:00:00. > :00:00.Owen Smith wants to save the Labour Party from Jeremy Corbyn.
:00:07. > :00:11.Does he now have any chance of succeeding?
:00:12. > :00:13.As one of the women who resigned her place
:00:14. > :00:17.in the Shadow Cabinet unresigns, what can the challenger do
:00:18. > :00:23.Emily travels to the Democrat convention in Philidelphia,
:00:24. > :00:26.sounding out the anger of the American rust belt
:00:27. > :00:38.I dislike Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is... He's a joke. My mum and
:00:39. > :00:41.my grandma tell me about back when the town was a nice place to hang
:00:42. > :00:44.around and be at, when all the businesses were here and the steel
:00:45. > :00:50.mill was up and people were thriving.
:00:51. > :00:57.At the convention itself, Bernie sanders' supporters aren't happy.
:00:58. > :01:01.We've got to elect Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine. BOO
:01:02. > :01:08.Newsnight has learnt that Government guarantees,
:01:09. > :01:10.supposed to underwrite London's latest project, are in
:01:11. > :01:21.A month ago, by his own admission, you probably hadn't heard
:01:22. > :01:25.Indeed, he was barely a household name in his own household.
:01:26. > :01:28.Tonight, he lays out the credentials and the policies he believes
:01:29. > :01:31.will see him successfully challenge Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership
:01:32. > :01:38.Before that, though, Newsnight's political editor,
:01:39. > :01:41.Nick Watt, joins me to discuss the scale of that challenge
:01:42. > :01:45.and the wider travails of the Labour Party.
:01:46. > :01:48.And the challenge just got a bit bigger, Nick.
:01:49. > :01:51.The verb "to unresign" might not be in the dictionary,
:01:52. > :02:03.It is indeed. We think of you as an erudite person. The curious
:02:04. > :02:06.spectacle of Sarah Champion resigning and unresigning. She wrote
:02:07. > :02:11.to Jeremy Corbyn saying she would like her job back, thank you very
:02:12. > :02:15.much. A pointed response from Jeremy Corbyn, a source in his office told
:02:16. > :02:18.the BBC that this was like the miners strike, when the first miners
:02:19. > :02:23.went back to work and we'll see where it goes from there. As I
:02:24. > :02:26.understand it, that is signalling that when Parliament comes back in
:02:27. > :02:31.September, you may well see a few more of not these ex-Shadow Cabinet,
:02:32. > :02:34.but middle and lower ranking former Shadow ministers saying they want to
:02:35. > :02:38.come back. The coup was a failure. They were sold a pup and now it's
:02:39. > :02:44.time to knuckle down otherwise the SNP will end up as the main
:02:45. > :02:49.Opposition at Westminster. What does the broader picture mean for both
:02:50. > :02:52.contowarders, for Mr Smith and Jeremy Corbyn. He's had a difficult
:02:53. > :02:55.few days. It's got to be good news for him, because somebody who
:02:56. > :02:59.thought he was no good says it's right to be back in his team.
:03:00. > :03:02.Eyebrows are being raised Al-Attiyah comparison with the miners strike.
:03:03. > :03:05.That's a provocative thing to say, some people are saying. For Owen
:03:06. > :03:09.Smith, at one level it's not very good. He's the beneficiary this
:03:10. > :03:13.afternoon coup, and Sarah Champion is now saying, perhaps I should be
:03:14. > :03:17.back on board working for the person that Owen Smith wants to replace.
:03:18. > :03:22.But I think Owen Smith can distance himself from this. This decision was
:03:23. > :03:27.made ten days ago. It was held back to allow Sarah Champion to lead a
:03:28. > :03:31.backbench debate about online child abuse and crucially, Sarah Champion
:03:32. > :03:35.was among a number of Shadow ministers whose offices were
:03:36. > :03:39.carrying on supporting their Shadow teams, the sort of work we don't see
:03:40. > :03:43.behind-the-scenes. Nick, thank you. We'll see more of you later.
:03:44. > :03:46.So we'll hear from Owen in just a moment, but before then,
:03:47. > :03:56.a little reminder about his journey to the leadership contest.
:03:57. > :04:01.I won't be entering a contest against Jeremy Corbyn or anybody
:04:02. > :04:06.else. So proud to be addressing you,
:04:07. > :04:10.launching my bid to be the next leader of the Labour Party, and more
:04:11. > :04:14.importantly than, that the next Labour Prime Minister of this
:04:15. > :04:17.country. I would serve you with great humility and respect, you'd be
:04:18. > :04:22.a good leader of this party. I think I could also be a good leader of
:04:23. > :04:27.this party. I'm with drawing from this race and supporting Owen. He
:04:28. > :04:32.dialled 999 to get a quote from the police. Instead of the police
:04:33. > :04:36.themselves or the press office. And they then complained about you, what
:04:37. > :04:42.does it say about your judgment? We all do daft things when we're young.
:04:43. > :04:45.The country has to say, we can imagine these people running this
:04:46. > :04:50.country and do so better than the Conservatives. Tags the task I'm
:04:51. > :04:55.setting myself and everybody in Labour and I expect us to achieve
:04:56. > :05:01.it. Owen Smith joins me now. Let's begin with today's local difficulty.
:05:02. > :05:06.This was your ace in the hole, the desertion of ministers from Jeremy
:05:07. > :05:10.Corbyn and the vote of no confidence from the Parliamentary Labour Party.
:05:11. > :05:15.Sarah Champion's actions suggest a crack in the facade. Sarah's a
:05:16. > :05:19.friend Ayrad great MP. To be honest, we've gone beyond MPs now. The MPs
:05:20. > :05:23.are rather irrelevant other than Jeremy and myself in standing to
:05:24. > :05:27.contest the leadership. It's the members who count now. Sarah's vote
:05:28. > :05:31.is one amongst 500,000 members of the Labour Party. She'll get to cast
:05:32. > :05:34.that vote. She has to decide whether she's going to vote for me or Jeremy
:05:35. > :05:38.or whether she serves in the couple of weeks when Parliament comes back
:05:39. > :05:43.is neither here nor there. That's not quite right, is it? It must have
:05:44. > :05:48.been a huge part of your decision to stand that the Parliamentary Labour
:05:49. > :05:52.Party was pretty much voting, over 70%, no confidence in the leader and
:05:53. > :05:55.these ministers, both Cabinet level and junior, were deserting in their
:05:56. > :06:00.droves. This is, even if unresign isn't a word, this is the opposite
:06:01. > :06:05.of desertion, one of the foundations of your leadership bid is shaking.
:06:06. > :06:09.Well, no I don't think it is. The truth is that the reason I stood was
:06:10. > :06:15.in order to try and unite the Labour Party. We had a massive crisis of
:06:16. > :06:19.confidence in the Parliamentary Labour Party in Jeremy. The job of
:06:20. > :06:21.the leader of the Labour Party is to lead a united Opposition at
:06:22. > :06:32.Westminster or to lead a Government at Westminster. He couldn't do that.
:06:33. > :06:35.Most of those MPs now have nominated me, overwhelmly, to challenge
:06:36. > :06:38.Jeremy. Sarah deciding to go back in is a minor part of this story. Why
:06:39. > :06:45.do you think she's done it? I think a lot of people will feel that they
:06:46. > :06:49.want to fight the Tories. A lot of people will legitimately feel as I
:06:50. > :06:52.do, that we've given them too easy a ride. Perhaps she feels she can do
:06:53. > :06:56.that better on the frontbench. You're on holiday for the next few
:06:57. > :07:01.weeks. That's the point I was going to make. In reality, there are only
:07:02. > :07:05.two weeks in September and the ballots will have long since gone
:07:06. > :07:11.out by then. We're right in the last knockings of the leadership contest.
:07:12. > :07:15.In reality, Sarah going back in isn't really much of a story either
:07:16. > :07:20.way. When does it become a story? If other people follow? If 150 members
:07:21. > :07:26.of the Labour Party decide they all want to rediscover... I'm thinking
:07:27. > :07:29.more three or four, of a similar level, junior ministers,
:07:30. > :07:31.unresignations? I suspect that too won't make any difference
:07:32. > :07:36.whatsoever. We are still in this position where there is a crisis.
:07:37. > :07:40.And the Labour Party is disunited. One or two MPs decided to go back.
:07:41. > :07:43.Doesn't really change those basic facts. I think it's now for me and
:07:44. > :07:46.Jeremy to lay out our stall to explain what it is we think we
:07:47. > :07:50.should be doing in Opposition, what we might do in Government. I'm glad
:07:51. > :07:55.you said that, that is after all what we're here for. Before we lay
:07:56. > :07:59.out that stall. I wonder if Sarah Champion has responded to the siren
:08:00. > :08:03.call of John McDonnell on television, did you see that strange
:08:04. > :08:07.interlude when he spoke down the camera. You saw that, what do you
:08:08. > :08:12.think he was dog? I think he was trying to say, as I've been saying,
:08:13. > :08:16.that we need to - Hang on a minute, let's remind people who perhaps
:08:17. > :08:20.missed it, exactly what happened on the Andrew Marr Show on Sunday. Let
:08:21. > :08:23.me just say this, to Labour Party supporters, Labour members, members
:08:24. > :08:27.of the Parliamentary Labour Party, we've got to stop this now. There's
:08:28. > :08:31.a small group out there that are willing to destroy our party just to
:08:32. > :08:37.remove Jeremy Corbyn. We've got to stop them. We're on camera six,
:08:38. > :08:40.Owen. I don't know if you want to direct your response to that
:08:41. > :08:44.straight down the barrel of the camera lens as well, but tell us,
:08:45. > :08:49.either to the camera or to me, what you think Mr McDonnell was doing
:08:50. > :08:54.this? I'll tell you seeing I think it would look slightly peculiar, as
:08:55. > :08:58.it did with John to speak down the lens - John can say that if he
:08:59. > :09:02.wants. I went in on that Monday after lots of colleagues had
:09:03. > :09:05.resigned, I went in with five colleagues in order to say, we're
:09:06. > :09:09.not intending to resign, but we want to hear Jeremy, what you're going to
:09:10. > :09:13.do to save the Labour Party. How are you going to compromise in order to
:09:14. > :09:17.bring us together? John McDonnell pushed into that meeting, not having
:09:18. > :09:20.been invited. I put it to John directly that I feared he was part
:09:21. > :09:25.of the small group of people on the far left of the Labour Party who
:09:26. > :09:30.were prepared to see the party split in order to protect his project. His
:09:31. > :09:34.answer to that was to shrug his shoulders and say, "If that's what
:09:35. > :09:38.it takes." That is why I left. That is why I resigned from the
:09:39. > :09:43.frontbench. Ultimately, that's why I'm standing. I do think there is a
:09:44. > :09:48.very real danger that the party will split if Jeremy doesn't move over,
:09:49. > :09:51.that the party will be destroyed. The Tories and other forces on the
:09:52. > :09:55.right of British politics will fill the gap that Labour leaves. That
:09:56. > :09:59.will be a disaster, because we have been the greatest force for social
:10:00. > :10:04.good for 116 years in this country. It would be a tragedy if we were
:10:05. > :10:08.wiped out. Parties can be wiped out. It takes a long time for parties to
:10:09. > :10:14.rise, but they can be snuffed out just like that. That is what I fear
:10:15. > :10:19.could happen to Labour. Let's look, then, at your stall, your manifesto,
:10:20. > :10:23.if you will, particularly looking for clear blue water between you and
:10:24. > :10:27.Jeremy Corbyn. If we started with defence. Would you, as a Prime
:10:28. > :10:31.Minister, be spending more or less than the current GDP percentage on
:10:32. > :10:34.the defence budget? We should be spending 2%. We should be renewing
:10:35. > :10:39.Trident. Security of the British people has always got to be the
:10:40. > :10:42.first order of business for any Government, Labour or Tory. We've
:10:43. > :10:46.got to be serious about that. One of the weakness that's we've had
:10:47. > :10:50.recently is that people worry that Labour isn't serious about security,
:10:51. > :10:55.that it's a lesser issue for Jeremy, as it were. I'm not sure that is
:10:56. > :10:58.right, but he's got a different perspective on some of those things,
:10:59. > :11:02.on patriotism, if you like, on security and defence, I think I've
:11:03. > :11:07.got a more traditional Labour perspective on that, an old
:11:08. > :11:10.fashioned Labour perspective, that's a big difference between us. What do
:11:11. > :11:14.you mean by a different position on patriotism? I don't think Jeremy
:11:15. > :11:19.really understand, sometimes, the way in which people have a strong,
:11:20. > :11:23.perhaps socially conservative, with a small C, sense of place, sense of
:11:24. > :11:28.where they're from. I'm not sure I've heard him talking much about
:11:29. > :11:32.Scotland, an identity, Wales and identity or indeed England and
:11:33. > :11:35.identity. I suspect Jeremy has a more pet row poll tan sense of that.
:11:36. > :11:40.That's not what I think is central to the Labour tradition. Are you
:11:41. > :11:44.calling him unpatriotic? I'm saying I don't think it's core to his set
:11:45. > :11:49.of beliefs. I think he's got a set of liberal per specktives and left
:11:50. > :11:52.per specktives on things and nationhood and nationalism and
:11:53. > :11:57.patriotism aren't really part of his make up. Staying with Trident, you
:11:58. > :12:03.mention old Labour values, I think Tony Benn said, in reference to the
:12:04. > :12:07.nuclear deterrent, that we had the best protected homeless people in
:12:08. > :12:10.the world. It's the membership of the party who support Jeremy Corbyn,
:12:11. > :12:14.they're sceptical about Trident. Aren't you supposed to win them
:12:15. > :12:18.over? Yeah, but I've got to be honest about what I feel. I'm
:12:19. > :12:22.someone who used to believe that getting rid of all our nuclear
:12:23. > :12:26.weapons unilaterally was right. Now I feel the world has become an even
:12:27. > :12:29.more unpredictable, volatile place. You said a moment ago, before we
:12:30. > :12:33.went on air, it's the first time you've been presenting for a while
:12:34. > :12:39.now without some awful news being broadcast. It does feel, to lots of
:12:40. > :12:41.us, that every day there is a new, extraordinary piece of news around
:12:42. > :12:46.the world. That doesn't feel like, to me, a moment when we should be
:12:47. > :12:52.divesting... When did you change your mind? In my mid-20s, when I was
:12:53. > :12:57.a teenager, I was a member of CND and believed in unilateralism. In my
:12:58. > :13:03.mid-20s, I started to see there was a real case for hanging on to our
:13:04. > :13:07.weapons and Labour's traditional position of multilateral disarmament
:13:08. > :13:14.using ours as a bargaining chip to get other countries to get rid of
:13:15. > :13:17.theirs too. Treeza May was asked whether she was prepared to hit the
:13:18. > :13:21.nuclear button, would you be prepared to press the button? I've
:13:22. > :13:25.been asked that question a couple of times and I've said yes. If you've
:13:26. > :13:28.got a nuclear deterrent, you have to be prepared to use it. It's a
:13:29. > :13:32.terrible, terrible necessity. Obviously, one would hope that you'd
:13:33. > :13:35.never get anywhere near that and truthfully, I don't think we ever
:13:36. > :13:38.would get anywhere near it. The point is you have to be prepared to
:13:39. > :13:44.do it in order for it to be effective. Let's move on to health.
:13:45. > :13:47.This is obviously an area in which you've worked. There's been some
:13:48. > :13:52.controversy recently. In the context of health, is there room for more,
:13:53. > :13:55.you've called it choice in the past or private sector involvement in the
:13:56. > :13:59.NHS as it currently stands? Truthfully, no. My view - Changed
:14:00. > :14:04.your mind about this as well then? No. There was one press release that
:14:05. > :14:10.was written by the company that I worked for back in 2005, about a
:14:11. > :14:16.report that kaz commissioned not by me but my predecessor. That's been
:14:17. > :14:21.spun into a suggestion that I'm in favour of privatisation in the NHS.
:14:22. > :14:26.The truth is I'm incredibly proud of the NHS, Labour's greatest creation.
:14:27. > :14:30.100%, publicly owned, free at the point of view NHS should be our
:14:31. > :14:35.position. More than that, we opened the door to the Tories taking our
:14:36. > :14:42.language, that language of choice that was the Labour Party's language
:14:43. > :14:47.in the mid-2000s and using it as a Trojan horse for what they want to
:14:48. > :14:53.do, which is to marketise the NHS piece by piece. I fought the NHS
:14:54. > :14:57.Bill that has privatised parts of the NHS, line-by-line, on the
:14:58. > :15:00.frontbench as the junior spokesperson for Labour. I
:15:01. > :15:04.fundamentally believe we should get back to a period where we have a
:15:05. > :15:08.clear sense of what our public goods, public services and we should
:15:09. > :15:12.be very clear that public service ethos is undermind by allowing it to
:15:13. > :15:16.be diluted. I think we made mistakes in not realising that you - You'd
:15:17. > :15:19.row back on this? This is private sector provision in the NHS as it
:15:20. > :15:24.stands that you seek to reduce? I would. I think we need to be clear
:15:25. > :15:27.that Labour should understand what collective ownership of public
:15:28. > :15:32.goods, what the value of that is. It's one of the very few things, if
:15:33. > :15:36.you like, the NHS, that exemplifies socialism in practice. It's the
:15:37. > :15:40.greatest institution in Britain that illustrates what we're all about in
:15:41. > :15:45.Labour - pooling our risks, sharing our rewards, having a service that
:15:46. > :15:50.is universal and used by everyone paid out of everybody's taxes. It's
:15:51. > :15:55.the essence of labourism. Labourism? What would we be looking at?
:15:56. > :16:02.What sort of areas could be reduced or removed? Very bluntly, we should
:16:03. > :16:08.always think about public services being held in public hands. For
:16:09. > :16:12.example the commissioning practice, lots of it is now done by private
:16:13. > :16:19.sector providers and that's a real mistake, it allows profit and cost
:16:20. > :16:23.to become the principal driver of services and not clinical decisions
:16:24. > :16:28.or need. Introducing the profit motive to the NHS, like in other
:16:29. > :16:32.areas of public service, both dilutes the sense of public
:16:33. > :16:37.connection to it and undermines the essence of what Labour is all about.
:16:38. > :16:42.Beyond that overview, the principled overview, what would the detailed
:16:43. > :16:48.look like? Commissioning. That is one area but there would be a limit?
:16:49. > :16:52.You would put a limit on it? We had a cap with the last Labour
:16:53. > :16:58.government but that is a mistake, we should simply say, we should go
:16:59. > :17:03.further, we want public services to be provided in the public sector by
:17:04. > :17:09.public servants, that should be the overriding objective of Labour
:17:10. > :17:14.because as I say, we do not want to risk those things being subverted or
:17:15. > :17:18.the underpinning ethos, the ideological purpose of them from a
:17:19. > :17:23.Labour perspective being eroded. You would grow the state in this
:17:24. > :17:26.context? I think we do need to get much bolder about what the role of
:17:27. > :17:30.the state is and I will be doing a couple of big speeches in the coming
:17:31. > :17:37.weeks spelling out what I think we got wrong as new Labour,... Give me
:17:38. > :17:41.a preview. I have just given you one about the NHS, but I will talk about
:17:42. > :17:46.taxation, I will talk about the way in which we expand public services,
:17:47. > :17:51.and allow public services to be properly resort. I will talk about
:17:52. > :17:56.funding across the UK, rights at work and the way in which we protect
:17:57. > :17:59.individuals at work through collective means of arguing for
:18:00. > :18:04.better pay and conditions and I've already outlined we should
:18:05. > :18:12.reintroduce sector wage councils as an extra ball work for workers
:18:13. > :18:23.especially women in low-paid sectors. We must move on to the I
:18:24. > :18:30.word coming immigration. Are there too many immigrants in Britain? The
:18:31. > :18:33.way in which we saw a rapid influx of particular Eastern Europe and
:18:34. > :18:36.migrants after the accession of those countries to Europe definitely
:18:37. > :18:42.caused downward pressure on wages, definitely caused changes to local
:18:43. > :18:47.terms and conditions for some workers in some sectors. We have to
:18:48. > :18:52.acknowledge that and there are ways to mitigate that with public service
:18:53. > :18:57.resources and extra money for doctors and school places. My wife
:18:58. > :19:01.is a schoolteacher and we have had significant numbers into South Wales
:19:02. > :19:05.of people fleeing the Middle East. That is something that we as a
:19:06. > :19:09.government at the centre should be acknowledging in extra funding for
:19:10. > :19:15.those areas. Today you have criticised Theresa May's decision to
:19:16. > :19:19.do away with refugees minister. That is an extraordinary decision. Would
:19:20. > :19:23.you not be in the business of numbers regarding refugees in
:19:24. > :19:26.particular and immigration in general? With refugees absolutely
:19:27. > :19:30.not, we should be honouring the great British tradition of being a
:19:31. > :19:34.place of sanctuary for people fleeing persecution, across the
:19:35. > :19:39.world. We have all seen these terrible pictures over the last few
:19:40. > :19:43.summers, we are in the foothills, I think, James, of a global shift of
:19:44. > :19:53.populations and in the foothills of the debate about that, about Howie
:19:54. > :19:55.Roseman on. Our country and other European countries. This debate will
:19:56. > :20:00.change a lot over the coming years. To be clear, it was in the manifesto
:20:01. > :20:03.where you won your seat, to have a migrant impact fund. Ed Miliband had
:20:04. > :20:09.that in place. It is still a good idea. The migrant fund not
:20:10. > :20:12.withstanding, if there were a surge in the number of people coming to
:20:13. > :20:19.Britain to work you would be comfortable if the resources were in
:20:20. > :20:24.place? We should be honest about it because part of the way the service
:20:25. > :20:28.and retail sectors, part of the way that is bounced back a bit after the
:20:29. > :20:32.recession, although it is looking parlous again now, has been because
:20:33. > :20:38.we have had an influx of effectively cheap Labour. Should we want that?
:20:39. > :20:42.It has some economic advantages, no doubt, but what is it doing to
:20:43. > :20:47.squeeze people out of jobs who are living in this country already? All
:20:48. > :20:50.of these things, we have to be much more honest and upfront with the
:20:51. > :20:54.British public about the scale of the challenges we face. If the
:20:55. > :20:58.overall number goes up you would be comfortable with that if all of
:20:59. > :21:03.these are the conditions were in place? The Tories have illustrated
:21:04. > :21:08.perfectly what a boneheaded way it is to go about making policies to
:21:09. > :21:12.set targets that you know you can't meet. Cameron Phelps completely but
:21:13. > :21:17.Theresa May is frankly making a gross mistake in getting rid of a
:21:18. > :21:21.specific refugees minister, that is a really bad thing. Equally
:21:22. > :21:24.reintroducing detention for child refugees as they are effectively
:21:25. > :21:29.dead last week, what an appalling thing that is to do. You referred
:21:30. > :21:34.obliquely to the referendum result and most people now accept there is
:21:35. > :21:38.a relatively binary choice regarding freedom of movement and access to
:21:39. > :21:43.the single market, if we continue to do business as usual with the
:21:44. > :21:46.European Union, it would probably involve freedom of movement staying
:21:47. > :21:51.in place and everyone restrictions on freedom of movement we will have
:21:52. > :21:56.to do less trade. We have to be much tougher and more vigorous in
:21:57. > :22:02.rejecting the notion that it's a binary choice, because the message
:22:03. > :22:06.we were sent with the referendum was fairly simple, it was one that
:22:07. > :22:11.people wanted to retain the benefits of trading within Europe and two,
:22:12. > :22:14.retaining constraints about laws being passed in Europe and on
:22:15. > :22:19.immigration. We can choose to do what the Tories are doing which is
:22:20. > :22:25.to say, there we go, that's that. Hard Brexit. I will be fighting much
:22:26. > :22:28.harder to talk to all of the European parties in power and out of
:22:29. > :22:34.power about how the debate is evolving because if Germany and
:22:35. > :22:38.France and Spain, they have exactly the same discussions. -- in Germany.
:22:39. > :22:45.You are rejecting this tension between freedom of movement and free
:22:46. > :22:48.trade? I am rejecting the fact it is a binary choice, that is a false
:22:49. > :22:52.choice and we should not be lying down and simply saying, these are
:22:53. > :22:58.the terms of the debate, we accept it. That is the worst thing we could
:22:59. > :23:01.possibly do. I am clear we should negotiate much harder, our leaders
:23:02. > :23:06.should demand a seat at those tables, we represent nine or 10
:23:07. > :23:10.million people who vote Labour in this country, Labour has a mandate
:23:11. > :23:17.to debate these things. Most Labour voters voted to stay in. You
:23:18. > :23:21.mentioned the mandate, Mr Corbyn's mandate is huge. He keeps telling me
:23:22. > :23:27.that. He keeps telling everyone because it is true. 50% of members
:23:28. > :23:34.voted for him, he goes on about how overwhelming it was but of members
:23:35. > :23:38.only just over 50% voted for him. 378,000 of them right now, I will
:23:39. > :23:43.talk to as many of those members as I can about what I believe in
:23:44. > :23:45.witches essentially that Britain is becoming an incredibly unequal place
:23:46. > :23:50.where people don't feel they get a fair crack of the web, where people
:23:51. > :23:54.do feel angry and frustrated that we've had a sense of loss and
:23:55. > :23:58.decline in this country for individuals and communities for a
:23:59. > :24:02.long time, but it's not enough to just moan about it, you have to put
:24:03. > :24:08.on the table what you will do to change. If you win will there be a
:24:09. > :24:13.job for him? For Jeremy Corbyn? Absolutely. He does not want to be
:24:14. > :24:18.president. I said President or chairman. There are many ways...
:24:19. > :24:26.Does he have the confidence to have any brief? -- competence. I would
:24:27. > :24:31.absolutely welcome him to the Shadow Cabinet, he should be thanked for
:24:32. > :24:35.having helped Labour to rediscover a bit of radicalism, but we need to go
:24:36. > :24:39.beyond just slogans, bit of hard solutions, we have to be practical,
:24:40. > :24:44.we are practical socialists in the Labour Party, not just debaters.
:24:45. > :24:47.Thank you very much indeed, Owen Smith.
:24:48. > :24:48.Construction hasn't even begun on London's
:24:49. > :24:53.In fact, there's still no agreement on where precisely on the North bank
:24:54. > :24:56.of the Thames the bridge will begin or end, I suppose,
:24:57. > :25:07.It was championed by Boris Johnson and even designed by his favourite
:25:08. > :25:10.architect, known for those snazzy new route master buses.
:25:11. > :25:12.His successor, Sadiq Khan, seems considerably less enthusiastic,
:25:13. > :25:14.and support for the project elsewhere at City Hall
:25:15. > :25:22.It was all supposed to start this summer but has just been pushed
:25:23. > :25:24.back to at least the Autumn, prompting Nick Watt
:25:25. > :25:28.to wonder whether it will ever be built at all.
:25:29. > :25:33.To its fans, the Garden Bridge would show the world that London is a
:25:34. > :25:35.world-class city with a spectacular place
:25:36. > :25:36.for contemplation across the
:25:37. > :25:46.If Manhattan can have the High Line, why can't London have
:25:47. > :25:52.To its detractors the bridge is a vanity project,
:25:53. > :25:53.reminiscent of, yes, the Millennium Dome.
:25:54. > :26:00.The bridge has had significant ambassadors, Boris Johnson as London
:26:01. > :26:03.mayor championed the project and the London-born George Osborne
:26:04. > :26:04.thought it would showcase the best of
:26:05. > :26:10.British design and attract visitors from across the globe.
:26:11. > :26:20.Of course Joanna Lumley, who has known Boris
:26:21. > :26:22.Johnson since she was four, dreamt up the project
:26:23. > :26:24.It is the juxtaposition of something strange,
:26:25. > :26:28.gardens in strange places, that is paradise for me.
:26:29. > :26:30.The bridge now feels unloved in Whitehall and at
:26:31. > :26:33.London City Hall after the sacking of George Osborne, and the departure
:26:34. > :26:38.Sadiq Khan, the new London mayor, was a reluctant convert and was
:26:39. > :26:40.recently given a taste of opposition to the project.
:26:41. > :26:46.Do I cancel it and waste ?40 million or
:26:47. > :26:52.The future of the bridge could be decided this week when the
:26:53. > :26:59.Transport Secretary Chris Grayling decides whether to extend a ?15
:27:00. > :27:02.million government guarantee until September next year.
:27:03. > :27:05.A no would spell real danger for the Garden
:27:06. > :27:09.My understanding is that they have spent ?38 million already.
:27:10. > :27:11.And bearing in mind they haven't got a
:27:12. > :27:19.To put that into context, the Millennium Bridge,
:27:20. > :27:21.including fixing the wobble, cost around 25 million.
:27:22. > :27:24.We could have effectively built a bridge and a
:27:25. > :27:30.half with the money they have spent just on planning and preliminaries.
:27:31. > :27:32.No doubt ministers have thought through the consequences of crossing
:27:33. > :27:35.Joanna Lumley is no slouch when it comes to
:27:36. > :27:45.So, Nick, what have you learned today?
:27:46. > :27:51.Well, we are reaching a decisive moment for the Garden Bridge, with
:27:52. > :27:55.that decision I was mentioning by Chris Grayling, whether to extend
:27:56. > :27:59.?15 million government underwriting of the project until September next
:28:00. > :28:04.year. We are told he is looking at all of the options with an open mind
:28:05. > :28:09.but I sense he will have two big thoughts. With the challenge on
:28:10. > :28:13.public finances at the moment is it right to press ahead? One source
:28:14. > :28:19.said to me, we need bridges people can cross, not that you close for
:28:20. > :28:23.parties. The second thought is the fear about ongoing liabilities, the
:28:24. > :28:26.government could pony up the money and find that the bridge actually
:28:27. > :28:30.never happens and it feels to me that this bridge really now has few
:28:31. > :28:34.friends in Whitehall after the sacking of George Osborne. One
:28:35. > :28:38.person said that the only wholehearted supporter of the bridge
:28:39. > :28:43.in the Cabinet is Boris Johnson and his mind is on other things. Don't
:28:44. > :28:46.forget about Sadiq Khan, the numerical London, a late convert to
:28:47. > :28:51.the bridge, who has been saying there can be no more public money
:28:52. > :28:56.from London. He has his mind on bridges to the east of Tower Bridge
:28:57. > :29:00.because that is about economic regeneration. You have heard from
:29:01. > :29:03.the Garden Bridge asked? Hannah Barnes has heard from the trust and
:29:04. > :29:08.it does not sound as though they are wholly confident it is going their
:29:09. > :29:11.way, a bit late in the day but they have sought a meeting with Chris
:29:12. > :29:15.Grayling and hope the government will continue to support the
:29:16. > :29:19.project. Crucially the trust have told us tonight that only the
:29:20. > :29:23.government can underwrite the project, and they say that is not a
:29:24. > :29:32.job for the private sector, so it is a note from Chris Grayling, and if
:29:33. > :29:35.it is, that 15 million has to be provided this week because they have
:29:36. > :29:40.to file it in their accounts. Troubled waters. Bridge over...
:29:41. > :29:43.Thank you a much indeed. Even a House of Cards script
:29:44. > :29:45.editor would have balked at the implausibility of this
:29:46. > :29:47.American election plot twist: Russian hackers,
:29:48. > :29:49.apparently backed by the Kremlin, were behind the leaking
:29:50. > :29:51.of confidential e-mails exchanged by senior Democrats,
:29:52. > :29:54.showing that they wanted Hilary Clinton, not Bernie Sanders,
:29:55. > :29:56.to win the nomination. And in case, that weren't juicy
:29:57. > :29:58.enough, Sanders supporters today booed their man's suggestion
:29:59. > :30:01.that they should vote Hardly the ideal backdrop
:30:02. > :30:06.to the first day of their convention On the plus side, though,
:30:07. > :30:19.Emily Maitlis is there. Thanks, James. Good evening from
:30:20. > :30:23.Philadelphia, where the democratic national convention has opened
:30:24. > :30:28.amidst the back drop of drama, accusations, conspiracy and now
:30:29. > :30:31.apology. The party chairman has resigned, following leaked e-mails
:30:32. > :30:35.which seemed to suggest she was behind a plot to back Hillary
:30:36. > :30:39.Clinton over Bernie Sanders, for the nomination, something which goes
:30:40. > :30:45.against party rules. Donald Trump has used this occasion to call
:30:46. > :30:49.Hilary, corrupt. His nickname for her is "crooked Hilary". The Clinton
:30:50. > :30:55.campaign has blamed Russia for the leaked e-mails. They say Putin did
:30:56. > :31:00.this and timed it to help Trump. The party itself has offered a deep and
:31:01. > :31:04.sincere apology to Bernie Sanders' supporters. Make no mistake, they
:31:05. > :31:09.are angry. What kind a problem will they have with Hillary Clinton now,
:31:10. > :31:12.at a time when she so desperately needs to unify the party? And are
:31:13. > :31:16.any of them open to an offer from Trump? We took a road trum to find
:31:17. > :31:22.out. -- trip to find out.
:31:23. > :31:26.The journey from Cleveland to Pennsylvania is a good
:31:27. > :31:29.ten hours of open road, we will pass golden farmland
:31:30. > :31:33.and abandoned steel towns, rolling hills and deserted wasteland.
:31:34. > :31:36.These, though, are the craved electro battle grounds
:31:37. > :31:40.-- electoral battlegrounds of the 2016 election.
:31:41. > :31:43.Our first stop is the village of Volant - home to many Amish.
:31:44. > :31:48.They live are very different lifestyle to most Americans,
:31:49. > :31:54.Buggies instead of cars, no electricity, bails of hay
:31:55. > :31:58.There are people who have managed by and large to stay
:31:59. > :32:00.immune to America's fee brow political atmosphere.
:32:01. > :32:05.Yet their self-sufficiency, working the land, producing
:32:06. > :32:08.all that they eat, wear and use can seem rather appealing to a nation
:32:09. > :32:10.that keeps being told it is no longer great.
:32:11. > :32:12.There's is a lifestyle that predates globalisation,
:32:13. > :32:17.-- theirs is a lifestyle that predates globalisation, a curious
:32:18. > :32:20.blueprint for the many Americans who now feel left behind
:32:21. > :32:22.by the speed of change, who feel that too many products
:32:23. > :32:26.are now being made overseas, or that the link between worker
:32:27. > :32:33.and product is now irreparably broken.
:32:34. > :32:36.Americans like those who live here, a town that could once boast
:32:37. > :32:42.Concerns about globalisation, voiced in the States
:32:43. > :32:46.by Trump and Sanders, or in the UK over Brexit
:32:47. > :32:49.are often traced back to the financial crash of 2008,
:32:50. > :32:53.but of course their roots were down decades ago when all of the heavy
:32:54. > :33:02.My mum and my grandma tell me a lot about it.
:33:03. > :33:06.The town was a nice place to hang around and be in, when all
:33:07. > :33:09.of the businesses were here and the steel mill was up
:33:10. > :33:14.Let's hope we can get it back to where it is.
:33:15. > :33:17.I asked Bill Bird which way he thinks he'll vote in November.
:33:18. > :33:21.I dislike Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is a joke.
:33:22. > :33:29.Pretty much, I would not say I hate them but I strongly dislike them.
:33:30. > :33:33.Pennsylvania hasn't voted for a Republican presidential
:33:34. > :33:36.candidate since 1988, but there are counties in the state
:33:37. > :33:40.that are getting redder, and here's why, the JNL Steel
:33:41. > :33:45.complex that used to employ 10,000 people in this rust belt town
:33:46. > :33:49.of Aliquippa has gone for good, and nothing, nothing
:33:50. > :33:57.The protectionist policies of the 1960s are gone,
:33:58. > :34:00.the workers blame globalisation, there might once have chosen
:34:01. > :34:04.Bernie Sanders, and they are the challenge
:34:05. > :34:10.This was downtown Aliquippa in its heyday, buzzing
:34:11. > :34:17.Now that same road barely functions, we see no one
:34:18. > :34:22.This used to be a dress shop and my mom worked
:34:23. > :34:27.Except this one, a cafe that doubles as a church community
:34:28. > :34:34.Sam worked in the steel mills for 12 years until he was laid off
:34:35. > :34:36.and he found a new job but then lost it last year.
:34:37. > :34:40.Has it been hard to find more work here?
:34:41. > :34:44.I'm not sure, sometimes you try and look hard and make it happen
:34:45. > :34:48.and sometimes you just slack off and don't worry about it.
:34:49. > :34:51.The cafe is run by Evangelist Herb Bailey.
:34:52. > :34:54.He believes blaming globalisation is wrong.
:34:55. > :34:59.We are not players in a global market like we could be.
:35:00. > :35:02.We don't need to bring industry back that was lost,
:35:03. > :35:11.There are great innovations that could be done using the same
:35:12. > :35:15.physical labour and the same intellect that captured
:35:16. > :35:17.the imagination of the rest of the world.
:35:18. > :35:20.Sandra Gul runs the Dreamers Project from this cafe, inspiring the young
:35:21. > :35:27.They don't want to be the norm of having kids,
:35:28. > :35:30.hanging out on the corners, everyone is doing positive things.
:35:31. > :35:32.You are going to vote in November, are you?
:35:33. > :35:47.She was in the background when her husband was
:35:48. > :35:52.Clinton polls well with black Americans and college
:35:53. > :35:55.graduates but when it comes to the white working class,
:35:56. > :36:03.Trump is leading her by an astonishing 40%.
:36:04. > :36:08.Bernie Sanders might have brought many of them in but the e-mail
:36:09. > :36:11.leaks allow them to voice what many had long feared,
:36:12. > :36:17.her nomination was a party stitch-up.
:36:18. > :36:22.In other words, it's no longer Bernie's problem, it's Hillary's.
:36:23. > :36:26.If the shrinking industrial heartland and all of this bucolic
:36:27. > :36:30.battle ground in between doesn't feel she played fair there may
:36:31. > :36:45.Ben Smith the editor in chief of Buzzfeed joins me now. He's just put
:36:46. > :36:48.away his BlackBerry. In terms of how much damage this has done Hillary
:36:49. > :36:52.Clinton's campaign, as she opens the convention, what's your sense? This
:36:53. > :36:57.certainly isn't what they were going for. They wanted a harmonious
:36:58. > :37:02.contrast to the Republican Convention last week. This is not
:37:03. > :37:07.that. This is a lot more, there's openly expressed conflict here than
:37:08. > :37:11.in Cleveland. Terms of the protests on the streets, Bernie supporters
:37:12. > :37:15.saying, "Anyone but Hilary now" Or they'll stay home. Do you think
:37:16. > :37:20.they'll withdraw their vote or could they put it towards a Republican
:37:21. > :37:25.ticket? I think probably electorally this is overstated. There's really
:37:26. > :37:29.no suggestion that Bernie supporters in any kind of numbers will vote for
:37:30. > :37:33.Donald Trump. There's a worry that young voters will stay home and
:37:34. > :37:37.there's a worry that the activists in this room will derail Clinton's
:37:38. > :37:45.stage show a little bit. What does she have to do now? What is the most
:37:46. > :37:50.important message? We've heard from Bernie Sanders asking for, what was
:37:51. > :37:53.the phrase, to be gracious in the hall towards his opponent. I think
:37:54. > :37:59.she would like to use the convention to talk to swing voters, to talk to
:38:00. > :38:01.people in the middle, in the suburbs, college-educated women
:38:02. > :38:05.thinking about Donald Trump. She does not want to use this convention
:38:06. > :38:09.to talk to Bernie Sanders' supporters. She wants to take them
:38:10. > :38:14.for granted. They're saying to them, look, get in line, whatever your
:38:15. > :38:18.problems are with Hilary, you should be terrified of Donald Trump. One of
:38:19. > :38:22.the statistics in the film was the huge gap for the white working class
:38:23. > :38:28.where Donald Trump has a 40% lead over Hillary Clinton. What does she
:38:29. > :38:36.have to do to close the gap? Republicans have for decades, since
:38:37. > :38:40.Reagan, had working class voters. Bernie Sanders looked like he's a
:38:41. > :38:44.product of the white working class, but his supporters are young and
:38:45. > :38:49.diverse. They're the traditional American new left. So I think for
:38:50. > :38:52.Hillary Clinton, college educated white people are the ones who moved
:38:53. > :38:55.towards Donald Trump in the last couple of days and are the reason
:38:56. > :39:00.he's up in the polls. Those are the people she's trying to get back.
:39:01. > :39:04.What was very evident at the RNC in Cleveland was just what a strong
:39:05. > :39:08.presence unwittingly Hillary Clinton was there. All the banners were
:39:09. > :39:12.aimed at her, all the chanting aimed at her. I think if Donald Trump is
:39:13. > :39:17.present here, it has the opposite effect. He wants to be part of this
:39:18. > :39:23.convention. I think at a convention where you see a lot more people
:39:24. > :39:27.holding Bernie signs. The party is united around her but with no great
:39:28. > :39:32.passion for her, the way some people love Donald Trump. They are hoping
:39:33. > :39:36.that Trump will be able to motivate voters that Hillary Clinton can't.
:39:37. > :39:39.That is going to be essential, in a sense, Hilary has a marketing
:39:40. > :39:43.problem. She's not new or novel. People know what they've got. She's
:39:44. > :39:47.got a safe VP choice S she just going to play this safe? Or does she
:39:48. > :40:00.have to do something dramatic and exciting? Until about today, and
:40:01. > :40:06.probably still, the Clinton campaign plan still thinks he can't win. Like
:40:07. > :40:11.in football, when you're up 2-1 with 15 minutes left, that's the game
:40:12. > :40:14.she's playing. The latest goals are making people in the building quite
:40:15. > :40:19.nervous. Maybe you can't just run out the clock on him. Great of you
:40:20. > :40:22.to join us here on Newsnight. It's worth saying that the party
:40:23. > :40:26.chairwoman was going to kick off events here and was going to speak.
:40:27. > :40:30.There was so much protest after the leaked e-mails she has pulled out.
:40:31. > :40:33.We will hear from Bernie Sanders later this evening. His slot has
:40:34. > :40:37.been moved even later. He becomes, as it were, the prime-time guest.
:40:38. > :40:41.There's a lot riding on this. He has to speak to his supporters but also
:40:42. > :40:48.speak to them and tell them to unify the party and get behind his former
:40:49. > :40:50.owe pon ept, Hillary Clinton. -- opponent. Hillary Clinton.
:40:51. > :40:55.Everyone over 70 should look away now, or have the illusions
:40:56. > :40:59.We leave you with the work of Marni Nixon, the most famous
:41:00. > :41:04.In the 1950s and 60s she worked behind the scenes in Hollywood
:41:05. > :41:06.providing the vocals for some "quite well known actors".
:41:07. > :41:23.# Getting to know all about you
:41:24. > :41:29.# I could have danced all night # I could have danced all night
:41:30. > :41:37.# And still have begged for more
:41:38. > :41:43.# I feel pretty, oh so pretty, but I feel
:41:44. > :42:09.Hello there. Last week's heat a fading memory. The weather getting
:42:10. > :42:11.back to normal now with westerly winds bringing normal temperatures
:42:12. > :42:13.and some sunshine, some