57.one British drone and two American ones worked together intimately

:16:58. > :17:00.in the operation that targeted Mohammad Emwazi, who appeared

:17:01. > :17:02.in Isis execution videos. David Cameron called the attack

:17:03. > :17:04.on the torturer known as Jihadi John in a car in the Northern Syrian town

:17:05. > :17:08.of Raqqa as "a strike at Emwazi apparently killed seven

:17:09. > :17:10.hostages, including British aid workers

:17:11. > :17:13.David Haines and Alan Henning. But perhaps

:17:14. > :17:15.the more significant story this week, in terms of the war on Islamic

:17:16. > :17:18.State, has been the sustained gains being made against their territory -

:17:19. > :17:23.not least today's reclaiming of So which is the better guide

:17:24. > :17:28.to how this war might be won? Here's our

:17:29. > :17:34.diplomatic editor Mark Urban. The intelligence gathering operation

:17:35. > :17:36.to find and target Mohammed Emwazi took months

:17:37. > :17:40.and considerable resources. Last night, three different drones,

:17:41. > :17:45.one British, and two American, were tracking him before an American

:17:46. > :17:51.drone launched a missile into a car. And let us never forget he

:17:52. > :18:00.killed many, many Muslims too. And he was intent

:18:01. > :18:04.on murdering many more people. Emwazi had been the ring master

:18:05. > :18:11.for the televised murder of James Foley, Steven Sotloff, David Haines,

:18:12. > :18:17.Alan Henning and Peter Kassig. Some

:18:18. > :18:21.of the freed hostages also reported But tonight,

:18:22. > :18:29.family members didn't give in. Just sad, and I think we have to be

:18:30. > :18:37.careful, as an American media, not He's a sad individual,

:18:38. > :18:48.filled with hate for us. The car believed to be carrying

:18:49. > :18:54.Mohammed Emwazi was hit right in the middle of Raqqa,

:18:55. > :18:57.capital of the self-proclaimed Caliphate, and just yards

:18:58. > :19:00.from the clock tower where IS staged There is something bigger going

:19:01. > :19:11.on here though. Islamic State is on the defensive

:19:12. > :19:14.in several different places Clearly Isis at the moment is

:19:15. > :19:20.in a situation where it is facing battles on lots of different fronts,

:19:21. > :19:25.but if we look at what is happening in Sinjar, my understanding is that

:19:26. > :19:28.hasn't completely severed If we look

:19:29. > :19:34.at the Russians hitting them in some places, it is not the sort

:19:35. > :19:37.of overwhelming push we are seeing. What we are seeing is

:19:38. > :19:40.a situation where they are dealing with pressure on multiple fronts,

:19:41. > :19:43.but I don't think we can say it is On Sinjar,

:19:44. > :19:48.Kurdish troops supported by British Special Forces, and more than 250

:19:49. > :19:54.air strikes in the past month, have driven back IS, cutting the group's

:19:55. > :19:59.key route between Raqqa and Mosul. Unfortunately the process for the

:20:00. > :20:05.liberation of Mosul was delayed. Therefore, we were obliged

:20:06. > :20:09.in order to make sure that step by step we would liberate

:20:10. > :20:15.the areas which are important. Of course, the victory that was

:20:16. > :20:17.achieved in Sinjar is very important, it is significant,

:20:18. > :20:20.this is our response, and it is our revenge on the Isis and the

:20:21. > :20:23.crimes they committed last year. The atrocities that were committed

:20:24. > :20:26.by the Isis terrorists, and the crimes that were committed

:20:27. > :20:30.amount to genocide. Therefore we are very pleased

:20:31. > :20:35.today Sinjar was liberated. Across the border, a co-ordinated

:20:36. > :20:42.push by the Syrian democratic forces, Kurdish-led but with

:20:43. > :20:45.American special operators, have cleared 500 square kilometres of

:20:46. > :20:48.Islamic State fighters in the past few weeks, and then over further

:20:49. > :20:51.west, the Syrian Army with Iranian ground support and Russian backing

:20:52. > :20:55.from the air, has broken the IS It all adds up to

:20:56. > :21:10.significant pressure. Nobody thinks this week's

:21:11. > :21:12.blows mark the end of IS. It's shown itself a fierce

:21:13. > :21:16.and resilient adversary, but it's thought to have lost

:21:17. > :21:19.its chief propagandist and is under pressure on multiple fronts now,

:21:20. > :21:39.from the air and on the ground. The co-ordinateded attacks in Paris,

:21:40. > :21:43.we have just heard that Francois Hollande has called a state of

:21:44. > :21:48.emergency in France, and closed the French border. I mean, this is

:21:49. > :21:51.absolutely huge, I mean clearly, either the intelligence is that

:21:52. > :21:56.there is more to come, or it is stop people escaping. I think if we saw

:21:57. > :22:00.what happened after the Charlie Hebdo events in Jan, there was a

:22:01. > :22:04.series of event that went foreign a couple of days as people tried to

:22:05. > :22:09.track down those responsible. If this is a bigger and more complex at

:22:10. > :22:14.a tack there could be a wider web of people. France is in the most

:22:15. > :22:20.difficult situation tonight, Presidents Holland took this step of

:22:21. > :22:23.standing front and sentence in the alliance, since September, the

:22:24. > :22:28.country has been bombing Syria, as well as Iraq, something few other

:22:29. > :22:31.European countries wanted to do. His has taken this very difficult step

:22:32. > :22:38.politically, and tonight, he is in the middle of this fresh crisis. I

:22:39. > :22:40.saw one unconfirmed ifficult step politically, and tonight, he is in

:22:41. > :22:42.the middle of this fresh crisis. I saw one unconfirmed report of

:22:43. > :22:47.someone shouting "This is for Syria." We have seen reports people

:22:48. > :22:52.said this was for Syria, and we have seen reports of people shouting aloo

:22:53. > :22:59.alAqabar. At this moment, I don't think can't regard those as

:23:00. > :23:09.definitive. We are joined by another two guests.

:23:10. > :23:14.We will soon by joined by the former deputy editor of Liberation --

:23:15. > :23:19.liberation. We no we are dealing with a substantial terrorist attack.

:23:20. > :23:24.We have multiple targets struck, we have people using automatic weapons

:23:25. > :23:30.and explosive devices. No arrests? We don't really know. It is an

:23:31. > :23:34.unfolding situation. We have heard incidents going off all over the

:23:35. > :23:37.placings, we don't know if we are dealing with five separate incidents

:23:38. > :23:40.or groups who are mobile, who are making one journey to another in

:23:41. > :23:44.vehicles or something else. It's a fluid situation, so we don't know

:23:45. > :23:49.defintively what we are looking at, but what we know is we are looking

:23:50. > :23:53.at people who have training to make explosive, training to use gun, and

:23:54. > :24:00.obviously, a lot of preparation to do some sort of sub Stan shallot

:24:01. > :24:03.attack like this. Let us go ever to the former deputy editor of

:24:04. > :24:11.Liberation. What do you make of the announcement where you are in a

:24:12. > :24:14.state of emergency? Well, it is obviously taking into account, the

:24:15. > :24:21.shock the country is in, you should have seen the streets of Paris it is

:24:22. > :24:24.really panic, and great anxiety. The President wanted to show that he is

:24:25. > :24:29.still in charge, that the authorities are do whatever they

:24:30. > :24:34.can, and that exceptional measures are taken to deal with an

:24:35. > :24:38.exceptional and unprecedented situation. He announced that the

:24:39. > :24:44.borders are closed, that the army has been called in reinforcement, to

:24:45. > :24:48.secure the capital, so it is really a kind of war situation, that has

:24:49. > :24:53.suddenly, you know, fallen on our heads. We can see that from the

:24:54. > :24:57.shots we are seeing now, from outside that restaurant earlier,

:24:58. > :25:00.people are being attended to in the streets, people being carried away.

:25:01. > :25:04.What can you tell us, if you can tell us any more about what is

:25:05. > :25:11.happening at the Bataclan concert place? There has been a lot of

:25:12. > :25:15.hostages inside, people are talking about 60-80 hostages and the

:25:16. > :25:22.President in his statement said that the situation was still under way,

:25:23. > :25:26.and that assault was being given by the police, the elite forces of the

:25:27. > :25:31.police have been called in, and there is a lot of shooting, so the

:25:32. > :25:34.situation, the situationing is still ongoing, and probably the number of

:25:35. > :25:40.dead will be much higher than it is already. We can see now what

:25:41. > :25:44.happened. We can see scenes from inside Stade de France where there

:25:45. > :25:49.are recorded images of people moving on to the pitch know not knowing

:25:50. > :25:52.what would happen. The players, a the first explosion went off and we

:25:53. > :25:55.heard reports that there were grenades thrown inside the stadium.

:25:56. > :26:02.Can you tell us any more about that? No, it doesn't seem to have been

:26:03. > :26:05.taking place inside the stadium, because the commentators, sports

:26:06. > :26:10.commentators all telling us that the football match went on as if nothing

:26:11. > :26:15.has happened, and people didn't react to the explosions thinking it

:26:16. > :26:19.was just celebrations or atmosphere. But the thing about the staid de

:26:20. > :26:22.France, people are probably still there and people won't want to get

:26:23. > :26:29.on the trains back in to Paris because they don't know about the

:26:30. > :26:32.trains either. Absolutely. Public transport will be massively watched

:26:33. > :26:36.by French police. It has to be said that the French Government seems to,

:26:37. > :26:41.you know, take to realise the absolute scale of this tragedy, not

:26:42. > :26:45.only through its announcement, earlier we heard the French

:26:46. > :26:49.President talking about multiple scenes of violence and then it went

:26:50. > :26:52.to him describing the attacks as unprecedented attacks and then

:26:53. > :26:59.declaring a state of emergency, and then going as far as mobilising the

:27:00. > :27:05.army, so, in its wordings, but in its actions he is talking to his

:27:06. > :27:10.close you know, advisers, and indeed his holding the equivalent of what

:27:11. > :27:15.would be a Cobra meeting in transto catch the terrorists at an early

:27:16. > :27:19.stage. We can go to a telephone call with Jonathan Hill who saw one of

:27:20. > :27:24.the gunmen. What did you see and where are you? Currently the signal

:27:25. > :27:36.is not great. I am on the Metro trying to get away from the area. I

:27:37. > :27:42.was coming out of the Metro station, collecting cash from an ATM, 40, 50

:27:43. > :27:48.yards away myself and two other friends heard two distinctive shots.

:27:49. > :27:58.There was a guy... Very largely built. In the middle of the street,

:27:59. > :28:03.shouting Allez, to get people in the restaurants.

:28:04. > :28:12.With that... I am afraid the signal is very bad on the Metro so we have

:28:13. > :28:17.to leave him but we can go to a recording of President Hollande.

:28:18. > :28:20.TRANSLATION: My dear country Americas as I speak terrorist

:28:21. > :28:25.attacks on an unprecedented scale are taking place in the Paris

:28:26. > :28:29.region. There are several dozen dead, lots more wounded. It is

:28:30. > :28:33.horrific. We have on my orders mobilised all the forces we can

:28:34. > :28:38.muster in order to neutralise the terrorist threat, and to secure all

:28:39. > :28:42.the affected areas. I have asked for military reinforcements, they too

:28:43. > :28:50.are in the Paris area to make sure no new attack can take place.

:28:51. > :28:54.Tell me though, you have a particular view of how Paris and the

:28:55. > :28:58.French regard security? Well, its has to be said, mine it is evident

:28:59. > :29:02.that France has massive security failure as we have seen with the

:29:03. > :29:07.Charlie Hebdo incident. The Charlie Hebdo offices were a clear target.

:29:08. > :29:10.They had been targeted by firebombs before, they clearly were supposed

:29:11. > :29:14.to be under police security. It turned out they weren't. After the

:29:15. > :29:19.attacks happened, we have seen police officers standing up on bike,

:29:20. > :29:23.with no arms, and that is how the police reacted to a terrorist attack

:29:24. > :29:26.in central Paris. We don't have much time here, but I want to ask you

:29:27. > :29:30.what you think will be the reaction of other European countries,

:29:31. > :29:34.particularly ones that are leading the battle against Isis. You can see

:29:35. > :29:37.a ratcheting up of security across the continent. People have been

:29:38. > :29:43.worried about this sort of at tack for some time. Your can look far

:29:44. > :29:46.back as 2010 when people worried about a Mumbai-style attack. Now we

:29:47. > :29:50.have seen it happening after the Charlie Hebdo attack, you saw

:29:51. > :29:53.European forces looking at this could happen to them and training

:29:54. > :29:57.for it, so you will see that as well. I think on the Continent in

:29:58. > :30:02.particular, you will start to see people really starting... Because we

:30:03. > :30:07.have open borders but tonight France has closed its borders as much as it

:30:08. > :30:11.can. It has had to close its borders in response to this situation. We

:30:12. > :30:15.can see the situation earlier in year in Belgium, where a plot, a

:30:16. > :30:21.network that looked like it might have been trying to do something

:30:22. > :30:23.similar was disrupted. We have seen other networks happening round the

:30:24. > :30:27.Continent that going in this direction, when you see an incident

:30:28. > :30:31.like this you will see others who will be inspired and try to stand on

:30:32. > :30:35.the shoulders of giants and launch an attack on their own. What is the

:30:36. > :30:39.latest Mark? Simply that the scale of this is immense, as you say,

:30:40. > :30:47.France effectively is locked down now. I think the assessment is still

:30:48. > :30:51.going on. I wouldn't be surprised in that French Government meeting if

:30:52. > :30:54.security chiefs can't give Francois Hollande straight answers how many

:30:55. > :30:58.were there, how many might still be at large on the streets. So, as we

:30:59. > :31:03.lever you tonight, we are still in the middle of a situation in Paris,

:31:04. > :31:07.there are more than 100 hostages in a jazz club, and also more than 40

:31:08. > :31:13.people dead apparently, perhaps at the jazz club and more at the

:31:14. > :31:17.restaurant. Francois Hollande has called a state of merge, is, the

:31:18. > :31:21.borders are closed and in Paris the army are being deployed. People are

:31:22. > :31:24.being told to stay at home. There is no identity, no notion of the

:31:25. > :31:28.identity of the attackers or where they might strike necks. More on the

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