:00:00. > :00:11.In two days' time, Great Britain will have a new Prime Minister.
:00:12. > :00:18.Here is how it all began. The interests of our country are best
:00:19. > :00:27.served by the immediate appointment of a strong and well supported Prime
:00:28. > :00:35.Minister. BBC, anyone? OK. Robert Peston? It is clear Theresa May as
:00:36. > :00:45.the overwhelming support of the Conservative Parliamentary party. I
:00:46. > :00:46.am honoured and humbled to have been chosen by the Conservative body to
:00:47. > :00:48.be its leader. With a full studio we ask
:00:49. > :00:51.if the country can unite around Theresa May and what her premiership
:00:52. > :00:53.will look like. Even by the crazy standards
:00:54. > :01:04.of the new political age, A campaign launched mid-morning saw
:01:05. > :01:10.the candidate heralded the next Theresa May had assumed
:01:11. > :01:15.she was making her first speech In the end, she was the only
:01:16. > :01:19.one left in the Tory leadership contest after
:01:20. > :01:23.Andrea Leadsom quit the field. So how did we get to a place
:01:24. > :01:27.where the Brexiteers won the battle so resoundingly but then
:01:28. > :01:29.lost the race, not once, And what does it mean when a Remain
:01:30. > :01:35.prime minister makes way for his long-standing Remain home
:01:36. > :01:41.secretary after the biggest electoral upheaval the country
:01:42. > :01:43.has seen for decades? There are plenty of questions to ask
:01:44. > :01:46.tonight, and we devote the lion's share of this programme to asking
:01:47. > :01:49.what the next few days, Before he head into the future
:01:50. > :02:01.though, here's Nick Watt The Conservative Party thought it
:02:02. > :02:05.might catch its breath today after a frantic period since the EU
:02:06. > :02:09.referendum. Theresa May kicked off what was expected to be a two-month
:02:10. > :02:13.campaign to win over Tory grassroots members while David Cameron made a
:02:14. > :02:20.predictable visit to the opening day of the Farnborough airshow. In a two
:02:21. > :02:24.definitive illustration of how a tweet now marks a long time in
:02:25. > :02:29.politics, Theresa May found that by the time she had become Prime
:02:30. > :02:33.Minister elect. Showing how quickly and brutally power can transfer in
:02:34. > :02:37.Britain, David Cameron was put on notice to pack his bags by
:02:38. > :02:42.Wednesday. To make way for the Home Secretary. She has the potential to
:02:43. > :02:46.be a great by Minister for our country. I have seen her work on the
:02:47. > :02:50.home of the select committee and on working through the investigatory
:02:51. > :02:54.Powers Bill and she has the result, she had the skills and the
:02:55. > :02:58.experience to make a great success of our country leaving Europe. This
:02:59. > :03:02.was never about who we want to go down the pub with, it was about
:03:03. > :03:05.having the right person with the right competent and experience and
:03:06. > :03:09.professionalism and seriousness to be able to be by Minister at a
:03:10. > :03:12.difficult time when we have real challenges ahead but also
:03:13. > :03:18.opportunities if we can have the right person as PM and today we have
:03:19. > :03:21.managed that. The Caravan sprang back into life again after
:03:22. > :03:24.everybody's plans were thrown in the air when Andrea Leadsom announced
:03:25. > :03:29.she was abandoning her bid for the premiership, the only Brexit support
:03:30. > :03:32.the left in the race claiming her modest support among Tory MPs would
:03:33. > :03:39.make it difficult for her to govern as Prime Minister. Allies said she
:03:40. > :03:45.was the victim of hostile briefing. And therefore withdrawing from the
:03:46. > :03:48.leadership election and I wish Theresa May the very greatest
:03:49. > :03:55.success. I assure her of my full support. Thank you very much. I do
:03:56. > :03:59.think there are people in the party that need to examine their own
:04:00. > :04:04.consciences about how they behaved and they need to recognise that this
:04:05. > :04:08.is not the way to treat colleagues. I hope they will reflect on that and
:04:09. > :04:12.decide that maybe, just maybe, putting your country first rather
:04:13. > :04:16.than your own personal ambitions is not a bad thing. In the interview
:04:17. > :04:21.with The Times, Andrea has had a difficult few days, do you think
:04:22. > :04:25.that played a part in her thinking? Obviously the whole saga around that
:04:26. > :04:28.interview was relevant because it caused a media storm but what I
:04:29. > :04:33.would point out, I don't think it had that big an effect on the
:04:34. > :04:37.members, it did not stop calls coming in to be from people who were
:04:38. > :04:40.enthusiastic about organising hustings on her behalf soap she
:04:41. > :04:44.struck a real chord with members and is incredibly important that the new
:04:45. > :04:49.government recognises the support and what she stood for and that it
:04:50. > :04:53.is respected. A senior figure in Andrea Leadsom's Kemp told me she
:04:54. > :04:59.walked straight into a trap laid by the Home Secretary's team -- camp.
:05:00. > :05:02.In one of the most extra break is of this campaign, this person told me
:05:03. > :05:06.the Home Secretary had deliberately talked last week and about her pain
:05:07. > :05:10.of not having children so that journalists could be enticed into
:05:11. > :05:14.asking Andrea Leadsom about her life as a mother. This person also told
:05:15. > :05:19.me that the Theresa May campaign were planning a second round in
:05:20. > :05:24.which the Home Secretary would talk about her battle against diabetes so
:05:25. > :05:30.that journalists could once again be encouraged to ask Andrea Leadsom
:05:31. > :05:35.about Theresa May's personal life. One senior Tory told Newsnight this
:05:36. > :05:39.was a weird conspiracy. Other members of the Leadsom team felt it
:05:40. > :05:43.was time to move on. The decision has been made and we have to be
:05:44. > :05:46.common sense about this. One of the things with Andrea, she is straight
:05:47. > :05:51.down the line and what is most important for the country is
:05:52. > :05:56.stability. If she can suck that up, I can as well. Theresa May is our
:05:57. > :06:04.girl now, Brexit means Brexit! -Ites aborted Theresa May because I
:06:05. > :06:06.thought she could step into the role straightaway and could deliver the
:06:07. > :06:09.negotiation that the people have voted for. We will have a new Prime
:06:10. > :06:11.Minister... Today marked the end of the road for the David Cameron but
:06:12. > :06:15.at least he managed to disprove Enoch Powell's famous saying that
:06:16. > :06:16.all political careers end in tears. He walked through the door humming
:06:17. > :06:26.HU. -- humming at Chungju. -- song. On Tuesday, David Cameron
:06:27. > :06:30.will hold his last Cabinet meeting At 12pm on Wednesday,
:06:31. > :06:35.David Cameron will hold his last Prime Minister's Questions
:06:36. > :06:38.in the Commons, before he leaves to seek
:06:39. > :06:43.an audience with the Queen. By Wednesday evening, Theresa May
:06:44. > :06:47.will become Britain's second She's insisted she won't hold
:06:48. > :07:04.an early election. Where to start? We saw the rapid and
:07:05. > :07:07.brutal way in which power is transferred in this country but
:07:08. > :07:11.interestingly, Theresa May has a 48-hour window for her first task,
:07:12. > :07:18.the apartment of her Cabinet. The first employment with sheep -- she
:07:19. > :07:22.will make is to refer to her promise where she would set up a Department
:07:23. > :07:27.for Brexit with a Brexit secretary of state, and Chris Grayling, her
:07:28. > :07:33.campaign manager, seems the obvious choice as he was a leading Brexit
:07:34. > :07:40.campaigner, which would give Brexit supporters hope that her pledge
:07:41. > :07:43.Brexit, means Brexit, but you will see a mixture of Brexit and
:07:44. > :07:51.remainders. That is the beginning but then it changes. On Wednesday,
:07:52. > :07:54.Barack Obama will visit her, the outgoing president congratulating an
:07:55. > :07:57.incoming Prime Minister, nice present there is, but the phone call
:07:58. > :08:02.with Angela Merkel might be tougher. Angela Merkel has said that she can
:08:03. > :08:06.understand why David Cameron couldn't trigger the formal UK exit
:08:07. > :08:11.from the EU but she said that the new prime ministers should do it.
:08:12. > :08:15.Theresa May has said that it will not be in this calendar year, so
:08:16. > :08:21.there may be some friction. She has two things in her favour, the Lisbon
:08:22. > :08:25.Treaty says that the exiting country should notify the European Council,
:08:26. > :08:28.and the next is not until October, three months away, and another
:08:29. > :08:35.thing, Theresa May is seen in Brussels as a really tough and
:08:36. > :08:36.credible negotiator. Thank you for joining us.
:08:37. > :08:38.Theresa May pledged today that Brexit meant Brexit,
:08:39. > :08:44.the bit of her speech that elicited the loudest cheers.
:08:45. > :08:47.She's often called a soft Remainer, someone who could perhaps
:08:48. > :08:56.So, what will her vision of Brexit look like?
:08:57. > :08:59.Matthew Hancock has been a firm supporter of hers,
:09:00. > :09:01.and has also worked closely with the Chancellor, George
:09:02. > :09:09.Thank you for joining us. Many people don't think they know Theresa
:09:10. > :09:14.May even know she has been at the centre of power for so long. Which
:09:15. > :09:19.of these labels would apply to her? Is she a moderniser? What she is
:09:20. > :09:23.aiming to do and made very clear in her speech this morning, which I
:09:24. > :09:29.thought was terrific, is that she wants to bring unity to the party
:09:30. > :09:33.and to the country. We've just had this referendum campaign, it was
:09:34. > :09:37.clearly divisive and bringing people together, within the party and then,
:09:38. > :09:44.perhaps more importantly, in the country as a whole, is what she
:09:45. > :09:48.talked about. Is that a moderniser? I'm wondering whether she would
:09:49. > :09:54.encourage Michael Gove's reforms in education, or prisons? I think she
:09:55. > :10:00.is a unifying figure, that's what we've seen in the result of the
:10:01. > :10:05.ballot of MPs, 199 MPs including meat supported her, more than half
:10:06. > :10:11.of the parliamentary party, -- including me. She also has a very
:10:12. > :10:15.strong sense of leadership. She clearly sets out what she believes
:10:16. > :10:20.and then follows it, we've seen that at the Home Office and we saw it
:10:21. > :10:23.with some of the clear direction. With the greatest respect, we heard
:10:24. > :10:26.that from her today and we heard a lot about it in her speech, but we
:10:27. > :10:34.are trying to get a sense from people who know her of what this
:10:35. > :10:39.will look like. Would you call her somebody like Cameron, does she
:10:40. > :10:43.believe in gay marriage, does she believe in the big society? Will she
:10:44. > :10:49.follow that line in his thinking? Well, she supported equal marriage
:10:50. > :10:54.and she was on the front page of the manifesto, the 2015 manifesto, so
:10:55. > :10:58.clearly there is a lot to build on, in delivering the rest of the
:10:59. > :11:02.manifesto but also an agenda and a vision that she set out today.
:11:03. > :11:10.Making sure that the economy works for everyone, the thread of that
:11:11. > :11:13.speech has been the thread of her leadership campaign. Interesting,
:11:14. > :11:17.many people picked up echoes of Ed Miliband, the reference to the
:11:18. > :11:22.predators, capitalism not working for everyone, the sense of getting
:11:23. > :11:27.workers on board, being more accountable. Do you think that's
:11:28. > :11:31.where she is placing herself? She is very clear that the good thing about
:11:32. > :11:37.the last six years is that we have the economy recovering, getting the
:11:38. > :11:41.deficit down, but we must make sure it works for everybody and reaches
:11:42. > :11:45.the parts it hasn't reached. This is an important part of the agenda. Of
:11:46. > :11:49.course you've got to support businesses to create the jobs that
:11:50. > :11:54.people need but that doesn't mean you can't reform the way that the
:11:55. > :11:58.economy works so that the wealth generation is spread more broadly
:11:59. > :12:01.across the country. I think that is something she supports. You said
:12:02. > :12:04.about supporting parts that others can't reach, you must be worried
:12:05. > :12:09.about what this looks like to the rest of the country now, are you, in
:12:10. > :12:18.terms of the solidity of her mandate? Well clearly the country is
:12:19. > :12:21.calling out for some solidity and strength of leadership, that is the
:12:22. > :12:26.strong sense I get, whether you talk to businesses, constituents, people
:12:27. > :12:30.are looking for leadership in Britain. And will they say that this
:12:31. > :12:40.is a leader who has been brought in by 199 MPs, that isn't 17 million
:12:41. > :12:44.people voting for Brexit, is it? She is very clearly going to deliver
:12:45. > :12:50.Brexit, Brexit means Brexit, as she has said. You understand my point,
:12:51. > :12:53.essentially this radical, huge and people in British politics saw David
:12:54. > :12:58.Cameron resigning because he was a Remain Prime Minister and in essence
:12:59. > :13:03.they brought in the girl next door, his Home Secretary, a Remain Home
:13:04. > :13:08.Secretary. Is that going to cause a problem and will you have to go to
:13:09. > :13:11.the country for an election? No, we don't need a general election but we
:13:12. > :13:16.need to listen to the concerns of some of the people who voted to
:13:17. > :13:21.leave and make sure that they are addressed, that's all part of
:13:22. > :13:25.unifying the country. But it needs strongly the ship and it needs that
:13:26. > :13:29.unity and then it needs a bold vision of where the country goes --
:13:30. > :13:35.strongly needs leadership. Things like the amount of money that is
:13:36. > :13:39.paid to international aid, that percentage of GDP, is that something
:13:40. > :13:42.she would say that we've heard a lot of voices within the party and the
:13:43. > :13:50.country saying we need to abolish it? That's clear in the manifesto.
:13:51. > :13:54.What I think we are... What I would expect to see, building on what she
:13:55. > :14:01.said today and what she's to MPs about, making sure that we
:14:02. > :14:05.concentrate not just on wealth creation, but making sure everybody
:14:06. > :14:12.can share a part of it -- talking to MPs about. So the manifesto first
:14:13. > :14:16.and foremost, not a new Brexit manifesto? We have a parliamentary
:14:17. > :14:21.democracy, we have a new Prime Minister who has the full support of
:14:22. > :14:25.the Conservative Party, people who supported her, people who supported
:14:26. > :14:27.other people in the leadership race, now all of them backing Theresa May
:14:28. > :14:32.because she is clearly the best person for the job of Prime Minister
:14:33. > :14:36.right now in a period where Britain needs some unity and strength of
:14:37. > :14:37.leadership and I'm sure that's what she'll provide. Thank you for
:14:38. > :14:38.joining us. Europe has breathed something
:14:39. > :14:42.of a sigh of relief tonight that Britain has at least begun
:14:43. > :14:45.to get its house in order. Theresa May is well known
:14:46. > :14:47.as a negotiator in Brussels, seen as a commendably
:14:48. > :14:49.tough nut after her six In that job, she fought
:14:50. > :14:52.hard to deport foreign criminals from the UK but failed
:14:53. > :14:55.to bring immigration In her first speech today,
:14:56. > :14:58.she pledged to prioritise house building, narrow the gap
:14:59. > :15:00.between employees and fat cats Her pitch was firmly centre ground,
:15:01. > :15:10.some would say borrowing more than a few ideas from
:15:11. > :15:12.the former Labour leaders. Today was supposed to be
:15:13. > :15:20.the first in a series We are only going to get one now
:15:21. > :15:24.but it was pretty striking. A proper industrial strategy
:15:25. > :15:26.wouldn't automatically stop the sale But it should be capable of stepping
:15:27. > :15:30.in to defend a sector that is as important
:15:31. > :15:33.as pharmaceuticals to Britain. The FTSE, for example,
:15:34. > :15:39.is trading at about the same level as it was 18 years ago and it's
:15:40. > :15:42.nearly 10% below its high peak. Yet in the same period,
:15:43. > :15:45.executive pay has more than trebled. So if I'm Prime Minister
:15:46. > :15:49.we are going to change that system and that means having not just
:15:50. > :15:51.consumers represented on company Some commentators were quite
:15:52. > :15:57.surprised by that speech, seeing it as un-Tory,
:15:58. > :16:00.somehow, but what has Theresa May has been Home Secretary
:16:01. > :16:05.for so long that people have She was one of the original arch
:16:06. > :16:09.modernisers, she supported Michael Portillo for leader back
:16:10. > :16:12.in 2001 and in 2002 she gave a speech that has gone down
:16:13. > :16:15.in Conservative Party folklore. Our base is too narrow and so,
:16:16. > :16:18.occasionally, are our sympathies. I know that's unfair,
:16:19. > :16:30.you know that's unfair but it is the people out
:16:31. > :16:32.there we need to convince. What will Prime Minister May do
:16:33. > :16:34.then? She doesn't do speeches for the sake
:16:35. > :16:44.of making speeches. She actually, one of her virtues
:16:45. > :16:47.is that when she said something If she is talking about corporate
:16:48. > :16:53.reform in a leadership campaign that has now ended, she will want to do
:16:54. > :16:58.that in government. As Home Secretary, she imposed
:16:59. > :17:03.elected commissioners on the police shook up stop and search
:17:04. > :17:05.and demanded changes from the Police Federation,
:17:06. > :17:08.which acts as a union The Federation was created by an act
:17:09. > :17:12.of Parliament and it can be reformed If you do not change
:17:13. > :17:17.of your own accord, we will impose Some have read her fight
:17:18. > :17:26.with the police as a sign Theresa took on the police
:17:27. > :17:37.because she saw it as an unreformed area of public services
:17:38. > :17:40.where she could build up some sort of anti-union credentials
:17:41. > :17:42.but when it came to the security services and tackling terrorism,
:17:43. > :17:44.she has always been I think you can see that in the way
:17:45. > :17:49.she pushed for the Snoopers' Charter without even questioning
:17:50. > :17:50.what the agencies wanted. There is a consensus among
:17:51. > :17:53.people who have worked with her that she is a Tory public
:17:54. > :17:58.service reformer, not a liberal. There is a lot going on in the big
:17:59. > :18:01.public services, schools or at health or work and pensions
:18:02. > :18:03.so we will probably What I think we will probably see
:18:04. > :18:09.is there will be other areas of policy that she might
:18:10. > :18:12.want to focus on with a lot We know that Michael Gove has been
:18:13. > :18:16.doing a lot of interesting work in justice and that would be one
:18:17. > :18:20.area I hope she would do. The mark against Theresa May for
:18:21. > :18:24.many people is that she continually missed the 100,000 person a year
:18:25. > :18:27.net immigration target. But she annoyed swathes
:18:28. > :18:29.of government as she She was a very tough
:18:30. > :18:36.negotiator, very tough. And the business department
:18:37. > :18:38.in which I worked did not win all the arguments we would have
:18:39. > :18:41.with the Home Office. This is part of why some
:18:42. > :18:50.ministers say she is chilly. That and lots of journalists
:18:51. > :18:53.dislike her absence from the usual Westminster old boys clubs
:18:54. > :18:55.but Theresa May develops allies For example, she has a good rapport
:18:56. > :18:58.with Bernard Cazeneuve, We can't say that much
:18:59. > :19:04.about our new Prime Minister but Theresa May's instincts
:19:05. > :19:06.are radical and her speech today suggests she is still serious
:19:07. > :19:14.about reaching beyond the Tory base. Joining me now, Crispin Blunt,
:19:15. > :19:17.who worked with May in his role as Justice Minister,
:19:18. > :19:18.and Theresa May's good friend the former Tory Treasurer,
:19:19. > :19:29.Lady Catherine Meyer. Thank you for coming in. I'm going
:19:30. > :19:33.to start with you, Lady Catherine. You have known her for 12 years and
:19:34. > :19:37.it was interesting hearing Chris sake we don't know much, we don't
:19:38. > :19:43.know a woman who has been right at the heart of politics for ten years.
:19:44. > :19:48.That is the person she is. People have a perception of her on the
:19:49. > :19:54.outside but people don't know her privately and privately she is very
:19:55. > :19:59.kind and caring person. I have known her for 12 years, professionally and
:20:00. > :20:03.also as a friend and also professionally not only as a member
:20:04. > :20:08.of the Tory party but as I run a charity to deal with missing and
:20:09. > :20:12.abducted children and she has been quite amazing. She is a person who
:20:13. > :20:17.really cares, she cares about children, about human issues. You
:20:18. > :20:22.talk to her and she listens to you and there is a completely different
:20:23. > :20:27.side to her. Do you think that side will have to come out now? We saw
:20:28. > :20:30.her publish photos of her childhood and wedding and her parents for the
:20:31. > :20:36.first time. Does she acknowledged she has to bridge the gap? Maybe it
:20:37. > :20:41.is because it is what the media demands but I also admire her for
:20:42. > :20:46.being so stomach. She is the person she is. She is different, she does
:20:47. > :20:49.not wear her heart on her sleeve, she does not come out and do
:20:50. > :20:55.television all the time. She does not need all this attention. She is
:20:56. > :20:58.a hard-working woman who is loyal and direct and of course people need
:20:59. > :21:04.to know her more but they need also to respect her, respect the calm
:21:05. > :21:11.hard-working person she is to lead our country. This is the moment the
:21:12. > :21:15.proverbial alien lands and says the bucket is won and they have
:21:16. > :21:19.imploded. It cannot make sense, what has gone on -- Brexiteer Bubba. One
:21:20. > :21:28.after leaders vanish or self-destruct. She
:21:29. > :21:32.stepped into space by making it clear that she will deliver Brexit.
:21:33. > :21:39.Given how businesslike she is and how focused she is on delivery, that
:21:40. > :21:41.gives me confidence at somebody who supported the Leave campaign that
:21:42. > :21:51.she will deliver it. You can happily waved goodbye? I voted Out, I have
:21:52. > :21:56.been a Eurosceptic for 20 years but I think she is the right person. I
:21:57. > :22:01.know Theresa and when she says she is going to do something, I should
:22:02. > :22:04.not call her Theresa, I should call her the future Prime Minister but
:22:05. > :22:09.when she said she would do something, she will do it. Do you
:22:10. > :22:15.have a niggling sense she might have voted Out in her privacy? No because
:22:16. > :22:20.she is a loyal person. The Prime Minister was In and she followed the
:22:21. > :22:23.primary step. When we talk about the Cameron government or the Blair
:22:24. > :22:26.government, we think of good friends who have known each other for years
:22:27. > :22:31.but she does not have that support system. What you see is what you get
:22:32. > :22:38.which is white your suggestion that she might have voted Out is
:22:39. > :22:42.completely misreading her. She is very direct. She would see that is
:22:43. > :22:45.completely wrong to do that and any suggestion that her supporters would
:22:46. > :22:49.go off and vote for Michael Gove in order to get him in the final, she
:22:50. > :22:54.had plenty of votes at her disposal and they could have run an operation
:22:55. > :22:59.to get Michael Gove past Leadsom but she was crystal kit that was not to
:23:00. > :23:04.happen. She was quite quiet in terms of how much of herself she put out
:23:05. > :23:09.into the Remain campaign. She would have been carefully controlled. She
:23:10. > :23:12.is the minister responsible for immigration which was not an issue
:23:13. > :23:15.that the Remain campaign wanted to focus on so that is probably an
:23:16. > :23:22.explanation about the management of the campaign. I just think that she
:23:23. > :23:28.is a loyal person, very Eurosceptic she knows the EU, she will be a
:23:29. > :23:34.fantastic negotiator for us. She is a Eurosceptic. So she only voted
:23:35. > :23:39.remaining group out of loyalty? Because she is a pragmatist and she
:23:40. > :23:44.looked at the facts and decided, also being a loyal person, that it
:23:45. > :23:47.was better to stay in but I think she is very sceptical of the
:23:48. > :23:53.European Union and this is what I would say to all Brexit people who
:23:54. > :24:00.doubt her, there is no way when she says, Brexit is Brexit, she means
:24:01. > :24:06.it. And I also wanted a sense that she could see the opportunities for
:24:07. > :24:11.the UK outside the EU. And very quickly she easily got into that
:24:12. > :24:17.territory. That is the outward, Brexit facing side but what about
:24:18. > :24:24.domestically? Who is her set? Who is her sofa? I think that is wonderful,
:24:25. > :24:27.where she is so different to the other prime ministers. Most of the
:24:28. > :24:33.people who come into number ten, it is normal, they come in with their
:24:34. > :24:37.set of friends. That is normal, you want to be surrounded by people you
:24:38. > :24:42.can trust. But I believe that Theresa is very different to that.
:24:43. > :24:45.She will come in and look pragmatically at who are the right
:24:46. > :24:49.people, the people who can do the job, and she does not have a group
:24:50. > :24:58.of friends to bring in with her. Would you agree? Completely. That is
:24:59. > :25:02.what makes her different, she will take a businesslike assessment
:25:03. > :25:06.people's abilities. It is white we thought she would find it difficult
:25:07. > :25:09.in the leadership race because there were not an army of mates for her,
:25:10. > :25:13.she had not created that personal group. And we should not be worried
:25:14. > :25:17.about a woman who does not have an army of mates. They give very much.
:25:18. > :25:18.-- thank you very much. So, the contest that would have been
:25:19. > :25:22.determined by the vote of just 0.25% of the population was in the end
:25:23. > :25:25.determined by a microscopic 0.00055% This, to answer the unrest
:25:26. > :25:29.of 17 million voters complaining So how credible is it
:25:30. > :25:35.to install, crown, a Remainer? And what do those in
:25:36. > :25:58.the Brexit heartlands feel? In the end it was a race that was
:25:59. > :26:01.never really run. The contenders for the Conservative leadership were
:26:02. > :26:07.eliminated or resigned leaving Theresa May the winner. But how well
:26:08. > :26:12.a Prime Minister in favour of Remain go down in Brexit heartlands like
:26:13. > :26:19.Harlow in Essex? Did she went a lot of races? Dave owns the Greyhound
:26:20. > :26:22.racing Stadium here and was a firm Leave supporter. He wanted Michael
:26:23. > :26:26.Gove to be leader and believes he should have been let back into the
:26:27. > :26:32.race. I would like to see Michael Gove reinstated and let the
:26:33. > :26:37.Conservative Party vote. Why do you think it is important? There is a
:26:38. > :26:40.lot of people out there who have joined the Conservative Party, I'm
:26:41. > :26:47.not saying which the way they would have gone, but I think they have
:26:48. > :26:56.then a trooper minister. -- true Prime Minister. Up the road at the
:26:57. > :26:59.Cannon Brook Cull .com the chair of the local Conservative Association
:27:00. > :27:00.says they have seen a big increase in members joining since the
:27:01. > :27:16.referendum. -- Kallenberg golf club. I don't think she did a lot for the
:27:17. > :27:20.Remain camp. Is that one of the reasons why you find her more
:27:21. > :27:24.acceptable? I think it is more the experience she has. She is
:27:25. > :27:31.compassionate and I think she will bring the party back together again.
:27:32. > :27:36.But did the Tory Leave voters on the course agree? I don't think it
:27:37. > :27:40.should be a walkover, you have not done anything and nobody has voted
:27:41. > :27:45.for you and you have just stepped in. Do you think she might not
:27:46. > :27:50.implement the full Brexit? I don't think she will, I think she must
:27:51. > :27:57.have her own views and you will always try to put your own views in
:27:58. > :28:00.front of other things. I think the Prime Minister might set the scene
:28:01. > :28:04.but there are too many Cabinet ministers around, if she does stray
:28:05. > :28:08.off the beaten track, they will correct. And you don't worry that
:28:09. > :28:13.she might try to soften the impact of Brexit and sneakily get us back
:28:14. > :28:20.in? There is no chance in hell that we will get a second referendum on
:28:21. > :28:26.the European think it is done and dusted, finished. On Wednesday,
:28:27. > :28:32.Theresa May tees off as PM. Most Brexiteers here seem willing to give
:28:33. > :28:33.her a chance but only if she implement the policies they voted
:28:34. > :28:34.for. The party expected the launch
:28:35. > :28:38.of Angela Eagle's leadership bid But by lunchtime even she herself
:28:39. > :28:46.was looking round the deserted room But the party knows it may
:28:47. > :28:49.have to ready itself Talk us through the bit
:28:50. > :29:03.that no one really saw. Pitied Paul Angela Eagle, she
:29:04. > :29:07.launched her campaign and it was overshadowed by Andrea Leadsom's
:29:08. > :29:10.decision to drop out of the Conservative leadership contest but
:29:11. > :29:14.if they had been there, they would have seen that Angela Eagle had
:29:15. > :29:18.quite a cross-section of support, Harriet Harman and those from the
:29:19. > :29:23.left. Essentially Angela Eagle's message is that she is from the left
:29:24. > :29:25.and she represents a change not of ideology but personnel, from
:29:26. > :29:33.incompetence, to competence. This is what she said. Well I think we know
:29:34. > :29:37.that to be the leader of the Labour Party you have to lead in Parliament
:29:38. > :29:44.too. We've seen Jeremy not do that job. He's been hiding behind a door,
:29:45. > :29:48.not talking to his members of Parliament. That's not leadership.
:29:49. > :29:52.We need a leader who can take the confidence of the parliamentary
:29:53. > :30:01.party with him, and he hasn't been able to do that. And what happens
:30:02. > :30:04.now? The ballot is where things get complicated. There is a membership
:30:05. > :30:08.of the executive committee which will decide whether Jeremy Corbyn
:30:09. > :30:13.must do what Angela Eagle has done, get at least 51 signatures
:30:14. > :30:16.supporting his candidacy. Jeremy Corbyn has some legal advice which
:30:17. > :30:21.says he is automatically on the ballot because party walls talk
:30:22. > :30:25.about how challengers need nominations but Iain McNicol, the
:30:26. > :30:31.Labour Party general secretary says he has legal advice saying that all
:30:32. > :30:34.candidates must be treated equally, meaning Corbyn must get 51
:30:35. > :30:42.signatures to be there. There will be eight Bush at the NEC meeting to
:30:43. > :30:46.have a ballot to do it on secret -- there will be a push. There will be
:30:47. > :30:50.members of the NEC who may be wary of putting their heads above the
:30:51. > :30:54.parapet but if it is in private, they may go against Corbyn. Whatever
:30:55. > :30:56.decision they make, it's going to be in the courts. We'll be watching
:30:57. > :30:58.tomorrow. It is only Monday -
:30:59. > :31:01.remind yourself of that - but by the middle of the week
:31:02. > :31:03.the country will have Cameron's Conservatism will belong
:31:04. > :31:06.to history and May's Britain will spell out how to begin divorce
:31:07. > :31:09.from the EU and establish Britain's credentials with the
:31:10. > :31:11.rest of the world. With us now, Francis Maude, Tessa
:31:12. > :31:29.Jowell and perhaps Alex Salmond. We will see if he joins us. Nice to
:31:30. > :31:34.have you here. The thing I have been aware of the day, without realising
:31:35. > :31:38.it, is that the whispering has gone, the Conservative whispering has
:31:39. > :31:45.pretty much gone now. Do you think this was blood-letting? Do you think
:31:46. > :31:49.they have got their loyalty back after this? We are generally quite
:31:50. > :31:54.good at that. It wasn't so good after Thatcher left because she cast
:31:55. > :31:59.a very long shadow and the circumstances of her being, as it
:32:00. > :32:05.were, the Venice traded, were quite brutal, it was quite quick and it
:32:06. > :32:09.took time for the wounds to heal -- as it were, thrown out of the
:32:10. > :32:14.window. This is a different event, events coming around in a different
:32:15. > :32:18.way. I wonder if it looks to you, you can see the mess that Labour is
:32:19. > :32:22.in, there is something so brutal about the way the Tories do this
:32:23. > :32:29.stuff, but they get back into power, that's how it happens. Well, members
:32:30. > :32:34.of the Labour Party, members of Parliament are absolutely hating
:32:35. > :32:38.this. I think it's impossible to describe the depths of despair that
:32:39. > :32:47.a lot of members of Parliament feel. This being the Corbyn row? Jeremy
:32:48. > :32:55.Corbett insisting on staying on, you know, not engaging with the peace
:32:56. > :33:01.talks or the withdrawal talks, transition talks with Tom Watson,
:33:02. > :33:04.insisting on staying when 80% of the parliamentary party have lost
:33:05. > :33:10.confidence in him. It's a terrible place to be. I mean, whatever else
:33:11. > :33:19.it is, it is the height of selfishness. It is absolutely the
:33:20. > :33:23.case that we now have a party of about 600,000 people, but the only
:33:24. > :33:29.purpose of a political party is to build a road to power. Because the
:33:30. > :33:32.Labour Party in government can transform this country for the
:33:33. > :33:38.better, transform people's lives in ways that they can't do on their
:33:39. > :33:45.own. So the Tories have a free rein in power, for the foreseeable
:33:46. > :33:49.future? And I hope that it will be that. I think you are wrapping up
:33:50. > :33:57.far too many long-term generalisations in that. The Labour
:33:58. > :34:00.Party has to get itself back to the left of centre progressive grounds
:34:01. > :34:05.that represents the consensus of politics in this country, reach out
:34:06. > :34:09.to those communities who feel they have been underrepresented and
:34:10. > :34:14.forgotten. I think it's very clear what could be done quickly by a
:34:15. > :34:20.government that recognised that it really mattered. Is Theresa May
:34:21. > :34:24.correct to rule out a general election when there will be this
:34:25. > :34:27.Gordon Brown like shadow hanging over her, giving her a smaller
:34:28. > :34:32.mandate? It is different circumstances because everyone knew
:34:33. > :34:38.that Tony Blair was not going to do the entire term, the timing wasn't
:34:39. > :34:42.planned but everyone knew that there would be a succession from Tony, to
:34:43. > :34:47.Gordon Brown. This is quite different. There is an urgent set of
:34:48. > :34:52.issues to deal with. Thank God we don't have to go through nine weeks
:34:53. > :34:55.of a leadership election, we can get a new Prime Minister quickly, that's
:34:56. > :34:59.great, but to say that we can't do anything until an election, that
:35:00. > :35:02.would be really bad. To pick up your point about whether the
:35:03. > :35:09.Conservatives have free rein, absolutely not. We went through, 15
:35:10. > :35:14.years ago, a period when Tony Blair was winning elections. Who is
:35:15. > :35:19.holding you to account now? We will be held to account in many different
:35:20. > :35:25.ways. It probably felt, when we were a very diminished while ari force
:35:26. > :35:29.after the 97 and 2001 elections after Labour wasn't held to account
:35:30. > :35:35.-- diminished parliamentary force. The interesting thing is that
:35:36. > :35:38.Theresa May was one of the first to see that actually the Conservative
:35:39. > :35:46.Party needed to change in order to be able to appeal, much more widely.
:35:47. > :35:51.Some of that may be beyond your control. She saw it before David
:35:52. > :35:56.Cameron, who then embodied it and lead the Conservative Party to be
:35:57. > :35:58.much more broad, to appeal much more widely, geographically and socially
:35:59. > :36:04.and ethnically, to have much more appeal to women than we had done.
:36:05. > :36:09.Theresa was there before David. Do you think there is a chance, this is
:36:10. > :36:13.Alex Salmond's point, that she could be the last Prime Minister of the
:36:14. > :36:21.United Kingdom? Well, let me unpick the question. I think I would
:36:22. > :36:25.disagree with Francis. I think a Prime Minister needs to have their
:36:26. > :36:33.own mandate and therefore the question about a general election is
:36:34. > :36:39.a question about timing. Not that I'm advising her, but I think there
:36:40. > :36:44.is so much uncertainty about the content, the terms of the Brexit
:36:45. > :36:49.negotiations, I think she should have a general election, once it is
:36:50. > :36:53.clearer. It would be good for those in the centre of Labour, wouldn't
:36:54. > :36:58.it? I think it absolutely worth, and it would be a good as -- it would be
:36:59. > :37:01.good as a way of answering questions many people in the country have, now
:37:02. > :37:08.they realise the scale of the uncertainty. That merges into having
:37:09. > :37:12.a rerun, not liking the result of the referendum, therefore we are we
:37:13. > :37:18.running it. It would be incredibly dangerous for democracy if we see
:37:19. > :37:23.what we have seen elsewhere in the EU, you get a result in a referendum
:37:24. > :37:28.that you don't like, so you go back again and again. You can't have
:37:29. > :37:35.that. You have to provide more certainty than the inner and out
:37:36. > :37:40.vote provides. We already seeing consequences of the votes that were
:37:41. > :37:47.anticipated in the campaign. You know, I was undeclared, I took no
:37:48. > :37:51.part in this,... How did you do that? Very easily, and I'm happy
:37:52. > :37:55.that I did because I thought that both sides were making very
:37:56. > :38:00.overblown campaigns. The Leave campaign were claiming things that
:38:01. > :38:06.were inconsistent and the Remain were making claims of doom and
:38:07. > :38:11.gloom... The last 48-hour is of David Cameron, I wonder how you will
:38:12. > :38:17.both see his premiership? One that ended in tears or one that didn't?
:38:18. > :38:21.Sadly, this is going to colour it a lot and that's a sad way for it to
:38:22. > :38:26.end because he's been a very good leader of the party and the country.
:38:27. > :38:31.He has always conveyed a sense that he's of speaking to the country, of
:38:32. > :38:36.rising to the big occasions. There has never been a time, just as I
:38:37. > :38:40.would say, as someone who always thought of Tony Blair as someone who
:38:41. > :38:46.was able to represent the country, someone where you saw him... The
:38:47. > :38:56.centre ground, in some way. Hearing Theresa May's speech, that was tanks
:38:57. > :39:02.parked firmly on Ed Miliband... Yes, and her strapline could have been
:39:03. > :39:08.from a speech by Ed Miliband or manifesto. That makes the point, the
:39:09. > :39:14.political centre of gravity is just that. It is the centre ground. David
:39:15. > :39:21.Cameron wanted to occupy that space in the way that Tony Blair did.
:39:22. > :39:24.That's why the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, understanding that he is
:39:25. > :39:29.trying to take the Labour Party in a direction that the people of this
:39:30. > :39:35.country will reject, is so wrong and that is why he should stand down. I
:39:36. > :39:43.think Angela has shown great courage in being prepared to take the fight.
:39:44. > :39:46.You probably know in your heart of hearts that she is no more likely to
:39:47. > :39:53.become Prime Minister than Corbyn is. Listen, we're in a time of great
:39:54. > :40:01.uncertainty. Was that a yes or no? Let's see. We should get out of the
:40:02. > :40:06.prediction business, actually! I was going to ask you, looking at 2016.
:40:07. > :40:10.There are not these kinds of certainties and the nature of
:40:11. > :40:16.politics is so dynamic and changing. What people want from politicians is
:40:17. > :40:20.changing. I think if anything must change, it is the elite showing more
:40:21. > :40:27.humility, and becoming more activist. The most commonly heard
:40:28. > :40:31.words over the last couple of weeks, "Haven't you heard, it's all
:40:32. > :40:32.changed". Or a four letter expletives! Thank you for joining
:40:33. > :40:35.us. Well, that's all we have time
:40:36. > :40:37.for tonight, but what David Cameron was heard whistling
:40:38. > :40:41.a tune under his breath that no one He was worried the door wouldn't be
:40:42. > :40:47.opened for him if staff didn't On that note, we leave you with some
:40:48. > :40:51.of the images of the Cameron premiership you might remember,
:40:52. > :40:55.and some he'll wish you'd forgotten. MUSIC: "I Know It's
:40:56. > :41:00.Over" - The Smiths. Taking a risk, having a punt,
:41:01. > :41:22.having a go, that pumps me up! So we will have a new Prime Minister
:41:23. > :42:01.in that building behind me A week is a long time in politics
:42:02. > :42:04.and the weather is pretty interesting as well. Sunshine and
:42:05. > :42:07.showers but no two days the same.