:00:00. > :00:11.For many he was the most annoying man in the country.
:00:12. > :00:13.But he was also one of the most dangerous.
:00:14. > :00:16.But alongside Choudary, another man was convicted.
:00:17. > :00:20.Less flamboyant in the media, arguably more of a threat.
:00:21. > :00:24.We have an interview with him, from earlier this year.
:00:25. > :00:28.This term radicalising, you need to define it.
:00:29. > :00:30.Is Jeremy Corbyn radicalising the Labour Party, for example?
:00:31. > :00:34.By the time this airs, you might be in jail.
:00:35. > :00:42.Yearn for the days of the old British Rail?
:00:43. > :00:45.This is the Night Mail crossing the border, bringing the cheque
:00:46. > :00:48.Letters for the rich, letters for the poor,
:00:49. > :00:50.the shop at the corner and the girl next door.
:00:51. > :00:54.Jeremy Corbyn wants the trains back in public ownership.
:00:55. > :01:07.We'll ask his transport spokesman if that's a good idea.
:01:08. > :01:09.And Ainsley Harriet clambers off our Throne of Games to get
:01:10. > :01:30.For years, he enjoyed needling everyone with his silly
:01:31. > :01:32.pronouncements, that Buckingham Palace will become
:01:33. > :01:37.But Anjem Choudary was not just a harmless controversialist -
:01:38. > :01:40.he spread hate for two decades, attempted to radicalise others
:01:41. > :01:43.and for some of that period invited them to join so-called
:01:44. > :01:46.Islamic State, an organisation proscribed under the
:01:47. > :01:54.He could now be handed a maximum jail sentence of ten years.
:01:55. > :01:56.But, while Choudary is very well known, alongside him was another
:01:57. > :02:00.character, Mizanur Rahman, a character who had also done a lot
:02:01. > :02:11.to attract vulnerable minds to jihad.
:02:12. > :02:13.The police said that Rahman and Choudary had stayed just
:02:14. > :02:16.within the law for many years, but when they pledged an oath
:02:17. > :02:18.of allegiance to IS, they had stepped over a line
:02:19. > :02:32.Talk a bit about Anjem Choudary and when he came from. He was not always
:02:33. > :02:36.part of the Islamist scene, he grew up in London and when he went to
:02:37. > :02:41.university he reportedly drank alcohol and had girlfriends. But
:02:42. > :02:46.after qualifying as a solicitor he helped to found a radical group
:02:47. > :02:50.outward jackaroo which was subsequently banned. It kept
:02:51. > :02:53.changing its name all the time to evade the attention of the
:02:54. > :02:58.authorities. And Anjem Choudary became a source of frustration to
:02:59. > :03:05.the authorities who thought he was dangerous but not quite ever
:03:06. > :03:08.breaking the law. Until now. Because today restrictions in court were
:03:09. > :03:14.lifted allowing us to reveal that three weeks ago he was convicted of
:03:15. > :03:18.having pledged support online to Isis and having encouraged in his
:03:19. > :03:22.videos others to support and join the group. This is a significant
:03:23. > :03:28.moment, the general of Anjem Choudary, he has linked -- been
:03:29. > :03:31.linked to 100 British jihadis. The followers for example of his when
:03:32. > :03:36.fourth in the killing of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich. We know other
:03:37. > :03:42.followers of his way involved in 2010 plot to blow up the London
:03:43. > :03:48.stock exchange. Not as Tierney UK, a large number of people have gone to
:03:49. > :03:53.Syria for example, some quite high profile like one who took his young
:03:54. > :03:59.family to Syria. And another killed in a drone strike in Syria last
:04:00. > :04:06.year. Others whose names have never come into the public domain. Once I
:04:07. > :04:15.logged off, a follower from north London who went out to Syria. And
:04:16. > :04:19.another one of his followers to the right of the screen, and I
:04:20. > :04:26.understand that he is now dead. That is Anjem Choudary, and also was this
:04:27. > :04:30.other guy and most people will not have heard of him I think.
:04:31. > :04:34.Absolutely, there is a clique around Anjem Choudary, some of them have
:04:35. > :04:39.higher profiles. His co-defendant Mizanur Rahman in my view was just
:04:40. > :04:43.as significant and perhaps even more so than Anjem Choudary when it comes
:04:44. > :04:45.to the Syrian conflict. How is the campaign to move Britain
:04:46. > :04:48.over to sharia law coming along? Anjem Choudary attracted
:04:49. > :04:52.headlines but amongst jihadi circles he gradually
:04:53. > :04:53.became less significant. In recent years it was his
:04:54. > :04:57.right-hand man, Mizanur Rahman, Rahman had spent four years in jail
:04:58. > :05:05.already for soliciting murder For Islam to prevail,
:05:06. > :05:17.for sharia to be implemented, to support the state, to help,
:05:18. > :05:26.it is not just about financing. Just like Anjem Choudary,
:05:27. > :05:32.Mizanur Rahman was someone that provided the theological basis
:05:33. > :05:34.for people to go But what was different,
:05:35. > :05:37.what sets him apart from someone like Anjem Choudary is the fact
:05:38. > :05:40.that he was very willing and active in engaging directly
:05:41. > :05:42.with people over social media, Giving direct advice,
:05:43. > :05:44.theological advice. In January whilst he was still
:05:45. > :05:47.on bail, I met Rahman. Like Anjem Choudary,
:05:48. > :05:49.he has always been someone These terms, radicalising,
:05:50. > :05:58.you need to define it. Is Jeremy Corbyn radicalising
:05:59. > :06:00.the Labour Party for example? If you mean am I debating people
:06:01. > :06:08.and convincing people that my ideas might be correct, well,
:06:09. > :06:10.that's what you do in a debate. Even if those ideas at times
:06:11. > :06:12.break the law? We have already established
:06:13. > :06:19.that we stay within At times they break
:06:20. > :06:23.the law. By the time this airs,
:06:24. > :06:27.you might be in jail. Because there is a political system
:06:28. > :06:32.in place which doesn't really Rahman tried to be careful
:06:33. > :06:36.in his language. This was an exchange of text
:06:37. > :06:38.messages between him Choudhury says to Rahman,
:06:39. > :06:45."open support for Isis or Jabhat Rahman replies, "maybe condemning
:06:46. > :06:53.Shia and the Free Syria Army and a general call for
:06:54. > :06:55.sharia in Syria without The declaration of a caliphate
:06:56. > :07:02.by Isis pushed Rahman towards more explicit support,
:07:03. > :07:04.but without a passport, One Twitter exchange he had
:07:05. > :07:13.with a young American Muslim He is asked if preaching is more
:07:14. > :07:19.important than helping He replies, preaching is important,
:07:20. > :07:23.but it's also obligatory A few months later, the American
:07:24. > :07:30.was arrested at an airport And the concept of a Khilafah
:07:31. > :07:37.is 1400 years old. You know, someone does not have one
:07:38. > :07:43.twitter conversation and they decide to change their whole
:07:44. > :07:46.life based on one tweet. Rahman insisted in court
:07:47. > :08:08.to that his talks were about general There is a network around these
:08:09. > :08:15.people. What does the conviction of these paired mean for that network?
:08:16. > :08:19.Well when they were arrested in September 2014, at the time the
:08:20. > :08:24.authorities I think are desperate to crack this network, not just in the
:08:25. > :08:28.UK but have franchises across Europe, Belgium, Holland and
:08:29. > :08:31.Denmark. They were worried about the possibility of attacks here and
:08:32. > :08:36.subsequently with this conviction, the network has been significantly
:08:37. > :08:40.disrupted. We have seen large numbers of the network who have
:08:41. > :08:44.already gone to Syria. And I can reveal that recently quite a large
:08:45. > :08:49.number of the followers of Anjem Choudary have been placed on
:08:50. > :08:51.terrorism prevention orders and they're under curfews and restricted
:08:52. > :08:53.access. For headline writers,
:08:54. > :08:55.the words rail and misery seem to flow on to the page together,
:08:56. > :08:59.like fat and cat or rip and off. And today, there are those headlines
:09:00. > :09:01.of rail misery again - regulated train fares
:09:02. > :09:03.are going up, we learned this The usual understandable
:09:04. > :09:06.anger erupted, what with And from the Labour leader,
:09:07. > :09:13.a potential solution. He called it Transport Tuesday -
:09:14. > :09:16.jumping on the Super Saturday bandwagon perhaps -
:09:17. > :09:18.and the solution he promised was public ownership
:09:19. > :09:23.of the railways. There is one specific pledge: I'll
:09:24. > :09:25.quote it to you, from "The plans could see rail passengers
:09:26. > :09:30.save 10 per cent off So the big question is,
:09:31. > :09:33.complain as we might about our trains, would public
:09:34. > :09:35.ownership be a solution or a distraction to the problems
:09:36. > :09:39.of running a railway. We'll talk to Labour's transport
:09:40. > :09:41.spokesman shortly but first, Chris Cook looks at what
:09:42. > :09:47.nationalisation might mean. The idea of allowing companies
:09:48. > :09:51.to run train services was simple - in return for making a profit,
:09:52. > :09:55.private investors would take some risk off the taxpayer,
:09:56. > :09:58.encourage innovation, and use their balance
:09:59. > :10:02.sheet to invest. The misery of Southern Rail
:10:03. > :10:12.is the latest chapter in a long Industrial action, cancelled
:10:13. > :10:18.and overcrowded trains, and growing political
:10:19. > :10:23.support for renationalisation. The best way is for the public
:10:24. > :10:26.to run it, as the public ran the East Coast Mainline,
:10:27. > :10:28.at a profit. This is not a sensible way
:10:29. > :10:31.of running a public railway system which we have all paid
:10:32. > :10:34.for through huge levels of public investment in the track
:10:35. > :10:39.and signalling systems. Today we learned that
:10:40. > :10:43.fares will rise by 1.9% in January in Great Britain,
:10:44. > :10:45.while consumer price And research by trade unions
:10:46. > :10:52.suggests rail fares have increased at double the speed
:10:53. > :10:59.of wages since 2010. Many of the problems we have
:11:00. > :11:03.with our dysfunctional privatised system as it stands at the moment
:11:04. > :11:06.is precisely that the fragmentation and of course the cost of that,
:11:07. > :11:09.which means that instead of our fares going to invest
:11:10. > :11:12.in the rail system, instead they are going out into the hands
:11:13. > :11:17.of private shareholders. The underlying problem
:11:18. > :11:20.is that our railway Back in 2011, an official report
:11:21. > :11:26.implied a journey that would cost around ?1.20 in fare and public
:11:27. > :11:29.subsidy in other European countries So, our fares in 2011 were about 30%
:11:30. > :11:38.higher than those of our peers. The most important reason
:11:39. > :11:44.why our rail is so important The flip side of our very
:11:45. > :11:49.beautiful Victorian stations is we have a lot of Victorian rail,
:11:50. > :11:52.which is expensive We are also, as a country,
:11:53. > :11:59.tending to run a lot more services with relatively
:12:00. > :12:01.few passengers on them, and that, too, boosts our
:12:02. > :12:05.underlying cost base. Those unusually high costs mainly
:12:06. > :12:11.relate to Network Rail, which runs the track,
:12:12. > :12:14.and that's already nationalised. The private train operating
:12:15. > :12:18.companies, they made over ?200 million of profit last year,
:12:19. > :12:21.but that money would only fund Advocates for franchising see that
:12:22. > :12:29.as a price worth paying There is one big number
:12:30. > :12:35.that matters most. Under British Rail, numbers using
:12:36. > :12:38.the railways consistently fell. Since 1995 when it was privatised,
:12:39. > :12:41.journeys have doubled in just 20 years, but I think that franchising
:12:42. > :12:44.has a lot of problems. It's not necessarily a natural
:12:45. > :12:46.way to run railways. All across the world,
:12:47. > :12:48.including here, companies build their railways up,
:12:49. > :12:50.track and train together. Separating them as we do,
:12:51. > :12:53.forcing them to be separate, Southern's recent woes may be
:12:54. > :13:00.another cause for pause. In this case, a private company
:13:01. > :13:03.doesn't actually have that much They are just being paid a fee
:13:04. > :13:08.to administer the railway Right now, it strikes me
:13:09. > :13:14.that we are getting We have the privatised system
:13:15. > :13:17.plus a government that What we would have I think
:13:18. > :13:21.if the company were properly in public hands, and I don't just
:13:22. > :13:25.mean the state, we could have more imaginative systems of mutuals,
:13:26. > :13:28.local authorities getting more involved, but if it were in public
:13:29. > :13:33.hands, for a start, the contract would be fully public
:13:34. > :13:37.so we could see what the terms were, and it would be fully accountable
:13:38. > :13:40.to the public as well. Would a nationalised
:13:41. > :13:42.rail system necessarily Governments are always
:13:43. > :13:49.struggling to contain the cost They are always under pressure
:13:50. > :13:55.to spend more on education. And the experience of British Rail
:13:56. > :13:57.suggests that in that context, it is very hard to politically make
:13:58. > :14:01.the case for spending Britain certainly botched
:14:02. > :14:09.the franchising of its rail services, and we have all paid
:14:10. > :14:35.the price, but renationalisation Shortly before coming on air, I
:14:36. > :14:39.spoke to Andy Mangan on from Labour. He is the Shadow Transport
:14:40. > :14:45.Secretary, and asked how his party would cut 10% from rail fares. It
:14:46. > :14:48.would come from the savings that are to be achieved by getting out of
:14:49. > :14:53.this treble franchising system that leaks so much money out of the
:14:54. > :14:57.system. If we can end that, we have a fund available to deliver those
:14:58. > :15:02.sorts of cuts. It is something in the order of ?1.2 billion going out
:15:03. > :15:07.of the system on an annual basis. You say that, but I am looking at
:15:08. > :15:17.the profits made by those companies. It is not a particularly profitable
:15:18. > :15:19.business. Total profit of ?220 million in 2014-15. Passenger
:15:20. > :15:25.revenue is getting on for ?9 billion. One is diddly squat, one is
:15:26. > :15:31.a large number. If those operating costs were removed by having so many
:15:32. > :15:35.operators in the system, we have ridiculous multiplicity of providers
:15:36. > :15:41.in our country. There are so many players in the railway system that
:15:42. > :15:47.costs escalate. You're going to have a Western Railway, an East Coast, a
:15:48. > :15:52.Southern, they will still be there. That's right, but at the moment we
:15:53. > :15:59.have a subsidy system going straight into these companies, often to
:16:00. > :16:03.Germany, to France, all across the European Union. We are subsidising
:16:04. > :16:09.some of them, but we make money from some of them. The profits which leak
:16:10. > :16:18.out are approximately 2.5% of passenger revenues. You cannot cut
:16:19. > :16:25.rail fares by 10%. You still have 7.5% to find. Research that the TUC
:16:26. > :16:30.have conducted shows that millions can be taken out of the system on an
:16:31. > :16:35.annual basis by changing to directly operated railways. Look at what
:16:36. > :16:42.happened with East Coast, ?1 billion was returned to the Treasury over
:16:43. > :16:46.the duration of that franchise. The TUC report makes estimates of these
:16:47. > :16:51.interface cost, one company having to deal with another and work out
:16:52. > :16:56.whose fault it was that the train was rape. The McNulty report said
:16:57. > :16:59.that much more can be gained by improving the performance of the
:17:00. > :17:02.current system rather than embarking on a costly programme of
:17:03. > :17:07.renationalisation of which is unlikely to lead to an overall
:17:08. > :17:12.reduction in costs. So, McNulty doesn't think that there is a big
:17:13. > :17:17.cost saving to be found. But it isn't an expensive process if you
:17:18. > :17:20.are just allowing franchises to get to them natural termination point
:17:21. > :17:23.and not be renewed. There are no acquisition costs involved in the
:17:24. > :17:28.process if they follow one after the other. We would be saving ourselves
:17:29. > :17:33.fortunate over the term. What might you would agree that this comprises
:17:34. > :17:39.a top-down reorganisation of the railways, wouldn't you? You want to
:17:40. > :17:45.describe it that way. Because you have franchises regularly coming up
:17:46. > :17:50.renewal, it is gradual. It is a top-down reorganisation. Why can't
:17:51. > :17:57.we have the confidence to do what has been done in Germany and France,
:17:58. > :18:03.and in Holland? They are content to have their infrastructure and their
:18:04. > :18:06.operators being under state control. They are extracting value in this
:18:07. > :18:12.country and taking it back over there. They are taking out a tiny
:18:13. > :18:19.proportion, 2.5%. But that is a lot of money. The 10% cut in rail fares
:18:20. > :18:23.is reliant on making hundreds of millions of pounds of savings which
:18:24. > :18:28.the guy who's estimate of the savings you are quoting does not
:18:29. > :18:34.believe our there to be made. You have different commentators coming
:18:35. > :18:40.up with different figures. You quoted the TUC, who are quoting
:18:41. > :18:46.McNulty, and McNulty says you cannot make those savings. I respectfully
:18:47. > :18:50.disagree. There are people like Southern who are getting millions of
:18:51. > :18:55.pounds by way of salaries and bonuses for running the most
:18:56. > :18:58.appalling service. We hand over ?1.1 billion to that company and it
:18:59. > :19:04.doesn't matter what happens in terms of the service they provide, they
:19:05. > :19:09.get paid, come rain or shine. It is unacceptable. In that respect, you
:19:10. > :19:14.make an interesting point, because is the truth about not that this
:19:15. > :19:17.railway system in our country is government-controlled already?
:19:18. > :19:21.Network Rail is part of the public sector. Southern, the Government
:19:22. > :19:25.gets all of the revenue from the passengers in the case of that
:19:26. > :19:32.franchise. It instructs Southern on how to manage the service. It has
:19:33. > :19:40.told Southern to stick to its rules on driverless trains. It is a public
:19:41. > :19:43.ownership of the railway. Not at all. They are given that money
:19:44. > :19:49.whether they perform well or indifferently. As we have just seen,
:19:50. > :19:54.they have taken 341 trains off per day. At the Government's decision.
:19:55. > :20:04.That is a Government decision, not a Southern one. They should be told to
:20:05. > :20:09.get things back in order, then. It is a distraction, the discussion
:20:10. > :20:13.about driverless trains. You want the Government have more say in the
:20:14. > :20:16.well but clearly not the Conservative Government because you
:20:17. > :20:20.say they do not run Southern very well. If your team runs the
:20:21. > :20:28.railways, will you run it better than you run the Labour Party? It is
:20:29. > :20:33.about having the freedom to do what was done by directly operated
:20:34. > :20:39.railways between 2009 and 2014, and look at the success they made of the
:20:40. > :20:42.East Coast service. The highest rate of customer satisfaction, good
:20:43. > :20:46.industrial relations, a very successful service, so it is freeing
:20:47. > :20:51.us up from this rigour of trying to produce dividends and profits to
:20:52. > :20:55.third parties and foreign state-owned companies. Some will say
:20:56. > :20:59.this is ideological. Do you believe that BT should be brought into
:21:00. > :21:04.public ownership as well? That is not my view. Do you think it was
:21:05. > :21:08.right to privatise it? In the fullness of time, I think all of
:21:09. > :21:12.these services can be looked at. Why are we looking at six companies
:21:13. > :21:17.providing energy when what people want is reliable energy as cheap as
:21:18. > :21:20.possible? They don't want to be in competition and trying to switch
:21:21. > :21:25.providers. They simply want to have a good service, reliable and
:21:26. > :21:30.affordable. At the moment, those things don't exist. We have been a
:21:31. > :21:32.big can of worms there. Andy McDonald, thank you very much.
:21:33. > :21:35.On this programme, we first posed the question, what does
:21:36. > :21:37.Brexit actually mean, back on October 28th last year.
:21:38. > :21:41.We didn't manage to get an answer then, and even though a lot of water
:21:42. > :21:44.has passed under the bridge since, it's fair to say we still don't
:21:45. > :21:49.Last year, we took a first look at some of the popular options:
:21:50. > :21:52.Norway and Switzerland for example, and these were much discussed
:21:53. > :21:58.But we missed one then, and it hasn't had much pick up
:21:59. > :22:07.OK, so it is not a very big country, but like Norway, it's
:22:08. > :22:09.in the European Economic Area - unlike Norway, it has restrictions
:22:10. > :22:14.Helen Thomas is in the principality to see if its status could possibly
:22:15. > :22:24.This is Liechtenstein's idea of how to celebrate a national holiday.
:22:25. > :22:33.A garden party, the Royal Family on display, a rather familiar tune.
:22:34. > :22:47.And of course, a hefty dose of national pride.
:22:48. > :22:49.Liechtenstein clearly has a lot to recommend it.
:22:50. > :22:51.Glorious weather, beautiful scenery, and quite a catchy national anthem.
:22:52. > :22:54.But from the UK's point of view, the country also has
:22:55. > :22:58.Liechtenstein, like Norway, is part of the single market
:22:59. > :23:02.through its membership of the European Economic Area.
:23:03. > :23:04.But the country also has a tightly controlled quota
:23:05. > :23:13.Now, that is a combination that some in Europe claim is impossible,
:23:14. > :23:17.that the four freedoms of people, goods, capital and services
:23:18. > :23:27.An example to point to as the UK starts the long and complicated
:23:28. > :23:33.process of extricating itself from the EU?
:23:34. > :23:35.There's an important thing I think is, it's not specifically
:23:36. > :23:40.What they're doing is adopting what are known technically
:23:41. > :23:43.as safeguard measures which then brought them a treaty change.
:23:44. > :23:45.But it doesn't just apply to Liechtenstein.
:23:46. > :23:50.This is not specifically a Liechtenstein solution.
:23:51. > :23:54.And when the EEA was first set up there were actually four countries
:23:55. > :24:04.which took advantage of these provisions.
:24:05. > :24:07.There are some subtle differences between Liechtenstein and the UK.
:24:08. > :24:09.The UK's population is about 1750 times larger.
:24:10. > :24:18.And Liechtenstein is about half the size of the Isle of Wight.
:24:19. > :24:27.So you see, it's really a small country, and for that,
:24:28. > :24:32.Without control, we have a lot of people, a lot of aliens
:24:33. > :24:36.in Liechtenstein and that would be a big problem for Liechtenstein.
:24:37. > :24:38.So it's not clear that the UK will get an invitation
:24:39. > :24:46.It's starting from a different position and that's one reason
:24:47. > :24:49.to question whether the model would work for the UK.
:24:50. > :24:52.It doesn't set a legal precedent given that the provisions under
:24:53. > :24:55.which Liechtenstein has been able to negotiate their situation is one
:24:56. > :25:01.under the EEA agreement of which the UK is not yet a member.
:25:02. > :25:04.The Prime Minister doesn't think the same deal will be on offer.
:25:05. > :25:06.Yeah, I think nowadays it would be almost impossible for Liechtenstein
:25:07. > :25:18.But I think when we would today negotiate such a solution,
:25:19. > :25:24.And you see the discussions in Switzerland, also in the UK,
:25:25. > :25:30.free movement is one of the pillars of the EU.
:25:31. > :25:35.And it's quite difficult to get that special situation.
:25:36. > :25:39.The mechanics of how the UK could replicate Liechtenstein's
:25:40. > :25:44.We would need to join both the European Free Trade
:25:45. > :25:49.Other members could block that happening.
:25:50. > :26:01.But some in Liechtenstein think the UK has scope to negotiate.
:26:02. > :26:07.of the EEA or yet another concept, is open.
:26:08. > :26:11.And I would think that with this Brexit and the pressure from other
:26:12. > :26:13.EU countries, that this immigration issue has to be changed.
:26:14. > :26:15.And it can only be solved with changes.
:26:16. > :26:21.With that, I think that plays into the hands of Britain.
:26:22. > :26:28.Embracing Liechtenstein's model wholesale may prove complicated.
:26:29. > :26:33.But its unique situation could prove an illuminating example.
:26:34. > :26:36.The UK will be looking for any chance to ensure negotiations
:26:37. > :26:58.While some of you have been contemplating what the offspring of
:26:59. > :27:04.Laura Trott and Jason Kenny could achieve in future Olympics, we have
:27:05. > :27:05.been looking at matters closer to home.
:27:06. > :27:09.I say sofa, it's more like a patchwork quilt of
:27:10. > :27:35.I'm so glad the Olympics is only once every four
:27:36. > :27:42.I've been watching you night after night,
:27:43. > :27:44.and you're starting to look a little bit pasty.
:27:45. > :27:46.Because you're not eating the right things.
:27:47. > :28:10.A little coconut milk going in there.
:28:11. > :28:12.If you can't get yak, go straight to coconut.
:28:13. > :28:28.It's so much better when you've cooked it yourself.
:28:29. > :28:45.In the old days, she'd have missed the tape.
:28:46. > :28:51.Because his upper body is somewhere across the line.
:28:52. > :28:53.Should this be track, or should this be in
:28:54. > :28:57.There's a lot of diving going on here, isn't
:28:58. > :29:07.He looks like he's just fallen out of a
:29:08. > :29:19.Is this speeded up, or is this normal?
:29:20. > :29:26.People say, oh you can get up and watch it in the morning.
:29:27. > :29:48.If it was me, I'd have the old waistband up here.
:29:49. > :29:53.Well, partly that, but you're not allowed to
:29:54. > :29:59.Would you like your kids to box, though?
:30:00. > :30:07.Mind you, you might have to spar with them.
:30:08. > :30:19.Have you had any problems with the hips?
:30:20. > :30:25.Well that's great, come on, I'll show you this wonderful...
:30:26. > :30:33.You've been watching Stephen Smith's Throne of Games.
:30:34. > :30:35.And you wonder why Julian Fellowes has taken
:30:36. > :30:43.Don't worry, there will be another programme later today! Good morning!