:00:00. > :00:13.The voting has begun in the Labour leadership election.
:00:14. > :00:20.So how does the mainstream media deal with Jeremy Corbyn?
:00:21. > :00:23.That's not about the mainstream media taking against Corbyn
:00:24. > :00:24.as the Momentumistas would have you think.
:00:25. > :00:29.That's about Jeremy Corbyn not being up to the job.
:00:30. > :00:33.Does he get a fair crack of the whip or a bit of a whipping?
:00:34. > :00:36.Britain is on a sporting high after Rio but are some of the claims
:00:37. > :00:43.about the transformative power of our medals haul just fanciful?
:00:44. > :00:47.The man who produced this, Quincy Jones, speaks to us
:00:48. > :00:49.before his Proms performance, about, amongst other things,
:00:50. > :00:55.Yeah, back then, but he wasn't like that, man, at all.
:00:56. > :01:10.He used to fly with his helicopter with his name on the bottom of it.
:01:11. > :01:12.And that's not the only musical delight.
:01:13. > :01:15.We have our own live performance from Zimbabwean jazz singer Eska
:01:16. > :01:37.The ballot papers have been sent out to Labour members and supporters
:01:38. > :01:40.all 640,000 or so of them, who have until September 21st
:01:41. > :01:42.to make up their minds who will be the next Labour leader.
:01:43. > :01:44.The bookies are backing Jeremy Corbyn.
:01:45. > :01:46.But over the weekend two big hitters, Labour's Scottish leader,
:01:47. > :01:50.Kezia Dugdale, and the London Mayor, Sadiq Khan, made it clear
:01:51. > :01:53.they are not on the basis that he wouldn't win over a majority
:01:54. > :01:58.What I have written, and just spoken is factually
:01:59. > :02:00.accurate, but Corbynites claim that the mainstream media's attitude
:02:01. > :02:13.The headlines haven't been kind to Jeremy Corbyn.
:02:14. > :02:18.From the moment he won Labour's leadership contest, some foresaw his
:02:19. > :02:20.destruction of the country, made highly-personal assaults
:02:21. > :02:25.on his character, and condemned him as a terrorist sympathiser.
:02:26. > :02:27.More recently, as that leadership is threatened, the papers have
:02:28. > :02:35.There is nothing new about attacks on politicians.
:02:36. > :02:36.Jeremy Corbyn's predecessor, Ed Miliband, was frequently
:02:37. > :02:38.in the firing line, as was Labour's candidate
:02:39. > :02:52.But fans of the Labour leader argue that their voices are being silenced
:02:53. > :02:55.and that the criticism their man faces is of an entirely different
:02:56. > :03:00.Doctor Justin Schlosberg, a Jeremy Corbyn supporter and member
:03:01. > :03:03.of the Momentum campaign group, has studied the media's
:03:04. > :03:10.The coverage of Jeremy Corbyn has been deeply unfair right back
:03:11. > :03:12.to when he was first elected, but particularly in the most recent
:03:13. > :03:18.And the problem, you know, is not just that the press has
:03:19. > :03:24.taken an editorial view, which you would expect them to do
:03:25. > :03:27.in cases like this, but that those narratives have really seeped
:03:28. > :03:28.into and disproportionately influenced the coverage
:03:29. > :03:31.And television and online are supposed to be
:03:32. > :03:37.the counterweights to the dominant voices of national newspapers.
:03:38. > :03:42.The Media Reform Coalition analysed 465 articles and 40 prime-time news
:03:43. > :03:47.bulletins on the BBC and ITV in a crucial ten-day period in June.
:03:48. > :03:50.The team found that twice as much time was given to Corbyn critics
:03:51. > :03:54.than supporters, journalists used pejorative language
:03:55. > :03:56.to describe the Labour leader, and that the alleged bias
:03:57. > :04:01.in the coverage was neither inevitable nor unavoidable.
:04:02. > :04:04.Jeremy Corbyn's team have purposefully chosen a different
:04:05. > :04:09.campaigning strategy, speaking to supporters
:04:10. > :04:11.through social media rather than the more-traditional
:04:12. > :04:15.That's not an excuse for an absence of supportive
:04:16. > :04:19.voices in mainstream media coverage, say some.
:04:20. > :04:21.The responsibility is on the media, the responsibility is
:04:22. > :04:25.on journalists, trained, professional journalists,
:04:26. > :04:30.to recognise what is going on here, to recognise the kind of agenda
:04:31. > :04:35.building that is going on behind the scenes,
:04:36. > :04:38.and to do their best to actually create a more balanced picture.
:04:39. > :04:40.But rather than rely on journalists, would a different approach
:04:41. > :04:42.towards the press be far more effective?
:04:43. > :04:45.They've gone after Jeremy Corbyn in a very, very negative
:04:46. > :04:50.That's what you expect from the press.
:04:51. > :04:53.You can't stick your fingers in your ears, you've got to,
:04:54. > :04:58.as best you can, engage with the press, because people,
:04:59. > :05:02.they don't talk about politics on social media, they watch a bit
:05:03. > :05:05.of TV, listen to Radio 2, if you're not there and you've just
:05:06. > :05:08.retreated to a social-media bubble, which very few people use,
:05:09. > :05:10.then your message won't get across and you'll be defined
:05:11. > :05:13.Privately, many in the mainstream media completely reject the idea
:05:14. > :05:15.that there is some kind of co-ordinated attack
:05:16. > :05:19.against Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters, like those
:05:20. > :05:26.Some journalists point out that, whichever way you try to spin it,
:05:27. > :05:29.the bulk of your front bench resigning and the vast majority
:05:30. > :05:32.of MPs saying they've got no faith in your leadership,
:05:33. > :05:35.well, that's just a bad-news day in anyone's book.
:05:36. > :05:40.Others say there is a simpler explanation for some of the bad
:05:41. > :05:46.It really tells you something, doesn't it, when the Guardian
:05:47. > :05:49.and the Mirror and Channel 4, who you would have thought would be
:05:50. > :05:50.totally on that kind of left-wing agenda,
:05:51. > :05:53.also think that he has been a really, really terrible leader
:05:54. > :05:58.That's not about the mainstream media taking against Jeremy Corbyn,
:05:59. > :06:00.as the Momentumistas would have you think,
:06:01. > :06:04.that's about Jeremy Corbyn not being up to the job.
:06:05. > :06:07.The fact that Sadiq Khan and those kind of people are now coming out
:06:08. > :06:10.against him and saying they want a different leader is also part
:06:11. > :06:14.Jeremy Corbyn is not up to it, therefore he gets bad press.
:06:15. > :06:22.Jeremy Corbyn's backers can take heart from one thing.
:06:23. > :06:25.Despite nearly a year of media criticism, there appears to be
:06:26. > :06:29.little if any dent to his popularity among Labour supporters,
:06:30. > :06:32.and, as the party's members cast their ballots over the coming
:06:33. > :06:39.weeks, his team will hope that trend continues.
:06:40. > :06:41.Joining me now, Stephen Bush, special correspondent
:06:42. > :06:45.Editor of the left-wing news website, The Canary,
:06:46. > :06:48.Strategic advisor to the Jeremy for Labour campaign Jeremy Gilbert.
:06:49. > :06:54.And former editor of The Sun David Yelland.
:06:55. > :07:04.Good evening to all of you. What is Jeremy Corbyn's strategy with the
:07:05. > :07:10.media? His strategy is partly what you would expect any politician's
:07:11. > :07:13.strategy to be, to engage with it productively but he also has a
:07:14. > :07:17.different and new agenda which is to reach out directly as far as
:07:18. > :07:21.possible to the border constituency across the country come to
:07:22. > :07:25.supporters through social media and independent media and I think this
:07:26. > :07:27.is quite challenging to established mainstream media, they find it
:07:28. > :07:34.difficult to understand and quite frightening. But I think it is a
:07:35. > :07:39.strategy appropriate to the 21st-century. So how does the engage
:07:40. > :07:45.with mainstream media? In the same way anybody does, when he gets the
:07:46. > :07:51.chance to do so. He does interviews, issued statements, answers
:07:52. > :07:58.questions, campaigns. Does he need the mainstream media? We all need it
:07:59. > :08:04.to some extent, it is willing to do its job. We all needed to the extent
:08:05. > :08:08.that they are willing to represent a broad swathe of opinion across the
:08:09. > :08:12.country and population. Is the mainstream media doing its job is
:08:13. > :08:19.far Jeremy is concerned? I think it is. The first thing to say is that
:08:20. > :08:24.no Labour leader post war has had the support of more than 20, 20 5%
:08:25. > :08:33.of the press apart from perhaps Tony Blair. Any Labour leader starts off
:08:34. > :08:38.on a very sticky wicket. But Jeremy Corbyn is on an even stickier wicket
:08:39. > :08:44.because of the news, because a good chunk of the Shadow Cabinet don't
:08:45. > :08:49.support him. Sadiq Khan does not support him, the leader in Scotland
:08:50. > :08:52.does not support him. The media is reporting the news and the biggest
:08:53. > :08:55.risk for Jeremy Corbyn is that he disappears from the news agenda
:08:56. > :09:02.which is what had begun tapping until today when the voting has
:09:03. > :09:07.started. -- begun to happen. Not just Tory press but he been nowhere
:09:08. > :09:13.near the front page for a long time. I had basically written him off.
:09:14. > :09:18.Therefore what do you think the Canary does as an online forum and
:09:19. > :09:23.paper that mainstream media does not? What we're trying to do and
:09:24. > :09:26.becoming increasingly successful in doing is challenging some of the
:09:27. > :09:30.dominant narratives. We have a situation here where 81% of the
:09:31. > :09:34.mainstream media is owned by six corporations and most of the
:09:35. > :09:37.journalists went to a handful of universities and graduated about
:09:38. > :09:41.Digg images to the left or right to veto the politically so that if
:09:42. > :09:45.little gap between them and it becomes a minuscule arena for
:09:46. > :09:51.political debate -- about six inches to the left or right. People outside
:09:52. > :09:57.of that are mocked or ridiculed or derided as mad and dangerous. And
:09:58. > :09:59.that is a crisis. And you are backing Jeremy Corbyn to the hilt?
:10:00. > :10:11.We are doing something slightly different, ourselves, incredible
:10:12. > :10:19.blogs, we are saying, hang on, there is a vast spectrum of ideas, of
:10:20. > :10:26.great ideas outside that arena. There is a vast spectrum, and would
:10:27. > :10:29.you be as happy to report on that vast spectrum, right-wing ideas as
:10:30. > :10:38.well as left wing? I think there is more than enough space occupied
:10:39. > :10:43.currently reporting white ring ideas. So you are cheerleaders for
:10:44. > :10:48.Jeremy Corbyn? Absolutely not, and saying there is a vast spectrum of
:10:49. > :10:51.ideas and they are sadly underrepresented in the mainstream
:10:52. > :10:55.media. What you have it essential parallel revolution is happening in
:10:56. > :10:59.politics and in the media. In politics you have the courageous and
:11:00. > :11:03.capable politicians of the SNP in Scotland, Plaid Cymru in Wales,
:11:04. > :11:07.Corbyn's labour and in the media you have the likes of the canary which
:11:08. > :11:13.did not exist a year ago, and in July with the top read new site in
:11:14. > :11:19.the UK, taking over the New Statesman and the Economist and the
:11:20. > :11:27.Spectator. So you feel under threat from them? I would not say it is a
:11:28. > :11:31.website I worry about, they are doing something very different to
:11:32. > :11:38.what we're doing. I don't want to litigate other people... But I kind
:11:39. > :11:42.of take the view that in some ways, the mainstream media, if it fails to
:11:43. > :11:52.represent enough people, it dies. Ultimately your readership is the
:11:53. > :11:58.only currency that matters. When you are reporting on Jeremy Corbyn, do
:11:59. > :12:05.you think the new statement is biased against him? No, I think we
:12:06. > :12:09.contain, our aim is to contain the whole of the left so we have
:12:10. > :12:14.everything from James Schneider, Michael Jefferys, who is only the
:12:15. > :12:19.most engaging writer come all the way to people like John McDermott
:12:20. > :12:25.who would quite like to take an ice pick to Jeremy Corbyn! We try to see
:12:26. > :12:29.ourselves as the honest broker. And you would see the new statement at
:12:30. > :12:36.the honest broker? I wouldn't go that far. I respect the fact they
:12:37. > :12:44.make the effort to do what Stephen has said -- the New Statesman. I
:12:45. > :12:50.think the range of voices is skewed, not towards the far end but to the
:12:51. > :12:53.soft left from our point of convergence between the soft left
:12:54. > :12:56.and the old Labour right which is essentially committed to the idea
:12:57. > :13:03.that there is one way to do politics. That is by having a nice,
:13:04. > :13:08.popular, marketable leader who is a big social democratic, a bit
:13:09. > :13:10.respectable... And a bit popular in the country? I dearly but
:13:11. > :13:14.historically it is a model of politics that has failed multiple
:13:15. > :13:19.times. It failed for new clinic twice, for Ed Miliband and for
:13:20. > :13:24.Gordon Brown. The question we have to ask is white so many people in
:13:25. > :13:27.the Parliamentary Labour Party and indeed in the left liberal press
:13:28. > :13:30.like the guardsmen -- Guardian and the new statement are so committed
:13:31. > :13:37.to a strategy that has failed so many times. The success rate for
:13:38. > :13:42.Corbyn isn't so far is 1983 which did not go that well, when the 16th
:13:43. > :13:46.same trajectory, not better or worse than Ed Miliband and we know what
:13:47. > :13:56.happened at the end of that story -- 2016, the same trajectory. The idea
:13:57. > :14:04.that you can talk about 1983 at Corbynista is ridiculous, this is 35
:14:05. > :14:09.years later. He got into politics as Tony Benn's closes... They leader
:14:10. > :14:19.from that group... What bit about is quite different. Staked a particular
:14:20. > :14:24.issue. This is almost like viewers and listeners start here. What is
:14:25. > :14:29.the position over Trident? The Labour Party's position is one
:14:30. > :14:33.thing, it is multilateralism, Jeremy Corbyn's is quite different.
:14:34. > :14:36.Presumably you would say that the media should report on both
:14:37. > :14:40.positions and have critical analysis between the two.
:14:41. > :14:47.That is one of the issues where there has not been balance. Voices
:14:48. > :14:53.who are critical of and hostile to Jeremy's decision have appeared
:14:54. > :15:00.multiple times with no... Let's take that issue. The Labour Party if the
:15:01. > :15:05.party of opposition, it has a position, Jeremy Corbyn is a
:15:06. > :15:11.different position. We have gone through the referendum, the country
:15:12. > :15:17.out there is a very different place from the discussion happening here,
:15:18. > :15:25.radically different. It is not looking at the detail, and
:15:26. > :15:31.shouldn't. People have lives. The reality is, the reason that the
:15:32. > :15:42.Prescott aggressive with Neil Kinnock when he nearly was elected
:15:43. > :15:47.was on his defence policy. There were people... Quite right as well,
:15:48. > :15:50.I don't think he should have been elected, he would have been
:15:51. > :15:58.dangerous for the West and Britain. A lot of serious people in the
:15:59. > :16:03.country, not some sort of Rupert or anybody like that, but voters, said,
:16:04. > :16:07.we cannot let this man, and it is the same with Jeremy Corbyn,
:16:08. > :16:14.although there are other issues. The reason that the press have started
:16:15. > :16:22.to ignore him, he is never going to be elected. That is interesting.
:16:23. > :16:27.There is not a chance. Should the press make that decision? No, but
:16:28. > :16:33.they do, they have for several elections. This is the problem with
:16:34. > :16:38.the mentality of the coup. They are trying to fight the 2005 election
:16:39. > :16:43.again, and the elections of the past decade or so, where you have
:16:44. > :16:49.middling Glen deciding, because you have 40% of people who are not
:16:50. > :16:52.bothering to vote. The last election, 76% of people did not vote
:16:53. > :16:58.Labour, and what Jeremy Corbyn and the Green Party and the SNP are
:16:59. > :17:05.doing is, can we please stop fighting over this 24% and go for
:17:06. > :17:13.the 76% over Fiona? They are craving a new kind of politics. We are
:17:14. > :17:19.facing multiple crises on multiple fronts in foreign policy, the NHS.
:17:20. > :17:27.Opinion polls suggest that Jeremy Corbyn has a big following amongst
:17:28. > :17:33.the people he has energised, but in terms of opinion polls, he would not
:17:34. > :17:40.win the country. These are the same opinion polls which have been
:17:41. > :17:45.incorrect. The opinion polls over the last five electoral cycles, the
:17:46. > :17:53.online polls got the referendum right, all of the polls got the SNP
:17:54. > :17:57.surge and the referendum right. If you are looking for positive things
:17:58. > :18:01.to say about Jeremy Corbyn, that is the worst thing to say, because if
:18:02. > :18:08.there is an error there, all of the trends would suggest it would be
:18:09. > :18:14.underestimating... I think the excitement of the new politics is
:18:15. > :18:18.coming from that working-class community who has tuned out of
:18:19. > :18:21.politics for quite some time, and you have the seeds of Labour
:18:22. > :18:26.movement happening in this country again, the likes of which we have
:18:27. > :18:29.seen for some time. If Owen Smith was going out and having thousands
:18:30. > :18:36.of people turning up to rallies and the Labour Party members were
:18:37. > :18:42.surging over him, these people would say, these are some great signs of
:18:43. > :18:46.engagement. Will we see Jeremy Ben and Owen Smith on the front pages
:18:47. > :18:48.between now and September the 21st? A bit, but not that much.
:18:49. > :18:51.Billions of people around the world watched one after another
:18:52. > :18:52.after another electrifying performance by British
:18:53. > :18:57."A sporting superpower" - that's how the chief executive of UK
:18:58. > :19:00.Sport describes the UK after the massive medal haul
:19:01. > :19:02.which puts the UK second only to the US.
:19:03. > :19:07.So how did Team GB do it and have these hard-won victories wider
:19:08. > :19:12.Has this achievement the power to perform miracles in other
:19:13. > :19:19.We asked Matthew Syed, a former Commonwealth
:19:20. > :19:21.table-tennis champion, and now a leader in the science
:19:22. > :19:25.of high performance, to make a film for us.
:19:26. > :19:35.A gold and silver. Rio 2016 has been a triumph for Team GB. These
:19:36. > :19:40.excesses have captivated the nation, and have been pretty broad. The 67
:19:41. > :19:45.medals have encompassed familiar sports would also diving, tae kwon
:19:46. > :19:52.do and hockey. Something else has happened as well. People have
:19:53. > :19:56.extrapolated from Team GB's success, funded by ?300 million of public
:19:57. > :20:01.money, to make broader claims about the economy, written's place in the
:20:02. > :20:06.world, even the merits of central planning. Here are five big claims
:20:07. > :20:15.about our sporting triumph and whether they add up. Central
:20:16. > :20:20.planning can fix the economy. UK Sport has picked winners. Targeting
:20:21. > :20:24.sports which promised success and cutting back on those that
:20:25. > :20:30.historically have not made the grade. And can the idea of picking
:20:31. > :20:37.winners be used in industrial planning as well? It is easy to lose
:20:38. > :20:44.sight of just how complicated a modern economy is. It is ?1.6
:20:45. > :20:49.trillion in the UK economy, 10 billion distinct products and
:20:50. > :20:54.services. To look at an achievement like funding UK LE sport and to say
:20:55. > :21:00.therefore we can do the same thing with the economy, it does not carry
:21:01. > :21:04.over. It is on a different scale. The budget of UK Sport in the last
:21:05. > :21:08.four years would not fund the National health service for one day.
:21:09. > :21:15.British Olympians are disproportionately middle-class. In
:21:16. > :21:18.Beijing 20's 2008, half of the gold medallist from Team GB were
:21:19. > :21:25.privately educated. The trajectory is downwards. This year's team is
:21:26. > :21:30.made up of 542 athletes, it is estimated that 20% went to private
:21:31. > :21:37.school, compared with 7% of the general population. Compared with
:21:38. > :21:42.other sectors, the gap is not as stock. 32% of MPs went to private
:21:43. > :21:49.school, 71% of top military officers, 74% of the top judges. The
:21:50. > :21:57.Olympics is more representative in terms of social class than other
:21:58. > :22:03.elite professions. Lots of the professions now are much more
:22:04. > :22:13.meritocratic, but not completely. Whereas you might not get your
:22:14. > :22:19.training place in a law firm, your parents can go on all day like to UK
:22:20. > :22:22.Sport and the performance director but it won't wash, because the only
:22:23. > :22:29.thing that will get those young people into Team GB is that they are
:22:30. > :22:34.good enough. Marginal gains can transform our public institutions.
:22:35. > :22:41.Marginal gains has become a Team GB motto. It is all about breaking the
:22:42. > :22:45.problem of winning, for example, a bike race into its component parts,
:22:46. > :22:53.improving every single one, even if it is by 1%, the overall effect can
:22:54. > :22:58.be huge. Altering the bike designed to improve aerodynamic efficiency,
:22:59. > :23:03.optimising the skin suits, the shoes, altering the diet. Finding
:23:04. > :23:07.the tiny witnesses in one's assumptions and turning them into
:23:08. > :23:14.strengths. Olympians show that hard work is AK Party of success. Reality
:23:15. > :23:19.TV is about immediate success, instant gratification, a lot of the
:23:20. > :23:25.stars have done little more to achieve their fame than fallout of a
:23:26. > :23:27.night up. Olympians offer a different perspective, they took
:23:28. > :23:33.about dedication, sacrifice and a journey of real achievement. Does
:23:34. > :23:39.this matter? Absolutely. Research has shown if children by the line
:23:40. > :23:42.that success is instant, effortless and capricious, they lose motivation
:23:43. > :23:47.on everything from schoolwork to sport. Why bother to persevere if
:23:48. > :23:52.you have not made it to the top in a flash? In one experiment, talking to
:23:53. > :23:56.children about the importance of effort and the relationship between
:23:57. > :24:01.what you put in and what you get out used in performance on a test by
:24:02. > :24:07.20%. This growth mindset message is important. Britain can stand on its
:24:08. > :24:14.own two feet in the world and win. If Team GB's success proves
:24:15. > :24:18.anything, it is that the old trope of a fading colonial power
:24:19. > :24:24.outflanked by younger, fresher nations like Australia and the USA
:24:25. > :24:29.is complete Tosh. The UK is not a nation of sporting losers. There has
:24:30. > :24:35.always been immense talent, and when that is fused with an enlightened
:24:36. > :24:41.system and an outward looking mindset, we can beat the world. Post
:24:42. > :24:49.Brexit, this should offer at least some cause for optimism. There is no
:24:50. > :24:52.inherent reason why Britain cannot compete and trade in science and
:24:53. > :24:54.technology as well. Who needs a degree to
:24:55. > :24:56.teach in the classroom? Indeed, a radical new proposal
:24:57. > :25:00.by the Teaching Schools Council suggests that teachers can
:25:01. > :25:02.learn their subject while teaching it to others -
:25:03. > :25:05.everything from English to maths. All part of the Government's big
:25:06. > :25:15.drive for more apprentices. VOICE-OVER: In the commerce class,
:25:16. > :25:18.for example, there is no frantic squabbling over one
:25:19. > :25:21.battered old typewriter. They've got a battery
:25:22. > :25:24.of 36 new machines. Could you soon start training
:25:25. > :25:28.as a teacher without a degree? That's a new proposal that
:25:29. > :25:30.has recently emerged, one that would mark a change
:25:31. > :25:33.in a decades-long push to get teachers to have ever higher
:25:34. > :25:37.qualifications and it's the highest profile idea to come
:25:38. > :25:40.from a far-reaching reform to how The big idea here is that
:25:41. > :25:45.an apprentice teacher could start work in a school
:25:46. > :25:48.without any postsecondary Rather than going to a university
:25:49. > :25:56.for a few years to learn subject knowledge and then starting
:25:57. > :25:58.to train, they would instead go straight into the classroom
:25:59. > :26:00.and learn their subject These plans are still at a very
:26:01. > :26:05.early stage but it's quite likely universities will stay
:26:06. > :26:07.involved in some capacity. We are at the stage now
:26:08. > :26:10.where we have engaged with schools, we are going to look
:26:11. > :26:14.at what is the finished article, ie a qualified teacher,
:26:15. > :26:15.and then work backwards. If the schools that have engaged
:26:16. > :26:18.with this call to arms say that they want it
:26:19. > :26:20.to be degree bearing, then the next stage is to put
:26:21. > :26:24.the standards together and the end point assessment to submit
:26:25. > :26:26.that to government. The Department for Education tonight
:26:27. > :26:29.has stated this apprenticeship will need to include a degree
:26:30. > :26:32.so apprentices will have to fit courses backed by a university
:26:33. > :26:37.around their work as a teacher. In my experience, the immediacy
:26:38. > :26:42.of being in a classroom with 30 learners is going to take priority
:26:43. > :26:51.over learning about your subject. And indeed, having a good subject
:26:52. > :26:54.knowledge is essential So I think that would take second
:26:55. > :27:02.place, even in a situation where the headteacher had
:27:03. > :27:04.implemented the programme well. These reforms are in part down
:27:05. > :27:07.to a major change to the way From next year, all employers,
:27:08. > :27:10.including those in the public sector, with a pay bill of more
:27:11. > :27:13.than ?3 million will be forced They can get that levy back
:27:14. > :27:19.but only if they use it to pay for apprenticeships, so there's
:27:20. > :27:21.a strong incentive for employers to try to fit existing training
:27:22. > :27:25.into the apprenticeship system. The funding mechanism is different
:27:26. > :27:28.because it will be funded through the ?80 million a year that
:27:29. > :27:30.schools will pay through the apprenticeship levy and then
:27:31. > :27:33.the delivery model will be slightly different so it won't be
:27:34. > :27:35.traditional four walls That's why really it plays
:27:36. > :27:40.into the hands of the 220,000 plus teaching assistants
:27:41. > :27:44.across the country because due to the demographics they can't
:27:45. > :27:46.necessarily go to university, There is scepticism, however,
:27:47. > :27:52.that teacher apprentices It's fair to say that the situation
:27:53. > :27:57.in schools is pretty desperate financially at the moment
:27:58. > :28:00.and teachers are very, And my worry is that this
:28:01. > :28:07.is going to be done on the cheap and that young people
:28:08. > :28:11.are going to be left to work in classrooms and have
:28:12. > :28:14.very little mentoring. And my experience has shown that
:28:15. > :28:16.mentoring is the most important relationship in schools
:28:17. > :28:22.during initial teacher education. The Government has a target
:28:23. > :28:26.of 3 million apprentices by 2020. If they are going to get anywhere
:28:27. > :28:29.near that, a lot of that will be rebadging of existing training
:28:30. > :28:32.but there are a lot of companies who hope to use apprenticeships
:28:33. > :28:35.as a means of tapping talent pools that the universities have not
:28:36. > :28:39.been able to attract. Many of the professions where people
:28:40. > :28:42.will have assumed they were recruiting at degree level are now
:28:43. > :28:46.considering recruiting at 18 and taking people through
:28:47. > :28:48.a higher apprenticeship For example, accountancy,
:28:49. > :28:52.management consultancy, nursing, these are areas
:28:53. > :28:56.where they are looking already at recruiting apprentices
:28:57. > :28:59.and many of the other professions are looking at how they might
:29:00. > :29:01.start bringing people VOICE-OVER: A school now
:29:02. > :29:07.of more orthodox kind, although there is not much orthodox
:29:08. > :29:10.about this place of learning. The apprenticeship levy may only be
:29:11. > :29:13.causing of a public argument within teaching but don't
:29:14. > :29:16.think its effects will be Quietly, across the country,
:29:17. > :29:21.employers are reshaping their training and recruitment
:29:22. > :29:23.plans so they can recoup Taking a bow at the Albert Hall
:29:24. > :29:34.in front of a rapturous Proms audience right about now
:29:35. > :29:36.is a musical legend who says he wanted to be a gangster
:29:37. > :29:39.until he was 11, and no, The Prom was a mash-up of the jazz,
:29:40. > :29:44.pop and cinematic work of Quincy Jones, who's probably best
:29:45. > :29:47.known as the producer of Now 83, he can still deliver
:29:48. > :29:52.a pugnacious opinion. Tonight Smith meets Jones
:29:53. > :30:03.as our culture man caught up with the composer at
:30:04. > :30:27.rehearsals for his Prom. The last night of the Proms. Or a
:30:28. > :30:39.Young Conservative's idea of New Year's Eve as one wag called it.
:30:40. > :30:53.But look what they are doing to the Proms, they are dropping a bomb on
:30:54. > :31:05.them! With the jazz song book of Mr Quincy Jones. Your sharp. I had to
:31:06. > :31:12.make an effort! You do that every day, man. You are still out dressing
:31:13. > :31:21.me. I got this in China, I had them made up, I like them. Every time I
:31:22. > :31:30.go I get 28 suits! Look out, they're behind us. That was such a good time
:31:31. > :31:42.in England in the 60s. My son was born here. We were filming The
:31:43. > :31:47.Italian Job. I know you are asked all the time about Michael Jackson.
:31:48. > :31:52.Do you think ultimately that is a tragic story? It is a tragic story
:31:53. > :32:00.and we used to talk about it all the time. That's what I said a lot of
:32:01. > :32:05.stupid things after he died. Anyway. You cannot make record like that
:32:06. > :32:22.without extreme love, trust and respect.
:32:23. > :32:32.There were stories of him bringing snakes and things... And
:32:33. > :32:39.chimpanzees! I didn't like that. The snake used to wrap around me, around
:32:40. > :32:46.my leg and I didn't like that at all. It would crawl across the
:32:47. > :32:55.console. I'm not into snakes! So who won? He kept them. One day we went
:32:56. > :33:02.out and I said, there is Muscles? We went downstairs and he was in the
:33:03. > :33:06.parrot cage right there and he and the parrot didn't like it ever and
:33:07. > :33:20.he had just eaten the parrot and his head got stuck in the cage!
:33:21. > :33:27.We have lost some great people this year. The last two years, George
:33:28. > :33:35.Martin, David Bowie, it doesn't stop. It is just frightening. All my
:33:36. > :33:41.friends, I lost a lot of friends this year. Did you know David Bowie?
:33:42. > :33:48.Can you tell us about your time with him? Every year we would rent his
:33:49. > :33:54.yacht, he lived in Switzerland. Was he as good as everybody says? He
:33:55. > :33:57.was, the music can never be any more or less than you are as a human
:33:58. > :33:58.being and he was a great human being.
:33:59. > :34:01.When it comes to the musicians the composer has known and worked
:34:02. > :34:03.with, it's hard keeping up with Jones.
:34:04. > :34:08.Now what about the presidential election?
:34:09. > :34:16.I'll leave the country if that sucker won.
:34:17. > :34:18.I assume you're referring to Mr Trump.
:34:19. > :34:25.Very clever man and he knows how to say what they want to hear.
:34:26. > :34:28.Uneducated rednecks, he knows how to talk to them.
:34:29. > :34:33.I used to hang out with him. Did you?
:34:34. > :34:35.A lot, yeah. Were you friends at one time?
:34:36. > :34:39.Yeah, back then, but he wasn't like that, man, at all.
:34:40. > :34:45.He used to fly with his helicopter with his name on the bottom of it.
:34:46. > :34:49.And what about how things are in your country right now?
:34:50. > :34:51.We keep reading reports of these difficulties
:34:52. > :34:59.You should have seen the 30s, 40s and 50s.
:35:00. > :35:03.In the 30s in Chicago during the depression
:35:04. > :35:10.I wanted to be a gangster until I was 11.
:35:11. > :35:19.Or I saw were dead bodies and Tommy guns and piles of money in back
:35:20. > :35:24.rooms and all that stuff. This right there, I was in the wrong street and
:35:25. > :35:29.they took a switchblade and put my hand on the fence and right there
:35:30. > :35:40.was an ice pick. My daddy hit them in the head with a hammer.
:35:41. > :35:47.And as for racism, Jones remembers playing in Las Vegas in 1964,
:35:48. > :35:58.backing Frank Sinatra as part of the Count Basie Orchestra. Belafonte, in
:35:59. > :36:03.the kitchen, they couldn't go in, and sleep in a black hotel across
:36:04. > :36:09.town. We came there, and Frank said, we're not going to have that. The
:36:10. > :36:15.old man wants to see you at the slot machines, there was an old man and
:36:16. > :36:20.18 bodyguards. He said if anybody looks at him money, break both of
:36:21. > :36:25.their legs. Frank was tough! And he stopped racism there. So it was
:36:26. > :36:31.burgers with Sinatra on the strip but also fish with Picasso on the
:36:32. > :36:40.French Riviera. Didn't you live near Picasso for a while? Yes, in Cannes.
:36:41. > :36:50.We went to lunch one year. After he had finished, he would get the bones
:36:51. > :36:54.and put them onto La Croisette Cillessen could blunt them and he
:36:55. > :37:03.took the colours out of his pocket, blue and yellow and red and he put
:37:04. > :37:14.his designs on them. And the cheque. -- so the Sun could burn them.
:37:15. > :37:21.Unlike his fellow band leader, the late great James Brown, Jones said
:37:22. > :37:24.he would not dream of finding musicians for missing a beat. So
:37:25. > :37:33.what is the secret of getting the best out of them? It's love, man,
:37:34. > :37:36.come on, it's not necessary to be a disciplinarian. That's what I didn't
:37:37. > :37:45.like, what was that may be that won the Oscar? Whiplash. That is BS, no
:37:46. > :37:53.jazz magician would take that, get out of here.
:37:54. > :37:58.Thank you very much and thank you to Quincy Jones for the beautiful
:37:59. > :38:07.music. But before we go we are looking
:38:08. > :38:11.after the first in a sieve of performances from artists appearing
:38:12. > :38:15.at this year's Proms. -- a series called tonight we have the
:38:16. > :38:20.Zimbabwean singer Tempo magazine will be performing tomorrow. You can
:38:21. > :38:24.catch that on BBC for tomorrow night -- who will be performing.
:38:25. > :38:28.# Speak up cause the prophets seem to have gone to sleep
:38:29. > :38:32.# Make a war on terror, terror is taking its war out on me
:38:33. > :38:38.# Oh, why you gonna go and put the fuel into the middle of the fire
:38:39. > :38:45.# It's ablaze, and the temperature is slowly getting higher
:38:46. > :38:49.# We can talk about the heroes and the villains
:38:50. > :39:01.# We can hear about the heroes and the villains
:39:02. > :39:11.# Pins and needles shooting up and down all over me
:39:12. > :39:14.# Feels like true conviction, still, it's so hard to know what to believe
:39:15. > :39:21.# It's a game of smoke and mirrors all around me
:39:22. > :39:28.# Do you know the heroes and the villains in this town
:39:29. > :39:35.# We can talk about the heroes and the villains
:39:36. > :39:44.# We can hear about the heroes and the villains
:39:45. > :40:07.Rain pushing back across Northern Ireland overnight tonight will
:40:08. > :40:10.spread steadily across Scotland tomorrow making for a Dell and damp
:40:11. > :40:14.day for many bulls it could start of soggy in northern England with a
:40:15. > :40:18.grey and misty start in the south but for most it will be a cracking
:40:19. > :40:19.day if you like it warm and sunny with