:00:07. > :00:09.Leaving the EU was supposed to get us back the billions we send
:00:10. > :00:17.If we vote leave we can take back control of our borders and huge sums
:00:18. > :00:24.of money, ?10 billion a year net. We reveal how the government
:00:25. > :00:27.is considering continuing to pay billions to Europe for access
:00:28. > :00:30.to the single market I was getting beaten up for 72 hours
:00:31. > :00:35.on all the networks for Locker room talk, what ever
:00:36. > :00:39.you want to call it. Donald Trump's behaviour
:00:40. > :00:44.may outrage millions, but are some just as ready to ignore
:00:45. > :00:48.it for their dream of a better life? I don't think it can get any
:00:49. > :00:51.worse than it is now. I don't know if we'll ever see
:00:52. > :00:59.someone like this again. The plan to memorialise
:01:00. > :01:08.Oskar Schindler in the famous factory where he saved more
:01:09. > :01:10.than a thousand Jews So was Schindler more
:01:11. > :01:14.a crook, and a Nazi Spy I'll be asking an historian
:01:15. > :01:28.how we should view him. The clamour at Westminster for MPs
:01:29. > :01:33.to have a vote on its Brexit strategy before triggering
:01:34. > :01:35.the formal process for leaving the EU will reach the floor
:01:36. > :01:38.of the House tomorrow in a Labour led debate, but what will that
:01:39. > :01:46.strategy actually be? There is one aspect of Britain's
:01:47. > :01:48.relationship with Brussels on which she has been deafeningly
:01:49. > :01:51.silent - the billions we contribute Could that be because we won't be
:01:52. > :01:55.getting them back any time soon? Our political editor
:01:56. > :02:08.Nick Watt has the story. Every week we send ?350 million to
:02:09. > :02:13.Brussels. Money that is wasted. Remember that talk about ?350
:02:14. > :02:18.million in the referendum campaign and how it would be coming back
:02:19. > :02:22.after we left the EU? I be noticed hardly anyone in government is
:02:23. > :02:29.talking about that now -- have you noticed hardly anyone. To everyone
:02:30. > :02:35.here this morning, and the millions beyond... When Theresa May laid out
:02:36. > :02:39.her red lines Brexit she spoke about sovereignty and immigration but
:02:40. > :02:47.pointedly said nothing about getting her money back. Newsnight has
:02:48. > :02:51.learned that senior Whitehall officials believe the UK may have to
:02:52. > :02:56.make generous contributions to the EU even after Brexit as a way of
:02:57. > :03:00.securing preferential trading terms. One member of the Cabinet has told
:03:01. > :03:05.Newsnight that the UK is likely to have to pay quite a lot to secure
:03:06. > :03:12.access to the single market and an insider has described this as the
:03:13. > :03:21.dog that has embarked. First they will have to contend with vote Leave
:03:22. > :03:24.campaigners. It was part of the holy trinity of the Brexit campaign, you
:03:25. > :03:29.can't have one without the other, that this what we campaign for and
:03:30. > :03:32.that is why the British people voted Leave, we have the bargaining chips
:03:33. > :03:37.and there is no need for Theresa May to capitulate, and if she does she
:03:38. > :03:40.might find herself out of a job because that is not the Brexit that
:03:41. > :03:44.the British people voted for and that is not what even her own
:03:45. > :03:50.backbenches and some of Cabinet team voted for. Some members of the
:03:51. > :03:54.Brexit secretary David Davis's camp have said the UK should no longer
:03:55. > :03:58.make payments to the EU but Newsnight understands that officials
:03:59. > :04:03.are wondering whether the UK may end up paying into a fund to help
:04:04. > :04:06.develop new EU member states in Eastern Europe, Poland but like to
:04:07. > :04:13.preserve the bite of its citizens to work in the UK, may decide it has
:04:14. > :04:20.more to gain from financial support -- Poland would like to preserve the
:04:21. > :04:25.right. I imagine we will have to pay something close to what Norway pays.
:04:26. > :04:30.Charles Grant is convinced that Theresa May is keeping her options
:04:31. > :04:34.open. The fact that Theresa May has singled out the fact we will not
:04:35. > :04:38.accept the European Court of justice rulings and that we will restrict
:04:39. > :04:42.immigration but has said nothing about budget contributions makes me
:04:43. > :04:47.think she might be prepared to make such contributions, to a development
:04:48. > :04:59.fund for Eastern Europe that will be a quasi-EU budget. Some were Finn
:05:00. > :05:03.campaigners are -- some Leave campaigners are sanguine about this.
:05:04. > :05:08.It might be the case that we have to contribute to stabilise their budget
:05:09. > :05:12.for maybe 3-5 years but the point is, at the end of that we can say
:05:13. > :05:17.no, we don't want to put a penny more into your kitty and we don't
:05:18. > :05:22.want to contribute your budget and that choice will be with us. The
:05:23. > :05:25.chairman of the House of Commons Treasury select MIDI says Britain
:05:26. > :05:35.might need to make a payment in perpetuity. -- -- we want to fall
:05:36. > :05:41.back immediately on WTO rules, that would risk an economic shock and an
:05:42. > :05:47.economic downturn given the high degree of trading at the moment
:05:48. > :05:51.between Britain and the EU. It was mixed signals for the Prime Minister
:05:52. > :05:54.this week as she met fellow EU leaders, but back home one of the
:05:55. > :06:01.leading lights of the Bo Diddley camp said they would be comfortable
:06:02. > :06:03.with the UK making half of its current contributions -- leading
:06:04. > :06:10.lights of the vote Leave camp. Nick Watt reporting -
:06:11. > :06:13.the government has told us they're not providing a running commentary
:06:14. > :06:15.on their negotiating position, but we have been very clear that
:06:16. > :06:18.all decisions about taxpayers' money Joining us is John Redwood MP -
:06:19. > :06:29.a leading Brexit campaigner. All this talk about what Brexit was
:06:30. > :06:35.actually four, what do you think it is for? It is very clear, we voted
:06:36. > :06:38.to leave, that is what it said on the ballot paper and be consistent
:06:39. > :06:43.slogan of the campaign was to take back control and when we were asked
:06:44. > :06:49.for more detail we always itemised borders and money and laws. It was
:06:50. > :06:56.very clear what we were voting for. Money was very clear. It was a
:06:57. > :07:02.matter of contention how much it actually was. This question ?350
:07:03. > :07:08.million a week, it was brandished on buses and spoken about, but it is
:07:09. > :07:10.not being spoken about now. Quite rightly the Prime Minister is not
:07:11. > :07:15.going to give you a running commentary. It is silly of the BBC
:07:16. > :07:20.to run these stories. She mentioned immigration. We have not sent the
:07:21. > :07:23.letter and there are no negotiations on anything because we have not even
:07:24. > :07:29.notified them formerly we are leaving which she says she will do
:07:30. > :07:34.early in the New Year and you can't make up these stories because some
:07:35. > :07:43.official in Whitehall is not happy. They are not made up. I'm sure the
:07:44. > :07:46.officials exist, but they are not speaking for the government, and as
:07:47. > :07:49.you have reported the government is not going to provide a running
:07:50. > :07:53.commentary and there is no shred of evidence that the government wishes
:07:54. > :07:59.to give away this money. If we gave away the full net contribution. ?10
:08:00. > :08:02.billion. That would be twice as much as the amount we have to pay in
:08:03. > :08:08.tariffs, so that would be a very stupid deal. She said in her speech
:08:09. > :08:13.about sovereignty and immigration, but she did not talk about the money
:08:14. > :08:21.at all. Money is part of sovereignty. What do you think of
:08:22. > :08:23.the idea of a contribution? You are not sovereign if you have to keep
:08:24. > :08:27.paying money away to a foreign power. It depends how you are
:08:28. > :08:31.paying, if you are paying to a different fund. Not necessarily
:08:32. > :08:37.money that is going into a EU budget. It is a stupid level of
:08:38. > :08:43.detail which is not on the government's agenda and not part of
:08:44. > :08:48.any formal discussions. If there is a situation where we dealt with free
:08:49. > :08:55.movement of people and where we had access to the single market. Where
:08:56. > :09:03.we have control of it? Yes. We will have access to the single market,
:09:04. > :09:05.America and China have access to the single market, but they don't have
:09:06. > :09:14.any special deals with the European Union. You don't understand what the
:09:15. > :09:21.issue is. At the moment, the question of financial service, of
:09:22. > :09:28.huge importance, there has to be a dear? There are various ways this
:09:29. > :09:33.can be done, the United States has lots of good access to the European
:09:34. > :09:36.market. Do you realise there are many more passports on the continent
:09:37. > :09:42.into London because we have the biggest market than passports out of
:09:43. > :09:46.London onto the continent? Why do these continentals want to lose
:09:47. > :09:49.their passports? The ones I speak to want to keep their passports and we
:09:50. > :09:54.will say to them they can keep their passports and we will have our own.
:09:55. > :10:00.It has to be a negotiation. It doesn't have to be. You think we
:10:01. > :10:04.should send a letter in get out, I know that. And offer them very
:10:05. > :10:09.generously to carry on trading as we are at the moment, they have a
:10:10. > :10:12.massive surplus with us and that suits us well, and when they reflect
:10:13. > :10:18.on it, the member states will say this is what they want. Is Angela
:10:19. > :10:23.Merkel going to say I'm recommending a 10% tariff on German cars? She
:10:24. > :10:26.will not say that. Francois Hollande, is it going to say to
:10:27. > :10:33.French agriculture, I recommend you pay a high tariff into Britain when
:10:34. > :10:39.you sell cheese and wine? No way. If there is a negotiation and it comes
:10:40. > :10:43.down to a contribution, a financial contribution into a development of
:10:44. > :10:50.East European countries. You pay them money to buy their imports,
:10:51. > :10:54.absurd. There are officials who have a different view, apparently. I
:10:55. > :10:59.don't think you will find the Brexit ministers have a different view, to
:11:00. > :11:08.the extent they are allowed to have one. If David Davis, Boris Johnson,
:11:09. > :11:14.Liam Fox, the Brexit is committed they failed to get a deal without
:11:15. > :11:23.financial contributions from Britain into a EU fund, should they resign?
:11:24. > :11:28.-- the Brexiteers. This is a set of silly questions. We haven't even
:11:29. > :11:32.sent the letter and I've made it very clear that there is need to pay
:11:33. > :11:34.money into the EU budget because they want to sell us their goods.
:11:35. > :11:41.John Redwood, thanks for joining us. "The shackles are off", Donald Trump
:11:42. > :11:43.announced today on twitter after House Speaker Paul Ryan became
:11:44. > :11:46.the latest senior Republican to back away from the candidate,
:11:47. > :11:49.following the publication of a video showing Trump bragging
:11:50. > :11:50.about groping women. He went on to say that "disloyal"
:11:51. > :11:52.Republicans are more of an impediment to victory
:11:53. > :11:55.than as he called her "crooked Then he went into Twitter over drive
:11:56. > :12:01.throwing insults at John McCain Many in both parties,
:12:02. > :12:04.Republican and Democrat have been wondering aloud how
:12:05. > :12:06.it is that the election race, What's going on that so many
:12:07. > :12:12.will vote for a candidate who stands Gabriel Gatehouse has been
:12:13. > :12:16.to the town of Youngstown, Ohio, Trace the arc of American
:12:17. > :12:29.history and it runs In the golden age of postwar
:12:30. > :12:36.America politicians came to Youngstown with the promise
:12:37. > :12:45.of an ever brighter future. As the country thrived,
:12:46. > :12:47.so did this city. In Youngstown today there
:12:48. > :12:49.is a feeling that America Donald Trump promises to make
:12:50. > :12:55.America great again. And beyond the bluster,
:12:56. > :13:02.the buffoonery, the offence of his campaign, that is a message
:13:03. > :13:04.that resonates deeply Youngstown was once
:13:05. > :13:23.at the heart of a thriving A place of opportunity
:13:24. > :13:38.and hard work. A place where each generation
:13:39. > :13:42.could expect to be a little more Somewhere along the way
:13:43. > :13:45.something went wrong. We need to, for lack of a better
:13:46. > :13:49.term, stop the bleeding here. We've lost enough and we
:13:50. > :13:52.can't stand any more. In Ohio, the average household
:13:53. > :13:55.is nearly $10,000 a year worse off than it was at
:13:56. > :13:58.the turn-of-the-century. Not a bigot, just a thoughtful
:13:59. > :14:06.American father of four who sees no future for his family
:14:07. > :14:10.in the status quo. You cannot have a new car
:14:11. > :14:13.and a new house and that's why, the idea that we would have it
:14:14. > :14:16.better than our parents, We've done a real good job
:14:17. > :14:28.of creating entry-level positions. You know, there is a new McDonald's
:14:29. > :14:31.open, you know, minimum wage, Plaza Doughnuts opened its doors
:14:32. > :14:39.on the 22nd of November 1963, the day John F.
:14:40. > :14:42.Kennedy was shot dead. In that America the Democratic party
:14:43. > :14:45.could rely on the blue-collar vote. What he stood for in 1963
:14:46. > :14:51.has nothing in common with the Democratic party
:14:52. > :14:52.of today. They have lost touch with us
:14:53. > :14:59.as the working class. They don't represent us,
:15:00. > :15:02.and the Republican side don't And now we have a man who is
:15:03. > :15:09.standing on the outside of that. Trump is effectively
:15:10. > :15:13.a third-party candidate. In our quest to understand this
:15:14. > :15:17.phenomenon we are going to be spending time with people who work
:15:18. > :15:20.two, even three jobs People look at Donald Trump
:15:21. > :15:25.and they say he is a clown, he's a buffoon, he's
:15:26. > :15:28.a bankrupt businessman. He took the risk
:15:29. > :15:33.and he created jobs. Obviously he knows much
:15:34. > :15:35.more about business He does not know as much
:15:36. > :15:46.about having a second This is true, this is true,
:15:47. > :15:50.he knows probably nothing The steel mills began
:15:51. > :15:59.to close in the late 1970s. Throughout the 80s and 90s
:16:00. > :16:02.and into the new century In 40 years the population
:16:03. > :16:18.of Youngstown has shrunk by half. Even in the suburbs, behind a facade
:16:19. > :16:21.of affluence, many middle-class families are barely clinging
:16:22. > :16:23.to a lifestyle they could once More than likely I am
:16:24. > :16:27.thinking our kids will If you walk around there are so many
:16:28. > :16:32.people looking for work When she lost her job
:16:33. > :16:39.as a technician in a medical centre, Carrie and her husband Anthony set
:16:40. > :16:42.up a real estate business. They went bankrupt and Youngstown
:16:43. > :16:51.took yet another hit. Why do you think Trump is the person
:16:52. > :16:54.who can sort that out? My version of that is
:16:55. > :16:58.he's not a politician. They've had control for so long,
:16:59. > :17:00.it's always been career politicians that run,
:17:01. > :17:02.there has never been anybody It's the same old, that is all
:17:03. > :17:06.you're going to get, He could shake it up to such
:17:07. > :17:10.an extent that it could fall apart. No, because I don't think it can get
:17:11. > :17:15.any worse than it is now. It's never going to get better
:17:16. > :17:18.and this is like our one chance I don't know if we'll ever see
:17:19. > :17:22.somebody like this again. Some of the other things that
:17:23. > :17:24.people, that have made people feel uncomfortable,
:17:25. > :17:26.especially some of the remarks he has made about women,
:17:27. > :17:29.does that bother you? I think our media
:17:30. > :17:32.slaughters him all the time. I mean you turn it on and they just
:17:33. > :17:35.rip him apart constantly. And that makes me like him more,
:17:36. > :17:39.they are actually doing a bad job, if they want me to dislike him
:17:40. > :17:42.they are making me like him more because I look at the media not
:17:43. > :17:45.liking him, the Republicans who don't like him,
:17:46. > :17:47.the Democrats who don't, there are so many people,
:17:48. > :17:49.I've never seen so many people Do you have any more to say
:17:50. > :17:53.about those comments Trumps remarks about women may
:17:54. > :18:00.eventually prove to be his undoing. I don't even think she is loyal
:18:01. > :18:04.to Bill, you want to know the truth. Donald Trump has charged
:18:05. > :18:06.into Washington wielding And really, folks really,
:18:07. > :18:15.why should she be, right? Yet millions of Americans
:18:16. > :18:18.are still willing him on. He calls his opponent a traitor
:18:19. > :18:20.and a criminal. He wants to ban Muslims
:18:21. > :18:26.from entering the US. He's even refused to reject
:18:27. > :18:30.the support of the Ku Klux Klan. But he presents these
:18:31. > :18:32.remarks as an attack But if I get elected president
:18:33. > :18:50.I will bring it back. You won't find much
:18:51. > :18:52.support for Donald Trump His assault on the norms
:18:53. > :18:55.of political discourse feels dangerous, as if it
:18:56. > :19:01.could legitimise a racist backlash. They need to reel him
:19:02. > :19:03.in and check him. Ryan Gilchrist has run this barber
:19:04. > :19:07.shop for 20 years. Like most people in Youngstown
:19:08. > :19:10.he voted for Obama. But after eight years
:19:11. > :19:13.he says little has changed. I was glad to see that a black
:19:14. > :19:17.man achieved that. On those premises, and those
:19:18. > :19:20.premises only am I glad But, did he really help
:19:21. > :19:29.us in this community? I'm not going to say
:19:30. > :19:32.that he really did. Many will vote for Hillary but many
:19:33. > :19:36.won't vote at all. Somehow in this election it's Trump
:19:37. > :19:40.who's taken on the mantle for change and even here there are
:19:41. > :19:42.a few who think Trump Maybe it's a Hail Mary,
:19:43. > :19:49.what we call a Hail Mary, just throw the ball up and see
:19:50. > :19:52.who catches it. But it would be great
:19:53. > :19:55.to have a different view, even if it's just for four years,
:19:56. > :19:58.just for four years, just give this man an opportunity
:19:59. > :20:14.to see what he can do differently. There's a battle going on that's
:20:15. > :20:17.as much about what can be said As the gap between rich and poor has
:20:18. > :20:27.widened so too has the gulf between liberal and conservative
:20:28. > :20:34.America. And in that space the Trump
:20:35. > :20:36.candidacy is formenting There are still blue
:20:37. > :20:49.collar jobs in Ohio. This company makes parts
:20:50. > :20:53.for pressurised storage tanks. Chad, who we met
:20:54. > :20:58.earlier, works here. Among these men there
:20:59. > :21:02.is a feeling of alienation. A sense that they've lost control
:21:03. > :21:05.of America's cultural identity. I understand the gay thing
:21:06. > :21:09.and I can live with all that, but when we start supplying
:21:10. > :21:14.bathrooms and different types of rooms and all this other kind
:21:15. > :21:17.of stuff and titles, things for people that don't
:21:18. > :21:20.want to be considered a man or a woman I think
:21:21. > :21:22.we are going too far. It does feel, I don't know,
:21:23. > :21:39.maybe you don't feel it, You know, because you are a racist
:21:40. > :21:45.or a bigot or a homophobe, You're no longer allowed
:21:46. > :21:49.to have an opinion. And that's a key thing
:21:50. > :21:51.about Donald Trump isn't it, he says things that nobody
:21:52. > :21:53.else says, right? I don't always agree
:21:54. > :21:55.with everything that comes out of his mouth but,
:21:56. > :21:57.he says it. And we shouldn't be
:21:58. > :21:59.afraid to say it. You know, that shouldn't be
:22:00. > :22:01.a problem, here of all Whatever happens to Trump,
:22:02. > :22:04.the political parameters Many people see their country run
:22:05. > :22:17.by an elite whose allegiances, cultural and economic,
:22:18. > :22:19.lie not with them but with other You know, what do we produce
:22:20. > :22:24.that's being exported? And this in a way is the system
:22:25. > :22:27.that the whole globalised world is now based
:22:28. > :22:30.on and Trump is saying... Why do we care about
:22:31. > :22:43.the global system? Everything about Trump's campaign,
:22:44. > :22:46.from his crude rhetoric to his cut out the dead wood attitude,
:22:47. > :22:49.it all adds up to one This is America, where you can
:22:50. > :23:05.still have it all. The story of America today is not
:23:06. > :23:09.one of universal decline. In many parts this is
:23:10. > :23:12.still a country of vast But the middle-class is no
:23:13. > :23:17.longer growing. 20 miles south of Youngstown
:23:18. > :23:26.is the great Ohio River. It forms in Pennsylvania, flows west
:23:27. > :23:29.to the Mississippi and then south This artery which has transported
:23:30. > :23:36.pioneers and traders, weapons and steel, has been
:23:37. > :23:40.a witness to the building of America The Trump phenomenon transcends
:23:41. > :23:48.the traditional divisions It's an expression of a much more
:23:49. > :23:55.fundamental shift in This is about a breakdown in
:23:56. > :24:00.the relationship between the people America is a country
:24:01. > :24:29.where rituals matter. In Youngstown's relatively affluent
:24:30. > :24:31.suburbs the high school football These are people who have
:24:32. > :24:36.a track record of picking We've come here to catch up
:24:37. > :24:47.with Carrie, whose daughter is busy out there somewhere waving
:24:48. > :24:50.the flag for her team. For Carrie, her conservative values
:24:51. > :24:57.are best served by a man who threatens to bring
:24:58. > :25:01.down the establishment. People in Britain and in Europe
:25:02. > :25:04.and in other parts of the world are quite worried by some
:25:05. > :25:08.of the things Donald Trump says. To me I think it's time to put
:25:09. > :25:13.America first, I really, I feel like what's going on right
:25:14. > :25:18.now, it isn't working so why not try If it fails, we've failed under
:25:19. > :25:20.Obama. It's worth the risk
:25:21. > :25:22.is what you're saying? I think we have to try
:25:23. > :25:25.something different, America is contemplating
:25:26. > :25:40.a leap into the unknown. The normal rules appear
:25:41. > :25:49.to be suspended. Their standard bearer may be
:25:50. > :25:51.an offensive showman but millions still believe he's the one to make
:25:52. > :26:02.America great again. Gabriel Gatehouse reporting -
:26:03. > :26:04.joining me now from New York is Catherine Rampell
:26:05. > :26:15.who is an opinion columnist good evening Catherine. Before we
:26:16. > :26:20.talk about the Twitter storm tonight from Donald Trump can we talk about
:26:21. > :26:23.Youngstown, it was quite clear that these are people who have thought
:26:24. > :26:27.about this a lot and whatever flaws Donald Trump as they are willing to
:26:28. > :26:30.overlook them or they are irrelevant to them because they think they've
:26:31. > :26:36.got the last throw of the dice with him. Yes I think that's exactly
:26:37. > :26:42.right. They think that politics as usual is not helping them, that the
:26:43. > :26:46.politicians who are already in Washington, a contingent that is
:26:47. > :26:51.apparently in cahoots with Hillary Clinton, do not have their best
:26:52. > :26:54.interests at heart. Donald Trump represent something else. Maybe
:26:55. > :26:58.that'll be something bad, maybe it will be something good, he is like
:26:59. > :27:02.an experimental drug, you will try something different and maybe the
:27:03. > :27:06.side effects will be terrible but maybe there will be an upside. I
:27:07. > :27:11.think that's the psychology around a lot of the fervour supporting Donald
:27:12. > :27:15.Trump. After Paul Ryan the house speaker said he would no longer
:27:16. > :27:18.support Donald Trump Donald Trump said the shackles were off and a lot
:27:19. > :27:23.of people tweeted goodness me we did not know they were on in the first
:27:24. > :27:29.place. I wonder if in these last few weeks things will get not only dirty
:27:30. > :27:33.but also divisive within the Republicans? The Republican National
:27:34. > :27:36.committee has come out behind him but 40 senior Republican senators
:27:37. > :27:43.and Congress have come out against him. 30 of whom have actively said
:27:44. > :27:48.they would vote for him. Yes, the question is how many will join them.
:27:49. > :27:53.There were a number of politicians who came out against Donald Trump,
:27:54. > :27:57.Republicans from his own party, immediately after that table leaked.
:27:58. > :28:06.After the debate happened on Sunday night when Donald Trump did not come
:28:07. > :28:10.out and completely implode, that seemed to staunch the bleeding. If
:28:11. > :28:14.Republicans are not wholeheartedly endorsing him it does seem to have
:28:15. > :28:18.stopped the steady trickle away from his campaign. For several months
:28:19. > :28:22.now, arguably since he started over a year ago there has been an uneasy
:28:23. > :28:25.relationship between the Republican leadership in the United States and
:28:26. > :28:30.Donald Trump where they have not been wholly supportive of him but
:28:31. > :28:35.they are afraid of alienating his devoted followers, the Republican
:28:36. > :28:38.base. So going forward, they are having to balance whether they
:28:39. > :28:45.should openly condemn him, whether they should openly and endorse him,
:28:46. > :28:49.perhaps vote for his rival Hillary Clinton who is despised by the
:28:50. > :28:55.Republican base, whether they should do all those things and potentially
:28:56. > :28:59.risk turning they are more loyal followers against them because those
:29:00. > :29:04.followers are also devoted to Donald Trump. Yes, and this idea that he is
:29:05. > :29:08.emerging as a third-party candidate in a sense, an independent
:29:09. > :29:12.candidate, and when all the tawdry stuff comes and goes and goes round,
:29:13. > :29:15.fundamentally what people are looking for is an answer to their
:29:16. > :29:16.economic woes and they don't see that with any of the elites in
:29:17. > :29:27.Washington. They don't seem to, there is also a
:29:28. > :29:30.question about how much this is based on economics and economic
:29:31. > :29:32.stagnation and I feel for the Americans who feel their standards
:29:33. > :29:38.of living have not improved and in fact they might have deteriorated.
:29:39. > :29:46.There's another side to Donald Trump's appeal, the angry white,
:29:47. > :29:54.feeling disenfranchised voter but people who feel like there face in
:29:55. > :29:57.society, relative place, has been falling and there are minorities who
:29:58. > :30:02.are rising maybe at their expense, they see this as a 0-sum game, and
:30:03. > :30:05.there is a very large part of his rhetoric which is explicitly
:30:06. > :30:11.appealing to those feelings of racial resentment, ethnic
:30:12. > :30:14.resentment, so it is not entirely about economics, although that is
:30:15. > :30:18.clearly a part of the picture. Thanks for joining us.
:30:19. > :30:21.Now to a Grande Projet, that you might have noticed
:30:22. > :30:23.Newsnight has developed a fondness for discussing.
:30:24. > :30:26.Yes, it's London's Garden Bridge project.
:30:27. > :30:32.According to a report today by the National Audit Office
:30:33. > :30:34.government ministers have repeatedly handed over public money
:30:35. > :30:36.against official advice so that now the taxpayer stands to lose
:30:37. > :30:38.?20 million if the bridge project is cancelled.
:30:39. > :30:46.The idea is the Londoners to have a beautiful way to cross the river
:30:47. > :30:49.Thames on foot, but there has been opposition to this idea from the
:30:50. > :30:53.very beginning and some people say it is a vanity project, of Boris
:30:54. > :30:59.Johnson and the former Chancellor George Osborne, but as the costs
:31:00. > :31:04.have crept up it is currently ?185 million, and as revealed by
:31:05. > :31:08.Newsnight, the funding shortfall has grown, those concerns are being felt
:31:09. > :31:13.more widely. Today the National Audit Office has disclosed that at
:31:14. > :31:17.the outset officials in the Department for Transport thought
:31:18. > :31:21.there was a significant risk that the garden bridge would approve poor
:31:22. > :31:27.value for money for the taxpayer. -- proved. Despite that ministers
:31:28. > :31:36.ploughed ahead, agreeing to fund the project to the Chudinov ?13 million.
:31:37. > :31:39.-- to the tune ?30 million. The concerns about value for money,
:31:40. > :31:43.though, meant that the government initially placed a cap on how much
:31:44. > :31:48.could be spent before building work started. But we learned today that
:31:49. > :31:55.they increased it on three separate occasions. The Department for
:31:56. > :31:57.Transport's financial exposure of how much they would lose if the
:31:58. > :32:07.bridge failed increase Tom and original ?8.2 million to ?25 million
:32:08. > :32:11.-- increased from an original. It is slightly lower now because the
:32:12. > :32:18.Transport Secretary has reduced the amount of costs he is willing to
:32:19. > :32:26.cover. The big jump was too much for top officials, and having originally
:32:27. > :32:30.not encouraged the original cap, they have now sought ministerial
:32:31. > :32:35.direction and they have asked ministers to take responsibility for
:32:36. > :32:38.a decision they don't agree with. Philip Rutland wrote to the then
:32:39. > :32:59.Transport Secretary expressing his concerns.
:33:00. > :33:07.A civil servant asking for ministerial direction is not common,
:33:08. > :33:10.recent example was over the funding of the children's charity Kids
:33:11. > :33:15.Company, but despite concerns raised by his top officials, the then
:33:16. > :33:22.Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin agreed a further ?50
:33:23. > :33:25.million of taxpayers money to be put potentially on the line, because he
:33:26. > :33:28.thought failure to underwrite the garden bridge would increase the
:33:29. > :33:35.risk of it failing altogether and if that happened the 35mm pounds of
:33:36. > :33:40.public money already spent would be gone -- 35mm pounds. The one
:33:41. > :33:46.question remaining unanswered, why was it so important for this project
:33:47. > :33:49.to go ahead? We have officials at the Department for Transport saying
:33:50. > :33:53.this is high risk and poor value for money and they were repeatedly
:33:54. > :33:59.overruled by ministers. What we don't know is what it was given so
:34:00. > :34:03.much priority. We may not know the answer to that yet but today's
:34:04. > :34:08.report leaves little doubt about the difficulties facing the garden
:34:09. > :34:10.bridge. There remains a significant risk that the project will not go
:34:11. > :34:14.ahead. Schindler's Ark by Thomas Keneally,
:34:15. > :34:17.and the Speilberg film inspired by it, Schindler's List,
:34:18. > :34:19.brought to the world versions of the story of Oskar Schindler,
:34:20. > :34:28.a double dealing Nazi party industrialist whose actions saved
:34:29. > :34:30.more than 1,000 Jews. But plans to turn his now derelict
:34:31. > :34:32.textile plant, which was the only Nazi concentration
:34:33. > :34:34.camp on Czechoslovakia, and where he is reputed to have
:34:35. > :34:37.planned his act of heroism, into a museum to Schindler,
:34:38. > :34:39.have run into opposition. There are other versions
:34:40. > :34:41.of the Schindler story which are much more complex,
:34:42. > :34:43.and for some Czechs, the fact that their countryman
:34:44. > :34:46.was a Nazi spy is a reason not His name is synonymous throughout
:34:47. > :35:03.the world with heroism. Nazi businessman Oskar Schindler,
:35:04. > :35:07.played here by Liam Neeson in Stephen Spielberg's classic
:35:08. > :35:09.Schindler's List, was portrayed in the film as an almost
:35:10. > :35:10.saintly figure. But the real Oskar Schindler,
:35:11. > :35:13.it seems, might not have His factory which once saved
:35:14. > :35:18.the lives of more than a thousand Jews is now derelict,
:35:19. > :35:21.but plans to turn it into a museum have met opposition
:35:22. > :35:27.in what is now the Czech Republic. Schindler, who spied
:35:28. > :35:31.on Czechoslovakia for the Germans before World War II, is accused
:35:32. > :35:34.of being a national traitor. He is remembered by many
:35:35. > :35:36.as a drinker, a womaniser, One writer has even
:35:37. > :35:39.accused him of lying That Schindler was no
:35:40. > :35:46.saint is not disputed. But, say his defenders, a flawed
:35:47. > :35:52.character did not prevent him So, have we been hoodwinked
:35:53. > :35:58.by Hollywood into believing Or do the imperfections
:35:59. > :36:04.in his character only serve to make his story
:36:05. > :36:11.all the more remarkable? Dr Helen Fry is an historian
:36:12. > :36:23.and Honorary research fellow Do you understand why there is this
:36:24. > :36:29.conflict over the establishing of a museum to him? Yes, the difficulty
:36:30. > :36:33.is the character of Oskar Schindler, very complex, but he is also viewed
:36:34. > :36:39.as like a traitor because he was spying for Germany as a Czech
:36:40. > :36:45.national, which is now the Czech Republic, in the 30s. In the barn up
:36:46. > :36:52.to 1938, before Germany overran Czechoslovakia in 1939 -- run up.
:36:53. > :36:57.And he was also involved in the plans for the invasion of Poland?
:36:58. > :37:03.Absolutely, he was arrested by the cheque covenant, which was then
:37:04. > :37:10.check Slovakia -- the Czech government. The land was given over
:37:11. > :37:22.to Germany, he was released, which is remarkable, as part of the
:37:23. > :37:27.agreement. In 1993 he had his title of righteous Gentile and the Jews
:37:28. > :37:34.recognised his heroism, is that enough? In his lifetime, that is
:37:35. > :37:39.quite rare, because often it takes a long time to be back nice and it
:37:40. > :37:42.needs eyewitnesses, and that is the crucial thing and one of concern,
:37:43. > :37:52.with the passing of eyewitnesses, how stories and others like this are
:37:53. > :37:56.told. Interesting. Eyewitness stories are now being denied by some
:37:57. > :38:02.people. And yet you think eyewitness was the best form of testament?
:38:03. > :38:06.There is a worrying development in what was the former Eastern Bloc, in
:38:07. > :38:12.the Czech Republic, and I've also seen this in the concentration camp
:38:13. > :38:17.north of Berlin, which was behind the Iron Curtain at one point, this
:38:18. > :38:22.denial of Jewish suffering. In Sachsenhausen, for example, there
:38:23. > :38:28.was a denial that Jews actually died there, that had suffered there.
:38:29. > :38:33.Expressed quite openly? Yes, I was told to stop filming, and that was
:38:34. > :38:36.quite a shock and very disturbing. You do a double check about your
:38:37. > :38:43.faxes historian and you think, no, I've interviewed people who have
:38:44. > :38:49.survived and who have survived such an house, but this is mainly a
:38:50. > :39:00.tribute to Russian suffering -- Sachsenhausen. There has been an
:39:01. > :39:04.upswing in this kind of revisionism? More studies need to be carried out
:39:05. > :39:10.into whether this is part of a trend of a rising anti-Semitism or whether
:39:11. > :39:15.this is a anti-Jewish... It is not based on historical reality, that is
:39:16. > :39:18.the danger, and when you have a coming from the mouthpiece of
:39:19. > :39:24.politicians in the Czech Republic, that is very dangerous, because they
:39:25. > :39:27.are respected. The other way to put this is on the balance, and some
:39:28. > :39:31.people in the Czech Republic would say that it is no doubt he saved
:39:32. > :39:37.many Jews but he was also a traitor to their country and they do not
:39:38. > :39:41.want him lauded because he is such a traitor in the run up to the Second
:39:42. > :39:47.World War. It is a bit of balance. It is. The Guardian reported about
:39:48. > :39:52.one of the Czech Republic MPs who has come out and said there is
:39:53. > :39:57.evidence that Schindler said Jews, -- no evidence that Schindler saved
:39:58. > :40:03.Jews, that is a very concerning shift towards what is essentially an
:40:04. > :40:08.anti-Semitic Holocaust Miles Storey and we have got to be alert and
:40:09. > :40:15.guarded and we cannot assume that in every generation that these stories
:40:16. > :40:20.are safe -- denial story. You hope the museum will be built? I hope so,
:40:21. > :40:24.I hope there will be enough people east and west to come together to
:40:25. > :40:29.make it happen. Thanks for joining us. Britain has become a
:40:30. > :40:33.record-breaker. Guinness officials have confirmed that the new
:40:34. > :40:37.Queensferry Crossing is the world's largest freestanding balanced
:40:38. > :40:40.cantilever. For a short while at least until it connects at both
:40:41. > :41:53.ends, but for now we can enjoy this in all its world beating glory.
:41:54. > :42:00.A bit more cloud around and a bit more breeze, not as Chile to start
:42:01. > :42:06.tomorrow morning. Generally more cloud in the skies above, cloudy in
:42:07. > :42:07.eastern Scotland and North East