:00:00. > :00:17.Is the Syrian ceasefire no more than smoke and mirrors?
:00:18. > :00:24.We have an exclusive interview with a key opposition leader.
:00:25. > :00:27.We'll discuss how all this squares with Assad's boast that he'll retake
:00:28. > :00:33.As the people's bank tries to hatch entrepreneurs,
:00:34. > :00:37.RBS's chief executive warns that the possibility of a Brexit
:00:38. > :00:43.is already taking its toll on business.
:00:44. > :00:50.I think the issue we've got is just the uncertainty. It might slow
:00:51. > :00:52.business is down and over time slowdown banking as well.
:00:53. > :00:54.And in this week's Artsnight, museum director Maria Balshaw looks
:00:55. > :01:06.A woman is still deemed to be representative of her whole gender.
:01:07. > :01:09.So if she's a failure then we're all failures. However, if she's a
:01:10. > :01:11.success, she is the exception that proves the rule. And I don't know
:01:12. > :01:17.how you change that. The definition of a ceasefire
:01:18. > :01:21.is "the temporary suspension of fighting", and the word has been
:01:22. > :01:26.sprayed around like confetti today, even though it is unclear whether it
:01:27. > :01:29.will be maintained on the ground and doesn't even apply to many
:01:30. > :01:33.who are fighting in Syria. And all the while Bashar al-Assad
:01:34. > :01:36.is insisting that he will return the whole of the country
:01:37. > :01:39.to his control. So, the cessation in a week's time,
:01:40. > :01:44.vaunted by major powers in Munich, will not necessarily move
:01:45. > :01:46.the resolution of the conflict Here's our Diplomatic
:01:47. > :02:00.Editor, Mark Urban. The world's decision-makers had
:02:01. > :02:07.assembled in Munich for a security conference. After long hours of
:02:08. > :02:12.negotiations late into the night they announced a deal. 17 states and
:02:13. > :02:16.three international organisations signed off on it, but in essence
:02:17. > :02:23.it's a Russian and American plan. Our work today, while it has
:02:24. > :02:30.produced commitments on paper, I want to restate that the real test
:02:31. > :02:35.is clearly whether or not all the parties on those commitments and
:02:36. > :02:38.implement them in reality. The agreement sets up an international
:02:39. > :02:45.humanitarian task force, lists places where aid needs to go now,
:02:46. > :02:50.notes that humanitarian access should not benefit any particular
:02:51. > :02:55.group over any other. It calls for a cessation of hostilities in one
:02:56. > :02:58.week's time. The 19th of February. With another task force to agree the
:02:59. > :03:04.boundaries of who holds what territory in Syria. And then the
:03:05. > :03:09.resumption of peace talks as soon as possible, in Geneva, the 25th of
:03:10. > :03:14.February is the hoped-for date, we here. Does this provide a real hope
:03:15. > :03:17.for peace? Earlier I spoke exclusively to the leader of Syria's
:03:18. > :03:52.opposition umbrella group. The battle for Aleppo continued
:03:53. > :03:56.today, with the Syrian army warning of imminent further assaults and its
:03:57. > :04:00.leader bullish after recent successes.
:04:01. > :04:05.TRANSLATION: If we negotiate it does not mean that we will stop fighting
:04:06. > :04:09.terrorism. Two tracks are negotiating -- expect inevitable in
:04:10. > :04:13.Syria, through negotiation and through fighting terrorism. And the
:04:14. > :04:18.two tracks asked about from each other. As for the president himself,
:04:19. > :04:22.his future is central to the political transition envisaged in
:04:23. > :04:25.today's agreement. But even if the Americans now see Assad staying on
:04:26. > :05:00.for a while, the opposition insists he cannot.
:05:01. > :05:09.The Assad regime is offensive, backed by the Russians from the air,
:05:10. > :05:12.spearheaded by uranium and other volunteers on the ground, began
:05:13. > :05:22.getting real traction three months ago, south-east of Aleppo. Earlier
:05:23. > :05:30.this year, rebels were driven back in the rebel heartland. Under
:05:31. > :05:39.today's deal, the Al-Qaeda linked front and Islamic State will still
:05:40. > :05:43.be attacked, but will more moderate groups the too? They've got the
:05:44. > :05:45.potential for a very important breakthrough but it all depends now
:05:46. > :05:50.on the behaviour of the Russians. If the Russians carry on bombing the
:05:51. > :05:54.moderate opposition this will not be the outcome we want. So today aims
:05:55. > :05:58.for a ceasefire but only between certain people. Even if it works,
:05:59. > :06:06.Russia, America and others will still be taking aim at the Islamic
:06:07. > :06:10.State and others. The Syrian groups are not actually party did today's
:06:11. > :06:16.agreement. Instead, those who did sign are meant to deliver them.
:06:17. > :06:24.Iraqi and Russia -- Iran and Russia, the Assad government and the US and
:06:25. > :06:27.Gulf states and various opposition groups. Talking to opposition
:06:28. > :06:50.leaders it is apparently already resent that.
:06:51. > :06:59.As Munich ends, there is a sober realisation that this will be very
:07:00. > :07:04.tough, but they are already working on speeding up humanitarian aid to
:07:05. > :07:07.besieged communities, and that at least could be something.
:07:08. > :07:11.Joining me to discuss this from Munich, where the deal
:07:12. > :07:14.is being struck, is Andrey Kortunov, Director General of the Moscow-based
:07:15. > :07:18.Russian International Affairs Council and here with me
:07:19. > :07:21.is columnist and author Anne Applebaum.
:07:22. > :07:30.Good evening to you both. First of all, how could this possibly work if
:07:31. > :07:38.Russia continues to bomb Aleppo? Our Defence Secretary today said that
:07:39. > :07:42.Aleppo will be the new Sarajevo. I think it can only work if the two
:07:43. > :07:46.sides agree on how they define terrorism and terrorist
:07:47. > :07:50.organisations. They should look at the lists, they should compare the
:07:51. > :07:55.lists, and they should find a common to nominate. Because definitely
:07:56. > :08:00.until it is done, the hostilities will continue and it would be very
:08:01. > :08:07.difficult to maintain a ceasefire. Unfortunately because you couldn't
:08:08. > :08:10.see the translation, basically the opposition leader was saying that
:08:11. > :08:11.this ceasefire has simply been designed to preserve Russian and
:08:12. > :08:25.uranium -- preserve Russian and Iranian
:08:26. > :08:28.games. I think the situation on the ground might change. I don't think
:08:29. > :08:35.there is a military solution to the problem. I think that for the time
:08:36. > :08:42.being indeed the Syrian army has accomplished something but it can be
:08:43. > :08:48.reversed, especially if there is an inflow of support from places like
:08:49. > :08:53.Saudi Arabia or Turkey, not to mention the potential Turkish direct
:08:54. > :09:02.intervention into Syria. So, do you think this is designed simply to
:09:03. > :09:06.sort out the situation or two -- to preserve Russia's position? I will
:09:07. > :09:12.give the people participating in the conversation credit for saying it is
:09:13. > :09:15.designed to get humanitarian aid into a desperate situation. But I
:09:16. > :09:20.think we should all be clear about what Russia is trying to do. The
:09:21. > :09:23.object of Russia and Assad is to create a situation where there are
:09:24. > :09:28.only two sides, the regime and the terrorists. They identify everyone
:09:29. > :09:31.who is not the regime as terrorists. Their bombing campaign in Syria for
:09:32. > :09:35.the last several months has been exactly that. They have been allowed
:09:36. > :09:42.to do this presumably because America has abdicated its
:09:43. > :09:45.responsible at the in Syria? I would not say just America, I would say
:09:46. > :09:49.the West in general has not had a clear plan from the start of this
:09:50. > :09:54.conflict. We sort of supported some groups but we didn't really give any
:09:55. > :09:57.serious aid. We help some of the non-regime areas stay alive but we
:09:58. > :10:03.haven't really intervened and we haven't had a clear role. Let's
:10:04. > :10:11.quickly talk about Aleppo here because Isis and others operating in
:10:12. > :10:15.the area, as well as moderate opposition groups and a lot of
:10:16. > :10:20.civilians there. The fact that we have created a cessation of
:10:21. > :10:24.hostilities and allowed Russia to bomb Aleppo is very strange. If
:10:25. > :10:28.Russia is allowed to bomb Aleppo, there is no ceasefire, there is no
:10:29. > :10:38.cassation of hostilities. Do you agree with that? Well, if Russia is
:10:39. > :10:43.going to bomb the city, I think that can be regarded as a continuation of
:10:44. > :10:47.the war but I don't think this is the plan. I think the plan is to
:10:48. > :10:54.have a ceasefire that would include Aleppo. So you're suggesting that
:10:55. > :10:58.actually the Aleppo area will not come under fire in a week's time.
:10:59. > :11:06.You are suggesting there will be a proper cessation? Well, I think that
:11:07. > :11:12.there might be some surgical strikes against terrorist groups, if indeed
:11:13. > :11:19.these terrorist groups happened to be in adjacent places. But I don't
:11:20. > :11:24.think there will be a kind of massive campaign against Aleppo, I
:11:25. > :11:29.don't see it. Let's turn to what Russia's position is on Bashar
:11:30. > :11:33.al-Assad. Is the position is not necessarily, you've said already,
:11:34. > :11:38.that he would retain control of the gain control of the country, but is
:11:39. > :11:46.Russia's position to leave Assad in power? Well, I think that the main
:11:47. > :11:50.goal of Russia, as far as I understand the main position taken
:11:51. > :11:53.by President Putin, is to preserve the Syrian statehood. Russia is
:11:54. > :11:59.emphatically against any partition of the country and it wants to
:12:00. > :12:05.maintain the democratic integrity of Syria. Right now, Assad seems to be
:12:06. > :12:09.the only person who can do that. That if there are alternatives, if
:12:10. > :12:13.there are other forces may be from moderate opposition who can do it
:12:14. > :12:17.better than Assad, I don't Inc that Russia would necessarily stick to
:12:18. > :12:25.this particular person. He's not a personal friend of Mr Putin. He is
:12:26. > :12:29.not a person who should be rescued at any cost... Sorry to interrupt, I
:12:30. > :12:34.know there is a delay... Can I just say, it is very clear to the West
:12:35. > :12:44.that it looks as if President Putin right now is shoring up President
:12:45. > :12:50.Assad? Well, I think that Putin made it very clear many times that his
:12:51. > :12:59.goal in Syria is not to protect a particular personality. His goal is
:13:00. > :13:03.to maintain the integrity of the Syrian state, to prevent it from
:13:04. > :13:07.disintegrating. The truth is this would not be happening right now at
:13:08. > :13:11.all if it wasn't for the fact that there is now a ruckus over the
:13:12. > :13:16.migrant numbers and countries don't want to take them, isn't that the
:13:17. > :13:19.case? It's true that the migrant issue has dragged Europe back into a
:13:20. > :13:23.conflict that it has been desperate to avoid and has been trying to stay
:13:24. > :13:28.out for many months and years. I think returning to point about
:13:29. > :13:32.Russia, whatever Putin does say, and he says many things at different
:13:33. > :13:37.times, it's very clear from his actions that his goal in Syria has
:13:38. > :13:41.stooped -- has been to keep Assad in power and his bombing campaign has
:13:42. > :13:47.been designed to help Assad's army. His goal and his desire to take a
:13:48. > :13:53.dictator and insert itself into the Middle East peace process so that he
:13:54. > :13:56.has a role... Absolutely, this has been his role from the very
:13:57. > :14:00.beginning. I don't think anyone who has been watching this closely has
:14:01. > :14:04.any doubt about that. What does what has been happening over the last few
:14:05. > :14:08.months say about Russia's plays in the world and its ambition to change
:14:09. > :14:13.that again? Russia was involved in this disastrous war in Ukraine.
:14:14. > :14:17.Disastrous for Russia and Ukraine. I think it was becoming clear to the
:14:18. > :14:20.Russian public that the war wasn't working out, so they decided to
:14:21. > :14:24.change the narrative. The narrative is, we're now going to become
:14:25. > :14:28.involved in Syria. There was a clear moment when he did that and that has
:14:29. > :14:31.been his goal, to become a major broker in the Middle East, somebody
:14:32. > :14:35.that nobody can ignore, so that he gets back into the role of world
:14:36. > :14:40.power which is what he wants to have. Finally, do you think this is
:14:41. > :14:42.actually a turning point? From the last five years. Is this the change
:14:43. > :14:53.that people need in Syria? I think it might be a turning point.
:14:54. > :14:58.It depends object political will on both sides and whether both sides
:14:59. > :15:04.can restore some trust. And it also depends whether they can convince
:15:05. > :15:08.their local partners and clients to support the agreement. Because no
:15:09. > :15:15.matter what Russia and the United States might do, if there is no buy
:15:16. > :15:17.in by Saudis, and Iranians, it is not likely to work. Thank you very
:15:18. > :15:20.much indeed. In the years since the Royal Bank
:15:21. > :15:23.of Scotland crashed and almost burned, the bank has tried
:15:24. > :15:25.to reposition itself as a bank And so today a hatchery
:15:26. > :15:29.opened in Edinburgh, in what was once the restricted
:15:30. > :15:31.access executive wing when the now disgraced Chief Executive Fred
:15:32. > :15:35.Goodwin was in charge. The Hatchery, for entrepreneurs
:15:36. > :15:37.rather than chickens, offers free office facilities
:15:38. > :15:39.and mentoring and collaborating with bank staff for up to eighty
:15:40. > :15:41.businesses every six months, and the project Entreprenurial Spark
:15:42. > :15:59.will be stitched into the fabric Royal Bank of Scotland was
:16:00. > :16:05.Scotland's bank when it became the world's. At one point it was not
:16:06. > :16:12.only the world's biggest bank, but its biggest company. Then the most
:16:13. > :16:17.exposed of British banks, RBS crashed. The purchase of a Dutch
:16:18. > :16:24.bank turned out to be a disaster trousers overreach. -- disastrous
:16:25. > :16:29.overreach. It is a nightmare for Wall Street. When in 2008 the
:16:30. > :16:36.financial world came toppling down, the bank was bailed out and
:16:37. > :16:40.nationalised by the then Chancellor, costing the British taxpayer some
:16:41. > :16:45.?45 billion. Last year the Chancellor began the process of
:16:46. > :16:50.reprivatisation, selling 5% of the shares. Below the cost price at
:16:51. > :16:56.which the Government bought them. It is the right thing to do for British
:16:57. > :17:01.businesses and taxpayers. We may get a lower price, but we will get the
:17:02. > :17:07.best possible price. Now that looks shrewd. Over the last 12 months
:17:08. > :17:12.their share price has fallen by 45%. The price today is 220 pence a
:17:13. > :17:20.share. It is up to the Chief Executive Ross McKeown to try to
:17:21. > :17:24.steady the ship and prepare it for a proper return to the private sector.
:17:25. > :17:28.Nurturing a new generation of entrepreneurs in the heart of their
:17:29. > :17:34.HQ is a signal that the bank wants us to take that the atmosphere is
:17:35. > :17:40.different. This was part of the executive wing, it was a restricted
:17:41. > :17:45.area for only certain people. Now you have entrepreneurs, 80 are here,
:17:46. > :17:50.young or older entrepreneurs, growing businesses again in
:17:51. > :17:54.Scotland. This looks good for the Royal Bank of Scotland, but no one
:17:55. > :18:03.knows the share price more than you at today it is 224, so it has lost
:18:04. > :18:10.45% on your watch last last year. That is no at good position. No,
:18:11. > :18:14.you're seeing all banking stocks across the world, the prices have
:18:15. > :18:18.come down. This time around quite similar to the last time the market
:18:19. > :18:22.collapsed, we are drifting with the market place. So you're in the hands
:18:23. > :18:27.of market place, when you said last year that you were confident that we
:18:28. > :18:32.would all get our money back in three year, you're having to revise
:18:33. > :18:36.that? The markets go down as we are seeing today, they also go up and we
:18:37. > :18:41.will wait and see. The Government's aim was to get out 75% of their
:18:42. > :18:45.shareholding in this term of government. It makes it much more
:18:46. > :18:53.difficult when the markets are like this. But that is in the Treasury's
:18:54. > :18:57.hands. It looks like they will be in the red for the eighth year. How do
:18:58. > :19:02.you feel about that It is clear we will be in the red given the
:19:03. > :19:08.decisions that we made a month ago. We said 2014 was a year when we
:19:09. > :19:13.would restructure and get the business into the customer groupings
:19:14. > :19:20.and rebuild capital. Phase two is 2016 and our aim is to take, get rid
:19:21. > :19:24.as much of the conduct and litigation issues that have plagued
:19:25. > :19:33.the organisation and the heavy costs. So it does put you in a
:19:34. > :19:37.position of making losses. But Joe public, ?45 billion, they won't get
:19:38. > :19:41.their money back at this rate? No, but can I go back to why 45 billion
:19:42. > :19:47.was put into the bank, because this is important. We would love to get
:19:48. > :19:51.that money back to the public. But at the time, if they hadn't saved
:19:52. > :19:56.the Royal Bank of Scotland, a lot of financial services in the UK would
:19:57. > :20:00.probably have collapsed. Because a fair number of transactions go thus
:20:01. > :20:05.this bank and if you let that drop it would have been a catastrophe for
:20:06. > :20:09.the public and the economy. The decision was the right decision. Now
:20:10. > :20:16.Europe, do you think the British sector will be better or worse off
:20:17. > :20:22.outside the EU? I think, I haven't seen any economic data that says we
:20:23. > :20:26.would be better off outside in the short to medium term. Let's go back
:20:27. > :20:30.too the facts, in the short to medium term. There is a lot of
:20:31. > :20:35.uncertainty, what does it mean to come out of Europe as well? The
:20:36. > :20:40.issue we have got is the uncertainty that will slow businesses down and
:20:41. > :20:43.will over time I think slow down banking, it is the uncertainty. It
:20:44. > :20:50.is good that the Government's trying to get to a point of having the vote
:20:51. > :20:56.quickly. Because it is the uncertainty. I haven't seen any data
:20:57. > :21:00.that says it is a good thing. RBS has said that economic growth is
:21:01. > :21:05.being undermined by uncertainty over the EU vote. It is clear. We saw
:21:06. > :21:09.that under the, with the Scottish referendum. When you go through
:21:10. > :21:11.these times, businesses stop making the decisions that they would
:21:12. > :21:16.normally make, because of the uncertainty. That is why it is
:21:17. > :21:19.important that the Government does move on quickly with they can get it
:21:20. > :21:25.in June, I think it would be better than having it later. On interest
:21:26. > :21:31.rates, do you think the Fed was wrong to jump ahead and raise the
:21:32. > :21:35.rate? I think the Fed saw the US was starting to grow and they wanted to
:21:36. > :21:39.make sure that inflation stayed that way. They have got great economics
:21:40. > :21:44.and analysts doing the work on their... I will leave them to make
:21:45. > :21:50.their calls. I would say we are going to be lower interest rates for
:21:51. > :21:54.a lot longer than anticipated. Any talk of an interest rate rise, it is
:21:55. > :21:58.not going to happen this year. I don't think this year and possibly
:21:59. > :22:03.into all of 17. We have to get used to an environment with low interest
:22:04. > :22:08.rates for a long period of time. Finally on that, do you think people
:22:09. > :22:16.in this country will ever like bankers again? A number of people do
:22:17. > :22:22.like them, but banks' reputations got tarnished because of what
:22:23. > :22:27.happened and the consequence it had on people. They never want that to
:22:28. > :22:32.happen again. Banks and bankers have still a long way to go to rebuild
:22:33. > :22:34.that trust and it is done with every interaction every day. Thank you
:22:35. > :22:37.very much indeed. Ross McEwan says that low interest
:22:38. > :22:40.rates are here to stay perhaps even beyond next year, but there's
:22:41. > :22:43.another scenario being talked about right now,
:22:44. > :22:44.negative interest rates. Our Policy Editor
:22:45. > :22:55.Chris Cook is here. What actually are negative interest
:22:56. > :23:00.rates and how do they impact? You're familiar with the idea of interest
:23:01. > :23:04.rates and central banks cut interest rates and that cuts the amount
:23:05. > :23:09.savers get when they keep their money in banks and cuts the cost of
:23:10. > :23:14.borrowing for investors or mortgage holders. The idea of negative
:23:15. > :23:24.interest rates are we have come down to zero interest and central banks
:23:25. > :23:29.have gone down as low as they can. We have tried quantitative easing,
:23:30. > :23:33.to reduce the amount that savers get and the amount, the cost of
:23:34. > :23:38.borrowing further. This goes beyond that and they would say to banks, if
:23:39. > :23:43.you have money sitting on your balance sheet that is uninvested we
:23:44. > :23:50.will fine you for having that. Capital reserve though? Not capital,
:23:51. > :23:55.the money they have that is uninvested. So the idea is banks
:23:56. > :24:00.would feel that it is what they have to do is get money out and lend. So
:24:01. > :24:05.the effect would be what? It depends how far and how fast they go. It has
:24:06. > :24:09.been talked about in the United States and things tend to travel in
:24:10. > :24:13.banking. Nothing affects one country alone. What would happen would
:24:14. > :24:18.defend on how far we went. It could be that things are as they are now,
:24:19. > :24:22.but a bank would be desperate to lend to you or you could have a
:24:23. > :24:26.situation where banks were so desperate to lend that theltd pay
:24:27. > :24:31.you -- they would pay you to take money. Here is ?100, give us 90 quid
:24:32. > :24:35.next year. Thank you. From Aphrodite to Marilyn,
:24:36. > :24:38.the image of the femme fatale has Those are the two emotions strongly
:24:39. > :24:46.associated with a John Singer Sargent painting that is merely
:24:47. > :24:49.known by the title Madame X. The extreme reactions it caused
:24:50. > :24:52.on first showing in 1884 have inspired a new ballet
:24:53. > :24:53.by Christopher Wheeldon, Strapless - which is being performed
:24:54. > :24:56.for the first time tonight Katie Razzall has been exploring how
:24:57. > :25:00.a 19th Century picture has It just seemed there must have
:25:01. > :25:14.been a story behind her. The scandal of this picture
:25:15. > :25:27.was so much that I don't think In a studio at London's Royal Opera
:25:28. > :25:35.House, two of the company's finest It's the latest creation
:25:36. > :25:42.of choreographer extraordinary, Inspired by the story
:25:43. > :25:49.of Amelie Gautreau, a young American It is this great story of the rise
:25:50. > :25:59.and fall of this great We always look for in story
:26:00. > :26:04.ballets quite large-sized And in this case downfall
:26:05. > :26:12.and the shunning of this This painting of Amelie Gautreau,
:26:13. > :26:20.by John Singer Sargent caused her downfall,
:26:21. > :26:23.though it is difficult these days to understand what all
:26:24. > :26:26.the fuss was about. Wheeldon fell in love
:26:27. > :26:29.with the picture on visits But when its American creator
:26:30. > :26:35.exhibited it at the Paris Salon At that time, his portrait
:26:36. > :26:42.showed Amelie with one dress strap falling
:26:43. > :26:45.from her shoulder. An earlier study at Tate Britain
:26:46. > :26:47.shows Amelie's right She had bare shoulders
:26:48. > :26:52.with this plunging cleavage, so it hints at nudity,
:26:53. > :26:55.without actually showing her naked There were lots of nudes in these
:26:56. > :27:13.Salons, so why did a picture that was not of someone
:27:14. > :27:15.naked cause such scandal? These were representations
:27:16. > :27:16.of historical or mythological characters,
:27:17. > :27:21.such as Diana or Venus. What was scandalous about this
:27:22. > :27:24.picture was that it was a portrait of a recognisable individual
:27:25. > :27:26.and the suggestion is through the dress that it is sort
:27:27. > :27:31.of slipping off her. She must have been perched
:27:32. > :27:35.on the precipice a little bit. And this painting gave society just
:27:36. > :27:44.an excuse to push her. That story of a woman
:27:45. > :27:47.from high society humiliated and shunned is now
:27:48. > :27:50.the centre piece of a triple bill of Wheeldon's work getting its world
:27:51. > :28:15.premiere at Covent Garden. This is Wheeldon's eighth creation
:28:16. > :28:18.for the Royal Ballet and he is back You have worked together before,
:28:19. > :28:27.how is it to be back together? Narrative ballet, telling
:28:28. > :28:37.a story, is just as much Wheeldon's How do you tell what's
:28:38. > :28:45.really more like a That is the sort of
:28:46. > :28:59.skill of it, I guess. Chris knows how to somehow get that
:29:00. > :29:03.character across through There is only a certain
:29:04. > :29:10.set of moves and there But just a shoulder
:29:11. > :29:14.change or an angle of a head or the way you phrase
:29:15. > :29:18.something can say a lot about that character's situation without sort
:29:19. > :29:23.of bending the rules too much. It is quite, it is
:29:24. > :29:25.an interesting thing for us to do as well,
:29:26. > :29:28.without changing any steps you can Decades later Sargent
:29:29. > :29:37.called the finished painting of her his finest work
:29:38. > :29:41.and in 1884, it stayed on the Salon wall in Paris,
:29:42. > :29:46.despite her humiliation. The scandal of this picture
:29:47. > :29:49.permeated so much through high society, I don't think
:29:50. > :29:51.she ever got over it. People always associated her
:29:52. > :29:52.with this particular She begged him to remove it
:29:53. > :30:00.from the Salon and he refused. I think he really did
:30:01. > :30:04.believe in the painting. But eventually he took it
:30:05. > :30:07.away and he painted, In the long-term this
:30:08. > :30:12.established his reputation as an artist who broke boundaries,
:30:13. > :30:15.who broke convention. And in fact when he moved
:30:16. > :30:18.to London, people flocked to his studio
:30:19. > :30:21.to have their portraits painted. It was a great scandal
:30:22. > :30:24.for him, but he, you know he left Paris, she was the one
:30:25. > :30:27.that really suffered. That's not the first
:30:28. > :30:29.time that's happened. No, unfortunately
:30:30. > :30:34.it's a man's world. Do you see parallels
:30:35. > :30:37.to now with her story? Yes, absolutely, we love to build
:30:38. > :30:41.celebrities up and then we sort of also rather relish
:30:42. > :30:45.in tearing them down. I do think we still as
:30:46. > :31:09.human beings take some Tomorrow morning's front-pages The
:31:10. > :31:15.Independent, refugees terrorised by far right militia and Independent is
:31:16. > :31:21.going to be digital after March. The financial times, banks fight to
:31:22. > :31:32.regain confidence. Daily Telegraph Facebook fights to find poor NHS
:31:33. > :31:42.care. And Guardian, plan for Islamist terrorist. And at the
:31:43. > :31:47.bottom, the guilt of killers, the mother of a killer from America. And
:31:48. > :31:50.an interview is on Newsnight. This week's presenter is museum
:31:51. > :31:53.director Maria Balshaw. She wants to explore continuing
:31:54. > :31:55.gender inequality in the arts and she talks to artist Sarah Lucas
:31:56. > :31:58.and double Oscar-winner Glenda Jackson, who today announced
:31:59. > :32:01.that she is returning to the stage