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:00:07. > :00:25.This is really not anywhere near what I had hoped. Even if the full

:00:26. > :00:31.baskets at the UN were res lurkts clear, and what we were asking for

:00:32. > :00:34.it might be a step in the right direction, but it isn't that.

:00:35. > :00:36.Mr Cameron talks up his renegotiation while his party

:00:37. > :00:39.Perhaps it was never going to change people's minds

:00:40. > :00:43.We'll work out what has and what has not been achieved.

:00:44. > :00:45.And the Europe Minister does his best to sell

:00:46. > :00:53.After a tie to the last percentage point between Hillary Clinton and

:00:54. > :00:56.Bernie Sanders we look at what's happening on the left of American

:00:57. > :01:01.politics Up till now it's been

:01:02. > :01:04.spread by mosquitoes. Tonight, reports of the first

:01:05. > :01:06.confirmed US case transmitted So, a draft deal with the EU

:01:07. > :01:16.has been published. We've spent a long time

:01:17. > :01:26.getting here, but have about getting this

:01:27. > :01:32.relationship right. I don't believe leaving the EU

:01:33. > :01:35.would be best for Britain, but nor do I believe that voting

:01:36. > :01:39.to preserve the exact status quo We will give the British people

:01:40. > :01:44.a referendum with a very simple To stay in the European Union

:01:45. > :01:51.on these new terms or to We are saying the Conservatives

:01:52. > :02:02.are the largest party. There will be ups and downs,

:02:03. > :02:05.you will hear one day this is possible, the next day

:02:06. > :02:09.something else is impossible. But one thing throughout

:02:10. > :02:17.all of this will be constant EU migrants should have a job offer

:02:18. > :02:24.before they come here. UK taxpayers will not

:02:25. > :02:27.support them if they don't. And once they are in work,

:02:28. > :02:30.they won't get benefits or social housing from Britain

:02:31. > :02:32.unless they have been I think strong, determined,

:02:33. > :02:38.patient negotiation has achieved Well, it is today that we saw

:02:39. > :02:49.the outline of the result Mr Cameron has certainly

:02:50. > :02:52.lowered his aspirations since 2013, when he embarked on the path

:02:53. > :02:55.to a referendum and made some lavish promises about what

:02:56. > :02:58.he might achieve. Predictably, people involved

:02:59. > :03:02.in officially campaigning for Britain to stay in the EU

:03:03. > :03:05.are enthusiastic about the package. A sign, they say, of how

:03:06. > :03:07.far our partners will bend Those against our membership

:03:08. > :03:13.dismiss it as derisory. But the funny thing is that even

:03:14. > :03:16.many EU supporters - people on Cameron's side -

:03:17. > :03:18.also dismiss it as far Do you want to make

:03:19. > :03:24.up your own mind? Today we got the skeleton

:03:25. > :03:32.of a deal from Brussels. So we know roughly what

:03:33. > :03:36.renegotiation will look like and that the referendum looks

:03:37. > :03:38.increasingly likely to fall on June Sometimes people say

:03:39. > :03:44.to me, if you weren't in the European Union,

:03:45. > :03:46.would you opt to join And today I can give

:03:47. > :03:49.a very clear answer. If I could get these terms

:03:50. > :03:53.for British membership, I sure would opt in to be a member

:03:54. > :03:57.of the European Union because these And they're different

:03:58. > :04:02.to what other countries have. Now the Prime Minister

:04:03. > :04:05.wants to campaign to remain within the European Union

:04:06. > :04:08.and so for him the renegotiation First of all it is

:04:09. > :04:16.changing the EU into For example through changes

:04:17. > :04:19.to migration rules. Secondly, though, it is

:04:20. > :04:21.demonstrating that Britain has influence that it can

:04:22. > :04:23.use to change the EU, that Europe isn't something

:04:24. > :04:25.that is just done to us. The problem for him,

:04:26. > :04:27.though, is that these changes have to be big enough

:04:28. > :04:33.to sell both of those ideas. The draft proposes that the Eurozone

:04:34. > :04:35.nations shouldn't be able So it has a mechanism

:04:36. > :04:40.to respect the competences, rights and obligations of member

:04:41. > :04:42.states whose currency They also say that treaty references

:04:43. > :04:48.to an ever closer union should not be used to support an extensive

:04:49. > :04:54.interpretation of the competences be used to support an extensive

:04:55. > :04:57.interpretation of the competencies If a bit more than half of EU

:04:58. > :05:02.Parliaments, in the jargon, 55% of the votes allocated

:05:03. > :05:04.to national parliaments, pass a vote against the measure,

:05:05. > :05:06.they can block European This expert from

:05:07. > :05:09.a think tank close to the Prime Minister thinks those

:05:10. > :05:11.provisions are significant, I think when it comes

:05:12. > :05:15.to the red card for national parliaments,

:05:16. > :05:17.that is more of a symbolic victory It is the first time that national

:05:18. > :05:34.parliaments have a binding assay It is the first time that national

:05:35. > :05:37.parliaments have a binding say But the threshold of 55% of national

:05:38. > :05:41.parliaments to activate the red card Now of course some people

:05:42. > :05:44.said to me, don't... So can the Prime Minister

:05:45. > :05:46.sell this to his Just kick over the table,

:05:47. > :05:49.stormed out of the room, and wait until they

:05:50. > :05:51.call you back in. Well, the PM has asked for something

:05:52. > :05:54.which to me was critical. Which is no ever closer

:05:55. > :05:56.union for Great Britain. The response in the

:05:57. > :05:58.document is pretty It says they understand

:05:59. > :06:02.that that is what we are asking for and when they get

:06:03. > :06:05.to any future treaty whoever is running the member states then,

:06:06. > :06:08.so not the people who were there today, will be deciding this,

:06:09. > :06:11.will have a look at it and see if they can include it

:06:12. > :06:13.in a future treaty. On immigration, they propose

:06:14. > :06:15.allowing bans of EU citizens who represent a genuine

:06:16. > :06:17.and serious threat. Even in the absence

:06:18. > :06:19.of a criminal conviction. They also propose an emergency brake

:06:20. > :06:22.on migration, to be used when there is an inflow of workers

:06:23. > :06:24.from other member states of an exceptional magnitude over

:06:25. > :06:27.an extended period of time. That would not be a ban on coming

:06:28. > :06:30.here, but new EU workers would not get full access to

:06:31. > :06:32.benefits for a bit. They would start with an initial,

:06:33. > :06:35.complete exclusion from them, but then get gradually increasing

:06:36. > :06:37.access to full benefit entitlements The paper also proposes trimming

:06:38. > :06:41.the children's benefits paid out to families where the

:06:42. > :06:44.child lives abroad. These migration proposals

:06:45. > :06:47.caused a bit of a problem Last year at the election

:06:48. > :06:51.he pledged that people who had been working here for fewer

:06:52. > :06:54.than four years shouldn't be He also pledged that people whose

:06:55. > :07:00.children are abroad shouldn't get So you can understand why some

:07:01. > :07:07.people will feel their expectations I think that is slightly

:07:08. > :07:22.unfair and people should recognise how

:07:23. > :07:24.far we have come. First of all the ability

:07:25. > :07:26.to distinguish between UK nationals and EU nationals who are first

:07:27. > :07:28.arriving and denied access to the welfare system

:07:29. > :07:31.for a period of time. And I think when it comes

:07:32. > :07:34.to the UK universal system, although it may not be a ban

:07:35. > :07:37.for four years outright, denying benefits for a certain

:07:38. > :07:40.period of time could change people's attitudes to whether they take

:07:41. > :07:43.the decision to come to the UK. The emergency brake

:07:44. > :07:44.in of itself is a It is the EU telling us

:07:45. > :07:50.when we might be allowed So you're driving a car,

:07:51. > :07:54.you can see a car crash at the head. You're not allowed to put

:07:55. > :07:57.your foot on the brake. But you're not allowed to hold

:07:58. > :08:00.the steering wheel either. So there are substantive

:08:01. > :08:02.changes in there but it is not what the Tory manifesto

:08:03. > :08:05.promised and it is not going to be in the bag until an EU meeting that

:08:06. > :08:09.ends on February the 19th. Earlier this evening I spoke

:08:10. > :08:11.to the Europe Minister, Now, the Prime Mininster said

:08:12. > :08:14.earlier, "hand on heart", he'd achieved what he said

:08:15. > :08:17.he would in the Tory party So, could Mr Lidington

:08:18. > :08:28.help clarify that? I asked whether the draft deal met

:08:29. > :08:34.the manifesto's commitment to require EU migrants to leave Britain

:08:35. > :08:38.if they hadn't found a job here in six months. It is already the

:08:39. > :08:42.position under European law that you are allowed to travel freely to work

:08:43. > :08:46.but you are not allowed to hang on if you have no prospect of work. So

:08:47. > :08:50.that's already a provision. If this is about making sure that we are

:08:51. > :08:54.able to deliver on that. But they'll be required to leave. So even if

:08:55. > :08:59.they've got their own resources, because they won't be Gesting

:09:00. > :09:04.benefits. They will be deported or give a notice... This is a matters

:09:05. > :09:08.for the Immigration Service's arrangements for dealing with people

:09:09. > :09:12.who've, who are here without a legal right to be here. Obviously if

:09:13. > :09:17.somebody has their own resources it is conceivable that they might

:09:18. > :09:22.qualify for residence under other aspects of the UK's immigration

:09:23. > :09:28.rules. It will have to be looked at case by case. We'll call that a

:09:29. > :09:33.score draw. The manifesto said if an EU migrant child is living abroad,

:09:34. > :09:37.then they should reach no child benefit. Has that been achieved? On

:09:38. > :09:43.the particular issue of child benefit the proposal that's in the

:09:44. > :09:47.papers is that child benefit should be paid indexed to the living

:09:48. > :09:55.standards of the country where the child is residing. It is a

:09:56. > :10:01.compromise. But on the other hand if one simply ended all child benefit

:10:02. > :10:06.payments, where the parent is living here child living abroad, there

:10:07. > :10:14.height be an incentive for them to bring their children with them. We

:10:15. > :10:18.think if that would be nailed down. It would restore fairness to the

:10:19. > :10:21.benefits system. And I think will make a difference in terms of

:10:22. > :10:24.welfare spend. I'm asking this, because the Prime Minister said hand

:10:25. > :10:30.on heart he had achieved the manifesto goal. He said, if you go

:10:31. > :10:33.back to look at what he said in its entirety, he said what we have is

:10:34. > :10:41.the basis for a good settlement. Burr there's a lot of work still to

:10:42. > :10:46.be done. He implied, in fact he said directly, if he got this deal, as

:10:47. > :10:50.long as this was delivered, he would be happy to join an EU if he weren't

:10:51. > :10:54.a member. So his position is he's happy with the deal or he isn't

:10:55. > :11:00.happy with the deal on the table? His position is this is a very good

:11:01. > :11:03.basis for a deal that delivers answers to things about which the

:11:04. > :11:07.British people have been most concerned. But as you will see, if

:11:08. > :11:11.you've gone through the text, there are elements in it still in square

:11:12. > :11:17.brackets and so on. There is still negotiation to be done. This is a

:11:18. > :11:21.deal that will require the agreement of all 27 Governments. I don't want

:11:22. > :11:27.to take, will the Prime Minister be happy if they gets this deal on

:11:28. > :11:33.child benefit? If we get that as part of the whole package, we think

:11:34. > :11:38.that would represent a reasonable compromise. We are looking at every

:11:39. > :11:41.aspect of this negotiation, because the different parts all hang

:11:42. > :11:45.together. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. I think you

:11:46. > :11:52.will find every Government in Europe is saying that. The manifesto said,

:11:53. > :11:57.we will insist that EU migrants to want to claim child benefit and tax

:11:58. > :12:01.credits must have lived here for a minimum of four years. Has that been

:12:02. > :12:07.achieved? Where we've got to today is a big advance on where we were.

:12:08. > :12:12.What we've got today is explicit recognition by the European

:12:13. > :12:18.institutions, first that in-work welfare systems can act as an

:12:19. > :12:23.artificial pull factor for migration into a particular country. Secondly,

:12:24. > :12:29.that individual countries should be entitled to do something about it,

:12:30. > :12:33.and there are drafts of a legal mechanism that would enable action

:12:34. > :12:37.to be taken. And third, the commission says, as part of today's

:12:38. > :12:40.set of document, that they believe that the United Kingdom would

:12:41. > :12:48.qualify to pull that so-called emergency brake now. And that, which

:12:49. > :12:50.is now on offer, written down in this Tusk memo, would be

:12:51. > :12:57.satisfactory for the British Government? You haven't achieved it

:12:58. > :13:00.yet... It is a working draft in a live negotiation. I understand

:13:01. > :13:05.you've got something, but I want to quote the manifesto. It says, this

:13:06. > :13:08.will be an absolute requirement in the renegotiation. Again I come back

:13:09. > :13:14.to the fact the Prime Minister said he's achieved what was written in

:13:15. > :13:18.the manifesto. Patently they choose whether we apply the emergency

:13:19. > :13:24.brake. If you look at what the Prime Minister said today, he said all

:13:25. > :13:28.along, this is a very good important step forward, but this is also a

:13:29. > :13:31.live negotiation. But you are hovering between that we are going

:13:32. > :13:37.to get more and that you are happy with what we've got. Which is it?

:13:38. > :13:42.Are we going to get more? Or is this a satisfactory deal? This is a good

:13:43. > :13:46.basis on which to move towards a deal at the next summit, but we are

:13:47. > :13:51.not there yet. So why did the Prime Minister today say, if I could get a

:13:52. > :13:54.deal like this, I would be enthusiastically campaigning to join

:13:55. > :14:02.the European Union if we weren't in it. If we do get a deal with all the

:14:03. > :14:05.Ts crossed and Is dotted, there are important elements in the draft

:14:06. > :14:09.which require further negotiation. But there's a difference between

:14:10. > :14:14.crossing a T and trying to renegotiate a point that's appeared

:14:15. > :14:18.to have been conceded, that ants Madge brake, but we are not going to

:14:19. > :14:25.get the requirement, which was there'll be no in-work benefits. The

:14:26. > :14:29.PM has been clear, go back to 204, when he addressed the issue of

:14:30. > :14:31.welfare and migration in detail. He said consistently that what he is

:14:32. > :14:44.about is getting the right outcome. What research has been done about

:14:45. > :14:48.the numbers coming in for the EU benefits system. We know from the

:14:49. > :15:01.Department of Work and Pensions figures that something like 40% of

:15:02. > :15:05.recently arrived migrants... I do not want to know how many claim

:15:06. > :15:10.benefits but how many come here as a result of those benefits being

:15:11. > :15:12.claimed. That is a different matter. Steve Nickell of the Office for

:15:13. > :15:17.Budget Responsibility used the phrase, not much, when asked by a

:15:18. > :15:25.parliamentary committee. I think we were speaking in a personal

:15:26. > :15:33.capacity, but when you look at the fact that somebody who comes to the

:15:34. > :15:40.UK by claiming in work benefits, is able to be better off taking a

:15:41. > :15:44.minimum wage unskilled job in this country, than by taking even a

:15:45. > :15:48.skilled job in some of the countries people are coming from, you can see

:15:49. > :15:54.that that system of access from day one to in work and of it makes us a

:15:55. > :16:00.more attractive location. Can you hand on heart, to coin a phrase,

:16:01. > :16:04.said that as a result of this migration from the European Union

:16:05. > :16:10.will go down? I'm very confident that if a deal of this kind goes

:16:11. > :16:15.through, and I repeat a lot of the detail has yet to be negotiated,

:16:16. > :16:19.then the incentives that are welfare system provides will be reduced and

:16:20. > :16:27.therefore people have less incentive to come to the UK. So it will go

:16:28. > :16:30.down. It will depend in part on what happens in their home countries, how

:16:31. > :16:37.good they are at creating jobs, how desperate people feel. So yes or no,

:16:38. > :16:42.we'll migration from the EU go down if we get away, that depends

:16:43. > :16:44.question what I'm saying it will reduce the pull factors

:16:45. > :16:52.significantly off the welfare system. But there's more than one

:16:53. > :16:55.motivating force when people choose both whether to leave their home

:16:56. > :16:59.country and which other country then they want to move to. They're

:17:00. > :17:08.looking at job prospects at home and they compare what we can offer. Even

:17:09. > :17:15.last month, December, the Prime Minister talked about this package

:17:16. > :17:19.as fundamental change. Do you as you stand and look at this now, really

:17:20. > :17:24.think this is a fundamental change in our relationship with the EU? It

:17:25. > :17:29.is pretty fundamental change not just in our relationship with the EU

:17:30. > :17:33.but the way the EU things about itself and intends to operate in the

:17:34. > :17:39.future. Are you now ready to vote to stay in? I'm very hopeful that after

:17:40. > :17:43.a successful deal I will campaign alongside the Prime Minister for

:17:44. > :17:48.continued membership of a reformed EU. David Cameron has got to remain

:17:49. > :17:52.open-minded because he is told, he told his ministers that they cannot

:17:53. > :17:58.campaign yet either because he wants to hold the Eurosceptics back until

:17:59. > :18:03.as close as possible to the referendum. Is that what is really

:18:04. > :18:10.going on? People like Chris Grayling would love to be let out of the

:18:11. > :18:15.traps. The entire government took office on a shared collective

:18:16. > :18:20.commitment to re-negotiate and then have a referendum. That is something

:18:21. > :18:24.that everyone signed up to. There are long-standing honourable

:18:25. > :18:29.differences of view in all political parties about whether ultimately

:18:30. > :18:33.membership of the EU for the UK is a good bad thing and that is why the

:18:34. > :18:36.Prime Ministers said in these exceptional circumstances when it

:18:37. > :18:39.comes referendum campaigning, and listers who had a long-standing

:18:40. > :18:41.position against EU membership would be free to campaign for that in

:18:42. > :18:44.their personal capacity. I'm guessing that the people

:18:45. > :18:48.who are not interested probably never made it past the first two

:18:49. > :18:50.minutes, to be frank. At times like this it's worth asking

:18:51. > :18:53.what the Tories' election-winning Focus on the important issues,

:18:54. > :18:58.and remember that emotion normally Is the renegotiation

:18:59. > :19:05.important, or emotional? We sent Lewis Goodall to test out

:19:06. > :19:25.the views of the public Clacton on Sea, the most Eurosceptic

:19:26. > :19:28.corner of England. If Donald Tusk letter can convince people hear it

:19:29. > :19:31.will convince them anywhere. So I got on my bike to bring this letter

:19:32. > :19:38.to the people. What will they make of David Cameron and his red cards,

:19:39. > :19:43.baskets and emergency brakes? Have you heard of the Prime Minister, he

:19:44. > :19:51.said he has a new deal in Europe? No. You have not heard about the

:19:52. > :19:56.emergency brake? Or the red card? No. So unlikely to make any

:19:57. > :20:01.difference to how you vote? We do not want more people over here.

:20:02. > :20:08.They're getting these people around and there is no work for them. As

:20:09. > :20:13.soon as they come here they will rock 'n' roll. We need to fully

:20:14. > :20:16.respect the current treaties including the principles of free

:20:17. > :20:23.movement and non-discrimination. So the proposal complies with the

:20:24. > :20:31.current rules. And in English? Your guess is as good as mine. I heard

:20:32. > :20:38.there is an emergency brake on workers and stuff like that. But in

:20:39. > :20:44.the EU we will get flooding people into the country anyway, more than

:20:45. > :20:48.are leaving. You have not heard about the Prime Minister and the new

:20:49. > :20:58.deal in Europe? But you will vote to leave anyway? Yes, sorry. What do

:20:59. > :21:09.you think about the EU, would you vote to stay or leave? To leave. No,

:21:10. > :21:16.to stay. Which? To stay? Oh, to leave!

:21:17. > :21:20.With this re-negotiation, David Cameron hoped to finally vanquished

:21:21. > :21:23.Tory Euro scepticism for a generation. He is convinced many of

:21:24. > :21:29.his MPs to come with them, getting him out of a very tight spot.

:21:30. > :21:34.Amongst the public for whom the details of sovereignty and emergency

:21:35. > :21:37.brakes are more obscure, his task is much harder. It may well be that

:21:38. > :21:42.their minds are made up one way or another, long ago.

:21:43. > :21:45.In the upper echelons of the Conservative Party there has

:21:46. > :21:51.Boris Johnson said he did not yet know the "quivering magnitude"

:21:52. > :21:54.of the deal, but sounded sceptical that it had achieved enough.

:21:55. > :21:57.Perhaps more significant were the words of Home Secretary Theresa

:21:58. > :22:03.She said the deal was "encouraging", which is very discouraging for those

:22:04. > :22:05.hoping she would lead the Leave campaign.

:22:06. > :22:08.If you're a Conservative MP, the best thing has been to pretend

:22:09. > :22:11.you're open minded about the EU, so that when you finally

:22:12. > :22:14.declare your view, you sound like you've been swayed by argument

:22:15. > :22:20.We have a Conservative MP with us now, who was open minded and now

:22:21. > :22:34.Good evening. What is your view as of now? I have been traditionally

:22:35. > :22:38.Eurosceptic said I would wait for the re-negotiation to make the

:22:39. > :22:42.decision. The deal I have seen today is not enough to convince me to vote

:22:43. > :22:47.to stay in the EU so I will be voting to leave. And you were kind

:22:48. > :22:53.of holding out until today so you have been swayed today. I think it

:22:54. > :22:56.is just not enough. The issue about migration has not been dealt with

:22:57. > :23:00.because we know that less than 30% of people who come from the EU are

:23:01. > :23:05.here to claim benefits, must come to work. With the living wage being

:23:06. > :23:07.introduced in the next few months that will encourage more people to

:23:08. > :23:13.come. We should welcome those skills that we need absolutely, I say that

:23:14. > :23:16.as a daughter of Irish immigrants who came to work, we need clear

:23:17. > :23:20.boundaries so the skills that we have too many off, we need to be

:23:21. > :23:25.able to say no. It has been obvious for quite a while but this was not

:23:26. > :23:32.going to get you what you wanted. I wonder why you held out until today.

:23:33. > :23:35.I was disappointed with the original requests in the letter to Donald

:23:36. > :23:40.Tusk but I said if anyone could get as a good deal it will be the Prime

:23:41. > :23:42.Minister. And it is this Conservative government and this

:23:43. > :23:46.Prime Ministers who got the referendum in the first place. I was

:23:47. > :23:49.optimistic if anyone could do it it would be the Prime Minister. But

:23:50. > :23:55.what I've seen today has not convinced me. He has let you down a

:23:56. > :23:59.bit. I think Europe has let us down. I have got to go back and face my

:24:00. > :24:02.constituents, by fishermen in New Haven, whether fisheries policy is

:24:03. > :24:08.decimating their business. I've got to go back and see my hairdressers

:24:09. > :24:12.when new EU regulations mean they have to have clients in the chair

:24:13. > :24:16.for longer because hairdryers are less powerful than they were.

:24:17. > :24:20.Furniture producers, copyright changes mean they will be out of

:24:21. > :24:26.business. You said you were always a sceptic but we will not find someone

:24:27. > :24:32.saying they saw you saying you were going to vote for our three weeks

:24:33. > :24:37.ago. I was Eurosceptic, I have been honest, but this is not the deal to

:24:38. > :24:41.convince me. You spoke about your voters but what about your

:24:42. > :24:45.colleagues on the backbenches of the Conservative Party, what has been

:24:46. > :24:48.their reaction today? Most of us have been keen to wait and see what

:24:49. > :24:52.the response is, people are nervous about what this means. Still some

:24:53. > :24:58.people want to wait and see the response from other EU nations

:24:59. > :25:03.before making a decision. I think this is a significant number of the

:25:04. > :25:07.new intake, we have just bought a general election and got our seats,

:25:08. > :25:11.we know what voters think in our constituency. We are going to go

:25:12. > :25:15.into referendum, you will now be on the opposite side of your party

:25:16. > :25:23.leader. Is that going to rip things apart or with you all be friendly

:25:24. > :25:28.other -- afterwards? I'm sure it will not do my long-term medical

:25:29. > :25:32.career any good but I have got to face my constituents at the end of

:25:33. > :25:36.the day and do what I feel is best for the country. My vote and your

:25:37. > :25:39.vote is no less important than every man and woman in this country. I do

:25:40. > :25:44.not get a bigger say in what will happen in our relationship with the

:25:45. > :25:45.EU, the referendum will decide that and the vote of the British public

:25:46. > :25:47.will count. Well, Britain is more

:25:48. > :25:49.important to Europe than Iowa Usually, except in an American

:25:50. > :25:53.election year, and the day Some pretty interesting

:25:54. > :26:11.results there. It is groundhog day today and for a

:26:12. > :26:14.while last night I imagine Hillary Clinton thought it was going to be

:26:15. > :26:19.2008 all over again when she lost the state that time to Barack Obama.

:26:20. > :26:23.The larger-than-life character of Donald Trump has dominated so much

:26:24. > :26:26.of the campaign Trail that for a time the Democrats did not seem to

:26:27. > :26:31.get a look in. But last night the drama was definitely all with them.

:26:32. > :26:35.A nail-biting finish with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and it

:26:36. > :26:40.came down to just three tenths of one percentage point, the closest

:26:41. > :26:45.ever in Democrat Caucus history. The caucus is a strange beast, this

:26:46. > :26:49.extraordinary result achieved not with voting booth or buttons but

:26:50. > :26:51.with paper and pens and the mobilisation of thousands of people

:26:52. > :26:55.right across the state who left their home on a freezing night to go

:26:56. > :27:02.and properly argue with their neighbours. We were lucky enough to

:27:03. > :27:03.watch history in the making. Get some coffee or something.

:27:04. > :27:10.Precinct three, Boone County, Mary and her husband Gary

:27:11. > :27:14.have opened up their farmhouse in rural Iowa for the night.

:27:15. > :27:22.There's camaraderie and occasionally, marital tension.

:27:23. > :27:24.Roxanne and Steve Gunderson arrived together, he went one way

:27:25. > :27:26.to the Clinton corner and she went to

:27:27. > :27:32.You have chats, arguments about this over the dinner table?

:27:33. > :27:50.Wait a minute, are you not listening to what the Democrat party

:27:51. > :27:56.They're already looking for somebody else.

:27:57. > :27:58.If he is the candidate, they're going to look

:27:59. > :28:06.This is done with pencil, paper and bodies that

:28:07. > :28:09.physically cross the floor when a mind is changed.

:28:10. > :28:23.So they are either uncommitted or O'Malley.

:28:24. > :28:25.The uncommitted, Dale, crosses the room

:28:26. > :28:38.I like a lot of what Bernie has to say, but I remember him from way

:28:39. > :28:42.back and I think that's probably why I may decide to go to Hillary more

:28:43. > :28:51.29 times the number of delegates, which is three...

:28:52. > :28:53.What they are choosing here is how many delegates

:28:54. > :28:58.The maths is complicated but the ratio is weighted in favour

:28:59. > :29:05.This ends with Hillary on two, Bernie on one.

:29:06. > :29:08.The highest number yes, the delegates.

:29:09. > :29:13.Oh my gosh, it is great to be here with all of you.

:29:14. > :29:20.I am so thrilled that I'm coming to New Hampshire after winning Iowa!

:29:21. > :29:25.What Iowa has begun tonight is a political revolution.

:29:26. > :29:35.The Clinton-Sanders contest was the closest in the history

:29:36. > :29:38.of the Democrat caucus in Iowa, a cigarette paper-thin margin

:29:39. > :29:45.which will make many see Bernie Sanders in a new light.

:29:46. > :29:48.The Vermont Senator who grew up in Brooklyn and calls himself

:29:49. > :29:53.socialist is now the unlikely hero of the left across America.

:29:54. > :29:54.Anti-big business, pro environment, and passionate

:29:55. > :30:04.Think Jeremy Corbyn with a New York absent.

:30:05. > :30:08.I think it is the sense of pulling apart that's happening on both sides

:30:09. > :30:10.of the political spectrum in America, where it feels

:30:11. > :30:13.like people are increasingly gravitating towards the extreme

:30:14. > :30:17.polls of the right and the left and the centre is hollowing out.

:30:18. > :30:20.For Democrats it is a return to the '60s and '70s-style

:30:21. > :30:22.radicalism, a rejection of the centrism and triangulation

:30:23. > :30:28.that both Clintons have always represented.

:30:29. > :30:31.And a desire to really be more muscular in their liberal socialist

:30:32. > :30:37.What he's doing is opening up a race that many felt had become

:30:38. > :30:43.Hillary Clinton seems unassailable, unstoppable.

:30:44. > :30:45.There are those in the party even who liked here who worried

:30:46. > :30:48.about a path to the nomination that looked unchallenged.

:30:49. > :30:50.The Clinton machine has been spooked by this.

:30:51. > :31:10.White vote, the activist vote and the young vote on the left. He

:31:11. > :31:15.won... This morning Clinton admitted she had to do better with new and

:31:16. > :31:21.younger voters. Bernie Sanders now calling for a release of the raw

:31:22. > :31:26.vote count in Iowa says his rise is a sign that voters want change. But

:31:27. > :31:30.they might be flirting with him at this stage, confident that Hillary

:31:31. > :31:35.will get the nomination, and seeings what it feels like to dip their toes

:31:36. > :31:40.into the icy waters of real radicalism. Let's examine some of

:31:41. > :31:54.those issues more deeply. Would you see that a.3% finish as a

:31:55. > :31:59.win for Bernie Sanders? A tie is as good as a win when you are the

:32:00. > :32:02.underdog the way he's been. This was Hillary Clinton's state to lose.

:32:03. > :32:04.Even though she didn't technically lose it

:32:05. > :32:13.He calls himself a socialist. What does that mean for people in

:32:14. > :32:19.America? Well, it is much more of an epithet than your viewers are

:32:20. > :32:21.accustomed to. He's been an independent Senator, not

:32:22. > :32:26.traditionally a part of the Democratic Party in Congress. Iowa

:32:27. > :32:30.Democrats are much more progressive, much more rebel than Democrats in

:32:31. > :32:36.the United States. This was a good state for him. A poll showed 43% of

:32:37. > :32:41.the Democratic voters here did use the term socialist. But historically

:32:42. > :32:46.that's been a fight word. You spent a lot of time in Des Moines gearing

:32:47. > :32:51.up for this. You suggested this was going to be like the Hunger Games.

:32:52. > :32:57.Yes, there were 10 republicans in the field, as the vote got close ter

:32:58. > :33:03.gloves came off, the attack ads were saturated on television. Candidates

:33:04. > :33:07.who had never engaged like Ted Cruz and Donald Trump started going after

:33:08. > :33:11.each other in very insulting ways. Last night showed how that came out.

:33:12. > :33:17.If you step back from the last month and asked people what they thought

:33:18. > :33:21.would happen in Iowa, they would probably have said Hillary would win

:33:22. > :33:29.and Ted Cruz would win. Does that mean all the fury and the polling

:33:30. > :33:33.has been for nothing? Ted Cruz got the evangelicals and Hillary the

:33:34. > :33:37.Democratic vote. Most of the money yesterday before the voting was on

:33:38. > :33:42.Donald Trump, who was having a surge in the polls, and on Hillary, who

:33:43. > :33:46.seemed to have a three or 4 point advantage. The results showed the

:33:47. > :33:50.vulnerability and the unpredictability and unreliability,

:33:51. > :33:56.excuse me, of polls these days. Dramatic results on both sides. If

:33:57. > :34:01.we take this forward now, looking at the Democrats race first of all,

:34:02. > :34:06.this idea that Bernie Sanders is fresh blood in the race, if you

:34:07. > :34:09.like. He is somebody that people haven't really seen before. I

:34:10. > :34:12.described it as people dipping their toes into radicalism for the first

:34:13. > :34:17.time. Do you think there is any chance he will see this through to

:34:18. > :34:24.the end? Or do you think the next primaries will end that? He has

:34:25. > :34:32.unleashed a rush of donations. He said the average donation he he has

:34:33. > :34:35.had is $27, and he has had is $27, and he's raised $27 million a

:34:36. > :34:41.quarter. He has the money, unless he loses anywhere. This is a very

:34:42. > :34:46.hospitable playing field, idealogically New Hampshire he will

:34:47. > :34:51.do well at. It is next door to his home state of Vermont, where he is

:34:52. > :34:55.ahead in the polls. The Democratic vote will move to the south.

:34:56. > :34:58.African-American voters support Hillary Clinton now strongly and

:34:59. > :35:04.he'll have to deal with that. If you looking to the republican race, many

:35:05. > :35:09.are saying the real winner is Marco Rubio. Explain why? Iowa was an

:35:10. > :35:15.expectation game. Rubin was stuck in the polls. He came in 23% last

:35:16. > :35:19.night. Anybody who is looking nor a real alternative to Trump or a Ted

:35:20. > :35:21.Cruz, a less Conservative alternative, wants to rally around

:35:22. > :35:26.or coalesce around alternative, wants to rally around

:35:27. > :35:30.Rubin is in a position to take that role. Thank you very much indeed.

:35:31. > :35:32.Rubin is in a position to take that The next race, the

:35:33. > :35:35.Rubin is in a position to take that test will be in

:35:36. > :35:39.Rubin is in a position to take that that, it is next to Vermont. He has

:35:40. > :35:43.a home state advantage there. Perhaps the eyes will be back on to

:35:44. > :35:49.the republican race then. If Donald Trump doesn't win in New Hampshire,

:35:50. > :35:50.people will start to ask whether he becomes that 2016 footnote too.

:35:51. > :35:56.Emily. Thank you. As if to remind us why Zika

:35:57. > :35:59.was declared a world health emergency yesterday,

:36:00. > :36:01.two pieces of news as to its spread A likely case of sexual

:36:02. > :36:08.transmission in Texas - a Dallas County resident who had

:36:09. > :36:11.sexual contact with someone who acquired the Zika infection

:36:12. > :36:12.while travelling abroad. And then, in Ireland,

:36:13. > :36:15.two cases have been in found in people who've had a history

:36:16. > :36:17.of travelling in affected areas. From Oxford, I'm joined

:36:18. > :36:19.by Professor Trudie Lang, principal investigator

:36:20. > :36:21.for the Nuffield Research Centre for prevention and treatment

:36:22. > :36:31.of diseases like Ebola. It is literally a week ago on this

:36:32. > :36:37.programme we were talking about a case of apparent transmission in

:36:38. > :36:41.2008. It seemed outlandish. What do we now know or don't know about

:36:42. > :36:45.sexual transmission? I don't think we are too much further forward than

:36:46. > :36:51.last week really. So this isn't unexamined. It is not particularly

:36:52. > :36:55.surprising. All we know is that there is this apparent transmission

:36:56. > :37:00.between somebody's returned from an infected country and has passed this

:37:01. > :37:04.on through sexual contact. It is not completely confirmed, as I

:37:05. > :37:08.understand, but for us it raises more questions than it answers. We

:37:09. > :37:14.are just adding to the list of research questions we need to tackle

:37:15. > :37:17.within this rapidly emerging and quiet

:37:18. > :37:21.research questions we need to tackle within this rapidly emerging and --

:37:22. > :37:24.quiet worrying suggestion. We got into bodily fluids last week, but

:37:25. > :37:28.there's a suggestion that saliva could be a route to transmission.

:37:29. > :37:34.We've had no reports of that and we need to make it really clear that as

:37:35. > :37:38.far as... With all the information we've got and evidence that we can

:37:39. > :37:43.draw together so far, it suggests that most of the transmission occurs

:37:44. > :37:49.from mosquito bites. We know it is present in semen but remember that

:37:50. > :37:53.most people don't have any symptoms. So presumably the person who came

:37:54. > :37:58.back from the affected country was unwell, which is why he went to be

:37:59. > :38:04.tested, presumably, for Zika, and he has passed it on. We don't know if

:38:05. > :38:10.you are not symptomatic, do you have virus in your fluids? And the

:38:11. > :38:14.question of whether it is in other fluids, it's unlikely. We were

:38:15. > :38:17.fairly confident that the route of transmission is on mosquito bites.

:38:18. > :38:24.That's where the burden of disease is in the region. Right, these cases

:38:25. > :38:29.this evening put the focus on transmission outside what we call

:38:30. > :38:33.the affected areas. Are we quite sure that mosquitoes that exist in,

:38:34. > :38:38.say, in Britain or the British Isles, are we quite sure they would

:38:39. > :38:43.not transmit the virus? We are fairly sure. This is an emerging

:38:44. > :38:51.situation and we need research. This is, as we are saying over and over

:38:52. > :38:55.again, we know that the Aedes mosquito that carries dengue and

:38:56. > :39:01.other diseases occurs in tropical climate. There is no suggestion that

:39:02. > :39:07.it can be transmitted by mosquitoes in the UK or colder climate. There

:39:08. > :39:12.is no evidence to support that. Do we have any knowledge as to how long

:39:13. > :39:17.it lurks in the body? If somebody travelled to Brazil, they come back,

:39:18. > :39:20.they don't want sexual contact with a partner who may potentially be

:39:21. > :39:26.becoming pregnant. How long do they need to wait? We simply don't know.

:39:27. > :39:30.This is why we need a co-operative international research effort to

:39:31. > :39:40.address all these questions. Because there's so many unknowns, still to

:39:41. > :39:46.prove the link with microcephaly and to work on vaccines and drugs to

:39:47. > :39:49.cure this disease. Briefly, the Olympics. It is hard to think this

:39:50. > :39:52.wouldn't have an affect on the willingness of people to travel

:39:53. > :39:58.there. I suppose there's two hopeful elements. One, the climate in Brazil

:39:59. > :40:03.is less favourable toll the Aedes mosquito at that time of year. And

:40:04. > :40:07.also that efforts to reduce the mosquito population might have

:40:08. > :40:12.kicked in. And we may have, the best case scenario is that the epidemic

:40:13. > :40:18.works its way through. But we just need to wait and see. All the travel

:40:19. > :40:23.advice out there already is very sensible. It should help guide

:40:24. > :40:25.people. Professor, thank you very much indeed.

:40:26. > :40:28.Before we move on - a quick look at the papers' reaction

:40:29. > :40:41.It is not going to make great reading for the Prime Minister. The

:40:42. > :40:46.great delusion, says the Daily Mail. The Times says Brussels will have

:40:47. > :40:52.right to reject benefit curbs. And backlash against watered down

:40:53. > :41:00.referendum deal. Financial Times, Cameron faces battle to sell EU deal

:41:01. > :41:05.to sceptical Tory MPs. The Daily Telegraph, Ministers to defy PM on

:41:06. > :41:10.Europe. None of these are looking good for him. The Guardian has one

:41:11. > :41:17.more encouraging for the Prime Minister. Cameron wins May's

:41:18. > :41:26.backing. And Dad's Army deal turns to farce. Who do EU think you are

:41:27. > :41:28.kidding Mr Cameron? Caves in over benefits, brake on laws.

:41:29. > :41:32.We leave you with some rather sinister social media cartoons

:41:33. > :41:35.created by the All-Russia People's Front, the ONF.

:41:36. > :41:39.The cartoons are allegedly part of an anti-corruption drive,

:41:40. > :41:42.and show various Russian public figures being killed

:41:43. > :41:45.by the Russian President in ways befitting their supposed offences.

:41:46. > :41:47.What makes it so disturbing is that the founder

:41:48. > :41:54.of the All Russia People's Front IS President Putin.