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:00:00. > :00:00.Tonight, was a Scotland Yard detective taken off the case

:00:07. > :00:12.because he wanted to talk to a government minister?

:00:13. > :00:15.I have been 34-and-a-half years in the Met police.

:00:16. > :00:18.I am immensely proud to have been a police officer and to have been

:00:19. > :00:24.This is the one period in my career which just troubles me greatly.

:00:25. > :00:27.For 18 months we've been investigating what went wrong

:00:28. > :00:30.when this policeman was trying to discover the truth

:00:31. > :00:33.about allegations of widespread abuse in south

:00:34. > :00:41.Clive had been suspended from the case, the investigation,

:00:42. > :00:44.he was going to be disciplined, he had been interviewed

:00:45. > :00:49.and they found he had nothing and to all intents and purposes

:00:50. > :00:53.the matter should be regarded as completely closed.

:00:54. > :00:56.What does this case reveal about the sensitivities that arise

:00:57. > :01:02.Also tonight, the US Presidential Primaries

:01:03. > :01:11.The Republican Party machine is looking for salvation.

:01:12. > :01:13.They are currently grappling with what psychologists might call

:01:14. > :01:16.the five stages of grief, somewhere between denial that Trump

:01:17. > :01:19.is going to win the nomination, and acceptance that it is all going

:01:20. > :01:22.to end up like that, comes the fightback.

:01:23. > :01:26.They want to know if he is stoppable and what the nuclear options

:01:27. > :01:40.Over the last few years, few subjects have caused as much

:01:41. > :01:43.controversy as the investigations into historic cases of child abuse.

:01:44. > :01:46.The issue is a minefield for survivors, for police and,

:01:47. > :01:51.Over time, rumours become reality and facts are too easily

:01:52. > :01:57.How do you disentangle all this to find the truth?

:01:58. > :02:01.That is what Justice Goddard has set herself up to do in a public inquiry

:02:02. > :02:04.that gets under way this month and will last years.

:02:05. > :02:07.She has prioritised a handful of cases that need urgent attention

:02:08. > :02:11.and one of them is the London borough of Lambeth.

:02:12. > :02:14.Unlike other stories you have heard, there is no doubt the children's

:02:15. > :02:17.homes here were infiltrated by paedophiles, a number of men have

:02:18. > :02:25.But there is a lingering feeling the police didn't uncover

:02:26. > :02:30.Tonight we set out one small part of the Lambeth story,

:02:31. > :02:32.an important episode that involves the police,

:02:33. > :02:39.Detectives had been investigating a man for child abuse

:02:40. > :02:42.and as they looked into his case, they were told the suspect seemed

:02:43. > :02:47.There was no suggestion the minister had done anything wrong.

:02:48. > :02:51.But should police talk to him to see if he could help the inquiry?

:02:52. > :02:56.In fact, Scotland Yard chose not to approach him.

:02:57. > :02:59.And that baffled some people, including one experienced

:03:00. > :03:07.So, did detectives make the right call?

:03:08. > :03:10.There is another important twist, because detectives weren't dealing

:03:11. > :03:15.To understand the sensitivities here we need to explain

:03:16. > :03:19.who he was and the job he held. The minister was Paul Boateng,

:03:20. > :03:23.Home Office minister in charge of the police,

:03:24. > :03:27.a man who'd made his name as a lawyer criticising the Met.

:03:28. > :03:29.Over the last 18 months, we've approached all the key people

:03:30. > :03:32.in this saga, including Lord Boateng himself.

:03:33. > :03:35.But this film doesn't draw conclusions.

:03:36. > :03:38.It asks questions, questions that still haven't been answered

:03:39. > :03:58.The borough of Lambeth in south London, a prime focus for the

:03:59. > :04:04.independent enquiry into child sex abuse held by justice Goddard. Her

:04:05. > :04:08.team will look at what went on in children's care homes here more than

:04:09. > :04:13.30 years ago and review decisions taken by the police that are still

:04:14. > :04:18.contentious today. Perhaps none more so than what led to the removal of

:04:19. > :04:24.an officer from a sensitive enquiry and what happened to the information

:04:25. > :04:28.he had. At the heart of this story is one fundamental issue, the an

:04:29. > :04:33.easy relationship between the police and those in power. I have been 34

:04:34. > :04:38.and a half years in the Metropolitan police service and I was immensely

:04:39. > :04:45.proud to be a police officer, but this is the one period in my career

:04:46. > :04:49.which troubles me greatly. In 1998, Clive Driscoll was a detective

:04:50. > :04:54.working on a delicate case. Police in Liverpool had arrested a man

:04:55. > :05:00.called John Carroll. He was accused of offences in Liverpool and

:05:01. > :05:04.Lambeth. He had been the manager of children's care home in Lambeth and

:05:05. > :05:09.Driscoll's job was to pick up the London end of the inquiry. Was there

:05:10. > :05:14.more to follow up? He thought there was. Among several potential

:05:15. > :05:19.witnesses he wanted to talk to was this man, Paul Boateng, a rising

:05:20. > :05:24.star in Tony player's government. Approaching any minister would have

:05:25. > :05:27.been awkward, but speaking to Boateng would have been particularly

:05:28. > :05:33.so, he had just been appointed minister in charge of the police.

:05:34. > :05:37.Newsnight has spent 18 months investigating what happened in this

:05:38. > :05:43.borough back then and one thing is for sure. It is as controversial now

:05:44. > :05:50.as it ever was. This story begins with Driscoll's investigation,

:05:51. > :05:57.Operation Trawler. The prime focus of his enquiries where this man,

:05:58. > :06:01.John Carroll, who would plead guilty to charges of indecent assault and

:06:02. > :06:07.burglary of young boys in the 1970s and 80s. He was sentenced to ten

:06:08. > :06:11.years in jail. Police in London continued to look into his past,

:06:12. > :06:15.they wanted to be sure the full extent of his abuse in Lambeth care

:06:16. > :06:20.homes had been uncovered. It was becoming clear there were still

:06:21. > :06:26.people who might be able to shed light on his activities. Driscoll

:06:27. > :06:37.investigated through the autumn of 1998. These confidential

:06:38. > :06:40.papers record the work he was undertaking. Driscoll was told

:06:41. > :06:42.Carroll like to get among well-known people in the local community,

:06:43. > :06:44.dignitaries, police officers, councillors. Two witnesses mentioned

:06:45. > :06:49.the name of one particularly prominent individual he had met in

:06:50. > :06:54.this way. We have spoken to both of them. One was a former social worker

:06:55. > :07:01.who had worked under Carroll at the Angel Road care home. Her name was

:07:02. > :07:05.Teresa Johnson. Her identity has never been revealed before. She told

:07:06. > :07:11.us she had seen many visitors come and go from the home. One of them

:07:12. > :07:15.she says was Paul Boateng. She says she saw him on up to six occasions

:07:16. > :07:26.and once spoke to him in the reception area. By the office there

:07:27. > :07:32.was a table with visitorsbook and everybody who comes into our home

:07:33. > :07:38.has to sign the book. I said, excuse me, can you sign the visitors' book?

:07:39. > :07:45.And he signed it. You saw his name in there? Yes. The second person who

:07:46. > :07:50.had spoken to Driscoll was a youth worker from a local charity which

:07:51. > :07:56.ran annual caravan holidays for people in care. He told us John

:07:57. > :08:00.Carroll attended these camps and he remembered many local dignitaries

:08:01. > :08:05.visiting or helping out. One of them he says was Paul Boateng. John

:08:06. > :08:10.Carroll would regularly talk about him being able to open doors for

:08:11. > :08:15.him. John Carroll believed he should have been someone far more

:08:16. > :08:22.significant. From your own recollections, you saw John Carroll

:08:23. > :08:28.with this man? Definitely. On how many occasions? Quite a few. There

:08:29. > :08:34.was a third piece of information in Driscoll's files. In the mid-19 80s

:08:35. > :08:39.John Carroll attempted to foster children. Lambeth supported this,

:08:40. > :08:44.but needed the neighbouring borough, Southwark, two second it. They

:08:45. > :08:49.refused. They discovered Carroll already had a conviction for child

:08:50. > :08:53.abuse dating back to the 1960s. Southwark couldn't believe Lambeth

:08:54. > :08:58.Council did not know about this and had not sacked him. Newsnight has

:08:59. > :09:03.been told the decision provoked a bitter row between the two Council.

:09:04. > :09:08.We have been told a few days later the official who took the decision

:09:09. > :09:12.to block the application received a phone call from a man who identified

:09:13. > :09:16.himself as Paul Boateng, although the official could not be sure it

:09:17. > :09:21.was him. The caller had asked him if there was anything he could do to

:09:22. > :09:26.help resolve the row around Carroll's posturing. The offer was

:09:27. > :09:31.not taken up. There is no suggestion they were aware of Carroll's

:09:32. > :09:35.previous conviction. Driscoll told colleagues he needed to talk to Paul

:09:36. > :09:46.Boateng in case he could shed light on Carol's activities. Then to his

:09:47. > :09:51.astonishment he was axed. One of those who knew Driscoll was about to

:09:52. > :09:56.approach Boateng was a senior Lambeth official, Nigel Goldie. But

:09:57. > :10:00.Goldie thought the detective had told too many people about his

:10:01. > :10:06.plans. He said he raised his concerns within Lambeth Council.

:10:07. > :10:12.Within days, Goldie had been spoken to by another police officer called

:10:13. > :10:17.Richard da Genie. He said he told him to forget about Driscoll and his

:10:18. > :10:22.Leeds. Clive had been suspended from the investigation and he was going

:10:23. > :10:27.to be disciplined. He had been interviewed and they found he had

:10:28. > :10:31.nothing and that to all intents and purposes the matter should be

:10:32. > :10:37.regarded as completely closed. Nothing more was going to be done

:10:38. > :10:45.about it. It should be left and I should not speak to anyone about it,

:10:46. > :10:51.were you surprised he had been removed? I was surprised, I was not

:10:52. > :10:58.expecting that kind of drastic action. Driscoll is also bemused.

:10:59. > :11:01.For him any claim that the product of his investigation had come to

:11:02. > :11:09.nothing did not make sense. He said he had not told anyone who he wanted

:11:10. > :11:16.to speak to or why. Did Driscoll get what he deserved, or was this a good

:11:17. > :11:22.excuse to get him out before he stirred up a political Hornets'

:11:23. > :11:27.nest? A secret internal, Scotland Yard report said Driscoll committed

:11:28. > :11:29.serious indiscretions, but it also refers to the political

:11:30. > :11:35.sensitivities that resulted in his removal from Lambeth. Like many

:11:36. > :11:39.senior officers at Scotland Yard, Driscoll had his critics and he

:11:40. > :11:45.admits he can be a bit of a bull in a china shot. But the disciplinary

:11:46. > :11:51.proceedings against him were quickly drop and his career soared.

:11:52. > :12:00.The Lawrence's family's long wait for justice. Two men are found

:12:01. > :12:05.guilty. Driscoll was rated as the detective

:12:06. > :12:08.who finally brought them to justice. Baroness Doreen Lawrence describes

:12:09. > :12:16.Driscoll as an officer with integrity. Driscoll says he

:12:17. > :12:22.subsequently handed over his notebooks and documents to Dyer

:12:23. > :12:26.Genie. He says they detail the progress he was making with people

:12:27. > :12:33.to contact. It was around the time that Driscoll was removed that car

:12:34. > :12:37.Genie was asked to run a new inquiry called operation Middleton. It was

:12:38. > :12:41.on a bigger scale and as well as police now involve a team of

:12:42. > :12:47.specially trained social workers. They were known as the child abuse

:12:48. > :12:52.in Lambeth team. But operation Middleton did not pick up where

:12:53. > :12:58.Driscoll had left off. John Carroll was no longer the sole focus of the

:12:59. > :13:04.enquiry. Instead detectives were tasked with looking at allegations

:13:05. > :13:11.of child abuse across all Lambeth's children's homes going back 20

:13:12. > :13:16.years. So what happened to Driscoll's documents, his Leeds, his

:13:17. > :13:23.notebooks? That is one of the key unanswered questions. Why? Because

:13:24. > :13:27.Teresa Johnson told us she did not hear from detectives again. This

:13:28. > :13:32.left her feeling distrustful of the police. Social workers contacted her

:13:33. > :13:37.some years later as part of a general sweep of all former staff,

:13:38. > :13:42.but she told us they never asked her about the information she had given

:13:43. > :13:48.Driscoll. In our investigation we met with a dozen times. She died in

:13:49. > :13:54.September last year. The charity worker from the caravan park was not

:13:55. > :13:57.spoken to either. He too lost faith in the police. The Southwark

:13:58. > :14:03.official who took the adoption call was never contacted either. Some

:14:04. > :14:06.officers in operation Middleton had told us they were unaware of the

:14:07. > :14:14.information Driscoll had compiled, information that had justified his

:14:15. > :14:17.plan to approach the minister. One confesses that Driscoll even told

:14:18. > :14:25.him, claimed that emphatically denies.

:14:26. > :14:31.There was another strand of information presented to police.

:14:32. > :14:36.Social workers discovered a document suggesting Paul Boateng and his wife

:14:37. > :14:39.had visited the Angel Road tempo in the mid-19 80s when John Carroll was

:14:40. > :14:43.in charge. We were told the information was passed to detectives

:14:44. > :14:48.on operation Muggleton. Social workers recognised the potential

:14:49. > :14:52.sensitivities and they were told it was discussed at the highest levels

:14:53. > :15:00.of the police and the Home Office. We put this to this attempt to Eddie

:15:01. > :15:05.said was unable to clarify the sequence of events because he did

:15:06. > :15:10.not have access to computer records in relation to operation Muggleton.

:15:11. > :15:14.He said was an ongoing enquiry and it would be inappropriate to comment

:15:15. > :15:18.further. None of this suggest that Paul Boateng has done anything

:15:19. > :15:22.wrong. And the police said they have never received any complaints about

:15:23. > :15:25.him. But might he have had information that could help the

:15:26. > :15:30.police investigation? Driscoll thought so. Regardless of the

:15:31. > :15:36.sensitivities. The new enquiry did not. Met officers we spoke to deny

:15:37. > :15:41.the bottled it and describe Middleton is a gold standard

:15:42. > :15:48.enquiry. So why is this important? In operation Muggleton posmack early

:15:49. > :15:51.days officers let it be known they had 40 offenders in their sights. It

:15:52. > :15:57.emerged that 60 alleged abusers had died. Another 19 could not be

:15:58. > :15:59.identified. At the end of the four-year enquiry the police secured

:16:00. > :16:05.three convictions. Operation Muggleton's final report noted it

:16:06. > :16:08.would be unreasonable to judge the success of the operation solely on

:16:09. > :16:14.the basis of the number of successful prosecutions. So where

:16:15. > :16:18.are we now put up as we make clear, there is no evidence that Lord

:16:19. > :16:26.Boateng did anything wrong. He has told us he only became aware of

:16:27. > :16:33.officer Carol Dzagoev Carol when he was arrested. He told us that as a

:16:34. > :16:37.campaigning lawyer he acted for many young people in care and met many of

:16:38. > :16:39.the social workers and visited many use facilities in the course of his

:16:40. > :16:44.work. He did not personally know Mr Carroll and had no recollection of

:16:45. > :16:49.meeting him professionally or visiting the Angel Road or anywhere

:16:50. > :16:55.else he was present. He told us he remembered the charity that he has

:16:56. > :17:00.no recollection of visiting during the caravan holidays. And he said he

:17:01. > :17:05.did not make the call to a council official. The statement added, I

:17:06. > :17:09.would be appalled if Mr Carroll was not properly investigated and

:17:10. > :17:13.children harmed as as a result. I'm unaware how the investigation into

:17:14. > :17:16.Mr Carroll was conducted and knew nothing about the matter is under

:17:17. > :17:19.investigation. So I cannot comment on why the police did not seek my

:17:20. > :17:25.assistance in connection with this matter. I would of course have been

:17:26. > :17:27.happy to assist. Scotland Yard launched its own internal review

:17:28. > :17:33.almost three years ago. It is now being overseen by the Independent

:17:34. > :17:37.Police Complaints Commission. Now just as God has made Lambeth a

:17:38. > :17:42.priority. The questions they're looking at go to the heart of

:17:43. > :17:52.policing. Officers take us to act without fear or favour. Did they do

:17:53. > :17:56.that in this case? -- take an oath. To try to help answer the question,

:17:57. > :18:01.just as God heard turned to this man. Raymond Stevenson was a boy in

:18:02. > :18:11.one of the Lambeth care homes. 18 months ago he set up a support group

:18:12. > :18:20.for survivors. He is now seeing more than 600 members.

:18:21. > :18:25.A music producer, he directed a video to highlight the issue of

:18:26. > :18:30.child abuse in Lambeth. He believes police avoided asking awkward

:18:31. > :18:33.questions. We have four pieces of information that appear to show a

:18:34. > :18:38.link, alleged link between Paul Boateng and John Carroll. You think

:18:39. > :18:44.that he should have been spoken to by the police?

:18:45. > :18:47.I know those links you're talking about and of course he should have

:18:48. > :18:51.been spoken to. Anyone with those connecting pieces of information

:18:52. > :18:55.should be spoken to, whoever they are.

:18:56. > :18:59.John Carroll now lives in the Midlands, he declined to speak to

:19:00. > :19:06.us. Here he is with children in his care, pictures never seen before. By

:19:07. > :19:16.Tansey was charming, terrifying, manipulative. -- by Tansey was

:19:17. > :19:22.charming. Newsnight held many conflict and stories about his world

:19:23. > :19:25.and to sell it but most can agree on one thing. The story of child abuse

:19:26. > :19:31.in Lambeth and the story of John Carroll has never been fully told.

:19:32. > :19:38.Well, Jake Morris carried out that investigation with Nick and I spoke

:19:39. > :19:47.Jake, we've seen one police investigation accused of being far

:19:48. > :19:49.too credulous, in this case the suggestion is the investigation

:19:50. > :19:54.Why do you think the police have such a chequered record in these

:19:55. > :19:59.Evan, I think manny police officers would say they're dammed if they do,

:20:00. > :20:03.and dammed if they don't when it comes to these kind of inquiries.

:20:04. > :20:06.There are lots of campaigners who believe the police repeatedly

:20:07. > :20:09.failed to do their job in the 1970s and the 1980s when dealing

:20:10. > :20:14.But there are some critics of the police who feel the pendulum

:20:15. > :20:19.And officers are now being overzealous in the way

:20:20. > :20:26.As we said, this is desperately difficult territory for the police.

:20:27. > :20:29.Because many of these allegations are about events that allegedly

:20:30. > :20:38.And also because of the incendiary nature of what is being suggested.

:20:39. > :20:45.Now, given that you and Nick in the report spell out very clearly

:20:46. > :20:47.that there is no evidence that Paul Boateng, Lord Boateng,

:20:48. > :20:50.did anything wrong, why did you feel it was important to name him

:20:51. > :20:57.We thought very long and hard about this and our feeling

:20:58. > :20:59.was to fully understand this story you needed to tell the particular

:21:00. > :21:02.sensitivities around this particular minister.

:21:03. > :21:05.Therefore we needed to say what job he did, and who he was.

:21:06. > :21:08.Paul Boateng wasn't just any influential figure,

:21:09. > :21:14.he was the man who was a minister with responsibility for the police.

:21:15. > :21:17.And he was also someone who had built his reputation and come

:21:18. > :21:19.to prominence as a lawyer who was often very critical

:21:20. > :21:26.Well Justice Goddard has said she will start looking at Lambeth

:21:27. > :21:30.this month and she has outlined what she is going to be looking at.

:21:31. > :21:34.And I quote - "allegations that there was inappropriate

:21:35. > :21:36.interference in law enforcement investigations, into the sexual

:21:37. > :21:39.abuse of children in the care of the council."

:21:40. > :21:42.As we also said, the police have been looking at this for nearly

:21:43. > :21:48.But there are witnesses we have spoken to who have told us they have

:21:49. > :21:51.lost faith in this review, who do not believe it

:21:52. > :21:53.will get to the bottom of what happened in Lambeth.

:21:54. > :21:56.So I think it fair to say Justice Goddard will have her work

:21:57. > :21:59.cut out to reassure them that on this occasion she really will get

:22:00. > :22:14.That name gives it the buzz of a sporting fixture

:22:15. > :22:17.or a reality TV event, but it is the biggest day

:22:18. > :22:18.of the season of US Presidential Primaries.

:22:19. > :22:33.Emily is there as votes are cast, in Nashville, Tennessee.

:22:34. > :22:39.Good evening from Nashville, Tennessee. It is the first time the

:22:40. > :22:42.state gets to vote in Super Tuesday and the day has acquired new

:22:43. > :22:46.significance because this is the moment we find out if Donald Trump

:22:47. > :22:48.is electrically unstoppable. For the past six months,

:22:49. > :22:50.the Republican party machine has careered between denial

:22:51. > :22:52.and acceptance of Trump The backlash against him is growing,

:22:53. > :23:06.but have the big guns of the GOP left it too late to endorse

:23:07. > :23:08.their preferred candidate, I put the question to a former

:23:09. > :23:17.presidential candidate. First a breakdown of how those

:23:18. > :23:21.numbers stack up. Held across 11 states

:23:22. > :23:24.in a territory, Super Tuesday spreads the election

:23:25. > :23:25.battleground across the country, from the Alaska caucus

:23:26. > :23:28.to American Samoa in the Pacific. You can see why it is a decisive

:23:29. > :23:31.day for candidates - nearly half of all Republican

:23:32. > :23:33.delegates are for grabs today. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton

:23:34. > :23:39.and Bernie Sanders will compete for 865, almost a third

:23:40. > :23:44.of their total number. Going into Super Tuesday,

:23:45. > :23:49.Clinton is ahead with 546. Donald Trump meanwhile

:23:50. > :23:53.is on 82 delegates. Marco Rubio is one behind him

:23:54. > :24:04.on just 16. Hillary Clinton is expected to win

:24:05. > :24:07.everywhere but Vermont - Sanders' home state -

:24:08. > :24:11.and Oklahoma which is tied. Trump is expected to win in ten out

:24:12. > :24:15.of the eleven states, the exception being Texas where

:24:16. > :24:21.Ted Cruz has the home advantage. In the beginning we used to talk

:24:22. > :24:25.about Trump having the angry voter, but our sense travelling around

:24:26. > :24:29.is that he has got much more than that, the suburban

:24:30. > :24:31.Republicans, college graduate Republicans, even perhaps

:24:32. > :24:36.the evangelicals. We start our piece

:24:37. > :24:44.in downtown Nashville. Nashville is to music

:24:45. > :24:48.what the Vatican is to prayer. A holy city of honky-tonk,

:24:49. > :24:50.country and western, It brings the believers

:24:51. > :24:58.out in force and even on a Monday night,

:24:59. > :25:00.Laila's Bluegrass Inn gets them The old hands and yes,

:25:01. > :25:13.the absolute beginner. Mike's band has been playing

:25:14. > :25:16.Nashville for decades, part of him mourns the changes

:25:17. > :25:20.he is seeing here. So when Trump appeared,

:25:21. > :25:23.or as another Nashville singer might put it, came in like a wrecking

:25:24. > :25:26.ball, the choice was easy. I had a paint business

:25:27. > :25:28.for 25 years, it took And when the politicians decided

:25:29. > :25:34.to let Mexico get up and move to Tennessee and take my business

:25:35. > :25:38.from me, it felt like my government and reached down and

:25:39. > :25:43.snatched my paint business away from me and handed it

:25:44. > :25:46.to a bunch of illegal immigrants. Mike has stressed

:25:47. > :25:48.to me his Christian What is curious is that even here,

:25:49. > :25:53.deep in the Bible Belt, that sense of faith no longer

:25:54. > :25:59.dictates where the vote goes. In this small town of Sparta

:26:00. > :26:01.in Tennessee, we counted 16 churches just driving around

:26:02. > :26:04.the neighbourhood. In other words, this is a part

:26:05. > :26:07.of the world with plenty Yet Donald Trump,

:26:08. > :26:09.three times married, criticised by the Pope

:26:10. > :26:14.for his non-Christian beliefs, leads the polls here

:26:15. > :26:16.by more than 10%. It is that kind of

:26:17. > :26:18.statistic that makes Over the border in Georgia,

:26:19. > :26:26.we join evangelicals to try and make It is a diverse congregation,

:26:27. > :26:31.ethnically and politically, and a preacher focused

:26:32. > :26:35.on Super Tuesday. And I know that in your minds,

:26:36. > :26:38.you're thinking, this candidate or this candidate, it is not

:26:39. > :26:40.easy to find somebody. Pastor Rouse won't name

:26:41. > :26:46.names, but you can detect I think, you know, we're

:26:47. > :26:53.going to see this election play out that a possible candidate will be

:26:54. > :26:56.elected purely because the whole If his message has

:26:57. > :27:02.urgency, it is because With half the Republican

:27:03. > :27:08.delegates up for grabs today, this contest can turbo propel

:27:09. > :27:10.whoever comes out on top Super Tuesday is when the southern

:27:11. > :27:15.states of America come Places like this, Tennessee,

:27:16. > :27:18.Alabama, Georgia, with a strong evangelical, blue-collar vote,

:27:19. > :27:21.might want to have gone for Ted More extraordinary than that,

:27:22. > :27:27.he is dominating with college graduates, with suburban

:27:28. > :27:29.Republicans, even with The classifications may be crude,

:27:30. > :27:35.but the big picture is clear. Of course the polling

:27:36. > :27:40.figures do not represent America, just a tiny Republican core

:27:41. > :27:44.who vote in primaries. But when you compare Trump

:27:45. > :27:55.to his nearest rivals, The Republican Party

:27:56. > :27:58.machine is looking They're currently grappling

:27:59. > :28:00.with what psychologists Somewhere between denial that

:28:01. > :28:04.Trump is going to win the nomination, and acceptance

:28:05. > :28:07.that it is all going to end up They want to know if he is

:28:08. > :28:11.stoppable, and what the nuclear Thus a flurry of endorsements

:28:12. > :28:15.from the GOP's big guns in the last 72 hours for Florida

:28:16. > :28:18.Senator Marco Rubio. Former presidential candidate

:28:19. > :28:21.Lamar Alexander and state Governor Bill Haslam have

:28:22. > :28:23.jetted into his rally I asked them if it

:28:24. > :28:29.is not all too late. There is a lot of election ahead

:28:30. > :28:32.of us, OK, and obviously But if you look at all those

:28:33. > :28:36.numbers, the longer people look at it, the more

:28:37. > :28:38.they are convinced he And if he doesn't win

:28:39. > :28:41.any of the states on Obviously the goal is

:28:42. > :28:45.to stay in the game. And I think you will see

:28:46. > :28:47.Marco Rubio out there And I honestly think those

:28:48. > :28:52.delegates will fall in place. You know what is like to run

:28:53. > :28:55.for president, at this point in the race, does it feel

:28:56. > :28:58.like there is desperation setting No, if I were Marco Rubio,

:28:59. > :29:02.I would be encouraged. Because he has got the money

:29:03. > :29:04.to continue and literally, we are in the second

:29:05. > :29:07.or third or fourth game The party is in a race

:29:08. > :29:11.against itself right now. Both Cruz and Rubio poll better

:29:12. > :29:14.against Hillary Clinton Yet that doesn't seem to be a factor

:29:15. > :29:24.in where the primary vote is going. Comedian Jon Stewart

:29:25. > :29:26.is blindingly brilliant You have to remember one

:29:27. > :29:31.thing about the will It wasn't that long ago

:29:32. > :29:34.we were all swept away I doubt they recognise

:29:35. > :29:38.the Macarena here in But whatever step they do make

:29:39. > :29:42.next, will need some And with me now is Senator

:29:43. > :29:55.Becky Duncan Massey, Republican member of

:29:56. > :29:57.the Tennessee Senate and a Rubio supporter, and Mark Winslow

:29:58. > :30:00.who is a member of the Tennessee GOP executive committee and is running

:30:01. > :30:22.as a delegate for Donald Trump. I think he has got a very good lead,

:30:23. > :30:27.but there will be a concerted effort to stop him. What do you make of the

:30:28. > :30:34.backlash, all the senators coming out for Rubio? We are seeing some

:30:35. > :30:39.coming out for Donald Trump, but change is difficult and a lot of

:30:40. > :30:45.people are afraid of the change he might bring. I described the mood in

:30:46. > :30:48.your party as crisis mode and when we were speaking to Senator

:30:49. > :30:55.Alexander yesterday, they sound like they are in denial. Polls are

:30:56. > :31:03.showing that Donald Trump is leading strongly. In any election you have a

:31:04. > :31:07.difference of opinions. You look at their policies, their experience,

:31:08. > :31:13.their faith and their character. That is where people make their

:31:14. > :31:16.decisions. What do you think the mainstream Republican party should

:31:17. > :31:22.have done differently if they had wanted to stop Donald Trump when

:31:23. > :31:28.they could? I think having 17 people in the race at the beginning made a

:31:29. > :31:30.big difference. It was hard for people to coalesce around one

:31:31. > :31:35.candidate and the race would have been a lot different if they had

:31:36. > :31:42.basically two front runner is from the beginning. This is democracy in

:31:43. > :31:46.action, this is how the Republicans are voting in the primaries, but

:31:47. > :31:52.when you look at the polls which suggest that either Rubio or Ted

:31:53. > :31:57.Cruz would do better against Hillary Clinton, are you not cutting off

:31:58. > :32:04.your nose despite your face? It is a long time until November and we will

:32:05. > :32:09.find out as we approach November whether Republicans begin to

:32:10. > :32:14.coalesce or not. You say they will coalesce, are you confident of that?

:32:15. > :32:21.We are hearing Republican voices who are saying if it is Donald Trump I

:32:22. > :32:26.am staying at home. I am hopeful. You are finding people like Governor

:32:27. > :32:32.Christie and several members of Congress, yesterday there was a

:32:33. > :32:36.member from Tennessee who came in supporting Donald Trump in his

:32:37. > :32:40.campaign. Change is hard and hopefully they will come around and

:32:41. > :32:44.understand we need to be united for the election in November. If Marco

:32:45. > :32:52.Rubio and Ted Cruz both do well tonight... Which I hope for. That

:32:53. > :33:01.will basically secured Donald Trump for longer. Well, it is narrowing

:33:02. > :33:10.down. There were five people in the last debate and they have to get 20%

:33:11. > :33:15.of the vote in Tennessee to get the proportional delegates. I believe at

:33:16. > :33:20.best there will only be three people that will get the delegates in

:33:21. > :33:26.Tennessee and that will keep the candidacy alive. Give us a sense of

:33:27. > :33:30.what this means for Tennessee. It is the first time it takes part in

:33:31. > :33:37.Super Tuesday and we have seen no real attack ads. How does that

:33:38. > :33:43.change the dynamic? We have not always had the number of adverts as

:33:44. > :33:49.in Iowa and New Hampshire, they had votes based on publicity. This time

:33:50. > :33:55.there have been some ads, but not enough resources have been put in at

:33:56. > :34:02.this stage. Are you expecting Donald Trump to win pretty much everything

:34:03. > :34:06.but Texas? If so, what is the fancy footwork that the mainstream of the

:34:07. > :34:12.party want if they are still intent on stopping him? They could accept

:34:13. > :34:18.the people's well. The good thing is in America you have one person, one

:34:19. > :34:23.vote. You go out and work each state and each area and there are people

:34:24. > :34:28.on the ground in every state and I am sure the candidacy will continue.

:34:29. > :34:34.Obviously I am strongly for Senator Rubio. He is the right candidate, he

:34:35. > :34:43.unites people, and I think the more he gets out, and we had 2000 people

:34:44. > :34:47.in Knoxville yesterday and 4000 in Franklin, and the majority of those

:34:48. > :34:51.votes were young people. It is great to see how many people are taking

:34:52. > :34:58.part and we will keep on working on it. Yesterday Donald Trump was

:34:59. > :35:01.blaming his earpiece when he had not been able to explain why it had

:35:02. > :35:06.taken him so long to distance himself from the Ku Klux Klan. Was

:35:07. > :35:12.that a moment of embarrassment for you as a supporter? No, when you

:35:13. > :35:16.have a first-time candidate who does not have all the political polish,

:35:17. > :35:25.you are going to have things like that now and then. You are joking.

:35:26. > :35:29.You are saying he is lacking the political polish? He has not been

:35:30. > :35:33.through the method of polish that the other candidates can and he has

:35:34. > :35:39.not been giving Senate floor speeches and he has not been in the

:35:40. > :35:48.arena. You take the sweet bumps with the positives. If he had said, yes I

:35:49. > :35:53.can accept the Ku Klux Klan endorsement, would that have put

:35:54. > :36:00.people off or not particularly? I do not know of any civilised person who

:36:01. > :36:07.believes represent everything. That shows character and if those are his

:36:08. > :36:13.beliefs, it would bother me significantly. I bet that is the

:36:14. > :36:18.biggest question, how much Donald Trump means what he says and how far

:36:19. > :36:22.he would go to implement some of the more extreme policies that he has

:36:23. > :36:26.discussed. We will know the result from here at about nine o'clock

:36:27. > :36:31.tonight. The polls show in a couple of hours' time and we will bring you

:36:32. > :36:32.all the race, including what is happening in the Democratic race

:36:33. > :36:34.tomorrow. Back in Europe, migrant numbers

:36:35. > :36:37.are building up in Greece, people unable to move north and west

:36:38. > :36:40.up through Macedonia. It is beginning to look horrifyingly

:36:41. > :36:54.like a humanitarian crisis. We have the figures

:36:55. > :36:56.for February now. People coming off boats from Turkey

:36:57. > :37:02.to Lesbos as in these pictures From the islands, the new arrivals

:37:03. > :37:08.get to Athens by ferry. Here are scenes today

:37:09. > :37:10.at the passenger terminal And that is where the

:37:11. > :37:23.latest problems start. Because people get to the border

:37:24. > :37:25.with Macedonia and then 9,000 or so camping

:37:26. > :37:31.in the fields near that border. The Macedonians now tightening

:37:32. > :37:34.the border to prevent any more Well, this is causing problems

:37:35. > :37:44.for Greece as the minister for citizen protection there,

:37:45. > :37:45.Nikos Toskas, explained I started by asking him

:37:46. > :37:49.about the situation There is a serious crisis,

:37:50. > :37:55.as I said, in the area. And this serious crisis is caused

:37:56. > :37:58.by the different wars in Syria, We did not start the wars,

:37:59. > :38:07.but we are receiving the results And various people are

:38:08. > :38:16.coming with nothing. We are providing them

:38:17. > :38:22.with the basic things, But they don't want to stay

:38:23. > :38:29.in the different camps, Only a small number

:38:30. > :38:38.of refugees are passing. Yesterday only 30 people

:38:39. > :38:43.passed from the borders. So this is a serious

:38:44. > :38:48.problem but unfortunately, a few European Union countries

:38:49. > :38:53.and a few Balkan countries are not dealing with the problem in

:38:54. > :38:58.a collective and comprehensible way. You said some of them are not

:38:59. > :39:04.behaving in a collective way. Name some names

:39:05. > :39:08.for me, if you would. The previous days, a decision

:39:09. > :39:13.was taken in Vienna. And so the decision really

:39:14. > :39:24.was the borders would be closed We have a different approach,

:39:25. > :39:30.we want, as I said, We believe European countries have

:39:31. > :39:37.to share the burden, European countries can receive

:39:38. > :39:43.a number of refugees. Most of the European countries have

:39:44. > :39:46.accepted this approach, but unfortunately there are other

:39:47. > :39:51.countries taking their own path. And they're taking care only

:39:52. > :39:56.of their national interest and not the collective interest

:39:57. > :40:00.of the European Union. What can Greece do to put pressure

:40:01. > :40:05.on its European partners, what can you do to say, guys,

:40:06. > :40:08.you have to do what you have said you're going to do and you have

:40:09. > :40:12.got to help us here? Many times we requested

:40:13. > :40:17.from the European Union to deal One year ago they thought that this

:40:18. > :40:27.was only a problem which affected only the southern areas

:40:28. > :40:32.and especially Greece. Later on they realised that these

:40:33. > :40:36.flows were affecting And so they started dealing more

:40:37. > :40:45.seriously about the problem. So they started trying to find ways,

:40:46. > :40:53.to find solutions for the problem. The real solution will be the ending

:40:54. > :40:58.of the war to the areas which are the sources

:40:59. > :41:01.of the problem in Syria, One final question

:41:02. > :41:09.if you would, Minister. What effect do you think this

:41:10. > :41:13.is having on Greek society? We are receiving everyday 2,500

:41:14. > :41:19.immigrants and refugees. We are in the middle

:41:20. > :41:23.of a financial crisis, so we have two real

:41:24. > :41:27.crises in the country. The financial and

:41:28. > :41:30.the refugee problem. We cannot be the black

:41:31. > :41:33.hole of Europe. We need support from the different

:41:34. > :41:42.countries and we need a real solution for the flows

:41:43. > :41:50.and the problem. Minister Toskas, thank

:41:51. > :41:57.you very much indeed. We'll wake up to American

:41:58. > :42:01.politics I dare say, but before we go to bed,

:42:02. > :42:04.a bit of South Korea, where the filibuster to end

:42:05. > :42:06.all filibusters is still under way. Opposition MPs there protesting

:42:07. > :42:08.at anti-terrorism legislation started their attempt to talk it out

:42:09. > :42:11.back on February 23rd and they have I can't tell you what they're

:42:12. > :42:19.saying, but at this point,