:00:00. > :00:00.Words can no longer capture the reality of life in Aleppo..
:00:07. > :00:11.We'll bring you recent footage of doctors working
:00:12. > :00:16.doing their utmost to help children in the most desperate conditions.
:00:17. > :00:19.It is difficult viewing, but no-one watching the pictures
:00:20. > :00:21.coming out the city can say they were never told
:00:22. > :00:29.We'll ask this rescue worker in Aleppo why
:00:30. > :00:38.Also tonight Ryhall ladies and gentlemen, please well, Jeremy
:00:39. > :00:42.Corbyn. Also tonight we send Newsnight's man
:00:43. > :00:45.of the people Chris Cook on the road to see how Corbyn is playing
:00:46. > :00:48.in the bellweather constituencies. Now that I have listened
:00:49. > :00:53.to him properly. With Tony Blair, I only voted
:00:54. > :00:56.for him, I never liked the bloke anyway, but he was
:00:57. > :01:12.the better of the options. Our previous Newsnight man is here
:01:13. > :01:15.to put the case for word. Tony Blair 's speech writer may disagree.
:01:16. > :01:19.And we relive the era of Prog Rock, in case you didn't realise how
:01:20. > :01:27.What seemed like a worldwide revolution about changing the way
:01:28. > :01:32.the world is, looking for a better place,, their Age of Aquarius was on
:01:33. > :01:37.our doorstep as well. Hello, The words to describe
:01:38. > :01:40.the plight of the city of Aleppo However, with the help of doctors
:01:41. > :01:44.there, we can show you recent The background is that
:01:45. > :01:47.the rebel-held eastern part of the city is under siege
:01:48. > :01:50.and is victim to a sustained assault by the Syrian government; terror has
:01:51. > :01:53.been rained upon the residents for days, surpassing some
:01:54. > :01:55.of extremes of brutality Today, two hospitals were struck,
:01:56. > :02:02.and it is inside a hospital, Many would say that
:02:03. > :02:08.if what you are about to see is not classed as a war crime,
:02:09. > :02:11.then it should be. John Sweeney has been looking though
:02:12. > :02:28.the footage and obviously I should Imagine if your local hospital
:02:29. > :02:32.looked like this. No water, no time to clean up the blood and where the
:02:33. > :02:43.living live cheek by jowl with the dead. This is Aleppo under siege in
:02:44. > :02:49.an underground hospital. The war in Syria gets more pitiless by the day,
:02:50. > :02:54.the bombing of Aleppo is relentless. Early this morning, blasts from a
:02:55. > :02:58.bomb caused concrete to fall on the intensive care unit in the hospital
:02:59. > :03:05.and knocked out its oxygen generator. On Sunday, cluster bombs
:03:06. > :03:11.some with a new factor marks by Russia, blasted Aleppo. The hospital
:03:12. > :03:15.had 180 patients, ten died and on Monday 27 patients died, amongst
:03:16. > :03:22.them seven children. We cannot check those numbers, but these images are
:03:23. > :03:26.not make-believe. This is brain surgery carried out on the floor
:03:27. > :03:39.because all the other bed in intensive care have been taken.
:03:40. > :03:45.When a cluster bomb explodes, it fires out ball bearings and one
:03:46. > :03:47.ended up here, according to this x-ray in the spine of this little
:03:48. > :04:05.boy. A second came through the back of
:04:06. > :04:15.this boy's head to end up behind his nose. A third landed in this
:04:16. > :04:25.patient's liver. This fragment here, we are trying to extract it, without
:04:26. > :04:35.injuring the elements of it. Oh my gosh! This is a big fragment here,
:04:36. > :04:41.actually. This is from a cluster bomb. What are we looking at? This
:04:42. > :04:48.man works for BBC Arabic and comes from Aleppo. He watched the footage
:04:49. > :04:54.we have been sent. What is it like being a patient this hospital? You
:04:55. > :05:01.have a very slim chance to survive. Because of the number of casualties
:05:02. > :05:04.and injuries, they cannot cope. They leave the casualties on the floor
:05:05. > :05:11.and they have to take care of the people who have the better chance to
:05:12. > :05:17.make it. That is the only way they can cope. They are under constant
:05:18. > :05:23.bombardment. Some of the images being sent from Aleppo cannot be
:05:24. > :05:31.shown. The next picture is off, I think it is a child, it is a mess of
:05:32. > :05:36.blood and concrete, the head may be decapitated. It may be one of the
:05:37. > :05:42.worst things I have ever seen and it is on broadcast of all. There is a
:05:43. > :05:47.problem with that. We are not sure we knew, the full horror of this
:05:48. > :05:53.war, we are not able to broadcast it. The news from the hospital is
:05:54. > :06:00.not all bleak. Two weeks ago, we saw this operation using a surgeon in
:06:01. > :06:03.London who directed his colleagues how to build a new job for this man.
:06:04. > :06:16.Now, he can talk. Tonight the life of this patient and
:06:17. > :06:24.the children with ball bearings in their bodies are in the hands of the
:06:25. > :06:26.doctors free Aleppo. That report was compiled by John Sweeney.
:06:27. > :06:28.Earlier this evening, we got an internet video phone
:06:29. > :06:30.connection to Aleppo, and I spoke to Ishmael al-Abdullah,
:06:31. > :06:33.who is with the White Helmets, a Syrian volunteer rescue group.
:06:34. > :06:36.I began by asking him whether most of the victims in Aleppo
:06:37. > :06:42.The most victims in Aleppo city are children.
:06:43. > :06:52.Because if you were a father and you are now in Aleppo city,
:06:53. > :06:58.if you have kids, you will not leave the kids, leave your house,
:06:59. > :07:01.and you will make them stay in your house.
:07:02. > :07:07.And when the air strike targeted your house, eventually,
:07:08. > :07:12.the kids will be under the rubble and will be injured.
:07:13. > :07:15.Because we don't have any schools, anything.
:07:16. > :07:27.and now they make them sleep more to consume less food.
:07:28. > :07:31.And this is why most of the kids are the victims in Aleppo.
:07:32. > :07:33.Ishmael, you have been to the hospitals that
:07:34. > :07:42.Can you just tell us what you saw when you visited those facilities?
:07:43. > :07:45.Actually, it's a big damage there, and destruction, and the nurse died
:07:46. > :07:52.And the hospital - it's not the first time
:07:53. > :07:57.Just three days ago, it was targeted, direct, actually.
:07:58. > :08:04.Everyone who gets injured, the first thing they say, OK,
:08:05. > :08:12.A dangerous place more than any place.
:08:13. > :08:18.The doctors who are working in those hospitals, they're real heroes.
:08:19. > :08:22.All that we have, just a few doctors in all Aleppo city,
:08:23. > :08:27.they are moving from hospital to another hospital.
:08:28. > :08:30.They stay in this hospital five hours, then they go to the other
:08:31. > :08:41.And everyone, everyone who works in the hospitals now are heroes,
:08:42. > :08:46.actually, because they are risking their lives,
:08:47. > :08:49.and they know in any moment they can be killed
:08:50. > :08:57.what is the situation in eastern Aleppo, quite apart
:08:58. > :09:05.I came to a bakery today, and many people who were gathering
:09:06. > :09:10.in the morning to get bread for their kids, for their families,
:09:11. > :09:14.and they were targeted by the air strike, the mortars,
:09:15. > :09:18.and many people died in that massacre.
:09:19. > :09:27.Again, it's not the first time they targeted the bakeries.
:09:28. > :09:40.A warplane was, and it still is in our sky,
:09:41. > :09:47.Do you ever think, we should give in, we should let Assad
:09:48. > :09:49.take this place over, because the siege
:09:50. > :09:56.No, because most of the people who are staying in Aleppo city now,
:09:57. > :10:07.When the road was open, they didn't go.
:10:08. > :10:11.They stayed to defend, to say no to the bombing.
:10:12. > :10:14.If the situation gets worse, I don't know.
:10:15. > :10:19.Maybe we will say something else, but up to now, people
:10:20. > :10:23.Ishmael al-Abdullah, thank you very much.
:10:24. > :10:32.In Liverpool it was Jeremy Corbyn's big day: his second
:10:33. > :10:36.An hour long, it was undoubtedly considerably more confidently
:10:37. > :10:41.More cleverly populist in its themes; I thought more
:10:42. > :10:45.aspiration, optimism and sunny socialist upland than you sometimes
:10:46. > :10:48.get, and a number of specific ideas in there too.
:10:49. > :10:52.But let's hear what our political editor thinks -
:10:53. > :11:06.What did you think? This was the best speech by Jeremy Corbyn on a
:11:07. > :11:10.national stage. One year into the job and after that challenge, this
:11:11. > :11:14.was the most fluent performance we have seen from him. There were
:11:15. > :11:18.messages for his critics who say you're only interested in leading a
:11:19. > :11:24.protest group and he said that campaigning was at the heart of the
:11:25. > :11:28.movement but it seeks to win power at a national and local level to
:11:29. > :11:32.improve lives. He did have messages for his supporters, he said it was
:11:33. > :11:39.right for him to apologise on behalf of the party for the Iraq war and we
:11:40. > :11:43.did hear the word that dare not speak its name, socialism. As he put
:11:44. > :11:47.at the party on an election footing, it appeared to be an attempt to
:11:48. > :11:51.reach out to the wider electorate and really explain some of the ideas
:11:52. > :12:00.and policies that would form the heart of an election campaign led by
:12:01. > :12:03.him, allowing councils to borrow against housing stock to allow extra
:12:04. > :12:06.homes to be built and encouraging children to learn an instrument
:12:07. > :12:12.through an arts Pupil Premium programme. His critics say, you can
:12:13. > :12:14.dream the greatest dreams, but unless you have economic
:12:15. > :12:21.credibility, no one will take you seriously. Jeremy Corbyn was the
:12:22. > :12:27.last act, what happens now? It looks like he will reshuffle his front
:12:28. > :12:30.bench before he reaches agreement with the Parliamentary label party
:12:31. > :12:36.on elections to the Shadow Cabinet. That will not happen until November.
:12:37. > :12:41.I spoke to two former frontbenchers who say they will go back and some
:12:42. > :12:45.of the people who are in favour of the elections oppose them a few
:12:46. > :12:50.years ago and they think that around a dozen will go back. But there is a
:12:51. > :12:56.much larger group of former frontbenchers who will not return,
:12:57. > :12:59.they have appointed the chairman of the PLP as they're informal shop
:13:00. > :13:02.steward and I spoke to one of them and they said we have heard about
:13:03. > :13:08.the Olive tree but we have not seen the olive branches yet. They want a
:13:09. > :13:10.clear undertaking from Jeremy Corbyn that he will discourage deselection
:13:11. > :13:12.selections and move on those elections.
:13:13. > :13:16.But everybody knows that is not the mainstream media that matters,
:13:17. > :13:19.not the pundits, not the members, it is what the public think that
:13:20. > :13:21.matters, which is why we sent Chris Cook to the marginal
:13:22. > :13:24.constituency of Bury North, in the north part of Bury,
:13:25. > :13:28.What did the folks there make of it, or at least the ones
:13:29. > :13:31.who we enticed into sitting down to watch the speech?
:13:32. > :13:34.Bury, on the outskirts of Manchester, was the home
:13:35. > :13:36.of Robert Peel, a man who transformed the Conservative
:13:37. > :13:42.And, in a pub that bears his name, we assembled a panel of voters
:13:43. > :13:51.One is a new voter, and three are winnable voters who have
:13:52. > :13:59.The issue that most divided this group was economics,
:14:00. > :14:05.specifically, Mr Corbyn's plans for more public spending.
:14:06. > :14:09.We've set out proposals for a national investment plan,
:14:10. > :14:11.with 500 billion of investment, to bring our broadband,
:14:12. > :14:19.our railways, housing and energy infrastructure up to scratch.
:14:20. > :14:22.To borrow 500 billion, did he say, or million?
:14:23. > :14:47.You've got to invest to get it back in. But what about the global
:14:48. > :14:56.financial crash? I agree, but equally, what are we going to do?
:14:57. > :15:02.Let the services like the NHS, our roads, you know, our
:15:03. > :15:07.infrastructure... We need to invest. And build a fairer Britain in a
:15:08. > :15:15.peaceful world. Thank you. CROWD CHEERS
:15:16. > :15:24.We have to make sure that... No one would disagree that corporate
:15:25. > :15:30.should be paying the right taxes. That's a given. I think adding an
:15:31. > :15:34.extra percentage to national insurance for all businesses is
:15:35. > :15:39.almost like throwing the baby out with the bath water, which is what
:15:40. > :15:41.he does with a number of policies, like zero-hour contracts.
:15:42. > :15:43.Mr Corbyn also set out a liberal position on immigration,
:15:44. > :15:45.which this group was pretty relaxed about.
:15:46. > :15:50.But they acknowledged others would disagree.
:15:51. > :16:00.Where are they going to go? It's an island. You can see that that will
:16:01. > :16:04.be a bit problematic. Precisely. It's not a racist point, it's...
:16:05. > :16:06.Still, Mr Corbyn impressed this group of voters, even
:16:07. > :16:18.I'd like to hear more about his plan to the economy, especially
:16:19. > :16:22.borrowing. I agree that austerity hasn't worked, but we've also seen
:16:23. > :16:28.that borrowing has worked in the past, so I'd like to see what his
:16:29. > :16:33.plans are to make it work. I think that speech was sound bites for
:16:34. > :16:37.people who feel left behind. I don't think it was the people who have an
:16:38. > :16:43.opinion. There was no meat on the bones. What he said was great, but
:16:44. > :16:47.nobody knows how he will do it. Would this make you more likely to
:16:48. > :16:54.vote for him? Yes, now I've listened to him properly. With Tony Blair, I
:16:55. > :16:59.never liked the blokes, but I voted for him because he was the better
:17:00. > :17:05.option. Now I have listened to him, I will be carrying on voting Labour.
:17:06. > :17:07.All in all, a positive verdict for Mr Corbyn's first speech in his
:17:08. > :17:10.second leadership term. Joining us is Phil Collins
:17:11. > :17:13.from the Times - a former speech writer for Tony Blair
:17:14. > :17:27.and Paul Mason, broadcaster Good evening. Is it sellable, what
:17:28. > :17:31.you heard today? No. One of the problems with the proposition Jeremy
:17:32. > :17:37.Corbyn put out, was that every single clip had Jeremy Corbyn in it.
:17:38. > :17:43.Leadership is a big problem. The speech itself was better than he'd
:17:44. > :17:47.done before, and lots in it was entirely unobjectionable. I don't
:17:48. > :17:52.mind that it's vague at this stage in the Parliament, as every leader
:17:53. > :17:58.is vague at this stage. But I wonder whether a speech that could have
:17:59. > :18:02.been delivered by Ed Miliband without Ed Balls' restraining
:18:03. > :18:08.influence, whether that is sellable now when it wasn't sellable a few
:18:09. > :18:14.years ago, I very much doubt it has changed. The salespeople will be
:18:15. > :18:22.650000 and rising Labour members. I think we realise in that
:18:23. > :18:27.conference... Those members are very energised and enthusiastic, and many
:18:28. > :18:31.have been waiting many years to hear a Labour leaders say that free
:18:32. > :18:37.market economics is over because it leads to inequality and unjust Wars,
:18:38. > :18:43.and we are going to stop it. Into that pub will walk a labour
:18:44. > :18:52.activist, and they will and a pint and hopefully people will come out
:18:53. > :18:55.and vote for Corbyn. Was Corbyn your first choice for leader? He was
:18:56. > :19:02.meant to go in 2018 and be replaced by somebody else more dynamic. It is
:19:03. > :19:08.not so much meant to, but before the coup, that part around Lisa Nandi
:19:09. > :19:15.and Owen Smith were discussing about how they position themselves if
:19:16. > :19:22.Corbyn does a succession thing. That is stymied by... In fact, I think
:19:23. > :19:29.history has been made. That will not happen now. Is it possible to put
:19:30. > :19:34.together a leftist populist agenda. He's an outsider saying that we will
:19:35. > :19:39.smash the system, as does Donald Trump. Can left-wing politicians
:19:40. > :19:44.pull that off in the way that Donald Comp is pulling that off with
:19:45. > :19:50.Americans? In this country, the answer seems to be no. There is no
:19:51. > :19:56.warrant in British political history that this is the case. I cannot
:19:57. > :20:03.imagine how the people of Bury North, who voted conservative only
:20:04. > :20:06.months ago, will all of a sudden... How a labour activist will go into
:20:07. > :20:12.the pub and make them change their minds. They are going to vote Tory
:20:13. > :20:17.because they will make up their own minds, and the notion that they will
:20:18. > :20:23.be enticed by a left-wing shopping list with no idea how he's going to
:20:24. > :20:27.do it, that credibility gap is something that Corbyn needs to
:20:28. > :20:34.address. How would you make it work? It's one thing you've got to go
:20:35. > :20:43.through, economic credibility, before that... That is conventional
:20:44. > :20:49.wisdom. He started talking about Bristol, Liverpool, Sadiq Khan. But
:20:50. > :20:55.I object to the idea that this is left-wing populism. No left-wing
:20:56. > :21:01.populist will have done what he did today, which was stand up and give
:21:02. > :21:05.that pro-migration, down the line... It is what Labour working class
:21:06. > :21:13.people do every day. They don't say, we understand your concerns over
:21:14. > :21:18.migration. They say, mate, you are wrong. It is not the migrant's
:21:19. > :21:25.fault, it is the boss' fault. Do you think that the argument over
:21:26. > :21:31.economic profitability -- credibility, has that all gone now?
:21:32. > :21:36.In the US, half the population seems to think you don't have to worry
:21:37. > :21:44.about rational argument. In a year when the Bank of England printed 50
:21:45. > :21:49.billion extra, to spend yet another ten on corporate bonds, that is 60%
:21:50. > :21:54.of the 100 billion a year that Corbyn wants to borrow and leveraged
:21:55. > :21:59.in with this national investment bank. I think we can explain way he
:22:00. > :22:06.would get this money from. You think you can print it, don't you? My view
:22:07. > :22:11.is that any objective observer of the relationship between fiscal and
:22:12. > :22:17.monetary policy says, you do borrow what you can and you do print what
:22:18. > :22:22.you can through the Bank of England. They are not saying that in Bury
:22:23. > :22:26.North. The idea that this revolutionary zeal will come to
:22:27. > :22:32.Britain and overtake Basingstoke, it is just not going to happen. When we
:22:33. > :22:37.look back on this in a few years and we see that Jeremy Corbyn got the
:22:38. > :22:46.entirely predictable 23% of the country... You are predicting 23%?
:22:47. > :22:48.We will have you both back! Thank you very much.
:22:49. > :22:50.The huge and troubled inquiry into child sexual exploitation,
:22:51. > :22:54.The legal counsel to the inquiry, Ben Emmerson has been suspended.
:22:55. > :22:58.But it seems the inquiry was concerned with aspects
:22:59. > :23:01.There have already been three changes of chair,
:23:02. > :23:15.What do we know about the relationship between Ben Emmerson
:23:16. > :23:23.and everyone else involved. Ben Emmerson is the most senior person
:23:24. > :23:29.on the enquiry. He has taken an active role in talking to a number
:23:30. > :23:33.of survivors groups in gaining their confidence and participation in the
:23:34. > :23:38.enquiry. There have been previous reports of friction. The Times
:23:39. > :23:43.reported today he was actively considering his position, poised to
:23:44. > :23:49.resign, we were told. We heard there was differences in opinion between
:23:50. > :23:55.him and the enquiry's latest chair, Alexis J. She wants to keep the
:23:56. > :23:59.enquiry as it is. We were told Ben Emmerson is in favour of
:24:00. > :24:05.restructuring it to make it a bit smaller. We were told there were
:24:06. > :24:10.differences in opinion. At about 8:30pm today, the news came that Ben
:24:11. > :24:16.Emmerson had been suspended by the enquiry. They said, the enquiry had
:24:17. > :24:20.recently become very concerned about aspects of Ben Emmerson's leadership
:24:21. > :24:25.and he has been suspended. They added that if he does have concerns
:24:26. > :24:31.about the structure of the enquiry, he hadn't conveyed them. This is an
:24:32. > :24:38.enormous blow for the enquiry. The enquiry looks a bit jinxed. It keeps
:24:39. > :24:46.losing people. It is on its fourth chair in two years. The latest one
:24:47. > :24:49.is a social worker. Social workers... Survivors groups are
:24:50. > :24:55.threatening to pull out. It is an appalling mess. Ben Emmerson said
:24:56. > :24:56.tonight he would respond when he has had a chance to look at the
:24:57. > :25:00.allegations. Since the referendum,
:25:01. > :25:02.a lot of things have been said As the margin was so close,
:25:03. > :25:07.any of a huge number of groups or factors can reasonably be said
:25:08. > :25:09.to be decisive. But one proposition that has
:25:10. > :25:11.gained some currency is that it was northern,
:25:12. > :25:13.English working class votes Particularly, the folks who may feel
:25:14. > :25:17.they have lost jobs or industries or identity,
:25:18. > :25:19.and who wanted to be heard. Well, the Oxford academic,
:25:20. > :25:22.Danny Dorling, a social geographer, thinks that
:25:23. > :25:24.account has been overdone. He's a remainer, and he made this
:25:25. > :25:27.short film for us to explain why it was as much the middle classes
:25:28. > :25:39.who voted us out, as anyone. Tewkesbury is at the heart
:25:40. > :25:41.of leafy Southern educated And in so many ways,
:25:42. > :25:48.it is normally towns like this that hold the key to why Britain voted
:25:49. > :25:52.to leave the EU. In almost all of England,
:25:53. > :26:01.there was a narrow What people do not know is that 59%
:26:02. > :26:07.of all Leave voters Of those, 34% of all Leave voters
:26:08. > :26:15.were social Class A and B, Only 17% of all Leave voters
:26:16. > :26:25.were skilled manual workers. The vote to leave Europe was largely
:26:26. > :26:35.a middle-class English vote. Professionals were the only social
:26:36. > :26:38.class group to vote the majority 57% across the UK but they
:26:39. > :26:46.were such a large group of voters and turnout among them
:26:47. > :26:48.was so high that they also constituted the largest
:26:49. > :26:50.block of Leave voters. The Brexit vote has been
:26:51. > :26:55.unfairly blamed on the poor. Geographers divide the UK North
:26:56. > :26:58.and South, with a line that runs all the way from the Wash
:26:59. > :27:03.right down to the Severn. Below that line, lay 52%
:27:04. > :27:10.of all Leave voters. There are few places in the South
:27:11. > :27:16.such as London and Oxford and Cheltenham, where house prices
:27:17. > :27:18.are high and rents are high and you have to be doing
:27:19. > :27:21.well to be able to live there and in those places,
:27:22. > :27:24.the majority voted to Remain. Across the rest of the South
:27:25. > :27:27.of England, a narrow majority of people voted to leave
:27:28. > :27:33.in almost every place. And it is not just the middle
:27:34. > :27:36.classes who voted for Brexit. A common myth has sprung up
:27:37. > :27:39.that it was the lower classes, especially northern English voters
:27:40. > :27:42.who swung the pendulum That it mattered this
:27:43. > :27:50.much is fantasy. There is a caricature of elderly
:27:51. > :27:53.voters, an affluent generation of pensioners, voting out
:27:54. > :27:57.the hopes of the young. But, in fact, since 2012,
:27:58. > :28:01.the life expectancy of elderly women It got worse in 2013 and in 2015
:28:02. > :28:09.we had one of the largest rises in mortality that we have had
:28:10. > :28:13.since the Second World War. If we wanted a health service funded
:28:14. > :28:21.at the levels they have in Germany, we would actually have to spend
:28:22. > :28:24.an extra billion pounds every week The old have not been doing well
:28:25. > :28:32.in the UK in recent years. It is hardly surprising
:28:33. > :28:37.then that older voters, more dependent on the health
:28:38. > :28:40.and care services, found the ?350 Economically, in the 1970s,
:28:41. > :28:51.the UK was one of the most equal large countries in Europe before it
:28:52. > :28:54.entered what is now the EU. Tewkesbury may look like a chocolate
:28:55. > :29:03.box setting, but like any English town of this size,
:29:04. > :29:07.it is socially divided. It has its rich enclaves
:29:08. > :29:11.and its poor enclaves. The UK is the most economically
:29:12. > :29:17.unequal country in Europe, so perhaps it is not surprising
:29:18. > :29:20.that it is the first country All is not well here,
:29:21. > :29:25.the best-off 10% of people Nowhere else in Europe do
:29:26. > :29:33.the best-off 10% take so much and half of that is taken
:29:34. > :29:38.by the best-off 1%. Middle England is not a happy place,
:29:39. > :29:42.it is not a healthy place. It has been pulled apart by more
:29:43. > :29:46.than three decades of growing inequality, when push became shove,
:29:47. > :29:51.a narrow majority across all of average England voted
:29:52. > :29:54.for the only apparent antiestablishment
:29:55. > :30:03.offer on the table. As does D'Maris Coffman
:30:04. > :30:23.a Senior Lecturer in Economics What did you think of what Danny was
:30:24. > :30:30.saying? I agree. We need to get away from the idea that the Northern
:30:31. > :30:34.working classes are to blame. It is necessary to unpick this vote and
:30:35. > :30:39.understand regional differences and ask whether it makes sense to
:30:40. > :30:43.ascribe this simply to the Sunderland vote and the shock of
:30:44. > :30:49.that and look for causes in the north. I am concerned about two
:30:50. > :30:54.things, one is it is not clear what middle-class means in England,
:30:55. > :31:00.everyone from a hairdresser to a hedge fund manager will say they are
:31:01. > :31:04.middle class. He is suggesting this is a question of winners and losers
:31:05. > :31:12.which is a way of reframing class and I wonder if that gets us as far
:31:13. > :31:22.as we might think. That is true. What is middle-class? I have put a B
:31:23. > :31:27.and C1 together, junior professionals. The key thing is that
:31:28. > :31:33.there is a large group of people and the turnout was high so it really
:31:34. > :31:41.did matter. Whatever the result was, there were more voters, but let us
:31:42. > :31:49.be clear, the polling evidence, a BC one, 50 7%, the others 62% lead. You
:31:50. > :31:58.can see why the world has captured this narrative -- Leave. Of those
:31:59. > :32:04.who voted, the middle classes very large, the turnout is very large and
:32:05. > :32:10.their key thing is if a few more of the middle class had voted Remain it
:32:11. > :32:14.would have been Remain. There was the lack of support in comfortable
:32:15. > :32:21.middle England for Remain and Baul was crucial. If you say that the is
:32:22. > :32:28.large, it is how well that plays with the equality argument. The idea
:32:29. > :32:31.that austerity is responsible for Brexit, it is worth understanding,
:32:32. > :32:41.it hit the ball hard in the south but in Scotland where life
:32:42. > :32:51.expectancy is the opposite, more people voted to Remain. They had a
:32:52. > :32:56.different enemy, it was London. Some people are not feeling like that,
:32:57. > :33:01.their children could not start a family and get a house. It is not
:33:02. > :33:09.the best way of slicing up the population. I do have a different
:33:10. > :33:12.explanation. I see it in terms of phrase and reactions to
:33:13. > :33:18.multiculturalism and reactions to modernity. I think what is revealing
:33:19. > :33:28.about the Ashcroft polls is that white Christians or 53% of them
:33:29. > :33:33.voted to leave, at 70% of Muslims, two thirds of Asians, 80% of blacks
:33:34. > :33:43.voted to remain, people who are not white English saw their futures in
:33:44. > :33:48.the EU. We see that very explicitly in the poll, people who consider
:33:49. > :33:52.themselves English, four at five wanted out. We have something
:33:53. > :33:59.similar to what is happening in the US, where you are seeing on the one
:34:00. > :34:09.hand, a resurgence of white nationalism. Is that class -based? I
:34:10. > :34:15.do not think it is. The irony in the US is that people tend to blame the
:34:16. > :34:22.Ku Klux Klan on the working classes but actually if you look at this
:34:23. > :34:25.sort of issues where the harder Brexit MPs are from, these are
:34:26. > :34:29.middle class people who have fantasies of an Anglo-Saxon pass,
:34:30. > :34:36.they see England as exceptional and different from Europe, they are
:34:37. > :34:41.subscribing to an idea that is just as exclusionary as the soccer
:34:42. > :34:47.hooligans. They are areas that have not done as well as London. They are
:34:48. > :34:51.being offered at continuation which does not look great. They are all
:34:52. > :34:58.voting for something which they are told will be better and they voted
:34:59. > :35:03.for the alternative which was not defined and it was a continuation of
:35:04. > :35:17.being the underdog, things being difficult, schools are not getting
:35:18. > :35:19.much better. In terms of inequality, I live in Lambeth, one of the most
:35:20. > :35:25.unequal bearers, 80% voted to Remain and in London, you may be better
:35:26. > :35:30.off. I am learning, you can cut it up in different ways, but there is
:35:31. > :35:35.nothing that explains all of it. What do you think of the way
:35:36. > :35:40.politicians are invoking their assumptions to say what sort of
:35:41. > :35:47.Brexit we should have? Is that making sense? We really still do not
:35:48. > :35:53.know. The interesting thing about this vote is how the money markets
:35:54. > :35:58.did not predicted nor the spread betting, we cannot be sure what the
:35:59. > :36:04.reason was for this and it is easy to say the public have said this or
:36:05. > :36:11.that, but there is no solid reason. What we can say, it is not a north
:36:12. > :36:15.and south divide, in large amounts, in the South of England, a lot of
:36:16. > :36:18.people voted to leave and they were crucial. Thank you both very much.
:36:19. > :36:22.Let's go back in time forty years, to a time when people wore corduroys
:36:23. > :36:24.and believed in peace, love and the Age of Aquarius.
:36:25. > :36:26.No, it's not more from the Labour Conference.
:36:27. > :36:29.I'm talking about the era of groovy, far-out Prog Rock, when mastodons
:36:30. > :36:32.of music like Pink Floyd, Emerson Lake and Palmer,
:36:33. > :36:37.and Jethro Tull stalked the earth - and sold buckets of records.
:36:38. > :36:39.The scene was often disparaged by the critics -
:36:40. > :36:42.and that went for the fancy cover art of the music, too.
:36:43. > :36:44.However, designers like Roger Dean, responsible for the artwork
:36:45. > :36:48.of classic Yes albums, have had the last laugh.
:36:49. > :36:52.His pieces sell for up to 5 million dollars.
:36:53. > :36:55.On the eve of an exhibition at the Trading Boundaries gallery
:36:56. > :36:57.in Sussex, Stephen Smith pulled on his loon pants and
:36:58. > :37:08.People will think of Roger's work first, I think, if you mentioned
:37:09. > :37:10.progressive rock artwork, they would go to Roger
:37:11. > :37:23.I thought nothing could be more exciting than being involved in
:37:24. > :37:26.designing the future, and that was a huge motivation
:37:27. > :37:32.What was amazing at that time is that the future
:37:33. > :37:43.At this gallery, and cafe, and furniture shop in the
:37:44. > :37:47.Ashdown Forest, we found the great draughtsman of the future, Roger
:37:48. > :37:55.As a young artist, he was offered the chance to do artwork
:37:56. > :37:56.for the rock leviathans Yes, or Led Zeppelin.
:37:57. > :38:04.Who would you say your influences are?
:38:05. > :38:09.I see a little bit of Salvador Dali maybe, here and there.
:38:10. > :38:14.I wouldn't really acknowledge any particular artist as an influence.
:38:15. > :38:17.I was from aged 12 to 14 in Hong Kong.
:38:18. > :38:20.Chinese watercolour, traditional Chinese watercolour landscape,
:38:21. > :38:49.Before there was video, rock music or at least prog rock was about art
:38:50. > :38:57.and the enigmatic geniuses who made it hid behind opaque artwork and a
:38:58. > :39:02.curtain of care. We were not the Beatles any more, we were all
:39:03. > :39:08.unknown, the band name often was not on the album sleeve. I am not quite
:39:09. > :39:13.sure how we got into that particular frame of mind were somehow the audio
:39:14. > :39:19.and visual and lyrical message was greater than the people but you can
:39:20. > :39:24.walk into a room of 200 people with Genesis after having done a concert
:39:25. > :39:28.with them and the members of the band could walk in and be unknown
:39:29. > :39:35.because people did not know what they looked like. It took me years
:39:36. > :39:40.to work out who Pink Floyd where! Hard to imagine kids, but this was
:39:41. > :39:43.also before e-mail and misunderstandings could arise
:39:44. > :39:49.between band and sleeve artist. The band were permanently argumentative
:39:50. > :39:57.and part of the reason why the band was called Fragile, was because they
:39:58. > :40:05.were going to fall apart. It was confused by Ian Howell and somehow
:40:06. > :40:10.it was the earth that was fragile. I have a bit of a bomb cell for you
:40:11. > :40:19.because Bill said that you misunderstood Fragile. I did
:40:20. > :40:28.actually. Yes, a whole bunch of their album titles were about the
:40:29. > :40:31.fragility of the band. Like prog rock itself, Roger Dean has never
:40:32. > :40:37.been a darling of the arts establishment that he would not have
:40:38. > :40:42.it any other way. I am not really part of what they do. I do not do
:40:43. > :40:48.what they do and one of the joys of working with musicians is that they
:40:49. > :40:55.celebrate and enjoy musicianship, the craft of the musician and the
:40:56. > :40:58.creativity of the musician and that is not really obvious in the art
:40:59. > :41:03.world and I would feel lost without that.
:41:04. > :41:09.But we learned this week that the Labour leader now
:41:10. > :41:14.has his own colouring book dedicated to him by the faithful.
:41:15. > :41:16.It's been on sale at the Momentum event just outside
:41:17. > :41:19.So with apologies to Andrew Lloyd Webber,
:41:20. > :41:21.we leave you with Jeremy and his amazing
:41:22. > :41:44.Anyone Who Had A Heart I closed my eyes, drew back the curtain. To see
:41:45. > :41:55.for certain, what I thought I knew. Far far away, someone was weeping.
:41:56. > :42:07.But the world was sleeping. Any dream Will do. I wore my coat. With
:42:08. > :42:22.golden lining. Bright colours shining. Wonderful and new. And in
:42:23. > :42:25.the East. The John was breaking. But the world was