:00:00. > :00:08.Day two of Brexit Britain - how are you feeling?
:00:09. > :00:11.We're live in Westminster for a Newsnight Special,
:00:12. > :00:14.as Britain and Europe start working out how exactly this conscious
:00:15. > :00:20.uncoupling will proceed, and what Brexit actually means.
:00:21. > :00:28.When will the British government formally declare its
:00:29. > :00:32.And what sort of relationship does it want with the EU in future?
:00:33. > :00:34.And they are getting increasingly impatient.
:00:35. > :00:42.From the Conservative shires to Labour's Northern heartlands,
:00:43. > :00:46.they voted out but who are the Brexiteers and what do they want?
:00:47. > :00:49.Boston in Lincolnshire voted 80-20 to leave the EU.
:00:50. > :00:52.Lambeth in London voted 80-20 to remain in the EU.
:00:53. > :00:55.How did we get such a divided country and what is going
:00:56. > :01:08.We voted to leave the EU yesterday, so should we get a move on?
:01:09. > :01:11.Or should we take a bit of time to pause and think?
:01:12. > :01:15.The British Commissioner in Brussels, one of the most senior
:01:16. > :01:17.figures there, Lord Hill, he's got a move on by resigning.
:01:18. > :01:22.But British policy is to slow things down.
:01:23. > :01:24.We need a new Prime Minister, for a start.
:01:25. > :01:31.Even the official Leave campaign, so keen to get us out, wants time.
:01:32. > :01:34.But many European counterparts want things to get going,
:01:35. > :01:37.thinking we've voted out, so go now, go, walk out the door...
:01:38. > :01:41.But can they force us to rush things?
:01:42. > :01:44.It all comes back to the magic of Article 50.
:01:45. > :01:51.Our political editor Nick Watt is with me.
:01:52. > :01:57.A little refresher on article 50. That is the formal mechanism in the
:01:58. > :02:01.Lisbon Treaty that allows a member state to leave the European Union.
:02:02. > :02:05.Throughout the referendum, Vote Leave said the initiative lies with
:02:06. > :02:08.the member state to trigger it and David Cameron has said he's not
:02:09. > :02:11.going to do it, he will leave it to his successor as Prime Minister so
:02:12. > :02:17.that means the earliest it could be triggered by the UK will be October.
:02:18. > :02:20.The European Council has issued a statement about which backed that up
:02:21. > :02:24.at one level, saying it is the initiative of the member state to
:02:25. > :02:27.trigger it but it then says, get a move on. You have some intelligence
:02:28. > :02:32.on what some of the member states are telling us about this. It's
:02:33. > :02:34.pretty clear Angela Merkel is sympathetic to the slight pause but
:02:35. > :02:38.what I'm hearing is that member states are saying to Britain, it
:02:39. > :02:48.needs to be triggered by the end of the year and the reason for that is
:02:49. > :02:51.they want the negotiations concluded by the end of 2018 because in 2019,
:02:52. > :02:54.the leadership of all the European institutions changes so they need to
:02:55. > :02:56.turn their mind to that. But there is a second thing and to understand
:02:57. > :03:03.this, perhaps we should look at the wording of article 50. The second
:03:04. > :03:13.sentence of article 50,000:. -- 50 said. The key word is "Shall". Vote
:03:14. > :03:16.Leave says that means we will decide whether to do it but what we are
:03:17. > :03:22.hearing from some member states is that it implies in law and
:03:23. > :03:27.obligation, and obligation to notify and if you don't notify, then
:03:28. > :03:33.perhaps you could be in breach of Article 50 and we might give you a
:03:34. > :03:36.prod. So they might try to invoke or initiated themselves. Why does it
:03:37. > :03:42.matter quite as much as everyone thinks it does that we try to delay
:03:43. > :03:45.or slow down the Article 50 business? The reason why Vote Leave
:03:46. > :03:50.is like to delay is because once you have invoked it, you have very few
:03:51. > :03:55.cards to play. Because what would happen when you do that is that the
:03:56. > :03:58.remaining 27 member states amongst themselves, without the UK, would
:03:59. > :04:01.agree what is called a negotiating mandate. They would probably hand
:04:02. > :04:07.that to the European Commission to negotiate with us. That then has to
:04:08. > :04:12.be agreed within two years and you can only extend it if every member
:04:13. > :04:16.state agrees to do so. If it doesn't happen, the guillotine comes down
:04:17. > :04:19.after two years. And you leave on the most neutral terms which may not
:04:20. > :04:21.be the most favourable. Thank you for joining us.
:04:22. > :04:24.Well a key requirement of sorting out the separation arrangements
:04:25. > :04:26.is that we know what relationship we want instead,
:04:27. > :04:29.but also that Europe knows what it wants our relationship to be.
:04:30. > :04:31.On that latter point, our diplomatic editor Mark Urban
:04:32. > :04:49.It's just that many people can't work out in exactly which direction.
:04:50. > :04:53.And in a city renowned for its addiction to waffle,
:04:54. > :04:56.even the best minds are grappling with new realities,
:04:57. > :05:00.like how on earth Article 50 will work.
:05:01. > :05:03.is also the expert's guide to Article 50,
:05:04. > :05:10.It is obviously drafted to give the EU a negotiating advantage.
:05:11. > :05:19.If no agreement is made in those two years, then
:05:20. > :05:22.It can only be extended by unanimous agreement
:05:23. > :05:27.So there is a big disadvantage to the leaving country
:05:28. > :05:36.the resignation of Britain's top EU official today.
:05:37. > :05:40.He felt the referendum result had made his position untenable.
:05:41. > :05:46.as the decision in the British referendum takes place,
:05:47. > :05:49.actions have consequences, and I think that it's not possible
:05:50. > :05:53.You have to listen to the will of the British people
:05:54. > :05:59.The process of agreeing a common European response got under way
:06:00. > :06:02.with the foreign ministers of the six founding EU states
:06:03. > :06:10.On Monday, Donald Tusk, who chairs the union's Council,
:06:11. > :06:14.will go first to Paris for talks with Francois Hollande,
:06:15. > :06:17.and then to Berlin to see Chancellor Merkel.
:06:18. > :06:20.He will try to forge a common approach for a European summit
:06:21. > :06:22.in Brussels on Tuesday, where David Cameron will be present
:06:23. > :06:25.to give the British view of the way ahead.
:06:26. > :06:29.And then on Wednesday, he'll be left out
:06:30. > :06:35.of the discussion as the other 27 seek their way forward.
:06:36. > :06:40.Today's Berlin meeting urged a Brexit as quickly as possible.
:06:41. > :06:44.But the Germans are also saying that there can be some time before
:06:45. > :06:48.the leaving process formally starts, and that the UK does have choices
:06:49. > :06:56.We will deal with all the countries in an equal way.
:06:57. > :07:02.It means there should be no revenge, no punishing.
:07:03. > :07:08.And it means with solutions like the Norwegian solution,
:07:09. > :07:12.you have to fulfil the obligation, as everyone else.
:07:13. > :07:16.The question is, how long will it take to negotiate
:07:17. > :07:28.My intuition, for what it's worth, is that it might take much longer
:07:29. > :07:35.than both sides either wish or expect.
:07:36. > :07:37.So to Churchill's bar to consider the new rules,
:07:38. > :07:41.while Wales and Northern Ireland jockeyed for advantage.
:07:42. > :07:44.The EU now wants Britain to say what kind of deal it wants,
:07:45. > :07:49.whether it's willing to play by single market regulations
:07:50. > :07:54.and European leaders want the negotiation
:07:55. > :08:03.I'm joined now by the Ukip MP Douglas Carswell.
:08:04. > :08:09.Good evening. Thank you for joining us. Are you in the camp who want to
:08:10. > :08:14.delay a very long time to invoke article 50 or do you think we should
:08:15. > :08:17.get on with it? We want to get this right, act in good faith and do what
:08:18. > :08:21.is right for ourselves and our neighbours and build the new
:08:22. > :08:25.consensus in the country. That means there's absolutely no need to rush
:08:26. > :08:30.into this. There are two or three things we need to get right first.
:08:31. > :08:33.We need the right people overseeing the process. The old mandarins who
:08:34. > :08:35.got us into this mess can't be trusted, you've got our people like
:08:36. > :08:39.Michael Gove, Chris Grayling and Daniel Hannan overseeing the
:08:40. > :08:44.process. Then we need to informally work out the outline of a deal. But
:08:45. > :08:50.we do that after we invoke Article 50? I mean, we have to get a Prime
:08:51. > :08:54.Minister before we invoke it but you are not suggesting we get the
:08:55. > :08:57.outline of a deal before we invoke it? I think there are important
:08:58. > :09:03.things that need to be discussed before we invoke article 50? What's
:09:04. > :09:07.wrong with invoking it quickly and starting the negotiations? It is a
:09:08. > :09:12.stopwatch and once you press it, you have 24 months. Why rush it? We've
:09:13. > :09:17.waited 40 years to get it right, why give ourselves an artificial
:09:18. > :09:20.deadline? It is a deadline, we were told before the referendum it was
:09:21. > :09:25.going to be dead easy, there's not going to be a problem negotiating
:09:26. > :09:28.because they want to do it. I think it is fairly straightforward and the
:09:29. > :09:31.noises from Angela Merkel were very encouraging but it's important to
:09:32. > :09:35.get this absolutely right. We want to be good friends and neighbours.
:09:36. > :09:40.We should be invoking it by the end of the year. We can't leave them
:09:41. > :09:44.waiting so we can all agree on that? Yes. But the model of what we're
:09:45. > :09:47.going to a mat or what you would like us to a mat, when you think
:09:48. > :09:52.about what that model is, there seems to be some disagreement or
:09:53. > :09:56.differences of opinion amongst the Leave camp over what it should be.
:09:57. > :10:01.Do you think an association agreement, let's call it something
:10:02. > :10:07.half out rather than fully outcome is that acceptable? Leave means
:10:08. > :10:10.leave. No EU institutional court will have jurisdiction. We will
:10:11. > :10:14.decide for ourselves the nature of our relationship but having said
:10:15. > :10:18.that, we are not in the business of closing our borders. For example, we
:10:19. > :10:23.would decide our migration policy. It would be for us to make those
:10:24. > :10:28.decisions. But how we decide it and what those decisions would be for a
:10:29. > :10:33.future government and party. So you would not be one of those who would
:10:34. > :10:36.rule out the single market, for example? Absolutely, we must rule
:10:37. > :10:40.out the single market. We want access to the single market
:10:41. > :10:44.obviously but we must not be part of the single market and subject to the
:10:45. > :10:47.jurisdiction. -- subject to the jurisdiction for a simple reason,
:10:48. > :10:51.there are many businesses you don't sell to the single market so why
:10:52. > :10:54.should they comply with the rules? And free movement, I'm wondering
:10:55. > :10:59.whether you think and interpret the vote of the referendum as a vote
:11:00. > :11:02.that says, free movement absolutely have to go, so anyone who suggested
:11:03. > :11:08.a deal with Europe that maintain free movement... There will be an
:11:09. > :11:11.end to unrestricted free movement. The precise nature of those
:11:12. > :11:15.restrictions is for a future government and future Parliament to
:11:16. > :11:18.decide but it will be weak, Britain who make those decisions. Is there
:11:19. > :11:23.some wriggle room on this because Daniel Hannan was talking about free
:11:24. > :11:26.movement to an extent full stop there will be restrictions on free
:11:27. > :11:30.movement but a future Parliament and British government, like in Austria,
:11:31. > :11:33.will decide the nature of those restrictions. You are a great
:11:34. > :11:36.believer in Parliamentary sovereignty and its imported you.
:11:37. > :11:40.What do MPs do, when they see there is about to come out but they
:11:41. > :11:44.believe, and many of them do, I think would be an option which keeps
:11:45. > :11:47.us in the single market and perhaps even keeps free movement if that is
:11:48. > :11:53.the price of being in the single market. Do MPs have to say that it
:11:54. > :11:56.has been voted against or not? Vote Leave was very clear, we want to
:11:57. > :12:00.leave the single market. If we remain part of it, of course we want
:12:01. > :12:04.access to it but if we remain part of it, that is not leaving. If we
:12:05. > :12:09.remain part of the single market... That is staying. So MPs are not
:12:10. > :12:13.entitled in your view to come to their own view about what the
:12:14. > :12:17.referendum means? Leave must mean leave but when we leave, we want to
:12:18. > :12:20.do it in a way that is constructive. We did not ask the public whether
:12:21. > :12:25.what they wanted the Norway option or the Swiss option or the Turkish
:12:26. > :12:28.option. With respect, no one in Vote Leave ever talked about those, you
:12:29. > :12:33.did but we never talked about the Norway, or Swiss model, Weise wanted
:12:34. > :12:38.a British model in the interest of Britain and we can get that. What is
:12:39. > :12:42.to stop MPs saying that Arrington on, which may not be the same yours
:12:43. > :12:45.-- as yours, that in the single market and out of the EU is
:12:46. > :12:49.consistent with what people want? Political elites don't like people
:12:50. > :12:52.deciding these things and there will always be some in the western
:12:53. > :12:56.instability want to do that but the point of the referendum if it gives
:12:57. > :12:59.a democratic mandate to Vote Leave for change. And the Norway option is
:13:00. > :13:03.not consistent with what we've does voted on in your view? With respect,
:13:04. > :13:10.Vote Leave has never talked about it. Just a quick... Nigel Farage
:13:11. > :13:13.does not have a place in the committee to Vote Leave getting
:13:14. > :13:17.together to think about some of these issues but should he have?
:13:18. > :13:20.Nigel made a conscious choice not to be part of Vote Leave and I think
:13:21. > :13:24.it's only right and fair we take into account the fact that 48% of
:13:25. > :13:30.people in this country voted to remain. We need to find the right
:13:31. > :13:34.and considerate return. Only 37% of people voted for my party at the
:13:35. > :13:42.last general election. --... Only a certain percentage of people. This
:13:43. > :13:47.will be led by... This will be led by Vote Leave's leadership and we
:13:48. > :13:49.have a dumb right to make this happen. Thank you for joining us.
:13:50. > :13:52.Well, it might matter in all of this what the people of Britain want.
:13:53. > :13:55.We have asked them one question in the referendum, about EU
:13:56. > :13:58.membership, but we didn't drill down into the details about what exactly
:13:59. > :14:01.Would people prefer right out, half out or what?
:14:02. > :14:06.We asked Katie Razzall to go and find out.
:14:07. > :14:13.Just after 7am, if you are just waking up and joining us, you are
:14:14. > :14:19.waking up to a different country. The UK has voted to leave the EU.
:14:20. > :14:22.It's a new dawn and a time of questions about the people who voted
:14:23. > :14:30.for Brexit and what they actually want. Tremendous news for the
:14:31. > :14:34.industry. Marvellous. In North Tyneside yesterday morning, euphoria
:14:35. > :14:38.at the quayside, in a place where a dozen or so fishing boats still
:14:39. > :14:42.operate. It's a great day for myself, waking up this morning in
:14:43. > :14:48.Great Britain, to see that we have got our independence back. At the
:14:49. > :14:52.North Shields Fish market, these traders of course see the EU as the
:14:53. > :14:57.source of the industry's woes but their votes were about far more. The
:14:58. > :15:01.people have spoken, they just wanted a change, out against the
:15:02. > :15:05.government, the bankers, whatever you want to call it, legislation in
:15:06. > :15:09.Brussels and everything, people have just had enough. The north-east
:15:10. > :15:12.think the Brexit message loud and clear, inequality, the threat from
:15:13. > :15:18.globalisation, alienation from Westminster all played their part.
:15:19. > :15:22.They have misunderstood the working classes. It's OK for them to listen
:15:23. > :15:25.to the banker than all the people in London but the governor should have
:15:26. > :15:29.sat up and is in before now, before it got to the stage. How they move
:15:30. > :15:32.forward, I'm really unsure. The ferry between North and South
:15:33. > :15:36.Shields is a regular commute but these are not regular times. To help
:15:37. > :15:44.this great country succeed, thank you very much. The Prime Minister
:15:45. > :15:48.has resigned. From people who voted in, and there were some, fear about
:15:49. > :15:52.what the future holds. People like me are very scared. It's a huge
:15:53. > :15:56.gamble. You don't know what out there. We need concrete facts, which
:15:57. > :16:00.we are not going to get. But here, even those who voted out did not
:16:01. > :16:04.have clear ideas about the next steps. For England to be England
:16:05. > :16:10.again, to do our own thing, to control our own money. I don't know
:16:11. > :16:15.exactly what was going to happen if we voted out or in. So you decided
:16:16. > :16:18.to take the risk? I thought it was better than sitting there and
:16:19. > :16:23.wishing things would change. At least you are doing something about
:16:24. > :16:27.it. Change is perhaps a big ask in a deprived region which are set so
:16:28. > :16:30.much store by this vote. Remain as Slate central pledges made by Brexit
:16:31. > :16:33.politicians during the campaign are now being rolled back from. On NHS
:16:34. > :16:38.spending and getting immigration down. This former city trader
:16:39. > :16:45.invests in north-east charities. I do feel that there wasn't element of
:16:46. > :16:48.a conflict in this way, that if I'm crude, generally, some rich, white
:16:49. > :16:53.men got sections of the population to go with them on a journey that
:16:54. > :16:59.would not benefit the population, that would benefit the careers of
:17:00. > :17:04.the rich, white men. I think that time will bear me out. So much of
:17:05. > :17:09.England voted out, from the once proud industrial heartlands and
:17:10. > :17:13.places like South Shields, all the way to the Conservative shires. This
:17:14. > :17:22.was a union of voters that has changed the face of Britain. Hello!
:17:23. > :17:28.Welcome to a new era. That is how you are feeling? Positive? Yes, very
:17:29. > :17:32.positive. Feeling happy? I really am, actually. Nice that someone
:17:33. > :17:37.wants to talk to us because our grandchildren don't. They are not
:17:38. > :17:41.happy with you? 250 miles from North Shields, Miles and Juliet McNair are
:17:42. > :17:45.unlikely bedfellows with the Tyneside Brexiteers. Now we are
:17:46. > :17:54.going out, what was it you voted for, what did you want? Above all,
:17:55. > :17:59.to regain our own sovereignty. That was the absolute main and prime
:18:00. > :18:04.reason. Independence, really. What do you want them to negotiate? What
:18:05. > :18:09.are your lines in the sand? Sovereignty as in running our own
:18:10. > :18:16.laws? Absolutely. Control of our borders and immigration? Yes... In a
:18:17. > :18:22.modified form. You might accept the Norwegian model, freedom of movement
:18:23. > :18:28.with an emergency brake? Yes... A basic British sense of tolerance
:18:29. > :18:31.should apply, here. In their Warwickshire constituency, the
:18:32. > :18:35.majority voted out. If they don't bring down immigration, will that be
:18:36. > :18:41.a problem for you as someone who voted out? I think it will because
:18:42. > :18:47.there is that option as well. We are full. It's not a racist thing. We
:18:48. > :18:51.are full. I did not actually vote for immigration, to be honest. That
:18:52. > :18:53.was not my first motivation to vote. I know everyone talks about it but
:18:54. > :19:05.that was not the real reason. As well as dealing with the EU,
:19:06. > :19:10.politics at home is heating up. In the Tory leadership race,
:19:11. > :19:13.the forces are lining up for and against the bookies'
:19:14. > :19:26.favourite, Boris Johnson. For the moment, Boris Johnson
:19:27. > :19:32.appears to have the Conservative Party in his hands. He is no doubt
:19:33. > :19:42.hoping the gods, who have a way of reminding me mortals who is in
:19:43. > :19:46.charge, will be on his side. Amid the continuing fallout from the
:19:47. > :19:51.referendum, business at Westminster has all but ground to a halt. Behind
:19:52. > :19:54.the scenes, Tory MPs are calculating whether Boris is unbeatable in the
:19:55. > :20:01.leadership contest which will be under way within a week. The
:20:02. > :20:07.remainder is, as the pro-European Tories call themselves, of meeting
:20:08. > :20:11.to discuss their tactics. Newsnight has realised there is a realisation
:20:12. > :20:15.in the George Osborne camp that he will struggle to gain traction
:20:16. > :20:18.because he is so closely associated with a failed Prime Minister. Shares
:20:19. > :20:23.in the energy and time change Secretary Amber Rudd are one of the
:20:24. > :20:27.few things that are performing well at the moment, but her allies know
:20:28. > :20:30.it will be a tall order to beat Johnson, who is campaigning was seen
:20:31. > :20:37.to have added 2% to Brexit numbers in the referendum. It was not
:20:38. > :20:40.difficult to detect the weary mood in the Remain camp, as the Prime
:20:41. > :20:48.Minister discharged his duties on Armed Forces Day. Some on his side
:20:49. > :20:54.who lament the political forces which ejected him from office say
:20:55. > :20:59.the next leader must be a healer. In my view, a great Prime Minister
:21:00. > :21:00.leading a great and reforming administration, mainstream,
:21:01. > :21:05.conservative one-nation reform has been taken out at the knees by the
:21:06. > :21:08.savagery of this bill is a good earthquake. And in choosing a
:21:09. > :21:12.replacement for David Cameron, we have to pick not just a person, but
:21:13. > :21:16.I think we need to develop a programme that brings the party
:21:17. > :21:20.together but more importantly brings the country together, that speaks
:21:21. > :21:23.not just to the 52 voted to leave the European Union, but the 48
:21:24. > :21:28.wanted to be part of a forward-looking and global Britain.
:21:29. > :21:35.It is your fault, Jeremy! When are you resigning? It is your fault!
:21:36. > :21:39.Labour is facing its own bout of soul-searching after Jeremy Corbyn's
:21:40. > :21:43.underpowered performance in the referendum campaign. A rather
:21:44. > :21:46.different reception awaited Labour's most senior elected official at the
:21:47. > :21:50.Pride rally, as he said London should fight hard to maintain core
:21:51. > :21:55.aspects of Britain's EU relationship. What is clear from the
:21:56. > :21:59.results on Thursday was that London was the only region in England to
:22:00. > :22:03.vote too Remain in the EU, overwhelmingly so. It is also clear
:22:04. > :22:06.to me that London is a powerhouse for our country. The idea that
:22:07. > :22:11.London would not be around the table is ridiculous. The current and
:22:12. > :22:15.future Prime Minister needs to make sure we have a seat around the
:22:16. > :22:17.table. We have to make sure we are inside the room when it comes to
:22:18. > :22:21.doing a deal with the European Union. The Prime Minister was a
:22:22. > :22:30.spectator today as the Red Arrows marked ardent forces day -- Armed
:22:31. > :22:33.Forces day. He will be an onlooker again shortly.
:22:34. > :22:40.I'm now joined by Conservative MP Robert Halfon.
:22:41. > :22:45.You are sometimes called the minister for blue-collar Tories. How
:22:46. > :22:48.is your party going to reconnect with those blue-collar Tories?
:22:49. > :22:52.Nobody seems to be connecting with them well at the moment. I think we
:22:53. > :22:55.have a major challenge. We need to reconnect with the millions of
:22:56. > :22:59.working class voters who have left the Labour Party, which is a huge
:23:00. > :23:03.challenge for them as well. We need to reconnect with the people who
:23:04. > :23:07.have voted to Remain, the 48%. And we need to reunify the party. In
:23:08. > :23:10.terms of working people, we have started on the road with the
:23:11. > :23:13.national living wage, with apprentices and creating jobs, but
:23:14. > :23:17.we need to do more. We need to deal with poverty, compassionate
:23:18. > :23:22.conservatism at the heart of conservatism. That is a huge
:23:23. > :23:28.challenge. Obviously, this is going to be a debate in the leadership
:23:29. > :23:33.election, but one would have to wonder whether going from one white
:23:34. > :23:37.it to another white Italian is going to cut it. No one has ever said to
:23:38. > :23:41.me how terrible it is that the Prime Minister comes from a poor school.
:23:42. > :23:44.Many would love to send their kids to a posh school if they could
:23:45. > :23:48.afford it. That is not the issue, the issue is whether we are seen as
:23:49. > :23:54.being on the side of working people. And the millions who voted Leave,
:23:55. > :23:58.that we speak for them. A lot of people have said there is an out of
:23:59. > :24:01.touch elite, that is one of the things that has been a refrain of
:24:02. > :24:08.the referendum campaign. You can't honestly say that Boris Johnson will
:24:09. > :24:13.break through that as an Etonian, will he? He is just another one of
:24:14. > :24:17.the same. I wonder whether there should be a fresh face, something
:24:18. > :24:22.different. I accept that there is an anger against the elite. That was
:24:23. > :24:26.behind many of the people who voted to Leave last week, and we have to
:24:27. > :24:31.respond to that as a party. I believe we have started down that
:24:32. > :24:34.road. We have a long way to go. I genuinely don't believe it is back
:24:35. > :24:37.about whether people are posh or what background they come from, it
:24:38. > :24:45.is about how we present ourselves. Are we going to be the party for
:24:46. > :24:49.workers? Is someone struggling to earn a living go to feel we are on
:24:50. > :24:54.their site? That has to be the raison d'etre of the next Tory
:24:55. > :24:58.leader. Why don't you stand? Not in a million years. You would connect
:24:59. > :25:00.with the blue-collar workers. In my deputy chairman job, I have gone
:25:01. > :25:06.around the country, talking about this. I don't want us to have a
:25:07. > :25:10.majority of ten, I want a big majority, and the only way to do
:25:11. > :25:13.that is to reach out to the millions of voters that Labour have lost who
:25:14. > :25:19.voted Leave. Do you think if a new leader comes in with a different
:25:20. > :25:24.programme, a different approach, do you think they need to go to the
:25:25. > :25:27.country to seek a mandate at some point before long? And other fixed
:25:28. > :25:31.term rule, it is difficult now to call an election. But you could make
:25:32. > :25:37.it happen. It is difficult. It would be up to the leader to decide. We
:25:38. > :25:39.have to cross one bridge at a time. We have to organise the
:25:40. > :25:43.renegotiations. There has to be an election of a new leader and there
:25:44. > :25:46.has to be a programme to get the Conservatives back with a proper
:25:47. > :25:50.majority by speaking forward to people. Can I ask you whether you
:25:51. > :25:54.think the leadership election needs to take the 14 weeks that seems to
:25:55. > :25:59.be allowed for? Margaret Thatcher retook the Falklands in half that.
:26:00. > :26:03.When Margaret Thatcher was deposed, that was on a Thursday and there was
:26:04. > :26:08.a new Prime Minister by the Tuesday. We are now at an important time in
:26:09. > :26:12.the country's history and we are other less. We can't wait 14 weeks
:26:13. > :26:16.for you guys to decide between Boris and Theresa May. This is an
:26:17. > :26:20.incredibly important question, who is going to be the next Prime
:26:21. > :26:24.Minister? Who will carry on the work that David Cameron started? And
:26:25. > :26:30.don't forget, when Margaret Thatcher was standing, it was only MPs who
:26:31. > :26:33.had the election. We have to go around the country and speak to
:26:34. > :26:36.members, and they will make the final decision. Thank you very much.
:26:37. > :26:39.Now, to finish, the most fraught issue of all -
:26:40. > :26:41.the gulf between inners and outers, the new national divide.
:26:42. > :26:43.It's about class, region, education and outlook.
:26:44. > :26:47.I have to say, there are urban professsionals who voted to Remain
:26:48. > :26:50.who are dealing with Brexit through the five stages grief -
:26:51. > :26:54.denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.
:26:55. > :27:04.As of a moment ago, a petition calling for a rerun
:27:05. > :27:06.of the referendum had received 2.3 million signatures.
:27:07. > :27:08.Can the divided British peoples cohabit comfortably?
:27:09. > :27:14.Emily has been out, trying to make sure we all learn to get on.
:27:15. > :27:17.If there's one thing we learned from the vote on Thursday,
:27:18. > :27:19.it's just how divided the country is.
:27:20. > :27:23.Boston in Lincolnshire voted 80-20 in favour of Leave,
:27:24. > :27:29.So we've brought citizens from each place together.
:27:30. > :27:31.Angie and Nina come from a farming community.
:27:32. > :27:36.James and Gurjinder, the Lambeth boys, are a lawyer
:27:37. > :27:43.and do they understand the choices they each made?
:27:44. > :27:47.When you voted Leave, was it about the EU,
:27:48. > :27:52.was it about kicking the Government, was it about change of any kind,
:27:53. > :27:54.or was it about something I haven't mentioned?
:27:55. > :28:00.We tried to tell everybody what was happening in Boston.
:28:01. > :28:10.People say we're the most segregated town in the country.
:28:11. > :28:13.What happens is, you get your neighbours,
:28:14. > :28:19.and it is full of EU migrant workers.
:28:20. > :28:23.They come over here, they live in houses of multiple occupation.
:28:24. > :28:30.Some of them have been here for five years and can't even
:28:31. > :28:34.I don't doubt in any way that these things are true
:28:35. > :28:36.and that there are these problems in these towns.
:28:37. > :28:47.What I worry about is that the EU has been blamed inaccurately.
:28:48. > :28:50.I think these problems are there, but it isn'y the EU's fault.
:28:51. > :28:53.Why do you think people have misunderstood?
:28:54. > :28:55.I think there has been a lot of either deliberate
:28:56. > :28:57.miscommunication or a very difficult conversation in the UK
:28:58. > :29:03.they just seemed to be shouting at each other or believing their own
:29:04. > :29:06.or believing their own side's truth, and sometimes both sides' truths
:29:07. > :29:09.I for one didn't think it was correct to have
:29:10. > :29:14.350 million to go to the NHS on the back of the battle bus,
:29:15. > :29:16.and since then Nigel Farage has said that was ill-advised
:29:17. > :29:23.But do you think people who voted Leave
:29:24. > :29:25.But do you think people who voted Leave are thick?
:29:26. > :29:31.Do you think that that is how the other side think?
:29:32. > :29:33.Definitely, especially with the barrage of things that have
:29:34. > :29:38.We know 350 million was not going to go directly to the NHS.
:29:39. > :29:41.But where you get your savings is, the doctor who lives near me,
:29:42. > :29:44.he told me they employ three interpreters at 40 quid an hour.
:29:45. > :29:47.We would not have to be paying that through the NHS if we didn't have
:29:48. > :29:57.I think we need to have a national conversation on how to build
:29:58. > :30:00.a fairer Britain, which everyone feels works for them.
:30:01. > :30:08.I just hope it goes straightforward and it sorts itself out.
:30:09. > :30:12.For the younger generation like kiddies, they've been brought
:30:13. > :30:15.up in this environment, so to speak, due to vandalism,
:30:16. > :30:20.I don't want my children seeing all that,
:30:21. > :30:30.Wherever you go right now, people agree on one thing:
:30:31. > :30:32.we are in the midst of a quite exceptional
:30:33. > :30:36.Life carries on - Glastonbury today, Wales winning football games,
:30:37. > :30:38.Pride, Armed Forces Day, but Brexit is always
:30:39. > :31:01.Which is why we've been here on a Saturday night.
:31:02. > :31:05.Rolls-Royce Corniche - one of the best of the very best.