25/07/2016

Download Subtitles

Transcript

:00:00. > :00:00.Owen Smith wants to save the Labour Party from Jeremy Corbyn.

:00:07. > :00:11.Does he now have any chance of succeeding?

:00:12. > :00:13.As one of the women who resigned her place

:00:14. > :00:17.in the Shadow Cabinet unresigns, what can the challenger do

:00:18. > :00:23.Emily travels to the Democrat convention in Philidelphia,

:00:24. > :00:26.sounding out the anger of the American rust belt

:00:27. > :00:38.I dislike Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is... He's a joke. My mum and

:00:39. > :00:41.my grandma tell me about back when the town was a nice place to hang

:00:42. > :00:44.around and be at, when all the businesses were here and the steel

:00:45. > :00:50.mill was up and people were thriving.

:00:51. > :00:57.At the convention itself, Bernie sanders' supporters aren't happy.

:00:58. > :01:01.We've got to elect Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine. BOO

:01:02. > :01:08.Newsnight has learnt that Government guarantees,

:01:09. > :01:10.supposed to underwrite London's latest project, are in

:01:11. > :01:21.A month ago, by his own admission, you probably hadn't heard

:01:22. > :01:25.Indeed, he was barely a household name in his own household.

:01:26. > :01:28.Tonight, he lays out the credentials and the policies he believes

:01:29. > :01:31.will see him successfully challenge Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership

:01:32. > :01:38.Before that, though, Newsnight's political editor,

:01:39. > :01:41.Nick Watt, joins me to discuss the scale of that challenge

:01:42. > :01:45.and the wider travails of the Labour Party.

:01:46. > :01:48.And the challenge just got a bit bigger, Nick.

:01:49. > :01:51.The verb "to unresign" might not be in the dictionary,

:01:52. > :02:03.It is indeed. We think of you as an erudite person. The curious

:02:04. > :02:06.spectacle of Sarah Champion resigning and unresigning. She wrote

:02:07. > :02:11.to Jeremy Corbyn saying she would like her job back, thank you very

:02:12. > :02:15.much. A pointed response from Jeremy Corbyn, a source in his office told

:02:16. > :02:18.the BBC that this was like the miners strike, when the first miners

:02:19. > :02:23.went back to work and we'll see where it goes from there. As I

:02:24. > :02:26.understand it, that is signalling that when Parliament comes back in

:02:27. > :02:31.September, you may well see a few more of not these ex-Shadow Cabinet,

:02:32. > :02:34.but middle and lower ranking former Shadow ministers saying they want to

:02:35. > :02:38.come back. The coup was a failure. They were sold a pup and now it's

:02:39. > :02:44.time to knuckle down otherwise the SNP will end up as the main

:02:45. > :02:49.Opposition at Westminster. What does the broader picture mean for both

:02:50. > :02:52.contowarders, for Mr Smith and Jeremy Corbyn. He's had a difficult

:02:53. > :02:55.few days. It's got to be good news for him, because somebody who

:02:56. > :02:59.thought he was no good says it's right to be back in his team.

:03:00. > :03:02.Eyebrows are being raised Al-Attiyah comparison with the miners strike.

:03:03. > :03:05.That's a provocative thing to say, some people are saying. For Owen

:03:06. > :03:09.Smith, at one level it's not very good. He's the beneficiary this

:03:10. > :03:13.afternoon coup, and Sarah Champion is now saying, perhaps I should be

:03:14. > :03:17.back on board working for the person that Owen Smith wants to replace.

:03:18. > :03:22.But I think Owen Smith can distance himself from this. This decision was

:03:23. > :03:27.made ten days ago. It was held back to allow Sarah Champion to lead a

:03:28. > :03:31.backbench debate about online child abuse and crucially, Sarah Champion

:03:32. > :03:35.was among a number of Shadow ministers whose offices were

:03:36. > :03:39.carrying on supporting their Shadow teams, the sort of work we don't see

:03:40. > :03:43.behind-the-scenes. Nick, thank you. We'll see more of you later.

:03:44. > :03:46.So we'll hear from Owen in just a moment, but before then,

:03:47. > :03:56.a little reminder about his journey to the leadership contest.

:03:57. > :04:01.I won't be entering a contest against Jeremy Corbyn or anybody

:04:02. > :04:06.else. So proud to be addressing you,

:04:07. > :04:10.launching my bid to be the next leader of the Labour Party, and more

:04:11. > :04:14.importantly than, that the next Labour Prime Minister of this

:04:15. > :04:17.country. I would serve you with great humility and respect, you'd be

:04:18. > :04:22.a good leader of this party. I think I could also be a good leader of

:04:23. > :04:27.this party. I'm with drawing from this race and supporting Owen. He

:04:28. > :04:32.dialled 999 to get a quote from the police. Instead of the police

:04:33. > :04:36.themselves or the press office. And they then complained about you, what

:04:37. > :04:42.does it say about your judgment? We all do daft things when we're young.

:04:43. > :04:45.The country has to say, we can imagine these people running this

:04:46. > :04:50.country and do so better than the Conservatives. Tags the task I'm

:04:51. > :04:55.setting myself and everybody in Labour and I expect us to achieve

:04:56. > :05:01.it. Owen Smith joins me now. Let's begin with today's local difficulty.

:05:02. > :05:06.This was your ace in the hole, the desertion of ministers from Jeremy

:05:07. > :05:10.Corbyn and the vote of no confidence from the Parliamentary Labour Party.

:05:11. > :05:15.Sarah Champion's actions suggest a crack in the facade. Sarah's a

:05:16. > :05:19.friend Ayrad great MP. To be honest, we've gone beyond MPs now. The MPs

:05:20. > :05:23.are rather irrelevant other than Jeremy and myself in standing to

:05:24. > :05:27.contest the leadership. It's the members who count now. Sarah's vote

:05:28. > :05:31.is one amongst 500,000 members of the Labour Party. She'll get to cast

:05:32. > :05:34.that vote. She has to decide whether she's going to vote for me or Jeremy

:05:35. > :05:38.or whether she serves in the couple of weeks when Parliament comes back

:05:39. > :05:43.is neither here nor there. That's not quite right, is it? It must have

:05:44. > :05:48.been a huge part of your decision to stand that the Parliamentary Labour

:05:49. > :05:52.Party was pretty much voting, over 70%, no confidence in the leader and

:05:53. > :05:55.these ministers, both Cabinet level and junior, were deserting in their

:05:56. > :06:00.droves. This is, even if unresign isn't a word, this is the opposite

:06:01. > :06:05.of desertion, one of the foundations of your leadership bid is shaking.

:06:06. > :06:09.Well, no I don't think it is. The truth is that the reason I stood was

:06:10. > :06:15.in order to try and unite the Labour Party. We had a massive crisis of

:06:16. > :06:19.confidence in the Parliamentary Labour Party in Jeremy. The job of

:06:20. > :06:21.the leader of the Labour Party is to lead a united Opposition at

:06:22. > :06:32.Westminster or to lead a Government at Westminster. He couldn't do that.

:06:33. > :06:35.Most of those MPs now have nominated me, overwhelmly, to challenge

:06:36. > :06:38.Jeremy. Sarah deciding to go back in is a minor part of this story. Why

:06:39. > :06:45.do you think she's done it? I think a lot of people will feel that they

:06:46. > :06:49.want to fight the Tories. A lot of people will legitimately feel as I

:06:50. > :06:52.do, that we've given them too easy a ride. Perhaps she feels she can do

:06:53. > :06:56.that better on the frontbench. You're on holiday for the next few

:06:57. > :07:01.weeks. That's the point I was going to make. In reality, there are only

:07:02. > :07:05.two weeks in September and the ballots will have long since gone

:07:06. > :07:11.out by then. We're right in the last knockings of the leadership contest.

:07:12. > :07:15.In reality, Sarah going back in isn't really much of a story either

:07:16. > :07:20.way. When does it become a story? If other people follow? If 150 members

:07:21. > :07:26.of the Labour Party decide they all want to rediscover... I'm thinking

:07:27. > :07:29.more three or four, of a similar level, junior ministers,

:07:30. > :07:31.unresignations? I suspect that too won't make any difference

:07:32. > :07:36.whatsoever. We are still in this position where there is a crisis.

:07:37. > :07:40.And the Labour Party is disunited. One or two MPs decided to go back.

:07:41. > :07:43.Doesn't really change those basic facts. I think it's now for me and

:07:44. > :07:46.Jeremy to lay out our stall to explain what it is we think we

:07:47. > :07:50.should be doing in Opposition, what we might do in Government. I'm glad

:07:51. > :07:55.you said that, that is after all what we're here for. Before we lay

:07:56. > :07:59.out that stall. I wonder if Sarah Champion has responded to the siren

:08:00. > :08:03.call of John McDonnell on television, did you see that strange

:08:04. > :08:07.interlude when he spoke down the camera. You saw that, what do you

:08:08. > :08:12.think he was dog? I think he was trying to say, as I've been saying,

:08:13. > :08:16.that we need to - Hang on a minute, let's remind people who perhaps

:08:17. > :08:20.missed it, exactly what happened on the Andrew Marr Show on Sunday. Let

:08:21. > :08:23.me just say this, to Labour Party supporters, Labour members, members

:08:24. > :08:27.of the Parliamentary Labour Party, we've got to stop this now. There's

:08:28. > :08:31.a small group out there that are willing to destroy our party just to

:08:32. > :08:37.remove Jeremy Corbyn. We've got to stop them. We're on camera six,

:08:38. > :08:40.Owen. I don't know if you want to direct your response to that

:08:41. > :08:44.straight down the barrel of the camera lens as well, but tell us,

:08:45. > :08:49.either to the camera or to me, what you think Mr McDonnell was doing

:08:50. > :08:54.this? I'll tell you seeing I think it would look slightly peculiar, as

:08:55. > :08:58.it did with John to speak down the lens - John can say that if he

:08:59. > :09:02.wants. I went in on that Monday after lots of colleagues had

:09:03. > :09:05.resigned, I went in with five colleagues in order to say, we're

:09:06. > :09:09.not intending to resign, but we want to hear Jeremy, what you're going to

:09:10. > :09:13.do to save the Labour Party. How are you going to compromise in order to

:09:14. > :09:17.bring us together? John McDonnell pushed into that meeting, not having

:09:18. > :09:20.been invited. I put it to John directly that I feared he was part

:09:21. > :09:25.of the small group of people on the far left of the Labour Party who

:09:26. > :09:30.were prepared to see the party split in order to protect his project. His

:09:31. > :09:34.answer to that was to shrug his shoulders and say, "If that's what

:09:35. > :09:38.it takes." That is why I left. That is why I resigned from the

:09:39. > :09:43.frontbench. Ultimately, that's why I'm standing. I do think there is a

:09:44. > :09:48.very real danger that the party will split if Jeremy doesn't move over,

:09:49. > :09:51.that the party will be destroyed. The Tories and other forces on the

:09:52. > :09:55.right of British politics will fill the gap that Labour leaves. That

:09:56. > :09:59.will be a disaster, because we have been the greatest force for social

:10:00. > :10:04.good for 116 years in this country. It would be a tragedy if we were

:10:05. > :10:08.wiped out. Parties can be wiped out. It takes a long time for parties to

:10:09. > :10:14.rise, but they can be snuffed out just like that. That is what I fear

:10:15. > :10:19.could happen to Labour. Let's look, then, at your stall, your manifesto,

:10:20. > :10:23.if you will, particularly looking for clear blue water between you and

:10:24. > :10:27.Jeremy Corbyn. If we started with defence. Would you, as a Prime

:10:28. > :10:31.Minister, be spending more or less than the current GDP percentage on

:10:32. > :10:34.the defence budget? We should be spending 2%. We should be renewing

:10:35. > :10:39.Trident. Security of the British people has always got to be the

:10:40. > :10:42.first order of business for any Government, Labour or Tory. We've

:10:43. > :10:46.got to be serious about that. One of the weakness that's we've had

:10:47. > :10:50.recently is that people worry that Labour isn't serious about security,

:10:51. > :10:55.that it's a lesser issue for Jeremy, as it were. I'm not sure that is

:10:56. > :10:58.right, but he's got a different perspective on some of those things,

:10:59. > :11:02.on patriotism, if you like, on security and defence, I think I've

:11:03. > :11:07.got a more traditional Labour perspective on that, an old

:11:08. > :11:10.fashioned Labour perspective, that's a big difference between us. What do

:11:11. > :11:14.you mean by a different position on patriotism? I don't think Jeremy

:11:15. > :11:19.really understand, sometimes, the way in which people have a strong,

:11:20. > :11:23.perhaps socially conservative, with a small C, sense of place, sense of

:11:24. > :11:28.where they're from. I'm not sure I've heard him talking much about

:11:29. > :11:32.Scotland, an identity, Wales and identity or indeed England and

:11:33. > :11:35.identity. I suspect Jeremy has a more pet row poll tan sense of that.

:11:36. > :11:40.That's not what I think is central to the Labour tradition. Are you

:11:41. > :11:44.calling him unpatriotic? I'm saying I don't think it's core to his set

:11:45. > :11:49.of beliefs. I think he's got a set of liberal per specktives and left

:11:50. > :11:52.per specktives on things and nationhood and nationalism and

:11:53. > :11:57.patriotism aren't really part of his make up. Staying with Trident, you

:11:58. > :12:03.mention old Labour values, I think Tony Benn said, in reference to the

:12:04. > :12:07.nuclear deterrent, that we had the best protected homeless people in

:12:08. > :12:10.the world. It's the membership of the party who support Jeremy Corbyn,

:12:11. > :12:14.they're sceptical about Trident. Aren't you supposed to win them

:12:15. > :12:18.over? Yeah, but I've got to be honest about what I feel. I'm

:12:19. > :12:22.someone who used to believe that getting rid of all our nuclear

:12:23. > :12:26.weapons unilaterally was right. Now I feel the world has become an even

:12:27. > :12:29.more unpredictable, volatile place. You said a moment ago, before we

:12:30. > :12:33.went on air, it's the first time you've been presenting for a while

:12:34. > :12:39.now without some awful news being broadcast. It does feel, to lots of

:12:40. > :12:41.us, that every day there is a new, extraordinary piece of news around

:12:42. > :12:46.the world. That doesn't feel like, to me, a moment when we should be

:12:47. > :12:52.divesting... When did you change your mind? In my mid-20s, when I was

:12:53. > :12:57.a teenager, I was a member of CND and believed in unilateralism. In my

:12:58. > :13:03.mid-20s, I started to see there was a real case for hanging on to our

:13:04. > :13:07.weapons and Labour's traditional position of multilateral disarmament

:13:08. > :13:14.using ours as a bargaining chip to get other countries to get rid of

:13:15. > :13:17.theirs too. Treeza May was asked whether she was prepared to hit the

:13:18. > :13:21.nuclear button, would you be prepared to press the button? I've

:13:22. > :13:25.been asked that question a couple of times and I've said yes. If you've

:13:26. > :13:28.got a nuclear deterrent, you have to be prepared to use it. It's a

:13:29. > :13:32.terrible, terrible necessity. Obviously, one would hope that you'd

:13:33. > :13:35.never get anywhere near that and truthfully, I don't think we ever

:13:36. > :13:38.would get anywhere near it. The point is you have to be prepared to

:13:39. > :13:44.do it in order for it to be effective. Let's move on to health.

:13:45. > :13:47.This is obviously an area in which you've worked. There's been some

:13:48. > :13:52.controversy recently. In the context of health, is there room for more,

:13:53. > :13:55.you've called it choice in the past or private sector involvement in the

:13:56. > :13:59.NHS as it currently stands? Truthfully, no. My view - Changed

:14:00. > :14:04.your mind about this as well then? No. There was one press release that

:14:05. > :14:10.was written by the company that I worked for back in 2005, about a

:14:11. > :14:16.report that kaz commissioned not by me but my predecessor. That's been

:14:17. > :14:21.spun into a suggestion that I'm in favour of privatisation in the NHS.

:14:22. > :14:26.The truth is I'm incredibly proud of the NHS, Labour's greatest creation.

:14:27. > :14:30.100%, publicly owned, free at the point of view NHS should be our

:14:31. > :14:35.position. More than that, we opened the door to the Tories taking our

:14:36. > :14:42.language, that language of choice that was the Labour Party's language

:14:43. > :14:47.in the mid-2000s and using it as a Trojan horse for what they want to

:14:48. > :14:53.do, which is to marketise the NHS piece by piece. I fought the NHS

:14:54. > :14:57.Bill that has privatised parts of the NHS, line-by-line, on the

:14:58. > :15:00.frontbench as the junior spokesperson for Labour. I

:15:01. > :15:04.fundamentally believe we should get back to a period where we have a

:15:05. > :15:08.clear sense of what our public goods, public services and we should

:15:09. > :15:12.be very clear that public service ethos is undermind by allowing it to

:15:13. > :15:16.be diluted. I think we made mistakes in not realising that you - You'd

:15:17. > :15:19.row back on this? This is private sector provision in the NHS as it

:15:20. > :15:24.stands that you seek to reduce? I would. I think we need to be clear

:15:25. > :15:27.that Labour should understand what collective ownership of public

:15:28. > :15:32.goods, what the value of that is. It's one of the very few things, if

:15:33. > :15:36.you like, the NHS, that exemplifies socialism in practice. It's the

:15:37. > :15:40.greatest institution in Britain that illustrates what we're all about in

:15:41. > :15:45.Labour - pooling our risks, sharing our rewards, having a service that

:15:46. > :15:50.is universal and used by everyone paid out of everybody's taxes. It's

:15:51. > :15:55.the essence of labourism. Labourism? What would we be looking at?

:15:56. > :16:02.What sort of areas could be reduced or removed? Very bluntly, we should

:16:03. > :16:08.always think about public services being held in public hands. For

:16:09. > :16:12.example the commissioning practice, lots of it is now done by private

:16:13. > :16:19.sector providers and that's a real mistake, it allows profit and cost

:16:20. > :16:23.to become the principal driver of services and not clinical decisions

:16:24. > :16:28.or need. Introducing the profit motive to the NHS, like in other

:16:29. > :16:32.areas of public service, both dilutes the sense of public

:16:33. > :16:37.connection to it and undermines the essence of what Labour is all about.

:16:38. > :16:42.Beyond that overview, the principled overview, what would the detailed

:16:43. > :16:48.look like? Commissioning. That is one area but there would be a limit?

:16:49. > :16:52.You would put a limit on it? We had a cap with the last Labour

:16:53. > :16:58.government but that is a mistake, we should simply say, we should go

:16:59. > :17:03.further, we want public services to be provided in the public sector by

:17:04. > :17:09.public servants, that should be the overriding objective of Labour

:17:10. > :17:14.because as I say, we do not want to risk those things being subverted or

:17:15. > :17:18.the underpinning ethos, the ideological purpose of them from a

:17:19. > :17:23.Labour perspective being eroded. You would grow the state in this

:17:24. > :17:26.context? I think we do need to get much bolder about what the role of

:17:27. > :17:30.the state is and I will be doing a couple of big speeches in the coming

:17:31. > :17:37.weeks spelling out what I think we got wrong as new Labour,... Give me

:17:38. > :17:41.a preview. I have just given you one about the NHS, but I will talk about

:17:42. > :17:46.taxation, I will talk about the way in which we expand public services,

:17:47. > :17:51.and allow public services to be properly resort. I will talk about

:17:52. > :17:56.funding across the UK, rights at work and the way in which we protect

:17:57. > :17:59.individuals at work through collective means of arguing for

:18:00. > :18:04.better pay and conditions and I've already outlined we should

:18:05. > :18:12.reintroduce sector wage councils as an extra ball work for workers

:18:13. > :18:23.especially women in low-paid sectors. We must move on to the I

:18:24. > :18:30.word coming immigration. Are there too many immigrants in Britain? The

:18:31. > :18:33.way in which we saw a rapid influx of particular Eastern Europe and

:18:34. > :18:36.migrants after the accession of those countries to Europe definitely

:18:37. > :18:42.caused downward pressure on wages, definitely caused changes to local

:18:43. > :18:47.terms and conditions for some workers in some sectors. We have to

:18:48. > :18:52.acknowledge that and there are ways to mitigate that with public service

:18:53. > :18:57.resources and extra money for doctors and school places. My wife

:18:58. > :19:01.is a schoolteacher and we have had significant numbers into South Wales

:19:02. > :19:05.of people fleeing the Middle East. That is something that we as a

:19:06. > :19:09.government at the centre should be acknowledging in extra funding for

:19:10. > :19:15.those areas. Today you have criticised Theresa May's decision to

:19:16. > :19:19.do away with refugees minister. That is an extraordinary decision. Would

:19:20. > :19:23.you not be in the business of numbers regarding refugees in

:19:24. > :19:26.particular and immigration in general? With refugees absolutely

:19:27. > :19:30.not, we should be honouring the great British tradition of being a

:19:31. > :19:34.place of sanctuary for people fleeing persecution, across the

:19:35. > :19:39.world. We have all seen these terrible pictures over the last few

:19:40. > :19:43.summers, we are in the foothills, I think, James, of a global shift of

:19:44. > :19:53.populations and in the foothills of the debate about that, about Howie

:19:54. > :19:55.Roseman on. Our country and other European countries. This debate will

:19:56. > :20:00.change a lot over the coming years. To be clear, it was in the manifesto

:20:01. > :20:03.where you won your seat, to have a migrant impact fund. Ed Miliband had

:20:04. > :20:09.that in place. It is still a good idea. The migrant fund not

:20:10. > :20:12.withstanding, if there were a surge in the number of people coming to

:20:13. > :20:19.Britain to work you would be comfortable if the resources were in

:20:20. > :20:24.place? We should be honest about it because part of the way the service

:20:25. > :20:28.and retail sectors, part of the way that is bounced back a bit after the

:20:29. > :20:32.recession, although it is looking parlous again now, has been because

:20:33. > :20:38.we have had an influx of effectively cheap Labour. Should we want that?

:20:39. > :20:42.It has some economic advantages, no doubt, but what is it doing to

:20:43. > :20:47.squeeze people out of jobs who are living in this country already? All

:20:48. > :20:50.of these things, we have to be much more honest and upfront with the

:20:51. > :20:54.British public about the scale of the challenges we face. If the

:20:55. > :20:58.overall number goes up you would be comfortable with that if all of

:20:59. > :21:03.these are the conditions were in place? The Tories have illustrated

:21:04. > :21:08.perfectly what a boneheaded way it is to go about making policies to

:21:09. > :21:12.set targets that you know you can't meet. Cameron Phelps completely but

:21:13. > :21:17.Theresa May is frankly making a gross mistake in getting rid of a

:21:18. > :21:21.specific refugees minister, that is a really bad thing. Equally

:21:22. > :21:24.reintroducing detention for child refugees as they are effectively

:21:25. > :21:29.dead last week, what an appalling thing that is to do. You referred

:21:30. > :21:34.obliquely to the referendum result and most people now accept there is

:21:35. > :21:38.a relatively binary choice regarding freedom of movement and access to

:21:39. > :21:43.the single market, if we continue to do business as usual with the

:21:44. > :21:46.European Union, it would probably involve freedom of movement staying

:21:47. > :21:51.in place and everyone restrictions on freedom of movement we will have

:21:52. > :21:56.to do less trade. We have to be much tougher and more vigorous in

:21:57. > :22:02.rejecting the notion that it's a binary choice, because the message

:22:03. > :22:06.we were sent with the referendum was fairly simple, it was one that

:22:07. > :22:11.people wanted to retain the benefits of trading within Europe and two,

:22:12. > :22:14.retaining constraints about laws being passed in Europe and on

:22:15. > :22:19.immigration. We can choose to do what the Tories are doing which is

:22:20. > :22:25.to say, there we go, that's that. Hard Brexit. I will be fighting much

:22:26. > :22:28.harder to talk to all of the European parties in power and out of

:22:29. > :22:34.power about how the debate is evolving because if Germany and

:22:35. > :22:38.France and Spain, they have exactly the same discussions. -- in Germany.

:22:39. > :22:45.You are rejecting this tension between freedom of movement and free

:22:46. > :22:48.trade? I am rejecting the fact it is a binary choice, that is a false

:22:49. > :22:52.choice and we should not be lying down and simply saying, these are

:22:53. > :22:58.the terms of the debate, we accept it. That is the worst thing we could

:22:59. > :23:01.possibly do. I am clear we should negotiate much harder, our leaders

:23:02. > :23:06.should demand a seat at those tables, we represent nine or 10

:23:07. > :23:10.million people who vote Labour in this country, Labour has a mandate

:23:11. > :23:17.to debate these things. Most Labour voters voted to stay in. You

:23:18. > :23:21.mentioned the mandate, Mr Corbyn's mandate is huge. He keeps telling me

:23:22. > :23:27.that. He keeps telling everyone because it is true. 50% of members

:23:28. > :23:34.voted for him, he goes on about how overwhelming it was but of members

:23:35. > :23:38.only just over 50% voted for him. 378,000 of them right now, I will

:23:39. > :23:43.talk to as many of those members as I can about what I believe in

:23:44. > :23:45.witches essentially that Britain is becoming an incredibly unequal place

:23:46. > :23:50.where people don't feel they get a fair crack of the web, where people

:23:51. > :23:54.do feel angry and frustrated that we've had a sense of loss and

:23:55. > :23:58.decline in this country for individuals and communities for a

:23:59. > :24:02.long time, but it's not enough to just moan about it, you have to put

:24:03. > :24:08.on the table what you will do to change. If you win will there be a

:24:09. > :24:13.job for him? For Jeremy Corbyn? Absolutely. He does not want to be

:24:14. > :24:18.president. I said President or chairman. There are many ways...

:24:19. > :24:26.Does he have the confidence to have any brief? -- competence. I would

:24:27. > :24:31.absolutely welcome him to the Shadow Cabinet, he should be thanked for

:24:32. > :24:35.having helped Labour to rediscover a bit of radicalism, but we need to go

:24:36. > :24:39.beyond just slogans, bit of hard solutions, we have to be practical,

:24:40. > :24:44.we are practical socialists in the Labour Party, not just debaters.

:24:45. > :24:47.Thank you very much indeed, Owen Smith.

:24:48. > :24:48.Construction hasn't even begun on London's

:24:49. > :24:53.In fact, there's still no agreement on where precisely on the North bank

:24:54. > :24:56.of the Thames the bridge will begin or end, I suppose,

:24:57. > :25:07.It was championed by Boris Johnson and even designed by his favourite

:25:08. > :25:10.architect, known for those snazzy new route master buses.

:25:11. > :25:12.His successor, Sadiq Khan, seems considerably less enthusiastic,

:25:13. > :25:14.and support for the project elsewhere at City Hall

:25:15. > :25:22.It was all supposed to start this summer but has just been pushed

:25:23. > :25:24.back to at least the Autumn, prompting Nick Watt

:25:25. > :25:28.to wonder whether it will ever be built at all.

:25:29. > :25:33.To its fans, the Garden Bridge would show the world that London is a

:25:34. > :25:35.world-class city with a spectacular place

:25:36. > :25:36.for contemplation across the

:25:37. > :25:46.If Manhattan can have the High Line, why can't London have

:25:47. > :25:52.To its detractors the bridge is a vanity project,

:25:53. > :25:53.reminiscent of, yes, the Millennium Dome.

:25:54. > :26:00.The bridge has had significant ambassadors, Boris Johnson as London

:26:01. > :26:03.mayor championed the project and the London-born George Osborne

:26:04. > :26:04.thought it would showcase the best of

:26:05. > :26:10.British design and attract visitors from across the globe.

:26:11. > :26:20.Of course Joanna Lumley, who has known Boris

:26:21. > :26:22.Johnson since she was four, dreamt up the project

:26:23. > :26:24.It is the juxtaposition of something strange,

:26:25. > :26:28.gardens in strange places, that is paradise for me.

:26:29. > :26:30.The bridge now feels unloved in Whitehall and at

:26:31. > :26:33.London City Hall after the sacking of George Osborne, and the departure

:26:34. > :26:38.Sadiq Khan, the new London mayor, was a reluctant convert and was

:26:39. > :26:40.recently given a taste of opposition to the project.

:26:41. > :26:46.Do I cancel it and waste ?40 million or

:26:47. > :26:52.The future of the bridge could be decided this week when the

:26:53. > :26:59.Transport Secretary Chris Grayling decides whether to extend a ?15

:27:00. > :27:02.million government guarantee until September next year.

:27:03. > :27:05.A no would spell real danger for the Garden

:27:06. > :27:09.My understanding is that they have spent ?38 million already.

:27:10. > :27:11.And bearing in mind they haven't got a

:27:12. > :27:19.To put that into context, the Millennium Bridge,

:27:20. > :27:21.including fixing the wobble, cost around 25 million.

:27:22. > :27:24.We could have effectively built a bridge and a

:27:25. > :27:30.half with the money they have spent just on planning and preliminaries.

:27:31. > :27:32.No doubt ministers have thought through the consequences of crossing

:27:33. > :27:35.Joanna Lumley is no slouch when it comes to

:27:36. > :27:45.So, Nick, what have you learned today?

:27:46. > :27:51.Well, we are reaching a decisive moment for the Garden Bridge, with

:27:52. > :27:55.that decision I was mentioning by Chris Grayling, whether to extend

:27:56. > :27:59.?15 million government underwriting of the project until September next

:28:00. > :28:04.year. We are told he is looking at all of the options with an open mind

:28:05. > :28:09.but I sense he will have two big thoughts. With the challenge on

:28:10. > :28:13.public finances at the moment is it right to press ahead? One source

:28:14. > :28:19.said to me, we need bridges people can cross, not that you close for

:28:20. > :28:23.parties. The second thought is the fear about ongoing liabilities, the

:28:24. > :28:26.government could pony up the money and find that the bridge actually

:28:27. > :28:30.never happens and it feels to me that this bridge really now has few

:28:31. > :28:34.friends in Whitehall after the sacking of George Osborne. One

:28:35. > :28:38.person said that the only wholehearted supporter of the bridge

:28:39. > :28:43.in the Cabinet is Boris Johnson and his mind is on other things. Don't

:28:44. > :28:46.forget about Sadiq Khan, the numerical London, a late convert to

:28:47. > :28:51.the bridge, who has been saying there can be no more public money

:28:52. > :28:56.from London. He has his mind on bridges to the east of Tower Bridge

:28:57. > :29:00.because that is about economic regeneration. You have heard from

:29:01. > :29:03.the Garden Bridge asked? Hannah Barnes has heard from the trust and

:29:04. > :29:08.it does not sound as though they are wholly confident it is going their

:29:09. > :29:11.way, a bit late in the day but they have sought a meeting with Chris

:29:12. > :29:15.Grayling and hope the government will continue to support the

:29:16. > :29:19.project. Crucially the trust have told us tonight that only the

:29:20. > :29:23.government can underwrite the project, and they say that is not a

:29:24. > :29:32.job for the private sector, so it is a note from Chris Grayling, and if

:29:33. > :29:35.it is, that 15 million has to be provided this week because they have

:29:36. > :29:40.to file it in their accounts. Troubled waters. Bridge over...

:29:41. > :29:43.Thank you a much indeed. Even a House of Cards script

:29:44. > :29:45.editor would have balked at the implausibility of this

:29:46. > :29:47.American election plot twist: Russian hackers,

:29:48. > :29:49.apparently backed by the Kremlin, were behind the leaking

:29:50. > :29:51.of confidential e-mails exchanged by senior Democrats,

:29:52. > :29:54.showing that they wanted Hilary Clinton, not Bernie Sanders,

:29:55. > :29:56.to win the nomination. And in case, that weren't juicy

:29:57. > :29:58.enough, Sanders supporters today booed their man's suggestion

:29:59. > :30:01.that they should vote Hardly the ideal backdrop

:30:02. > :30:06.to the first day of their convention On the plus side, though,

:30:07. > :30:19.Emily Maitlis is there. Thanks, James. Good evening from

:30:20. > :30:23.Philadelphia, where the democratic national convention has opened

:30:24. > :30:28.amidst the back drop of drama, accusations, conspiracy and now

:30:29. > :30:31.apology. The party chairman has resigned, following leaked e-mails

:30:32. > :30:35.which seemed to suggest she was behind a plot to back Hillary

:30:36. > :30:39.Clinton over Bernie Sanders, for the nomination, something which goes

:30:40. > :30:45.against party rules. Donald Trump has used this occasion to call

:30:46. > :30:49.Hilary, corrupt. His nickname for her is "crooked Hilary". The Clinton

:30:50. > :30:55.campaign has blamed Russia for the leaked e-mails. They say Putin did

:30:56. > :31:00.this and timed it to help Trump. The party itself has offered a deep and

:31:01. > :31:04.sincere apology to Bernie Sanders' supporters. Make no mistake, they

:31:05. > :31:09.are angry. What kind a problem will they have with Hillary Clinton now,

:31:10. > :31:12.at a time when she so desperately needs to unify the party? And are

:31:13. > :31:16.any of them open to an offer from Trump? We took a road trum to find

:31:17. > :31:22.out. -- trip to find out.

:31:23. > :31:26.The journey from Cleveland to Pennsylvania is a good

:31:27. > :31:29.ten hours of open road, we will pass golden farmland

:31:30. > :31:33.and abandoned steel towns, rolling hills and deserted wasteland.

:31:34. > :31:36.These, though, are the craved electro battle grounds

:31:37. > :31:40.-- electoral battlegrounds of the 2016 election.

:31:41. > :31:43.Our first stop is the village of Volant - home to many Amish.

:31:44. > :31:48.They live are very different lifestyle to most Americans,

:31:49. > :31:54.Buggies instead of cars, no electricity, bails of hay

:31:55. > :31:58.There are people who have managed by and large to stay

:31:59. > :32:00.immune to America's fee brow political atmosphere.

:32:01. > :32:05.Yet their self-sufficiency, working the land, producing

:32:06. > :32:08.all that they eat, wear and use can seem rather appealing to a nation

:32:09. > :32:10.that keeps being told it is no longer great.

:32:11. > :32:12.There's is a lifestyle that predates globalisation,

:32:13. > :32:17.-- theirs is a lifestyle that predates globalisation, a curious

:32:18. > :32:20.blueprint for the many Americans who now feel left behind

:32:21. > :32:22.by the speed of change, who feel that too many products

:32:23. > :32:26.are now being made overseas, or that the link between worker

:32:27. > :32:33.and product is now irreparably broken.

:32:34. > :32:36.Americans like those who live here, a town that could once boast

:32:37. > :32:42.Concerns about globalisation, voiced in the States

:32:43. > :32:46.by Trump and Sanders, or in the UK over Brexit

:32:47. > :32:49.are often traced back to the financial crash of 2008,

:32:50. > :32:53.but of course their roots were down decades ago when all of the heavy

:32:54. > :33:02.My mum and my grandma tell me a lot about it.

:33:03. > :33:06.The town was a nice place to hang around and be in, when all

:33:07. > :33:09.of the businesses were here and the steel mill was up

:33:10. > :33:14.Let's hope we can get it back to where it is.

:33:15. > :33:17.I asked Bill Bird which way he thinks he'll vote in November.

:33:18. > :33:21.I dislike Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is a joke.

:33:22. > :33:29.Pretty much, I would not say I hate them but I strongly dislike them.

:33:30. > :33:33.Pennsylvania hasn't voted for a Republican presidential

:33:34. > :33:36.candidate since 1988, but there are counties in the state

:33:37. > :33:40.that are getting redder, and here's why, the JNL Steel

:33:41. > :33:45.complex that used to employ 10,000 people in this rust belt town

:33:46. > :33:49.of Aliquippa has gone for good, and nothing, nothing

:33:50. > :33:57.The protectionist policies of the 1960s are gone,

:33:58. > :34:00.the workers blame globalisation, there might once have chosen

:34:01. > :34:04.Bernie Sanders, and they are the challenge

:34:05. > :34:10.This was downtown Aliquippa in its heyday, buzzing

:34:11. > :34:17.Now that same road barely functions, we see no one

:34:18. > :34:22.This used to be a dress shop and my mom worked

:34:23. > :34:27.Except this one, a cafe that doubles as a church community

:34:28. > :34:34.Sam worked in the steel mills for 12 years until he was laid off

:34:35. > :34:36.and he found a new job but then lost it last year.

:34:37. > :34:40.Has it been hard to find more work here?

:34:41. > :34:44.I'm not sure, sometimes you try and look hard and make it happen

:34:45. > :34:48.and sometimes you just slack off and don't worry about it.

:34:49. > :34:51.The cafe is run by Evangelist Herb Bailey.

:34:52. > :34:54.He believes blaming globalisation is wrong.

:34:55. > :34:59.We are not players in a global market like we could be.

:35:00. > :35:02.We don't need to bring industry back that was lost,

:35:03. > :35:11.There are great innovations that could be done using the same

:35:12. > :35:15.physical labour and the same intellect that captured

:35:16. > :35:17.the imagination of the rest of the world.

:35:18. > :35:20.Sandra Gul runs the Dreamers Project from this cafe, inspiring the young

:35:21. > :35:27.They don't want to be the norm of having kids,

:35:28. > :35:30.hanging out on the corners, everyone is doing positive things.

:35:31. > :35:32.You are going to vote in November, are you?

:35:33. > :35:47.She was in the background when her husband was

:35:48. > :35:52.Clinton polls well with black Americans and college

:35:53. > :35:55.graduates but when it comes to the white working class,

:35:56. > :36:03.Trump is leading her by an astonishing 40%.

:36:04. > :36:08.Bernie Sanders might have brought many of them in but the e-mail

:36:09. > :36:11.leaks allow them to voice what many had long feared,

:36:12. > :36:17.her nomination was a party stitch-up.

:36:18. > :36:22.In other words, it's no longer Bernie's problem, it's Hillary's.

:36:23. > :36:26.If the shrinking industrial heartland and all of this bucolic

:36:27. > :36:30.battle ground in between doesn't feel she played fair there may

:36:31. > :36:45.Ben Smith the editor in chief of Buzzfeed joins me now. He's just put

:36:46. > :36:48.away his BlackBerry. In terms of how much damage this has done Hillary

:36:49. > :36:52.Clinton's campaign, as she opens the convention, what's your sense? This

:36:53. > :36:57.certainly isn't what they were going for. They wanted a harmonious

:36:58. > :37:02.contrast to the Republican Convention last week. This is not

:37:03. > :37:07.that. This is a lot more, there's openly expressed conflict here than

:37:08. > :37:11.in Cleveland. Terms of the protests on the streets, Bernie supporters

:37:12. > :37:15.saying, "Anyone but Hilary now" Or they'll stay home. Do you think

:37:16. > :37:20.they'll withdraw their vote or could they put it towards a Republican

:37:21. > :37:25.ticket? I think probably electorally this is overstated. There's really

:37:26. > :37:29.no suggestion that Bernie supporters in any kind of numbers will vote for

:37:30. > :37:33.Donald Trump. There's a worry that young voters will stay home and

:37:34. > :37:37.there's a worry that the activists in this room will derail Clinton's

:37:38. > :37:45.stage show a little bit. What does she have to do now? What is the most

:37:46. > :37:50.important message? We've heard from Bernie Sanders asking for, what was

:37:51. > :37:53.the phrase, to be gracious in the hall towards his opponent. I think

:37:54. > :37:59.she would like to use the convention to talk to swing voters, to talk to

:38:00. > :38:01.people in the middle, in the suburbs, college-educated women

:38:02. > :38:05.thinking about Donald Trump. She does not want to use this convention

:38:06. > :38:09.to talk to Bernie Sanders' supporters. She wants to take them

:38:10. > :38:14.for granted. They're saying to them, look, get in line, whatever your

:38:15. > :38:18.problems are with Hilary, you should be terrified of Donald Trump. One of

:38:19. > :38:22.the statistics in the film was the huge gap for the white working class

:38:23. > :38:28.where Donald Trump has a 40% lead over Hillary Clinton. What does she

:38:29. > :38:36.have to do to close the gap? Republicans have for decades, since

:38:37. > :38:40.Reagan, had working class voters. Bernie Sanders looked like he's a

:38:41. > :38:44.product of the white working class, but his supporters are young and

:38:45. > :38:49.diverse. They're the traditional American new left. So I think for

:38:50. > :38:52.Hillary Clinton, college educated white people are the ones who moved

:38:53. > :38:55.towards Donald Trump in the last couple of days and are the reason

:38:56. > :39:00.he's up in the polls. Those are the people she's trying to get back.

:39:01. > :39:04.What was very evident at the RNC in Cleveland was just what a strong

:39:05. > :39:08.presence unwittingly Hillary Clinton was there. All the banners were

:39:09. > :39:12.aimed at her, all the chanting aimed at her. I think if Donald Trump is

:39:13. > :39:17.present here, it has the opposite effect. He wants to be part of this

:39:18. > :39:23.convention. I think at a convention where you see a lot more people

:39:24. > :39:27.holding Bernie signs. The party is united around her but with no great

:39:28. > :39:32.passion for her, the way some people love Donald Trump. They are hoping

:39:33. > :39:36.that Trump will be able to motivate voters that Hillary Clinton can't.

:39:37. > :39:39.That is going to be essential, in a sense, Hilary has a marketing

:39:40. > :39:43.problem. She's not new or novel. People know what they've got. She's

:39:44. > :39:47.got a safe VP choice S she just going to play this safe? Or does she

:39:48. > :40:00.have to do something dramatic and exciting? Until about today, and

:40:01. > :40:06.probably still, the Clinton campaign plan still thinks he can't win. Like

:40:07. > :40:11.in football, when you're up 2-1 with 15 minutes left, that's the game

:40:12. > :40:14.she's playing. The latest goals are making people in the building quite

:40:15. > :40:19.nervous. Maybe you can't just run out the clock on him. Great of you

:40:20. > :40:22.to join us here on Newsnight. It's worth saying that the party

:40:23. > :40:26.chairwoman was going to kick off events here and was going to speak.

:40:27. > :40:30.There was so much protest after the leaked e-mails she has pulled out.

:40:31. > :40:33.We will hear from Bernie Sanders later this evening. His slot has

:40:34. > :40:37.been moved even later. He becomes, as it were, the prime-time guest.

:40:38. > :40:41.There's a lot riding on this. He has to speak to his supporters but also

:40:42. > :40:48.speak to them and tell them to unify the party and get behind his former

:40:49. > :40:50.owe pon ept, Hillary Clinton. -- opponent. Hillary Clinton.

:40:51. > :40:55.Everyone over 70 should look away now, or have the illusions

:40:56. > :40:59.We leave you with the work of Marni Nixon, the most famous

:41:00. > :41:04.In the 1950s and 60s she worked behind the scenes in Hollywood

:41:05. > :41:06.providing the vocals for some "quite well known actors".

:41:07. > :41:23.# Getting to know all about you

:41:24. > :41:29.# I could have danced all night # I could have danced all night

:41:30. > :41:37.# And still have begged for more

:41:38. > :41:43.# I feel pretty, oh so pretty, but I feel

:41:44. > :42:09.Hello there. Last week's heat a fading memory. The weather getting

:42:10. > :42:11.back to normal now with westerly winds bringing normal temperatures

:42:12. > :42:13.and some sunshine, some