:00:00. > :00:00.Tonight, was a Scotland Yard detective taken off the case
:00:07. > :00:12.because he wanted to talk to a government minister?
:00:13. > :00:15.I have been 34-and-a-half years in the Met police.
:00:16. > :00:18.I am immensely proud to have been a police officer and to have been
:00:19. > :00:24.This is the one period in my career which just troubles me greatly.
:00:25. > :00:27.For 18 months we've been investigating what went wrong
:00:28. > :00:30.when this policeman was trying to discover the truth
:00:31. > :00:33.about allegations of widespread abuse in south
:00:34. > :00:41.Clive had been suspended from the case, the investigation,
:00:42. > :00:44.he was going to be disciplined, he had been interviewed
:00:45. > :00:49.and they found he had nothing and to all intents and purposes
:00:50. > :00:53.the matter should be regarded as completely closed.
:00:54. > :00:56.What does this case reveal about the sensitivities that arise
:00:57. > :01:02.Also tonight, the US Presidential Primaries
:01:03. > :01:11.The Republican Party machine is looking for salvation.
:01:12. > :01:13.They are currently grappling with what psychologists might call
:01:14. > :01:16.the five stages of grief, somewhere between denial that Trump
:01:17. > :01:19.is going to win the nomination, and acceptance that it is all going
:01:20. > :01:22.to end up like that, comes the fightback.
:01:23. > :01:26.They want to know if he is stoppable and what the nuclear options
:01:27. > :01:40.Over the last few years, few subjects have caused as much
:01:41. > :01:43.controversy as the investigations into historic cases of child abuse.
:01:44. > :01:46.The issue is a minefield for survivors, for police and,
:01:47. > :01:51.Over time, rumours become reality and facts are too easily
:01:52. > :01:57.How do you disentangle all this to find the truth?
:01:58. > :02:01.That is what Justice Goddard has set herself up to do in a public inquiry
:02:02. > :02:04.that gets under way this month and will last years.
:02:05. > :02:07.She has prioritised a handful of cases that need urgent attention
:02:08. > :02:11.and one of them is the London borough of Lambeth.
:02:12. > :02:14.Unlike other stories you have heard, there is no doubt the children's
:02:15. > :02:17.homes here were infiltrated by paedophiles, a number of men have
:02:18. > :02:25.But there is a lingering feeling the police didn't uncover
:02:26. > :02:30.Tonight we set out one small part of the Lambeth story,
:02:31. > :02:32.an important episode that involves the police,
:02:33. > :02:39.Detectives had been investigating a man for child abuse
:02:40. > :02:42.and as they looked into his case, they were told the suspect seemed
:02:43. > :02:47.There was no suggestion the minister had done anything wrong.
:02:48. > :02:51.But should police talk to him to see if he could help the inquiry?
:02:52. > :02:56.In fact, Scotland Yard chose not to approach him.
:02:57. > :02:59.And that baffled some people, including one experienced
:03:00. > :03:07.So, did detectives make the right call?
:03:08. > :03:10.There is another important twist, because detectives weren't dealing
:03:11. > :03:15.To understand the sensitivities here we need to explain
:03:16. > :03:19.who he was and the job he held. The minister was Paul Boateng,
:03:20. > :03:23.Home Office minister in charge of the police,
:03:24. > :03:27.a man who'd made his name as a lawyer criticising the Met.
:03:28. > :03:29.Over the last 18 months, we've approached all the key people
:03:30. > :03:32.in this saga, including Lord Boateng himself.
:03:33. > :03:35.But this film doesn't draw conclusions.
:03:36. > :03:38.It asks questions, questions that still haven't been answered
:03:39. > :03:58.The borough of Lambeth in south London, a prime focus for the
:03:59. > :04:04.independent enquiry into child sex abuse held by justice Goddard. Her
:04:05. > :04:08.team will look at what went on in children's care homes here more than
:04:09. > :04:13.30 years ago and review decisions taken by the police that are still
:04:14. > :04:18.contentious today. Perhaps none more so than what led to the removal of
:04:19. > :04:24.an officer from a sensitive enquiry and what happened to the information
:04:25. > :04:28.he had. At the heart of this story is one fundamental issue, the an
:04:29. > :04:33.easy relationship between the police and those in power. I have been 34
:04:34. > :04:38.and a half years in the Metropolitan police service and I was immensely
:04:39. > :04:45.proud to be a police officer, but this is the one period in my career
:04:46. > :04:49.which troubles me greatly. In 1998, Clive Driscoll was a detective
:04:50. > :04:54.working on a delicate case. Police in Liverpool had arrested a man
:04:55. > :05:00.called John Carroll. He was accused of offences in Liverpool and
:05:01. > :05:04.Lambeth. He had been the manager of children's care home in Lambeth and
:05:05. > :05:09.Driscoll's job was to pick up the London end of the inquiry. Was there
:05:10. > :05:14.more to follow up? He thought there was. Among several potential
:05:15. > :05:19.witnesses he wanted to talk to was this man, Paul Boateng, a rising
:05:20. > :05:24.star in Tony player's government. Approaching any minister would have
:05:25. > :05:27.been awkward, but speaking to Boateng would have been particularly
:05:28. > :05:33.so, he had just been appointed minister in charge of the police.
:05:34. > :05:37.Newsnight has spent 18 months investigating what happened in this
:05:38. > :05:43.borough back then and one thing is for sure. It is as controversial now
:05:44. > :05:50.as it ever was. This story begins with Driscoll's investigation,
:05:51. > :05:57.Operation Trawler. The prime focus of his enquiries where this man,
:05:58. > :06:01.John Carroll, who would plead guilty to charges of indecent assault and
:06:02. > :06:07.burglary of young boys in the 1970s and 80s. He was sentenced to ten
:06:08. > :06:11.years in jail. Police in London continued to look into his past,
:06:12. > :06:15.they wanted to be sure the full extent of his abuse in Lambeth care
:06:16. > :06:20.homes had been uncovered. It was becoming clear there were still
:06:21. > :06:26.people who might be able to shed light on his activities. Driscoll
:06:27. > :06:37.investigated through the autumn of 1998. These confidential
:06:38. > :06:40.papers record the work he was undertaking. Driscoll was told
:06:41. > :06:42.Carroll like to get among well-known people in the local community,
:06:43. > :06:44.dignitaries, police officers, councillors. Two witnesses mentioned
:06:45. > :06:49.the name of one particularly prominent individual he had met in
:06:50. > :06:54.this way. We have spoken to both of them. One was a former social worker
:06:55. > :07:01.who had worked under Carroll at the Angel Road care home. Her name was
:07:02. > :07:05.Teresa Johnson. Her identity has never been revealed before. She told
:07:06. > :07:11.us she had seen many visitors come and go from the home. One of them
:07:12. > :07:15.she says was Paul Boateng. She says she saw him on up to six occasions
:07:16. > :07:26.and once spoke to him in the reception area. By the office there
:07:27. > :07:32.was a table with visitorsbook and everybody who comes into our home
:07:33. > :07:38.has to sign the book. I said, excuse me, can you sign the visitors' book?
:07:39. > :07:45.And he signed it. You saw his name in there? Yes. The second person who
:07:46. > :07:50.had spoken to Driscoll was a youth worker from a local charity which
:07:51. > :07:56.ran annual caravan holidays for people in care. He told us John
:07:57. > :08:00.Carroll attended these camps and he remembered many local dignitaries
:08:01. > :08:05.visiting or helping out. One of them he says was Paul Boateng. John
:08:06. > :08:10.Carroll would regularly talk about him being able to open doors for
:08:11. > :08:15.him. John Carroll believed he should have been someone far more
:08:16. > :08:22.significant. From your own recollections, you saw John Carroll
:08:23. > :08:28.with this man? Definitely. On how many occasions? Quite a few. There
:08:29. > :08:34.was a third piece of information in Driscoll's files. In the mid-19 80s
:08:35. > :08:39.John Carroll attempted to foster children. Lambeth supported this,
:08:40. > :08:44.but needed the neighbouring borough, Southwark, two second it. They
:08:45. > :08:49.refused. They discovered Carroll already had a conviction for child
:08:50. > :08:53.abuse dating back to the 1960s. Southwark couldn't believe Lambeth
:08:54. > :08:58.Council did not know about this and had not sacked him. Newsnight has
:08:59. > :09:03.been told the decision provoked a bitter row between the two Council.
:09:04. > :09:08.We have been told a few days later the official who took the decision
:09:09. > :09:12.to block the application received a phone call from a man who identified
:09:13. > :09:16.himself as Paul Boateng, although the official could not be sure it
:09:17. > :09:21.was him. The caller had asked him if there was anything he could do to
:09:22. > :09:26.help resolve the row around Carroll's posturing. The offer was
:09:27. > :09:31.not taken up. There is no suggestion they were aware of Carroll's
:09:32. > :09:35.previous conviction. Driscoll told colleagues he needed to talk to Paul
:09:36. > :09:46.Boateng in case he could shed light on Carol's activities. Then to his
:09:47. > :09:51.astonishment he was axed. One of those who knew Driscoll was about to
:09:52. > :09:56.approach Boateng was a senior Lambeth official, Nigel Goldie. But
:09:57. > :10:00.Goldie thought the detective had told too many people about his
:10:01. > :10:06.plans. He said he raised his concerns within Lambeth Council.
:10:07. > :10:12.Within days, Goldie had been spoken to by another police officer called
:10:13. > :10:17.Richard da Genie. He said he told him to forget about Driscoll and his
:10:18. > :10:22.Leeds. Clive had been suspended from the investigation and he was going
:10:23. > :10:27.to be disciplined. He had been interviewed and they found he had
:10:28. > :10:31.nothing and that to all intents and purposes the matter should be
:10:32. > :10:37.regarded as completely closed. Nothing more was going to be done
:10:38. > :10:45.about it. It should be left and I should not speak to anyone about it,
:10:46. > :10:51.were you surprised he had been removed? I was surprised, I was not
:10:52. > :10:58.expecting that kind of drastic action. Driscoll is also bemused.
:10:59. > :11:01.For him any claim that the product of his investigation had come to
:11:02. > :11:09.nothing did not make sense. He said he had not told anyone who he wanted
:11:10. > :11:16.to speak to or why. Did Driscoll get what he deserved, or was this a good
:11:17. > :11:22.excuse to get him out before he stirred up a political Hornets'
:11:23. > :11:27.nest? A secret internal, Scotland Yard report said Driscoll committed
:11:28. > :11:29.serious indiscretions, but it also refers to the political
:11:30. > :11:35.sensitivities that resulted in his removal from Lambeth. Like many
:11:36. > :11:39.senior officers at Scotland Yard, Driscoll had his critics and he
:11:40. > :11:45.admits he can be a bit of a bull in a china shot. But the disciplinary
:11:46. > :11:51.proceedings against him were quickly drop and his career soared.
:11:52. > :12:00.The Lawrence's family's long wait for justice. Two men are found
:12:01. > :12:05.guilty. Driscoll was rated as the detective
:12:06. > :12:08.who finally brought them to justice. Baroness Doreen Lawrence describes
:12:09. > :12:16.Driscoll as an officer with integrity. Driscoll says he
:12:17. > :12:22.subsequently handed over his notebooks and documents to Dyer
:12:23. > :12:26.Genie. He says they detail the progress he was making with people
:12:27. > :12:33.to contact. It was around the time that Driscoll was removed that car
:12:34. > :12:37.Genie was asked to run a new inquiry called operation Middleton. It was
:12:38. > :12:41.on a bigger scale and as well as police now involve a team of
:12:42. > :12:47.specially trained social workers. They were known as the child abuse
:12:48. > :12:52.in Lambeth team. But operation Middleton did not pick up where
:12:53. > :12:58.Driscoll had left off. John Carroll was no longer the sole focus of the
:12:59. > :13:04.enquiry. Instead detectives were tasked with looking at allegations
:13:05. > :13:11.of child abuse across all Lambeth's children's homes going back 20
:13:12. > :13:16.years. So what happened to Driscoll's documents, his Leeds, his
:13:17. > :13:23.notebooks? That is one of the key unanswered questions. Why? Because
:13:24. > :13:27.Teresa Johnson told us she did not hear from detectives again. This
:13:28. > :13:32.left her feeling distrustful of the police. Social workers contacted her
:13:33. > :13:37.some years later as part of a general sweep of all former staff,
:13:38. > :13:42.but she told us they never asked her about the information she had given
:13:43. > :13:48.Driscoll. In our investigation we met with a dozen times. She died in
:13:49. > :13:54.September last year. The charity worker from the caravan park was not
:13:55. > :13:57.spoken to either. He too lost faith in the police. The Southwark
:13:58. > :14:03.official who took the adoption call was never contacted either. Some
:14:04. > :14:06.officers in operation Middleton had told us they were unaware of the
:14:07. > :14:14.information Driscoll had compiled, information that had justified his
:14:15. > :14:17.plan to approach the minister. One confesses that Driscoll even told
:14:18. > :14:25.him, claimed that emphatically denies.
:14:26. > :14:31.There was another strand of information presented to police.
:14:32. > :14:36.Social workers discovered a document suggesting Paul Boateng and his wife
:14:37. > :14:39.had visited the Angel Road tempo in the mid-19 80s when John Carroll was
:14:40. > :14:43.in charge. We were told the information was passed to detectives
:14:44. > :14:48.on operation Muggleton. Social workers recognised the potential
:14:49. > :14:52.sensitivities and they were told it was discussed at the highest levels
:14:53. > :15:00.of the police and the Home Office. We put this to this attempt to Eddie
:15:01. > :15:05.said was unable to clarify the sequence of events because he did
:15:06. > :15:10.not have access to computer records in relation to operation Muggleton.
:15:11. > :15:14.He said was an ongoing enquiry and it would be inappropriate to comment
:15:15. > :15:18.further. None of this suggest that Paul Boateng has done anything
:15:19. > :15:22.wrong. And the police said they have never received any complaints about
:15:23. > :15:25.him. But might he have had information that could help the
:15:26. > :15:30.police investigation? Driscoll thought so. Regardless of the
:15:31. > :15:36.sensitivities. The new enquiry did not. Met officers we spoke to deny
:15:37. > :15:41.the bottled it and describe Middleton is a gold standard
:15:42. > :15:48.enquiry. So why is this important? In operation Muggleton posmack early
:15:49. > :15:51.days officers let it be known they had 40 offenders in their sights. It
:15:52. > :15:57.emerged that 60 alleged abusers had died. Another 19 could not be
:15:58. > :15:59.identified. At the end of the four-year enquiry the police secured
:16:00. > :16:05.three convictions. Operation Muggleton's final report noted it
:16:06. > :16:08.would be unreasonable to judge the success of the operation solely on
:16:09. > :16:14.the basis of the number of successful prosecutions. So where
:16:15. > :16:18.are we now put up as we make clear, there is no evidence that Lord
:16:19. > :16:26.Boateng did anything wrong. He has told us he only became aware of
:16:27. > :16:33.officer Carol Dzagoev Carol when he was arrested. He told us that as a
:16:34. > :16:37.campaigning lawyer he acted for many young people in care and met many of
:16:38. > :16:39.the social workers and visited many use facilities in the course of his
:16:40. > :16:44.work. He did not personally know Mr Carroll and had no recollection of
:16:45. > :16:49.meeting him professionally or visiting the Angel Road or anywhere
:16:50. > :16:55.else he was present. He told us he remembered the charity that he has
:16:56. > :17:00.no recollection of visiting during the caravan holidays. And he said he
:17:01. > :17:05.did not make the call to a council official. The statement added, I
:17:06. > :17:09.would be appalled if Mr Carroll was not properly investigated and
:17:10. > :17:13.children harmed as as a result. I'm unaware how the investigation into
:17:14. > :17:16.Mr Carroll was conducted and knew nothing about the matter is under
:17:17. > :17:19.investigation. So I cannot comment on why the police did not seek my
:17:20. > :17:25.assistance in connection with this matter. I would of course have been
:17:26. > :17:27.happy to assist. Scotland Yard launched its own internal review
:17:28. > :17:33.almost three years ago. It is now being overseen by the Independent
:17:34. > :17:37.Police Complaints Commission. Now just as God has made Lambeth a
:17:38. > :17:42.priority. The questions they're looking at go to the heart of
:17:43. > :17:52.policing. Officers take us to act without fear or favour. Did they do
:17:53. > :17:56.that in this case? -- take an oath. To try to help answer the question,
:17:57. > :18:01.just as God heard turned to this man. Raymond Stevenson was a boy in
:18:02. > :18:11.one of the Lambeth care homes. 18 months ago he set up a support group
:18:12. > :18:20.for survivors. He is now seeing more than 600 members.
:18:21. > :18:25.A music producer, he directed a video to highlight the issue of
:18:26. > :18:30.child abuse in Lambeth. He believes police avoided asking awkward
:18:31. > :18:33.questions. We have four pieces of information that appear to show a
:18:34. > :18:38.link, alleged link between Paul Boateng and John Carroll. You think
:18:39. > :18:44.that he should have been spoken to by the police?
:18:45. > :18:47.I know those links you're talking about and of course he should have
:18:48. > :18:51.been spoken to. Anyone with those connecting pieces of information
:18:52. > :18:55.should be spoken to, whoever they are.
:18:56. > :18:59.John Carroll now lives in the Midlands, he declined to speak to
:19:00. > :19:06.us. Here he is with children in his care, pictures never seen before. By
:19:07. > :19:16.Tansey was charming, terrifying, manipulative. -- by Tansey was
:19:17. > :19:22.charming. Newsnight held many conflict and stories about his world
:19:23. > :19:25.and to sell it but most can agree on one thing. The story of child abuse
:19:26. > :19:31.in Lambeth and the story of John Carroll has never been fully told.
:19:32. > :19:38.Well, Jake Morris carried out that investigation with Nick and I spoke
:19:39. > :19:47.Jake, we've seen one police investigation accused of being far
:19:48. > :19:49.too credulous, in this case the suggestion is the investigation
:19:50. > :19:54.Why do you think the police have such a chequered record in these
:19:55. > :19:59.Evan, I think manny police officers would say they're dammed if they do,
:20:00. > :20:03.and dammed if they don't when it comes to these kind of inquiries.
:20:04. > :20:06.There are lots of campaigners who believe the police repeatedly
:20:07. > :20:09.failed to do their job in the 1970s and the 1980s when dealing
:20:10. > :20:14.But there are some critics of the police who feel the pendulum
:20:15. > :20:19.And officers are now being overzealous in the way
:20:20. > :20:26.As we said, this is desperately difficult territory for the police.
:20:27. > :20:29.Because many of these allegations are about events that allegedly
:20:30. > :20:38.And also because of the incendiary nature of what is being suggested.
:20:39. > :20:45.Now, given that you and Nick in the report spell out very clearly
:20:46. > :20:47.that there is no evidence that Paul Boateng, Lord Boateng,
:20:48. > :20:50.did anything wrong, why did you feel it was important to name him
:20:51. > :20:57.We thought very long and hard about this and our feeling
:20:58. > :20:59.was to fully understand this story you needed to tell the particular
:21:00. > :21:02.sensitivities around this particular minister.
:21:03. > :21:05.Therefore we needed to say what job he did, and who he was.
:21:06. > :21:08.Paul Boateng wasn't just any influential figure,
:21:09. > :21:14.he was the man who was a minister with responsibility for the police.
:21:15. > :21:17.And he was also someone who had built his reputation and come
:21:18. > :21:19.to prominence as a lawyer who was often very critical
:21:20. > :21:26.Well Justice Goddard has said she will start looking at Lambeth
:21:27. > :21:30.this month and she has outlined what she is going to be looking at.
:21:31. > :21:34.And I quote - "allegations that there was inappropriate
:21:35. > :21:36.interference in law enforcement investigations, into the sexual
:21:37. > :21:39.abuse of children in the care of the council."
:21:40. > :21:42.As we also said, the police have been looking at this for nearly
:21:43. > :21:48.But there are witnesses we have spoken to who have told us they have
:21:49. > :21:51.lost faith in this review, who do not believe it
:21:52. > :21:53.will get to the bottom of what happened in Lambeth.
:21:54. > :21:56.So I think it fair to say Justice Goddard will have her work
:21:57. > :21:59.cut out to reassure them that on this occasion she really will get
:22:00. > :22:14.That name gives it the buzz of a sporting fixture
:22:15. > :22:17.or a reality TV event, but it is the biggest day
:22:18. > :22:18.of the season of US Presidential Primaries.
:22:19. > :22:33.Emily is there as votes are cast, in Nashville, Tennessee.
:22:34. > :22:39.Good evening from Nashville, Tennessee. It is the first time the
:22:40. > :22:42.state gets to vote in Super Tuesday and the day has acquired new
:22:43. > :22:46.significance because this is the moment we find out if Donald Trump
:22:47. > :22:48.is electrically unstoppable. For the past six months,
:22:49. > :22:50.the Republican party machine has careered between denial
:22:51. > :22:52.and acceptance of Trump The backlash against him is growing,
:22:53. > :23:06.but have the big guns of the GOP left it too late to endorse
:23:07. > :23:08.their preferred candidate, I put the question to a former
:23:09. > :23:17.presidential candidate. First a breakdown of how those
:23:18. > :23:21.numbers stack up. Held across 11 states
:23:22. > :23:24.in a territory, Super Tuesday spreads the election
:23:25. > :23:25.battleground across the country, from the Alaska caucus
:23:26. > :23:28.to American Samoa in the Pacific. You can see why it is a decisive
:23:29. > :23:31.day for candidates - nearly half of all Republican
:23:32. > :23:33.delegates are for grabs today. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton
:23:34. > :23:39.and Bernie Sanders will compete for 865, almost a third
:23:40. > :23:44.of their total number. Going into Super Tuesday,
:23:45. > :23:49.Clinton is ahead with 546. Donald Trump meanwhile
:23:50. > :23:53.is on 82 delegates. Marco Rubio is one behind him
:23:54. > :24:04.on just 16. Hillary Clinton is expected to win
:24:05. > :24:07.everywhere but Vermont - Sanders' home state -
:24:08. > :24:11.and Oklahoma which is tied. Trump is expected to win in ten out
:24:12. > :24:15.of the eleven states, the exception being Texas where
:24:16. > :24:21.Ted Cruz has the home advantage. In the beginning we used to talk
:24:22. > :24:25.about Trump having the angry voter, but our sense travelling around
:24:26. > :24:29.is that he has got much more than that, the suburban
:24:30. > :24:31.Republicans, college graduate Republicans, even perhaps
:24:32. > :24:36.the evangelicals. We start our piece
:24:37. > :24:44.in downtown Nashville. Nashville is to music
:24:45. > :24:48.what the Vatican is to prayer. A holy city of honky-tonk,
:24:49. > :24:50.country and western, It brings the believers
:24:51. > :24:58.out in force and even on a Monday night,
:24:59. > :25:00.Laila's Bluegrass Inn gets them The old hands and yes,
:25:01. > :25:13.the absolute beginner. Mike's band has been playing
:25:14. > :25:16.Nashville for decades, part of him mourns the changes
:25:17. > :25:20.he is seeing here. So when Trump appeared,
:25:21. > :25:23.or as another Nashville singer might put it, came in like a wrecking
:25:24. > :25:26.ball, the choice was easy. I had a paint business
:25:27. > :25:28.for 25 years, it took And when the politicians decided
:25:29. > :25:34.to let Mexico get up and move to Tennessee and take my business
:25:35. > :25:38.from me, it felt like my government and reached down and
:25:39. > :25:43.snatched my paint business away from me and handed it
:25:44. > :25:46.to a bunch of illegal immigrants. Mike has stressed
:25:47. > :25:48.to me his Christian What is curious is that even here,
:25:49. > :25:53.deep in the Bible Belt, that sense of faith no longer
:25:54. > :25:59.dictates where the vote goes. In this small town of Sparta
:26:00. > :26:01.in Tennessee, we counted 16 churches just driving around
:26:02. > :26:04.the neighbourhood. In other words, this is a part
:26:05. > :26:07.of the world with plenty Yet Donald Trump,
:26:08. > :26:09.three times married, criticised by the Pope
:26:10. > :26:14.for his non-Christian beliefs, leads the polls here
:26:15. > :26:16.by more than 10%. It is that kind of
:26:17. > :26:18.statistic that makes Over the border in Georgia,
:26:19. > :26:26.we join evangelicals to try and make It is a diverse congregation,
:26:27. > :26:31.ethnically and politically, and a preacher focused
:26:32. > :26:35.on Super Tuesday. And I know that in your minds,
:26:36. > :26:38.you're thinking, this candidate or this candidate, it is not
:26:39. > :26:40.easy to find somebody. Pastor Rouse won't name
:26:41. > :26:46.names, but you can detect I think, you know, we're
:26:47. > :26:53.going to see this election play out that a possible candidate will be
:26:54. > :26:56.elected purely because the whole If his message has
:26:57. > :27:02.urgency, it is because With half the Republican
:27:03. > :27:08.delegates up for grabs today, this contest can turbo propel
:27:09. > :27:10.whoever comes out on top Super Tuesday is when the southern
:27:11. > :27:15.states of America come Places like this, Tennessee,
:27:16. > :27:18.Alabama, Georgia, with a strong evangelical, blue-collar vote,
:27:19. > :27:21.might want to have gone for Ted More extraordinary than that,
:27:22. > :27:27.he is dominating with college graduates, with suburban
:27:28. > :27:29.Republicans, even with The classifications may be crude,
:27:30. > :27:35.but the big picture is clear. Of course the polling
:27:36. > :27:40.figures do not represent America, just a tiny Republican core
:27:41. > :27:44.who vote in primaries. But when you compare Trump
:27:45. > :27:55.to his nearest rivals, The Republican Party
:27:56. > :27:58.machine is looking They're currently grappling
:27:59. > :28:00.with what psychologists Somewhere between denial that
:28:01. > :28:04.Trump is going to win the nomination, and acceptance
:28:05. > :28:07.that it is all going to end up They want to know if he is
:28:08. > :28:11.stoppable, and what the nuclear Thus a flurry of endorsements
:28:12. > :28:15.from the GOP's big guns in the last 72 hours for Florida
:28:16. > :28:18.Senator Marco Rubio. Former presidential candidate
:28:19. > :28:21.Lamar Alexander and state Governor Bill Haslam have
:28:22. > :28:23.jetted into his rally I asked them if it
:28:24. > :28:29.is not all too late. There is a lot of election ahead
:28:30. > :28:32.of us, OK, and obviously But if you look at all those
:28:33. > :28:36.numbers, the longer people look at it, the more
:28:37. > :28:38.they are convinced he And if he doesn't win
:28:39. > :28:41.any of the states on Obviously the goal is
:28:42. > :28:45.to stay in the game. And I think you will see
:28:46. > :28:47.Marco Rubio out there And I honestly think those
:28:48. > :28:52.delegates will fall in place. You know what is like to run
:28:53. > :28:55.for president, at this point in the race, does it feel
:28:56. > :28:58.like there is desperation setting No, if I were Marco Rubio,
:28:59. > :29:02.I would be encouraged. Because he has got the money
:29:03. > :29:04.to continue and literally, we are in the second
:29:05. > :29:07.or third or fourth game The party is in a race
:29:08. > :29:11.against itself right now. Both Cruz and Rubio poll better
:29:12. > :29:14.against Hillary Clinton Yet that doesn't seem to be a factor
:29:15. > :29:24.in where the primary vote is going. Comedian Jon Stewart
:29:25. > :29:26.is blindingly brilliant You have to remember one
:29:27. > :29:31.thing about the will It wasn't that long ago
:29:32. > :29:34.we were all swept away I doubt they recognise
:29:35. > :29:38.the Macarena here in But whatever step they do make
:29:39. > :29:42.next, will need some And with me now is Senator
:29:43. > :29:55.Becky Duncan Massey, Republican member of
:29:56. > :29:57.the Tennessee Senate and a Rubio supporter, and Mark Winslow
:29:58. > :30:00.who is a member of the Tennessee GOP executive committee and is running
:30:01. > :30:22.as a delegate for Donald Trump. I think he has got a very good lead,
:30:23. > :30:27.but there will be a concerted effort to stop him. What do you make of the
:30:28. > :30:34.backlash, all the senators coming out for Rubio? We are seeing some
:30:35. > :30:39.coming out for Donald Trump, but change is difficult and a lot of
:30:40. > :30:45.people are afraid of the change he might bring. I described the mood in
:30:46. > :30:48.your party as crisis mode and when we were speaking to Senator
:30:49. > :30:55.Alexander yesterday, they sound like they are in denial. Polls are
:30:56. > :31:03.showing that Donald Trump is leading strongly. In any election you have a
:31:04. > :31:07.difference of opinions. You look at their policies, their experience,
:31:08. > :31:13.their faith and their character. That is where people make their
:31:14. > :31:16.decisions. What do you think the mainstream Republican party should
:31:17. > :31:22.have done differently if they had wanted to stop Donald Trump when
:31:23. > :31:28.they could? I think having 17 people in the race at the beginning made a
:31:29. > :31:30.big difference. It was hard for people to coalesce around one
:31:31. > :31:35.candidate and the race would have been a lot different if they had
:31:36. > :31:42.basically two front runner is from the beginning. This is democracy in
:31:43. > :31:46.action, this is how the Republicans are voting in the primaries, but
:31:47. > :31:52.when you look at the polls which suggest that either Rubio or Ted
:31:53. > :31:57.Cruz would do better against Hillary Clinton, are you not cutting off
:31:58. > :32:04.your nose despite your face? It is a long time until November and we will
:32:05. > :32:09.find out as we approach November whether Republicans begin to
:32:10. > :32:14.coalesce or not. You say they will coalesce, are you confident of that?
:32:15. > :32:21.We are hearing Republican voices who are saying if it is Donald Trump I
:32:22. > :32:26.am staying at home. I am hopeful. You are finding people like Governor
:32:27. > :32:32.Christie and several members of Congress, yesterday there was a
:32:33. > :32:36.member from Tennessee who came in supporting Donald Trump in his
:32:37. > :32:40.campaign. Change is hard and hopefully they will come around and
:32:41. > :32:44.understand we need to be united for the election in November. If Marco
:32:45. > :32:52.Rubio and Ted Cruz both do well tonight... Which I hope for. That
:32:53. > :33:01.will basically secured Donald Trump for longer. Well, it is narrowing
:33:02. > :33:10.down. There were five people in the last debate and they have to get 20%
:33:11. > :33:15.of the vote in Tennessee to get the proportional delegates. I believe at
:33:16. > :33:20.best there will only be three people that will get the delegates in
:33:21. > :33:26.Tennessee and that will keep the candidacy alive. Give us a sense of
:33:27. > :33:30.what this means for Tennessee. It is the first time it takes part in
:33:31. > :33:37.Super Tuesday and we have seen no real attack ads. How does that
:33:38. > :33:43.change the dynamic? We have not always had the number of adverts as
:33:44. > :33:49.in Iowa and New Hampshire, they had votes based on publicity. This time
:33:50. > :33:55.there have been some ads, but not enough resources have been put in at
:33:56. > :34:02.this stage. Are you expecting Donald Trump to win pretty much everything
:34:03. > :34:06.but Texas? If so, what is the fancy footwork that the mainstream of the
:34:07. > :34:12.party want if they are still intent on stopping him? They could accept
:34:13. > :34:18.the people's well. The good thing is in America you have one person, one
:34:19. > :34:23.vote. You go out and work each state and each area and there are people
:34:24. > :34:28.on the ground in every state and I am sure the candidacy will continue.
:34:29. > :34:34.Obviously I am strongly for Senator Rubio. He is the right candidate, he
:34:35. > :34:43.unites people, and I think the more he gets out, and we had 2000 people
:34:44. > :34:47.in Knoxville yesterday and 4000 in Franklin, and the majority of those
:34:48. > :34:51.votes were young people. It is great to see how many people are taking
:34:52. > :34:58.part and we will keep on working on it. Yesterday Donald Trump was
:34:59. > :35:01.blaming his earpiece when he had not been able to explain why it had
:35:02. > :35:06.taken him so long to distance himself from the Ku Klux Klan. Was
:35:07. > :35:12.that a moment of embarrassment for you as a supporter? No, when you
:35:13. > :35:16.have a first-time candidate who does not have all the political polish,
:35:17. > :35:25.you are going to have things like that now and then. You are joking.
:35:26. > :35:29.You are saying he is lacking the political polish? He has not been
:35:30. > :35:33.through the method of polish that the other candidates can and he has
:35:34. > :35:39.not been giving Senate floor speeches and he has not been in the
:35:40. > :35:48.arena. You take the sweet bumps with the positives. If he had said, yes I
:35:49. > :35:53.can accept the Ku Klux Klan endorsement, would that have put
:35:54. > :36:00.people off or not particularly? I do not know of any civilised person who
:36:01. > :36:07.believes represent everything. That shows character and if those are his
:36:08. > :36:13.beliefs, it would bother me significantly. I bet that is the
:36:14. > :36:18.biggest question, how much Donald Trump means what he says and how far
:36:19. > :36:22.he would go to implement some of the more extreme policies that he has
:36:23. > :36:26.discussed. We will know the result from here at about nine o'clock
:36:27. > :36:31.tonight. The polls show in a couple of hours' time and we will bring you
:36:32. > :36:32.all the race, including what is happening in the Democratic race
:36:33. > :36:34.tomorrow. Back in Europe, migrant numbers
:36:35. > :36:37.are building up in Greece, people unable to move north and west
:36:38. > :36:40.up through Macedonia. It is beginning to look horrifyingly
:36:41. > :36:54.like a humanitarian crisis. We have the figures
:36:55. > :36:56.for February now. People coming off boats from Turkey
:36:57. > :37:02.to Lesbos as in these pictures From the islands, the new arrivals
:37:03. > :37:08.get to Athens by ferry. Here are scenes today
:37:09. > :37:10.at the passenger terminal And that is where the
:37:11. > :37:23.latest problems start. Because people get to the border
:37:24. > :37:25.with Macedonia and then 9,000 or so camping
:37:26. > :37:31.in the fields near that border. The Macedonians now tightening
:37:32. > :37:34.the border to prevent any more Well, this is causing problems
:37:35. > :37:44.for Greece as the minister for citizen protection there,
:37:45. > :37:45.Nikos Toskas, explained I started by asking him
:37:46. > :37:49.about the situation There is a serious crisis,
:37:50. > :37:55.as I said, in the area. And this serious crisis is caused
:37:56. > :37:58.by the different wars in Syria, We did not start the wars,
:37:59. > :38:07.but we are receiving the results And various people are
:38:08. > :38:16.coming with nothing. We are providing them
:38:17. > :38:22.with the basic things, But they don't want to stay
:38:23. > :38:29.in the different camps, Only a small number
:38:30. > :38:38.of refugees are passing. Yesterday only 30 people
:38:39. > :38:43.passed from the borders. So this is a serious
:38:44. > :38:48.problem but unfortunately, a few European Union countries
:38:49. > :38:53.and a few Balkan countries are not dealing with the problem in
:38:54. > :38:58.a collective and comprehensible way. You said some of them are not
:38:59. > :39:04.behaving in a collective way. Name some names
:39:05. > :39:08.for me, if you would. The previous days, a decision
:39:09. > :39:13.was taken in Vienna. And so the decision really
:39:14. > :39:24.was the borders would be closed We have a different approach,
:39:25. > :39:30.we want, as I said, We believe European countries have
:39:31. > :39:37.to share the burden, European countries can receive
:39:38. > :39:43.a number of refugees. Most of the European countries have
:39:44. > :39:46.accepted this approach, but unfortunately there are other
:39:47. > :39:51.countries taking their own path. And they're taking care only
:39:52. > :39:56.of their national interest and not the collective interest
:39:57. > :40:00.of the European Union. What can Greece do to put pressure
:40:01. > :40:05.on its European partners, what can you do to say, guys,
:40:06. > :40:08.you have to do what you have said you're going to do and you have
:40:09. > :40:12.got to help us here? Many times we requested
:40:13. > :40:17.from the European Union to deal One year ago they thought that this
:40:18. > :40:27.was only a problem which affected only the southern areas
:40:28. > :40:32.and especially Greece. Later on they realised that these
:40:33. > :40:36.flows were affecting And so they started dealing more
:40:37. > :40:45.seriously about the problem. So they started trying to find ways,
:40:46. > :40:53.to find solutions for the problem. The real solution will be the ending
:40:54. > :40:58.of the war to the areas which are the sources
:40:59. > :41:01.of the problem in Syria, One final question
:41:02. > :41:09.if you would, Minister. What effect do you think this
:41:10. > :41:13.is having on Greek society? We are receiving everyday 2,500
:41:14. > :41:19.immigrants and refugees. We are in the middle
:41:20. > :41:23.of a financial crisis, so we have two real
:41:24. > :41:27.crises in the country. The financial and
:41:28. > :41:30.the refugee problem. We cannot be the black
:41:31. > :41:33.hole of Europe. We need support from the different
:41:34. > :41:42.countries and we need a real solution for the flows
:41:43. > :41:50.and the problem. Minister Toskas, thank
:41:51. > :41:57.you very much indeed. We'll wake up to American
:41:58. > :42:01.politics I dare say, but before we go to bed,
:42:02. > :42:04.a bit of South Korea, where the filibuster to end
:42:05. > :42:06.all filibusters is still under way. Opposition MPs there protesting
:42:07. > :42:08.at anti-terrorism legislation started their attempt to talk it out
:42:09. > :42:11.back on February 23rd and they have I can't tell you what they're
:42:12. > :42:19.saying, but at this point,