:00:13. > :00:16.Last month's terror attacks in Paris left 130 people dead and the whole
:00:17. > :00:18.Tonight, six survivors tell of their experiences
:00:19. > :00:23.One of them was taken hostage by the gunmen,
:00:24. > :00:27.All of them speak to us with unflinching honesty
:00:28. > :00:30.about being caught in the middle of a massacre.
:00:31. > :00:32.With each shot the floor would just vibrate, and it felt
:00:33. > :00:48.I said to David, "This is it, I love you, goodbye."
:00:49. > :01:03.I saw them looking up towards the entrance. My mouth just dropped, and
:01:04. > :01:05.I could see fear and I knew there was death on their faces.
:01:06. > :01:08.Also tonight, we'll have the latest as Mr Cameron goes to Brussels.
:01:09. > :01:11.Will he persuade anyone to back his proposals?
:01:12. > :01:19.We are pushing for real momentum so that we can get this deal done, so I
:01:20. > :01:20.will be battling hard for Britain right through the night, and I think
:01:21. > :01:22.we will be getting a good deal. And - was he ever
:01:23. > :01:27.really that special? We'll ask what we can learn
:01:28. > :01:30.from the rise and fall of Jose Countless questions continue to be
:01:31. > :01:40.asked about last month's terror Tonight, with the testimony of six
:01:41. > :01:45.survivors, we will answer some What was it like to be
:01:46. > :01:58.one of the 1,500 people inside the Bataclan concert hall
:01:59. > :02:00.as three gunmen unleashed the carnage that
:02:01. > :02:02.would ultimately leave 90 How did it feel to lie terrified
:02:03. > :02:08.and injured among the bodies of the fallen just inches
:02:09. > :02:11.from a gunman's boots? And how does one even begin
:02:12. > :02:13.to recover from such Please be warned, much
:02:14. > :02:16.of this remarkable film by Newsnight's Warwick Harrington
:02:17. > :02:54.is deeply disturbing. It had been Katie's birthday
:02:55. > :02:56.three weeks previous, and I decided it would be
:02:57. > :03:11.a nice romantic getaway. It's one of the most mythic
:03:12. > :03:14.music halls in Paris. We were thinking we would have one
:03:15. > :03:29.of the best nights of our lives. We've seen Jesse standing there,
:03:30. > :03:32.so we asked him if he was OK He said, for you, babies,
:03:33. > :03:46.tonight I will rock this place, and I was really excited about it
:03:47. > :03:57.and posted it on Twitter. We were thinking probably to avoid
:03:58. > :04:02.going into the big crowd it was more In that picture we are
:04:03. > :04:17.just behind the pole. There is a few steps down
:04:18. > :04:24.to the main dance floor, the bar is behind us and
:04:25. > :04:37.the entrance is directly behind us. I posted my traditional
:04:38. > :04:40.picture on Facebook. I remember we said that it was
:04:41. > :04:59.probably one of the best concerts we had seen because of the energy
:05:00. > :05:03.of the bands and also the ambiance It's one of the most
:05:04. > :05:27.beautiful venues in Paris. I was probably the third
:05:28. > :05:29.or fourth person to get in. I just put myself up
:05:30. > :05:32.at the barrier in the middle. It was the first time I was seeing
:05:33. > :05:36.them on stage and it was fun, it was very fun until the fifth
:05:37. > :06:28.or sixth song where it all began. We heard, you know,
:06:29. > :06:42.something very weird. And I felt hot like a drink spilled
:06:43. > :06:53.on my shoulder. And David was standing behind me,
:06:54. > :06:55.kind of protecting me from getting bashed,
:06:56. > :07:03.or moved around in the concept. And I turned to David and as I said,
:07:04. > :07:07."Did somebody spill their drink?" There was flashes, sparks.
:07:08. > :07:20.And the noise of persistent gunfire. That sound wasn't a good sound. The
:07:21. > :07:29.only way to know was to look at the guys on the stage. I saw them
:07:30. > :07:36.looking towards the entrance. Their mouths just dropped, and I could see
:07:37. > :07:39.fear and I knew there was death on their faces. That look that they
:07:40. > :08:24.had. I have seen the silhouette of a man
:08:25. > :08:29.but at that point the crowd kind of felt to the side. People were
:08:30. > :08:36.dropping that had been hit at this stage. There was a couple just in
:08:37. > :08:39.front of me. The man definitely dropped. I believe maybe what I
:08:40. > :08:46.thought was the drink spilling was his blood hitting me. I don't know.
:08:47. > :08:51.As the gunfire never stopped really for what seems like forever. And
:08:52. > :08:56.when we were on the floor David climbed on top of me to protect me.
:08:57. > :09:03.And it was very apparent people were dying around us, and that there was
:09:04. > :09:10.some sort of massacre happening and we were part of it.
:09:11. > :09:23.I felt people falling, everyone, like dominoes. And my body got
:09:24. > :09:29.squeezed against the barrier. And that's when I tried to jump but I
:09:30. > :09:35.couldn't jump. I realised that my right leg was stuck. I knew that
:09:36. > :09:43.because of the people falling, and I tried once and I was just bouncing
:09:44. > :09:51.on the barrier. I kept thinking, the next one is for you. My body was
:09:52. > :09:59.ready to take a shot at any time. It was the noise, the moaning and the
:10:00. > :10:03.blood. We dropped to the floor, and the floor was just filled with
:10:04. > :10:07.blood. I couldn't see my friends, it was still really dark. But I knew
:10:08. > :10:13.they were on the floor, probably underneath people. I could see all
:10:14. > :10:21.of those people, it looked like mountains of people. I remember
:10:22. > :10:29.seeing the purple lights from the bar with the bar sign, and then just
:10:30. > :11:09.a flash, and I knew they were bullets.
:11:10. > :11:17.I knew why my leg was stuck, but was it because people were just scared,
:11:18. > :11:24.or because they were dead? This is why I was asking if you would please
:11:25. > :11:33.and it was selfish. I knew I could feel people dying. People don't
:11:34. > :11:41.believe in spirit and souls. But I remember feeling...
:11:42. > :11:48.You could feel people's souls leaving their bodies? Yes. I just
:11:49. > :11:54.kept thinking the whole time, what could you do... What could you do?
:11:55. > :12:09.But there was nothing we could do. The lights came on, and when they
:12:10. > :12:14.did it wasn't just I think that his blood, it was I'm definitely covered
:12:15. > :12:17.in blood. I'm definitely face down in blood, this is definitely a man
:12:18. > :12:24.that has been shot, this is definitely happening, we can see it
:12:25. > :12:30.now. I watched as he died really. And we were looking at each other. I
:12:31. > :12:36.turned my head and to my right there was a girl who David saw too. She
:12:37. > :12:43.was lying motionless. It was clear she was dead at that point. We hid
:12:44. > :12:49.ourselves, I was with my brother. Each time we just tried to stand up
:12:50. > :13:14.to see there was some shooting, so you protected yourself.
:13:15. > :13:26.I think my first instinct was just to protect her. Shield her. Whatever
:13:27. > :13:31.I could do. When you love someone you want to protect them. I think
:13:32. > :13:44.that was my initial instinct, make sure she is OK. Protect her. Yes.
:13:45. > :13:49.There came a point, the shops were getting closer and closer and the
:13:50. > :13:55.floorboards were quaking, with each shot floor would just vibrate. It
:13:56. > :14:02.felt like it was just beside us. I said to David, this is it, I love
:14:03. > :14:08.you, goodbye. I just thought about our families and that was it, I just
:14:09. > :14:20.kept telling you I love you. I didn't want you to die. I looked to
:14:21. > :14:24.my side and I could see there were black soled boots with black
:14:25. > :14:34.leather, I think. He just walked within feet of us. Again, I thought
:14:35. > :14:42.this is the moment, he's going to point at us now and we were the next
:14:43. > :14:44.to be shot. And somehow he just walked by and he didn't turn the gun
:14:45. > :15:08.at us. When I was in front of one
:15:09. > :15:10.terrorist, I was thinking he will kill my brother,
:15:11. > :15:13.and he communicate with me, he asked me to close the door,
:15:14. > :15:27.please let my brother come in. How many people escape
:15:28. > :15:29.through that hatch? I think about 50, something
:15:30. > :15:32.like that, between 40 and 50. When we arrive on the roof,
:15:33. > :15:37.you have a guy with a very safe voice, just asking come
:15:38. > :15:40.here, trust in me. I think it is the guy
:15:41. > :16:06.from the staff, safety staff. When we saw the two terrorists
:16:07. > :16:12.on the first floor at the other end of the room, coming to us,
:16:13. > :16:20.we tried to escape between the seats on the balcony, but they had seen
:16:21. > :16:28.us, so they start to come and asking They said, we are not going to kill
:16:29. > :16:36.you, that's the first word I heard from them,
:16:37. > :16:44.which was bizarre because every one in the Bataclan was thinking
:16:45. > :17:00.they are going to kill us. The guys started firing,
:17:01. > :17:02.I don't know if they saw us, or if they managed to reload again,
:17:03. > :17:05.and we both dropped because we knew it wasn't safe,
:17:06. > :17:10.they are firing again. I saw in my peripheral vision these
:17:11. > :17:16.doors burst open and I don't know who opened them or how they became
:17:17. > :17:22.open, if someone inside did it, if someone outside had come in,
:17:23. > :17:26.but I saw them and I said to Katie, I laid on my stomach and I crawled
:17:27. > :17:33.out, wiping the blood with my clothes, but I thought,
:17:34. > :17:39.just keep crawling, and I was so scared
:17:40. > :17:42.to look behind me. Other people ran
:17:43. > :17:44.with us at that point. We remember there was dead bodies
:17:45. > :17:51.on the floor and we were almost stumbling to get to the door
:17:52. > :17:56.and we ran down - when I say ran, we stumbled down, I think
:17:57. > :18:00.it was about three steps, I think going outside,
:18:01. > :18:07.that's when maybe for a few seconds I lost it, I couldn't breathe,
:18:08. > :18:12.I just hold my head and thought, At this moment, I heard the voice
:18:13. > :18:24.of the third terrorist who was still downstairs
:18:25. > :18:31.and they are talking to each other, the two with their Kalashnikov
:18:32. > :18:36.upstairs on the balcony, There was a huge explosion
:18:37. > :18:54.in the stage. I think they understood and that's
:18:55. > :19:02.why they asked us to go with them We were trying to run
:19:03. > :19:08.and I was looking at David, I was ahead of him and I was
:19:09. > :19:12.thinking, hurry up, come on, you can't, this isn't the time
:19:13. > :19:15.to sink, let it all sink in and look, we have
:19:16. > :19:18.to keep running and... He said to me, like,
:19:19. > :19:23.I can't run, I've been shot. They took some banknotes out
:19:24. > :19:39.of their pocket like 50 euro banknotes and asked one
:19:40. > :19:44.of the hostages, At this point, I can imagine
:19:45. > :19:58.they wanted to show that they had not any interest in life
:19:59. > :20:09.because they were here to die, so they didn't need
:20:10. > :20:18.any banknotes anymore. They closed the windows,
:20:19. > :20:21.we switch off all the things, so TVs, lights of course,
:20:22. > :20:24.everything, and everybody were just They are all playing
:20:25. > :20:30.with their smartphone, we spent a lot of time
:20:31. > :20:33.to communicate with friends, people, family and so on because all
:20:34. > :20:39.the others know we are there send I posted a picture on Facebook
:20:40. > :20:44.so when people realise something happened there, we received
:20:45. > :20:48.a lot of messaging. They told us that we could thank our
:20:49. > :20:59.President because of the bomb being in Syria and Iraq
:21:00. > :21:06.and they were from Islamic State. They looked very determined,
:21:07. > :21:15.maybe they had taken drugs, I think I said where,
:21:16. > :21:23.where have you been shot? You said your foot and I said
:21:24. > :21:28.OK, I'll drive you. I could see my shoes filled
:21:29. > :21:33.with blood and it was pumping out And Katie told me we have to keep
:21:34. > :21:44.going, she dragged me to safety because, at that point,
:21:45. > :21:54.I was beginning to almost pass out. They were getting nervous
:21:55. > :21:59.because they wanted the police We saw before the final assault some
:22:00. > :22:11.red lights, so we know that people are on the roof,
:22:12. > :22:14.the snipers, so we know that Every hostage is very quiet,
:22:15. > :22:25.we didn't talk to each other. The three hostages behind the door,
:22:26. > :22:34.the terrorists were giving orders to these hostages asking them
:22:35. > :22:41.to listen to what was happening And for the six of us that
:22:42. > :22:50.were standing in front of the window, our only action
:22:51. > :22:55.was to look what was How many people we are,
:22:56. > :23:06.where we are, if we are safe, They ask if we see
:23:07. > :23:12.the explosive belt. The terrorist asked one
:23:13. > :23:17.of the hostages to yell During this period, they had more
:23:18. > :23:30.or less five or six calls. The terrorists were only saying
:23:31. > :23:35.we have hostages, we have explosive belts, if you come too close,
:23:36. > :23:40.we are going to kill They seem not too have any demand,
:23:41. > :23:55.so it gave more impact for me on the fact that they
:23:56. > :24:05.were going to kill us. There was a lot of
:24:06. > :24:08.shooting, explosions. They go boom, they go
:24:09. > :24:11.boom, they go boom. The police throw stun grenades and,
:24:12. > :24:33.at this moment, I fell. I think I was the last hostage,
:24:34. > :24:39.or maybe one of the last, and I can remember precisely
:24:40. > :24:47.the image of one of the terrorists shooting in one hand
:24:48. > :24:51.he has his Kalashnikov and, on the other hand, with his
:24:52. > :25:03.finger on the detonator. The two terrorists are escaping
:25:04. > :25:10.using the stairs and, at this moment, the
:25:11. > :25:20.police start shooting. I'm still wondering why he didn't
:25:21. > :25:27.trigger his detonator If so, we would have
:25:28. > :25:46.all been killed. When the police took us
:25:47. > :25:51.out of the corridor, they said, don't look what's
:25:52. > :25:58.happening in front of the stage. But it was not easy for us
:25:59. > :26:06.not to give a look. How can you think like that,
:26:07. > :26:11.walking in and shooting people in the back while they are having
:26:12. > :26:16.fun at a concert, you know? I don't think it makes sense
:26:17. > :26:23.to you either. I'm doing that dream every time
:26:24. > :26:44.because I think my brain is trained to let me see what it was it
:26:45. > :26:51.was protecting me from. Every night it is the same
:26:52. > :26:55.dream, black background, I don't feel any anger or hatred,
:26:56. > :27:03.it is just a sadness. I feel sad about everybody
:27:04. > :27:07.that was there, whether the ones shooting, or the people
:27:08. > :27:11.who were shot, I just feel very sad. There is no point
:27:12. > :27:16.in being angry. That film was made
:27:17. > :27:54.by Warwick Harrington. Dinner in Brussels for David Cameron
:27:55. > :27:57.tonight but, with the very future of Britain's EU membership
:27:58. > :28:01.potentially on the menu, it's unlikely he was in the mood
:28:02. > :28:05.to savour the cuisine. At stake, the four key reforms
:28:06. > :28:08.he is straining to secure before the In/Out referendum which,
:28:09. > :28:11.we learned today, must take place At the table, EU leaders who have
:28:12. > :28:17.thus far appeared less than keen to meet the Prime
:28:18. > :28:20.Minister's demands. The BBC's political editor,
:28:21. > :28:34.Laura Kuenssberg, is in Brussels What can you tell us about the Prime
:28:35. > :28:39.Minister's pre-planned mood? The talks have just broken up, you might
:28:40. > :28:43.be able to see over my shoulder, the Italian Prime Minister, who is
:28:44. > :28:48.emerging from a very intense session, they have been locked
:28:49. > :28:52.together over dinner with David Cameron speaking for more than half
:28:53. > :28:57.an hour outlining not the technical details, or indeed any new ideas
:28:58. > :29:00.which might unblock the hefty disagreements on all of this, but
:29:01. > :29:04.rather instead he was making his political argument. What he was
:29:05. > :29:08.trying to do tonight, because it has seemed a lot in the last few weeks
:29:09. > :29:12.that he has been really hitting his head against a brick wall, but what
:29:13. > :29:16.he's tried to move on to tonight is say to his counterparts around the
:29:17. > :29:20.EU, I'm not doing this for my own political reasons, I'm doing this to
:29:21. > :29:26.try to address what he believes is a very real concern of British voters
:29:27. > :29:31.about welfare and about immigration that only radical change in his view
:29:32. > :29:35.to the European Union can fix. Given it could be as much as two years
:29:36. > :29:40.before the referendum itself, what will happen next? Well, here's the
:29:41. > :29:44.thing. David Cameron would dearly love to be able to hold the
:29:45. > :29:49.referendum, to give you and me a say in all of this next June. That means
:29:50. > :29:54.although you are right it could go on until the end of 2017, but his
:29:55. > :29:58.timetable, and the one that most European leaders want to stick to,
:29:59. > :30:03.requires a deal in February, by the end of that month, just eight weeks'
:30:04. > :30:07.time. So, in a sense, in is a sort of artificial deadline but it's the
:30:08. > :30:12.political deadline that they want to stick to, given the complexities of
:30:13. > :30:16.dealing with nearly 30 countries and the very, very real disputes here,
:30:17. > :30:21.particularly over the issue of reducing benefits for EU workers who
:30:22. > :30:25.are living and working in the UK, eight weeks, or ten weeks, until a
:30:26. > :30:31.deal at the end of February that thin would -- then would require a
:30:32. > :30:34.public vote in June feels extremely tight. There is a lot of frustration
:30:35. > :30:37.on both sides, on Britain's side that they feel it is about time
:30:38. > :30:41.political leaders around the EU really took this seriously and
:30:42. > :30:46.engage in it, but on the other side, frustration that they are grappling
:30:47. > :30:50.with all sorts of other issues, the migration crisis, what is happening
:30:51. > :30:54.in Greece. At the same time, Britain has already got a lot of special
:30:55. > :30:58.deals from the EU already. Frustration on both sides and no
:30:59. > :31:15.sign yet of any compromise in the middle. Thank you very much. Back in
:31:16. > :31:17.Britain,, given that George Osborne has now
:31:18. > :31:19.jettisoned the policy altogether, you might think that
:31:20. > :31:22.the Government had forgotten - or at least forgiven -
:31:23. > :31:24.the House Of Lords for voting in October to delay the introduction
:31:25. > :31:27.of tax credit cuts and recompense anyone they left worse
:31:28. > :31:29.off than before. It was in the aftermath of that
:31:30. > :31:33.double Lords defeat that David Cameron commissioned
:31:34. > :31:34.Lord Strathclyde to undertake a review of the relationship
:31:35. > :31:37.between the two Houses. Today, it was delivered and,
:31:38. > :31:39.as if by magic, foremost among its recommendations
:31:40. > :31:41.is the suggestion that the House of Lords really shouldn't be allowed
:31:42. > :31:45.to do this sort of thing any more. Lord Falconer, the Shadow Justice
:31:46. > :31:55.Secretary and Shadow Lord Chancellor this is great news for Labour,
:31:56. > :31:59.presumably, you've been agitating the generations to clip the wings of
:32:00. > :32:04.the House of Lords or chop off altogether. Not this one. If you
:32:05. > :32:07.have the House of Lords not elected its right course is to make the
:32:08. > :32:11.Government think again, and if they decide they want to go ahead with
:32:12. > :32:14.something they can force it on the Lord's. What we did on this occasion
:32:15. > :32:19.was asked the government to think again. They thought again and
:32:20. > :32:24.abandon the policy but they made it clear that they would have their
:32:25. > :32:29.revenge. Their revenge took the form four weeks after they had done it in
:32:30. > :32:33.saying, right, you can't do this again. I think that is bad
:32:34. > :32:38.policy-making and is bad for the making of policy in this country. So
:32:39. > :32:45.I'm against it. So this is a Labour peer effectively saying that the
:32:46. > :32:48.Lords needs to retain the power to overrule the elected chamber. It
:32:49. > :32:55.can't overrule the elected chamber. In effect. It can't. It would open
:32:56. > :32:59.to the Commons the act to change their policy but instead they did it
:33:00. > :33:02.by statutory instrument so it would not be properly scrutinised in the
:33:03. > :33:07.Commons. The only risk they faced was that the Lords would make them
:33:08. > :33:11.think again, which is what happened and when they were asked to think
:33:12. > :33:14.again they abandon the policy because the Commons, because they
:33:15. > :33:19.were Tory rebels, probably would have defeated it. That looks like
:33:20. > :33:22.the constitution working to me. I think it is regrettable that the
:33:23. > :33:28.Government have found a tame Lord Hill will do their bidding and say,
:33:29. > :33:33.OK, even though it has obviously worked on this occasion -- Lord, who
:33:34. > :33:37.will do their bidding. The Government had thought again and
:33:38. > :33:40.come up with a different policy. Nonetheless, for purely political
:33:41. > :33:43.reasons they want their revenge. They want their revenge, but they
:33:44. > :33:46.also perhaps want to address the only place in Parliament where there
:33:47. > :33:52.seems to be meaningful opposition at the moment. The Lords are capable of
:33:53. > :33:59.beating the government. Where you have got a built in majority. Where
:34:00. > :34:04.you have a majority of 12, no matter how effective the opposition may be
:34:05. > :34:08.you will almost certainly get your way. But in the Lord's that is not
:34:09. > :34:12.the case because if you can put together a coalition that thinks
:34:13. > :34:16.what the Government is proposing is wrong you can defeat them. That is
:34:17. > :34:21.what happened here. When you defeat them, you don't say you can't do
:34:22. > :34:24.this. All you are saying is perhaps you would like to think about it.
:34:25. > :34:28.When you do that of course you might encourage rebels on their own side.
:34:29. > :34:32.You might. I'm interested in what you said about the Commons, the
:34:33. > :34:36.majority of 12 is quite slim, if you had a unified Parliamentary Labour
:34:37. > :34:39.Party the prospect of drawing blood from the government would be much
:34:40. > :34:42.party, it's the disarray and disunity that has rendered the
:34:43. > :34:48.opposition effectively toothless. There would still be a majority of
:34:49. > :34:52.12 overall, and indeed even with every single party on the other
:34:53. > :34:58.side. It would be good if they were more unified, surely we can agree on
:34:59. > :35:06.that? We voted together, completely unified. On this you did, not on
:35:07. > :35:10.Syria. As a result we got a result in the Commons but not in the Lords.
:35:11. > :35:15.The Tories are now saying but as Mike try and snuff out that degree
:35:16. > :35:18.of opposition by taking away from the Lord's the right on this sort of
:35:19. > :35:23.issue to make the Commons think again. Very briefly, Lord Falconer,
:35:24. > :35:28.where is the nucleus of opposition to this government, where is the
:35:29. > :35:32.beating heart of opposition, in the Lords, in the Commons, the rank and
:35:33. > :35:38.file grassroots? It's in the Labour Party but beyond the Labour Party as
:35:39. > :35:42.well and across the party. The tax credits is you unified not just the
:35:43. > :35:46.political parties but a whole range of people saying, don't punish the
:35:47. > :35:49.working poor, which is what the tax credit but was doing. Lord Falconer,
:35:50. > :35:51.thank you. It was end to end stuff,
:35:52. > :35:54.a game of two halves and, Today Chelsea Football Club parted
:35:55. > :35:59.company with its manager Thanking him for his contribution,
:36:00. > :36:03.the club said the most successful manager in its 110-year history
:36:04. > :36:09.hadn't been good enough this season. Just seven months ago, he led
:36:10. > :36:13.the side to Premier League victory. But trouble began following a draw
:36:14. > :36:15.with Swansea earlier this year - and controversy over his falling out
:36:16. > :36:20.with team doctor Eva Carneiro. The Chelsea manager's response
:36:21. > :36:24.to a 2-1 defeat to Leicester in Monday's Premier League game
:36:25. > :36:27.was to blame everyone from the ball boys - for wasting time -
:36:28. > :36:30.to the players. If they feel Chelsea the way I do,
:36:31. > :36:35.and if they feel being a football professional the same way I do,
:36:36. > :36:49.for sure, some of them, The players, alas, won't get
:36:50. > :36:51.a chance to react differently left the club today
:36:52. > :36:54.for the last time. Joining me now are Arsenal
:36:55. > :36:56.and England footballer Alex Scott and Alastair Campbell,
:36:57. > :37:05.who interviewed Mourinho You are going to have to take him
:37:06. > :37:09.out of the next edition? I don't think so, he is still a winner but
:37:10. > :37:13.he will be defined by how he reacts to this. I think he will come back.
:37:14. > :37:18.I think he should join the long list of people who never go back. I think
:37:19. > :37:24.something has gone very badly wrong. Any idea what? The old cliche, he's
:37:25. > :37:28.lost the dressing room, there is no doubt about that. The players who
:37:29. > :37:31.performed for him last year are not performing for him this year. One of
:37:32. > :37:36.his fellow Premier League managers has a theory about Jose Mourinho,
:37:37. > :37:39.he's a violent personality and his techniques in management are quite
:37:40. > :37:42.violent and that is fantastic when things are going well and people
:37:43. > :37:48.sign up to it. It sounds like Arsene Wenger! In the book, my book, Jose
:37:49. > :37:51.Mourinho is on the back cover, and I put it on the back because I think
:37:52. > :37:54.it's a brilliant quote that defines a winning philosophy, I say to the
:37:55. > :37:58.players go out and enjoy the game, they know what I mean, if they win
:37:59. > :38:02.they enjoy it, if they lose they don't, and that it. There is
:38:03. > :38:06.imitation to that as a philosophy. Arsene Wenger, you mentioned, who
:38:07. > :38:10.has survived far worse periods, although never as low as this in the
:38:11. > :38:13.Premier League, he has got the Champions League every year. He has
:38:14. > :38:17.a sense of football and sports being about values and being about
:38:18. > :38:21.something deeper. When you have Abramovich at the top as this pretty
:38:22. > :38:25.dictatorial figure which none of us really know anything about because
:38:26. > :38:29.he never puts himself up before the fans or the public. And Mourinho is
:38:30. > :38:35.an utter obsessive all about winning, when it goes wrong, where
:38:36. > :38:39.does it go and what is there? I think there is a deeper story there.
:38:40. > :38:42.You mentioned the doctor, some of the incidents there have been with
:38:43. > :38:46.the players. You are looking for the hubris, the one event where the ego
:38:47. > :38:49.overreached itself and it could be the dressing room or the Doctor. I'm
:38:50. > :38:53.interested in what Alastair Campbell said about the manager's role about
:38:54. > :38:57.how happy you are when you are playing. To an outsider it must seem
:38:58. > :39:02.strange, when the whistle goes your enjoyment about that game is what is
:39:03. > :39:05.happening on the part, not the fellow in the dugout. The
:39:06. > :39:09.relationship between the manager and player is key. Looking back at my
:39:10. > :39:11.career when I played my best it was always when I had a great and
:39:12. > :39:16.personal relationship with my manager bringing the best out of me.
:39:17. > :39:20.How do they do that? Players in the modern game like that, the arm
:39:21. > :39:23.around their shoulder, feeling valued. That sort of thing. I think
:39:24. > :39:27.we will see lots more things come out. The whole topic about losing
:39:28. > :39:30.the whole dressing room, in football I don't think you lose the whole
:39:31. > :39:33.dressing room, you will lose one or two players and if they are the big
:39:34. > :39:38.characters that is when it can be a big problem. If they have a direct
:39:39. > :39:44.line to the guy at the top command agents I think now have direct lines
:39:45. > :39:47.all over the place. --, and agents. Even for a guy like Mourinho
:39:48. > :39:49.all over the place. --, and agents. possible to be undermined by
:39:50. > :39:53.somebody like Abramovich. Alice and I said we thought they would give
:39:54. > :39:57.him the season because they will not get Champions League, he has written
:39:58. > :40:00.it off, Abramovich has written it off and they will not get a manager
:40:01. > :40:04.who will think about that. They could qualify for it if they win
:40:05. > :40:09.this season's, so that might be why they have decided to. It would be a
:40:10. > :40:14.big ask for a caretaker manager. Have you ever had an experience
:40:15. > :40:17.where the manager has sapped your joy to play and you were not getting
:40:18. > :40:19.support from the dugout and the dressing room that you wanted and
:40:20. > :40:23.that possibly dressing room that you wanted and
:40:24. > :40:26.pitch? I would not say sapped. In terms of the style of
:40:27. > :40:28.pitch? I would not say sapped. In wanted to play, all with players not
:40:29. > :40:31.being on board but as a professional player you go out
:40:32. > :40:33.being on board but as a professional manager asks of you. It was
:40:34. > :40:36.interesting when he came out and said he felt betrayed.
:40:37. > :40:37.interesting when he came out and you listen to that and think
:40:38. > :40:41.hold-up, I'm trying to do my job you listen to that and think
:40:42. > :40:43.I'm working for you so for him to come out and
:40:44. > :40:47.I'm working for you so for him to was the end point. When these top
:40:48. > :40:51.managers do their interviews they are talking to the players can
:40:52. > :40:54.managers do their interviews they as a player we are watching that.
:40:55. > :40:56.That was a deliberate message to the players and it was because he had
:40:57. > :40:59.tried players and it was because he had
:41:00. > :41:04.worked. I suspect Abramovich watched players and it was because he had
:41:05. > :41:08.if he's talking about betrayal and they will feel
:41:09. > :41:12.because of what he said. I think there are Hollywood films to be made
:41:13. > :41:16.about this because it was such a spectacular fall. I still think he
:41:17. > :41:20.will be back, by the way. They have got to make the Jamie Vardy story
:41:21. > :41:24.first! He has a walk on part with that goal the other day. Very
:41:25. > :41:29.briefly, how much difference can a manager make to a good player
:41:30. > :41:31.turning him into a brilliant player? Mourinho famously told Frank Lampard
:41:32. > :41:34.turning him into a brilliant player? he was the best player in the world
:41:35. > :41:38.at one point, which fall of Frank's skills probably isn't true but he
:41:39. > :41:40.played as if he believed it after that. When you have a manager
:41:41. > :41:43.filling you with confidence, and that. When you have a manager
:41:44. > :41:45.goes back to mutual respect, as a player you want to give the manager
:41:46. > :41:51.you're all. And it makes you go player you want to give the manager
:41:52. > :41:56.pitch. Mourinho player you want to give the manager
:41:57. > :42:00.world after Messi, Ronaldo and Iniesta. I thought
:42:01. > :42:02.world after Messi, Ronaldo and was falling over, and it seemed to
:42:03. > :42:06.me refusing to play the other night, what has gone on between them to go
:42:07. > :42:09.from Mourinho seeing him what has gone on between them to go
:42:10. > :42:11.player in England and fourth best player in the world, to clearly a
:42:12. > :42:15.religion player in the world, to clearly a
:42:16. > :42:29.We will have to wait