:00:07. > :00:11.at the helm of the England football team is over,
:00:12. > :00:14.courtesy of the Daily Telegraph's hidden cameras.
:00:15. > :00:16.We agreed that his position was untenable
:00:17. > :00:27.We didn't get to the point where we had to consider sacking him.
:00:28. > :00:31.We'll ask a former sports minister and a football agent
:00:32. > :00:40.spot the coded words being used to subtly attack Jeremy Corbyn.
:00:41. > :00:56.Yes, it was the day that the non-Corbynites took
:00:57. > :00:59.to the stage, they made clear they're here, and they aren't
:01:00. > :01:01.giving in to the left, or giving up on Labour.
:01:02. > :01:04.I don't know why we've been focusing on what was wrong with
:01:05. > :01:07.the Blair and Brown governments for the last six years.
:01:08. > :01:09.But trashing our record is not the way to enhance our brand.
:01:10. > :01:17.We'll ask the question that won't go away -
:01:18. > :01:21.Also tonight, head to head for the first time.
:01:22. > :01:23.Donald supported the invasion of Iraq. Wrong!
:01:24. > :01:30.Wrong! That is proved over and over again.
:01:31. > :01:32.He actually advocated for the actions we took.
:01:33. > :01:35.He sniffed, She smiled, but what was it that really mattered
:01:36. > :01:52.It was one of the shortest management stints
:01:53. > :02:01.up there with Brian Clough's 44-day tenure as manager of Leeds.
:02:02. > :02:06.of England'S National Football team 67 days ago, is toast.
:02:07. > :02:09.Allardyce, who was caught in a sting by the Daily Telegraph,
:02:10. > :02:12.that he'd made a significant error of judgment.
:02:13. > :02:15.He was recorded apparently giving advice on how to "get around" rules
:02:16. > :02:20.After Fifa's long and tortuous problems,
:02:21. > :02:22.is the probity of English football now at stake?
:02:23. > :02:38.Behind that golf buddy, Sam Allardyce leaving Wembley tonight
:02:39. > :02:43.after just 67 days and one match as England manager. Caught out by a
:02:44. > :02:47.newspaper's secret recording, summoned to a crisis meeting and
:02:48. > :02:54.then... They called it mutual consent. As a governing body we have
:02:55. > :02:57.two hold ourselves to the higher standards and Sam admitted he hadn't
:02:58. > :03:02.met those standards and moved on because the governing body must
:03:03. > :03:07.lead. If we are going to be opinionated about how people behave
:03:08. > :03:11.in football we have to be held up to high standards ourselves. A problem.
:03:12. > :03:16.We dealt with it quickly and fairly and we've been transparent and here
:03:17. > :03:24.we are talking about it. You've not seen this one before! This was
:03:25. > :03:29.Allardyce barely two months ago. Appointed England manager, the job
:03:30. > :03:34.he'd always dreamt of. Big Sam with big dreams and bristling with
:03:35. > :03:39.confidence. I think I fit the chair. I hope I do. I think I have
:03:40. > :03:43.experience to Basson and challenge the England team and myself and I
:03:44. > :03:52.think I'm tough enough to take it. So, bring it on, hey, lads? Just 25
:03:53. > :04:02.days later, he was secretly recorded in what he believed was a meeting
:04:03. > :04:06.with a far East development firm. He mocked his predecessor and
:04:07. > :04:10.criticised the England setup. But this was the damning bit. Offering
:04:11. > :04:16.guidance on how to avoid rules on players owned by organisations other
:04:17. > :04:20.than football club is. A practice that is banned all over the world.
:04:21. > :04:29.Here is the England manager saying dodging it is not a problem.
:04:30. > :04:37.He makes third-party ownership sound trivial technical but for many in
:04:38. > :04:41.world football it is seen a scourge. High profile figures within the
:04:42. > :04:48.game, even the English game, prior to the restriction of third-party
:04:49. > :04:53.ownership said it was akin to human to, a modern form of slavery. Money
:04:54. > :05:00.that was flowing out of the game should be kept within the football
:05:01. > :05:05.family. Those that support it say it is a business transaction, akin to a
:05:06. > :05:10.loan of a player and a crucial part of football clubs finances around
:05:11. > :05:14.the world. Tonight, a statement from Saladin eyes himself. -- Sam
:05:15. > :05:44.Allardyce. Allardyce was placed ?3 million a
:05:45. > :05:49.year as England manager. But he was also secretly filmed appearing to
:05:50. > :05:55.accept a ?400,000 deal to offer advice and make speeches. Tonight,
:05:56. > :05:59.he's being portrayed as a symbol of the malaise within England football.
:06:00. > :06:05.I didn't think England could stoop any lower from what happened in the
:06:06. > :06:10.summer to Iceland. Here we are, a laughing stock of world football.
:06:11. > :06:16.Have we got a problem with money in our game? We've got a problem. It's
:06:17. > :06:23.greed, isn't it? There is so much money in our game. People demand and
:06:24. > :06:30.ask for more. From dreams of the World Cup to a hasty exit, big Sam
:06:31. > :06:32.has gone but he's left English football with a great big mess.
:06:33. > :06:46.We can date this crisis from the Daily Telegraph of yesterday and now
:06:47. > :06:52.we have tomorrow's Daily Telegraph. More revelations about the conduct
:06:53. > :06:55.of Premier League managers. Allegations that eight former and
:06:56. > :07:02.current managers have been guilty of some kind of misconduct, taking
:07:03. > :07:07.inducements. It adds to a feeling of soul searching that is taking an
:07:08. > :07:11.English football. We saw a very rapid response from the FA, an
:07:12. > :07:18.organisation that in the past has dithered. That isn't a coincidence.
:07:19. > :07:26.Greg Clark is new to the job, barely a month into it, he paid a key role
:07:27. > :07:28.in saying that Sam Allardyce had to go.
:07:29. > :07:30.Joining me now to discuss Sam Allardyce's departure
:07:31. > :07:32.is football agent Sky Andrew, who has represented
:07:33. > :07:33.England internationals Sol Campbell and Jermain Defoe.
:07:34. > :07:37.And from Sheffield, the former Sports Minister, Richard Caborn.
:07:38. > :07:46.Richard, was this the right decision? Absolutely. No doubt. This
:07:47. > :07:52.goes to the core integrity of the sport. Third-party ownership was
:07:53. > :07:55.banned in this country and then by Uefa and the fat and now we have an
:07:56. > :08:01.England manager saying that we can get around it. What is important to
:08:02. > :08:06.note is that the discussion is not just about Sam Allardyce. According
:08:07. > :08:10.to the papers today there are a lot more implications for others. There
:08:11. > :08:16.ought to be an independent enquiry by the FA. I congratulate the FA for
:08:17. > :08:25.the action they have taken today but now they have got to move and set up
:08:26. > :08:36.some type of in the -- some type of independent enquiry. They have been
:08:37. > :08:45.saying that Fifa need to get their house in order and now the FA need
:08:46. > :08:53.to move as well. Sky, would you say that this is an error of judgment?
:08:54. > :08:58.The sad thing is it is another England manager gone for
:08:59. > :09:04.non-footballing reasons but it is an important reason. Third-party
:09:05. > :09:09.ownership was banned in 2008 by the FA and Fifa bandit last year.
:09:10. > :09:11.Players need to be able to make their own decisions and third-party
:09:12. > :09:18.ownership doesn't allow that. Looking at the Daily Telegraph
:09:19. > :09:22.tomorrow, eight managers past and present accused of taking transfer
:09:23. > :09:28.bungs, do you recognise this picture? The problem with that is,
:09:29. > :09:32.whenever we hear these accusations, no one is ever named. I don't think
:09:33. > :09:38.anyone can take it seriously until people are named. This leaves
:09:39. > :09:44.English football with a major problem. Trying to find a manager
:09:45. > :09:52.who has got absolutely crystal clear history and a clear way of going
:09:53. > :09:57.forward. The sad thing is with this story is at a human angle, here is a
:09:58. > :10:02.guy with a lifelong ambition to be England manager is gone overnight. I
:10:03. > :10:06.think the FA are very serious about the issue of third-party ownership.
:10:07. > :10:11.The public have got to understand that this is something that everyone
:10:12. > :10:15.across the world is trying to stop because players are literally owned
:10:16. > :10:21.by an individual or a third party on the economic rights. We have got Rio
:10:22. > :10:27.Ferdinand and Alan Shearer saying that England football is the
:10:28. > :10:33.laughing stock of world football. How did it get to this point? To
:10:34. > :10:38.some extent, it's true but let's be clear that this goes to the heart of
:10:39. > :10:43.football. The integrity of football. For summary to say this is not a
:10:44. > :10:47.footballing issue is naive or ducking the issue. It is about the
:10:48. > :10:55.integrity of football and how it is regulated and run. You talk about an
:10:56. > :10:59.independent enquiry, writing in the Telegraph tomorrow, Damian Collins,
:11:00. > :11:04.the acting chairman of the Commons culture, media and sport committee
:11:05. > :11:12.says that the FA seems incapable of rigorously enforcing the owners test
:11:13. > :11:17.to keep unsuitable people out of the game. The FA have dealt with the
:11:18. > :11:21.issue and in my opinion are absolutely right. What they ought to
:11:22. > :11:26.do now is say there are further allegations, this needs a wider
:11:27. > :11:32.enquiry but it needs to be independent and... So people have
:11:33. > :11:36.some faith in the regulation of English football. That is what is at
:11:37. > :11:41.stake. Therefore, the FA need to take that type of action to bring
:11:42. > :11:47.the credibility of the game back. We've got an interim manager. How
:11:48. > :11:51.quickly is it going to be to get a new manager in before the World Cup
:11:52. > :11:56.qualifiers? The FA need to act quickly. They have got to do their
:11:57. > :11:59.due diligence even better this time. Thank you very much indeed.
:12:00. > :12:01.Well, I'll be back later on the programme with our
:12:02. > :12:03.analysis of the first American Presidential debate.
:12:04. > :12:09.But let's join Evan now in Liverpool at Labour Party Conference.
:12:10. > :12:12.The Corbyn wing is on top here, but today, it was the turn
:12:13. > :12:16.of the non-Corbynites to stand their ground.
:12:17. > :12:19.Now this is a very strange time, no-one here wants to admit publicly
:12:20. > :12:22.that there is a divide in Labour at least as wide as the Mersey,
:12:23. > :12:25.but any unity is on the surface only, and sometimes not even that.
:12:26. > :12:28.Two big characters were on stage today: Tom Watson,
:12:29. > :12:29.legendary party fixer, deputy leader,
:12:30. > :12:30.one time right-hand man of Gordon Brown.
:12:31. > :12:35.Sadiq Khan, the London Mayor and the Labour man with the biggest
:12:36. > :12:38.personal mandate in the country, also up there.
:12:39. > :12:43.Both talked of needing to win elections or get into power.
:12:44. > :12:45.Such is the weirdness of the struggle in the party,
:12:46. > :12:52.were seen as designed to attack Jeremy Corbyn.
:12:53. > :12:55.Well, I'm with Jon Ashworth, Shadow Cabinet member,
:12:56. > :12:58.he'll tell us otherwise in a few minutes, but our political editor
:12:59. > :13:18.Nick Watt is an expert deciphering these kinds of events.
:13:19. > :13:25.It had seemed to be a relatively smooth journey, all wings of the
:13:26. > :13:33.party coming to terms with Jeremy Corbyn's victory but today the
:13:34. > :13:34.waters became distinctly choppy. Labour's deputy leader, who's
:13:35. > :13:42.remained diplomatic during the troubled summer finally gave vent to
:13:43. > :13:46.his frustration. I don't know why we've been focusing on what was
:13:47. > :13:52.wrong with the Blair and Brown governments for the last six years.
:13:53. > :13:57.Trashing our record is not the way to enhance our brand. We won't win
:13:58. > :14:08.elections like that. And we need to win elections! Jeremy Corbyn took
:14:09. > :14:14.some time to join in the applause. And for some in the audience,
:14:15. > :14:22.Watson's speech went too far. Jeremy, I don't think she got the
:14:23. > :14:27.unity memo. There's a certain poignancy that it is in Liverpool
:14:28. > :14:32.where the scene of the battles with the militant tendency in the 1980s
:14:33. > :14:36.that Tom Watson publicly confronted the central belief system of the
:14:37. > :14:37.Labour left. The scene is now set for an ongoing and historic
:14:38. > :14:56.showdown. You cannot play politics with
:14:57. > :15:01.people's jobs and services. The man who was in his sights popped up at
:15:02. > :15:05.the conference. I don't get Tom Watson. 12 months ago I was having a
:15:06. > :15:09.drink with him saying to him that I support him for deputy leader and I
:15:10. > :15:13.paid a few quid into his campaign. The way he's changed is
:15:14. > :15:21.unbelievable. Many people say he's always been a playwright, he's come
:15:22. > :15:27.back to his roots -- always been our Blairite. I view it with regret
:15:28. > :15:33.rather than anger. But Tom Watson's fans drew strength from his
:15:34. > :15:40.impassioned speech. This week, we are bringing those different
:15:41. > :15:47.divisions together again. Tom laid out a route map for us to do that,
:15:48. > :15:54.how we can make them relevant to the modern world. In so doing we can
:15:55. > :16:04.make ourselves popular. It is a brilliant speech and it has got me
:16:05. > :16:07.fired up. The leader of one of Britain's's trade unions thought it
:16:08. > :16:12.provided a reminder of the importance of heading for
:16:13. > :16:16.government. It is great having 500,000 members but there are 41
:16:17. > :16:23.million voters. We are with Jeremy but we are not a fan club. Today,
:16:24. > :16:28.Jeremy Corbyn will bring the conference to a close. Critics have
:16:29. > :16:29.a few days to decide whether they are on board ahead of a reshuffle
:16:30. > :16:32.next week. Well, someone said the war
:16:33. > :16:34.in the party is like herpes. Every time you think it may be
:16:35. > :16:37.settling down, Jon Ashworth is with me,
:16:38. > :16:40.not generally seen as a Corbyn supporter but is still
:16:41. > :16:51.in the Shadow Cabinet. Evening. Does Tom Watson want to be
:16:52. > :16:57.leader? I'm still trying to come to terms with that metaphor. Don't
:16:58. > :17:01.worry, it was inappropriate. I don't think that was a leadership bid. I
:17:02. > :17:06.think he is right to say we made an error by not defending the record of
:17:07. > :17:13.the past Labour government. We were not prepared to take on the Tory
:17:14. > :17:19.argument that somehow Labour completely wrecked the economy. I
:17:20. > :17:23.think he's right that we should be defending the good things they did.
:17:24. > :17:30.You had quite a bit of reminding the party they need to fight elections,
:17:31. > :17:36.every reform was because of Labour. Why do you need to remind your party
:17:37. > :17:42.that they need to win elections? Is anybody arguing against that? Of
:17:43. > :17:46.course not. We've been through a divisive summer and we've got to
:17:47. > :17:52.pull together and take on the Tories. Next year, the Prime
:17:53. > :17:57.Minister might go for a general election, who knows. But we
:17:58. > :18:01.certainly got county council elections, mayoral elections, we've
:18:02. > :18:07.got to win them and get campaigning. Are you meeting any resistance on
:18:08. > :18:13.that? It is very striking how much your wing of the party are
:18:14. > :18:26.emphasising, power, winning elections. I think Jeremy wants us
:18:27. > :18:31.to win elections. He is going to campaign against the return to
:18:32. > :18:40.grammar schools. It is a very tall order. Does it feel that the party
:18:41. > :18:45.is united at the moment? We've had a difficult summer. Those of us who
:18:46. > :18:50.think we need to pull together have got to unify. When we go back to
:18:51. > :18:55.Parliament we've got to be an effective front bench. I think it's
:18:56. > :19:02.a very weak Tory government that we can exploit, the lack of fiscal is,
:19:03. > :19:14.that they don't have a plan for Brexit, there's loads that we can be
:19:15. > :19:18.doing. He says tomorrow we need to end trench warfare. Everybody is
:19:19. > :19:23.saying exactly what you've just said, you don't need to probe very
:19:24. > :19:37.hard to find still an enormous amount of anger and jostling for
:19:38. > :19:49.position in his party. The people we are letting down by not unifying...
:19:50. > :19:57.For many people who have interpreted this request to think about winning
:19:58. > :20:02.elections are wrong to think it is a coded attack? I make the same speech
:20:03. > :20:08.every year where I say we need to get out and campaign. One of the
:20:09. > :20:13.things to reflect on his Labour is in power in certain places, London
:20:14. > :20:17.and Wales. There is a contrast between what you get when they are
:20:18. > :20:25.in power and the Labour that is framing and discussing things here.
:20:26. > :20:32.Isn't there? In what way? Today, we basically learned Jewish and fees
:20:33. > :20:42.are going to go up from ?4000 to ?9,000. The Welsh government are
:20:43. > :20:49.going to implement a plan to scrap the ?5,000 tuition fee grant so they
:20:50. > :20:56.will be paying the same tuition fees as England. That is a Welsh Labour
:20:57. > :21:04.Government, today, not even being discussed. That is the logic of
:21:05. > :21:10.devolution, that is the system we are in. But you are happy to see
:21:11. > :21:17.them go up? I would rather they did not pursue that policy. But whatever
:21:18. > :21:24.they've decided, I don't know enough about it. They've got the power to
:21:25. > :21:30.raise income tax. There is still time for them to change their minds.
:21:31. > :21:35.All the signs are tuition fees will go to ?9,000. Jeremy Corbyn has
:21:36. > :21:38.clearly given the impression. He said, I want to apologise on behalf
:21:39. > :21:43.of the Labour Party to the last generation of students. It is
:21:44. > :21:48.clearly a different position to the UK Labour Party but devolved parties
:21:49. > :21:54.can make those decisions. Does it tell you that when Labour gets into
:21:55. > :22:01.power it needs to be different from the Jeremy Corbyn party? Sadiq Khan
:22:02. > :22:05.implied that the case. When Labour gets into power, as they have done
:22:06. > :22:12.in Wales, and cities like Bristol and my own, Leicester, the Labour
:22:13. > :22:19.leaders put together a package of policies which have broad appeal to
:22:20. > :22:23.the electorate and that is what Jeremy and his team have to do. Put
:22:24. > :22:27.together a package that has broad appeal to mums and dads worried
:22:28. > :22:30.about childcare, appeals to people worried about the state of
:22:31. > :22:35.education, appeals to people who are so fed up that their wages have been
:22:36. > :22:39.stagnant for the last ten years. Actually, those policies are not
:22:40. > :22:48.crazy or socialist left-wing, they are common sense policies and we
:22:49. > :22:55.need to talk about them more. Just think about how the party has
:22:56. > :22:59.changed. One of the main ones is Sadiq Khan, who was not much known
:23:00. > :23:06.until he was selected for a candidacy. We caught him up today
:23:07. > :23:15.for a quick hello. He was basically repeating the message that defines
:23:16. > :23:21.the divide of this conference. Labour is so far from power. Are you
:23:22. > :23:25.a beacon of hope? I've been described as many things and I will
:23:26. > :23:31.take that. The key thing is we've got big elections across the
:23:32. > :23:36.country, we need to Windows. We need to Windows why? Those cities and
:23:37. > :23:41.regions need Labour representation. Speaking as the Mayor of London, the
:23:42. > :23:45.greatest prize is winning the general election. That is what
:23:46. > :23:51.Labour is all about. The strong point is, look at the Labour Party's
:23:52. > :23:55.history, whether it is the creation of the NHS, legal aid, the Human
:23:56. > :24:05.Rights Act, we did those by winning elections. Winning elections. Here
:24:06. > :24:07.with me is Ed Miliband's former adviser, Owen Jones from the
:24:08. > :24:16.Guardian and Matty Parish from the Times. Is the party united? I think
:24:17. > :24:20.people will try to unite but underneath it it will be hard.
:24:21. > :24:26.Nobody thinks we will come together and be some happy clappy family. But
:24:27. > :24:34.there is an acceptance even from moderates. You either step up and
:24:35. > :24:38.serve properly or you go to the backbenches and get on with what
:24:39. > :24:43.you're doing. But you can just carry on the constant sniping. There's a
:24:44. > :24:56.feeling you've got to accept the scale of the defeat. Let him succeed
:24:57. > :25:02.or fail on his own terms. I think Labour is more united than people
:25:03. > :25:08.give it credit for. Ideological age there are far greater divisions in
:25:09. > :25:10.the 1980s. These days, on all wings of the Labour Party there is quite a
:25:11. > :25:23.lot of consensus tax Justice, workers'
:25:24. > :25:31.rights, there's not actually, when it comes to it, a massive division.
:25:32. > :25:38.I think freedom of movement is going to be quite a divisive issue. It is
:25:39. > :25:40.not a left- right issue. You remind me that even the Tories agree with
:25:41. > :25:57.quite a lot of what you're seeing. Of course they are not united, Owen
:25:58. > :26:02.speaks to the victors and Jeremy Corbyn has one. Labour can find
:26:03. > :26:07.unity if the moderates accept defeat and I agree, in a sense, they have
:26:08. > :26:13.to accept that if the party is to be united. I don't think they should,
:26:14. > :26:17.but... The question is, you can have unity, slightly dead eyed unity
:26:18. > :26:26.where we get together and move away from the public, that is not great
:26:27. > :26:30.for the general outcome. Labour needs to be a broad church. The idea
:26:31. > :26:37.that the left of the party have conquered that is not borne out by
:26:38. > :26:43.the reality. If people can go through issues where there is a
:26:44. > :26:50.genuine ideological chasm, I don't think it's there. On the main issues
:26:51. > :26:54.it takes quite a lot. The remark that we no longer need to whisper
:26:55. > :27:03.the name of socialism, that is not a broad church. Do you know the only
:27:04. > :27:11.leadership candidate who used socialism? It was Tony Blair. I
:27:12. > :27:16.don't think a Shadow Chancellor talking about socialism at a Labour
:27:17. > :27:20.Party conference is a new thing. The truth is the policies. Not all of
:27:21. > :27:24.this is about policy, there is a cultural divide in the party. You've
:27:25. > :27:29.got to be honest about that. I think we've got to try and find some way
:27:30. > :27:38.of coming together, mainly because we are so exhausted by fighting.
:27:39. > :27:44.Everybody is spent. I agree with Matthew, the moderates, and I am a
:27:45. > :27:51.moderate, we've got to accept. I'm not an extremist! We've got to
:27:52. > :27:56.accept that we lost. We made a really stupid challenge and we lost
:27:57. > :28:02.badly. You guys won and you can do what you want. What happens to the
:28:03. > :28:12.moderates, I don't know what we call them? What do they do? Do they find
:28:13. > :28:18.another job? They give in, they run up the whitefly, some of them will
:28:19. > :28:22.toe the line, others, most, I suspect, slink away from politics
:28:23. > :28:28.and don't stand again in the next election. Quite a few will be afraid
:28:29. > :28:35.of being reselected. That is the only kind of Labour Unity now
:28:36. > :28:52.available. That is very sad for the political centre. I think all sides
:28:53. > :28:56.need to give and take. They need to accept they have the biggest
:28:57. > :28:59.Democratic party in Western Europe, but the leadership should oppose
:29:00. > :29:05.mandatory reselection so MPs don't feel that threat. Have a portion of
:29:06. > :29:13.the Shadow Cabinet elected by MPs. That is a compromise. You always
:29:14. > :29:22.say, focus on these internal divisions, but there is lots of
:29:23. > :29:25.scope for common ground. What I'm suggesting, which is basically that
:29:26. > :29:31.the Labour moderates should not give up without a fight, should not go
:29:32. > :29:35.for unity, should stand up for themselves, could be fatal to the
:29:36. > :29:40.Conservative Party in a period where I think the Conservative Party will
:29:41. > :29:46.be in all kinds of trouble. What you are suggesting, Labour should unite
:29:47. > :29:53.around the Jeremy Corbyn line is fine for the Conservatives. We need
:29:54. > :29:57.to be honest. If you've spent the summer doing tearful interviews
:29:58. > :30:01.about how bad Jeremy Corbyn was and you think he is not fit for purpose
:30:02. > :30:09.you cannot crawl back and say I've had a huge conversion.
:30:10. > :30:16.Can the non-Corbyn wing ever get the keys back to the vehicle? Some of
:30:17. > :30:21.them are trying to find half a million mainstream, moderate members
:30:22. > :30:29.will stop people don't join a party like that. We've not focused on
:30:30. > :30:35.policy issues. I think it should be about policy issues. If MPs think
:30:36. > :30:41.Labour is heading for a terrible defeat and they want the leadership
:30:42. > :30:45.to own it, then many members will say it is your fault. If the
:30:46. > :30:50.leadership is seen to give ground and give an inspiring alternative
:30:51. > :30:57.that resonates with people, then people who rebelled against
:30:58. > :31:07.Corbynista can say that they had big grievances but they have changed.
:31:08. > :31:11.Owen, you would support Corbyn but Mark two has to be different to Marc
:31:12. > :31:21.Warren. Are you seeing evidence that he has learned or picked up what he
:31:22. > :31:28.needed to do? He was re-elected three days ago but I think there are
:31:29. > :31:33.promising signs. There's no sign at all. They are rampant, they have
:31:34. > :31:38.one. They are talking as though they have one, growing, and good luck to
:31:39. > :31:43.them. Labour MPs don't understand that over the next three and a half
:31:44. > :31:48.years there is a huge opportunity for them. A Conservative Party who
:31:49. > :31:55.has been returned with a mandate that she can't possibly fulfil. They
:31:56. > :31:57.are ready to split. If Labour MPs in the House of Commons were to unite
:31:58. > :32:04.and oppose the government and in the lobbies, they have enormous
:32:05. > :32:09.potential power. Next week's story, the Tory party conference. The three
:32:10. > :32:14.of you are going to hang around and do a Facebook live thing. You can
:32:15. > :32:21.put your questions to them. We will go and get a drink and go to a quiet
:32:22. > :32:25.space. Go to our Facebook page and you will see as. Facebook live.
:32:26. > :32:27.Tomorrow, Jeremy Corbyn takes to the stage -
:32:28. > :32:35.Donald Trump began his own post-match analysis almost
:32:36. > :32:38.as soon as he stepped off the podium after last night's
:32:39. > :32:40.first Presidential Debate which ranged over trade,
:32:41. > :32:41.race, foreign policy, temperament - his.
:32:42. > :32:44.He claimed his microphone was defective,
:32:45. > :32:46.he insisted he didn't sniff his way through the debate,
:32:47. > :32:48.and that Hillary Clinton did not get under his skin.
:32:49. > :32:51.He said he's really eased up because he didn't want to hurt
:32:52. > :32:55.anyone's feelings, and he may hit her harder next time.
:32:56. > :32:57.With a background of tightening polls the consensus
:32:58. > :33:00.among the pundits was that Hillary Clinton edged it.
:33:01. > :33:02.So much for the opinion, here's Emily to take us
:33:03. > :33:15.First number of the night, 30, the minutes which matter when the
:33:16. > :33:23.audience is switched on. Trump dominates, he opens well, crawling
:33:24. > :33:28.Clinton on the trade deals. The worst trade deal ever signed in this
:33:29. > :33:34.country. He accuses Hillary Clinton of flip-flopping on the transpacific
:33:35. > :33:39.partnership deal, which she did. You know that if you did win, you would
:33:40. > :33:53.have proved that. That would almost be as bad as Nafta. The next number
:33:54. > :33:59.is zero. The amount of federal tax that Donald Trump admits to paying.
:34:00. > :34:04.Maybe he wouldn't want you to know that he has paid nothing in federal
:34:05. > :34:09.tax. The only times he has had two was when he had to turn his taxes
:34:10. > :34:19.over to federal authorities when he was trying to open a casino. That
:34:20. > :34:29.makes me smart. That's rate. Right. He did say he was smart not to pay
:34:30. > :34:36.tax. Trump offers to release his tax returns if she releases her lost
:34:37. > :34:41.e-mails. She concedes error. If I had to do it over again, I would do
:34:42. > :34:51.it differently. The night was always am elated by fact checking and lies.
:34:52. > :34:56.34 false claims for Donald Trump and four false claims for Hillary
:34:57. > :35:02.Clinton and to misleading for both. But Donald Trump was by far the most
:35:03. > :35:05.dishonest. But after half an hour the growing realisation that there
:35:06. > :35:23.is an extra player in this debate. John's knows. HE SNIFFS. We reckon
:35:24. > :35:30.about 15 sniffles. It spawned its own Twitter account. Who had what
:35:31. > :35:37.pundits might call possession of the argument? 17 interruptions by
:35:38. > :35:42.Clinton of Trump. And 51 by Trump of Clinton. There's nothing crazy about
:35:43. > :35:48.not letting our companies bring their money... It would be
:35:49. > :35:53.squandered too, believe me. And don't forget Lester Holt who gets
:35:54. > :36:01.interrupted as well. You supported the war in Iraq before the
:36:02. > :36:05.invasion,... I did not support the war in Iraq. That is mainstream
:36:06. > :36:12.media nonsense put out by her. I was against the war in Iraq. The record
:36:13. > :36:18.shows otherwise. The record does not. The record shows I am right.
:36:19. > :36:27.When Lester gives up, Hillary steps in. It is proved over and over
:36:28. > :36:37.again. How does it all end? Percentage who thought Clinton won?
:36:38. > :36:42.According to CNN, 62%. PPP gave 51%. A typical bounce of between two and
:36:43. > :36:47.four percentage points. No wonder she couldn't resist this smoked
:36:48. > :36:54.weed. By usual metrics she won this debate
:36:55. > :37:01.people watching the debate were a little more democratic than the
:37:02. > :37:04.electorate as a whole. People who chew them might not be the people
:37:05. > :37:09.trying to make up their minds and they may not be the same people who
:37:10. > :37:14.turn out as an election day. The only number that matters on election
:37:15. > :37:18.day is this one. The number of electoral college votes needed to
:37:19. > :37:23.win the presidency. Trump has proved that none of the usual rules of
:37:24. > :37:27.engagement apply to him. The debate is a party piece of entertainment
:37:28. > :37:30.and rather than political intent. Maybe no different.
:37:31. > :37:33.Let's talk now to Joe Klein, political columnist for Time
:37:34. > :37:35.magazine and the font of wisdom on Presidential politics
:37:36. > :37:49.Good evening to you. Good evening. The fact that many pundits said
:37:50. > :37:54.Hillary Clinton had done a better job kind of misses the point,
:37:55. > :37:59.doesn't it? I don't know. Let me start off with a couple of things. I
:38:00. > :38:04.want to issue an apology is on the part of the American people to the
:38:05. > :38:09.rest of the world for Donald Trump who really behaved like an infant
:38:10. > :38:13.last night. Secondly, having listened to the previous
:38:14. > :38:18.conversation about British politics, it's reassuring to see that you are
:38:19. > :38:23.as screwed up as we are. Donald Trump is like any other candidate.
:38:24. > :38:28.There is no real measurement. You look at debates in the past and you
:38:29. > :38:33.can't imagine a debate like this. He doesn't play by political rules. And
:38:34. > :38:41.people like him for that. Some people like him for that, other
:38:42. > :38:47.people are horrified. He has a firm 40% of the population at this point
:38:48. > :38:51.who see this contest as more reality TV than reality and he can be
:38:52. > :39:00.entertaining. He wasn't entertaining last night. He was imprudent,
:39:01. > :39:10.impertinent, he didn't make the arguments that he might have made.
:39:11. > :39:13.It was really incompetent. We heard 80 million watched the debate and
:39:14. > :39:19.for many of them it would have been their introduction to this campaign.
:39:20. > :39:25.Once the debates start, they pay attention. On the basis of that
:39:26. > :39:29.debate alone, you talk about him being all but crazy but actually a
:39:30. > :39:36.lot of people out there are looking at him and possibly liking some of
:39:37. > :39:43.the things he said about jobs, about trade and so forth. Well, that's
:39:44. > :39:49.true and it's too bad we didn't have a chance to get into that because
:39:50. > :39:55.his positions on those issues are nonsensical. He called the North
:39:56. > :40:02.American free act agreement passed by Bill Clinton in 1993 having been
:40:03. > :40:07.negotiated by George HW Bush, he called it the worst disaster in
:40:08. > :40:17.history but every balanced economist that I've read on this issue says
:40:18. > :40:24.that Nafta has been awash, providing some good things and bad things on
:40:25. > :40:29.both sides. His exaggerations play to the populist element in our
:40:30. > :40:36.country, as you have in your country, that doesn't really think
:40:37. > :40:46.beyond the reflective reaction that," those Mexicans are taking our
:40:47. > :40:51.jobs." He had a line, you have tried that for 30 years, the idea is he is
:40:52. > :40:58.doing something different. Is that his plan? Will he be pushing that
:40:59. > :41:03.until November? If he is competent to do so but he doesn't seem to be.
:41:04. > :41:08.He walked into that debate with a very strong argument on national
:41:09. > :41:12.security. It was that Hillary Clinton has supported some very
:41:13. > :41:18.disastrous actions on the part of the US government, she voted for the
:41:19. > :41:23.war in Iraq, she supported President Obama's expansion of the war in
:41:24. > :41:30.Afghanistan and she supported the Nato action in Libya. There are an
:41:31. > :41:36.awful lot of people who agree with him about this. He seems unable, the
:41:37. > :41:42.guy has the attention span of a fruit fly, he seems to be unable to
:41:43. > :41:47.press an argument and that was true on a number of different subjects
:41:48. > :41:52.last night. Which is why, you know, I think most pundits say he lost.
:41:53. > :41:56.However, most pundits have been wrong about Donald Trump as you
:41:57. > :41:59.pointed out from the very beginning. It's impossible to say yet what
:42:00. > :42:03.actually happened last night in terms of how the American people
:42:04. > :42:10.responded to it. Thank you very much. Lovely to hear from you.
:42:11. > :42:14.That's all we have time for. Until tomorrow night, a very good night.
:42:15. > :42:30.The weather is quiet out there now but we have some very strong winds
:42:31. > :42:35.that won't reach as until Thursday. Mostly the northern half of the UK.
:42:36. > :42:45.Here's a look at Wednesday. We have some cloud and rain on the way.
:42:46. > :42:51.Notice the north of Scotland, overcast, even further south, across
:42:52. > :42:56.the Lake District and Pennines, some light rain on and off. The best
:42:57. > :43:00.weather will be in Lincolnshire, East Anglia, certainly the
:43:01. > :43:07.south-east. Temperatures up to around 21 degrees. Not looking so
:43:08. > :43:08.bad along the south coast. Cornwall, Devon, here at times, there will