:00:24. > :00:34.Donald Trump breaks with convention, appearing on the first day and using
:00:35. > :00:39.his wife that is keynote speaker. The nomination moves into the final
:00:40. > :00:45.phase, but he has had to fight a last rearguard action. Meanwhile,
:00:46. > :00:52.his wife is a cruised of plagiarism. That your word is your bond and you
:00:53. > :00:58.do what you say. That your word is your bond, that you say you are --
:00:59. > :01:03.that you do what you say you will. Will it get in that all-important
:01:04. > :01:06.female vote? I think most women are like me. You have heard enough of it
:01:07. > :01:15.through the years that you don't excuse it, and you don't embrace it,
:01:16. > :01:24.but you push it aside. Also tonight: Argue supporting Jeremy Corbyn? Are
:01:25. > :01:25.you interested in voting for Jeremy Corbyn?
:01:26. > :01:27.It certainly feels like summer, but it is no summer of love
:01:28. > :01:30.The campaign to topple Jeremy Corbyn is underway
:01:31. > :01:45.I'm not convinced Owen Smith can win an election. Jeremy Corbyn
:01:46. > :01:46.definitely can't. We will have to disagree.
:01:47. > :01:53.And the great debate about handing over ARM Holdings to the Japanese.
:01:54. > :01:56.We speak to the last man to sell a British technology
:01:57. > :02:16.Good evening from Cleveland, Ohio, for the Republican convention has
:02:17. > :02:21.been dominated by a row about plagiarism. Mrs Trump accused of
:02:22. > :02:26.using parts of an old speech, recycling perhaps, that me Shell
:02:27. > :02:32.Obama made some eight years ago to kick-off the convention as a keynote
:02:33. > :02:35.last night. In some ways it is just a continuation of things that Mr
:02:36. > :02:40.Trump has been accused of over the years, blasting his name and brand
:02:41. > :02:48.onto a range of things he did not entirely create, is perhaps it has
:02:49. > :02:50.-- perhaps it is that the speeches sound pretty much the same, whoever
:02:51. > :02:55.wrote them and indeed whoever delivers them. But the words which
:02:56. > :03:01.have, we understand, infuriated Trump, at least overshadowed a
:03:02. > :03:06.last-ditch attempt to overturn the nomination and stop it going to him.
:03:07. > :03:11.We headed to the convention for itself for a bit of the backbiting
:03:12. > :03:19.and gossip which make up part of convention life here.
:03:20. > :03:24.The convention normally signifies the high watermark of the
:03:25. > :03:30.candidate's ascendancy, the moment when the great and the good of the
:03:31. > :03:35.party of speeches and endorsements. This will be remembered not for who
:03:36. > :03:43.came Butler who chose to stay away. Three former Republican nominees.
:03:44. > :03:47.Who is talking? You will find out it is most of Mr Trump's family. It was
:03:48. > :03:55.kicked off by his supermodel wife. First up, Melania Trump,
:03:56. > :04:05.introduced by the man himself. All good, until a journalist spots
:04:06. > :04:08.the similarities with a speech Michelle Obama had made,
:04:09. > :04:11.some eight years ago. Whenever you have such an amazing
:04:12. > :04:17.group of people, and the message they were bringing forward,
:04:18. > :04:19.you've got to find something. They found something
:04:20. > :04:20.with Melania's speech. I don't think it was plagiarism,
:04:21. > :04:27.I think she spoke from her heart, and she is not the only woman
:04:28. > :04:30.who has a child who is worried Many here saw the row
:04:31. > :04:34.as confected conspiracy. Nevertheless, the blame game has
:04:35. > :04:37.begun, with Trump said to be furious He has just doused the flames
:04:38. > :04:42.of the last row, a vote on the floor by some delegates,
:04:43. > :04:45.they say to change rules But others saw this as an 11th hour
:04:46. > :04:52.plot to try to stop Trump by one There is still a contingent
:04:53. > :04:55.of people that are clinging to power in the final hours,
:04:56. > :04:58.in a desperate manner, trying to pull ridiculous floor
:04:59. > :05:02.moves, saying it was about rules. Ted Cruz, and the
:05:03. > :05:12.Never Trump people. Ken Kuching, Nellie from Virginia,
:05:13. > :05:18.what they did is they attempted a ruse, a guise, a fraud,
:05:19. > :05:21.and basically the biggest lie in this convention
:05:22. > :05:24.is that this fight had Is this about the next
:05:25. > :05:28.time round, then? No, we had things about getting rid
:05:29. > :05:34.of lawyers on the RNC, things about taking away powers
:05:35. > :05:36.from the chairman of the RNC, We put in changes to get at the most
:05:37. > :05:42.outrageous things that Donald Trump rightfully complained
:05:43. > :05:45.about in the nomination process, we put amendments in to change that,
:05:46. > :05:49.and they were shot down by the RNC So, is the coup attempt properly
:05:50. > :05:54.over? Watch what happens when I
:05:55. > :05:56.asked the former Texas Oh, I think it's always,
:05:57. > :06:02.it's democracy, this is what we do. Sometimes folks in other places
:06:03. > :06:05.don't understand that's how democracy works,
:06:06. > :06:07.but this is nothing out Is he rattled by what
:06:08. > :06:17.he has heard today? Team Trump were putting a united
:06:18. > :06:26.front on, his newly appointed running mate Mike Pence centrestage,
:06:27. > :06:29.the man, rumour has it, Trump regretted the moment
:06:30. > :06:31.he'd appointed him. So I caught up with the man long
:06:32. > :06:34.expected to be Trump's running mate, Governor, are you feeling
:06:35. > :06:38.confident about By the way, we're just next
:06:39. > :06:49.in New Hampshire, it is over, buddy! Did they get the wrong
:06:50. > :06:54.VP, sir? I've no idea, you'll have
:06:55. > :07:01.to ask him. Did he tell you about
:07:02. > :07:06.that, did he call you? I don't ever talk about my
:07:07. > :07:18.conversations with Donald. Chris Christie scuttling away on
:07:19. > :07:21.that question of whether he might have been the right vice
:07:22. > :07:25.presidential choice. People speak on the main stage tonight, endorsing
:07:26. > :07:34.Donald Trump as the best man to be president. Let's talk to our guests.
:07:35. > :07:41.Nice to have both of you. How do you see this? Is it going well for Trump
:07:42. > :07:46.so far? There are blips and accusations of plagiarism. And the
:07:47. > :07:51.fact that the speeches went on way too long last night. Some of this is
:07:52. > :07:55.just convention bumps. They never go perfectly. But I think it is unusual
:07:56. > :08:00.just how bumpy this has been. The question is, how many people are
:08:01. > :08:03.paying attention? I think some people are starting to tune in and
:08:04. > :08:15.they might be confused by what is happening in this election. The Fox
:08:16. > :08:20.viewing audience know this intimately. The American population
:08:21. > :08:23.in general is not familiar with it and there were some ins and outs to
:08:24. > :08:26.the scandal last night. That might be some confusion about who we are
:08:27. > :08:30.nominating here and what the future is that we are talking about. When
:08:31. > :08:34.we're talking about who we are nominating, do we think that is now
:08:35. > :08:39.the end of that last-ditch attempt? We spoke to the plotters last night
:08:40. > :08:44.and they have said, we are moving on. It was over weeks ago, actually.
:08:45. > :08:48.It does not mean that the Republican party is unified. One of the great
:08:49. > :08:52.challenges of the next few days is to demonstrate to the American
:08:53. > :08:56.people, if you cannot bring a political party together, how can
:08:57. > :08:59.you bring a nation together? In focus group, the number one
:09:00. > :09:04.complaint about this election cycle is that it is causing greater
:09:05. > :09:08.divisiveness. They are angry at both candidates for being so negative. It
:09:09. > :09:16.is essential for Trump if he is to have a reasonable shot that they
:09:17. > :09:20.walk away from here, and the religious, economic conservatives
:09:21. > :09:24.and moderates are in line. That would have been true in the past,
:09:25. > :09:29.but the way that Trump operates is this idea of yin and yang. When he
:09:30. > :09:35.criticises one group, another group adores him. Maybe he can get by
:09:36. > :09:40.without unifying. Hillary Clinton has the same challenge on the
:09:41. > :09:43.Democratic side. There is still one in four Bernie Sanders voters who
:09:44. > :09:48.does not want to vote for Hillary Clinton. She cannot win without
:09:49. > :09:57.bringing them over. Hillary Clinton has been so present in the speeches.
:09:58. > :10:04.She is like the which enemy in terms of nominees. And you are using
:10:05. > :10:10.language that they were deuce. It is graphic language to use to describe
:10:11. > :10:14.an enemy. And she is described as an enemy. It is not my worthy opponent,
:10:15. > :10:20.the leader of the other party. There used to be a tradition that we are
:10:21. > :10:23.old enough to remember that you did not name your opponent at all. You
:10:24. > :10:28.referred to the other party or your challenger. They are not even
:10:29. > :10:33.running against the Democrats, they are running against Hillary, and I
:10:34. > :10:36.think the problem is that we have the most unpopular candidates in the
:10:37. > :10:40.history of modern electoral politics. They are continuing to
:10:41. > :10:44.drive each other down, and that is turning off a lot of people. Young
:10:45. > :10:48.people are incredibly disappointed. This is the common than later. You
:10:49. > :10:54.mention Hillary, and then you mention a placard saying Hillary the
:10:55. > :10:58.prison. You mention Benghazi, and then you say, why should we try to
:10:59. > :11:04.stop was when we should be winning them? It appeals to a lower common
:11:05. > :11:07.than later. The first person to use the word enemy was Hillary Clinton
:11:08. > :11:11.in one of the only democratic debates. They asked, who is your
:11:12. > :11:16.enemy? She said, the Republican party. That has never happened
:11:17. > :11:23.before. It goes both ways. I think that is correct. She said that. I am
:11:24. > :11:27.not always sympathetic to but she is sometimes at her best when she is
:11:28. > :11:34.tangling with whom she identifies as her enemy. She is not a uniter
:11:35. > :11:41.herself. She does best in tough mode. Briefly, we were expecting the
:11:42. > :11:44.whole convention to be overrun with protest and quite solid angry
:11:45. > :11:52.protest. You think that is still to come, do you? I do. The helicopters,
:11:53. > :11:56.I was listening to the police scanner, and they think it is about
:11:57. > :11:59.one fifth of a mile from the convention hall. They will have a
:12:00. > :12:06.problem tonight, so there are more police ear, greater concern for
:12:07. > :12:10.security. It will happen at both conventions. One thing we should say
:12:11. > :12:15.is, the reason there was so much attention paid to Melania's speech
:12:16. > :12:21.last night and today is that Melania speaks to women and Republicans need
:12:22. > :12:25.women. 53% of the US electorate are women, and they need that votes to
:12:26. > :12:28.really turn this around. We will be hearing about the women's vote
:12:29. > :12:31.little later in the programme. Back to you.
:12:32. > :12:33.Thank you very much indeed. So, who will be leader
:12:34. > :12:35.of the opposition? Shortly after 5 o'clock this
:12:36. > :12:38.afternoon, we learned that it's not She withdrew, clear that she had
:12:39. > :12:42.less support from MPs than her rival There's no formal rule that stops
:12:43. > :12:47.a woman rising to the top of the Labour Party,
:12:48. > :12:49.it just never seems to happen. And so the great contest
:12:50. > :12:51.this summer is between It's already underway,
:12:52. > :12:54.and if you support the aims of the Labour Party,
:12:55. > :12:57.you can vote in it if you want by paying ?25
:12:58. > :13:03.and registering by 5pm tomorrow. More expensive than voting
:13:04. > :13:05.in X Factor, but more important too. Our political editor Nick Watt
:13:06. > :13:15.is with me. Nick, the campaigns have started
:13:16. > :13:21.coming the race is on. But do we know so far? Mixed picture for
:13:22. > :13:25.Jeremy Corbyn. He took a hit today when his attempts to overturn some
:13:26. > :13:29.strict rules of the NEC, ?25 to be a registered supporter, that stays. A
:13:30. > :13:34.February cut-off to be a member, that stays. It appears that around
:13:35. > :13:38.40,000 people may have signed up as registered supporters. The deadline
:13:39. > :13:45.is tomorrow. We know that because a Labour figure says the party has
:13:46. > :13:48.taken ?1 million in the last few days will stop divide that by 25 and
:13:49. > :13:52.you get 40,000. We know that Jeremy Corbyn is trying to reprieve is the
:13:53. > :13:58.successful tactics he had last year, so lots of union support. A senior
:13:59. > :14:02.source told me that there are 50 people operating telephones in Unite
:14:03. > :14:06.offices today, talking to supporters. Momentum, the group
:14:07. > :14:10.supporting Corbin, they sent out an e-mail to supporters saying, you can
:14:11. > :14:13.phone up, canvas people from the comfort of your sitting room using
:14:14. > :14:19.our special application. They devised that last year and it worked
:14:20. > :14:21.very well. We will discuss this in a few minutes, but if Jeremy Corbyn
:14:22. > :14:32.wins, does the party split? I sense that the anti-Corbyn forces
:14:33. > :14:35.since they face a formidable challenge because there was that
:14:36. > :14:39.YouGov poll that said Jeremy Corbyn was ahead against any candidate. But
:14:40. > :14:44.I do not sense there is an appetite for a split. There is an appetite
:14:45. > :14:48.for amongst the plotters amongst them is for a war of attrition. To
:14:49. > :14:52.keep coming back, to say that he will fail, to come back again, and
:14:53. > :14:57.interestingly denied there was talk on providing the tradition that was
:14:58. > :15:01.abandoned by Ed Miliband, to have elections to the Shadow Cabinet, and
:15:02. > :15:06.what that would mean would be that Jeremy Corbyn would not be able to
:15:07. > :15:12.appoint his Shadow Cabinet, and remember 176 out of 231 Labour MPs
:15:13. > :15:16.said they had no confident in him. They would be appointing the Shadow
:15:17. > :15:19.Cabinet. We will talk about some of that.
:15:20. > :15:21.Well, I would say that it feels like a right royal battle
:15:22. > :15:25.for the heart and soul of the Labour party, except many in the party
:15:26. > :15:29.But what is clear is that a weird democratic experiment is underway.
:15:30. > :15:31.Given the window of 48 hours in which you can pay,
:15:32. > :15:33.register and then vote, the whole campaigning effort
:15:34. > :15:36.by the different sides is directed at getting supporters to sign up.
:15:37. > :15:38.And all by tomorrow afternoon at five.
:15:39. > :15:39.A huge mobilisation is underway: grassroots campaigners.
:15:40. > :15:43.There is the Momentum group, backing Jeremy Corbyn.
:15:44. > :15:45.And another group called Saving Labour, backing
:15:46. > :15:49.Secunder Kermani has spent the last two days on the Labour front line.
:15:50. > :15:58.A warning, his piece contained some comradely language.
:15:59. > :16:06.Are you interested in voting against Jeremy Corbyn? Across the country
:16:07. > :16:13.rival Labour factions are battling it out, vying for the backing of
:16:14. > :16:18.party member is. But the focus now is on ordinary supporters, who have
:16:19. > :16:26.until tomorrow afternoon to register for a say in the leadership race if
:16:27. > :16:30.they paid ?25. Jeremy Corbyn is a... Disgrace. Rush-hour in central
:16:31. > :16:35.London, and Saving Labour are trying to convince people to sign up to
:16:36. > :16:39.vote out Jeremy Corbyn. Have never known a time like it, this guy is
:16:40. > :16:43.appalling at every level. I'm Jewish as well, so I am feeling the
:16:44. > :16:48.anti-Semitism in my own party, and quite frankly now is the time for
:16:49. > :16:51.people to actually step forward, and I'm thinking of it myself at the
:16:52. > :16:56.moment, to actually step forward and actually save this party. If Mr
:16:57. > :17:01.Miliband, and I'm talking about David now, actually thinks anything
:17:02. > :17:05.of this party now, OK, so his charity job in New York City, get
:17:06. > :17:09.back and sort this out. But right now we need you to sign up, and get
:17:10. > :17:13.rid of Corbyn, I know it is along the than that but it is like
:17:14. > :17:17.chopping the head off a monster. We are campaigning for strong
:17:18. > :17:21.leadership. You don't think Corbyn is a strong leader? About you like
:17:22. > :17:26.his values but the could you think it is not going to get support, you
:17:27. > :17:32.are... It is complicated in that we agree with the politics as a
:17:33. > :17:35.whole... Then you shouldn't be like they are not getting enough support,
:17:36. > :17:41.let's support someone who might be stronger? Meanwhile, during a sunny
:17:42. > :17:45.Sheffield lunch hour, the left-wing campaign group Memorandum are making
:17:46. > :17:50.the case for Jeremy Corbyn. I followed it online, on Facebook. He
:17:51. > :17:56.said... He said some good stuff can he wants to hear everybody's posts,
:17:57. > :18:01.anyway. He stands up for the working class, so that's what I like about
:18:02. > :18:09.him. I might register. You have got until tomorrow at 5pm. And its ?25?
:18:10. > :18:13.It is, but it's worth having a say, isn't it? The Labour Party is being
:18:14. > :18:20.destroyed, and he is part of that distraction. He really is. How can
:18:21. > :18:23.he hold power with all the time he is sat on the backbenches and never
:18:24. > :18:29.voted with the Labour Party, practically? He has always voted. He
:18:30. > :18:35.has been safer on the left wing, you have to have the consensus. It is on
:18:36. > :18:40.his conscience. Based on either his conscience or the consensus of his
:18:41. > :18:44.constituents. With Labour's divide running so deep, there was talk of
:18:45. > :18:49.the split becoming permanent. The supporters, you have lost them in
:18:50. > :18:53.Scotland. I do understand that. Perhaps we should not be having this
:18:54. > :18:57.conversation about saving Labour, perhaps we should have a new Labour.
:18:58. > :19:05.I don't think that could work, in the long-term, totally. I don't
:19:06. > :19:11.think there is a strong candidate. Trident is a point of difference. Is
:19:12. > :19:17.that so important you that you would rather lose an election for that? I
:19:18. > :19:22.am not convinced Owen Smith can win an election. I mean, Jeremy Corbyn
:19:23. > :19:28.definitely can't. That is where we will have two agree to disagree. A
:19:29. > :19:31.poll out today suggested Jeremy Corbyn would definitely win the
:19:32. > :19:38.race, although if trusts the Poles these days? We can only win if we
:19:39. > :19:44.are in government -- who trusts the polls these days. He does have the
:19:45. > :19:48.right values. But he is not the right person to get it into
:19:49. > :19:52.government. The polling would suggest otherwise. Then you should
:19:53. > :19:58.change the Poles, make people vote for him. I'm going to vote for
:19:59. > :20:02.Jonah? Yes, because I like him, let him breathe. Let him breathe a
:20:03. > :20:11.little bit and get his thoughts together. Where was he when we have
:20:12. > :20:14.the referendum? Did you know that Jeremy Corbyn gave the highest
:20:15. > :20:22.number of speeches out of any member of the Labour speeches during the EU
:20:23. > :20:26.referendum? It would be wrong to write off the anti-Corbyn faction.
:20:27. > :20:32.Unless people like you sign up it won't work. OK, look, I'll sign up.
:20:33. > :20:35.Especially with a long-term -- summer campaigning ahead to
:20:36. > :20:38.influence party members, but the Corbyn campaign does inspire a
:20:39. > :20:43.passion that is harder for moderates to match. Anyone who was not a party
:20:44. > :20:45.member has an 5pm tomorrow to be able to register to cast a vote for
:20:46. > :20:47.either side. I'm joined by Stephen Kinnock MP,
:20:48. > :20:50.who is supporting Owen Smith. And by James Schneider
:20:51. > :21:01.from the pro-Jeremy Evening to you both. James, if Owen
:21:02. > :21:07.Smith wins the leadership, will you go out and that the Labour? You will
:21:08. > :21:10.accept the result? Absolutely, everyone should accept the result,
:21:11. > :21:15.we have a democratic election and whoever wins get behind who
:21:16. > :21:19.supported and move forward as a party, absolutely. I have to ask you
:21:20. > :21:23.the same question that Jeremy Corbyn, Steve? I will be continued
:21:24. > :21:27.to be honoured to serve my constituents from the backbenches. I
:21:28. > :21:30.have voted in favour of vote of no-confidence in Germany, that means
:21:31. > :21:36.I could not possibly serve on the front bench, though I would likely
:21:37. > :21:39.be invited to do so. Nick Watt, our political editor, said earlier that
:21:40. > :21:44.the plan might be for a war of attrition against Jeremy Corbyn if
:21:45. > :21:47.he wins, as seems likely. An attempt to get Shadow Cabinet elections,
:21:48. > :21:50.which would show him with a Shadow Cabinet he doesn't really want.
:21:51. > :21:54.Would you serve in the Shadow Cabinet if there were elected Shadow
:21:55. > :21:58.Cabinet members? I think it is a real struggle to serve somebody
:21:59. > :22:02.where you have actually voted that you have no confidence in their
:22:03. > :22:05.leadership. But I don't want as they collate about that. I want to say is
:22:06. > :22:11.that we now have Owen Smith as a very talented politician coming
:22:12. > :22:15.forward with the courage to stand up and save the Labour Party. And I'm
:22:16. > :22:19.absolutely convinced that over the coming months we will see the
:22:20. > :22:23.opinion of the membership swinging behind Owen, precisely because if we
:22:24. > :22:27.don't have a new leader we cannot form a credible opposition. If you
:22:28. > :22:30.can't form a front bench you don't function as a credible opposition.
:22:31. > :22:34.This is about saving our democracy as much about saving the Labour
:22:35. > :22:36.Party poster the war of attrition, some people have their head in their
:22:37. > :22:57.hands in despair at the idea that to be resolved, and we just
:22:58. > :22:59.face, essentially, a continual battle within the opposition, rather
:23:00. > :23:02.than a battle between the opposition and the government. Yes, I find the
:23:03. > :23:04.idea of a war of attrition extremely disappointing. What we need to see
:23:05. > :23:06.at the end of the leadership election is as many MPs as possible
:23:07. > :23:09.working behind the leader, whichever one is elected, and also working
:23:10. > :23:12.with the party members who stop we are now the largest left of centre
:23:13. > :23:14.party in Europe. It will increase I think after membership opens again.
:23:15. > :23:17.40,000 a or something. See if the registered supporters want to join.
:23:18. > :23:22.Momentum have been making lots of phone calls, lots of interest. When
:23:23. > :23:26.it do is make an asset out of our membership from that may have. But
:23:27. > :23:29.you will oppose as vigorously as you can MPs voting for the Shadow
:23:30. > :23:34.Cabinet, I assume, because that would just showed of the leader with
:23:35. > :23:37.a Shadow Cabinet who disagree with improbably on everything. That is
:23:38. > :23:40.something that would have to go through party conferences, not
:23:41. > :23:44.something I have thought about. Can I ask you about Owen Smith? You
:23:45. > :23:50.think he will win. In his background, I know the times are
:23:51. > :23:53.reporting on this tomorrow, he was a lobbyist, he served for Pfizer, the
:23:54. > :23:58.American pharmaceutical country. Will that be held against him? No,
:23:59. > :24:03.because what Owen represents is a new chapter, a fresh start for the
:24:04. > :24:10.party. He entered Parliament in 2010, he is not brown eyed, Labour
:24:11. > :24:13.light -- Blairite, he did his lunch from his constituency. That is where
:24:14. > :24:18.he has lived his politics and learned his politics. He has Labour
:24:19. > :24:21.values and he has had the coach -- the courage and determination to
:24:22. > :24:24.stand in what is a difficult time for our party and I'm convinced the
:24:25. > :24:28.membership will get behind him because he has the values and
:24:29. > :24:33.determination we need to win. You know his position on the private
:24:34. > :24:38.health care in the NHS is what? What is his position on that now? Owen
:24:39. > :24:43.has come out and said very clearly that we need things like a new deal
:24:44. > :24:47.for Britain, ?200 billion to invest in our working class in stop private
:24:48. > :24:56.health care in the NHS, do you know what his view is? Owen is a
:24:57. > :25:00.Bevan-ite, he supports the NHS free at the point of delivery. He will
:25:01. > :25:09.stand behind that. We will potentially get back to that. Can I
:25:10. > :25:17.ask you...? . Jeremy Corbyn's position is on that? We have known
:25:18. > :25:20.that quite some time! The party will declare UDI, they will then get the
:25:21. > :25:23.money that the state gets the opposition, they become the
:25:24. > :25:27.opposition in parliament, they get the money that the opposition get in
:25:28. > :25:30.Parliament. That would leave you or your side, your residual Labour
:25:31. > :25:35.Party, you could have all the people on the streets, but it leaves your
:25:36. > :25:38.residual Labour Party in some trouble, doesn't it? I don't think
:25:39. > :25:42.that is a very helpful hypothetical, we have a leadership election that
:25:43. > :25:45.will be about policies and ideas, then afterwards we need to have
:25:46. > :25:49.members who seem to overwhelmingly support Corbyn and the MPs need to
:25:50. > :25:53.talk and many to understand what one another's positions are. I think
:25:54. > :25:56.there has been too little so far of the MPs understanding the direction
:25:57. > :26:00.that the members want to take on how they wish to transform the party. We
:26:01. > :26:05.have to remember it is not like Labour is in difficulty now. We have
:26:06. > :26:07.had two bad general election defeat. There is a crisis for social
:26:08. > :26:13.democracy across the Western Road and we need to have a new model
:26:14. > :26:16.party fit for the 20th century -- 21st century, and we need to hear a
:26:17. > :26:20.lock knife that getting through to MPs. As that message does get
:26:21. > :26:27.through and MPs do respect the democratic manga -- mandate that
:26:28. > :26:31.hopefully Jeremy Corbyn will win again we hopefully would have these
:26:32. > :26:35.discussions again. Can you tell me, Stephen Kinnock, you have not been
:26:36. > :26:39.in any conversations about such a scenario, are plotting a proper
:26:40. > :26:44.trajectory would be if it was necessary? Absolutely, and I can
:26:45. > :26:47.tell you I joined the Labour Party in 1985. You have not had any
:26:48. > :26:51.conversations about the party splitting? No, there was only one
:26:52. > :26:56.Labour Party, it is the party I believe it is the one I joined. It
:26:57. > :27:01.believes in gaining power for working people through a
:27:02. > :27:05.Parliamentary democracy. We knows you can't do that when you have a
:27:06. > :27:08.leader who has lost the confidence of the Parliamentary Labour Party.
:27:09. > :27:13.If you have that leader, what happens? Those of us who have given
:27:14. > :27:16.a motion of no-confidence will be honoured to serve from the
:27:17. > :27:21.backbenches, and it will be up to the leader to see how he forms a
:27:22. > :27:25.credible opposition. I see it a very difficult challenge him to face, but
:27:26. > :27:29.what I also knows that we now Owen Smith in place, the party unites
:27:30. > :27:31.behind him and we will win this. It will be an interesting summer. Thank
:27:32. > :27:34.you both very much. When we voted for Brexit four weeks
:27:35. > :27:37.ago, was Britain taking a stand not just against the EU,
:27:38. > :27:39.but against globalisation We have had one of the more
:27:40. > :27:42.internationalised economies in Europe; we rely more than most
:27:43. > :27:45.on foreign investment, We're a big player in international
:27:46. > :27:49.diplomacy and law. Many Brexit supporters said Britain
:27:50. > :27:52.would be more outward if we left the EU, looking beyond
:27:53. > :27:56.Europe to the world. Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson
:27:57. > :27:58.reiterated that goal I want us to reshape
:27:59. > :28:05.Britain's profile as an even greater global nation,
:28:06. > :28:16.a Britain that is more active, more outward-facing,
:28:17. > :28:18.more energetic on the world stage Of course,
:28:19. > :28:26.some voters want less globalisation And the Foreign Secretary's
:28:27. > :28:31.sentiment there makes the proposed Japanese takeover of ARM Holdings
:28:32. > :28:32.a particularly One of Britain's champion tech
:28:33. > :28:39.companies. There is a live debate
:28:40. > :28:41.as to whether this kind Some welcome it as proof that
:28:42. > :28:45.Britain is still there, integrating But if we choose to obstruct it,
:28:46. > :28:49.what does it say about Well, I'm joined by Mike Lynch,
:28:50. > :28:53.an entrepreneur and the co-founder Autonomy was sold to Hewlett-Packard
:28:54. > :29:05.for $11 billion dollars in 2011. A very good evening to you. Why did
:29:06. > :29:09.you feel you needed to sell Autonomy, and didn't keep running it
:29:10. > :29:12.as an autonomous British company? One of the great myths about a
:29:13. > :29:16.British company is that under the rules of the UK stuck each change,
:29:17. > :29:19.the board can't stop it. Unlike in America where have poison and
:29:20. > :29:24.things, if someone comes along and offers you a nice premium above the
:29:25. > :29:29.normal amount, 50%, either the company gets hold of you are no
:29:30. > :29:33.longer in charge! It is a complete myth that there was a choice, there
:29:34. > :29:38.was no choice when the premium gets so high. When Autonomy was sold, and
:29:39. > :29:41.it was painful, they paid a lot more than most people think the company
:29:42. > :29:45.was probably worth. Is it good for Britain to sell something before it
:29:46. > :29:49.is at a price that is, you know, a good price come because we get the
:29:50. > :29:54.money? Or is it bad the Bit On The Side things, even at a good price?
:29:55. > :29:58.Actually in technology, these mark-ups are normal, so we don't
:29:59. > :30:04.have that many technology companies in the UK, so we're used to seeing
:30:05. > :30:08.20%, 30%, and actually 50% is a normal price in technology. These
:30:09. > :30:10.are normal pricings. But ARM did incredibly well, going from a
:30:11. > :30:21.start-up up to ?24 billion sale. If you are asking what happens to
:30:22. > :30:23.the British input to this company, the staff, the brainpower, the
:30:24. > :30:29.institutional history, that company you sold, Autonomy, where is
:30:30. > :30:33.everyone who was involved in Autonomy? Are the unemployed, do
:30:34. > :30:40.they have jobs, has science been harmed? One aspect of technology is
:30:41. > :30:44.the people. They went, they went to HP, they left HP and now there are a
:30:45. > :30:48.large number of companies that they have gone and started. I was
:30:49. > :30:55.counting up the ones that I know of, and they are worth over ?1 billion
:30:56. > :31:01.already. It didn't do us any harm? I don't think so, but I am optimistic
:31:02. > :31:04.about the ARM deal, because the Japanese entrepreneur is a
:31:05. > :31:09.visionary. ARM is a visionary company and I think this one will
:31:10. > :31:13.work. Even if it doesn't, I think you would have a load of wonderfully
:31:14. > :31:17.talented people in the UK starting new businesses. The problem is not
:31:18. > :31:22.with the giants that gets sold at amazing prices, it is when our
:31:23. > :31:29.wonderfully clever companies get sold at 100 million. When ARM leave
:31:30. > :31:33.the stock exchange, there is nothing to replace it. That is the problem.
:31:34. > :31:37.You would not stop the ARM sale at this point. If the Japanese want to
:31:38. > :31:43.buy it, you would not get in the way. If investors know that it won't
:31:44. > :31:50.be sold to someone, that trickles all the way down. Your worries about
:31:51. > :31:55.smaller companies, and what is it about them that stops them growing
:31:56. > :31:59.into ARM? The London stock exchange does not function well for tech
:32:00. > :32:03.businesses. They get to ?100 billion, someone makes an offer, and
:32:04. > :32:08.the people who have invested and done the work think, I cannot list
:32:09. > :32:14.it in London. We have the biggest stock exchange in Europe, why not?
:32:15. > :32:19.If you were a hard-working FTSE 100 fund manager, you need to know about
:32:20. > :32:23.retail, or oil and so on, and there is one software company, so you
:32:24. > :32:29.don't know much about it. So there is a critical mass. Yellow might
:32:30. > :32:37.guess, if we can get a few of the companies to list, the virtual
:32:38. > :32:37.circle kicks in and hopefully we will have billion-dollar tech
:32:38. > :32:44.businesses listed in London. One thing you'll hear a lot
:32:45. > :32:47.between now and November is that the female vote
:32:48. > :32:49.is very important. Apart from women being half
:32:50. > :32:52.the population, obviously. It's firstly that women's turnout
:32:53. > :32:55.exceeds men's in the States. Have a look at this graph -
:32:56. > :32:57.it shows every presidential election since 1980,
:32:58. > :32:59.the female turnout in purple higher But there's also this:
:33:00. > :33:05.since Bill Clinton won in 1992, women have always preferred
:33:06. > :33:11.the Democratic nominee at every But currying favour with women
:33:12. > :33:16.is tricky for Mr Trump. According to the latest Pew research
:33:17. > :33:19.poll, in a head to head between Hillary Clinton
:33:20. > :33:23.and Donald Trump, women would go Katty Kay has been
:33:24. > :33:33.finding out for us. You call women you don't
:33:34. > :33:36.like fat pigs, dogs, Donald Trump's rhetoric
:33:37. > :33:50.towards women has become a flash point in a presidential election
:33:51. > :33:56.that will pit a man against a woman. It's said to be the most
:33:57. > :33:59.gender-driven election in US history, with Hillary Clinton
:34:00. > :34:02.the first ever female nominee The only card she has
:34:03. > :34:06.is the woman's card. If talking about these issues
:34:07. > :34:11.is playing the woman's The biggest reason the two
:34:12. > :34:18.candidates are carefully courting women in this campaign is that women
:34:19. > :34:21.will control who wins More women vote in America than men,
:34:22. > :34:26.and research shows they have decided Donald Trump is currently polling
:34:27. > :34:37.worse with women than any presidential candidate since 1972,
:34:38. > :34:39.but many women inside the Republican One high-profile supporter
:34:40. > :34:49.on Capitol Hill is Congresswoman When he stood up there in the debate
:34:50. > :34:54.and made a not very subtle reference to the size of his penis,
:34:55. > :34:57.I watched that and, as a mother of four children,
:34:58. > :35:00.I thought, I don't think I want my young daughter
:35:01. > :35:03.watching this on television. And those are the things
:35:04. > :35:05.you look at and say, Whether it was working in a male
:35:06. > :35:13.dominated profession or here in Washington,
:35:14. > :35:20.you have people that say inappropriate things,
:35:21. > :35:23.and I think most women are like me. You have heard enough of it
:35:24. > :35:25.through the years that And you don't embrace it,
:35:26. > :35:32.but you push it aside. The women Trump really needs to win
:35:33. > :35:36.over live in the suburbs of swing This is where this election
:35:37. > :35:43.will be decided. It's hard to believe that this
:35:44. > :35:46.sleepy neighbourhood is the front line in the battle for the White
:35:47. > :35:50.House. But if you are a college educated,
:35:51. > :35:53.white, single woman living in a suburb of Philadelphia
:35:54. > :35:56.like this, you are the hottest At a social event for
:35:57. > :36:06.the nonpartisan League of Women Voters in Philadelphia,
:36:07. > :36:12.we met Laura, Suzanne and Kelly. What are the things that matter to
:36:13. > :36:15.you from a presidential candidate? I think it is important to discuss
:36:16. > :36:17.the economy, to discuss It is really important
:36:18. > :36:21.to discuss education. I am looking to make sure that
:36:22. > :36:24.everyone has access to health care, to quality education,
:36:25. > :36:27.that income inequality, if we don't What you think about the tone
:36:28. > :36:35.of this election campaign? It is the language that we haven't
:36:36. > :36:38.heard really overtly in decades, and it is as if people have been
:36:39. > :36:41.given permission now, because of the level of vitriol
:36:42. > :36:45.in the discourse, to say those things out loud,
:36:46. > :36:51.and it's very troubling. Millions of women did vote
:36:52. > :36:54.for Trump in the primaries. She will be a Pennsylvania
:36:55. > :37:00.delegate for Trump at Lynn owns a gardening business
:37:01. > :37:04.and likes Trump's views on trade. I think he will do the best job
:37:05. > :37:10.to keep us safe, and to try And he definitely knows how
:37:11. > :37:15.to run a business. Beyond the economy, the attacks
:37:16. > :37:30.in Orlando shook America We are going to go to Philadelphia,
:37:31. > :37:34.and we're going to win in November. Lynn is clearly not moved
:37:35. > :37:37.by the historic nature of Hillary Clinton's candidacy,
:37:38. > :37:39.but for many American women, the possibility of putting a woman
:37:40. > :37:43.in the White House after 44 male Is it important for you that she is
:37:44. > :37:47.a woman and would be Of course it is, you can't not see
:37:48. > :37:51.that, it is so important. The campaign has thrown up
:37:52. > :37:53.an interesting phenomenon - a generation gap among female
:37:54. > :37:58.voters. Older women seem to support Clinton
:37:59. > :38:00.because they urgently want Younger women tend to feel confident
:38:01. > :38:05.that they are going to get a female president at some point
:38:06. > :38:07.in their lifetime, they are just not sure they want it
:38:08. > :38:09.to be Hillary Clinton. Amy Klobuchar, a Democratic senator
:38:10. > :38:14.from Minnesota does think that Hillary Clinton will successfully
:38:15. > :38:18.reach younger voters. You have a new generation that
:38:19. > :38:24.did not see her in those roles, and many of them were hardly voting
:38:25. > :38:27.when she was Secretary of State, so you have that issue,
:38:28. > :38:30.and she needs to reintroduce herself in a non-primary setting
:38:31. > :38:37.when it is her versus Trump. Loudoun County in Northern Virginia
:38:38. > :38:40.is a key swing district and a reliable bellwether
:38:41. > :38:47.for the state. Women here are a must-win
:38:48. > :38:50.for Clinton and for Trump. So you are going to
:38:51. > :39:00.lunge, fly and back up. This woman runs a gym
:39:01. > :39:06.and is a classic swing voter - economically Conservative
:39:07. > :39:08.but socially liberal. She has voted both Republican
:39:09. > :39:10.and Democrat in the past and is struggling with
:39:11. > :39:13.who to vote for this year. We need to regulate the economics
:39:14. > :39:17.in this country more. That is probably my
:39:18. > :39:20.draw to Donald Trump. He is a businessman,
:39:21. > :39:22.he has the economic background and he has made a successful
:39:23. > :39:25.business of it. For foreign policy background,
:39:26. > :39:27.I am drawn to Hillary Clinton. I trust someone who has sat
:39:28. > :39:30.at the table and held I am torn between being
:39:31. > :39:43.a businesswoman and being a woman. Of course, no one knows precisely
:39:44. > :39:46.how many women will vote or which candidate they will vote
:39:47. > :39:50.for, if we did, we could say already What we do know is that women
:39:51. > :39:58.will decide who lives in the White House after Barack Obama,
:39:59. > :40:01.whether it is America's 45th male The British people have spoken, and
:40:02. > :40:11.the answer is... I love this country, and I feel
:40:12. > :40:24.honoured to have served it. A political landscape
:40:25. > :40:26.changed for ever. I know that virtually none
:40:27. > :40:28.of you have ever done The Scottish Parliament
:40:29. > :40:40.should have the right Exactly one month after
:40:41. > :40:46.the UK's momentous vote... Brexit means Brexit,
:40:47. > :40:48.and we're going to ..Newsnight hosts a special day
:40:49. > :40:56.of discussion and debate on Brexit Britain, a divided nation,
:40:57. > :40:59.and its relationship with the rest Tickets for this event,
:41:00. > :41:04.run in partnership with Intelligence Squared,
:41:05. > :41:06.are available via the Newsnight website.
:41:07. > :41:23.and we will be live on BBC Two We're going to make sure it rains on
:41:24. > :41:24.Saturday, so you might as well buy tickets and come along.
:41:25. > :41:28.We leave you with a memo to Downing Street -
:41:29. > :41:31.this is possibly not the best time for playing practical jokes
:41:32. > :41:56.It is a one night ahead, but a thundery one for Northern Ireland.
:41:57. > :42:00.The thundery rain will move up across Scotland on Wednesday.
:42:01. > :42:04.Elsewhere, hefty shout was breaking out, but good spells of sunshine,
:42:05. > :42:08.and the winds are coming from the West, cooling things down. 17
:42:09. > :42:09.Celsius in Belfast, with