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:00:10. > :00:13.A new drug to protect against HIV if its taken before sex.

:00:14. > :00:23.So is this a public health right - or a party pill?

:00:24. > :00:32.I have many great Muslim friends, and some of them, I will say not

:00:33. > :00:34.all, have called me and said "Donald, thank you very much.

:00:35. > :00:36.You are exposing an unbelievable problem."

:00:37. > :00:39.MPS will spend three hours debating whether to ban Donald Trump

:00:40. > :00:45.Is it the sign of a healthy democracy?

:00:46. > :00:47.Or a narrow minded one? Rose Hamid - the Muslim woman

:00:48. > :00:50.who was thrown out of a Donald Trump rally -

:00:51. > :00:57.And as extreme adventure movie, The Revenant opens at cinemas

:00:58. > :00:59.across the UK, we talk to its director, Alejandro Gonzalez

:01:00. > :01:04.I want that the audience in a way, that rarely will ever in life

:01:05. > :01:22.Should a pill to prevent HIV be handed out free to gay men before

:01:23. > :01:30.This is a question the NHS is actively considering right now.

:01:31. > :01:32.The medication Truvada - or Prep - prevents new infections

:01:33. > :01:36.by killing the virus before it has a chance to take hold.

:01:37. > :01:40.And the Lancet has calculated it could be used to cut new infections

:01:41. > :01:44.by more than 40 percent in the UK - preventing seven and a half thousand

:01:45. > :01:47.new cases of HIV within the next five years - if it's taken daily

:01:48. > :01:52.But some medics fear it will merely be used as a way of getting

:01:53. > :01:54.round safe sex - deployed primarily as a party drug.

:01:55. > :01:57.And say crucially, it doesn't cut out other sexually transmitted

:01:58. > :01:59.disease - the same argument that might once have been used

:02:00. > :02:03.about an NHS funded female contraceptive pill.

:02:04. > :02:06.Putting someone on a daily dose of Truvada costs around five

:02:07. > :02:18.If you must sleep with more than one partner, you must wear a condom,

:02:19. > :02:21.because if you do get Aids, what can the doctors do to save you?

:02:22. > :02:25.HIV is nothing like the terror it was.

:02:26. > :02:29.New research has confirmed another step forwards in the fight

:02:30. > :02:35.New analysis by medical researchers, including some at the London School

:02:36. > :02:38.of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, has confirmed the effectiveness

:02:39. > :02:43.That stands for pre-exposure prophylaxis.

:02:44. > :02:46.What they have found is if you give a single

:02:47. > :02:48.drug each day to men who have sex with men,

:02:49. > :02:51.to use the blunt medical jargon, it reduces their chances

:02:52. > :02:56.We found offering Prep alongside regular testing and early

:02:57. > :03:00.treatment to just a quarter of men who have sex with men at high risk

:03:01. > :03:03.of contracting HIV could prevent around 7500 new HIV infections

:03:04. > :03:06.in the UK before 2020 and that is around 40%

:03:07. > :03:09.of all new HIV infections of men who have

:03:10. > :03:27.Might this drug which is brands as Macis save money by cutting HIV

:03:28. > :03:31.infections? At its current prize of ?5,000 a year that a long shot. I

:03:32. > :03:35.could cost hundreds of millions for a proper roll out. But it still

:03:36. > :03:40.might be cost effective spending and that price will fall as patents

:03:41. > :03:45.expire. This topic has been hot for a while, in New York City. The

:03:46. > :03:49.debate about initiating Prep in New York is over. There is an increase

:03:50. > :03:53.in the number of people who are taking Prep, specifically men who

:03:54. > :03:57.have sex with men, and we believe that will decrease new infections in

:03:58. > :04:02.the population it is not seen a budge in the numbers for years.

:04:03. > :04:05.So should clinics like this one use public money to distribute the drug

:04:06. > :04:10.is this NHS England will consult probably in the next month or so.

:04:11. > :04:15.But what broader consequences might it have One of our main concerns is

:04:16. > :04:22.whether men who know they are protected will compensate for this

:04:23. > :04:29.by increasing their sexual risk taking, in this study risk

:04:30. > :04:33.compensation analysis says a slight increase is unlikely to completely

:04:34. > :04:39.counter act the strong HIV prevention benefit. We did not

:04:40. > :04:44.explore the potential impact of riskier behaviour on the spread of

:04:45. > :04:48.other sexual transmitted infection. Some other diseases are proving a

:04:49. > :04:56.particular problem for gay men, among men treated at clip nicks

:04:57. > :05:00.those who had sex with other men accounted for 68% of those with

:05:01. > :05:05.syphilis. Prep is not something that should be

:05:06. > :05:09.used in isolation to prevent sexually transmid infection. It

:05:10. > :05:14.prevents HIV and only HIV. To prevent other sexually transmitted

:05:15. > :05:20.infections it needs to be combined with other modalities, so our

:05:21. > :05:25.example is, our New York City play sure kit. We show if we combine with

:05:26. > :05:31.Prep with condoms we can give people a better strategy to prevent HIV.

:05:32. > :05:37.For all the focus on gay men we often forget a community which has

:05:38. > :05:45.very high HIV infection rates. Britain's of a black African

:05:46. > :05:47.population. That is 40,000 people and a strategy for them will need to

:05:48. > :05:52.follow. We have come a long way since the

:05:53. > :05:57.1980s. Like to party. I like to be safe. The big questions

:05:58. > :06:02.now are, is this the most effective way to spend money, and what

:06:03. > :06:03.unintended consequences might Prep have?

:06:04. > :06:06.One of Britian's leading LGBT journalists, Patrick Strudwick,

:06:07. > :06:09.has been looking into the merits of Truvada and he believes

:06:10. > :06:10.the convention of using condoms has failed.

:06:11. > :06:23.He gave us his take on it for Newsnight.

:06:24. > :06:32.We now have a drug that many regard as a miracle. It can prevent HIV

:06:33. > :06:36.infection. It is highly effective, there are very few or even no side

:06:37. > :06:42.effects and according to a report in the Lancet this week, if we gave it

:06:43. > :06:52.to gay men we could prevent 10,000 new cases of HIV by 2020.

:06:53. > :06:58.Because Prep isn't available on the NHS, a growing number of gay men are

:06:59. > :07:02.buying it online. Like this, this is the generic version of Truvada. You

:07:03. > :07:06.can buy it off the internet. Import it from India and it costs a

:07:07. > :07:15.fraction of what you pay on a private prescription.

:07:16. > :07:18.Generic Prep is only a Stan gap until the NHS provides it for free

:07:19. > :07:22.for those of us who are most at risk of getting HIV. I think it's a

:07:23. > :07:34.scandal that we are in 2016, and we have known for four or five years,

:07:35. > :07:38.how effective Prep is. Already many gay men are taking Prep

:07:39. > :07:42.and saying so on a dating app profiles. Sometimes it is to show

:07:43. > :07:47.they won't say no to someone because they are HIV-positive. Sometimes it

:07:48. > :07:52.can mean they are interested in having condomless sex. Either way it

:07:53. > :08:01.is beginning to break down the barriers between HIV-negative and

:08:02. > :08:06.HIV-positive men. Prep has than an amazing effect on my life. The same

:08:07. > :08:10.anxiousness round sex, because I know that I am protected, I now do

:08:11. > :08:13.not need to have that awkward conversation, asking such a personal

:08:14. > :08:18.question to someone, to ask them if they are HIV-positive or not,

:08:19. > :08:23.because I know that I am protected against HIV and I am not passing it

:08:24. > :08:28.on to other people. For me, the NHS is letting gay men

:08:29. > :08:34.down. It could easily make Prep available and it is not doing so.

:08:35. > :08:41.This is negligent. We have more than 6,000 new cases of HIV a year. Round

:08:42. > :08:45.half are of gay men. The battle for condom use has been lost. It is time

:08:46. > :08:53.It is time to look elsewhere, for answers to the HIV epidemic.

:08:54. > :08:55.Joining me to discuss this is Dr Michael Brady

:08:56. > :08:58.And from Los Angeles, Ged Kenslea, senior director

:08:59. > :09:09.Gentlemen, good to have you here. Ged Kenslea, do you believe that the

:09:10. > :09:15.battle for use of condoms has been logs, that there are better ways now

:09:16. > :09:21.to Superintendent HIV Aids? Well, I hate to rain on Patrick's parade, if

:09:22. > :09:25.but if he feels the battle for condoms has been lost, at least

:09:26. > :09:32.under US a guidelines we won't want to do Prep because it requires

:09:33. > :09:37.condom use as well. It's a four part prevention strategy as a doctor

:09:38. > :09:42.mentioned. Kudos to them, because they are very aggressive marketing

:09:43. > :09:48.in the city that has Prep plus condoms. Prep technically it is a

:09:49. > :09:52.negative HIV test to start. Daily adherence to the pill. Periodic,

:09:53. > :09:57.three month follow up negative testing to make sure that the

:09:58. > :10:04.individual remains HIV-negative, and continued use of other prevention

:10:05. > :10:07.strategy, like condoms. At least under US guideline, Prep includes

:10:08. > :10:11.condom use. So Michael Brady, when you see the advert for exam million

:10:12. > :10:14.the piece we have watched of the guy going out, he says I like to party

:10:15. > :10:17.and that is his answer to it. Do you accept it is sometimes used as a

:10:18. > :10:23.party drug, even though it shouldn't be. I think we need to be careful

:10:24. > :10:28.about the language round Prep and not forget this is a very well

:10:29. > :10:32.researched successful HIV intervention. The research studies

:10:33. > :10:37.and the evidence behind it is robust, solid and adds you mentioned

:10:38. > :10:42.before, with the Lancet paper has been published in peer journals. The

:10:43. > :10:46.context of that advert has to be you know realise, I assume that is

:10:47. > :10:51.something that aimed at a community, so of lay enpeople, so the

:10:52. > :10:56.language... You can do this if you want. We can choose which word to

:10:57. > :11:00.pick up on, we can pick up on I like to play or be safe. That is the

:11:01. > :11:05.important thing, what Prep gives up or those men who may be at risk is

:11:06. > :11:10.another option to remain safe and to use it in conjunction with condoms.

:11:11. > :11:15.There is not an intervention to be used by itself. Would you agree with

:11:16. > :11:19.person who says it is a scandal to know how effective this is and not

:11:20. > :11:24.have it freely available here on the NHS? Well, we support the NHS on

:11:25. > :11:28.that. My understanding is that the medication isn't really approved by

:11:29. > :11:34.your Government as yet. But we would a prove that. We, my boss made the

:11:35. > :11:39.offhanded comment about a year or so ago, referring to Prep as a party

:11:40. > :11:45.drug. That inflamed the internet and so forth, but, you know, our

:11:46. > :11:49.physician, prescribe Prep, we have a chain of 37 pharmacies in 14 of the

:11:50. > :11:53.US state, they fill prescriptions for Prep. We believe that Prep

:11:54. > :11:59.should be a decision made between a provider and his or her patient, not

:12:00. > :12:03.a blanket community wide. Would your organisation withdraw that claim, if

:12:04. > :12:08.you like, it is a party drug? Do you think that was wrongly worded? No, I

:12:09. > :12:14.don't think so, because what has happened since FDA approval in July

:12:15. > :12:19.of 2012 is the goalposts have moved. In that Prep used toed daily

:12:20. > :12:24.medication, now it is really being promoted for situational use. A mind

:12:25. > :12:28.you there are studies going on that are exploring that issue, but under

:12:29. > :12:32.current guidelines it should be daily adherence, people are now

:12:33. > :12:38.suggesting which we believe that ad says you can do it for three or four

:12:39. > :12:41.days. Sorry, when you hear it is being used for situational use

:12:42. > :12:45.people will be watching saying there are many diseases that frankly

:12:46. > :12:50.aren't preventable, that NHS money could be spent on, you can't stop

:12:51. > :12:53.cancer by using a condom, you probably can stop HIV. Let me

:12:54. > :12:57.address a number of those thingingser. Going back to the

:12:58. > :13:00.initials a tasting about the condoms, the battle of condoms has

:13:01. > :13:04.been loss, that is not true. There is lots of evidence that shows

:13:05. > :13:09.condom use has been effective in slowing the pace of infection, but

:13:10. > :13:13.it hasn't stopped them. In this country, certainly, the the same

:13:14. > :13:17.number of gay men are being infected, while condoms have no made

:13:18. > :13:23.it worse we need to up step up. That is where Prep comes in. You talk

:13:24. > :13:29.about... It is important to make the point about intermittent use, there

:13:30. > :13:35.are two published studies that shown the same efficacy, one was the Proud

:13:36. > :13:40.study, which is regular Prep use and one in France, which showed that you

:13:41. > :13:44.could use it in intermittently, there is good evidence to show that

:13:45. > :13:49.situational or on demand use of Prep is just as effective. You are

:13:50. > :13:55.talking about the use for gay men on a daily basis. Or intermittent. It

:13:56. > :14:03.works a ewell. One third of HIV diagnosis are with British African,

:14:04. > :14:05.straight and gay, so the moment you start introducing arbitrary

:14:06. > :14:10.prescriptions, you are trying to decide who merits getting it and who

:14:11. > :14:14.doesn't. I don't think so. It is not arbitrary. If we talk about the gay

:14:15. > :14:18.men group to start with. I will come on to other groups, we already have

:14:19. > :14:23.lots of evidence in, which would enable us to identify those gay men

:14:24. > :14:28.who are most at risk, based on sexual history, whether on your

:14:29. > :14:33.reports of unprotected sex or previously infections. Those men who

:14:34. > :14:38.are going to benefit is easy. Those of us involved in the Proud study

:14:39. > :14:44.have found that easy in terms of recruiting. It impacts on the other

:14:45. > :14:50.important fact round NHS funding of this, I think we must not lose sight

:14:51. > :14:53.of ourer, our health care system is funded differently from the States.

:14:54. > :14:57.Is important the cost effectiveness is brought in so it is a fair

:14:58. > :15:03.comparison with other things we have to spend resources on.

:15:04. > :15:05.It is one of the most peculiar recent developments

:15:06. > :15:08.of our parliamentary democracy - if a petition to Parliament passes

:15:09. > :15:10.a threshold of 100,000 signatures, a debate with MPs can be held.

:15:11. > :15:13.And thus it is that on Monday night, our legislators will gather

:15:14. > :15:16.for a full three hours to argue whether Donald Trump should

:15:17. > :15:19.Nearly 600,000 people signed the petition -

:15:20. > :15:21.the largest ever - after the Republican candidate's

:15:22. > :15:24.controversial call for Muslims to be barred

:15:25. > :15:30.So does this signal a healthy democracy in action,

:15:31. > :15:32.or a narrow-minded response that matches the very move

:15:33. > :15:34.the petitioners are seeking to vilify?

:15:35. > :15:47.It is easy to laugh at the schmaltz of American politics sometimes.

:15:48. > :15:53.# Donald Trump knows how to make America great...

:15:54. > :15:56.This, believe it or not, was organised by people who support

:15:57. > :16:03.Donald Trump, not by his enemies to make him look ridiculous.

:16:04. > :16:06.But perhaps the Americans can laugh at the absurdity of our system

:16:07. > :16:11.As an example, some might cite the fact that on Monday,

:16:12. > :16:17.for three hours in a side room of the Commons,

:16:18. > :16:21.There won't be a vote and it's hard to see any of what is said

:16:22. > :16:23.there making the blindest bit of difference to anything.

:16:24. > :16:27.Parliament has more important things to do.

:16:28. > :16:31.We have attacks on the homeland from Isil, attacks in Europe,

:16:32. > :16:33.the European Union going on, the stuff

:16:34. > :16:36.that fills up Newsnight every night, and we are discussing Donald Trump.

:16:37. > :16:41.The debate was triggered by a government e-petition,

:16:42. > :16:44.signed by people outraged by comments by a man who calls

:16:45. > :16:49.himself the least racist person you have ever met.

:16:50. > :16:54.Donald J Trump is calling for a total and complete

:16:55. > :16:56.shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our

:16:57. > :16:58.country's representatives can figure out what

:16:59. > :17:05.In the UK, these words were met with outraged

:17:06. > :17:07.condemnation by everyone in mainstream politics

:17:08. > :17:09.and there was no shortage of advice for the Home

:17:10. > :17:14.Are you going to ban Donald Trump from the UK?

:17:15. > :17:24.It is an easy matter to ban someone - they are not

:17:25. > :17:27.It happens to thousands of people all the time.

:17:28. > :17:30.However, when it happens to a celebrity, like it did to Chris

:17:31. > :17:33.Brown, or Mike Tyson, or Martha Stewart, we in the media

:17:34. > :17:43.But the Home Secretary also has the power to

:17:44. > :17:46.personally exclude someone whose presence in the UK she feels is not

:17:47. > :17:50.For some MPs, that is the perfect description of Donald Trump.

:17:51. > :17:52.He is not conducive to the public good.

:17:53. > :17:55.We have rules in our country that state

:17:56. > :17:57.if figures are not conducive to the public good, they should not

:17:58. > :18:01.We should not make exceptions for billionaire

:18:02. > :18:18.Sometimes that's the beauty of freedom of speech.

:18:19. > :18:22.When it gets out in the open and is put in such a way people say,

:18:23. > :18:25.wait a minute, this is the dumbest thing I've heard, and you don't know

:18:26. > :18:30.As someone who has been been a talk-show host, many days

:18:31. > :18:35.many days I have had something that is genius

:18:36. > :18:38.until I open my mouth, and I am the first to say -

:18:39. > :18:40.that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

:18:41. > :18:43.The main reason this will come to nothing is the government

:18:44. > :18:48.Come November, there is a chance Donald Trump could be elected

:18:49. > :18:52.It is not a massive chance, but stranger things

:18:53. > :18:58.And the government is not about to risk such an international

:18:59. > :19:03.Donald Trump has faced scarier situations than just being talked

:19:04. > :19:12.Being banned might even help him win votes, although not necessarily

:19:13. > :19:22.Rose Hamid was kicked out of a Donald Trump event in South

:19:23. > :19:27.She had stood in silent protest, wearing a hijab and a T-shirt

:19:28. > :19:41.Nice of you to join us, why did you attend that event?

:19:42. > :19:43.Nice of you to join us, why did you have a history of protesting things

:19:44. > :19:47.we stand against and that was have a history of protesting things

:19:48. > :19:55.aspect. The other aspect Muslim, I have objection to the way

:19:56. > :20:00.he is talking about Muslims, and not just Muslims, but all hate speech in

:20:01. > :20:05.general so it was standing up against the concept of hate speech,

:20:06. > :20:07.because of the way it could spiral. Did you expect to be thrown out of

:20:08. > :20:16.the event? Was it what Did you expect to be thrown out of

:20:17. > :20:16.hoping for? I was assuming I would once I stood

:20:17. > :20:20.hoping for? I was assuming I would has asked people to leave before.

:20:21. > :20:26.What do you think should happen to Donald Trump with the debate in

:20:27. > :20:31.Parliament on Monday? At issue is the question of hate speech and what

:20:32. > :20:37.it causes. When I was sitting, before I stood up in protest, the

:20:38. > :20:41.people around me were nice, cordial, decent human beings, which I believe

:20:42. > :20:45.most people are, the problem is when you get into the mob mentality,

:20:46. > :20:46.most people are, the problem is when which he whipped people into this

:20:47. > :20:49.frenzy, it is almost which he whipped people into this

:20:50. > :20:53.different entity, people are not individuals, they behave in a way

:20:54. > :20:56.that is dangerous not just individuals, they behave in a way

:20:57. > :20:58.Muslims, but for all people individuals, they behave in a way

:20:59. > :21:07.up in that. Do you think it is individuals, they behave in a way

:21:08. > :21:10.ban him in the UK? I am sorry, I did not

:21:11. > :21:13.ban him in the UK? I am sorry, I did he should be banned from the UK? I

:21:14. > :21:16.think you should, it would send a message. He has to change his

:21:17. > :21:21.rhetoric. message. He has to change his

:21:22. > :21:27.speech. Why is that not a message. He has to change his

:21:28. > :21:29.a mob mentality, signing a petition calling for a ban, when you do not

:21:30. > :21:32.like him calling for a ban? calling for a ban, when you do not

:21:33. > :21:37.concept is what the results are, calling for a ban, when you do not

:21:38. > :21:45.when someone is standing there, and it was evident in the room I was in.

:21:46. > :21:50.The whipping up, calling people, even saying, they hate us, it is

:21:51. > :21:58.something, when you say they hate us, it is, they hate me, I am going

:21:59. > :22:03.to hate them back. That concept inspires people to do that in a

:22:04. > :22:07.group. You think he believes what he is saying? Is he tapping into

:22:08. > :22:17.something some Americans already thought? Do you think he is creating

:22:18. > :22:21.this feeling now? There is a group, and Islamophobic network in America

:22:22. > :22:26.that is active and well funded and is probably providing him with

:22:27. > :22:29.inaccurate information and probably feeding into some of the fears of

:22:30. > :22:44.folks in America. There is a group, a report called Fear Inc. If he gets

:22:45. > :22:48.the nomination for the presidency, what will happen? I don't know. I

:22:49. > :22:58.think Canada will have an immigration problem! I don't know. I

:22:59. > :23:02.really hope that once this starts to pan out people realise hate speech

:23:03. > :23:08.is not the way America wants to be represented to the world. Are you

:23:09. > :23:13.scared that will happen? Would it make you reconsider your position in

:23:14. > :23:19.the United States? I think if he does win, I think there will be a

:23:20. > :23:23.lot of work to do to combat any type of the things he is saying he wants

:23:24. > :23:27.to institute. I think there will be a lot of work that needs to be done

:23:28. > :23:34.and people need to stand up against him. You would like on Monday to

:23:35. > :23:38.hear UK legislators banned Donald Trump from coming here? That would

:23:39. > :23:45.be great. There is a resolution in South Carolina, representative wants

:23:46. > :23:46.to ban him from South Carolina. Thanks.

:23:47. > :23:49.The new film The Revenant - nominated yesterday for 12 Oscars -

:23:50. > :23:54.It's long, it's brutal, and, if you're looking for character

:23:55. > :23:58.But for those who appreciate extraordinarily skilful tracking

:23:59. > :23:59.shots and a vision of the wildnerness

:24:00. > :24:04.untouched, raw and majestic, then, yes, it's a piece of art.

:24:05. > :24:07.The film was shot with minumum artifice and maximum use of real

:24:08. > :24:11.It tells the story of an American fur trapper

:24:12. > :24:14.left for dead after an attack by a bear, and it stars

:24:15. > :24:27.I sat down with the director, Alejandro G Inarritu.

:24:28. > :24:30.To make a film like this requires a lot of work,

:24:31. > :24:36.Obviously, to be exposed 14 hours a day in exterior

:24:37. > :24:40.locations, in low temperatures, prepare all those landscapes.

:24:41. > :24:42.Logistically, it was a very challenging film

:24:43. > :24:51.We were shooting a film about these trappers struggling in those

:24:52. > :25:02.conditions, and we have to go through the same,

:25:03. > :25:04.because those scenarios were needed to express how nature can heal you,

:25:05. > :25:09.And those were, I will say the natural states of these men,

:25:10. > :25:11.as we are now used to concrete and city lights

:25:12. > :25:25.This is the toughest jungle, maybe for these men.

:25:26. > :25:28.Maybe if they were born now, "How do they survive here,

:25:29. > :25:41.I doubt it was a fair critic, because nobody can say that.

:25:42. > :25:44.It was one of those things that happened and I think maybe

:25:45. > :25:47.it is a metaphorical way to say that it was brutal.

:25:48. > :25:49.When a bear attacks a man, it is brutal.

:25:50. > :25:52.I went into every detail of how and why a bear does that,

:25:53. > :26:00.I want that the audience, in a way - that rarely ever in life

:26:01. > :26:09.For me, the film is a metaphor about how we, in our lives,

:26:10. > :26:15.For me, to deal with cancer is a bear attack, or to deal

:26:16. > :26:19.with divorce, or when a family member dies.

:26:20. > :26:22.You fall from the cliff, you are attacked by a bear.

:26:23. > :26:24.People in a way have to heal themselves spiritually,

:26:25. > :26:32.I think we die and live and are reborn many

:26:33. > :26:42.One thing that struck me very strongly was seeing these frontier

:26:43. > :26:44.pioneers of the 1800s, where the right to bear arms

:26:45. > :26:46.was literally a matter of life and death.

:26:47. > :26:50.I wonder if you approach what is now a very hot gun debate topic

:26:51. > :26:52.in the States with a different understanding of what it means

:26:53. > :27:04.I think in that time and in those territories, it made absolute sense.

:27:05. > :27:09.Those men can't live without a gun in that time.

:27:10. > :27:14.When you were going into those places, everything was a threat.

:27:15. > :27:17.More widely, how do you see America, the country you have now

:27:18. > :27:21.made your home, in an election year - it's going to be a big

:27:22. > :27:23.year for America, this - how do you feel as a Mexican,

:27:24. > :27:26.how do you feel about this country that you see, to some

:27:27. > :27:41.I really have been a privileged guy in the United States.

:27:42. > :27:44.I have been supported, and have had the privilege to work,

:27:45. > :27:47.and I am absolutely thankful for many things.

:27:48. > :27:52.That is not the same luck for many of my Mexican fellows.

:27:53. > :27:55.The fact they are invisible, the fact they have not been

:27:56. > :27:59.The fact that the ones who have been living here ten,

:28:00. > :28:01.15 years - families, that have built everything,

:28:02. > :28:10.That have contributed not just working, but culturally,

:28:11. > :28:13.with their smiles, their power, with a lot of things

:28:14. > :28:18.The fact they are invisible and are not recognised and have not

:28:19. > :28:22.been accepted and officially been citizens with the rights of anybody,

:28:23. > :28:26.it is something that really fills my heart with a lot of pain.

:28:27. > :28:29.Do you think it will get harder for Mexicans in America this year,

:28:30. > :28:31.given the comments by Donald Trump, etc?

:28:32. > :28:41.I think that, you know, in the story of the world,

:28:42. > :28:46.people do not get along easily, even in our families.

:28:47. > :28:52.On a 15-day trip you cannot get along with people you love.

:28:53. > :28:54.But that does not mean that you deport people,

:28:55. > :28:58.We have to get along in a way, especially when it

:28:59. > :29:05.I think there is a lack of understanding.

:29:06. > :29:08.When those comments are expressed irresponsibly, in such an ignorant

:29:09. > :29:14.way, to not understand the integrity and the dimension and the complexity

:29:15. > :29:16.of human beings, with the reason that makes them be there...

:29:17. > :29:19.Without compassion, without kindness.

:29:20. > :29:27.If we don't understand the other, who do you love, if you

:29:28. > :29:38.That's it for tonight, but in the week in which Britain

:29:39. > :29:41.lost one hero - David Bowie - and gained a new one -

:29:42. > :29:42.Tim Peake, the first British astronaut

:29:43. > :29:48.it seems fitting to leave you with the pictures that bring

:29:49. > :29:52.MISSION CONTROL: Tim, it's really cool seeing that

:29:53. > :29:55.It has explored all over the world, now

:29:56. > :30:03.# This is Major Tom to ground control.

:30:04. > :30:14.# And I'm floating in the most peculiar way.

:30:15. > :30:24.# And the stars look very different today.

:30:25. > :30:38.# For here am I sitting in a tin can.

:30:39. > :30:48.# Planet Earth is blue and there's nothing I can do #.