:00:00. > :00:07.The Inquiry into Historic Child Abuse is beset by yet more problems.
:00:08. > :00:10.We reveal details about the breakdown of relations at the top.
:00:11. > :00:12.Tonight, the lead QC has announced his resignation,
:00:13. > :00:18.following the departure of his junior counsel.
:00:19. > :00:21.The killing of British student Meredith Kercher.
:00:22. > :00:24.A new documentary promises the definitive story of the case.
:00:25. > :00:26.We interview the former boyfriend of Amanda Knox -
:00:27. > :00:36.This interview is something that adds a point, how I fought to reach
:00:37. > :00:40.the people and tell them, hey, I'm one of you.
:00:41. > :00:46.I'm a normal guy who passed through a nightmare.
:00:47. > :00:56.And in the aftershocks of the Presidential Debate,
:00:57. > :01:02.TRUMP: She was a Miss Universe contestant and, ultimately,
:01:03. > :01:04.a winner who they had a tremendously difficult time with
:01:05. > :01:12.She gained a massive amount of weight and it was a real problem.
:01:13. > :01:14.So rows over body-shaming sexism and poll movements.
:01:15. > :01:27.There's plenty to chew over with our US election panel.
:01:28. > :01:33.There is a huge problem at the top of the child abuse inquiry again.
:01:34. > :01:38.The day after the lead QC Ben Emmerson was suspended -
:01:39. > :01:41.he claimed he only found out on the internet - today we learned
:01:42. > :01:43.that the junior counsel and human rights specialist
:01:44. > :01:46.Elizabeth Procheska resigned on the 15th of this month.
:01:47. > :01:48.And in the last few minutes, we have learned that Emmerson
:01:49. > :01:53.We can reveal details of these events which suggest that,
:01:54. > :01:56.no matter that Theresa May said today she was very confident
:01:57. > :01:58.in the leadership of the inquiry under its fourth head,
:01:59. > :02:01.Professor Alexis Jay, there has been
:02:02. > :02:18.When Westminster orders a major enquiry, they rarely run completely
:02:19. > :02:20.smoothly. They can take a very long time, often dealing with
:02:21. > :02:26.controversial issues, and they can cost a fortune, but few have run
:02:27. > :02:31.into as much trouble as the independent enquiry into child
:02:32. > :02:34.sexual abuse. Arriving for work this morning, the current chair,
:02:35. > :02:39.Professor Alexis Jay, the fourth that the enquiry has had in little
:02:40. > :02:43.over two years. In the last 45 minutes, the news that Ben Emmerson,
:02:44. > :02:47.the most senior lawyer on the enquiry, has resigned. In a
:02:48. > :03:19.statement, Professor Alexis Jay said:
:03:20. > :03:28.last night, Mr Emerson was suspended from the enquiry, prompted by
:03:29. > :03:33.concerns over his leadership of the enquiry counsel and this afternoon
:03:34. > :03:35.we learned that his deputy, Elizabeth Prochaska, and was in a
:03:36. > :03:42.fortnight ago. There were suggestions today that Mrs
:03:43. > :03:45.Prochaska's departure was entirely unrelated to last night's statement,
:03:46. > :03:51.but we understand that not to be the case. Sources have told us there
:03:52. > :03:54.were serious problems in the working relationship between Mrs Prochaska
:03:55. > :03:59.and Ben Emmerson. They were the two most senior lawyers on the enquiry
:04:00. > :04:02.into these problems prompted her sudden resignation and immediate
:04:03. > :04:08.departure. For Professor Alexis Jay, the added headache that the largest
:04:09. > :04:12.survivors group involved in the enquiry say they don't want her to
:04:13. > :04:15.directly oversee their hearings because of her background as a
:04:16. > :04:16.social worker. Today in enquiry statement insisted there was no
:04:17. > :04:42.crisis. Others are very concerned. The
:04:43. > :04:46.enquiry has issued a statement saying they are not in crisis but
:04:47. > :04:51.frankly it simply isn't credible to claim this is properly functioning
:04:52. > :04:55.when it is now on to its fourth chair, the lead counsel has been
:04:56. > :04:59.suspended and apparently learned of that on the Internet, the second
:05:00. > :05:04.most lawyer has resigned and it turns out resigned on the 15th of
:05:05. > :05:08.September. This is a dysfunctional enquiry and we need urgent
:05:09. > :05:13.reassurance by the chair that she is getting a grip on the situation.
:05:14. > :05:16.When is the lead counsel going to, well, when they'll will be an
:05:17. > :05:23.investigation into whatever he is supposed to have done? This is
:05:24. > :05:26.beyond a pick-up. In the last month and a half, we have lost our chair.
:05:27. > :05:35.We have now had the lead counsel suspended. This is not about hiccups
:05:36. > :05:40.issues we can resolve. This is about examining why is enquiry is failing
:05:41. > :05:43.us as survivors. Newsnight understands that Alexis Jay has
:05:44. > :05:49.completed a review of the enquiry and she is considering running parts
:05:50. > :05:55.of the 13 strands of the enquiry in parallel. Bitter experience has left
:05:56. > :05:58.many child abuse survivors hugely sceptical of official attempts to
:05:59. > :06:02.deliver justice. The enquiry was never likely to run completely
:06:03. > :06:03.smoothly but the events of the last two days have been something nobody
:06:04. > :06:05.expected. Earlier, before the news
:06:06. > :06:07.about Ben Emmerson's resignation broke, I spoke to Andi Lavery
:06:08. > :06:09.from the abuse survivors I began by asking him
:06:10. > :06:14.for his reaction to Newsnight's revelations about the breakdown
:06:15. > :06:16.in relations at the top There's been a breakdown
:06:17. > :06:22.in relations if you're a survivor of the inquiry or if you are a core
:06:23. > :06:25.participant, because we don't have any relationship
:06:26. > :06:27.with the inquiry either, but I find it astonishing,
:06:28. > :06:30.that this continues to happen. Tell me what your knowledge
:06:31. > :06:36.was of Ben Emmerson. I was introduced to Ben Emmerson
:06:37. > :06:39.by Theresa May back in one of the number of meetings I had
:06:40. > :06:43.with her and the Home Office, who seem to be running the inquiry,
:06:44. > :06:46.as well as the inquiry staff. Ben Emmerson from an early stage
:06:47. > :06:50.sought to reassure and step in, but it really started back
:06:51. > :06:53.in January of last year when the Home Affairs Committee
:06:54. > :06:57.released derogatory e-mails about a number of survivors
:06:58. > :07:02.and remarks by then enquiry staff. Mr Emmerson handled that and took it
:07:03. > :07:06.over and sought to reassure ourselves and many behind us
:07:07. > :07:09.to continue to engage So in fact since the beginning
:07:10. > :07:14.Ben Emmerson has been a constant throughout the different
:07:15. > :07:17.heads of the inquiry. Yes, and he's also showed
:07:18. > :07:20.the utmost courtesy, professionalism and integrity
:07:21. > :07:23.but not only that, his subject matter and his knowledge
:07:24. > :07:30.of the nuances in what we face has been, I wouldn't say it was so much
:07:31. > :07:35.breathtaking as really reassuring, and that's what we need,
:07:36. > :07:37.because all we've ever seen is crass Tonight they say about
:07:38. > :07:43.listening to us. It's absolutely galling,
:07:44. > :07:48.the language they use. It's all PR and releasing
:07:49. > :07:50.it to the media. What's changed since
:07:51. > :07:55.we were children? Even the knowledge of his
:07:56. > :07:57.suspension, what impact has that had an abuse survivors,
:07:58. > :08:01.because I know that you are involved in a number
:08:02. > :08:04.of different survivor groups? It's just like when we were kids
:08:05. > :08:07.and he's been naughty It feels like just what happened
:08:08. > :08:10.to us as children. Suspension - that's a school
:08:11. > :08:13.word, you know? The guy's adversarial
:08:14. > :08:24.and he's quite, you know, tough but, at the end of the day,
:08:25. > :08:27.you can't have a wallflower in charge of this and he should
:08:28. > :08:29.be in charge. You are clearly a supporter
:08:30. > :08:37.of Ben Emmerson, because he has been there from the beginning
:08:38. > :08:41.and he is deeply involved. Did you know Elizabeth
:08:42. > :08:44.Prochaska as well? I've only been to one preliminary
:08:45. > :08:49.hearing thus far, and I saw her at the preliminary hearing
:08:50. > :08:54.with the Catholic Church back in July and the whole
:08:55. > :08:58.atmosphere was a bit funny, but obviously that was seven days
:08:59. > :09:01.before Justice Goddard went. Ben Emmerson e-mailed me
:09:02. > :09:08.yesterday and he said, I'm worried about suicides
:09:09. > :09:18.and people losing heart. And it seems to be, whether it's
:09:19. > :09:22.towards the staff or the people taking part, brave survivors,
:09:23. > :09:25.there is no duty of care. Finally, if you had something to say
:09:26. > :09:33.to Theresa May tonight, Theresa May met myself and the other
:09:34. > :09:38.survivors from across the country We have a demos, we represent
:09:39. > :09:47.others, vulnerable adults not capable of articulating
:09:48. > :09:51.what happened to them as children. Less of the sound bites,
:09:52. > :09:56.meet with us, let's work this out. If they can do it in Australia,
:09:57. > :09:59.they can do it here. There are good staff in the inquiry,
:10:00. > :10:02.there are good ideas but there's a lot of rubbish and there's a lot
:10:03. > :10:05.of people after the money. We need to sort this out and we need
:10:06. > :10:09.to sort it out now and save lives, Thank you so much for
:10:10. > :10:13.joining us tonight. If the Prime Minister
:10:14. > :10:19.is still undecided as to the shape and terms of Brexit,
:10:20. > :10:22.and whether to announce in her party conference speech the date
:10:23. > :10:24.on which the UK will trigger Article 50 and start the whole thing,
:10:25. > :10:27.her International Trade Secretary is steaming ahead anyway
:10:28. > :10:30.with his vision. Brexit, according to Liam Fox,
:10:31. > :10:33.will be a deal which will make our trade with the European Union
:10:34. > :10:36.as least as free as it We'll be out of the single market
:10:37. > :10:40.and outside the customs union. And the key thing, he wants Britain
:10:41. > :10:44.to take a seat as an independent member of the World
:10:45. > :11:01.Trade Organisation. So is this an agreed policy or just
:11:02. > :11:04.Liam Fox shooting from the lip? This is pretty much what happened. It
:11:05. > :11:11.Liam Fox reading a speech today and setting out his vision of what
:11:12. > :11:15.Brexit will look like. We know that, when you leave the world trade
:11:16. > :11:19.organisation as part of this relationship with the EU, you take
:11:20. > :11:24.independent membership. That can mean staying in a single market.
:11:25. > :11:29.Norway do that. In this case, I don't think it will. In his speech,
:11:30. > :11:34.Liam Fox mentioned the WTO no fewer than eight times and he mentioned
:11:35. > :11:39.the single market just once. I think what we got was not exactly a
:11:40. > :11:43.barnstorming speech, Kirsty, but one with plenty of history lessons.
:11:44. > :11:48.There was a bit of Adam Smith, a bit of the corn laws and a bit about the
:11:49. > :11:51.value of free trade to the British economy and how he wanted us to be
:11:52. > :11:54.right at the forefront of that, to look beyond Europe and embrace trade
:11:55. > :11:56.with the rest of the world. I believe that the UK is in a prime
:11:57. > :11:59.position to become a world leader in free trade because of the brave
:12:00. > :12:02.and historic decision of the British people
:12:03. > :12:04.to leave the European Union. Those who believe that
:12:05. > :12:09.the referendum was a sign of Britain looking inwards have it
:12:10. > :12:13.completely 100% wrong. It is the beginning of Britain
:12:14. > :12:32.increasing its global engagement. But no specifics, no talk of
:12:33. > :12:37.manufacturing or servicing is or the financial service sector, the most
:12:38. > :12:41.viable part of the sector? Very few specifics. We had no dates, nothing
:12:42. > :12:45.about whether it would be hard or soft. Lots of people reading into
:12:46. > :12:50.this that it would be hard. Nothing at all about specific bits of the
:12:51. > :12:54.economy. There are two bits that we should look towards, and one is the
:12:55. > :13:00.automotive sector, which has been very loud in its lobbying and today,
:13:01. > :13:03.almost as doctor fox was speaking, the chief executive of Renault-
:13:04. > :13:08.Nissan, who make half a million cars a year in the UK, saying that he
:13:09. > :13:13.would be looking for compensation if tariffs were imposed on his car.
:13:14. > :13:17.Financial services is the other one, the biggest export. That is a sector
:13:18. > :13:22.where a lot of people I have spoken to recently say they are confused,
:13:23. > :13:26.they want some guidance, more than anything the City hates a lack of
:13:27. > :13:30.information. That's what they have at the moment. If they were
:13:31. > :13:33.expecting answers and clarity today, they didn't get it.
:13:34. > :13:35.Joining me now is Gerard Lyons, co-chair of Economists for Brexit
:13:36. > :13:40.and Rain Newton-Smith, Chief Economist from the CBI.
:13:41. > :13:50.Good evening to both of you. First of all, Gerard, how did you
:13:51. > :13:55.interpret Liam Fox's tone? I did was a good speech in the sense it was
:13:56. > :13:58.about global Britain. It's been important since the referendum
:13:59. > :14:02.result for the UK to convey to the rest of the world that we are
:14:03. > :14:06.thinking globally. It isn't just about a good relationship with the
:14:07. > :14:11.rest of the EU but about our ability to sell our goods and services
:14:12. > :14:16.international beef. It talked about the WTO. It was short and -- short
:14:17. > :14:21.on specifics but one part of the debate is about the need to have a
:14:22. > :14:26.global British story. Soon do you think this is setting out the
:14:27. > :14:31.ultimate position and negotiating backwards? I tend to call it a claim
:14:32. > :14:35.against a messy Brexit. Liam Fox was talking along the lines of a clean
:14:36. > :14:40.Brexit, that is having a clean break, having control of
:14:41. > :14:44.sovereignty, migration, he touched on that, but something we can fall
:14:45. > :14:50.back on, trading internationally, and then to do a bespoke deal with
:14:51. > :14:54.the EU. The CBI's position pre-referendum was to remain, so you
:14:55. > :15:00.are making the best of what you would see as a bad deal, but what if
:15:01. > :15:05.the deal? To pick up on a few things, I don't know a single sector
:15:06. > :15:10.of the UK economy, a single business that doesn't think that what this
:15:11. > :15:15.might mean for their business. So I think it's something that touches on
:15:16. > :15:18.all sectors. At this stage, sensible not to get wedded to any one
:15:19. > :15:23.particular model. But I think we need to see a bit more clarity about
:15:24. > :15:26.where we might end up and importantly what kind of
:15:27. > :15:33.transitional arrangements we might have. That matters for passport in,
:15:34. > :15:38.financial services and also... Not just about financial services but
:15:39. > :15:43.Nissan and everybody else. Exactly, and that is a misconception.
:15:44. > :15:49.Passport in matters... Explain how simple that is. If you are a
:15:50. > :15:54.financial service that operates in the UK, pas sporting allows you to
:15:55. > :15:59.operate in 27 other countries in the EU -- in the EU easily and without
:16:00. > :16:04.tariffs. That matters for banks and also car manufacturers. When we buy
:16:05. > :16:09.cars, we often lease them so we get financing alongside it.
:16:10. > :16:16.These different sectors have to make long-term decisions and it is
:16:17. > :16:21.impossible to do that, do you even have a short-term plan? We need to
:16:22. > :16:26.be pragmatic and realistic and uncertainty is the big issue and it
:16:27. > :16:31.is important at some stage to invoke Article 50 and not necessarily give
:16:32. > :16:36.away all our secrets in terms of negotiation... But we need a road
:16:37. > :16:39.map. There is a road map, to position the UK globally and to have
:16:40. > :16:44.a sensible future relationship with the EU, in terms of passporting, I
:16:45. > :16:48.have come from dinner in the city and the Chinese, it was about China
:16:49. > :16:51.and the UK but the issue of passporting was not seen as
:16:52. > :16:56.important but the issue of the city being innovative and developing
:16:57. > :17:04.products... But with other sectors and businesses, where passporting,
:17:05. > :17:06.depending on the model, is important and you must recognise is a
:17:07. > :17:08.Broadchurch not just in the financial sector and you mentioned
:17:09. > :17:11.the automobile sector. The actual tower that would be imposed on the
:17:12. > :17:19.UK outside of the EU, according to the House of Commons library, was
:17:20. > :17:23.2%-3%, the automobile sector is 10%, but Germany sells a phenomenal
:17:24. > :17:27.number of cars to the UK. As Liam Fox pointed out, if we were outside
:17:28. > :17:33.the EU we can cut all of our talents, which helps UK consumers so
:17:34. > :17:37.the competitive balance changes and this is dynamic, this process. One
:17:38. > :17:40.thing we must remember is we look through the course of economic
:17:41. > :17:45.history when people have gone for the big bang approach, it has never
:17:46. > :17:50.worked well for the wider society so wherever we end up we want to have,
:17:51. > :17:53.we want to have a clear partnership between government and business at
:17:54. > :17:57.every step of the way to really understand what the issues are. Are
:17:58. > :18:03.you having these conversations with senior figures? We are starting to
:18:04. > :18:08.but we need to see a step up in gear. You either former, your former
:18:09. > :18:15.adviser, Boris Johnson, you can see there are very many different ways
:18:16. > :18:17.to skin a cat. We are in an unfortunate position because the
:18:18. > :18:20.previous Prime Minister and Chancellor did not do any
:18:21. > :18:24.preparatory work but thankfully the Bank of England was prepared for all
:18:25. > :18:28.eventualities so there is a catch-up process and we need to have a proper
:18:29. > :18:32.discussion amongst not just business and government but different
:18:33. > :18:36.sectors. You explain, Liam Fox seemed to say it was a
:18:37. > :18:41.straightforward thing and at the moment we are as a block in the WTO.
:18:42. > :18:46.We will sadly be an independent member but there is something beyond
:18:47. > :18:51.that? The important message is if we have a clean Brexit, you control the
:18:52. > :18:55.situation, if it is messy, you must depend on 27 other countries. Philip
:18:56. > :19:01.Hammond said in May that there has to be access to the single market?
:19:02. > :19:06.We must recognise we are one of 28 in that negotiating room and I think
:19:07. > :19:10.the idea that we can just do things completely cleanly, this is going to
:19:11. > :19:15.be long-running, I like to think of this as a marathon and not a sprint,
:19:16. > :19:19.we need to have the best minds in the UK for business and from
:19:20. > :19:25.government working through what this means. There is nothing clear about
:19:26. > :19:33.years and years of negotiation. If you invoke Article 50 and decide...
:19:34. > :19:38.Do you want Theresa May, in her speech next week, to give the date
:19:39. > :19:42.for Article 50? As a human being? I am looking at this from an economic
:19:43. > :19:47.perspective and minimising uncertainty is important, at the
:19:48. > :19:51.same time, we need clarity. I would like to be announced next week but
:19:52. > :19:55.at the same time, invoking this in the first half of next year and all
:19:56. > :20:01.of Whitehall working to a deadline at the end of it to leave the EU so
:20:02. > :20:05.against that we always have... With elections in France and Germany? All
:20:06. > :20:09.of these things have to be combined but you can only control in life
:20:10. > :20:11.what you control and we must have clarity of position ourselves. Thank
:20:12. > :20:15.you both very much. The murder of British student
:20:16. > :20:18.Meredith Kercher in Perugia in 2007 became the subject of a media
:20:19. > :20:20.frenzy when her housemate Amanda Knox and her Italian
:20:21. > :20:22.boyfriend were accused The case dragged on,
:20:23. > :20:25.with convictions being appealed and then appealed again,
:20:26. > :20:27.before the pair were eventually A new documentary on Netflix now
:20:28. > :20:31.claims to tell the definitive story of the case,
:20:32. > :20:35.and Secunder Kermani has been to southern Italy to meet one
:20:36. > :20:37.of the key protagonists - Amanda Knox's ex-boyfriend,
:20:38. > :20:42.Raffaele Sollecito. When I was with Amanda,
:20:43. > :20:46.I was so happy. Raffaele Sollecito had only been
:20:47. > :20:49.going out with Amanda Knox for a few days when everything
:20:50. > :20:54.in their lives changed. Meredith Kercher, a British student
:20:55. > :20:57.living in Perugia with Amanda Knox, The media ran wild with claims that
:20:58. > :21:04.Knox had killed Kercher Knox and Sollecito spent nearly four
:21:05. > :21:10.years in jail before Despite that, many in the public
:21:11. > :21:20.still believe they were involved. And they are now the subjects
:21:21. > :21:24.of a new feature-length documentary. I really need to reveal my image
:21:25. > :21:31.before being revealed in my life. So even this interview is something
:21:32. > :21:36.that adds a point of how I fought to reach the people and tell them,
:21:37. > :21:40.hey, I'm one of you. I'm a normal guy who passed
:21:41. > :21:45.through a nightmare. Now I am different because of
:21:46. > :21:49.the nightmare I passed through. The other person who was in that
:21:50. > :21:54.nightmare was Meredith Kercher. And her family have said on a number
:21:55. > :21:57.of occasions that they are not happy with the amount of attention given
:21:58. > :22:01.to you and Amanda Knox. Don't you think it is a little
:22:02. > :22:04.insensitive to produce yet another People never understood
:22:05. > :22:11.the truth about this case. So the victim is Meredith Kercher
:22:12. > :22:17.but there are another two Sollecito and Knox were
:22:18. > :22:23.initially convicted largely It was later ruled to
:22:24. > :22:29.have been contaminated. But this kiss whilst police searched
:22:30. > :22:33.the house became a symbol of what the media described
:22:34. > :22:36.as their strange and suspicious They just repeated that kiss
:22:37. > :22:42.hundreds of times to make it look It was a kiss of comfort
:22:43. > :22:52.because she was telling me that she felt lost, she felt
:22:53. > :22:56.with her family on the other side of the world and she didn't know
:22:57. > :22:58.what to do. Your relationship with Amanda has
:22:59. > :23:02.kind of been characterised in the media as her sometimes
:23:03. > :23:05.as being this femme fatale, this very dominant character,
:23:06. > :23:09.and you being more quiet and just Even after a few days,
:23:10. > :23:30.I was very attached to her because I found her
:23:31. > :23:34.good, very good to me. It would be really stupid
:23:35. > :23:43.to think about that. You mean, to be loyal,
:23:44. > :23:46.to have some misplaced loyalty to someone just
:23:47. > :23:50.because you loved them? Another man, Rudy Guede,
:23:51. > :24:05.was convicted of the murder. But some still claim others
:24:06. > :24:08.were involved, too. Sollecito says legal fees
:24:09. > :24:11.cost his family over $1 million and they still owe
:24:12. > :24:14.hundreds of thousands. He is not ready to
:24:15. > :24:22.let go of the past. They want to forget it,
:24:23. > :24:24.the prosecution want to forget it, So I will bring it until the truth
:24:25. > :24:35.about what they did, What is your relationship
:24:36. > :24:39.with Amanda now? We don't talk too much
:24:40. > :24:48.because we are very distant and we are hearing about our lives,
:24:49. > :24:51.so there is nothing to say You had your entire life turned
:24:52. > :25:04.upside down by something that What, if anything, has that
:25:05. > :25:12.experience taught you? You only have power in your
:25:13. > :25:18.decisions, you can make decisions each time and each decision can
:25:19. > :25:22.bring you more powerful I don't think about
:25:23. > :25:36.my future in my life I just think about here,
:25:37. > :25:48.what I have to do next month. For me, whatever happens after next
:25:49. > :25:53.month, even the world can be destroyed, but I didn't think
:25:54. > :26:00.about next year or anything. Two days after the first
:26:01. > :26:02.Presidential Debate, Donald Trump has apparently decided
:26:03. > :26:06.not to wing the next one, but to prepare -
:26:07. > :26:09.and, taking a leaf out of Jeremy Corbyn's approach to PMQs,
:26:10. > :26:12.he is crowdsourcing ideas in his sparkily titled
:26:13. > :26:15.Second Debate Preparation Survey, which has gone out to
:26:16. > :26:18.millions of supporters. Hillary Clinton's performance
:26:19. > :26:21.earned her a 4% fillip but, with two debates to go,
:26:22. > :26:24.Trump has promised to go harder on her, perhaps
:26:25. > :26:26.with more personal invective. I'm joined from Florida
:26:27. > :26:30.by senior Trump adviser AJ Delgado and from New York
:26:31. > :26:48.by Business Insider's Josh Barro. Good evening to both of you. We will
:26:49. > :27:04.make America great again! We will fix it together! Good evening. Josh
:27:05. > :27:09.Barro, during the debate when they form Miss Universe's name came up,
:27:10. > :27:18.Donald Trump stumbled over that and there was an issue about that. What
:27:19. > :27:22.impact did that have? This was a trap that Hillary Clinton set for
:27:23. > :27:26.Donald Trump and was reporting in advance that among the things she
:27:27. > :27:31.was doing was consulting with a team of psychologists to find ways of
:27:32. > :27:36.needle Donald Trump and draw out self damaging reactions from him.
:27:37. > :27:39.One thing about Donald Trump is when you criticise him he cannot let go
:27:40. > :27:42.of the thing you criticised him for and he has to fight back, even if it
:27:43. > :27:47.means fighting over an issue he would probably be better off not
:27:48. > :27:51.fighting at all. This was Miss Universe 20 years ago, back when he
:27:52. > :27:54.owned the pageant and she put on some weight as Miss Universe and
:27:55. > :27:59.Donald Trump made a number of crude public comments about the weight
:28:00. > :28:03.gain, Collingwood things like Miss Piggy and Miss housekeeping and she
:28:04. > :28:07.brought -- brought television reporters to watch are working hard
:28:08. > :28:10.to lose the weight and the next morning, instead of talking about
:28:11. > :28:13.trade and making America great again, Donald Trump goes around on
:28:14. > :28:18.television talking about how unfair it was to criticise him over this
:28:19. > :28:21.and was terrible working with her when she was Miss Universe and it
:28:22. > :28:25.was a problem she put on so much weight, it is a dumb argument to
:28:26. > :28:28.have when running for president but Hillary Clinton knew that if she
:28:29. > :28:32.brought this up he would not be able to let it go. And here he is on Fox.
:28:33. > :28:34.Talking about this again. TRUMP: She was a Miss Universe
:28:35. > :28:37.contestant and, ultimately, a winner who they had a tremendously
:28:38. > :28:40.difficult time with She was the winner and she gained
:28:41. > :28:50.a massive amount of weight. And we had a real problem
:28:51. > :29:09.with her, so... You are one of the senior advisers,
:29:10. > :29:14.was that about a lack of preparedness to do with this and
:29:15. > :29:19.also an idea that actually would harm him if he repeated the idea
:29:20. > :29:25.that she had gained a lot of weight? I must push back with something that
:29:26. > :29:30.Josh said, he said Mr Trump had publicly made crude remarks calling
:29:31. > :29:36.her Miss Piggy and that is actually untrue, that is simply an allegation
:29:37. > :29:41.and she claims that Mr Trump used those remarks when referring to her
:29:42. > :29:46.in private. Megan Kelly of Fox News Astro this week, are there any
:29:47. > :29:51.witnesses that heard Mr Trump calling you Miss Piggy? And she put
:29:52. > :29:57.an answer, there are no witnesses, this is purely an allegation by a
:29:58. > :30:00.woman who has quite a questionable character, she apparently threatened
:30:01. > :30:03.to kill a federal judge in Venezuela according to a judge their and was
:30:04. > :30:10.accused of driving the getaway car... We cannot really deal with
:30:11. > :30:15.that. I watched the clip on American television and she did not say
:30:16. > :30:20.whether or not she was called Miss Piggy but what Megan Kelly asked was
:30:21. > :30:22.about the eating disorder that she had and the subsequent weight gain.
:30:23. > :30:25.You said, as a result of what he said to you,
:30:26. > :30:29.you developed an eating disorder, bulimia and anorexia.
:30:30. > :30:32.But you had said publicly at the time
:30:33. > :30:37.that you suffered from both of those eating disorders prior to the Miss
:30:38. > :30:43.No, no, never, never prior to the Miss
:30:44. > :30:48.I never had any problem before Miss Universe.
:30:49. > :31:10.Megan Kelly went on to show her the Washington Post in which she had
:31:11. > :31:19.talked about having a eating disorder before the contest. What
:31:20. > :31:23.about that strategy about, is there not a duty of care in the Clinton
:31:24. > :31:29.campaign about bouncing her into the middle of the campaign? She has been
:31:30. > :31:33.very willing to be out there and assertive and she has been talking
:31:34. > :31:38.before this debate. I don't think that she has been drawn into this
:31:39. > :31:43.unwillingly. Even AJ is getting drawn into the track of litigating
:31:44. > :31:47.this story. There is no tape of him calling her Miss picky but there is
:31:48. > :31:52.take of him saying things like, this is a person who really likes to eat.
:31:53. > :31:55.There is a long record of Donald Trump talking in a crude way about
:31:56. > :32:02.the physical appearance of women not just in the context of beauty
:32:03. > :32:06.pageants, including one of his opponents in the Republican primary.
:32:07. > :32:14.He said she had an ugly face. He said, look at that face. That was
:32:15. > :32:19.the grimace she had on her face. The fight we are having to have is, did
:32:20. > :32:25.because her eating disorder or did she already had it? We shouldn't be
:32:26. > :32:30.litigating this. That's what I'm saying. It all goes to Donald
:32:31. > :32:38.Trump's terrible character. UR advising Donald Trump. We know he
:32:39. > :32:42.will perhaps have different tactics for the next debate and he might go
:32:43. > :32:47.after Hillary Clinton ardour. Would you advise him to go after her
:32:48. > :32:53.personal issues, getting her to talk about Bill Clinton's infidelities
:32:54. > :33:00.and her supposed enabling of it? No, I do believe that we should focus on
:33:01. > :33:04.the records. I think that's what the public wants. Speaking about his
:33:05. > :33:08.record on women, this is somebody who elevated to top positions in his
:33:09. > :33:13.company women, both as chief lawyer and cheap contract at Trump towers.
:33:14. > :33:22.I would love to see them focus on his record on a number of issues,
:33:23. > :33:26.and leave out the personal matters. How should Hillary play this? Next
:33:27. > :33:31.one is a town hall. They don't know what is coming at them. She has to
:33:32. > :33:35.make sure she doesn't look too prepared. I don't think she looks
:33:36. > :33:41.too prepared in the first debate. I thought it went well for her to be
:33:42. > :33:45.prepared. The Callum Hall format is favourable to Hillary Clinton. She
:33:46. > :33:49.has experience of it. -- town hall format. The events where she does
:33:50. > :33:53.best are those where she interacts directly with voters and be seen
:33:54. > :33:56.listening to them. She started her political career with a listening
:33:57. > :34:04.tour of upstate New York which was mocked and sub -- until it worked.
:34:05. > :34:08.She had a perfect strategy in the first debate. It doesn't sound from
:34:09. > :34:12.press reports like Donald Trump has decided to prepare an effective way
:34:13. > :34:16.for this debate and I think he will come in angry about the way the
:34:17. > :34:21.first debate was received, likely to try and litigate the items from the
:34:22. > :34:24.first debate again and I think we will get my head over personal
:34:25. > :34:29.things. He congratulated himself for not bringing up your Clinton's
:34:30. > :34:33.marital infidelities, but when you say, look how great it was that I
:34:34. > :34:37.didn't talk about it and then did he said was true then you sent talking
:34:38. > :34:43.point out saying, how to discuss this, you don't get any credit for
:34:44. > :34:49.not bringing up. Those talking points that were leaked were not
:34:50. > :34:55.written by Mr Trump. It isn't him sending out talking points. They are
:34:56. > :35:03.from the campaign, right? So Mr Trump doesn't control his campaign?
:35:04. > :35:08.He isn't asking us personally to go after Hillary Clinton and her
:35:09. > :35:13.husband's infidelities, no. Come on! This idea that the actions of one's
:35:14. > :35:16.campaign staff doesn't count as actions under half of one. That is a
:35:17. > :35:17.new one. Thank you. Big Brother Is Watching
:35:18. > :35:19.You entered the lexicon after the publication
:35:20. > :35:21.of Nineteen Eighty-Four, for state surveillance,
:35:22. > :35:25.and it was about one-way traffic. But would it be more
:35:26. > :35:28.accurate to change that now We're all at it - cyclists,
:35:29. > :35:31.snooping parents, police officers. Here's our man in a headcam,
:35:32. > :35:45.our technology editor When CCTV made an willing reality
:35:46. > :35:50.stars of us all, the power was all in the hands of the people who owned
:35:51. > :35:55.the cameras. Shops, councils, government and the police.
:35:56. > :36:02.Technology created a panopticon for us all to live in, at least in
:36:03. > :36:04.public. But, as Jeremy Bentham, the design of the panopticon prison,
:36:05. > :36:12.where the inmates are in sight of God at all times, new, it isn't
:36:13. > :36:14.necessary for anybody to be watching to have an effect. -- insight of
:36:15. > :36:15.guards. In Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four,
:36:16. > :36:17.Big Brother controlled minds with the mere possibility
:36:18. > :36:18.of being watched. "You had to live - did live,
:36:19. > :36:22.from habit that became instinct - in the assumption that every sound
:36:23. > :36:24.you made was overheard, and, except in darkness,
:36:25. > :36:26.every movement scrutinised." As the French philosopher
:36:27. > :36:28.Michel Foucault noted... "Surveillance is permanent
:36:29. > :36:44.in its effects, even if it is However, the evidence of now decades
:36:45. > :36:50.worth of mass surveillance doesn't appear to back up this theory. We
:36:51. > :36:58.presumed some type of magic would happen. If you put magic -- cameras
:36:59. > :37:02.on posts that crime would disappear. It didn't happen and we have cameras
:37:03. > :37:07.everywhere that cost vast amounts of money and we don't see the necessary
:37:08. > :37:12.drop in crime. Two technologies, though, that ended the monopoly of
:37:13. > :37:16.surveillance. The first, the smartphone, putting the power to
:37:17. > :37:22.record reality in more or less every personal pocket. The other is social
:37:23. > :37:24.media, allowing that footage to go global, even without convincing
:37:25. > :37:36.traditional broadcasters it is worth airing. One academic has called this
:37:37. > :37:39.not surveillance, meaning from above, but sousveillance, from
:37:40. > :37:44.below. We have seen lots of bees from police shootings in the US,
:37:45. > :37:49.through to unjustifiably heavy-handed reactions from police.
:37:50. > :37:57.Without the footage, they would never have been believed. Just last
:37:58. > :38:05.week, a London driver recorded this. Get out of the car! He says it was a
:38:06. > :38:09.case of mistaken identity. The officer involved is now on
:38:10. > :38:14.restricted duties. Look what you are doing to my car. I bought a license
:38:15. > :38:18.and insurance. The police have responded with more surveillance,
:38:19. > :38:23.body cameras, recording incidents from their point of view. They have
:38:24. > :38:28.the added twist of a screen at the front so the person being filmed by
:38:29. > :38:33.the officer can see their own image, so now everyone's behaviour is being
:38:34. > :38:36.changed, the public filming the police and the police filming the
:38:37. > :38:43.public. According to a study published today, body cameras have
:38:44. > :38:46.reduced complaints against the police by 93%, but cameras also
:38:47. > :38:54.allow members of the public to become crime-fighters. Some people
:38:55. > :38:59.call me the equaliser. A vigilante cyclist doing what he says the
:39:00. > :39:07.police won't. I have called road rage is, mobile phone users... .Txt
:39:08. > :39:09.and drive when you have a kid in your car.
:39:10. > :39:11.It is the illusion that somehow we're doing something by merely
:39:12. > :39:14.recording and then hoping to post that on a social network
:39:15. > :39:19.A case of pursuing justice against an abuse by an authority,
:39:20. > :39:24.And the simple act of the recording is merely the first step.
:39:25. > :39:26.And again, what we need are the systems within
:39:27. > :39:30.We need the oversight systems to make sure that
:39:31. > :39:48.We are rapidly moving towards a world where everyone is recording
:39:49. > :39:50.everything all the time. Does it make for a more safe or even more
:39:51. > :39:54.polite society or if it just another source of stress and annoyance?
:39:55. > :39:56.That's almost it for tonight, but before we go...
:39:57. > :39:58.Election debates are usually fertile territory for budding
:39:59. > :40:02.and the Presidential Debates in the US this week were no exception.
:40:03. > :40:04.We leave you tonight with the brainchild of the YouTube
:40:05. > :40:09.Instantly forgettable, or a new dance craze for the nation?
:40:10. > :40:12.It's the Hillary Clinton Shimmy Song.
:40:13. > :40:18.# Shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, HRC.
:40:19. > :40:40.# Shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, HRC.
:40:41. > :40:42.# Shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, Hillary.
:40:43. > :40:44.# Shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, HRC.
:40:45. > :40:46.# Shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, Hillary.
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:40:49. > :40:49.# Shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, Hillary.
:40:50. > :40:52.# Shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, HRC.
:40:53. > :40:53.# Shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, Hillary.
:40:54. > :40:59.# Shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, shimmy.