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:00:00. > :00:08.On Thursday, Britain goes to the polls, after perhaps the most

:00:09. > :00:16.bonkers build up to a vote that anyone can remember.

:00:17. > :00:22.Labour has to deal with rows over anti-semitism and maybe

:00:23. > :00:29.Each of the parties is in a bit of trouble themselves.

:00:30. > :00:30.The Conservatives are divided over Europe.

:00:31. > :00:32.Labour are divided over the Corbyn leadership.

:00:33. > :00:35.No one really knows if the Lib Dems are divided or not,

:00:36. > :00:38.there are so few of them that nobody is really paying attention any more.

:00:39. > :00:41.And Ukip are having trouble really finding a role in the post-EU

:00:42. > :00:44.We'll be looking at how to judge the results,

:00:45. > :00:46.and examining Labour's prospects in particular

:00:47. > :00:52.The grand vision of a united continent.

:00:53. > :00:58.Is this theme park what it's reduced to?

:00:59. > :01:00.Have the EU's founding fathers' visions has been delivered.

:01:01. > :01:03.Maybe it was a bit naive, but we thought we were

:01:04. > :01:05.in the position to change European history.

:01:06. > :01:13.Sounds a bit stupid, but we believed in that.

:01:14. > :01:18.The Newsnight take on Leicester's success: we hear from a City

:01:19. > :01:28.If you look at many of the great successes of our time it's because

:01:29. > :01:38.other people underestimated them. The day after tomorrow,

:01:39. > :01:45.everybody in the country Parliaments or Assemblies

:01:46. > :01:49.in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland,

:01:50. > :01:53.councils across England and Wales, mayors in London and three other

:01:54. > :01:58.big cities, and Police and Crime Commissioners in much

:01:59. > :02:03.of England and Wales too. It is a British Super-Thursday,

:02:04. > :02:03.a rare comprehensive test of the voter's views away

:02:04. > :02:06.from a general election. But politics is in a

:02:07. > :02:08.weird place right now. Who'd have thought the Conservatives

:02:09. > :02:10.would be running close And that there could be as much

:02:11. > :02:16.fighting within the big parties For Labour, this is

:02:17. > :02:22.a particularly awkward time, So all in all, a good moment

:02:23. > :02:29.for our new political editor, He'll tell us not just what,

:02:30. > :02:41.but how and why as well. You've been on the campaign trail,

:02:42. > :02:45.what news, what noise? Yes, I've been focusing today mainly on the

:02:46. > :02:50.Labour Party. What I've learned tonight is that Sadiq Khan, who may

:02:51. > :02:55.well achieve Labour's only real success on Thursday in the London

:02:56. > :02:58.mayor or contest, his plan if he wins is that he will mark that

:02:59. > :03:03.victory without Jeremy Corbyn by his side. Sadiq Khan is taking nothing

:03:04. > :03:08.for granted, those votes have not been passed yet and nothing is

:03:09. > :03:13.inevitable. But the plan is that in the immediate aftermath of a

:03:14. > :03:20.victory, we would not see Jeremy Corbyn by his side. When Boris

:03:21. > :03:24.Johnson won in 2008, and 2012, there was David Cameron by his side,

:03:25. > :03:28.getting a mandate only bettered in Europe by the president of France.

:03:29. > :03:33.Sadiq Khan has run his own campaign and he wants to show that if he

:03:34. > :03:38.wins. So he has some reservations about how much of an asset Jeremy

:03:39. > :03:42.Corbyn is to him. More generally, how far do those concerns go? These

:03:43. > :03:46.concerns do run through the Shadow Cabinet. I was speaking to one

:03:47. > :03:51.member to Julia Day who said that Sadiq Khan has shown how you win by

:03:52. > :03:56.building coalitions, and Jeremy Corbyn is showing how you lose.

:03:57. > :04:03.There are concerns about the election poster launched today. It

:04:04. > :04:08.was felt that was a little bit divisive, a little bit harsh. What

:04:09. > :04:11.that means, on everyone's lips in the Labour Party at the moment is

:04:12. > :04:14.the future leadership of their party.

:04:15. > :04:19.The May sunshine brought out a mood of optimism among Jeremy Corbyn

:04:20. > :04:25.supporters this morning as the Labour Party unveiled its English

:04:26. > :04:28.council election post in Southwark. After a rocky week for the

:04:29. > :04:33.leadership, Labour's director of strategy and communications was on

:04:34. > :04:39.hand to reinforce the message of party unity. Thursday's vote will be

:04:40. > :04:44.the first national test of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. No official

:04:45. > :04:47.opposition has lost seats in English local election outside a general

:04:48. > :04:52.election year since 1985 and today he insisted he would not be breaking

:04:53. > :04:57.the record. We will not lose seats, we are looking to gain seats where

:04:58. > :05:00.we can. These elections are being fought on the issues of every

:05:01. > :05:04.different community around the country and a record of what this

:05:05. > :05:08.government is about. Politics is throwing up all sorts of unusual

:05:09. > :05:13.conundrums. Net gains from Labour are unlikely but not out of the

:05:14. > :05:19.question. If Labour lose more than 150 seats, that is bad news for

:05:20. > :05:23.them. If they gain more than 150, that's really good news. If they

:05:24. > :05:27.hold onto what they've got at the moment that's a perfectly fine day

:05:28. > :05:34.at the office. It is a year to the day since Ed Miliband unveiled what

:05:35. > :05:39.came to be known as the Ed Stone. The party's poor result in 2015

:05:40. > :05:44.ended his leadership. Could a bad showing on Thursday do the same for

:05:45. > :05:49.Corbyn? There are many, possibly even a majority of Labour MPs who

:05:50. > :05:53.would dearly like to see Jeremy Corbyn go, but there are notes and

:05:54. > :05:57.there are divisions. Nerves that Jeremy Corbyn's overwhelming mandate

:05:58. > :06:01.means he could emerge even stronger from a challenge, and divisions over

:06:02. > :06:06.the trigger for a contest. Some say it would take a vote to leave in the

:06:07. > :06:10.EU referendum. Even if die-hard critics say that three conditions

:06:11. > :06:14.would have to be met. First, five members of the Shadow Cabinet would

:06:15. > :06:19.have to resign. Secondly, deputy leader Tom Watson would have to

:06:20. > :06:24.offer his tacit support. Thirdly the chief Rip must not stand in the way.

:06:25. > :06:30.All in all that looks like a pretty tall order at the moment. The ultras

:06:31. > :06:33.who would like to see Corbyn removed immediately have confident to

:06:34. > :06:36.Newsnight a Sun report that the veteran Labour MP Margaret Hodge

:06:37. > :06:41.would be an ideal candidate to challenge the Labour leader. But all

:06:42. > :06:46.eyes are on Corbyn's long-standing ally John McDonnell. Senior

:06:47. > :06:53.backbenchers say privately they think he is sizing up his chances.

:06:54. > :06:56.But he insists he is standing by his friends. Although allies are leaving

:06:57. > :07:00.no one in any doubt that he believes Corbyn was slow off the mark in

:07:01. > :07:06.dealing with the crisis over alleged anti-Semitism in the party. It looks

:07:07. > :07:09.like Sadiq Khan may provide the only prospect of good news for Jeremy

:07:10. > :07:14.Corbyn on super Thursday. The Labour leader will be hoping he wins

:07:15. > :07:24.because of rejection by voters in London or a wing by the Leave side

:07:25. > :07:27.are likely to be the only triggers for a challenge this side of the

:07:28. > :07:29.Labour conference. Jonathan Ashworth,

:07:30. > :07:38.Labour's Shadow Minister Your leader said we are not going to

:07:39. > :07:42.lose any seats. Do you agree? Of course I share Jeremy's confidence

:07:43. > :07:45.and enthusiasm about the elections this Thursday. I have been on lots

:07:46. > :07:49.of programmes like these in the past and I'm afraid I don't make any

:07:50. > :07:53.predictions about what we will win or lose ahead of the polls opening.

:07:54. > :07:57.I don't want you to make a prediction, there are other people

:07:58. > :08:01.who can do that. I guess I'm trying to work out what would constitute

:08:02. > :08:06.success or failure. Presumably if you lost seats, that would be quite

:08:07. > :08:09.a disaster? I don't want to see us losing seats and I don't think any

:08:10. > :08:14.Labour Party member wants to see us losing seats. I know that Labour

:08:15. > :08:18.Party councillors and Labour Party parliamentarians in the assembly and

:08:19. > :08:21.the parliament that are fighting for real action do a tremendous job

:08:22. > :08:26.serving their constituents and I don't want to seek any of them fail

:08:27. > :08:30.to be returned to office. Said that would be a bad place for Labour?

:08:31. > :08:35.Some predictions are that they would lose 150, that would clearly be a

:08:36. > :08:39.crisis? As I say, I've been plenty of programmes ahead of elections.

:08:40. > :08:43.Your leader says you will not lose any seats. We in the Labour Party

:08:44. > :08:47.are running a positive campaign, out there on the doorstep over time,

:08:48. > :08:51.talking to people about issues as I have been quite a lot recently, and

:08:52. > :08:55.when I talk to people about the issues, they want to talk about the

:08:56. > :08:59.state of their local hospital, schools, the services that council

:09:00. > :09:02.delivers. You cannot make an optimistic prediction and not then

:09:03. > :09:08.say it's disappointing if we don't make it on the day. Is the evidence

:09:09. > :09:12.at this point that the party is struggling to break through? Let me

:09:13. > :09:16.put this to you: Jeremy Corbyn won the leadership, and many argued that

:09:17. > :09:20.he would connect with some Labour voters better than some of the other

:09:21. > :09:25.candidates. I'm just wondering whether you think that has actually

:09:26. > :09:29.happened? Well, Jeremy Corbyn did win the leadership quite handsomely,

:09:30. > :09:34.and he has a mandate from the Labour Party members to get us back into

:09:35. > :09:39.power. We all want to see us winning elections. I'm detecting a bit of

:09:40. > :09:46.resistance to the proposition that he has connected with voters. In

:09:47. > :09:49.Scotland tilting left will win voters, they said, but now you are

:09:50. > :09:55.computing with the Tories for second or third place, is that narrative

:09:56. > :09:59.working, that Corbyn connects? Lets do the post-match analysis when the

:10:00. > :10:03.match has actually been played. The one election we have had was the old

:10:04. > :10:06.by-election last autumn. I remember coming on some other programmes like

:10:07. > :10:10.this where similar questions were asked and we ended up winning that

:10:11. > :10:15.by-election with a substantial majority. The Tories have had a

:10:16. > :10:20.pretty torrid time, crises over tax, steel, tax credits, all these

:10:21. > :10:24.things. And yet it doesn't feel as though Labour are where they should

:10:25. > :10:29.be, let alone with a leader who has this special power of connection.

:10:30. > :10:33.The Labour Party suffered quite a catastrophic defeat at the general

:10:34. > :10:37.election last year. I think the Labour Party has a mountain to climb

:10:38. > :10:41.to win an election in 2020. I want to see us making progress but I

:10:42. > :10:45.don't think anybody would expect us to completely turn things around in

:10:46. > :10:48.12 months. The key thing is the Tories are having a torrid time.

:10:49. > :10:53.When I'm talking to people on the doorstep as I am every week and

:10:54. > :10:56.indeed if we weren't celebrating Leicester's great victory in my

:10:57. > :11:03.constituency, we would have been talking to them today. The issues

:11:04. > :11:06.always come down to tax credit cuts, schools, which people are deeply

:11:07. > :11:10.concerned about, the fact that you can hardly get to see a GP and

:11:11. > :11:14.waiting lists are going up, these are the issues people are generally

:11:15. > :11:19.raising with us on the doorstep. Leadership challenge, what would be

:11:20. > :11:23.your message to people briefing papers, talking up Margaret Hodge as

:11:24. > :11:29.a candidate, what is your message? It's not going to happen, is it?

:11:30. > :11:32.It's off. I think it was Tom Watson who said people should just come

:11:33. > :11:36.down. I don't think anything like this will happen. Party members have

:11:37. > :11:42.given Jeremy and mandate to get us back into power, that's what they

:11:43. > :11:47.want to do. OK. Just got to go to the anti-Semitism row. I'm not clear

:11:48. > :11:53.what the narrative is. Is it that there is not an anti-Semitism

:11:54. > :11:57.problem? And it is a smear? To try to undermine the leader? Or is it

:11:58. > :12:01.that there is an anti-Semitism problem? I've been a member of the

:12:02. > :12:06.Labour Party for 22 years since I was 15, we are not anti-Semitic

:12:07. > :12:15.party, we abhor anti-Semitism. We are resolute against it. Individuals

:12:16. > :12:19.have been posting disgusting things on social media, one high-profile

:12:20. > :12:23.individual saying outrageous ins. When we are presented with that

:12:24. > :12:26.evidence, we suspend them. There is no place for those views in the

:12:27. > :12:33.Labour Party and we are clear on that. In the last few days there has

:12:34. > :12:37.been a problem which is why Jeremy Corbyn stepped in. Overall the

:12:38. > :12:39.Labour Party is not an anti-Semitic party, but where we are confronted

:12:40. > :12:45.with these problems we deal with them and send the message that they

:12:46. > :12:48.are not welcome. You tried to draw a line under it by setting up the

:12:49. > :12:51.panel, and there have been murmurings and rows about the

:12:52. > :12:55.composition of that panel, there is one Jewish member who some say has

:12:56. > :13:03.already said that these charges of anti-Semitism are baseless, I

:13:04. > :13:08.believe the president of the board of British Jews has told us about

:13:09. > :13:12.that. He is worried about that. I wonder whether there is still a row

:13:13. > :13:17.on going on this whole thing. Let me say this, I am a member of the

:13:18. > :13:19.Labour Party's National executive committee, I am disgusted by

:13:20. > :13:23.anti-Semitism and I am resolute in my opposition to it. I will do all I

:13:24. > :13:27.can as a member of the National executive committee to ensure that

:13:28. > :13:31.these various enquiries are conducted in a way which meets the

:13:32. > :13:32.confidence of the people concerned. Jonathan Ashworth, thanks very much

:13:33. > :13:35.indeed. Well we all know that while this

:13:36. > :13:37.Thursday is important, there is another vote coming along

:13:38. > :13:40.on Thursday, June 23rd, which will have a big shape

:13:41. > :13:42.on party politics too. To help you think about the EU,

:13:43. > :13:45.we're taking a step back this week, with three films that look

:13:46. > :13:47.at the grand vision of the EU founding fathers,

:13:48. > :13:50.and what has been achieved. The themes of peace and prosperity

:13:51. > :13:53.were to be delivered by among other things,

:13:54. > :13:54.ever closer union, free movement of people

:13:55. > :13:57.and monetary union. Well, we sent our reporter

:13:58. > :14:01.Gabriel Gatehouse in search If the European Union has

:14:02. > :14:21.a birthplace, then it is here. In this little cottage in a woodland

:14:22. > :14:27.west of Paris. If the EU has a founding father then

:14:28. > :14:32.it is this man. In the broken remains

:14:33. > :14:40.of post-war Europe, together with a trusted circle of advisers,

:14:41. > :14:49.over coffee and cognac and fireside chats, they dreamed of a continent

:14:50. > :14:53.prosperous and at peace. Jean Monnet had

:14:54. > :14:56.a vision in this house. And from here he set the whole

:14:57. > :15:00.European project in motion. But what has become

:15:01. > :15:03.of that original vision? Over the next three nights we're

:15:04. > :15:06.going to be asking what state of health is the European

:15:07. > :15:19.dream in today? To bind the economies

:15:20. > :15:25.of Europe so tightly that war He took his plan to

:15:26. > :15:29.the French Foreign Minister. Together they formulated the Schuman

:15:30. > :15:49.Declaration. Those early Europe builders began

:15:50. > :15:52.by pooling production of coal and steel, it was the first step

:15:53. > :15:57.towards that de facto solidarity. It would lead, they hoped,

:15:58. > :16:03.to a federation of Europe. There are not many of that

:16:04. > :16:11.generation left today, but in an apartment in the 17th

:16:12. > :16:13.arrondissement of Georges Berthoin is the last

:16:14. > :16:20.surviving member of Jean Monnet's original cabinet at the European

:16:21. > :16:25.Coal and Steel Community. It was the first institution

:16:26. > :16:27.out of which would grow The dream was to make peace

:16:28. > :16:36.among European countries Then there was another element,

:16:37. > :16:46.the element was prosperity. So the problem was not only

:16:47. > :16:49.to rebuild Europe but to modernise Europe and in this respect

:16:50. > :16:54.we were looking at the example of the United States

:16:55. > :16:59.of America and especially Peace and prosperity,

:17:00. > :17:10.that was the goal. Five years later, six countries

:17:11. > :17:13.would sign the Treaty of Rome, establishing

:17:14. > :17:18.the European Economic Community. The ambition was for

:17:19. > :17:24.a much closer union. The Schuman Declaration

:17:25. > :17:26.was the first step towards When we started, we thought

:17:27. > :17:37.we were going to start something and we thought at the time

:17:38. > :17:39.that we were going to accede to all things including political

:17:40. > :17:49.development, within ten years. And so it happened that France

:17:50. > :17:59.and Germany formed the central And they enjoyed decades

:18:00. > :18:02.of peace and prosperity. A de facto solidarity

:18:03. > :18:08.among member nations. This is Breisach on

:18:09. > :18:12.the Rhine in Germany. Across the river, Neuf-Brisach in

:18:13. > :18:17.France. The French built these

:18:18. > :18:19.fortifications to guard against These two towns that saw three wars

:18:20. > :18:28.in 70 years are now the heartland Here then are two towns

:18:29. > :18:37.from opposite banks of the Rhine. They are living together in peace,

:18:38. > :18:40.their citizens can travel freely backwards and forwards

:18:41. > :18:44.across this bridge. And whatever side they happen

:18:45. > :18:47.to find themselves on, they can pay for stuff

:18:48. > :18:50.in a common currency. In so many ways this is exactly

:18:51. > :18:52.what the European project has Over the decades Europe brought

:18:53. > :19:01.with it all sorts of benefits. Jobs, common rights and protections

:19:02. > :19:05.for workers, but you don't have to dig very deep here to discover

:19:06. > :19:13.that the river still divides. On the French side,

:19:14. > :19:16.around Neuf-Brisach, This one used to produce pistons

:19:17. > :19:25.for the European car industry. But in 2013 high labour costs forced

:19:26. > :19:47.it to close. Unemployment in this part of France

:19:48. > :19:51.is around 10% and rising. GDP is well below

:19:52. > :19:55.the European average. For these French workers overseeing

:19:56. > :20:00.the demolition of their own factory, the EU today means seeing their jobs

:20:01. > :20:04.move to new member states in Eastern There was a dream, a European dream,

:20:05. > :20:11.in the 1950s, 1960s, Do you think that

:20:12. > :20:21.dream is still alive? I think no, peace is here in Europe,

:20:22. > :20:25.but prosperity I think no. In Germany I think a little

:20:26. > :20:34.prosperity but here in France, no. Indeed, back across the river

:20:35. > :20:37.in German Breisach, The citizens of this region,

:20:38. > :20:44.Baden Wurtenberg, are among Just up the road from Breisach,

:20:45. > :20:54.we stumble across what appears to be the most pro-European place

:20:55. > :21:01.on the continent. Is this the stuff that

:21:02. > :21:06.dreams are made of? Meet Euro Mouse, the mascot of this

:21:07. > :21:21.Europe in microcosm. Nestled among the roller-coasters

:21:22. > :21:28.are many of the member states. Scandinavia, Portugal, Greece,

:21:29. > :21:30.which includes Pegasus, Cassandra's curse,

:21:31. > :21:34.and the flight of Icarus. Black cabs, fast-food,

:21:35. > :21:42.and Shakespeare. Who knew the EU could

:21:43. > :21:48.be such family fun? Which is your favourite

:21:49. > :21:50.bit of the park? Our favourite bit is Scandinavia,

:21:51. > :21:51.I think. I like England, but the thing

:21:52. > :22:02.is you haven't got a lot of variety. The history of Europa Park reads

:22:03. > :22:05.like a sort of German It was founded by the Mack family,

:22:06. > :22:09.stalwarts of German manufacturing The park opened its doors in 1975,

:22:10. > :22:21.inspired by the vision We chose Europe and we think

:22:22. > :22:33.it was the best way to go, even though nobody believed that

:22:34. > :22:36.that time Europe would be As much of Europe struggles

:22:37. > :22:39.with an economic crisis, in Germany the dream of prosperity

:22:40. > :22:44.still burns brightly. Today nearly half the park's workers

:22:45. > :22:50.are from other EU nations. We are about to open

:22:51. > :22:56.a water park in 2018. We need another 700 employees,

:22:57. > :22:58.so it is quite difficult because the unemployment rate

:22:59. > :23:01.is so low in this area. Despite Europe's economies pulling

:23:02. > :23:17.in different directions its nations Back on the road, we drive through

:23:18. > :23:26.Verdun. Verdun is to the French

:23:27. > :23:29.what The Somme is to the British. 100 years ago hundreds of thousands

:23:30. > :23:32.of young men lost their Along the roads that wind

:23:33. > :23:38.through Europe's heartland, history lurks

:23:39. > :23:49.around every bend. It is now at the heart

:23:50. > :23:57.of the European project. Throughout the EU's development,

:23:58. > :24:05.from its beginnings in coal and steel, through the Treaty

:24:06. > :24:09.of Rome, the single European act, the Maastricht Treaty,

:24:10. > :24:11.the direction of travel Maybe it was a bit naive

:24:12. > :24:23.but we thought we were in a position You know, at that time,

:24:24. > :24:31.we had the backing of public Because the experience

:24:32. > :24:36.and the tragedy of the war I use the expression,

:24:37. > :24:44.but it was not one we used at that time, to build a kind

:24:45. > :24:52.of United States of Europe. These days, if you say you support

:24:53. > :24:55.a United States of Europe, you might These young activists are handing

:24:56. > :25:06.out leaflets for a by-election Last time around they took

:25:07. > :25:10.a third of the votes. And it was the year

:25:11. > :25:30.of the Treaty of Maastricht. And so we have not known

:25:31. > :25:32.this European dream. All we have known is only

:25:33. > :25:37.unemployment, taxes, and all the disadvantages

:25:38. > :25:41.of this European Union. We have not known

:25:42. > :25:42.this European dream. A year from now, its leader

:25:43. > :25:51.Marine Le Pen could become She has promised to follow

:25:52. > :25:56.Britain's lead and hold We need to find back our

:25:57. > :26:10.borders, our sovereignty, To respect our own laws,

:26:11. > :26:14.which are not the same as in Germany Some people worry that a party

:26:15. > :26:18.like yours is leading Europe back towards nationalism,

:26:19. > :26:20.back towards the place You're right, the European Union

:26:21. > :26:26.is leading us back. It is the European Union that

:26:27. > :26:37.creates unemployment and insecurity. The original founders

:26:38. > :26:40.of the EU had a dream. Of creating peace and prosperity

:26:41. > :26:44.through an ever closer union of nation states,

:26:45. > :26:47.based on common interests The thing about ever closer union

:26:48. > :26:56.is that it presupposes a corresponding weakening

:26:57. > :27:01.of individual national identity. Now it may be that the founders

:27:02. > :27:07.of the European Union thought that by the time we got to the second

:27:08. > :27:11.decade of the 21st century, the nation state would be a concept

:27:12. > :27:13.that had had its day. Across Europe the politics

:27:14. > :27:24.of identity is on the rise. Tomorrow night we will be

:27:25. > :27:34.looking at borders. How the fall of the Iron Curtain led

:27:35. > :27:37.to a Europe more united than ever and how a quarter of a century

:27:38. > :27:40.later, the continent is in crisis over one of the cornerstones

:27:41. > :27:42.of the European dream, Gabriel Gatehouse there,

:27:43. > :27:49.Europe past and present. But on the specifics

:27:50. > :27:51.of freedom of movement, in the here and now,

:27:52. > :27:53.the EU, faces a problem. The story is that Turkey has helped

:27:54. > :27:59.cut the number of migrants sailing to Greece, giving

:28:00. > :28:00.Europe some respite But Turkey has driven

:28:01. > :28:03.a hard bargain for that - above all, it expects the Schengen

:28:04. > :28:06.zone to allow visa free travel Tomorrow

:28:07. > :28:20.the European Commission is set However, it is controversial,

:28:21. > :28:23.and will still have to go Earlier I spoke to Ilnur Cevik,

:28:24. > :28:34.who is senior advisor I asked him if Turkey would pull out

:28:35. > :28:37.of the deal if not granted Visa free travel.

:28:38. > :28:40.You see, the visa agreement is not a concession.

:28:41. > :28:42.Turkey has been given this right through EU-Turkey

:28:43. > :28:59.And if the EU reneges on this deal, then all the other

:29:00. > :29:03.There are 72 conditions which the EU says Turkey must meet before it can

:29:04. > :29:11.Are you saying you've met all 72 of those conditions?

:29:12. > :29:17.Nearly all of them have been met and the EU is going to report that

:29:18. > :29:21.whether we have or we have not in the following days.

:29:22. > :29:29.But if the EU says, look, you haven't met them all,

:29:30. > :29:34.you've only met 62 of them, then it will say you can't

:29:35. > :29:37.have your visa-free travel yet, will you still say the deal doesn't

:29:38. > :29:40.hold and you'll come out of the migrant deal?

:29:41. > :29:46.If some of the clauses have not been met, they will be completed by June.

:29:47. > :29:49.But after that, if we have completed all the deal,

:29:50. > :29:54.and they still say we are not going to have free travel for Turks

:29:55. > :29:59.in the European Union countries in the Schengen area, of course,

:30:00. > :30:02.barring the United Kingdom and Ireland, then the deal is off.

:30:03. > :30:06.But look, one of the things the EU says you have to do

:30:07. > :30:12.is align your legal framework with protocols set out

:30:13. > :30:13.in the European Convention on Human Rights.

:30:14. > :30:16.Protocol seven for example, on crime in the family,

:30:17. > :30:20.article five provides for equality between spouses.

:30:21. > :30:23.You can't arrange for equality between spouses in your legal code

:30:24. > :30:26.between now and the end of June, that would be quite a big thing for

:30:27. > :30:33.But at the moment most of these have been fulfilled.

:30:34. > :30:42.But not all of them and the EU shouldn't let you in if you haven't

:30:43. > :30:47.It says you've got to meet them all, that's the deal.

:30:48. > :30:49.Take it this way, Turkey has fulfilled its obligations

:30:50. > :30:53.of stopping illegal immigrants to the Greek islands.

:30:54. > :30:56.Today there is a dismal amount of people going through.

:30:57. > :31:09.We still continue carrying this burden.

:31:10. > :31:15.Plus, you see, the EU agreement with Turkey is not a concession.

:31:16. > :31:19.What they are giving us as a concession,

:31:20. > :31:22.what they are portraying as a concession on the visa question

:31:23. > :31:29.Look, let me just ask one last question, back to the issue

:31:30. > :31:35.What is your view as to how the European Union has

:31:36. > :31:39.And whether you think it has been effective or not?

:31:40. > :31:48.The European Union is still shutting its eyes to the realities

:31:49. > :31:59.The European Union has created a big mess in Syria,

:32:00. > :32:02.along with the Americans, and they should have known that

:32:03. > :32:09.by ruining and messing up in Syria, all these refugees would be leaving

:32:10. > :32:11.the country, because, when I say this, we should have

:32:12. > :32:18.Turkey, the European Union, the Americans altogether.

:32:19. > :32:20.We should have got rid of Assad but we didn't.

:32:21. > :32:24.3 million people, Turkey has spent $10 billion for them.

:32:25. > :32:26.Now, what has the European Union done?

:32:27. > :32:35.What kind of European values are we talking about here?

:32:36. > :32:38.The European Union has given a very bad test, they have

:32:39. > :32:41.Thank you very much, thank you.

:32:42. > :32:51.The big winner of the English Premier League this season?

:32:52. > :32:57.It's looking super competive, and more interesting than its rivals.

:32:58. > :33:00.In the last four years it has had four different champions -

:33:01. > :33:02.in France, Italy and Scotland, they've had the same

:33:03. > :33:10.It's not been a bad season for Leicester City either.

:33:11. > :33:13.Everybody is trying to work out what it was that made

:33:14. > :33:14.Leicester's table-topping performance.

:33:15. > :33:16.Matthew Syed writes about sport, business and success.

:33:17. > :33:18.If anyone can crack it, he surely can.

:33:19. > :33:32.Tonight Leicester City have to sit, watch, and to listen. Yes! And

:33:33. > :33:40.that's it. It has finished 2-2. And we can say now Leicester City are

:33:41. > :33:44.the Premier League champions. How on earth did Leicester City win the

:33:45. > :33:48.Premier League? What does their victory tell us about how to win in

:33:49. > :33:56.the world beyond sport? Here are five possible takeaway is. Football

:33:57. > :34:01.is fatigued. It is deciding what to do in response to what the

:34:02. > :34:05.opposition is doing. Many teams playing Leicester decided to attack,

:34:06. > :34:08.they were the minnows destined for a relegation. That gave them a

:34:09. > :34:14.priceless opportunity to play on the counterattack. Like so many

:34:15. > :34:21.successful underdogs in corporate and political worlds, they found the

:34:22. > :34:24.perfect tactical niche. Look at what happened with Nokia, somebody who

:34:25. > :34:30.made gumboots, nobody thought they would be a mobile phone company.

:34:31. > :34:34.Nobody was really paying attention to what Apple was doing with phones.

:34:35. > :34:37.The idea that you can get your opponents to underestimate you is

:34:38. > :34:39.one of the great advantages in the world.

:34:40. > :34:41.The modus operandi of modern football is the Galacticos signing.

:34:42. > :34:49.You get a team made up of paycheque players.

:34:50. > :35:01.Soloists, who never really learn to play as an orchestra.

:35:02. > :35:06.The Leicester fans have a new group of heroes. But this is a group of

:35:07. > :35:09.disparate men, many of whom have been plucked from obscurity.

:35:10. > :35:12.In the 1890s a French engineer asked his students to pull on a rope

:35:13. > :35:18.Pulling alone, they managed 85 kilos.

:35:19. > :35:20.When they combined as a team, the individual contribution

:35:21. > :35:27.This is still considered a seminal experiment because it showed that

:35:28. > :35:31.teams do not always add up to more than the sum of their parts.

:35:32. > :35:42.People allow others to take the burden.

:35:43. > :35:48.One of the engines behind the early success of Apple was the passion of

:35:49. > :35:53.its consumers. For them it wasn't just the brand, but the community.

:35:54. > :35:57.One of the most complex managerial challenges has been to sustain a

:35:58. > :36:02.sense of intimacy as the company has grown into a global giant. The same

:36:03. > :36:07.problem manifests itself in football. For example many of the

:36:08. > :36:12.traditional fan base of Manchester United have come to feel alienated

:36:13. > :36:24.from the club as it has grown into a global franchise.

:36:25. > :36:27.Leicester City is small enough as a club to retain

:36:28. > :36:35.a sense of intimacy, a real sense of community ownership.

:36:36. > :36:46.If you are going to have your best season ever, do it when your main

:36:47. > :36:49.rivals are failing to deliver. What is interesting, if you remember a

:36:50. > :36:53.American retailing, these huge giants, Sears Roebuck, they spent

:36:54. > :37:00.the whole time focused on each other, just as Manchester United

:37:01. > :37:04.worrying about Manchester city, or Chelsea worrying about Arsenal. They

:37:05. > :37:09.did not notice a small company called Amazon coming in from the

:37:10. > :37:12.outside. Everybody in football is trying to deconstruct the Leicester

:37:13. > :37:16.miracle, and their role wide lessons outside of the sport. The beauty of

:37:17. > :37:21.the greatest of sporting upsets is that they cannot be fully explained.

:37:22. > :37:22.That is ultimately what differentiates sport from pure

:37:23. > :37:35.science. John Mickelson wait had put a bet on

:37:36. > :37:38.them winning the Premier League year after year, but he did not do it

:37:39. > :37:40.this year. The film director Stephen Frears -

:37:41. > :37:43.who made My Beautiful Launderette, Philomena, High Fidelity,

:37:44. > :37:56.among many others - is from Good evening. Did you keep the faith

:37:57. > :38:00.with Leicester City? I heard Julian Barnes on the radio this morning, he

:38:01. > :38:05.left Leicester when he was six weeks old and he still supports them. I

:38:06. > :38:11.did up until my 20s. Who do you support now? Arsenal. I'm a tragic

:38:12. > :38:16.figure, yes. It's got worse. The interesting thing is there is a

:38:17. > :38:20.story, and isn't that what football is really about? Of course. You are

:38:21. > :38:24.a journalist, so you would say that. But isn't that really the story?

:38:25. > :38:29.Would make a great film, wouldn't it? Wove you should never try to

:38:30. > :38:36.make a film about soccer. But all that has happened is a provincial

:38:37. > :38:40.club has beaten metropolitan clubs, that is always satisfying. A club

:38:41. > :38:43.run by a highly eccentric intelligent Italian has done well,

:38:44. > :38:49.those are values I support. You don't seem quite as excited about it

:38:50. > :38:52.as the rest of the nation. Perhaps I'm a party Bupa. All you want to

:38:53. > :38:57.say is well done, and it's great for the people of Leicester. Great for

:38:58. > :39:02.Ranieri and all his players, that's terrific. Reflect on the appeal of

:39:03. > :39:07.an underdog. What is it in the past that makes us so happy? We all

:39:08. > :39:12.believe in Hollywood. I'm more sceptical about the Hollywood bit.

:39:13. > :39:18.But you like an underdog, don't you? And trying to think. Of course I do.

:39:19. > :39:23.They are the best movies, aren't they? I'm not as sentimental as you

:39:24. > :39:30.are, I can feel a sob, a lump in your throat. People had already

:39:31. > :39:36.started thinking about the movie, but that would not interest you? I

:39:37. > :39:41.don't know how you show soccer on the screen. It is so good to watch.

:39:42. > :39:45.The match Spurs played was so incredible, so violent, amongst

:39:46. > :39:51.other things. You'd never get that on films. One of the things people

:39:52. > :39:59.say about football, it was much nicer in the old day when players

:40:00. > :40:06.were paid 6p, and it was very different. Are you on the point of

:40:07. > :40:10.saying capitalism has destroyed soccer? People keep saying that, but

:40:11. > :40:15.don't they really want the best players in the world. On the one

:40:16. > :40:24.hand you see gains you never dreamt about, the quality now is

:40:25. > :40:28.phenomenal. But you lose the partisanship, you lose the modesty.

:40:29. > :40:32.And yesterday was a day for modesty. So I hope that lesson has been

:40:33. > :40:38.learnt. I'd be very surprised if it has. Key question, you are not going

:40:39. > :40:44.to give up Arsenal and go back to Leicester, are you? No, no. Football

:40:45. > :40:48.has a tragic quality. And the people of Leicester will be in despair next

:40:49. > :40:55.season, I'm afraid. I wonder whether that's true. That's because you are

:40:56. > :40:59.sentimental. Actually there are much more interesting lessons to be

:41:00. > :41:05.learned from Spurs and West Ham. It's a miracle they've won, and you

:41:06. > :41:09.can only be consumed with admiration, up to appoint. Stephen

:41:10. > :41:18.Frears, thanks much indeed. That's almost it. Flash photography, as we

:41:19. > :41:21.leave you with the London mayoral candidate Zac Goldsmith who ran into

:41:22. > :41:26.trouble in an interview for saying he was a Bollywood fan.

:41:27. > :41:28.The intrepid reporter from Red Carpet News TV

:41:29. > :41:30.smelled his opportunity and went full Paxman.

:41:31. > :41:32.If you look very hard, you can almost see what's

:41:33. > :41:37.I'm a Bollywood fan, so anything with a Bollywood

:41:38. > :41:41.Do you have a favourite actor, a favourite Bollywood film?

:41:42. > :41:48.You can't think of a single Bollywood film or actor?

:41:49. > :41:53.I date my Oxford life from my first meeting with Sebastien.

:41:54. > :42:02.I love almost everything about Bollywood.

:42:03. > :42:05.I love the atmosphere, I love the colour, I love the