:00:00. > :00:10.The Inquiry into child sexual abuse gets its fourth head in two years.
:00:11. > :00:13.Alexis Jay will spend up to ten years on the investigation.
:00:14. > :00:23.Is she, finally, the right person for this huge job?
:00:24. > :00:29.Can the enquiry satisfy those campaigning for justice?
:00:30. > :00:33.One of the three schoolgirls from Bethnal Green who fled to join
:00:34. > :00:42.She had expressed a desire to come back. The problem with that was, the
:00:43. > :00:45.risk factors around leaving were quite terminal also.
:00:46. > :00:48.She takes me to the cutting field, where there are notches on the tree
:00:49. > :00:53.She was a fearless reporter, and our colleague, who travelled
:00:54. > :00:56.to the most dangerous parts of the world to report on the plight
:00:57. > :00:59.of women shunned, abused, tortured and killed for their gender.
:01:00. > :01:02.She left behind a book in which she pays tributes
:01:03. > :01:14.Her daughter is hear to tell her story.
:01:15. > :01:21.That is the verdict of the shadow minister for preventing abuse,
:01:22. > :01:24.on the new, fourth, head of the Independent Inquiry
:01:25. > :01:28.into Child Sexual Abuse, Alexis Jay.
:01:29. > :01:30.Professor Jay, a child protection expert who led the Inquiry
:01:31. > :01:33.into child sexual exploitation in Rotherham, promised
:01:34. > :01:37.she would handle her work with "pace, confidence and clarity."
:01:38. > :01:40.The Home Secretary Amber Rudd said that the government's commitment
:01:41. > :01:47.So is she the right person for the job and, if so, what will be
:01:48. > :01:57.Three times a high-profile lawyer has been appointed to lead
:01:58. > :02:01.Three times they have ended up resigning,
:02:02. > :02:09.Today the replacement was unveiled - not a lawyer.
:02:10. > :02:12.Professor Alexis Jay was already a member of the inquiry panel,
:02:13. > :02:17.With a background in social work, she is best known as the author
:02:18. > :02:20.of an inquiry into Rotherham's failure to deal with local abuse.
:02:21. > :02:23.There were examples of children being doused
:02:24. > :02:27.with petrol and threatened with being set alight.
:02:28. > :02:30.They were threatened with guns, made to witness brutally violent
:02:31. > :02:35.rapes and threatened they would be the next if they told anyone.
:02:36. > :02:38.That damning report led to major changes for the town.
:02:39. > :02:41.Resignations and change followed, but there are still some concerns
:02:42. > :02:48.The first two chairs of the inquiry had to stand down
:02:49. > :02:49.because, being members of the establishment,
:02:50. > :02:55.they happened to know some central government decision-makers
:02:56. > :02:57.whose work it was likely they would end up scrutinising.
:02:58. > :03:00.Alexis Jay's appointment has been broadly welcomed, but there
:03:01. > :03:02.are similar concerns about her background in social work
:03:03. > :03:09.She's a social worker, when one of the key aspects of this
:03:10. > :03:12.enquiry is looking at the abject failure of the social work
:03:13. > :03:17.profession, and the amount of paedophiles who were social
:03:18. > :03:20.workers - every week there is one arrested, or it's a teacher.
:03:21. > :03:23.These are not the people you would go to to lead the enquiry.
:03:24. > :03:31.The first is that Professor Jay isn't even a lawyer,
:03:32. > :03:34.and this sort of inquiry would usually be chaired by a judge.
:03:35. > :03:36.The second is that perhaps no one could manage this inquiry.
:03:37. > :03:41.There are 13 separate investigations that have formed part of it.
:03:42. > :03:44.Perhaps, some people suggest, we should aim for a smaller,
:03:45. > :03:53.Take Lambeth, the subject of one of the 13 enquiry strands.
:03:54. > :03:55.They've received 5000 documents from an old inquiry,
:03:56. > :04:00.a further 100,000 items will need to be sifted,
:04:01. > :04:03.and there are another 26,000 archive boxes to deal with.
:04:04. > :04:06.I think Alexis Jay could be a very good chair.
:04:07. > :04:09.She would need support on the legal side and if she gets that I think
:04:10. > :04:13.In terms of the remit of the inquiry, and is this
:04:14. > :04:16.If you interpret the terms of reference literally,
:04:17. > :04:19.then yes it is, but I think the inquiry will adopt a much
:04:20. > :04:21.narrower and focused approach and look at institutions,
:04:22. > :04:24.they will look at the most serious examples of failure,
:04:25. > :04:26.and they will draw from that the evidence they need
:04:27. > :04:31.While Professor Jay has wide support, the survivor representative
:04:32. > :04:36.Some core participants in the inquiry are angry
:04:37. > :04:38.that they were not consulted about her appointment.
:04:39. > :04:41.This is vitally critical to our lives and healing process,
:04:42. > :04:43.but we were treated as we were children,
:04:44. > :04:55.And that affects our faith and our confidence in an inquiry.
:04:56. > :04:59.Professor Jay has a much harder task than she did in Rotherham.
:05:00. > :05:02.She needs to keep survivors contributing to this inquiry,
:05:03. > :05:06.but it's two years old, it's on its fourth chair,
:05:07. > :05:12.and it's still years from drawing any conclusions.
:05:13. > :05:15.Well, here in the studio are Gabrielle Shaw from
:05:16. > :05:19.the National Association for People Abused in
:05:20. > :05:21.Childhood and the barrister Anthony Heaton-Armstrong,
:05:22. > :05:24.who is an expert on evidence in sexual cases and has personal
:05:25. > :05:30.But first let's talk to Esther Baker, who has made
:05:31. > :05:32.allegations of being abused as a child and has previously been
:05:33. > :05:46.Good evening to all of you. First of all, Esther Baker, what do you make
:05:47. > :05:51.of the appointment? I think this is a good appointment. I think it's the
:05:52. > :05:57.first time the enquiry has managed to get a good chair. What is it
:05:58. > :06:04.about her that gives you faith? I've got faith that Alexis Jay has proven
:06:05. > :06:09.herself in the past with the Rotherham enquiry. I think she's got
:06:10. > :06:13.a good concept of listening to survivors, which none of the former
:06:14. > :06:17.chairs have had experience in. What do you make of the fact she doesn't
:06:18. > :06:24.have a legal background? She isn't a lawyer. She's not a lawyer, but I
:06:25. > :06:29.think in this case it's a good thing. She has a good legal team
:06:30. > :06:32.around her. I think not being a lawyer will make her more
:06:33. > :06:40.approachable for survivors. You heard in the film that there are
:06:41. > :06:43.also concerns about social workers being involved. Social workers do
:06:44. > :06:50.not have the cleanest of hands always. No, I think he's right in
:06:51. > :06:53.one respect that social workers haven't got the best reputation at
:06:54. > :06:59.the moment within the enquiry, however I think that we will never
:07:00. > :07:04.find somebody who is completely not associated with abuse or any of the
:07:05. > :07:11.strands in any way. It's physically not possible. Before we finish, can
:07:12. > :07:16.we talk about the time frame. In the terms of reference of the enquiry,
:07:17. > :07:20.there is an interim report promised by 2018, two and a half years, but
:07:21. > :07:25.it looks as if Alexis Jay will have to work for ten years. What do you
:07:26. > :07:29.think about the timescale for the enquiry? The timescale worries a lot
:07:30. > :07:33.of people, but I think if we are to do the right job and get justice and
:07:34. > :07:37.correct recommendations for survivors in the future, then it
:07:38. > :07:42.will take time. It's not something that can be rushed. A rushed job
:07:43. > :07:50.will not please anybody. Thank you for joining us. Anthony, a barrister
:07:51. > :07:56.with decades of experience and your own experience, do you think this is
:07:57. > :08:00.a good appointment? I don't know the new chairman very well. I've read a
:08:01. > :08:06.little bit about her, but I doubt she is the right person for this
:08:07. > :08:10.massive job. Why? I don't believe she has the experience that is
:08:11. > :08:17.needed for somebody to manage such a huge operation. And I agree with
:08:18. > :08:21.those who consider that a lawyer with the right sort of experience
:08:22. > :08:25.would be the correct appointment. Except they're rather very few
:08:26. > :08:29.people who have dealt with an enquiry on this scale in the United
:08:30. > :08:35.Kingdom and abroad as we know. Maybe that's not the key criteria. No, I
:08:36. > :08:40.don't suggest that the person that ought to have been appointed needs
:08:41. > :08:45.similar experience, in other words, managing such a massive operation,
:08:46. > :08:51.but they need to have experience of operating a public enquiry. What do
:08:52. > :08:56.you think, Gabrielle? Do you have the same concerns? No, not
:08:57. > :09:02.particularly. I would like to pick up on something we heard from Ms
:09:03. > :09:06.Baker, a survivor herself. It's about confidence. Adult survivors of
:09:07. > :09:11.sexual abuse as children, for them to come forward and give evidence,
:09:12. > :09:14.which the enquiry wants them to do with the truth projects and hearings
:09:15. > :09:19.etc, they want to have confidence in the chair and somebody who
:09:20. > :09:23.understands what's happening. Alexis Jay has proven herself through
:09:24. > :09:29.Rotherham. You talk about the truth project which is just one of 13
:09:30. > :09:33.strands. It's there in front of us, the terms of reference, there will
:09:34. > :09:38.be an interim report in less than three years at the end of 2018. If
:09:39. > :09:45.this is about being thorough and, as Crick Chris Cook says, the documents
:09:46. > :09:50.from Lambeth itself, how good you have an interim report of any merit
:09:51. > :09:54.in less than three years? A great point, and public confidence in the
:09:55. > :09:58.enquiry has been knocked by the resignations of the three previous
:09:59. > :10:03.chairs. Communication needs to improve. There needs to be more
:10:04. > :10:07.regular output. That's what a lot of people and survivors would urge,
:10:08. > :10:12.regular output and regular reports. We do talk about progress reports to
:10:13. > :10:15.be fair. We can't wait two and a half years or five years for a
:10:16. > :10:19.magical report that will suddenly solve everything. We need to rebuild
:10:20. > :10:24.that confidence. Anthony, what do you think about the terms of the
:10:25. > :10:30.enquiry, is it too broad and should it be honed down? I think it's much
:10:31. > :10:34.too broad. I think the ambitions set for it are totally unrealistic. What
:10:35. > :10:39.has to be thought about is what the enquiry can achieve for the future,
:10:40. > :10:44.and for the future protection of potential victims of sexual abuse.
:10:45. > :10:48.Not what has happened in the past. The enquiry needs to look at
:10:49. > :10:53.procedures that have already been set in place by a number of the
:10:54. > :10:58.institutions whose activities or in activities are under the spotlight.
:10:59. > :11:02.Given it could be another ten years before we get a final report, going
:11:03. > :11:07.historically back through every institutions' track record would not
:11:08. > :11:12.even be productive, it would end up being frustrating for people. I
:11:13. > :11:16.think the focus should be on the progress that has been made by the
:11:17. > :11:19.institutions whose activities or in activities are under the spotlight.
:11:20. > :11:23.Is that the more realistic thing or does it mean things will be brushed
:11:24. > :11:27.under the carpet? I slightly disagree with that. Surely the best
:11:28. > :11:34.way, if you fail to learn the lessons of the past you are doomed
:11:35. > :11:38.to repeat them. This scale is massive, but so is the scale of the
:11:39. > :11:43.problem. Children are being abused and failed by the state on an
:11:44. > :11:46.industrial scale in the past. It's not pleasant, nobody wants to think
:11:47. > :11:51.that they live in a society where this happens to children and they
:11:52. > :11:57.failed time and time again. But they have been, and on a huge scale. So
:11:58. > :12:03.the enquiry must be commenced at to encompass that. Of scale, it makes
:12:04. > :12:07.more sense to have one enquiry, massive as it is, to oversee these
:12:08. > :12:10.13 different strands of work. The lessons, the failings that have
:12:11. > :12:14.happened, are likely to be similar and there are likely to be themes
:12:15. > :12:19.that come through that. If you break it down to 13 different enquiries,
:12:20. > :12:25.is not good or wise. Have it under one roof, one enquiry. That would
:12:26. > :12:30.suggest you could actually report on the 13th one by one, it doesn't have
:12:31. > :12:35.to come out in a Big Bang. What Gabrielle seems to be saying is that
:12:36. > :12:41.there is a massive problem historically. If everyone is agreed
:12:42. > :12:45.that there is, the focus should be on the cure, and making sure that
:12:46. > :12:49.procedures are put in place, if they haven't already been, that will
:12:50. > :12:52.prevent the same thing happening again. What is the point in
:12:53. > :12:57.investigating things that everybody seems to accept have happened in the
:12:58. > :13:03.past? Before I finish, we are on the fourth head in two years. When Judge
:13:04. > :13:07.Goddard was brought over from New Zealand, that was going to be it,
:13:08. > :13:14.this was the best person to conduct and complete this enquiry, and look
:13:15. > :13:19.what's happened. Are we sure that Alexis Jay will actually work on
:13:20. > :13:24.this for another decade? I think so. She has the past, the history to
:13:25. > :13:30.prove that she can take on an enquiry of this nature. I think she
:13:31. > :13:34.has the will as well. We heard some reporting a past saying it's a
:13:35. > :13:39.poisoned chalice. I don't think it is. I think it's a great opportunity
:13:40. > :13:42.for right to come to survivors in the past. If this one doesn't work
:13:43. > :13:48.though, they presumably can't keep doing it. This has to be it? This
:13:49. > :13:55.has to be it, as in it it has to be the last attempt? I think the
:13:56. > :13:58.enquiry, within the scope set for it is totally unmanageable, and I think
:13:59. > :14:05.it will hit the rocks again, frankly. I can't see anything coming
:14:06. > :14:08.out of it with its present scope being anything particularly useful
:14:09. > :14:10.for the protection of future potential victims. You are
:14:11. > :14:16.optimistic? I have to be. One of the three schoolgirls
:14:17. > :14:19.from Bethnal Green Academy who ran away to join IS in Raqqa in February
:14:20. > :14:22.last year has been killed, Five months after they fled, two
:14:23. > :14:27.of the teenagers told their families by phone and social media
:14:28. > :14:31.that they were now married. Amira Abase and Shamina Begum
:14:32. > :14:32.were 15 and Kadiza Sultana
:14:33. > :14:34.was one year older. Secunder Kermani is here with more
:14:35. > :14:48.details on the death. A lot of people remember this case
:14:49. > :14:52.because it provoked a lot of national soul-searching about the
:14:53. > :14:58.reasons why young British Muslim in were travelling off to Syria to join
:14:59. > :15:03.Isis. Kadiza was 16 when she left her family home in east London in
:15:04. > :15:08.February last year to go off to Syria. You can see her in this
:15:09. > :15:14.image, she is the girl in the middle with the glasses. It was a case that
:15:15. > :15:16.sparked a lot of soul-searching. Their families released very
:15:17. > :15:22.emotional pleas for them to return home when they first disappeared.
:15:23. > :15:26.Images of CCTV were released of the three girls at Gatwick Airport as
:15:27. > :15:30.they were flying out to Turkey. More images were released of them in
:15:31. > :15:35.Turkey as they took a bus to the Syrian border. Tonight I TV news
:15:36. > :15:41.have been reporting that Kadiza Sultana has been killed in an air
:15:42. > :15:44.strike in Raqqa. The family lawyer says the family were informed of
:15:45. > :15:46.this a few weeks ago although they have not been able to independently
:15:47. > :15:49.confirm it for themselves. My understanding is that the family
:15:50. > :15:53.received a call from someone in Syria explaining that Kadiza had
:15:54. > :15:56.been killed in an air strike, and it was thought to be
:15:57. > :15:59.a Russian air strike. There's nothing worse than finding
:16:00. > :16:06.out your sibling or your family By all accounts she was a young girl
:16:07. > :16:13.with a very promising future, and it's a great loss
:16:14. > :16:17.to us all, really. Every effort was made from the very
:16:18. > :16:21.beginning to try to avoid this fateful news,
:16:22. > :16:23.and despite all efforts, it's unfortunate we find ourselves
:16:24. > :16:38.with the loss of a young life, There are reports that Kadiza was
:16:39. > :16:41.trying to escape from IS? That's right, I understand that after the
:16:42. > :16:46.man she married was killed she became disillusioned with life with
:16:47. > :16:50.Isis and she began to develop with her family in Britain very secretive
:16:51. > :16:54.and potentially dangerous plans to be able to return to the UK. In the
:16:55. > :16:57.end it seems she was never able to do that.
:16:58. > :16:58.She had expressed a desire to come back.
:16:59. > :17:02.The problem with that was that the risk factors around leaving
:17:03. > :17:07.are quite terminal also, in that if Isis were to detect
:17:08. > :17:09.and capture you then their punishment was quite brutal
:17:10. > :17:16.And the week where she was thinking about these issues, a young Austrian
:17:17. > :17:19.girl had been caught trying to leave Isis territory and was,
:17:20. > :17:25.by all reports, beaten to death publicly.
:17:26. > :17:28.So given that that was circulated in the region as well as outside,
:17:29. > :17:31.I think Kadiza took that as a bad omen and decided not to take
:17:32. > :17:42.Well, I think she found out pretty quickly that the propaganda doesn't
:17:43. > :17:50.She had made some enquiries and some plans of her own volition,
:17:51. > :18:03.When these three schoolgirls left for Syria last February that was
:18:04. > :18:07.almost, if you like, part of the peak of this problem of young people
:18:08. > :18:11.travelling out to Syria. The scale of the numbers now travelling out to
:18:12. > :18:15.Syria has diminished somewhat, although that will not be much
:18:16. > :18:19.consolation for the family of Kadiza Sultana. And what we don't know much
:18:20. > :18:20.about is the fate of the other two girls who travelled out to Syria
:18:21. > :18:23.with her. The desperate plight
:18:24. > :18:25.of the girls from Bethnal Green, was exactly the kind of story that
:18:26. > :18:27.campaigning investigative journalist, our colleague,
:18:28. > :18:29.Sue Lloyd Roberts who died last She travelled the world,
:18:30. > :18:33.often undercover, reporting on the worst atrocities
:18:34. > :18:37.inflicted on women. When she died after a journalistic
:18:38. > :18:42.career spanning thirty years, she left behind an almost-finished
:18:43. > :18:46.book which told vivid stories of Yazidi Women,
:18:47. > :18:48.women in Saudi Arabia, forced marriage; female genital
:18:49. > :18:51.mutilation in Gambia and Glasgow. But she very determinedly
:18:52. > :18:55.wanted the book not to be about her, but about the tremendous
:18:56. > :18:57.spirit, resilience - and sometimes death-courting
:18:58. > :18:59.defiance of the women After Sue's death her daughter
:19:00. > :19:08.Sarah Morris put the book The War I'll be speaking to her in a moment
:19:09. > :19:13.but first here is a flavour of Sue Lloyd Roberts at work,
:19:14. > :19:27.and some quotes from her book. She takes me to the cutting field
:19:28. > :19:38.where there are notches on the tree for every girl cut. " We cut them
:19:39. > :19:43.one after another. The cut girl is taken away and they bring another
:19:44. > :19:48.until we finish them all. Why is it, I ask myself, that women who make up
:19:49. > :19:52.51% of the world's population, are still campaigning for fair and
:19:53. > :19:55.humane treatment in the 21st-century, as if we were just
:19:56. > :20:00.another of the world's persecuted minorities.
:20:01. > :20:08.The discovery in June that some 800 babies had died at a former mother
:20:09. > :20:11.and baby home run by nuns in Ireland and that their bodies had been put
:20:12. > :20:20.in an unmarked and horribly inappropriate graves shocked the
:20:21. > :20:24.world. It's a sewage tank. Why are their children buried in a sewage
:20:25. > :20:28.area? When I look back on 30 years of human rights reporting, the
:20:29. > :20:33.majority of my attempts to draw attention to injustice and suffering
:20:34. > :20:34.from Texas to two G to stamp via Ireland and Pakistan have involved
:20:35. > :20:48.women. And your sister had with her a
:20:49. > :20:59.ten-year-old friend? Are women doomed to be just another
:21:00. > :21:05.hopeless cause? And if so, why? Well with me now is Sue's
:21:06. > :21:07.daughter Sarah Morris, who finished the book
:21:08. > :21:16.that her mother started. Good evening. I mean, you were very
:21:17. > :21:24.close to sue. I wonder if you learn something about her finishing,
:21:25. > :21:27.policy polishing this book? I did, I think what I really learned was how
:21:28. > :21:33.angry she was. She was really quite a joyful person in many ways. But in
:21:34. > :21:37.the book it comes to that she was quite a cross person. And I think
:21:38. > :21:41.her reports on the BBC were obviously constructed by editorial
:21:42. > :21:45.balance and being impartial, but in the book she is really able to let
:21:46. > :21:52.loose. The thing she was really angry about is how all over the
:21:53. > :21:55.world, whether it was FGM or honour killings, she was told that these
:21:56. > :21:59.things happen in the name of tradition, and in her eyes it was so
:22:00. > :22:04.clear that it was abuse. And she just wanted to scream when she would
:22:05. > :22:09.interview the father of an honour killing victim who would say, this
:22:10. > :22:16.is just what we do, here. And in her head she wanted to scream. Because
:22:17. > :22:20.why is such a convenient excuse? But do you think, in the end, she was
:22:21. > :22:24.quite an optimistic person? I thought she was quite an optimistic
:22:25. > :22:28.person. I read this book and I realise there is still so much to
:22:29. > :22:34.do. Still so much to do. I think she was a really good example of a
:22:35. > :22:37.pessimist of the intellect and an optimist of the will. Intellectually
:22:38. > :22:40.she could see that so much was wrong but she had so much faith in
:22:41. > :22:44.humanity that she was optimistic for the future. In this but you can see
:22:45. > :22:53.her faith in women for their resilience. Some of the stories
:22:54. > :22:58.about FGM and the Yazidi women stand out for me, and actually she was
:22:59. > :23:03.fiercely proud of other women. She was. And although it is called The
:23:04. > :23:07.War On Women, and many of the stories are horrifying and
:23:08. > :23:12.devastating, it is also the Brave ones who fight back. This is the
:23:13. > :23:17.voices of these women who are doing incredible things to fight back,
:23:18. > :23:21.like you say, the woman in Gambia who was destined to be a cutter for
:23:22. > :23:26.her village and decided to flee because she thought it was wrong.
:23:27. > :23:30.And now she's here in London. She was absolutely the pre-eminent
:23:31. > :23:37.journalist who actually explored women's stories. I wonder if you
:23:38. > :23:42.think progressively she sought out women's stories. I think she did.
:23:43. > :23:46.And as a female journalist herself, when she first started, there was
:23:47. > :23:51.nobody doing what she was doing. She was really a pioneer. She had no one
:23:52. > :23:55.to look up to. She started at ITN doing things like the Chelsea flower
:23:56. > :23:59.show and following the royals around, which, as a strong
:24:00. > :24:06.Republican, bought her to tears. I think her legacy is showing other
:24:07. > :24:09.women that they can do what she did. But I wonder, because you were
:24:10. > :24:13.young, she was awake doing incredibly madcap things, some of
:24:14. > :24:18.her disguises were downright dangerous and so forth, did you
:24:19. > :24:23.worry about her as much as she must have worried about you guys at home?
:24:24. > :24:26.I think we were just used to it. And actually I must say that she often
:24:27. > :24:31.would lie to me about stories. Later on when I was a bit older and in my
:24:32. > :24:34.20s she would say, oh, I'm going to Africa to do a story about
:24:35. > :24:39.elephants. She wouldn't tell me until she got back what she'd
:24:40. > :24:43.actually been doing. I remember being much more worried about her as
:24:44. > :24:48.an adult than I was as a child. As a child it seemed normal. At we had a
:24:49. > :24:52.rule where she would phone every night, whenever she could get a
:24:53. > :24:56.signal. The rule was we didn't ever discussed the story in case someone
:24:57. > :25:01.was listening in. And all of that was quite exciting as a child. If
:25:02. > :25:06.there was one story that stands out to you as mattering deeply, what
:25:07. > :25:09.would it be? I think it was female genital mutilation. I think she had
:25:10. > :25:15.a bit of a renaissance later in her career and discovered this going on.
:25:16. > :25:19.And I think before she started doing it, people would pitch the idea of
:25:20. > :25:23.FGM to newspapers and they would say, that's disgusting, that's not
:25:24. > :25:27.something we are going to do. She just had a way of doing it that
:25:28. > :25:30.meant it would get noticed and because of her we've had legislation
:25:31. > :25:34.changing Parliament. People didn't really know what it was until she
:25:35. > :25:37.started talking about it. Thank you very much indeed.
:25:38. > :25:39.Rio 2016 now, and no one could fault the dedication
:25:40. > :25:42.of our correspondent Stephen Smith, who has been submitting himself
:25:43. > :25:45.to a gruelling regime of stretching for his snacks as he follows
:25:46. > :25:50.But no Olympic project is worth a candle these
:25:51. > :25:53.And who better than former Blue Peter legend Peter Purves
:25:54. > :26:02.to encourage our man to upcycle his empties?
:26:03. > :26:09.All the members of the British squad have now been chosen.
:26:10. > :26:16.It's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it.
:26:17. > :26:19.And when Rio 2016 flags for an instant what I like to do
:26:20. > :26:22.is look back at how old games were covered.
:26:23. > :26:33.I think Sharon and Joy have done fantastically well.
:26:34. > :26:40.I've kind of settled in for the duration.
:26:41. > :26:43.I'll tell you what, I could make something out of that.
:26:44. > :26:45.How hard will he go, is the question?
:26:46. > :26:48.You know much more about this than me.
:26:49. > :26:56.Wasn't he Prime Minister for a while?
:26:57. > :26:58.I used to ride but one day I was sitting up
:26:59. > :27:00.there and I thought, I don't like this,
:27:01. > :27:07.I don't know if that's been diagnosed officially but you'll
:27:08. > :27:16.probably get a grant and some counselling.
:27:17. > :27:24.Do you think golf, tennis, sports like that, should
:27:25. > :27:26.really be at the Olympics, Peter?
:27:27. > :27:35.I was listening to something on the radio about people applying
:27:36. > :27:38.Somebody was saying they wanted petanque in there.
:27:39. > :27:42.For goodness sake, it's marbles with big balls, it's pointless.
:27:43. > :27:45.Actually my wife's very good at this.
:27:46. > :27:49.So if you hear something in the night, you send
:27:50. > :27:54.Well, that is the iciest water I have ever swum in.
:27:55. > :27:59.Yes, got all my life-saving badges and everything.
:28:00. > :28:03.You were the kind of David Hasselhoff of your day?
:28:04. > :28:11.If you were at a party and people offered you a funny cigarette...
:28:12. > :28:14.Because that was happening in London in those days,
:28:15. > :28:22.If there was no press there I wouldn't have said that.
:28:23. > :28:28.I had friends who partook, if that's the correct phrase.
:28:29. > :28:32.No, I wouldn't have been averse to that, at all.
:28:33. > :28:35.I can't watch this any more, this is distracting me too much.
:28:36. > :28:37.I'm going to make something out of it.
:28:38. > :28:59.Don't be silly, that's a diving board.
:29:00. > :29:10.I don't want to jinx things but I smell BAFTA.
:29:11. > :29:15.Before we go, this week one of the most eagerly-anticipated
:29:16. > :29:18.video games of the decade - No Man's Sky - was released.
:29:19. > :29:21.In the game, you get to explore as many of
:29:22. > :29:22.the eighteen quintillion - yes quintillion -
:29:23. > :29:27.The game's visual palette pays homage to the golden age of sci-fi,
:29:28. > :29:30.so we decided to go one further, with a soundtrack that
:29:31. > :29:57.These are the voyages of the starship enterprise. Its five-year
:29:58. > :30:03.mission, to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new
:30:04. > :30:35.civilisations. To boldly go where no man has gone before.
:30:36. > :30:44.Hello. Somewhat and windy weather across the North in the evening and
:30:45. > :30:45.through to Friday morning. Ahead of the rain it will be lively across