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:00:00. > :00:00.As Labour descends into full-scale civil war, one general insists he's

:00:00. > :00:15.Do I read widely? Yes.

:00:16. > :00:17.Do I think about things a great deal?

:00:18. > :00:19.Do I enjoy it? Absolutely.

:00:20. > :00:25.At the launch of his official campaign, Jeremy Corbyn sits

:00:26. > :00:31.Tonight on Newsnight, I'm in Cleveland, Ohio with Ben Carson,

:00:32. > :00:37.What does he make of Ted Cruz here in the hall last night?

:00:38. > :00:42.And what does he think Donald Trump has to do to unify the party now?

:00:43. > :00:46.Parliament is breaking up for the summer so, as always,

:00:47. > :00:49.the Government has dumped hundreds of pages of documents on us.

:00:50. > :01:03.Buried within them, a nasty shock for the NHS in England.

:01:04. > :01:06.Ten months and nine days in post, and Jeremy Corbyn is facing

:01:07. > :01:10.the first challenge to his leadership of the Labour Party.

:01:11. > :01:13.Having endured an avalanche of high and low profile resignations

:01:14. > :01:17.and a vote of no confidence by over 70% of his fellow MPs,

:01:18. > :01:20.the signs are that Mr Corbyn continues to enjoy unprecedented

:01:21. > :01:23.levels of support among the party membership.

:01:24. > :01:27.Today, he set about the tricky business of trying to unite

:01:28. > :01:31.the party and see off the threat of his challenger Owen Smith,

:01:32. > :01:34.while also setting out his vision for a Corbyn premiership.

:01:35. > :01:37.In a moment, Evan interviews the Labour leader.

:01:38. > :01:40.But first, did today's launch herald the breaking of a brave

:01:41. > :01:46.new dawn or was it all a bit business as usual?

:01:47. > :01:49.The Britain that Jeremy Corbyn was born into was a very different

:01:50. > :02:00.Against a backdrop of epic conflict, Corbyn describes the injustices

:02:01. > :02:02.of a post-war society, namely the five giant evils

:02:03. > :02:05.identified by William Beveridge, the godfather of the welfare state,

:02:06. > :02:09.as want, squalor, idleness - yes, idleness - disease and ignorance.

:02:10. > :02:16.By the time Corbyn had grown up, he says he was championing the cause

:02:17. > :02:19.of wage inequality, today making special reference to the Ford sewing

:02:20. > :02:24.machinists strikes in Dagenham in 1968 and 1984.

:02:25. > :02:27.But today he says the injustices blighting the country are different

:02:28. > :02:40.and he has distilled them down into five new evils.

:02:41. > :02:43.One problem is that it's not entirely clear how Mr Corbyn plans

:02:44. > :02:54.In his speech today, for example, he talks

:02:55. > :02:56.In his speech today, for example, he talks of companies publishing

:02:57. > :03:00.but, otherwise, there was little policy flesh on the principal bone.

:03:01. > :03:05.He also had a message for MPs in his party about unity.

:03:06. > :03:08.It's the job, it's the duty, is the responsibility of every

:03:09. > :03:12.Labour MP to get behind the party at that point.

:03:13. > :03:17.The problem is, it seems it is more do as I say, than do what I do.

:03:18. > :03:20.Newsnight has delved into the archives and found this.

:03:21. > :03:24.It's Corbyn, then not even an MP, reacting to Tony Benn's failed bid

:03:25. > :03:27.to become deputy leader back in 1981.

:03:28. > :03:29.Corbyn blamed some left-leaning Labour MPs who abstained

:03:30. > :03:38.But above all I think we should also be considering the actions

:03:39. > :03:50.and attitudes of a number of left Labour MPs in Parliament.

:03:51. > :03:55.Because I believe, quite bluntly, that those MPs who sought to abstain

:03:56. > :04:04.in the second ballot, in reality, voted for Healey.

:04:05. > :04:08.And I think they must expect some discomfort from the rank-and-file

:04:09. > :04:15.in their own constituencies in the coming months.

:04:16. > :04:20.That was then, this is now. As he said today, times have changed.

:04:21. > :04:23.Well, as luck would have it, Evan caught up with Mr Corbyn

:04:24. > :04:26.after his campaign launch this morning

:04:27. > :04:32.On the morning after the referendum, you went on TV and you basically

:04:33. > :04:34.said we need to invoke Article 50 now.

:04:35. > :04:42.I may not have put that as well as I should have done.

:04:43. > :04:45.My view was, and is, is that at some point Article 50

:04:46. > :04:55.It had been a long night and you expressed it badly.

:04:56. > :04:58.The view I was putting was that Article 50 will be

:04:59. > :05:03.I did not mean it should be invoked on Friday morning and we should

:05:04. > :05:05.rush over to Brussels and start negotiating.

:05:06. > :05:07.Because, clearly, the negotiations are going to be very long

:05:08. > :05:12.Because 40-odd years of EU membership means that almost every

:05:13. > :05:16.piece of legislation brings in EU regulation, somewhere.

:05:17. > :05:19.I think that's a very important clarification.

:05:20. > :05:23.Another one that will be important is, are you open to the idea

:05:24. > :05:25.of a second referendum, when we have got somewhere down the line,

:05:26. > :05:29.had a chance to think about it more or are you basically a Brexit

:05:30. > :05:34.I think we have to respect the result of the referendum.

:05:35. > :05:40.Respect the result, which was, unfortunately, a vote to leave.

:05:41. > :05:42.The bottom line has got to be access to European markets

:05:43. > :05:46.for industries that are based in Britain,

:05:47. > :05:49.clearly massive effect on, for example, Sunderland, on this.

:05:50. > :05:53.It also has to be protection of the workers' rights that have

:05:54. > :05:54.been improved through EU regulation, from, often,

:05:55. > :06:04.Also, a very big raft of regulations on consumer protection

:06:05. > :06:07.and environmental protection, all those issues.

:06:08. > :06:09.You have given an interesting statement of your objectives,

:06:10. > :06:15.But you missed one out, something like 80% of working class

:06:16. > :06:20.people have a view on, which is immigration.

:06:21. > :06:22.Many see this negotiation as a choice between more access

:06:23. > :06:30.Now, where are you on the immigration debate?

:06:31. > :06:33.I have made the point, all along, that the single market does include,

:06:34. > :06:40.If you go away from that, you are not even a single market.

:06:41. > :06:42.Do you want to be in the single market?

:06:43. > :06:48.The point I was making throughout the referendum campaign is that

:06:49. > :06:50.workers directive would prevent the undercutting in Britain,

:06:51. > :06:53.would prevent that grotesque level of exploitation.

:06:54. > :06:56.That, in turn, will have a reduction effect.

:06:57. > :06:59.Basically, do you want to negotiate, if you were Prime Minister,

:07:00. > :07:02.there was an election tomorrow, would you negotiate with the EU some

:07:03. > :07:09.control on the uncontrolled free movement that exists at the moment?

:07:10. > :07:14.I would want to see a movement of labour, which recognises

:07:15. > :07:18.the need to have similarity of conditions across Europe.

:07:19. > :07:21.If we say we will start restricting, it works both ways.

:07:22. > :07:25.It will also restrict British people going to live and work in Europe.

:07:26. > :07:29.I think that will be impossible within a single market.

:07:30. > :07:34.But also, I urge people to think for a moment about...

:07:35. > :07:36.I talked about the British workers in Europe that European

:07:37. > :07:39.workers in Britain that run our health service.

:07:40. > :07:50.I take it that you are someone who would say you want quite a bit

:07:51. > :07:53.of access and there are other ways of dealing with it.

:07:54. > :07:55.Let's look at the other ways of dealing with it.

:07:56. > :08:01.Can we deal with some of the criticisms your colleagues

:08:02. > :08:06.They say it is not policy, it is about, well, competence

:08:07. > :08:12.Thangam Debbonaire, one of your MPs, now, she wrote an account of how,

:08:13. > :08:18.in January, she was receiving cancer treatment, she was appointed

:08:19. > :08:33.And then she said she was sacked the next day without being told.

:08:34. > :08:35.So, having someone else tell her she was a Shadow Minister,

:08:36. > :08:38.not in the Cabinet, she was working on it and then discovered

:08:39. > :08:41.I just wonder whether that story, as she described it,

:08:42. > :08:51.I was aware that she was receiving very serious cancer treatment.

:08:52. > :08:56.I didn't want to disturb her treatment.

:08:57. > :08:59.Unfortunately, my wish to appoint her as one of our arts

:09:00. > :09:02.spokespersons was informed to her when it shouldn't have been.

:09:03. > :09:04.I wanted to leave it until the treatment was over.

:09:05. > :09:13.It was a question that she would start the job later on.

:09:14. > :09:16.When she returned, after her treatment, I had a very long

:09:17. > :09:20.conversation with her and of course I apologised to her for that.

:09:21. > :09:22.Owen Smith, would you serve under Owen Smith?

:09:23. > :09:27.Would you respect his leadership if he won?

:09:28. > :09:30.Owen Smith has offered me a unopposed election to a job

:09:31. > :09:40.Would you not be president if he won?

:09:41. > :09:47.I'm not even sure we should have a president of the party.

:09:48. > :09:51.It sounds to me bit like director of football.

:09:52. > :09:55.It's a very strange thing to offer because he offered that after he had

:09:56. > :10:00.decided to resign from the Shadow Cabinet early on,

:10:01. > :10:02.having told me he was happy to serve in the Shadow Cabinet

:10:03. > :10:08.He has every opportunity to do that, every right, if you want to.

:10:09. > :10:11.The creation of a position of president of the party would

:10:12. > :10:12.actually require a rule change, a constitutional change.

:10:13. > :10:15.It's not in his gift to offer an unopposed election to anything.

:10:16. > :10:18.Unless he has some control over the whole electorate that

:10:19. > :10:30.I don't go around calling people Blairites, actually.

:10:31. > :10:37.Tony Blair stopped being PM in 2007, it's quite a long time ago.

:10:38. > :10:40.If you are a rebel in your party, here's a question...

:10:41. > :10:43.People who are against your leadership.

:10:44. > :10:47.If you are somebody who has a different view of what we need

:10:48. > :10:50.to do to respond to the problems we are talking about,

:10:51. > :10:53.Should you be listening to the members of your local party?

:10:54. > :10:55.Or should you be thinking through these issues yourself

:10:56. > :10:57.and making decisions based on your conscience?

:10:58. > :11:02.I don't want to tell people how to vote.

:11:03. > :11:04.It is legitimate for them to take a different view

:11:05. > :11:07.and oppose you and say, this is a debate we are having

:11:08. > :11:09.and we will use every constitutional means.

:11:10. > :11:11.It is pretty obvious this is happening, that is why

:11:12. > :11:20.I think some of you critics say they want to have that debate.

:11:21. > :11:22.They want to talk about that that you are otherworldly.

:11:23. > :11:25.In the last six weeks, the most important six weeks anyone

:11:26. > :11:27.for us can remember in British political history in our lifetime,

:11:28. > :11:29.you have been to two Cuba Solidarity meeting.

:11:30. > :11:33.I was there for 20 minutes, and then I went back to my office

:11:34. > :11:37.I thought it was only respectful because a lot of us had pushed

:11:38. > :11:39.the British government to support their release and,

:11:40. > :11:41.in turn, that actually helped to bring about the rapprochement

:11:42. > :11:45.Well, I was thinking of the RMT Cuba Solidarity Garden Party,

:11:46. > :11:47.actually, where you are pictured next to the Cuban ambassador.

:11:48. > :11:50.Did you think to say to her, you must tell Castro,

:11:51. > :11:53.the Castro brothers, that they have been in power for 57

:11:54. > :11:56.years now and they haven't thought it necessary to hold an election

:11:57. > :11:59.to validate their power over the Cuban people?

:12:00. > :12:02.I focused on lots of issues, particularly to do with human rights

:12:03. > :12:05.in every country all over the world, and I continue to do so.

:12:06. > :12:10.Every country in the world, and that obviously includes them.

:12:11. > :12:11.The backbenchers that are against you think

:12:12. > :12:13.there is this slightly otherworldliness.

:12:14. > :12:18.That you have to choose between the people of Burnley,

:12:19. > :12:20.who are not worried about Cubans, the situation with US policy

:12:21. > :12:23.to Cuba, and the North London intellectuals who maybe do

:12:24. > :12:28.I just wonder where you feel your heart lies?

:12:29. > :12:30.There are people in Burnley concerned about human

:12:31. > :12:33.rights around the world, just as there are in north London.

:12:34. > :12:39.They might be different physical locations, but people often think

:12:40. > :12:40.the same and do communicate with each other.

:12:41. > :12:43.If you win, Tom Watson, the deputy leader, has said it

:12:44. > :12:53.may be difficult to get a Shadow Cabinet together.

:12:54. > :12:57.Can you just tell us how it is going to work when 80%

:12:58. > :13:00.of your MPs don't have confidence in you, and you are there?

:13:01. > :13:04.Listen, if we win this election, and I hope we do, it will be

:13:05. > :13:07.an expression of a lot of people of the general economic direction

:13:08. > :13:11.It is now the biggest membership it has ever been.

:13:12. > :13:15.More people have registered to vote in this election than the entire

:13:16. > :13:17.membership of the Tory party in 48 hours.

:13:18. > :13:21.That says something about atmosphere in the whole country.

:13:22. > :13:24.I will appoint a Shadow Cabinet which will be as broad as I can.

:13:25. > :13:29.I will reach out to those people, as I have done before.

:13:30. > :13:32.You will accept back the rebels if they want to come back in?

:13:33. > :13:34.Well, listen, let's have charity towards people.

:13:35. > :13:41.Do you ever not just feel like putting the duvet

:13:42. > :13:46.You must have thought, should I resign?

:13:47. > :13:48.You sounded like a psychiatrist

:13:49. > :13:58.Do I think about things a great deal?

:13:59. > :14:06.You could be the leader of the Labour Party who oversees

:14:07. > :14:12.How about I could be the leader of the Labour Party that

:14:13. > :14:16.turns us into a force to change economic justice,

:14:17. > :14:18.opportunities and hope in our society?

:14:19. > :14:28.Earlier this evening, some startling news from the authorities in France.

:14:29. > :14:31.It turns out that the Nice truck attacker Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel

:14:32. > :14:34.was not, as first thought, a lone wolf.

:14:35. > :14:36.Instead, prosecutors said today, he's believed to have had support

:14:37. > :14:39.from five accomplices, all of whom are now in custody.

:14:40. > :14:41.One apparently returned to the scene the following day

:14:42. > :14:51.And after the attack, we were told today,

:14:52. > :14:54.was a year in the planning, a year in which it never came

:14:55. > :14:56.to the attention of the French security services.

:14:57. > :14:58.Peter Neumann, Director of the International Centre

:14:59. > :15:00.for the Study of Radicalisation in London, joins me

:15:01. > :15:15.It, it's beginning to look like an intelligence failure as well as a

:15:16. > :15:18.terrorist atrocity. It is. It is very unusual that there can be a

:15:19. > :15:25.group of five or six people planning something like this over a period of

:15:26. > :15:28.a year without anybody noticing. Either they were extremely good at

:15:29. > :15:36.hiding what they were doing or someone was not paying attention. If

:15:37. > :15:39.none of them, as we were -- as we believe were on any watchlist or

:15:40. > :15:45.flagged for any interest, in what circumstances could they have been

:15:46. > :15:47.overheard or spotted? It is interesting that at the very

:15:48. > :15:51.beginning, neighbours were saying they had never noticed anything.

:15:52. > :15:57.That may have been true. But it is very unusual. I don't know of too

:15:58. > :16:01.many cases where six people would have plotted without stepping up.

:16:02. > :16:06.Without talking to anyone -- slipping up. Without having been

:16:07. > :16:09.seen for a period of over a year. Typically these people come to the

:16:10. > :16:14.attention of some people in the security services at some point. The

:16:15. > :16:17.explanation I have is that the French authorities are so

:16:18. > :16:21.overwhelmed right now by the number of cases is that quite a number of

:16:22. > :16:30.them are slipping through this is, of course, extremely. Indeed. We

:16:31. > :16:37.know the so-called Islamic State has described Bouhlel as one of their

:16:38. > :16:41.soldiers. Their links going back to Syria and Iraq could Lee Selby

:16:42. > :16:45.entirely self-contained? -- do you think their links go back. This is

:16:46. > :16:49.the question. -- could the cell. Five or six people operating

:16:50. > :16:53.together does not necessarily mean that they were part of the command

:16:54. > :16:58.and control is drudge of the Islamic State. We know Islamic State is

:16:59. > :17:03.Senden people into Europe that are Europeans and that are carrying out

:17:04. > :17:08.attacks on orders of the Islamic State. At the same time it is trying

:17:09. > :17:12.to inspire exactly those kinds of people acting on their own accord.

:17:13. > :17:18.It will be very important to find out. The fact that there was no

:17:19. > :17:20.video footage in the video that the Islamic State used to claim the

:17:21. > :17:25.attack, the fact that it took them some time to actually make up their

:17:26. > :17:29.minds seems to indicate that their may not have been a direct link. How

:17:30. > :17:36.portable is the lone wolf the Cesc generally? Not in this case -- how

:17:37. > :17:40.plausible is the lone wolf theory will stop there are lone wolves. The

:17:41. > :17:45.most famous one is Anders Breivik, the Oslo attacker from 2011 who was

:17:46. > :17:53.really on his own, he had no contact with others. He was hiding. Really,

:17:54. > :17:58.no one noticed anything. But in many cases, people often assume there are

:17:59. > :18:02.lone wall is because there is no complete information. More

:18:03. > :18:06.information comes out. -- lone wolves. The more information comes

:18:07. > :18:13.out and it becomes obvious there were links sometimes into, and

:18:14. > :18:16.control structure. Often we say lone wolf and as more information emerges

:18:17. > :18:21.it becomes clear that was not the case. Briefly, we have even less

:18:22. > :18:27.information about the attempted abduction near the RAF base in

:18:28. > :18:31.Marham, Norfolk, yesterday. This is clearly a major cause for concern,

:18:32. > :18:36.how plausible doesn't seem to you, as Norfolk police suggest, it is

:18:37. > :18:39.unable to discuss terrorism? It is not impossible to discount it. Of

:18:40. > :18:44.course, security authorities across Europe been warning as with school

:18:45. > :18:51.shootings, with lone wolf attacks there is a ripple contagion effect.

:18:52. > :18:55.People see things like Nice or Orlando shootings or what happened

:18:56. > :18:59.in Germany on TV and feel inspired to do the same thing. In fact, that

:19:00. > :19:02.is exactly what Islamic State once. It is impossible to discount it

:19:03. > :19:07.because this may exactly be what happens. Peter, thank you.

:19:08. > :19:09.Plagiarised spousal speeches, endorsements that didn't actually

:19:10. > :19:11.endorse and a Republican Party Convention that's currently breaking

:19:12. > :19:15.just about every political convention in the book.

:19:16. > :19:18.There is, it's fair to say, little sign that Donald Trump

:19:19. > :19:21.will be letting down the headline writers any time soon.

:19:22. > :19:24.Emily Maitlis is at the Convention in Cleveland, where Trump is due

:19:25. > :19:32.to make his acceptance speech later tonight.

:19:33. > :19:39.Thanks. The last day of convention is traditionally the long-awaited

:19:40. > :19:43.finale, the climax where you get to see the bride, except this bride has

:19:44. > :19:46.been in his wedding dress pretty much all week. We have heard from

:19:47. > :19:50.Donald Trump every single day so far. Last night there were

:19:51. > :19:56.spectacular scenes on the floor behind me. Boos From the delegates

:19:57. > :20:00.when Ted Cruz, his rival, failed to endorse Donald Trump as his

:20:01. > :20:04.president. What was that about? It is hard to escape a sense of perhaps

:20:05. > :20:10.puppetry. That this whole thing might be a bit stage-managed by the

:20:11. > :20:14.Trump campaign. We will be talking to Ben Carson, a former presidential

:20:15. > :20:18.candidate, about that in a second. First, to the drama of the night and

:20:19. > :20:21.why it matters to Trump and his electoral chances.

:20:22. > :20:24.Please welcome United States Senator Ted Cruz of Texas.

:20:25. > :20:29.An electric atmosphere from an auditorium bursting at the seams.

:20:30. > :20:31.They're waiting to see if the Texas senator, long-time rival

:20:32. > :20:38.of Donald Trump, chooses this critical moment to endorse him.

:20:39. > :20:44.As he nears the end, the hall suddenly realises

:20:45. > :20:49.God bless each and every one of you and God bless

:20:50. > :21:01.He should have endorsed Donald Trump!

:21:02. > :21:05.This is all about endorsing the President and electing Donald Trump.

:21:06. > :21:09.He made it very clear that he is not interested in Donald Trump winning.

:21:10. > :21:12.He wants Hillary to win, so that he can run in 2020.

:21:13. > :21:15.What we just saw on the convention floor was ridiculous.

:21:16. > :21:18.Absolutely ridiculous, and I cannot endorse it.

:21:19. > :21:22.We just booed somebody who cordially spoke.

:21:23. > :21:24.And where was Donald Trump whilst all this was going on?

:21:25. > :21:29.Well, he chose that moment to enter the hall.

:21:30. > :21:32.Ted Cruz's failure to endorse Donald Trump a few moments ago led

:21:33. > :21:35.to boos from the hall and, indeed, accusations of betrayal.

:21:36. > :21:39.But it's also spawned a certain level of conspiracy theory.

:21:40. > :21:41.How did Ted Cruz get that speech through Donald Trump's

:21:42. > :21:44.campaign when it appeared on the teleprompter?

:21:45. > :21:48.Could it be that Trump knew exactly what Ted Cruz was going to say,

:21:49. > :21:52.or what he was not going to say, and allowed it to create even more

:21:53. > :21:56.And today, Trump's team confirmed they were given the

:21:57. > :22:02.If the party seemed fractured before convention, imagine how

:22:03. > :22:07.Virtually the only thing they can still agree on is how

:22:08. > :22:10.much they hate Hillary, as celebrated here in convention

:22:11. > :22:15.To understand why the endorsement - what they are calling

:22:16. > :22:17.the Lone Star Snub - matters, you have to leave

:22:18. > :22:22.urban Cleveland and head south, to farmland.

:22:23. > :22:25.This is Cruz country, the traditional religious

:22:26. > :22:29.Republican heartland - no fans of Trump.

:22:30. > :22:32.It's not as if Ohio's cowboys aren't used to irascible

:22:33. > :22:35.and unpredictable beasts, like the bulls they try and ride

:22:36. > :22:42.They concede Trump stands for big bucks.

:22:43. > :22:45.It's just not the big bucks they're used to.

:22:46. > :22:48.For most of these guys, there is an internal thing that's

:22:49. > :22:53.They're strong, they're tough, they're hero, they work hard

:22:54. > :22:57.and they hold to their values and their families.

:22:58. > :23:02.Things that matter to them, that society is losing track of.

:23:03. > :23:05.This is conservative America, not natural Trump territory.

:23:06. > :23:08.He is, of course, a metrosexual New Yorker.

:23:09. > :23:20.It's a little bit of, like, picking the lesser of two

:23:21. > :23:24.And so who do we feel like will allow us to hang

:23:25. > :23:26.onto these livelihoods, and the freedoms that we've had,

:23:27. > :23:29.whether it's being able to pray at a rodeo, pray in school,

:23:30. > :23:34.The Thorsall family run this event from their ranch.

:23:35. > :23:36.Our hearts, really, are God, family, country.

:23:37. > :23:43.And does Donald Trump say to you God, family, country?

:23:44. > :23:49.He said, let's make America great again.

:23:50. > :23:52.Not to pick a fight or anything but when you look at Donald Trump,

:23:53. > :23:56.he doesn't strike you as particularly religious.

:23:57. > :24:00.Does he fit into your image of what the priorities

:24:01. > :24:08.But you have to look at, overall, what does that person

:24:09. > :24:18.He might not be the perfect what you think a President ought to be.

:24:19. > :24:21.But, for us, he stands for more of our values than any of the

:24:22. > :24:29.Trump has harnessed white working class support

:24:30. > :24:33.But if traditional, rural Republicans choose to stay home,

:24:34. > :24:40.He is hoping his VP choice, evangelical Christian Mike Pence,

:24:41. > :24:43.who talks the language of God, country and party, is the man

:24:44. > :24:53.He spoke at length last night, but after what they're calling

:24:54. > :25:06.Boos Cruz, no one can quite remember a word he said.

:25:07. > :25:11.Ted Cruz explained his actions, saying he did not want to be a

:25:12. > :25:15.servile poppy after insulting his wife and father. Many people

:25:16. > :25:19.sympathise will stop sticking to their guns. But there are many who

:25:20. > :25:21.don't. Ben Carson was one of those presidential candidates and I spoke

:25:22. > :25:25.to him just before we came on air. Ben Carson, sir, was Ted Cruz

:25:26. > :25:27.right not to endorse I think it was a splendid

:25:28. > :25:32.opportunity for him to demonstrate leadership, bring unity

:25:33. > :25:33.and set himself up, He said he didn't want to be

:25:34. > :25:38.the puppy dog that came running after Donald Trump,

:25:39. > :25:40.who'd abused and name I understand from a perspective

:25:41. > :25:48.of somebody who is more concerned about their own feelings

:25:49. > :25:51.than they are about the big picture. But this election is more

:25:52. > :25:53.about much more than someone's There are many others, you know,

:25:54. > :25:57.in the Trump movement Many of the traditional members

:25:58. > :26:04.of the Republican Party. They need to understand

:26:05. > :26:06.that we are talking about whether this is going to become

:26:07. > :26:09.a country that is up for and by the government versus up

:26:10. > :26:13.for and by the people. Were you one of those

:26:14. > :26:15.with bruised feelings? Were you approached

:26:16. > :26:18.by Mr Trump to be his VP? I was not bruised in any way,

:26:19. > :26:23.shape or form. The only reason that I ever got

:26:24. > :26:26.into the political arena at all, I had no intention of all,

:26:27. > :26:29.was because there were so many Clearly, Donald Trump had seen

:26:30. > :26:36.the speech from Ted Cruz three days previously and allowed it to go

:26:37. > :26:39.ahead, do you think it was all part If it was, it was a brilliant move,

:26:40. > :26:44.because it certainly had the desired effect of separating Ted Cruz

:26:45. > :26:51.from Ted Cruz supporters. What do you think Donald Trump

:26:52. > :26:54.should say to the party? I would like him, first of all,

:26:55. > :27:01.to help people understand that we're not talking about four

:27:02. > :27:07.years or eight years. In terms of the influence

:27:08. > :27:10.of the next president. We are talking about generations,

:27:11. > :27:13.because of the two-four Supreme Court picks and multiple

:27:14. > :27:15.federal appointments, as well. People have to look

:27:16. > :27:19.beyond their bruised feelings. Also, I hope he will get people

:27:20. > :27:27.to understand that there are no two Yeah, but there is no two people

:27:28. > :27:31.in the Republican Party The party has never

:27:32. > :27:34.been this divided. But what they need to learn how

:27:35. > :27:39.to do is put those things That is one of the things I have

:27:40. > :27:44.to admire the Democrats about. They have a lot of

:27:45. > :27:45.disagreements, too. But they understand if they don't

:27:46. > :27:48.work together as a block, They also tell the Republicans,

:27:49. > :27:56."You guys are admirable, because you are people of principle

:27:57. > :27:59.and you won't vote for somebody unless you completely

:28:00. > :28:03.agree with them". And then they go home

:28:04. > :28:06.and laugh because they say, Was it Mr Trump's problem?

:28:07. > :28:11.Mr Cruz's problem? The party has been this way

:28:12. > :28:19.because we have an outsider, somebody who cannot

:28:20. > :28:22.be bought and sold. Somebody who cannot be controlled

:28:23. > :28:24.by the traditional There's going to be an adjustment

:28:25. > :28:31.period to it, but I think once that adjustment has occurred,

:28:32. > :28:38.it will be like a reset. Because this country was really

:28:39. > :28:41.about the will of the people. It wasn't about the will

:28:42. > :28:43.of a political class. As you know, there are people around

:28:44. > :28:46.the world who say there is no more terrifying prospect

:28:47. > :28:48.than a Trump presidency Simply because they've been

:28:49. > :29:09.listening to the propaganda. Ben Carson, describing to me the

:29:10. > :29:15.sense of what an outsider does to the race, and if it needs a bit of

:29:16. > :29:19.bedding in time. Molly is from The Atlantic. Thanks for joining us. You

:29:20. > :29:24.have had an advance sight of the speech, you can't say too much, but

:29:25. > :29:28.you can give us a flavour? The themes we would expect Donald Trump

:29:29. > :29:31.to hit are in there. He is trying to present a unifying general election

:29:32. > :29:36.message and hitting the themes that have defined him from the beginning,

:29:37. > :29:41.chaos, disorder, crime, safety, whether the threats are internal,

:29:42. > :29:44.from chaos in America's inner cities, to external threats,

:29:45. > :29:50.particularly immigration but also foreign threats, the threat of Isis.

:29:51. > :29:53.It's very much about making America safe and also trying to bring

:29:54. > :29:56.America together, accusing the President and Hillary Clinton of

:29:57. > :30:01.dividing Americans against each other and positioning himself as the

:30:02. > :30:04.one that can reconcile. Hillary has been so present in this convention,

:30:05. > :30:09.I don't think I've been anywhere where somebody that was painted as

:30:10. > :30:17.the external enemy was actually in every single speech, 20 or 30 times?

:30:18. > :30:26.Shear the only thing that they agree on. As we have seen in the primary

:30:27. > :30:30.sessions, even in the convention, even with Ted Cruz, the spectre of

:30:31. > :30:36.disunity. It is understandable when they agree on so little, that

:30:37. > :30:41.Republican speakers would seek to rally the faithful by what they are

:30:42. > :30:46.against. The Ted Cruz situation, is it damaging to Donald Trump? I think

:30:47. > :30:52.it is. I think Ted Cruz reminded a lot of conservatives and Republicans

:30:53. > :30:56.why they have doubts about Trump. It was poorly received in the hall, it

:30:57. > :31:00.may not have been good for Ted Cruz, a lot of people saw it as part of

:31:01. > :31:04.his very politically calculating persona. It would be better for

:31:05. > :31:10.Trump to seemed to be the consensus choice of the entire party. There is

:31:11. > :31:14.no way he can claim to be that after the speech that Ted Cruz gave. What

:31:15. > :31:19.is your sense of how the convention has gone, how well it has served

:31:20. > :31:23.Trump and his campaign? It has been an astonishingly bad convention for

:31:24. > :31:27.Donald Trump. Normally they are a free infomercial to the American

:31:28. > :31:30.people, you get all this prime-time television real estate to make the

:31:31. > :31:35.positive case for your party your candidacy. Instead of that being the

:31:36. > :31:41.message, there has been one mess up after another from convention

:31:42. > :31:45.logistics, the potential First Lady speech, Ted Cruz's speech last night

:31:46. > :31:50.and many other small, small things, where the message that the campaign

:31:51. > :31:55.would like to be putting forward to the American people has really got

:31:56. > :31:59.and stepped on. If people wanted to be reassured about to Donald Trump,

:32:00. > :32:04.that he was a normal, credible candidate, a unifying candidate,

:32:05. > :32:08.that is not what they saw in these last few days. That is the essence

:32:09. > :32:13.of Trump, anyone else, you would expect to unify and bring the party

:32:14. > :32:16.together, try to leave this on a positive note. Donald Trump has done

:32:17. > :32:20.everything differently over the last 18 months. He has shown you can

:32:21. > :32:25.break all the rules and still win. Can he go into this presidential

:32:26. > :32:28.campaign with a divided party and still win? It's not impossible.

:32:29. > :32:31.A Russian spy dressed as a sewerage worker,

:32:32. > :32:32.infiltrating supposedly secure scientific laboratories

:32:33. > :32:40.A fake mouse hole drilled through a wall to facilitate

:32:41. > :32:45.the swapping of said samples with untainted, um, liquids.

:32:46. > :32:48.Just two of the revelations thrown up by the World Anti-Doping Agency's

:32:49. > :32:53.recent report into a massive state-sponsored doping programme.

:32:54. > :32:56.Earlier this evening I spoke to Sir Craig Reedie,

:32:57. > :32:59.chief executive of the agency - known as Wada - about how it

:33:00. > :33:04.But I began by asking him about today's Court of Arbitration

:33:05. > :33:07.for Sport decision to uphold the ban on Russian track and field athletes

:33:08. > :33:10.from next month's Olympics in Rio and whether it was now likely

:33:11. > :33:18.that there would be no Russian involvement whatsoever in the Games.

:33:19. > :33:21.I'm afraid that's the one question I can't give

:33:22. > :33:27.Because the International Olympic Committee is the major event

:33:28. > :33:30.organiser, which under the world anti-doping code, has

:33:31. > :33:33.the responsibility to take these decisions.

:33:34. > :33:36.My information is that we will be discussing that, if not deciding

:33:37. > :33:45.How, in particular, if an organisation like the world

:33:46. > :33:48.anti-doping agency even exists can you have such an astonishing scale

:33:49. > :34:00.If you go back to the first really public allegations,

:34:01. > :34:04.which came from the German television programme in December

:34:05. > :34:08.2014, that exposed a really surprising degree of breaches

:34:09. > :34:10.of regulation in Russia and specifically track

:34:11. > :34:22.What has shocked most people and certainly surprised us

:34:23. > :34:28.is that the investigation conducted by Richard McLaren indicates

:34:29. > :34:33.an alliance between the Ministry of sport in the country and Moscow

:34:34. > :34:37.laboratory to an extent that there is complete

:34:38. > :34:44.It certainly shocked us and I don't think there's much doubt that it

:34:45. > :34:57.I understand why everybody else would be shocked,

:34:58. > :34:59.I'm still a little unclear on how the World Anti-doping

:35:00. > :35:01.Agency could have been taken by such surprise.

:35:02. > :35:04.There was a very complex and very well organised organisation,

:35:05. > :35:08.to deal with Russian athletes, in particular.

:35:09. > :35:12.So that clean urine could be substituted for dirty urine.

:35:13. > :35:15.This could be done in the middle of the night, at the laboratory.

:35:16. > :35:18.To the best of my knowledge, we've had no experience of this

:35:19. > :35:21.happening at an accredited laboratory before.

:35:22. > :35:28.Of course, except people might worry that to the best of your experience,

:35:29. > :35:31.it could have been going on for ages all over the place.

:35:32. > :35:33.It's only now that you've spotted this one.

:35:34. > :35:38.I concede that is a possibility but we have no evidence of that

:35:39. > :35:47.The other significant issue here which has worried

:35:48. > :35:50.us substantially since the allegations appeared

:35:51. > :35:52.was the ability to open the otherwise secure bottles

:35:53. > :36:00.That is a very sophisticated operation, clearly organised

:36:01. > :36:02.and conducted, we are told, by the FSB, the Russian

:36:03. > :36:10.We have no information that any country in the world has had

:36:11. > :36:17.Final question, Russia is supposed to be hosting the World Cup

:36:18. > :36:24.I appreciate it is not your immediate field of expertise

:36:25. > :36:27.but just as a personal overview, is that acceptable?

:36:28. > :36:37.We are talking about state-sponsored doping.

:36:38. > :36:41.The state that sponsored doping is supposed to host the World Cup.

:36:42. > :36:43.You run the world anti-doping agency, I want to know

:36:44. > :36:46.whether you think that state is a fit and proper place

:36:47. > :36:51.If the World Cup was starting tomorrow, I think there would be

:36:52. > :37:01.The state having been absolutely involved in what has been happening

:37:02. > :37:04.over the last four years must be well aware of the difficulties

:37:05. > :37:08.I think Fifa would want to know and would want to see

:37:09. > :37:17.Work has been done but it is slower than it need be.

:37:18. > :37:20.I hope it accelerates and Russia can reform.

:37:21. > :37:21.Sir Craig Reedie, many thanks.

:37:22. > :37:28.Parliament broke up for the Summer today, but not before

:37:29. > :37:31.the Government had availed itself of the opportunity to slip out some

:37:32. > :37:34.news that they might have been hoping would go unnoticed.

:37:35. > :37:41.Well, they didn't reckon upon our policy editor Chris Cook's

:37:42. > :37:51.The single biggest thing that has come out, so big that you could see

:37:52. > :37:55.it from space, enormous problems in the NHS. We have news of NHS

:37:56. > :38:00.accounts which showed huge holes. The National office of bean counters

:38:01. > :38:04.have said they are very worried about future finances. We have this

:38:05. > :38:10.extraordinary document called Strengthening Performance And

:38:11. > :38:16.Accountability In 2016. It is astounding. The first thing is that

:38:17. > :38:20.this document proposes a degree of command and control from the centre

:38:21. > :38:23.of NHS hospitals other like we have not seen for a very long time.

:38:24. > :38:28.Things like the amount that hospitals are on staff, they propose

:38:29. > :38:33.to control. Hospitals that do not do as they say, they will take cash of

:38:34. > :38:38.them. The second thing is that coming health service terms, there

:38:39. > :38:42.is a holy Trinity. You can change the finances of the NHS, you can

:38:43. > :38:45.change the College of services, you can change how long people have to

:38:46. > :38:49.wait to get services. If you move any one of those things, something

:38:50. > :38:53.else has to move, you have to put more money in, make people wait

:38:54. > :38:55.longer or whatever else. They are absolutely prioritising getting

:38:56. > :39:03.finances back in order. They don't really mind about waiting lists.

:39:04. > :39:06.Quality ranks number two. The final extraordinary thing about the

:39:07. > :39:09.document, it is amazingly optimistic. Hospitals that are

:39:10. > :39:13.really struggling on finances, where all of the indicators are going in

:39:14. > :39:16.the wrong direction, they are going to turn around in the next few

:39:17. > :39:19.months. I would bet, based on this, we will see a reasonable sized

:39:20. > :39:24.bailout for the NHS in the Autumn Statement. I don't see how they can

:39:25. > :39:26.make it work otherwise. Many thanks indeed.

:39:27. > :39:32.The British people have spoken and the answer is - we're out.

:39:33. > :39:39.I love this country and I feel honoured to have served it.

:39:40. > :39:43.A political landscape, changed forever.

:39:44. > :39:46.I know that virtually none of you have ever done

:39:47. > :39:57.The Scottish Parliament should have the right

:39:58. > :40:04.Exactly one month after the UK's momentous vote...

:40:05. > :40:10.Brexit means Brexit and we are going to make a success of it.

:40:11. > :40:12.Newsnight hosts a special day of discussion and debate

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:40:33. > :40:35.Now, Michele Obama is a woman of many talents.

:40:36. > :40:38.Yet another of those talents was on display yesterday,

:40:39. > :40:41.as she joined British comedian James Corden in his late night

:40:42. > :40:45.Carpool Karaoke skit on American television.

:40:46. > :40:48.We leave you tonight with this sumptuous rendition

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:40:54. > :40:55.And Philip May, if you're watching this, our driver

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:41:09. > :41:11.# Now I'm wondering if your love's still strong

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:41:22. > :41:25.# Then that time I went and said goodbye

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:41:59. > :42:01.It has freshened up in the last day or so, particularly across

:42:02. > :42:03.south-eastern