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:00:00. > :00:07.The Chinese President riding high over

:00:08. > :00:08.the new business relationship with Britain.

:00:09. > :00:11.But are the wheels coming off the carriage?

:00:12. > :00:13.Tonight, the Government says it's reviewing

:00:14. > :00:16.the whole plan for Hinkley Point C, but have concerns about China's true

:00:17. > :00:22.This former government adviser says it could be

:00:23. > :00:31.I am confident that Jeremy Corbyn will come out as a leader of Labour

:00:32. > :00:35.as well as our next Prime Minister at Number 10.

:00:36. > :00:38.And is the battle for the soul of the Labour Party all

:00:39. > :00:41.Is the good life really all that good for you?

:00:42. > :00:44.Celebrity gardener Monty Don pours a pile of manure on the the idea

:00:45. > :00:47.of self sufficiency from a great height.

:00:48. > :00:50.If one of you so much as sniggers, I'm going straight back indoors.

:00:51. > :00:54.And on Artsnight tonight, Lynn Barber meets King

:00:55. > :01:00.I look at it as a really, really, seriously good achievement.

:01:01. > :01:15.I wouldn't have given myself the chance at 21.

:01:16. > :01:19.When the Chinese Premier came to Britain on the first state visit

:01:20. > :01:22.in a decade last year, it was heralded as a Golden era

:01:23. > :01:33.Hinkley Point C was to be the first nuclear power station built in the

:01:34. > :01:45.UK for a generation. Costs rising, and doubts

:01:46. > :01:53.about whether it was the right technology, when the Chinese came

:01:54. > :01:56.in to plug the EDF funding gap The Government says it would be

:01:57. > :02:00.irresponsible if the new Prime Minister, Theresa May,

:02:01. > :02:02.did not review the deal, but is it China's long

:02:03. > :02:04.game that's sending alarm bells I'm joined by our Business

:02:05. > :02:10.Editor, Helen Thomas. There was definitely an element of

:02:11. > :02:15.surprise. Some senior management at EDS, some board members, they did

:02:16. > :02:20.not know this statement was coming. There is some dismay on the French

:02:21. > :02:24.side. They have already spent ?2.5 billion preparing this site. That is

:02:25. > :02:30.money they do not get back if the deal does not go ahead? Is this

:02:31. > :02:34.about a general review all the Chinese? The official government

:02:35. > :02:39.line is this is a new Prime Minister wanting to do her homework. She

:02:40. > :02:42.wants to be on top of the details but this will take into

:02:43. > :02:48.consideration all elements of the project, value for money, etc. What

:02:49. > :02:53.Newsnight has been told is the issue of China and National 's does loom

:02:54. > :02:58.particularly large in Theresa May's thinking. What we have been told is

:02:59. > :03:03.that when she was Home Secretary she voiced concerns about the idea of

:03:04. > :03:08.China investing in nuclear power in this country. She said these

:03:09. > :03:12.concerns with some of her Cabinet colleagues and these worries were

:03:13. > :03:16.discussed at the National Security Council, as well as proposals to

:03:17. > :03:20.give the UK Government more of a hand in vetting foreign investment

:03:21. > :03:25.in our critical infrastructure. That is not to say the deal will not go

:03:26. > :03:30.ahead. Greg Clark, the business and Energy Secretary met the companies

:03:31. > :03:35.today with a reassuring message. But it does feel like this is more than

:03:36. > :03:42.dotting the eyes and dotting the Tees. Is it Theresa May driving

:03:43. > :03:47.mess? That is what we are told. If it were the case of mixing the

:03:48. > :03:52.Chinese money, would anyone else step up to the mark? Hinkley is not

:03:53. > :03:59.necessarily be concerned. The Chinese are putting money into

:04:00. > :04:06.Hinkley and not the technology. The concern is what happens further down

:04:07. > :04:11.the line, the idea of the Chinese reactor in Bradwell. Hinkley needs

:04:12. > :04:16.?6 billion of Chinese money. EDF has jumped through hoops to try to get

:04:17. > :04:22.financing in place. They have sold assets and raised funds. They do not

:04:23. > :04:26.have another 6 billion line spare. If Chinese money is unavailable for

:04:27. > :04:31.the project, where do you go? One idea, could the new government but

:04:32. > :04:33.with its new attitude in investing in infrastructure helped to plug

:04:34. > :04:50.some of that gap? I am joined now by an energy expert

:04:51. > :04:54.from EDL. Is it a broad, general review or is this about concerns

:04:55. > :05:01.over Chinese involvement down the line? It looks like a broader view

:05:02. > :05:07.of what is going on, including questions of French financing and

:05:08. > :05:13.clarification about the deal which may not be such a good thing for the

:05:14. > :05:20.UK. Certainly, there are concerns and issues with the idea of letting

:05:21. > :05:24.China into our critical nuclear infrastructure. And this would be a

:05:25. > :05:31.case of not letting them into the critical nuclear structure as Helen

:05:32. > :05:35.said. Now, beyond Hinkley and Sizewell, it would be about building

:05:36. > :05:42.and controlling a power station in Branwell, would that be right? Yes,

:05:43. > :05:49.it is. The Chinese are acting as deep pockets to help the French with

:05:50. > :05:53.Hinkley. We understand later on potentially, if Hinkley comes off,

:05:54. > :05:57.which it may not, with Sizewell, on the understanding they will be

:05:58. > :06:01.allowed to build that own home-grown nuclear reactor, build and operate

:06:02. > :06:07.their own nuclear reactor in Bradwell further down the line. They

:06:08. > :06:13.see this as a loss leader. Not many people would have that much faith in

:06:14. > :06:19.Hinkley as a technology. The EPR, the reactor brand that is being

:06:20. > :06:25.mooted for Hinkley, the two EPR 's which are being built in China.

:06:26. > :06:32.Unfortunately, there are some significant problems with that

:06:33. > :06:38.build. On the question of Branwell, what are the dangers question what

:06:39. > :06:42.is the worst scenario? Our relationships with China can ebb and

:06:43. > :06:50.flow in the 40 years in nuclear plant runs and powers. China is well

:06:51. > :06:59.known for seeding data and taking data and for seeding certain kinds

:07:00. > :07:03.of data in critical structures. This, we are talking about, is

:07:04. > :07:09.critical nuclear infrastructure. We're not talking about military, we

:07:10. > :07:15.are talking about civil. Security is actually concerned about this key

:07:16. > :07:18.issue. Let's be quite clear on this. Is it possible the Chinese could

:07:19. > :07:27.actually reduce the power coming out of Branwell is they made it? Could

:07:28. > :07:31.it affect our energy supply? It is theoretically possible. It is

:07:32. > :07:34.theoretically possible. There are other issues around what kinds of

:07:35. > :07:40.data they could get from other forms of nuclear plant and what kinds of

:07:41. > :07:44.data they can push around. It is not simply about shutting down Bradwell,

:07:45. > :07:48.if Bradwell were ever to be constructed. It is a slightly

:07:49. > :07:58.broader issue. Remember, there is a slight distinction between people in

:07:59. > :08:01.the Treasury and people at the MOD. Tell me about that. I understand you

:08:02. > :08:11.were in a meeting with military chiefs where there was a concern

:08:12. > :08:13.about this. Absolutely. It is a long discussion and a well rehearsed

:08:14. > :08:19.discussion. It is a discussion that needs to be ongoing. The Treasury,

:08:20. > :08:29.you could argue, is more concerned about the money. Tell me, what was

:08:30. > :08:33.the concern of the military? China is not necessarily militarily a

:08:34. > :08:38.friendly nation to us. It is all well and good to do trade with them

:08:39. > :08:44.and critically important, nuclear is different. It is a different form of

:08:45. > :08:48.technology with different risks, different problems, issues and

:08:49. > :08:52.concerns that it is a critical nuclear infrastructure. America

:08:53. > :08:55.would not let China within 100 miles of their critical nuclear

:08:56. > :09:03.infrastructure. Is it your view that this is a Chinese Trojan horse?

:09:04. > :09:08.Certainly, it is a loss leader for China. It has no great expectations

:09:09. > :09:13.for Hinkley. It wants to get into the UK market in order to

:09:14. > :09:18.potentially then expand its nuclear export elsewhere. Thank you very

:09:19. > :09:21.much indeed for joining us. Hillary Clinton will be desperately

:09:22. > :09:24.hoping for a post Convention poll bounce that she can capitalise

:09:25. > :09:26.on after she formally accepted the Democratic presidential

:09:27. > :09:27.nomination last night, so today she headed straight out

:09:28. > :09:30.on a bus tour of two "Rust Belt" swing states -

:09:31. > :09:33.Pennsylvania, where she's narrowly ahead of Donald Trump and Ohio

:09:34. > :09:35.where they are tied. Trump is in another swing

:09:36. > :09:38.state, Colorado, today. Will either of these hugely

:09:39. > :09:50.divisive candidates, who are groundbreakingly unpopular

:09:51. > :09:52.in their own party, actually be able to get the vote out

:09:53. > :09:55.after a rancorous Primary season? And might the disillusionment

:09:56. > :09:57.be such that the Green candidate, Jill Stein,

:09:58. > :09:59.and the Independent, Gary Johnson, Emily charts how the next three

:10:00. > :10:03.months might play out. My hero and our next

:10:04. > :10:13.president, Hillary Clinton. In Philadelphia, the birthplace

:10:14. > :10:16.of American democracy, introduced by the only

:10:17. > :10:20.person who can call her mum, Hillary Clinton cemented her

:10:21. > :10:25.own place in history. When any barrier falls in America,

:10:26. > :10:32.it clears the way for everyone. After all, when there are no

:10:33. > :10:41.ceilings, the sky is the limit. She reached across the aisle not

:10:42. > :10:44.just to Republicans, but to her own party,

:10:45. > :10:47.telling Sanders supporters, Clinton's speech marks the end

:10:48. > :10:53.of the convention and the beginning of the general

:10:54. > :10:56.election campaign. But once the dust has settled

:10:57. > :10:59.and the air has gone out of hundreds of balloons,

:11:00. > :11:03.then the real work begins. How to mobilise the vote

:11:04. > :11:06.and talk to a people who feel I catch up with

:11:07. > :11:14.Nancy Pelosi, to date America's highest-ranking

:11:15. > :11:16.female politician. I know about power,

:11:17. > :11:19.I know about Hillary. She just happens to be a woman

:11:20. > :11:24.and that makes it very exciting. Do you think the Democrats have

:11:25. > :11:27.captured that message of optimism? I think so.

:11:28. > :11:28.I think so. It's a question of

:11:29. > :11:31.turning out the vote. Messaging is one thing.

:11:32. > :11:35.Voter turnout is another one. You can't have turnout

:11:36. > :11:36.without the message. Having a strong message of economic

:11:37. > :11:41.security for all Americans, And to communicate that to people

:11:42. > :11:47.so they understand what is in I'm worried about those people

:11:48. > :11:53.who have become cynical and say, "It's not going to make any

:11:54. > :11:56.difference what my vote is." Or the ones who say that

:11:57. > :11:58.Donald Trump will win Those are people that we really

:11:59. > :12:05.have to be careful about. We also need to be

:12:06. > :12:08.concerned about people that have just become so disgusted

:12:09. > :12:11.with government, that they just kind There are parts of

:12:12. > :12:23.Philadelphia that look They call this the Valley,

:12:24. > :12:26.gangland in the 1970s. Rough and poor.

:12:27. > :12:28.But it's nice. Bernard was a former

:12:29. > :12:32.gang member here. We was on lots of drugs

:12:33. > :12:39.and things like that. We had to do this

:12:40. > :12:41.stuff at a young age. We didn't know nothing.

:12:42. > :12:45.Actually, we didn't know no better. So we wised up, not only living

:12:46. > :12:48.in poverty and growing up in it, we became young juvenile

:12:49. > :12:56.delinquents, drug abuse delinquents. There are still no-go

:12:57. > :12:57.areas, but electorally The black American vote

:12:58. > :13:03.galvanised behind Clinton. It's very important.

:13:04. > :13:07.Trump is a racist. I think she will probably

:13:08. > :13:09.make a difference. We've had the men,

:13:10. > :13:12.it's time for a woman now. In recent times turnout in this

:13:13. > :13:14.city has been abysmal. Last year, its citizens

:13:15. > :13:16.were offered the chance to win Now though, it is not the apathetics

:13:17. > :13:28.you meet, but the angry. Those once hungry for

:13:29. > :13:31.politics who know haven't I just really oppose both

:13:32. > :13:35.of the main candidates. They put me to work at Gino's,

:13:36. > :13:40.the cheese steak institution that has become a rite

:13:41. > :13:42.of passage for politicians. Bill Clinton campaigned

:13:43. > :13:44.at that point. One of their - or should I say

:13:45. > :13:53.my - customers, feels let down by the whole lot.

:13:54. > :13:55.Will you be voting in November? No.

:13:56. > :13:57.Nobody's vote counts. That's why 70% of eligible

:13:58. > :13:59.voters don't vote. I mean, it doesn't make any

:14:00. > :14:02.difference who you get. The people pulling the puppet

:14:03. > :14:08.strings are the same group. So it's crazy to think that -

:14:09. > :14:12.if they say they're going to do something,

:14:13. > :14:14.they won't, if they say they're not going to do

:14:15. > :14:16.something, they will. It doesn't matter if

:14:17. > :14:18.it's a Republican or Joseph, who formerly backed

:14:19. > :14:21.Bernie, now favours the Libertarian candidate,

:14:22. > :14:25.Gary Johnson, an independent. He wants to be president

:14:26. > :14:28.because he wants to live in a country where an interracial,

:14:29. > :14:31.newly married gay couple can fly the Confederate flag out front

:14:32. > :14:33.and grow marijuana in the back without the government stepping

:14:34. > :14:36.in to tell them what to do. But to do that this time

:14:37. > :14:38.round, he says, would be viewed as treachery.

:14:39. > :14:41.And that's is the big unknown. Will the popularity of each main

:14:42. > :14:44.candidate make people stay at home? There are people who have been

:14:45. > :14:47.totally put off because of the last 18 months and the

:14:48. > :14:50.discourse we have seen. While no, we've had actually

:14:51. > :14:52.a very good turnout. And I think it bodes well for a good

:14:53. > :14:57.turnout at the election because people know

:14:58. > :14:59.the stake is high. In other words, perhaps fear

:15:00. > :15:01.of the other outweighs frustration. can be as powerful a force

:15:02. > :15:08.as voting for. Bitter political fights aren't

:15:09. > :15:10.confined to the other But here the vicious

:15:11. > :15:15.battle is between two men on the same side,

:15:16. > :15:17.and here, the gap in support for Corbyn and Smith appears to be

:15:18. > :15:20.widening not narrowing. This week Owen Smith promised a cold

:15:21. > :15:23.eyed practical socialist revolution, words that could have come out

:15:24. > :15:27.of the mouth of Jeremy Corybn, and by the tally of CLPs it looks

:15:28. > :15:30.like if anyone is going to deliver Lewis Goodall has been in York this

:15:31. > :15:35.evening to watch a Corbyn rally, and to look at the increasing

:15:36. > :15:37.divide between Labour parties in the north -

:15:38. > :15:50.and those in the capital. Up and down the country Jeremy

:15:51. > :15:55.Corbyn's foot soldiers are busy fighting their second leadership

:15:56. > :16:01.battle in under a year. For them, their leader has lost none of its

:16:02. > :16:06.lustre. He feels -- makes me feel quite proud. I feel like he cares

:16:07. > :16:12.about everyone. He has policies I agree with, including an end to

:16:13. > :16:15.Trident, an end to austerity and increasing investment in our

:16:16. > :16:20.infrastructure. A lot of people are suffering and Jeremy knows what is

:16:21. > :16:23.best for people like me. I am confident that Jeremy Corbyn Time

:16:24. > :16:26.now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. Out as leader

:16:27. > :16:33.of Labour as well as the next Prime Minister. Support for Jeremy Corbyn

:16:34. > :16:37.in York appears undiminished. They are expecting about a thousand

:16:38. > :16:42.people here tonight. It's hard to imagine another politician of that

:16:43. > :16:45.could be set. For example, Owen Smith managed to attract 200 to one

:16:46. > :16:52.of his rallies last night. Many local Labour Party 's remains solid

:16:53. > :16:58.behind their leader. This area near Leeds nominated Jeremy Corbyn last

:16:59. > :17:04.year. They are not tempted by Owen Smith. Why should I be? Jeremy's

:17:05. > :17:10.conviction has not changed in 12 months. I voted for Jeremy 12 months

:17:11. > :17:12.ago and I will do so again. There are a lot of members who may not

:17:13. > :17:15.have supported him at the last meeting but on the principle of

:17:16. > :17:22.democracy within the party will be supporting him now. Entirely because

:17:23. > :17:32.there is this feeling that democracy has been undermined. Very few people

:17:33. > :17:34.attacking Jeremy now because of his politics are finding inventive ways

:17:35. > :17:40.to attack him because of his personality, his demeanour, his

:17:41. > :17:46.character. My view simply is that he is an honest, authentic politician,

:17:47. > :17:52.who has always held his views, expressed them honestly and

:17:53. > :17:54.continues to do so. Joining the European referendum there was a

:17:55. > :17:59.disconnect between the party based in London and the party in places

:18:00. > :18:09.like Yorkshire. I've got many friends down there who are quite

:18:10. > :18:13.anti-corporate. -- against Corbyn. They can't understand why people

:18:14. > :18:17.like me are still backing him. Similarly I have got friends across

:18:18. > :18:22.Yorkshire and can't understand why comrades in London are against him.

:18:23. > :18:26.That sense of geographic divide between North and South is reflected

:18:27. > :18:32.by the numbers. We have now had nominations for a leader from 63

:18:33. > :18:38.local constituency parties. The clear majority, 51, have plumped for

:18:39. > :18:44.Jeremy Corbyn, including Pudsey and Chesterfield. Yet of those which

:18:45. > :18:48.have opted for Owen Smith, two thirds are in London, which is not

:18:49. > :18:52.surprising when you consider that polling shows that among Labour

:18:53. > :18:56.Party members support for Jeremy Corbyn is weaker in London than

:18:57. > :19:00.anywhere else. That is potentially hugely significant because around

:19:01. > :19:04.half of all Labour members are in London and the South of England. If

:19:05. > :19:09.Owen Smith can take advantage of that, and many of those 185,000 new

:19:10. > :19:15.Labour members in the last couple of weeks are also in London, there am

:19:16. > :19:18.-- then maybe, just maybe he has a chance in this contest. Richmond

:19:19. > :19:22.Park Labour Party in south-west London nominated Jeremy Corbyn in

:19:23. > :19:29.2015. This time they are backing Smith. I think a lot of it was down

:19:30. > :19:34.to Jeremy's position on the European Referendum Bill stop I think a lot

:19:35. > :19:37.of people in Richmond, a lot of them are in professional services, they

:19:38. > :19:42.could see the benefits of staying in the European Union. If you think

:19:43. > :19:45.about a lot of the reasons people voted to leave comment terms of

:19:46. > :19:48.immigration, a lot of people in London have had a better experience

:19:49. > :19:54.of immigration and have not been adversely affected. There was a

:19:55. > :19:58.strong Remain camp in Richmond and many people felt that Jeremy had not

:19:59. > :20:02.been as positive in the campaign as he could have been, particularly at

:20:03. > :20:08.the start. And at some of the campaign launches. People are

:20:09. > :20:11.frustrated about how quiet he had been in the beginning and eventually

:20:12. > :20:16.when he came out in support of it, he sounded apathetic. He was not

:20:17. > :20:23.making ace Gronk, loud coherent case. People said that while they

:20:24. > :20:26.voted a lot of his views, they didn't feel that he was a person

:20:27. > :20:36.could lead the party to victory in the general election. He is excited.

:20:37. > :20:42.It's an irony that a politician synonymous with metropolitan London

:20:43. > :20:46.should be weakest in his own city and strongest in the industrial

:20:47. > :20:49.north. When the votes are counted, the chances are even a London

:20:50. > :20:53.rebellion will not be enough to stop a second Jeremy Corbyn tight. --

:20:54. > :20:54.tide. I'm joined now by two

:20:55. > :20:56.seasoned Labour-watchers - Ellie Mae O'Hagan, a columnist

:20:57. > :21:09.with the Guardian, and Conor Pope Ellie Mae, you want a left leader.

:21:10. > :21:12.What Owen Smith is offering is practical, cold-blooded socialism.

:21:13. > :21:15.He can command more of the Westminster MPs and form an

:21:16. > :21:23.effective opposition. Why do you not back him? I think the problem with

:21:24. > :21:30.Owen Smith is that he has run on a platform of competence. He said that

:21:31. > :21:34.he is going to run on a platform as competence on the same principles as

:21:35. > :21:38.Jeremy Corbyn. That is very difficult for Corbyn supporters to

:21:39. > :21:41.believe in. They feel is campaign has been lacklustre. I don't feel he

:21:42. > :21:49.understands the constituency of people he is trying to appeal to.

:21:50. > :21:54.Also, the circumstances in which is leadership is taking place. It is

:21:55. > :21:56.perceived as hostile and anti-democratic, and driven by a

:21:57. > :22:01.wing of the party that has been hostile to Jeremy Corbyn from the

:22:02. > :22:05.outset. In those circumstances it is very hard for anybody who belongs to

:22:06. > :22:09.the Labour left, who wants a left-wing leader, to back anybody

:22:10. > :22:14.like Owen Smith, despite the fact is policy platform is quite impressive.

:22:15. > :22:22.I would have voted for it a few years ago. Isn't it interesting that

:22:23. > :22:27.the CLP membership coalescing around Jeremy Corbyn, and yet the opinion

:22:28. > :22:32.polls say only 13% believe that Jeremy Corbyn is effective at

:22:33. > :22:37.tackling the government. So Owen Smith has failed to build on that?

:22:38. > :22:42.The Labour Party is not in a hugely different place to where it was a

:22:43. > :22:46.year ago. What a lot of Labour Party members did then was they voted for

:22:47. > :22:50.Jeremy Corbyn because they felt he was offering something different.

:22:51. > :22:54.All of the other candidates said, we are more likely to win an election.

:22:55. > :22:58.They looked at them and thought, none of you will win an election.

:22:59. > :23:08.When you look at the polls now, Labour is so far behind. Is about

:23:09. > :23:11.redefining labour though? A huge priority of the Corbyn platform is

:23:12. > :23:18.redefining the Labour Party. Who they stand for and who they

:23:19. > :23:21.represent. It is about the heart of the Labour Party now. It is not

:23:22. > :23:25.about winning an election. It is about redefining who you are. It is

:23:26. > :23:30.about all these people who have joined the party. That is what they

:23:31. > :23:34.want. Is that what the voters want? It is very good to sit on national

:23:35. > :23:42.TV and to say I have spoken to hundreds of Corbyn supporters and

:23:43. > :23:46.actually, this idea that Corbyn supporters are not pragmatic, that

:23:47. > :23:50.they are away with the fairies and just want to embrace these pure

:23:51. > :23:54.left-wing ideals, is not true. They look at the lay of the land. They

:23:55. > :24:00.think, we probably won't win with Owen Smith, we didn't win with Ed

:24:01. > :24:02.Miliband. The other three candidates in the leadership election didn't

:24:03. > :24:06.look like they could win an election. We have been failed by the

:24:07. > :24:10.Labour Party. We have been pushed out of the Labour Party for 30

:24:11. > :24:13.years. This is our chance to actually have a debate about how we

:24:14. > :24:19.reform Society within the party that we are a part of. That is what is

:24:20. > :24:22.driving them. I definitely have not met any Labour supporters who are

:24:23. > :24:27.not worried about a split and not worried about the election. They

:24:28. > :24:33.are. But they are being driven by Ola Mulders at the moment. It is not

:24:34. > :24:38.about a lack of pragmatism. -- other motives. The split between Labour in

:24:39. > :24:43.London, where this new phalanx of 185,000 members are coming in, this

:24:44. > :24:48.would seem to be the natural heartland, and yet he is not taking

:24:49. > :24:54.that? This stuff about the EU referendum is absolutely right. If

:24:55. > :24:57.you look where Remain were strong, it was in London. A lot of Labour

:24:58. > :25:01.Party members might feel aggrieved that the party did not do more in

:25:02. > :25:09.terms of trying to win that referendum. There is a bigger

:25:10. > :25:13.problem. If you look at the traditional working class heartlands

:25:14. > :25:21.that have been his party's base for 100 years, and they voted out, 95%

:25:22. > :25:25.of MPs were voting Remain. Not only is there a disconnect between the

:25:26. > :25:31.MPs and the CLPs, there is a disconnect between the MPs and the

:25:32. > :25:35.voters? Absolutely. There is no appetite for a split within the

:25:36. > :25:40.Labour Party. You could have a centre-left party, which are being

:25:41. > :25:46.wiped out across Europe, and a hard left party led by Jeremy Corbyn,

:25:47. > :25:53.neither of which address the problems. In the daily Telegraph

:25:54. > :26:02.tomorrow morning, Senior Labour revels, so convinced Jeremy Corbyn

:26:03. > :26:08.will win, they are going to launch a legal bid for the name of the Labour

:26:09. > :26:11.Party. I think it is a possibility. Rumours fly around Westminster all

:26:12. > :26:16.the time. We will take it with a pinch of salt. If the Labour rebels

:26:17. > :26:20.decided to do that, that would be an absurdity. It would confine the

:26:21. > :26:25.Labour Party to electoral oblivion for a very long time. What is

:26:26. > :26:28.interesting to me is, when Labour rebels talk about why they are

:26:29. > :26:33.launching an attack that Jeremy Corbyn, they say it is because we

:26:34. > :26:37.want to win an election. If that is true, they will do something that

:26:38. > :26:41.will destroy the party for decades. I don't think there will be a split.

:26:42. > :26:46.There has been talk about having an alternative leader in parliament for

:26:47. > :26:51.a while. There is no written constitution. This is unprecedented.

:26:52. > :26:55.It looks like John Bercow is good -- not going to look particularly

:26:56. > :26:57.kindly upon it and say, sort out your own party. Thank you.

:26:58. > :26:59.The kale was put among the courgettes today

:27:00. > :27:02.when the gardener, Monty Don, wrote in that most august of journals,

:27:03. > :27:04.BBC Gardeners World Magazine, that self sufficiency

:27:05. > :27:06.consigns you to a life of dreary repetition,

:27:07. > :27:08.terrible food and, at worst your teeth fall out,

:27:09. > :27:10.your breath stinks and you erupt in boils.

:27:11. > :27:12.And to make matters worse, he poured manure all over the '70sTV

:27:13. > :27:16.sitcom, The Good Life, opening that he found Tom

:27:17. > :27:20.Maybe everything in the garden isn't lovely, after all.

:27:21. > :27:23.Talking of which, here's Stephen Smith.

:27:24. > :27:25.You can use nettles for hundreds of things.

:27:26. > :27:29.The Good Life was one of the most popular and best

:27:30. > :27:36.Let's just pause there a minute and imagine what that

:27:37. > :27:40.It was the story of suburbanites, who went

:27:41. > :28:00.I would find yourself some dock leaves.

:28:01. > :28:02.Today, TV's Mister Gardening, and a great

:28:03. > :28:07.personal friend of this programme, dropped a metaphorical Agent Orange

:28:08. > :28:13.overrode the hard won crops of Tom and Barbara Good.

:28:14. > :28:21.If the sound of Monty Don's voice has woken you up, I'm

:28:22. > :28:23.sorry, it's not Gardner's World, it's Newsnight.

:28:24. > :28:25.But we are talking about the great Don and his

:28:26. > :28:28.explosive remarks today about self-sufficiency.

:28:29. > :28:31.I might have referred to halitosis, boils and

:28:32. > :28:42.There have actually been serious attempts at this.

:28:43. > :28:46.What they found was they desperately missed all kinds of things like

:28:47. > :28:55.If they went for 80% self-sufficiency, that was enough.

:28:56. > :29:11.# We stopped beside a little flower storm.#

:29:12. > :29:12.Just here we've got Portuguese cabbage.

:29:13. > :29:16.Behind, we've got onion, carrots, beans.

:29:17. > :29:19.On that side will have tomatoes, squashes, pumpkin,

:29:20. > :29:22.lovely asparagus, that look like a forest right now.

:29:23. > :29:28.We took a trug and a kneeler to these allotment gardens

:29:29. > :29:38.We had cows, we had pigs, we had chickens.

:29:39. > :29:48.When I think of it, we bought very, very little.

:29:49. > :29:51.Maybe self-sufficiency would work in France,

:29:52. > :29:55.where you're from because people would do a ten, 15 hour week,

:29:56. > :30:03.Mind you, we are much happier than you, so...

:30:04. > :30:05.You can grow a lot but probably not enough.

:30:06. > :30:07.The good news is that nowadays you don't need to be

:30:08. > :30:12.Gardening has moved from survival gardening to

:30:13. > :30:16.pleasure gardening, learning gardening and a community gardening.

:30:17. > :30:18.In the past, when people did live in this way,

:30:19. > :30:24.It would depend on where they lived and what they were

:30:25. > :30:26.farming themselves and what they could grow themselves

:30:27. > :30:32.Don't forget to ask Margo to talk to the

:30:33. > :30:35.chickens while she is feeding them because they do like it.

:30:36. > :30:40.I can't vouch for the actual content of the conversation.

:30:41. > :30:44.Well, the truth was, I didn't enjoy watching it.

:30:45. > :30:48.I don't understand why people make such a thing about it.

:30:49. > :30:52.I found the lead characters, attempting self-sufficiency,

:30:53. > :31:01.So, that's the thumbs down from Monty to all

:31:02. > :31:06.Sorry you had to crank up the generator and

:31:07. > :31:13.burn a load of pig slurry to hear it from us.

:31:14. > :31:22.Fresh from a European tour and with a new album,

:31:23. > :31:24.John Lydon discusses his life and legacy with Lynn Barber.

:31:25. > :31:27.Has 40 years of life on the road changed him?

:31:28. > :31:33.Unsurprisngly you can expect strong language from the start.

:31:34. > :31:37.MUSIC: Pretty Vacant by The Sex Pistols

:31:38. > :31:41.and I must have interviewed hundreds of people by now.