02/03/2016

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:00:10. > :00:12.It's looking like Donald Trump will challenge for the White House.

:00:13. > :00:14.But can the Republican party defy their grassroots to pull off

:00:15. > :00:24.I am a unifier. Believe me I am a unifier. Once we get all of this

:00:25. > :00:27.finished, I am going to go after one person, that is Hillary Clinton.

:00:28. > :00:29.Governor Chris Christie may now be officially unified.

:00:30. > :00:33.But will the other candidates come in line?

:00:34. > :01:03.Many of us thought Super Tuesday would herred are a victor that would

:01:04. > :01:07.take the race on the White House, but it hasn't. Hillary Clinton

:01:08. > :01:13.performed well, but her rival Bernie Sanders is still in play. And on the

:01:14. > :01:17.other side, Republican moderates are sensing there may be one last chance

:01:18. > :01:22.to stop Donald Trump, but can they? And if so, how? We will ask guests

:01:23. > :01:25.in a moment but first a look at the big picture of the night.

:01:26. > :01:34.The night was Hillary Clinton's. The night was Donald Trump's.

:01:35. > :01:39.But for anyone expecting the Coronation of either candidate, it

:01:40. > :01:46.didn't come. Not quite. The picture has become more confusing, and for

:01:47. > :01:53.political wons more interesting. Bernie Sanders outperformed his poll

:01:54. > :01:59.predictions. Hilary got the other seven.

:02:00. > :02:04.And on the Republican side, although Trump won in seven states, Ted Cruz

:02:05. > :02:09.made significant inroads into his domination winning Oklahoma, Alaska

:02:10. > :02:14.and his home state of Texas. Even Rubio who had failed to take any

:02:15. > :02:20.state before last night got his first win in Minnesota. So the

:02:21. > :02:26.question now for Republicans is what happens next. Mr Donald Trump. One

:02:27. > :02:30.of the things commentators here ask is whether Donald Trump has a

:02:31. > :02:36.mandate to lead the Republican party. It may seem a strange thing

:02:37. > :02:43.to ask at this point, after so much air but when it comes down to hard

:02:44. > :02:49.facts he has only received 34% of the Republican primary vote. If Cruz

:02:50. > :02:53.and Rubio were one person, let us call them Crubio they would have

:02:54. > :02:58.beaten Trump in some places, where he won but he didn't as he might

:02:59. > :03:01.say, win Bigley. The Republican party knows that that is the

:03:02. > :03:05.problem, that Trump will only be stopped if one of the others will

:03:06. > :03:11.drop out. The trouble is, they can't choose which one.

:03:12. > :03:15.Last night, a consciously court US Ted Cruz called on all the

:03:16. > :03:21.candidates who hadn't won to pull out. Candidates, who have not won a

:03:22. > :03:27.state. Who have not racked up significant delegates. I ask you to

:03:28. > :03:34.consider our coming together. You nighted. He didn't know at this

:03:35. > :03:38.stage Rubio had taken Minnesota. There have been suggestions today,

:03:39. > :03:43.that the party may coalesce round Cruz now but even that would be with

:03:44. > :03:47.a heavy heart. One Senator Lyndsey Graham joked that if Cruz were

:03:48. > :03:51.murdered on the Senate floor, no-one would be convicted. One thing you

:03:52. > :03:55.hear that really isn't true, I mean they count everyone who doesn't, at

:03:56. > :04:02.least in the Republican primary even who doesn't vote for Trump if that

:04:03. > :04:05.is an anti-Trump vote. No, usually the supporters of other candidates

:04:06. > :04:11.of the also ran, the guy they hate the most is the front runner, the

:04:12. > :04:17.same all the colleges in the US hate Harvard the most. Once Trump is the

:04:18. > :04:22.nominee there is no evidence that the Cruz voters v Rubio voters they

:04:23. > :04:29.will go to one another. A lot of Jeb Bush's voters wented up going to

:04:30. > :04:32.Trump. The irony is it is one of their own make, they created the

:04:33. > :04:36.political phenomenon of Trump when Mitt Romney won the nomination four

:04:37. > :04:42.years ago. They called on Trump not for his policy brilliance or ideas

:04:43. > :04:47.on taxation, but for his ability to build a base that derequested the

:04:48. > :04:54.legitimacy of Obama's American identity, the argument. Mitt Romney

:04:55. > :05:00.marched to Vegas to receive Trump's benediction buzz in reality that was

:05:01. > :05:05.the moment the GOP endorsed Trump. I think they are shocked, stunned and

:05:06. > :05:09.mortified, not just embarrassed but a lot the traditional leadership is

:05:10. > :05:16.mortified by the existence and the success of Donald Trump. What he has

:05:17. > :05:20.done he has resonated with a small Swat of American voters, who are

:05:21. > :05:25.very vocal and loyal to him, but the reality is there are many people who

:05:26. > :05:30.now accept he might win the Republican nomination, I haven't met

:05:31. > :05:36.a single person who believe that he has a chance of withining -- winning

:05:37. > :05:40.the presidency. What of the slightly sorry slightly startled figure of

:05:41. > :05:44.Chris Christie in this, ens doing Trump. He will no doubt be hoping

:05:45. > :05:48.for a Vice-Presidential role if things go well. If they don't, the

:05:49. > :05:56.mainstream Republican party may look on him, their own man, as the

:05:57. > :06:01.ultimate Brutus the betrayer. What of Hillary Clinton. She is by

:06:02. > :06:05.far the most qualified candidate for the job. Major executive positions,

:06:06. > :06:09.intimate knowledge of the White House and how it works, yet not all

:06:10. > :06:13.of this is working in her favour. She is viewed as the establishment,

:06:14. > :06:17.and more Kerrouchely perhaps as the one with the most questions to

:06:18. > :06:20.answer to the electorate. Mark Urban looks as the challenges facing the

:06:21. > :06:35.democratic favourite. America it seems is going to get a

:06:36. > :06:39.clear choice. Not between left and right or what passes for that in the

:06:40. > :06:45.US, but between insider and outsider.

:06:46. > :06:49.Trump the ultimate populist insurgent, versus Clinton, steeped

:06:50. > :06:53.in the black arts of Washington, Sion of the belt way. It is

:06:54. > :06:57.certainly in any other election it would be something that really

:06:58. > :07:01.helped her. She has decades of experience in public service and in

:07:02. > :07:06.politics, in this particular campaign, in which both parties are

:07:07. > :07:09.looking for outsiders. It has become a liability to her, she has been a

:07:10. > :07:15.leader in the party for years but it is true that she is sort of a

:07:16. > :07:19.technocrat, she is a won, the things that make her a good civil servant

:07:20. > :07:23.and make the people work for her and who have worked for her really like

:07:24. > :07:27.her, are not things that necessarily lend themselves well to the

:07:28. > :07:32.campaign, so that is an unfortunate thing she has to work with. Eight

:07:33. > :07:37.years as first lady, a two term Senator and four years as America's

:07:38. > :07:40.chief diplomat. Has a record of public service, it is enormously

:07:41. > :07:44.impressive. At each stage though, access to

:07:45. > :07:51.power has brought with its controversy. From whitewater to the

:07:52. > :07:57.death of Americans in Benghazi to the question as whether of Secretary

:07:58. > :08:02.of State she sent private e-mails full of classified information He,

:08:03. > :08:05.the security clearance is unbelievably remain intact, at this

:08:06. > :08:08.time even though they are under investigation by the FBI, says is a

:08:09. > :08:12.lot about how power works in Washington, that a lot of Americans

:08:13. > :08:15.are not going to like. On a purely political front there is nothing

:08:16. > :08:20.stopping Hillary Clinton from being democratic nominee at this point.

:08:21. > :08:25.She did well on Super Tuesday. Bernie Sanders is a protest

:08:26. > :08:29.candidate, nothing more, she will be the democratic nominee unless she is

:08:30. > :08:35.arrested. We won with poorly educated. I love them. If you want

:08:36. > :08:39.to see how anger business takes its form you need look no further than

:08:40. > :08:45.the Trump campaign, and whereas somehow this contender can use

:08:46. > :08:48.highly provocative language. For the democratic front runner stirring

:08:49. > :08:52.support through competence rather this than charisma isn't always

:08:53. > :08:58.easy. You don't want the conversation to be about change. He

:08:59. > :09:06.or she, who dictates the debate in politics is the one who will win the

:09:07. > :09:08.debate. If the campaign unfolding is primarily a conversation about

:09:09. > :09:13.change, I think it benefitted Donald Trump. If the campaign moving

:09:14. > :09:19.forward is more about bringing our country together, finding common

:09:20. > :09:23.solutions to our problem, knowing, knowing policy, and knowing how to

:09:24. > :09:26.get things done for middle class American, I think Hillary Clinton

:09:27. > :09:30.will do very well, and that will be the job of her campaign, to dictate

:09:31. > :09:34.what the debate unfolding in the fall is going to be about.

:09:35. > :09:41.Last night she tried to relaunch herself, as national heal eraer this

:09:42. > :09:46.than won. I believe what we need in America today is more love and

:09:47. > :09:57.kindness. Instead of building walls we are

:09:58. > :10:01.going to bring down barriers and build... Build ladders of

:10:02. > :10:05.opportunity and empowerment. The rejection of conhaven't shulal

:10:06. > :10:09.politics has gone so broad in America it has produced a political

:10:10. > :10:12.insurgency on the left in the shape of Bernie Sanders. Hillary Clinton

:10:13. > :10:18.might have been hoping to see him off in short order, but in truth it

:10:19. > :10:25.is the very depth of her experience, which has become as much of a

:10:26. > :10:29.liability as an asset. For all too many, Washington's

:10:30. > :10:33.compromises reek of betrayals and knowledge of its ways suggests an

:10:34. > :10:37.acceptance of its faults. But of course it remains the shining prize

:10:38. > :10:48.for whoever is best able to tap America's mood.

:10:49. > :10:52.So where does the race go. Priscilla writes for the Atlantic and Scotty

:10:53. > :11:00.is one of the finder of the Tea Party news network.

:11:01. > :11:06.Did you think Trump Trump would be able to say I am the nominee? No, I

:11:07. > :11:13.didn't. You look add Texas, that was a key state, 155 delegate votes and

:11:14. > :11:19.that was where Ted Cruz put his emphasis in. You look at Oklahoma

:11:20. > :11:23.and Arkansas where you don't have cross over voters, he was going to

:11:24. > :11:27.look good in those. There is a lot of passion in the top three

:11:28. > :11:31.candidates and supporters, and they are not going to sit down today and

:11:32. > :11:35.say I give up. I knew it would go until March 15th. The real question

:11:36. > :11:42.is after then, are we going to be down to a two person race or could

:11:43. > :11:47.it be an overwhelmingly one? As soon as you saw Marco Rubio win

:11:48. > :11:50.Minnesota, Ted Cruz win Oklahoma as well as taxes a, you realise the

:11:51. > :11:57.longer they are in play, the easier it is for Donald Trump, right? Yes

:11:58. > :12:01.and no. We are seeing an interesting dynamic, to Marco Rubio, he lost

:12:02. > :12:06.Virginia, and a lot of those votes are at least over 66,000 went to

:12:07. > :12:09.John, they are looking for the establishment line to coalesce

:12:10. > :12:14.behind one candidate. They are having a hard time doing that.

:12:15. > :12:19.Donald Trump is sweeping the States and taking so many delegates, so

:12:20. > :12:24.until we have that, the two lanes deso ciphered we are having a hard

:12:25. > :12:27.time with the voters. When you look at the mainstream Republicans, if we

:12:28. > :12:31.can call them that, did you understand where they are going,

:12:32. > :12:36.what their game is? One minute they are saying we want it to be Rubio,

:12:37. > :12:41.then Cruz looks like he is going to get the most delegates so they are

:12:42. > :12:45.flip-flopping between who they are going to back. These are the people

:12:46. > :12:49.who have been the last eight years of an election cycle have controlled

:12:50. > :12:53.this party and give us more losers than we have had winners. Now they

:12:54. > :12:59.are trying to figure out who to get behind. Ion if we will see them get

:13:00. > :13:04.behind a Ted Cruz, won't get behind a Donald Trump as of now, but they

:13:05. > :13:07.created this problem, they were the ones that front loaded this primary

:13:08. > :13:11.season, thinking that I would have their candidate. It hasn't happened.

:13:12. > :13:16.They are not happy about it. Is Donald Trump as a phenomenon bigger

:13:17. > :13:22.than his numbers actually make him? When you look, the numbers who vote

:13:23. > :13:26.in the primaries are tiny, and he is only getting 34.7% of the vote. Is

:13:27. > :13:31.this whole thing overplayed when you put it to a much wider electorate?

:13:32. > :13:36.It is interesting. The early voting states, where he became the three

:13:37. > :13:41.time victor, he, those states are retail politics, they were on the

:13:42. > :13:45.ground, campaigning, but Super Tuesday rewards the media exposure,

:13:46. > :13:48.that is what we got here. From now on, forward his how much tum is

:13:49. > :13:54.driven by what people saw on Super Tuesday. You don't really sigh the

:13:55. > :13:58.attack ads They are certainly perhaps on the horizon, but that is

:13:59. > :14:04.what Super Tuesday does. I gives them that media exposure. How do you

:14:05. > :14:07.explain for example Donald Trump winning Hispanics in Nevada. That

:14:08. > :14:13.seems to be contrary to everything he said, with the Mexicans, the wall

:14:14. > :14:17.and yet he pulls in, I don't know how... When you think about it this

:14:18. > :14:21.idea of building a wall with a big door to come in, those folks that

:14:22. > :14:25.are already in the United States who have spent the tens of thousands of

:14:26. > :14:29.dollars, went through the process of getting to be a citizen, they will

:14:30. > :14:35.say why should they get it for free when I have had to put so much in

:14:36. > :14:39.and risk so much? Those of us here as children or grandchildren of

:14:40. > :14:44.immigrants that lost people on Ellis islands... Is that what Hispanics

:14:45. > :14:48.are saying? The ones that are voting, that is why you have seeing

:14:49. > :14:54.a huge crowd that like Donald Trump. Do you agree with that? It is

:14:55. > :14:59.correct. Voters, 8% of Caucasus goers were Latino, it is true that

:15:00. > :15:02.Donald Trump had a commanding lead. Now, our 8% of Caucasus goers are

:15:03. > :15:09.they going to be representative of the country? That is what we will

:15:10. > :15:15.find out. Texas is another big states for Hispanics, that is where

:15:16. > :15:19.they came out for Ted Cruz. Those people were strong on immigration,

:15:20. > :15:27.and so that is where you see that whole, it is an interesting dynamic.

:15:28. > :15:38.Before we go to the Democratic race, is Hillary Clinton out of the push

:15:39. > :15:42.or does Bernie Sanders have a chance? He is still in there but

:15:43. > :15:45.whether that translates to moving forward, we will find out. Hillary

:15:46. > :15:50.Clinton had a sweeping victory and we do not expect that to loosen up.

:15:51. > :15:53.What we have been seeking, as marker and put in his piece, is the sense

:15:54. > :15:56.that there are people on either side who do not like their own candidates

:15:57. > :16:00.or the person they think their candidate will be. Is that going to

:16:01. > :16:04.be a political cross-dressing? Are we going to seep Republicans for

:16:05. > :16:08.Hillary and Democrats for Trump because neither like what their own

:16:09. > :16:12.party has given up? You have mentioned the massive success of the

:16:13. > :16:16.Secretary of State. We estimate that almost 20,000 Democrats have crossed

:16:17. > :16:21.over, and with overwhelming numbers, we could see that justified. But the

:16:22. > :16:30.question is, is there a crossover from a Republican standpoint? These

:16:31. > :16:35.are the same blue dog Democrats that swapped over before? That Israeli

:16:36. > :16:40.hardliner. You are prepared to lose voters. Regarding cross-dressing, we

:16:41. > :16:44.will see that on immigration, perhaps, but I don't know. It is

:16:45. > :16:49.hard to predict. It is a very unpredictable race and there is

:16:50. > :16:54.anger. You see it in the polls, they are angry at the establishment. And

:16:55. > :17:00.it is all about ego. It is all about ego on both sides of the aisle. The

:17:01. > :17:03.reason that our guests have been talking about March the 15th is that

:17:04. > :17:08.is the day that Florida comes into play. Florida is crucial, white,

:17:09. > :17:14.because it is Marco Rubio's home state and that is the one where he

:17:15. > :17:18.could win big. 99 delegates up for the count. The other reason, taking

:17:19. > :17:23.your mind back to 2000, remember how tightly contested that was as a

:17:24. > :17:26.state. Florida is a game changer and they are not going to lose a

:17:27. > :17:30.candidate who could win Florida before they see how he does there.

:17:31. > :17:33.The EU has announced it will disburse 700 million euros

:17:34. > :17:35.in emergency aid to help member countries cope with the migrant

:17:36. > :17:37.crisis, and to quell increasingly violent scenes -

:17:38. > :17:43.particularly on Greece's northern border with Macedonia.

:17:44. > :17:46.However the news has not brought early relief for the more than ten

:17:47. > :17:48.thousand migrants there living in dreadful conditions.

:17:49. > :17:51.Only a small number of Syrians and Iraqis were let

:17:52. > :17:54.through the closed border - fewer than 300, when it was

:17:55. > :18:06.Gabriel Gatehouse is in Thessaloniki tonight.

:18:07. > :18:12.Kirsty, 700 million euros is the kind of money that Europe usually

:18:13. > :18:17.reserves for tackling humanitarian emergencies in war zones, disaster

:18:18. > :18:21.zones. They are making it clear that this money is not coming out of the

:18:22. > :18:27.pot that it usually uses for relief outside of the EU, but the size of

:18:28. > :18:29.this money does make it clear how seriously they are taking this

:18:30. > :18:33.migration crisis and also it underlines the fact that they are

:18:34. > :18:42.not expecting this migration crisis to let up any time soon.

:18:43. > :18:49.But is there an EU wide strategy for dealing with the migration crisis?

:18:50. > :18:53.Does this signify a new Europe? We are now way clearer to that. You can

:18:54. > :18:56.throw as much money as this crisis as you like, as many tents and

:18:57. > :19:00.shelters and meals for the hundreds of thousands coming here, but that

:19:01. > :19:05.is not going to stop the people from wanting to come here. Some people

:19:06. > :19:09.say that it might even encourage more people to want to come but what

:19:10. > :19:13.we are not seeing is any kind of unified strategy from the EU to try

:19:14. > :19:17.to tackle this problem at the root. On Monday, there will be a big

:19:18. > :19:23.meeting between the EU and Turkey to try to persuade the Turks yet again

:19:24. > :19:26.to limit the border crossings from Greece into Turkey, but more

:19:27. > :19:30.importantly, perhaps, there is no strategy for what to do with the

:19:31. > :19:34.migrants still coming, and who are there already. The Greeks and the

:19:35. > :19:38.Germans want some kind of quota system, mandatory quarters that will

:19:39. > :19:42.be taken by all the member states, with many member states including

:19:43. > :19:45.Britain adamantly against this. Others are following suit, most

:19:46. > :19:49.notably Austria, who have been limiting the numbers coming in. That

:19:50. > :19:53.has had a trickle-down effect all the way here to the Greek and

:19:54. > :19:57.Macedonian border, where we are seeing this big build-up of people

:19:58. > :20:02.at the border, just about an hour north.

:20:03. > :20:08.Not to this journey, nor to the constant stream of people

:20:09. > :20:18.They are making their way towards a frontier that

:20:19. > :20:27.Many have come from Syria, or from Iraq.

:20:28. > :20:39.Somewhere at the end of this road they believe lies a promised land.

:20:40. > :20:42.But Europe itself is in crisis, as it struggles to figure out

:20:43. > :20:53.At the border, a tent city has sprung up, and it is growing fast.

:20:54. > :20:56.Today's promise of EU money is perhaps a sticking plaster,

:20:57. > :20:58.but with hundreds, maybe thousands arriving every day,

:20:59. > :21:07.In two or three weeks we will have 100,000 people in Greece.

:21:08. > :21:10.So it means that European countries will have to take a decision.

:21:11. > :21:13.I know today there is a meeting in order to give some money

:21:14. > :21:17.for Greece, but it is more than this, it is to find a common

:21:18. > :21:18.solution among the different countries, in order

:21:19. > :21:25.Greece wants EU member states to agree on a quota system

:21:26. > :21:30.So does Germany, which took in more than one million people last year.

:21:31. > :21:35.But the countries in between do not agree.

:21:36. > :21:37.On the Macedonian side of the border today,

:21:38. > :21:44.we saw police from Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Austria.

:21:45. > :21:49.Their aim is to keep the migrants out.

:21:50. > :21:53."Save our children, open the borders", they chant.

:21:54. > :21:56.Two days ago, they forced their way through this fence, only to be

:21:57. > :21:59.pushed back by the Macedonian riot police, who fired tear gas

:22:00. > :22:18.I am not from Daesh, I am not from al-Nusra,

:22:19. > :22:26.I am just a man, I have children, want to live in peace.

:22:27. > :22:28.After the incident on Monday, Macedonia closed the

:22:29. > :22:35.As a crowd gathered at the crossing this morning, tempers began to fray.

:22:36. > :22:38.It looks like they are preparing to let a small number through.

:22:39. > :22:41.Only about 100 or so, the police say here.

:22:42. > :22:49.Meanwhile, there are hundreds upon hundreds arriving all the time.

:22:50. > :22:51.Of the handful we saw cross, most were immediately sent back,

:22:52. > :22:53.either because they weren't from Iraq or Syria,

:22:54. > :22:57.or because their papers weren't in order.

:22:58. > :23:00.The Greek Prime Minister has warned his country is becoming

:23:01. > :23:02.a warehouse of souls, trapped, half way along

:23:03. > :23:15.As the numbers build up, so does the tension.

:23:16. > :23:20.They are saying a woman just tried to set herself on fire just now.

:23:21. > :23:24.They carry her off in search of a doctor.

:23:25. > :23:26.Her children have already crossed the border, friends tell us.

:23:27. > :23:33.For her, the waiting has become too much.

:23:34. > :23:36.An estimated 40% of the people waiting to cross at the border

:23:37. > :23:44.This couple spent thousands of euros to get this far from their home

:23:45. > :23:50.All of this uncertainty is beginning to take its toll on them,

:23:51. > :23:58.Because you left everything, your memories, your family,

:23:59. > :24:00.because my mum is still there, my sister is still there,

:24:01. > :24:11.When we decide to come, only for future of our kids.

:24:12. > :24:13.Did you expect it to be like this?

:24:14. > :24:21.Expected it would be better, because we hear that maybe we stay

:24:22. > :24:23.here only three hours, or one day, and not too

:24:24. > :24:29.We hope they can, the European Union, they can take

:24:30. > :24:34.Because we are already crossing the border.

:24:35. > :24:40.It is not just the migrants and the refugees who

:24:41. > :24:45.It is being felt here in Greece, and beyond this border fence,

:24:46. > :24:53.There must be something so tantalising about these tracks,

:24:54. > :25:02.one single railway network connecting the whole of Europe.

:25:03. > :25:04.But this is potentially the most serious crisis to face

:25:05. > :25:10.At the moment, it's simply failing to provide an answer.

:25:11. > :25:14.This country is in the grip of a crippling economic crisis.

:25:15. > :25:24.It surely cannot cope with this influx on its own.

:25:25. > :25:27.But the other nations of the EU, also weary of austerity,

:25:28. > :25:29.are implacably divided over how much they can,

:25:30. > :25:34.It's being heralded as a great scientific breakthrough -

:25:35. > :25:44.It's called IRF4 and you can bet your bottom dollar women,

:25:45. > :25:46.in particular, will soon be bombarded with drug products

:25:47. > :26:02.But why is grey such a problem, equated with decrepitude rather

:26:03. > :26:06.It's a subject close to the heart of Mary Beard, who I'll be

:26:07. > :26:09.But first, when many young women are actively embracing grey,

:26:10. > :26:13.why is it such a big no-no for many of the rest of us?

:26:14. > :26:25.How would it feel if I was grey for a day?

:26:26. > :26:37.Next, up to the Newsnight office. My goodness! Wasn't really that

:26:38. > :26:41.shocking? So why is it that so many women just won't risk grave. The big

:26:42. > :26:47.story is that grey does not suit them. They were born with a natural

:26:48. > :26:50.colour and the grey starts to come through and it makes them feel like

:26:51. > :27:07.they are getting older. The ones that youthful Shane back in their

:27:08. > :27:10.hair. -- youthful Shane. Can Franklin, the fashion industry

:27:11. > :27:14.specialist, has been great since her early 30s, so what she make of the

:27:15. > :27:21.announcement that scientists have discovered a grey Jean? I have to

:27:22. > :27:25.daughters and we know as of today that part of the reason is genetic.

:27:26. > :27:32.If you were able to screen it out, to take a magical pill, what would

:27:33. > :27:37.you have done? My oldest daughter is 23 and she says that she better get

:27:38. > :27:41.a white streak or else. I hope I have got your package, ma'am, is

:27:42. > :27:46.what she says. She has seen it and sees that it is distinctive but she

:27:47. > :27:48.has also seen her friends in their early 20s say to me, I love your

:27:49. > :28:05.hair. For one enterprising young woman, Gray was a

:28:06. > :28:09.brilliant business idea. I built my business on grey. It was the first

:28:10. > :28:14.hair colour we ever did and I did it as a teenager on people in my

:28:15. > :28:18.bathroom at home. On other teenagers? Yes, people working in

:28:19. > :28:22.the fashion industry. And it kind of kick-started the bleach empire. Do

:28:23. > :28:26.you think there is a double standard between men and women going great?

:28:27. > :28:29.Yes, there is a double standard with all ageing. Men become more

:28:30. > :28:35.attractive and more intelligent as they get older, there is the Silver

:28:36. > :28:42.fox but there is no silver vixen. Maybe we are following this trend

:28:43. > :28:49.and we will start that. Time to find a silver fox. Where would he be but

:28:50. > :28:53.in the make-up chair? A silver fox in his den. The Queen of Scotland

:28:54. > :29:02.has arrived. Is this all your own colour? I have been a silver fox

:29:03. > :29:06.since I was 35. Not so long ago. And you have never been under pressure?

:29:07. > :29:10.Do you think the standards are different? What women in television

:29:11. > :29:16.are great? You look good grey but what is wrong with that? It is very

:29:17. > :29:19.itchy. Is it self-imposed pressure? I think some of my male colleagues

:29:20. > :29:24.will dye their hair because they think they look better. Otherwise

:29:25. > :29:29.why do it? Or is it a pressure thing to look younger? Name names. I can't

:29:30. > :29:36.but some of them are no longer working in this country. The US

:29:37. > :29:42.elections are very interesting, don't you think? I have been

:29:43. > :29:45.exploring how different people have reacted to women with grey hair and

:29:46. > :29:49.we have had some interesting social media reaction to my hair. This is

:29:50. > :29:56.the female equivalent of a middle-aged man turning up to work

:29:57. > :30:02.in a Harley-Davidson. Nice to see Andy water hole back on our screens.

:30:03. > :30:05.That was what I thought! The female equivalent of Paxman's beard.

:30:06. > :30:19.Subverting the male domination of the broadcasters, good going. All

:30:20. > :30:22.good fun, but Mary Beard, this is not just a funny issue. Why is it

:30:23. > :30:25.that women feel so compelled? We will talk about the scientific

:30:26. > :30:28.evidence in a minute. Why is it? Were talking about this on the

:30:29. > :30:32.programme I have been making, which goes out on Friday morning. That is

:30:33. > :30:35.a consistent refrain, I don't want to look old, I want to look younger

:30:36. > :30:43.and I thought that if I was grey, people would not notice me. I would

:30:44. > :30:49.no longer be a human, noticeable person. What I think is really

:30:50. > :30:55.interesting about that is partly what you are showing us, because I

:30:56. > :31:01.think you look just the same age as when you have your other colour

:31:02. > :31:05.here. And I don't think you look, in fact I think you look more

:31:06. > :31:11.impressive and authoritative. You don't look like granny sitting by

:31:12. > :31:15.the fire. I think first of all there is a kind of misunderstanding of

:31:16. > :31:20.what going grey does to you. Illion people last year, the but the

:31:21. > :31:23.countries in between do not agree. On the Macedonian side o It has been

:31:24. > :31:27.going on for many year, there are Roman women 2,000 years ago who used

:31:28. > :31:34.to do what we do, pull the first grey hairs out and think I am going

:31:35. > :31:38.to go bald. If the 16th century, witches, long grey hair but you

:31:39. > :31:45.know, otherness. But I think you have two things going on here. One

:31:46. > :31:53.is a sense that grey signals old and I don't want to be old, but I think

:31:54. > :31:57.that relates to, to a bigger issue about ageing, whether it is in

:31:58. > :32:03.public or whether it is in the workplace, and, and in a sense, it

:32:04. > :32:08.relates to a kind of problem about how old women in particular should

:32:09. > :32:13.feel that they can be. Look I am 61, this is what a 61-year-old woman

:32:14. > :32:17.looks like, I am fine with that. And if I were to colour my hair, what I

:32:18. > :32:23.would be saying, is, I don't want to be what I am. And I am happy to be

:32:24. > :32:29.what I am. It is interesting because you can count on two hands the men

:32:30. > :32:35.in the BBC who have grey hair and Narey a woman among them. Is it self

:32:36. > :32:40.imposed attitudes or is there an attitude to women who are grey and

:32:41. > :32:47.the perception of them on the media? Think that it is classic gender

:32:48. > :32:55.divide like we were hearing, like you get an old craggy silver fox,

:32:56. > :32:59.sits on the television, reads the news, compares discussions, with

:33:00. > :33:04.authority. And the fear is, I think I am really interesting in seeing

:33:05. > :33:09.you like you are like tonight, it is undermining that fear, the fear is a

:33:10. > :33:13.woman having grey share, she just looks, it works against her

:33:14. > :33:17.authority. She looks like somebody we don't have to notice any more.

:33:18. > :33:21.So, there is two things happening as well. The whole kind of air and make

:33:22. > :33:27.up industry, feeds into this notion of do anything to get rid of the

:33:28. > :33:31.grey, that then is compounded by the scientific research which says that

:33:32. > :33:36.there will be very soon a therapy because it is genetic which will get

:33:37. > :33:40.rid of the grey. Do you think there is setting up backwards? I think it

:33:41. > :33:46.is keeping us at the same place. What do we do? We rinse or tint or

:33:47. > :33:51.colour, to get rid of the grey, in ten, 20, 30 Greers time, if we are

:33:52. > :33:56.rich, we will take some genetic treatment which will stop us going

:33:57. > :34:01.grey. Actually I want to say come on, this is going grey, it is not

:34:02. > :34:06.about your genes it is about getting mature. But, when you talk to the

:34:07. > :34:10.hairdresser in the salon who said, the problem is that women, because

:34:11. > :34:14.of how they are viewed, do not have any confidence they want, and they

:34:15. > :34:20.feel, and also they feel invisible. That is true. That is about

:34:21. > :34:24.education in schools about programme, the way they are treated

:34:25. > :34:30.in the Health Service, how they get on in their daily lives. The trouble

:34:31. > :34:34.is more prominent women decide to colour their hair because that is

:34:35. > :34:42.the only way they can see they can make it in their careers, the more

:34:43. > :34:47.the problem is compounded. You know, there are some good models.

:34:48. > :34:53.Christine Lagarde and you can say, look, you can be, alxxxx actually

:34:54. > :34:58.you can be grey, powerful, interesting, dynamic, but unless

:34:59. > :35:03.more people do it, it, and let it go grey, then, we will all be stuck

:35:04. > :35:08.saying my goodness me, should I just cs I am time expired. Do you feel

:35:09. > :35:15.you are defined by your grey? Not you personally but people that don't

:35:16. > :35:20.know you define you by your grey? I think grey is... You are about to do

:35:21. > :35:25.a programme about civilisation? Grey is part of it. The interesting

:35:26. > :35:29.thing, people have fixated on grey hair as the sign. You go into the

:35:30. > :35:34.room, who, is grey, you know the grey vixens and foxes out there,

:35:35. > :35:40.actually if you look at somebody, being old, isn't just about grey

:35:41. > :35:45.hair, it is about a series of disadvantages, a series of changing

:35:46. > :35:50.of the skin, the creaky knees, it is also, there is something liberating

:35:51. > :35:54.about being old, you know, you are, you grow thicker Sven skin, you are

:35:55. > :35:58.more confident, you know more. If that is not valued that is the

:35:59. > :36:04.problem. But we are not going to make it valued if all the people who

:36:05. > :36:08.are really powerful, older women, try to disguise the fact they are

:36:09. > :36:13.older women, by colouring their hair. Interestingly speaking to Alex

:36:14. > :36:18.who made her first business breakthrough by grey but grey for

:36:19. > :36:23.teenagers, the reason they embraced it was because it was an home

:36:24. > :36:27.imagine to older women. By the time she gets to 20 she is too old. She

:36:28. > :36:31.has to go back. It's a youth thing and then a much older thing. One

:36:32. > :36:36.thing you have to realise, is it isn't just women, I mean, there

:36:37. > :36:41.is... Men don't want to talk about hair die do they? It is try, I think

:36:42. > :36:46.-- Dai There is a gender difference, you can be the craggy older man with

:36:47. > :36:54.the white hair. We know! It is difficult. No-one calls a woman

:36:55. > :37:02.craggy. We are wrinkly. The thing that surprised me, was first finding

:37:03. > :37:05.out the number of men who did colour their hair, and then the almost

:37:06. > :37:09.minuscule, the minuscule number of any of them, as you say who were

:37:10. > :37:14.prepared to talk about it. One thing I think that is good for women, and

:37:15. > :37:18.it is an advantage is we can chat about it. You can put a wig on, we

:37:19. > :37:22.can talk about whether we do, whether we don't, whether I would

:37:23. > :37:29.like pink streaks, whatever, it is something which is out there, it is

:37:30. > :37:35.discussible, we eventually, after trying, man after man after man, who

:37:36. > :37:39.we knew dam well coloured their hair, I couldn't possibly come on

:37:40. > :37:44.the radio, we eventually found one, one, to come out on the radio. I

:37:45. > :37:48.thought, well actually poor dears, you know, we spend a lot of time

:37:49. > :37:53.thinking that women, you know, you know, are the underclass in this

:37:54. > :37:58.hair business and in some ways they are, but you know, the men can't

:37:59. > :38:00.even talk about it. They talk about it on your programme One of them

:38:01. > :38:04.does. Thank you very much indeed. And you can hear Mary's Beard's

:38:05. > :38:07.programme, Glad to be Grey, on Radio Four on Friday

:38:08. > :38:15.morning at 11am. Quick look at The Papers and of

:38:16. > :38:17.course it is on Super Tuesday. ELLOW One of them does. Thank you very

:38:18. > :38:20.much indeed. Quick look at The Papers and of course it is on Super

:38:21. > :38:23.Tuesday. ELLOW One of them does. Thank you very much indeed. Quick

:38:24. > :38:25.look at The Papers and of course it is on Super Tuesday. Donald the

:38:26. > :38:28."Hair" apparent. Trump takes aim at Republican establishment. The

:38:29. > :38:34.Guardian Rolls-Royce warns its staff of Brexit risk.

:38:35. > :38:35.And finally, on the Daily Telegraph sturgeon's council tax raid and a

:38:36. > :38:40.picture of that footballer. We leave you with news that this

:38:41. > :38:43.June, the Tate Modern is to mount a retrospective of the art

:38:44. > :38:45.of Georgia O'Keeffe. It's hoped that the exhibition

:38:46. > :38:47.will challenge the widely asserted belief, always dismissed

:38:48. > :38:49.by the artist herself, that her famous flower paintings

:38:50. > :38:51.were just thinly disguised Here's a few of them -

:38:52. > :40:10.paintings, that is - Good afternoon. Wednesday was

:40:11. > :40:12.certainly a cold day for many of us, we had a bit of everything from